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Check it all out at 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,480 xendurance.com. Code Sidious for 25% off your 43 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,760 first order. What's up everyone? 44 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,920 You are listening to the CDs Mag podcast. 45 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,560 I'm your host Chris Chavez, and every week we go beyond the 46 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,240 results to bring you conversations with the biggest 47 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,640 names on the track, the roads and behind the scenes. 48 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,920 From world class athletes and coaches to innovators shaping 49 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:35,080 the sport. If it's happening on the track, 50 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,000 we're covering it with real insights that sharpen minds, 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,520 deep dives into the moments that define careers and the kind of 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,480 access to the pros you won't get anywhere else. 53 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,120 So let's get into it because we love track and field. 54 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,920 My guest for today's episode is Georgia Hunter Bell in March at 55 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:56,480 the World Indoor Championships in Toran, Poland. 56 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,680 Georgia won gold in the 1500 meters, completing A remarkable 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,440 arc from Olympic bronze in the 1500 meters in Paris in 2024 to 58 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,520 world outdoor silver in Tokyo in 2025. 59 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,000 And now world champion, she did it as part of one of the most 60 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,200 extraordinary 28 minute stretches in British athletics 61 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,280 history, with Keely Hodgkinson and Molly Codre becoming world 62 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,200 champions in the same session. Georgia only went fully 63 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,880 professional in April 2024. Before that, as we've unpacked 64 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,680 on this podcast, before she was working a corporate job. 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,960 And in the two years since, she has put together three world 66 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,320 championship podiums, run personal best across the 800 and 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,600 1500, and built one of the most unusual training models in elite 68 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,520 middle distance running history while still averaging about 30 69 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,400 miles a week, doing long bike rides instead of second runs, 70 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,360 and apparently finding a way to end every track session on the 71 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,800 ground. In this conversation, caught 72 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,920 from the middle of a training camp in South Africa, Georgia 73 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,920 walks us through the full arc of what it took to go from bronze 74 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,880 to silver to gold, the European indoor heartbreak in 2025 that 75 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,000 set up this year's success, which she learned from last 76 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,240 year's Tokyo World Championships, and what she felt 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,360 crossing the finish line as a world champion. 78 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,160 Finally, we also get into the upcoming outdoor season ahead 79 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,120 with Commonwealth Games and European Championships on home 80 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,920 soil, the 1500 European Record. I also stumble my way into an 81 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,760 awkward and wonderful question of whether she wants to be in 82 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,600 Keely's 800 world record race and her own sort of self belief 83 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,080 in what she could achieve in the event. 84 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,360 Plus, if you've listened to our This Week in track and field 85 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,320 episodes, we came up with the concept of a title pyramid. 86 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,480 Where do all of these, you know, great achievements stand, 87 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,600 whether it's Olympic gold, world championship gold, NCAA gold, 88 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:54,680 world indoor gold? Well, we finally asked Georgia 89 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,640 as to where this world indoor title sits in the athletics 90 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,640 title pyramid. So stay tuned for that and more. 91 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,120 Without further ado, please welcome Georgia Hunterbell. 92 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,280 All right, now, welcome back, Georgia Hunter Bell, world 93 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,200 champion. I guess this is the first time I 94 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,560 get to introduce you. Is that has that settled in at 95 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,080 this point? It's been a couple weeks now 96 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,520 since Poland. Yeah, I'm getting used to it. 97 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,080 I feel like I've only had a couple of times being introduced 98 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,360 as it so far. But yeah, it's very nice to hear 99 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,320 Champion, I will say. So I'm catching you while you're 100 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,720 at training camp in South Africa Week 3. 101 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,640 I think it is right. Or a hard week is what what you 102 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,680 dubbed it. Always, I mean, always a hard 103 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,560 week. This is our rebuild camp. 104 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,800 So like this is April camp's always a hard camp because we 105 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,640 kind of take a break after indoors and then this is where 106 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,880 we come back and rebuild and it sets us up for the whole year. 107 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,600 So yeah, we come to South Africa for three months of a year, 108 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,520 which is very welcome over the British winter when it's really 109 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,760 dark and cold. But yeah, the weather isn't so 110 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,640 hot. We were like at the track today 111 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,400 and it was pouring grain so. At this point, you must have 112 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,240 just sort of like your routine of like favorite coffee shops, 113 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,720 favorite like bike paths at this point, like are you pretty 114 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,880 settled in in in South Africa? Yeah, we, I love it here. 115 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,280 I love coming here. It's just a really, really 116 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:39,800 lovely town, really well set up for athletes. 117 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,560 I mean, there's so many European athletes, like the Dutch come 118 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,240 here, the Germans come here, obviously loads of Brits. 119 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,920 Our team is very well set up here. 120 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,800 Like Keely's got a place out here. 121 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,520 So yeah, we are. We are regulars. 122 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,120 All right. Well, so then take me through, I 123 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,040 guess like this whirlwind of travel that you've already kind 124 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,320 of like put together for. It's 20, you know where I think 125 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,360 in April at this point and I guess what the year starts in 126 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,400 South Africa. Then you had a short stay, 127 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,320 Germany, France, UK, Poland, Australia, back to South Africa. 128 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,920 Yeah. It's a It's pretty crazy. 129 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,720 It is crazy. It is crazy. 130 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,680 Like I had to pack when I was leaving London for wild towns in 131 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,600 Poland, then straight on to Australia, like one race, but 132 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,160 also quite a bit of fun and like downtime and then straight back 133 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,840 into camp out here. So it was a lot of planning. 134 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,680 And yeah, it is a lot of travel, but it's actually been really 135 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,160 fun because my husband has been able to come with me on this 136 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,120 little stent. So we're just kind of doing our 137 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,960 world tour together. We didn't get to take a 138 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,840 honeymoon. We got married a couple years 139 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,040 back because we just had a bunch of family stuff going on. 140 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,280 So it's not exactly how he pictured the honeymoon. 141 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,840 And I wouldn't quite say that's what it is, just going around 142 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,160 and running. But it is really nice to be able 143 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,120 to have him with me. What's in the carry on? 144 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,400 Because like as a athlete, like that's sort of, I guess right, 145 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,640 where the spikes have to be your race kit because you don't want 146 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,120 disaster to strike and then luggage gets lost and you're 147 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,000 screwed for the race. Yeah, exactly. 148 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,560 So you got to put spikes and race kit in the bag. 149 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,040 And then I feel like nutrition stuff as well, you know, like 150 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,320 stuff that you'll need for the race. 151 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,160 So I put bicarbon like electrolytes for long travel, 152 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,840 face masks, phone, like not everything else you can get, but 153 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,760 like the things that you're going to be stressing about the 154 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,480 race. Yeah, make sure you've got it in 155 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:40,960 the back. It's not worth the stress. 156 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,360 Take me through what was like as the most fun part of the 157 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,480 Australia experience that you just had. 158 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,880 Yeah, it was crazy. Like I've never been to 159 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,040 Australia, I've wanted to go for ages and we were actually going 160 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,520 to move there like 5 years ago for my corporate job. 161 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,400 They were going to transfer me to Sydney and, and I just 162 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,720 thought I would love it there. Like I really like the lifestyle 163 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,480 out there. It's very, very active, very 164 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,080 healthy. Like everyone, instead of going 165 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,000 to the pub on a Saturday night and going for drinks like you do 166 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,720 in London, it's like people meet up at 6:00 AM and they go for a 167 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,680 run or a surf or a cycle and then they go for breakfast and 168 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,080 it's just, yeah, it was just a really fun way of life. 169 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,600 I have family out there who have moved and friends, so it was 170 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,160 just fun to go and do the race in Melbourne, but then also 171 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,920 afterwards we went to Sydney and just hung out. 172 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,200 So it's like to live out there, they live a good life. 173 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,240 Do you have family everywhere in the world? 174 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,240 Because like, I think back to just sort of, you know, Paris, 175 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,040 the storyline of being born there, than any time you race in 176 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,280 the UK, they claim you just sort of hometown, you know, that's 177 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,720 where you belong. And so it just feels like you 178 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,360 always seem to find a home field advantage. 179 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,240 I wouldn't say I had the home field advantage for sure in 180 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,040 Melbourne. Yeah, yeah, definitely hometown 181 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,640 hero. But yeah, no, I have quite a big 182 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,840 family. So if you, if you have, it's 183 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,680 quite a common thing for Brits and Irish people to move out to 184 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:11,040 Australia. So yeah, I did have a couple out 185 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,200 there. But no, I am 100% British guys 186 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,560 always be competing for Britain despite all the connections 187 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:21,480 everywhere. In Australia, did you try 188 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,600 Vegemite? I guess I saw the photo you took 189 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,160 with Gout Gout, right? Yeah, how funny his agent was 190 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,360 giving them out and he was like, Georgia, I've got a present for 191 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,520 you. And I was like, this is way 192 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,160 better than any present that I would pick up, like souvenir 193 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,320 wise. So yeah, I, I love Marmite. 194 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,960 We have something in the UK called Marmite which is based on 195 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,360 the same thing. And it's a lovely hate it thing. 196 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,480 And I'm on the loving side, but I'm not going to crack that 197 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,680 open. I'm going to keep that. 198 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,000 I feel like it might be worth something one day. 199 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:51,840 Definitely. All right. 200 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,760 So let's get into talking a little bit more about just sort 201 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,600 of competition on the on the track at this point. 202 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,440 It's been what, 3 world championship podiums in 12 203 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,680 months since you decided to go all in on turning pro and full 204 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:09,560 time with professional running. I guess like how much of that 205 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:13,240 comes as a surprise and then at the same time like what would 206 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,360 have been sort of like the biggest lessons each time out? 207 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,960 Yeah, it's really weird because obviously I only went pro in 208 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,000 April when he was 24, so just hit two years. 209 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,920 But then I feel like I've been running my entire life. 210 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,600 Like is running is all I've known since I've been a kid. 211 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:36,880 So it's a weird mix of being new to the pro scene, but then 212 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,120 running. It just feels so familiar. 213 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,720 Being with Trevor and the team feel so familiar because he was 214 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,400 my original coach, so it's a really nice mix between the two. 215 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,240 I think you learn really quickly when you're a pro. 216 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:54,400 Like the first bronze me I did in Dortmund, I was just kind of 217 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,880 like in awe. I was like, Oh my God, they like 218 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,960 pay for your meals. Like they cover your meals. 219 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:01,960 They fly you out here. That's crazy. 220 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,440 And like someone picks you up and then like very quickly 221 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,160 you're like, oh, OK, this is just the process of how it 222 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,080 works. So yeah, just been really 223 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,760 enjoying the lifestyle. I'm not good. 224 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,680 I absolutely love it. I'm still my honeymoon phase at 225 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,160 that. It is hard. 226 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,000 Obviously the training is hard, but I do just really enjoy it 227 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,080 every single day. I think when we chatted after 228 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,160 the Paris medal and we did one of these podcasts, we were kind 229 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,400 of just like forward-looking and trying to think about what would 230 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,240 be different in 2025. And I think one of the things we 231 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,760 talked about was just sort of like the pressure that comes 232 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,600 with earning a medal and just sort of the attention on how 233 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,640 people look to you in the middle of races. 234 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,640 How do you think over the course of the 2025 season you dealt 235 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,000 with that and also just learn to handle it? 236 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:59,680 Yeah, it was interesting. So I just feel that 2024 is such 237 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:02,480 a whirlwind, like my life is changing almost like week by 238 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,240 week. And it was really exciting, I'm 239 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,800 positive. And it was just basically like a 240 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,600 fairy tale. And so it was quite weird going 241 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,920 into 2025 where it's like, OK, the fairy tales over this is 242 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,760 with normal life, which I do really enjoy, but it's just not 243 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,920 going to you're never going to have the same leaps in the same 244 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,040 way that I had at the beginning. Because yeah, now, now this is 245 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,480 just the day today I'm not making some huge life change. 246 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,480 It's just like trying to stay consistent is almost the hardest 247 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,600 thing. So I'm really proud of the of 248 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,640 backing up 2024 with Tokyo and then hopefully taking another 249 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,920 step this year. But I guess, yeah, the fairy 250 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:51,640 tale just becomes the reality. Tackling the 800, when did that 251 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,000 start to be just sort of like very intentional and serious in 252 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,560 2025 when it came to just going all in? 253 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:01,160 Because you kind of, you dabbled in both and you kept everyone 254 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,360 kind of on pins and needles up until just sort of making the 255 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,360 final decision to choose the 800. 256 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,800 But, you know, internally, I guess, and behind the scenes, 257 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,800 when did you know that that was going to be it? 258 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,160 Yeah. So I think like when we first 259 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,120 had our chat in 2024, I think either London Diamond League was 260 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,440 just about to happen or, yeah, I think it was just about to 261 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,440 happen. And you were like, oh, you're 262 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,640 having such a great season. And I was like, yeah, but I 263 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,560 think we're going to run very fast this weekend in London 264 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,360 Diamond League, and I ran 156 there. 265 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:35,560 I was really happy with that. And then in 2025 we started to 266 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,280 do a bit more speed work and I was just responding a lot better 267 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,800 to that speed work. And so that's when we started to 268 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:48,080 think about, OK, you are going to maybe do some more 800 races. 269 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,920 And then that combined on the scene with, you know, who else 270 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,880 is running. Obviously Keeley's my teammate. 271 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,800 She wasn't running at that point. 272 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,880 So Jen and travel kind of like this is actually a really good 273 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,680 opportunity to go to Diamond Leagues and see what you can do. 274 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,480 And so it was just, I think it was the Samuraitz camp, training 275 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,120 camp where we really started to consider it as a real 276 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,160 possibility. So that was like May 2025. 277 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,040 Yeah. Because she is your teammate 278 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,480 best friend, it seems like, and you're super close. 279 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,280 But, like, how much did you feel like you could pick Keely's 280 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,440 brain without just sort of, you know, her spilling all the 281 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,320 secrets when it came to being so good at the 800? 282 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,480 Yeah, it's all like, I think it really helps with me and Keely 283 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,200 that we've run the 800 completely differently. 284 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,040 So like how she runs an 800 is literally my worst nightmare. 285 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,200 And then same for her how I would run an 800. 286 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,000 So like going to the front, being P1 and staying there, her 287 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,240 strategy, that would be a horrible, horrible strategy for 288 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,120 me. And equally for her like kind of 289 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,320 hanging back and coming through like that would really stress 290 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,200 her out to run it like that. Like she wants to be in control 291 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,560 of the race. So I think that does really help 292 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,520 because yes, they're going into Tokyo. 293 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,520 It's like we both know exactly what each other is going to do 294 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,640 and we have different strategies and it's like, let's just see 295 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,160 what happens. And then in the run up, I think 296 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,640 the main thing through 2025 was like she was disgusted about 297 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,000 being injured. So it was just the main thing is 298 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,520 like being she just wanted to be back and wanted to be healthy. 299 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,240 And every week it was great to see her coming back and being 300 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,000 healthy. Like we've all been there when 301 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,960 you've had the really bad injuries and it just is really 302 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,360 tough to see when someone's going through that, especially 303 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,200 when they're in when they're in really good shape. 304 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,080 So I think in terms of like the secret sauce, like we are doing 305 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,680 the same training, like we can see what each other is doing. 306 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,760 So there's nothing there. But yeah, I think it was just 307 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,880 trying to get her healthy again, really. 308 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,000 What did you find yourself being most curious about when it came 309 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,680 to the 800 questions that you would ask Jenny or Trevor 310 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,520 throughout the training of like what it took to, you know, get 311 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,840 to, you know, podium level essentially? 312 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,640 I feel like I'm quite studious or maybe nerdy when it comes to 313 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,920 running. Like I am interested in as a 314 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,319 sport, I am very interested. Not so much on like the 315 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,880 Physiology side, like Trev takes care of all that stuff in terms 316 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,680 of training, but racing, I find that really interesting. 317 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,040 So I watch a lot of film of races. 318 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,880 Like any time I go to a championships I will go back and 319 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,680 get my hands on anything I can for watching the rounds. 320 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,360 Like I really find rounds very interesting, watching where 321 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:32,400 people have made mistakes, watching where people make good 322 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,120 moves and not necessarily trying to replicate it, but also just 323 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:38,520 knowing, knowing how your competitors are going to race 324 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,800 and knowing like things to look out for. 325 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,800 So I guess I asked a lot of questions in the rounds. 326 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:51,240 Like I think when I got to the final, I was happy to run my 327 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,120 race and I was, I was very happy with how that went in the end. 328 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:58,520 But the rounds I was, it was scary like going through 800 329 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:03,520 meter rounds versus 1500 meters. The margins are pretty brutal, 330 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,280 aren't they? They're like, I think it was 331 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,560 just top 2 potentially and then like fastest time. 332 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,960 So it's like like you really don't have the same wiggle room 333 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,040 that you would have in a 15 where it's top five per round, 334 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,520 usually 5 or 6. So yeah, I, I would just every 335 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,720 time a heat came out, like we would sit down, go through every 336 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,920 person in the race, talk about potential strategies, talk about 337 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,000 ways to react. But to be honest, we do that for 338 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,040 every race. There's not a race that goes by 339 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,240 that we don't have that tactical conversation beforehand all. 340 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:35,800 Right. So you're speaking to a fellow 341 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,640 nerd. I want to kind of know, going 342 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,680 back to September, observing and studying the semi finals, right? 343 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,640 Lillian Odira in Heat 2 goes 156. 344 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,480 Yeah. What did you pick up from that? 345 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,640 And then I guess like now in retrospect, watching how the 346 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,800 final unfolded, like, what were you? 347 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,720 What did you get right or wrong there? 348 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,040 So like we didn't get anything wrong. 349 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,560 Like I really feel I just wanted to go into that race like 350 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,640 whatever position I came away with, just knowing I ran the 351 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,480 best 800 that I could possibly put together for me. 352 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,840 And I really feel like I did that. 353 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,920 And then she was definitely the better, faster athlete on the 354 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,160 day. And looking at the semis, I 355 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,000 flocked that like immediately she looked super chill. 356 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,240 I think I had a nice semi where I think I only had to run like 357 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,720 one 58159 to get through and felt like super comfortable. 358 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,360 And she was in a faster semi and just looked very like on cruise 359 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:39,200 control running maybe like 157 or 156, like significantly 360 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,880 quicker. So I did definitely know that, 361 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,720 you know, she was looking dangerous for sure. 362 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,440 But at the same time, it was like that wouldn't have changed. 363 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,640 That didn't change any way of how we were going to run the 364 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,640 race for us so. Yeah, there's literally nothing 365 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,680 you can do. To stop. 366 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,360 Someone's fitness and all that stuff and in the, you know, 367 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:01,800 overnight before the, the next, the, the final race. 368 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,120 Yeah, exactly. It's more just like trying to 369 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:09,120 strategize who would do what to impact the race. 370 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,160 And I thought that she probably wouldn't go to the front and 371 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,400 need it out. I thought Mary would, and Mary 372 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,800 did. So yeah, it kind of it kind of 373 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,600 unfolded quite similarly. What is it? 374 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,280 Silver medal then at the World Championships? 375 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,960 I guess tell you about just sort of like your growth as an 376 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,080 athlete just year over year. I kind of, as I said earlier, 377 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:35,000 I'm really happy with how I backed up 2024 because almost 378 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,200 2024 was a lot easier in many ways because it was just yeah, 379 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,640 this this whirlwind of excitement. 380 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,680 And then 2025 was definitely like added pressure and 381 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,480 expectation and it's made me see what it's like being that 382 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,680 position. And that was before I'd even, 383 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,880 you know, won anything that's just like medals. 384 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,320 I'm sure USA is quite similar, but Team GB, like they 385 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,960 definitely expect a lot. Not necessarily the athletics 386 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,040 team, more just like the nation, you know, they want medals, they 387 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,880 will wins. So I definitely felt that even 388 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,840 though I felt supported, it's like, OK, this is a new, new 389 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,080 feeling. But yeah, it kind of showed me 390 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,840 my resilience from a mental standpoint, but also just 391 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,440 physically. It was quite exciting to show to 392 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,880 see that I've got that range. I had a feeling and we had lots 393 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,480 of cues throughout the 8 hundreds that were done in the 394 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,360 season. Like I ran a 155 at the Diamond 395 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:37,440 League and had run a 156 the year before in London. 396 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:45,920 But then to run 154 was crazy. And yeah, just just medals are 397 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,680 obviously more important than times, but the mix of it was was 398 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,600 very exciting to like to see how I was developing. 399 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,080 And then I guess the season goes on all the way through Athos. 400 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:59,840 When it was finally over, I guess, like, how tired were you? 401 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,720 It was a long. Year, Oh my gosh, it was a long 402 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,720 year. I was exhausted. 403 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,520 I always take it one step too far. 404 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,280 I feel like you'll see the race and you'll be like, Oh yeah, 405 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,320 that was that was the one step too far. 406 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,000 But like, I'm just also so excited to be part of these 407 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,960 races and opportunities that I always want to, I always want to 408 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,920 race and don't travel kind of like, oh, life, you've done a 409 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,280 lot. Like it's probably time to call 410 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,560 it. And I'm like, yeah, but this can 411 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,520 be so fun. Like, let's just go for it. 412 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,560 So yeah, Athos, it was just funny by the end, like training 413 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,360 with Keely because she was just coming into form really like, 414 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,600 and I was definitely like going out of it like I had done I 415 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,560 don't know how many. I think like 27 races last year 416 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,480 or something and she'd done 6. So we were on different, 417 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,800 different pages. Like I was barely getting off 418 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,480 the line for reps and she was flying. 419 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,400 So went on for a bit long. But Athos was so much fun. 420 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,280 Like I will definitely, I can see myself being in the exact 421 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,840 same situation this year. 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That's Citius 25 for 25% off at 500 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,360 drinklollipop.com. I cannot believe how strong our 501 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:12,360 partnership with Lollipop has been over the years. 502 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,880 We're going to keep this thing going. 503 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:21,160 We've made it the runners soda. So what did you want to kind of, 504 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,480 you know, get out of the 2026 indoor season? 505 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,440 Because it is, I guess some people look at it as an off 506 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,560 year. You probably have eyes on the 507 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,200 World Ultimate Championships as well. 508 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,840 So how does that sort of fit into the greater picture? 509 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,280 And then on top of that, there's Commonwealth Games, European 510 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,200 champs. It's like they're not always top 511 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,320 of mind for an American audience, but like for you guys, 512 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,800 that's also very important. Yeah, for us it's huge. 513 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,640 It's like very much not an off year. 514 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,160 Like we've got so much going on. You go to World Championships, 515 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,040 indoors, European Championships, Commonwealth Games, which is 516 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,440 like big in the UK and the the level is very high. 517 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,440 Like if you look across who will be in either the 800 or the 518 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,400 1500, it's like you've got the Aussies in the 15 and the other 519 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,520 canyons and the eights. Like it's going to be really 520 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,520 tough, whatever that is. And then your ultimate 521 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,400 championships at the end. So I think like indoors in China 522 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,000 have kind of put their effort down a little bit and they were 523 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,560 like like we're going to make it a short season. 524 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,320 So it's A5 race season, which was great. 525 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:28,320 Goals going in were to win Wild Indoors, which is great, and to 526 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,680 actually run the European record for the 1500 meters, which I 527 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,360 didn't do, which is a shame because we did really feel like 528 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:39,280 we were in shape to do that. But it's because it's such a 529 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,360 short season. There's basically like one shot 530 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,920 to do it. And if if that doesn't happen, 531 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,480 then it's kind of it because obviously I'm not worrying about 532 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,800 the times that championships. When things are going so well 533 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,480 all throughout, you know, the last, you know, 2 1/2 sort of 534 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,000 years, then when you do have a sort of like that blip, that 535 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,280 moment where sort of like, oh, you just fell short of like a 536 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,680 big goal that you set for yourself. 537 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,560 I guess like, what do you tap into just sort of mentally to 538 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,360 not let that linger for too long and then just move on to just 539 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,280 sort of the next thing? Yeah, I feel like that's A and 540 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,640 kind of with any person in life, but also especially with 541 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,880 athlete, I think it's good to not let not get too high off the 542 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,120 highs and too low off the lows. Like it's totally fine to be 543 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,440 disappointed and sad about something means you care about 544 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,560 it means you've really tried. But like don't let it consume 545 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,160 you. Kind of give yourself. 546 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,520 I'll try to be like, I'm just going to give myself 40 hours. 547 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,240 Like George gets a lot of it. Like in the air. 548 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,440 I'll just be like venting. I'm like, OK, I just need like, 549 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,480 we have more minutes and then I'm done. 550 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,920 So I'll just try and, and wrap it up. 551 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,080 But I feel like I have experienced disappointment over 552 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,080 the past few years. The big one for me was European 553 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:55,680 indoors in 2025. And that was that was truly like 554 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,080 the like I, I went in as the favorite and came forth and 555 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,240 yeah, kudos to all the women that day. 556 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,160 They're incredible. And I just made a lot of 557 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,000 mistakes and they were way better athletes than me on the 558 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,640 day. And but that for me really felt 559 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,920 like the rug was just pulled under my feet, which not, not 560 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,880 fun to go through. Wouldn't recommend. 561 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,320 But at the same time, kind of would recommend because I did 562 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,400 have to just recover from that mentally. 563 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,560 I got my ship back together for World Indoors that was coming up 564 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,560 two weeks later. Showed me a lot about myself. 565 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,360 And it's kind of, yeah, it's kind of you have a big loss and 566 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,040 then you come back and, you know, that's just sport, isn't 567 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,720 it? You're allowed to 1A year it 568 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,280 seems like and then you just knock them out early and then 569 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,800 from there it'll be all. Reasons for you. 570 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,760 In one of the interviews I think that you did with it was one of 571 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,040 the British papers, I think like you, you described Torin as like 572 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,240 the race that showed you what's possible. 573 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,200 Can you walk me through, I guess, like what it felt like in 574 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,400 real time and then crossing that finish line as a world champion? 575 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,960 Just absolutely loved that race in Torin. 576 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,400 Like I just felt like it was the perfect race. 577 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,320 I felt like some people like, oh, there's no such thing as a 578 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,480 perfect race and like, well, for me that was the perfect race. 579 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,440 I really felt like, which is the whole way how that race when it 580 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,480 was a real test of everything. It was a physical task because 581 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,480 we were running fast. It was a mental task because 582 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,600 there were lots of changing dynamics. 583 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,000 Like it, you had to make moves and make decisions and split 584 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,040 seconds, but then also be measured. 585 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,520 Like it was just everything. It was a big challenge going in 586 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,120 again. It was the first time I feel 587 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,880 like I've gone into it since a big championship since European 588 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,040 Indoors where I failed, where it was like, OK, you're the 589 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,440 favorite, but can you actually get it done? 590 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,800 And it was really felt really good to get it done. 591 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,120 But also the way how that race was run, I was just really, 592 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,440 really happy with that. Yeah. 593 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,400 Was it fun to watch for you guys for like watching? 594 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,920 I feel like it was quite a lot going on. 595 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,800 No, I mean, it was it was a blast, especially I guess like 596 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,840 with the podium that ended up, you know, turning out where it. 597 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,760 Was yeah, so fun. Nikki, Jess, Jan snapped that 598 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,960 photo. I think of like, before you guys 599 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,680 got to celebrate the medals. But yes, of course, everyone 600 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,840 loves faith. But this was sort of like, I 601 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,560 think the fan favorites ended up, you know, 123. 602 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,320 That's so fun. That's really nice to hear. 603 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,960 But yeah, like it was just in the race, there was, there was 604 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,640 loads to think about actually, because Ozzy Haley went, oh, 605 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:39,760 Halon went off and that was like she got kind of a big, big gap 606 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,160 at one point. And it was just like, oh, gosh, 607 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,320 how's this going to go? But I think I felt confident 608 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,360 that we would get her. I feel like we it would be 609 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,480 having to stay patient, but we would wind back up to her 610 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,640 because I'd raised her a couple times throughout the season and 611 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,760 I knew she was going way quicker than I knew she was on like 612 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,000 world rapid pace and I was pretty confident she wasn't 613 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,320 going to run that. But then I was very concerned. 614 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920 I couldn't see any of the screens in the stadium, so I 615 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,680 couldn't actually see what was going on. 616 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,240 But I knew the whole field was obviously sitting on me and I 617 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,960 was could just feel like little clips of my feet, but I didn't 618 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,840 know who it was. So my main concern was just like 619 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,480 everyone coming past me at the end. 620 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,800 Like that's what I was worried about. 621 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,280 But yeah, luckily that didn't happen. 622 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,640 Do you feel like, in order to really feel, I guess, like the 623 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,680 weight of gold and just how momentous that moment was, you 624 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,840 needed to kind of experience what it was like to make the 625 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,680 progression from bronze to silver and then eventually to 626 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,400 gold? I think so. 627 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,120 And you know, think I'd be wrong. 628 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,800 Like if I was 19 years old and getting Olympic gold, I don't 629 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,240 think I'd be complaining about it. 630 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,640 But I do also think is it's a really cool way to do it. 631 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,120 Also like having the losses, you know, everyone talks about that 632 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,320 like losing it does make it feel good. 633 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,880 Like if you just went straight into it and won everything 634 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,720 straight away, I think it genuinely wouldn't feel as good. 635 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:06,440 Or yeah, over the past few years, getting bronze in Paris 636 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,920 truly felt like gold to me. Like I felt to me, I felt like 637 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,159 that the what it meant to me and, and everything was just 638 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:17,920 huge. And then silver was interesting 639 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,280 because I felt like, oh, I could have been more champion. 640 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,679 And I stood on the start line kind of believing that I could 641 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:26,520 be and was close. And so then again, yeah, going 642 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,360 into another shot, it does make you hungry and hungry again. 643 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,679 And you're constantly thinking about how you can do better and 644 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,560 how you can improve and things you can work on. 645 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,080 And so when it does finally come together, like I was just, yeah, 646 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,920 so happy to cross the line. But I think, yeah, all the 647 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,120 footage of me, like you can see the relief as well. 648 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,840 And just like, I just really, really wanted that one. 649 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,760 So it was, it was huge. And yeah, I think it does change 650 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,560 everything moving forward. Once you become a champion 651 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,640 instead of a medalist, it is quite a big difference, which I 652 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,000 think you only realize once you do it. 653 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,080 I used to think like getting a medal was the best thing ever, 654 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,440 and now it's like, oh, well, I'd probably be a little 655 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,480 disappointed if I just got a medal now. 656 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,560 Yeah, it kind of It's a blessing in the class because the bar 657 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,160 just moves again and it and it keeps moving. 658 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,280 No, it's definitely a privilege for sure. 659 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,400 And then you have your moment. Then Keely has her moment and 660 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,920 Molly has her moment. I guess. 661 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,240 Can you describe just sort of like the pride, I guess you were 662 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,720 the national pride you were feeling just sort of in the span 663 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,560 of what did it end up being like 30 minutes or so? 664 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,640 Yeah, 28 minutes, apparently. Yeah, it was amazing. 665 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,040 So we knew that Mining Kitty's race was like, I think it was 666 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,200 like half an hour apart. So I was like, I'm definitely 667 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,120 gonna. I was like, I would prefer you 668 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,840 to go first. So then I can like get, you 669 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,800 know, all the hype and then go in and she was like when she saw 670 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,520 I was first, she was like, I'm not going to watch your race 671 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,360 because I just need to lock it. And I was like, okay, fine. 672 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,720 So I was like, I'm going to just stay on the side. 673 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,040 I'm not going to go up and do media. 674 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,600 I'll just wait and watch you. Um, so at the end, when we, when 675 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,920 she won, I knew she was going to win. 676 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,200 You know, we're pretty confident on that, but it was great to see 677 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,800 her get it done. And then she was like running up 678 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,560 to me like, did you, where did you come? 679 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,240 Because you didn't know? And I was like, I won. 680 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,400 And then while we were embracing, Molly came over and 681 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,480 was like, guys. So that was really fun. 682 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,640 I'd seen Molly win up on the, on the results in the stadium. 683 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,680 So that was really cool. I think it was just, to me, 684 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,920 that's the most fun bit of being an athlete. 685 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,400 Like the those moments, you're just full of euphoria and they 686 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,320 feel you for years to come. Like I feel like I want to just 687 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,400 bottle that feeling and think about it all the time. 688 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,360 Like it was just very joyous. And yeah, it was great to do it 689 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,040 with Great Britain. But also just like for us as 690 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,960 girls, like we're all friends. Like it's just when you win but 691 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,920 your friends also win is just the best thing ever. 692 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,040 And then I was going through your Instagram, I guess dump 693 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,000 after World indoors. Who missed the race to give 694 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,760 birth? You got a text message from 695 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,120 somebody. Yeah, my friend Molly, she's so 696 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,680 funny. She's like a I've also loves 697 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,720 running. Was in my running house and we 698 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,120 were living together at Birmingham University and she 699 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,120 just sent me that message. Like it was my heave. 700 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,560 She was like, sorry I missed your race. 701 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,080 I was giving birth. I was like, yeah, you're good, 702 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,440 obviously. But yeah, just like really 703 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,880 sweet, supportive friends. And that's awesome. 704 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,840 So then I guess what's the celebration like that night 705 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,120 after you make it through media, you get through drug testing? 706 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,840 Like what? What happened next is what the 707 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,800 fans probably want to know. You know what? 708 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,480 Nowhere near as good as Tokyo, where we went straight to 709 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,520 karaoke. We were kind of gutted. 710 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,160 We got by the time you got back to the hotel, like the bar was 711 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,840 shut so we couldn't even have like a drink. 712 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,240 I was like, seriously, like my I just become world champion with 713 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,640 Ki. I'm like, we can't even have a 714 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,400 drink. That sucks. 715 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,400 I saw most people went to McDonald's, right? 716 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,520 Or something like that. Yeah, yeah, we ordered 717 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,160 McDonald's. We just delivered it. 718 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,760 And just yeah, because also all the restaurants were shot. 719 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,400 So we were just delivering McDonald's, but we were leaving. 720 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,760 I literally, I literally had my transfer at 1:30 AM. 721 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,680 So it was like, you know, it was, it was just chaos that last 722 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,280 that night, which, but I also love that side of it. 723 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,480 Like post race, like you're getting loads of masters, like 724 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,800 you're seeing your physios who have been helping you for weeks, 725 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,920 like you're your coaches. Obviously Jen and Trev. 726 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,480 One thing that was really cute about Tarin as well, which 727 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,200 hopefully more championships will bring in this idea is like 728 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,880 they get a medal, which I just love because it's like the 729 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,840 coaches medal. So it's it's our win together, 730 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,800 but we get to keep all the hardware. 731 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,520 So it's nice that they actually got something as well. 732 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,840 So yeah, you just find everyone, celebrate with them, found 733 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,560 George, found yeah my all our friends and then yeah, drug 734 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,120 testing media. I had to ice bath and cool down 735 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,400 because Trevor was like, you are also racing in like 6 days 736 00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,880 again. So you need to make sure you do 737 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,280 that. And yeah, by the time I got to 738 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,920 my room and had a shower, it was like I'm packed like no sleep 739 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,880 complete all nighter straight on that three hour transfer to 740 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,960 Warsaw to start. Like AI think it was like 36 741 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,240 hours of travelling. So I had my champagne but on on 742 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,080 the plane. OK. 743 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,880 Then it also just sort of makes total sense, just sort of why 744 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,880 you may have been feeling the effects of that travel when it 745 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,120 came to racing in Australia. Yeah, those I was like, it's 746 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,240 going to be fine, you know, like I knew it probably wouldn't be 747 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,640 my most amazing performance, but again, I was just like, yeah, 748 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,520 but you know, it's going to be such an amazing overall trip. 749 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,720 I mean, even if I was 100% fresh, I would still be like, 750 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,440 this is going to be hard race against Claudia, against Lyndon, 751 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,200 against Abby. I've come up against all of them 752 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,120 in world rounds before a Diamond League, so I know how good they 753 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,920 are. But yeah, that was, it was more 754 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,200 like running four O 1. That was the hardest four O 1. 755 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,120 Like that felt so hard. The week like 6 days previous 756 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,920 running 358 felt so smooth. And then yeah, running four O 1. 757 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,760 I was like, Oh my God, this. I'm actually impressed that we 758 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,080 ran that quick to be honest, because I it felt like it felt 759 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,240 hard. So then you took a little bit of 760 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,600 a break, I think right after that. 761 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,560 Yeah, took a break. So that was, we always got like 762 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,080 a down week between the season's ending and Jen and Trevor really 763 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,520 good about encouraging people to go to just like take a break, 764 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,960 whatever that means to you, like go on holiday or just go to help 765 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,960 your family and you just have like runs and cycles. 766 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,320 So we took our down week in Sydney. 767 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,360 So we had like a couple of runs and we got out on the bikes a 768 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,920 bit, but no sessions or anything. 769 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,720 Just keeping it, taking over some fitness. 770 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:53,480 But yeah, being ready to come back to training at camp, which, 771 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,480 yeah, it's going to be tough. Over the last year and a half 772 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,880 since you've leaned heavier into just sort of like your your 773 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,800 training, how much of it has sort of changed? 774 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,400 If we look at just sort of like your training plan year over 775 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,720 year, like a lot of people made a big deal about just sort of, 776 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,520 you know, the cross training component that you did. 777 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,960 So has that sort of stayed the same? 778 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,280 Like what's it look like on paper? 779 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,480 Yeah, stayed the same like we it's obviously working so we've 780 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,040 tried to increase my running mileage very slightly but still 781 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,040 your one rest day every week and one day tomorrow, Thursday is my 782 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,320 like long ride day, no running at all and then riding in the 783 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,480 afternoons all other days for running. 784 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,280 So we've kept that, actually building up quite a big group 785 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,000 out here in South Africa to go on these morning rides, which is 786 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000 great. Got loads of people in the group 787 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,400 out on the bikes. So I think that's going to stay 788 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,440 forever. Number one thing is staying 789 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,440 injury free, so that's the most important thing. 790 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,840 When you said that your mileage went up, what's it at now? 791 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,320 Because it was what, 35 miles a week or something like that and 792 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,320 you could, I guess, say kilometers and we'll do the 793 00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,880 conversion later on or whatever it is. 794 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,720 Yeah, no, I actually do go miles. 795 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:03,560 I sometimes just spend in kilometers if I'm throwing 796 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,600 something off on Instax likes longer. 797 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,680 But yeah, it will be like on camp, it might get up to like 798 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,880 37, that 38. But like, yeah, it's still, it's 799 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,760 still not that high. Well, under my straw for wraps, 800 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,240 it was like last year was like 29 miles of average per week. 801 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,280 So I think it's still around. I think it stays pretty much at 802 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,400 30, yeah. Yeah, because I think like I 803 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,320 also remember just chatting with like Sinclair and she was also 804 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,200 starting to incorporate. I think like that second, the 805 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,720 double wouldn't necessarily be a run. 806 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:38,760 It'd be like on the bike. And so it's starting to get yeah 807 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,440 with you 1500m runners. I know I felt like just got to 808 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,560 stay fresh like these these sessions are too tough to be 809 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,560 feeling like heavy legs when you come to it. 810 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,760 Like, yeah, I I mean, everyone has different way of training 811 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,920 and all different systems work. But I just yeah, know at this 812 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,480 point what works for me. So that's me now, I think, till 813 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,840 I retire. One of the other photos I think 814 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,880 you posted recently was about like the three hundreds of death 815 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,480 or something like that that you'd posted. 816 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,920 Like what? What's that workout? 817 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,160 Yeah. I mean, we, we're always on the 818 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,680 ground. I'm always we we basically are 819 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,760 on the ground for every workout. Like when at least during the 820 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,840 group, I was like, did you guys think we were so annoying? 821 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,320 Like I feel like we're always on the ground. 822 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,200 Like do you think it's like not real? 823 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,840 And she was like, honestly, kind of yeah. 824 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,840 I thought you guys just playing up to it. 825 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,080 This is like, now I've done it. I do kind of get it. 826 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,720 It was depending on who you were, like what discipline you 827 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:34,160 are, you would have a different number. 828 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,600 But I think I had 12 and the recovery was like a minute and 829 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,080 it was like I was averaging like 44 seconds ish. 830 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,120 So we're not super high altitude here. 831 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,640 It's about 1300, is that right? Yeah, 1300 feet or meters, one 832 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,760 of the other. So it's not high compared to 833 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,880 places like Samaritz or Flagstaff or anything like that. 834 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,160 But that means the intensity stays quite high. 835 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,680 So it's just like by the end you really are like squeezing as 836 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,920 hard as you can and it hurts so. We're deep into training right 837 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,840 now. What's when's the outdoor opener 838 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,760 slated for and what's sort of the season look like before we 839 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,680 get into like all those championships? 840 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,440 Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm trying to race a lot, enough 841 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,560 to get some training in, but also, yeah, after this I'll be 842 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,120 going to I'm home for a little bit and then I go straight onto 843 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,520 next camp and some Ritz. And then just deciding when we 844 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,440 are going to open up, but eyeing up Rome Diamond League. 845 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,360 So that would be early June. And then from there it's it's 846 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,800 pretty busy because we have, yeah, any Diamond leagues, but 847 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,440 then we also have our British National Championships to 848 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,760 determine who's going to go to the Commonwealth Games. 849 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,440 And then we also have like London Diamond League. 850 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,840 So there's a few bits at home which is really fun. 851 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,000 And then, yeah, pushing all the way to the end. 852 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,560 There's some interesting things towards the end of the year 853 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,240 which I have got half an eye on, like obviously Athloss, but also 854 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,960 there's the mile road running champs, which I think is kind of 855 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,840 fun in Copenhagen. I've never done a mile on the 856 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,520 road. So yeah, we'll see. 857 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,840 But it's going to open up in June and it will probably finish 858 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,840 like early October, I'm guessing. 859 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,720 You were vocal indoors about the 1500 European record. 860 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,560 Does that apply I guess towards outdoor season as well? 861 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,560 I need to check what it is, but I think it's so quick. 862 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,920 I think it's like maybe Hassan potentially. 863 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,080 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 864 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,520 Yes. I don't know what that is, but 865 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,600 I'm I'm watching. That's quite fast. 866 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,000 Yeah, I'll see. I think we'll see. 867 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,040 We'll see. I think what's interesting is 868 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,720 the 1500 or the well, the race at Pre Fontaine is now the mile 869 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,360 instead of the 1500s. So but then I was looking at 870 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,800 what the British record is for that. 871 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,080 So that's interesting. I think it's like 4415 ish. 872 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,360 Need to Fact Check that can be quicker. 873 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,720 But like that's a fun goal to have. 874 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:19,480 And then yeah, I would obviously love to PB be really interesting 875 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,800 this year with Faith. She is doing some fifteens, but 876 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,480 she'll still looks like she's doing some fives. 877 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,480 So it will it will be interesting in championship 878 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,000 scenario if she wasn't there, how it wasn't to run, but also 879 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,520 for these pace races, yeah. Are we going to run as quick? 880 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,440 I don't know because you haven't got Faith. 881 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,800 Leaving us out like it will be quite interesting to see. 882 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,040 If Keely goes for which it seems like like the outdoor world 883 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,640 record in the 800, like you probably want to be in that 884 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,560 race. The the thing that has just been 885 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,440 so interesting and this is not to pit 2 best friends up against 886 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,560 one another where I think in the during the indoor season, she 887 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,080 said something along the lines like I'd be very pissed if like 888 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,240 someone else broke the record before me. 889 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,320 And then I'm like, but George is sitting like and she's pretty 890 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,440 capable of also like trying to dream of breaking this record. 891 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,600 You don't want to spoil the party, but at the same time, you 892 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,040 also have to have some sort of self belief that you're also 893 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,360 capable of doing this. So how do you how are you 894 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,160 grappling with all of this sort of awkwardness in the 800 when 895 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,800 it comes to, you know, your best friend and training partner 896 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,200 going for this big goal? But you also can do it. 897 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,200 That's really nice for you to say, Chris. 898 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,080 I don't know. That's I didn't see myself as 899 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:35,880 the 153.2 runner. You're a 154.9 runner. 900 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,880 I know, but that's like a second and a half, which like in 800 is 901 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,720 huge. But I would I definitely you're 902 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:45,480 absolutely right that I definitely want to be in that 903 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,920 race and yeah, planning for the season. 904 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,000 I hopefully will be in a few shots of that. 905 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,760 So it's great because hey, if I was to ever win one of those 906 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,440 races, that would be amazing. But I also think it makes Keely 907 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,680 run faster having me in the race. 908 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,880 She did like AQ and a recently where she someone said who's 909 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,960 your biggest rival? And she was like, yeah, probably 910 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,400 G when we're racing together. And at first I was like, and 911 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,400 then I was like, no, yeah, I'm very happy that you said that. 912 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,240 I'd be quite insulted if you said like, what do you wear or 913 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,680 something? It's like, surely me? 914 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,080 Yeah, you guys have to toe this this line as competitors and 915 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,400 then also just sort of like the closest of friends. 916 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,480 And so I think like you should have sort of like that self 917 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,040 belief in yourself as well just based off of like your success 918 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,760 as well, so. Thank you. 919 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,320 What is the best version of Georgia Hunter Bell look like at 920 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,520 the end of 2026? Like what is it sort of like 921 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,240 that you're envisioning there? From like just the complete 922 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:46,720 outcome perspective, it would be to get as many golds on home 923 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,280 soil, so that would be being Commonwealth champion and 924 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,280 European champion. Those races will be insanely 925 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:58,200 hard to pull off. So I would be yeah, over the 926 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,960 moon if I was able to do that. You know, obviously I would try. 927 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,800 I'd love to run faster than what I've run so far. 928 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,560 But I just think overall just staying happy, staying healthy, 929 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:13,360 staying with really good development in training and 930 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,680 going into races feeling like I did absolutely everything to 931 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,240 execute on them. I feel like the ones where you 932 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,040 can look back and have regret and it's just the ones where 933 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,600 you're like, why did I do that or why didn't I go for it? 934 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,160 Which as actually last of my problem, I almost felt like 935 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,760 sometimes I'm like too delusional and try and try and 936 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,840 do too much and that's where it can go wrong. 937 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,360 But yeah, I just think I'm very lucky to be in this team and 938 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,880 have come back and have my second chance with running. 939 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,840 So I just want to make sure I'm always staying very grateful and 940 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,800 and happy and excited for the days. 941 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,120 All right, I'm going to end with one last question. 942 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,200 That is you're going to be like this the first person I'll test 943 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,720 this one out with. It's going to be fairly 944 00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,240 controversial, I think. And it's we came up with this 945 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,800 concept of like the title pyramids and like it's I think 946 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,120 there's some discourse. I think that was happening 947 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,480 online over the last couple weeks of sort of like ranking 948 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,520 like what the most important titles were in track because now 949 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,600 you've got European champs, Commonwealth Games. 950 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,200 I even threw in like an NCAA title is probably worth than 951 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,520 some of these others upset quite a couple of people. 952 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,040 So obviously Olympic champion, world champion, those are the 2. 953 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,600 Big Olympic champion? Yeah, we actually had this 954 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,640 debate before as well, because would you rather be a world 955 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,120 champion? But you never make it to the 956 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,040 Olympics or an Olympic bronze medalist. 957 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,280 So, you know, like every in track we know. 958 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,560 Oh, yeah, world champion for sure. 959 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,760 But like, you know, every person like, oh, did you go to the 960 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,920 Olympics and you have to say no? Oh see that? 961 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,080 That's OK it's great. Just sort of like dinner table 962 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,320 banter among all athletes. Would you rather be a world 963 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,840 indoor champion as you are or I never have qualified for an 964 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,560 Olympics? Or just an outdoor Olympian who 965 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,200 maybe makes a semi final in your event. 966 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,720 No, I would rather if it is, if it's like like being in 967 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:11,680 Olympian. It's tough though, because it's 968 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,800 like, no, but I would have to say world indoor champion. 969 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,920 But if you were saying to be world indoor champion or Olympic 970 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,240 bronze medal, I think I get Olympic bronze medal, yeah. 971 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,240 Yeah. That's that's like, yeah, more, 972 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,480 yeah. Give me sort of your hierarchy. 973 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:32,800 OK, Olympic champion, then World champion, then for us European 974 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,360 outdoor champion. What am I missing? 975 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:36,840 What else? Commonwealth Games. 976 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,120 Oh yeah, then Commonwealth. Yeah, I see them for Cory, 977 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,520 Commonwealth Games champion, then Bard and George champion, 978 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:52,920 then for me, NCAA champion. But I get that over in the US, 979 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,880 being an NCAA champion is like, you basically have like 980 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,280 paparazzi and like. Well, also I just think like 981 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,880 from a contract perspective is the other side of. 982 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:02,800 Things. Yeah, yeah, sometimes. 983 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,040 Something it's like, oh, like your your base contract from 984 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,880 being an NCAA champion is going to be higher already off. 985 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,040 The bat so like there's yeah, the your the NIL contracts are 986 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,440 like right, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. 987 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,920 But yeah, surely. Yeah, you wanted to stay in 988 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,520 college and win for as long as possible these days, surely. 989 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,400 Yeah, exactly. All right. 990 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,920 Well, I'm sure we'll hear from some people on just sort of like 991 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,240 all these. We're calling it the title 992 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:30,320 pyramid and just seeing how like people, you know, stack them. 993 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,560 And so you're the first one. And so I you I guess like world 994 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,640 cross country champion is another one that could be thrown 995 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,040 in there. Jess Hall is the person to ask, 996 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,760 I think, for like. Yeah, yeah, she'd probably she, 997 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,400 yeah, she's like completed everything to see what she 998 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,400 thinks is the most valuable. 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