1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,000 This episode of the City Smack podcast is presented by USA 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,720 Track and Field. All right, if you love speed, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,360 power, and championship moments, lock in right now. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,800 The USATF Indoor Track and Field Championships presented by 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,960 Prevagen are back in New York City from February 28th through 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,280 March 1st at the Ocean Breeze Athletic Complex in Staten 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Island. This is where legends don't just 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,720 race, they punch their ticket to the world stage. 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,760 The pressures reel, the margins are razor thin, and every 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,200 athlete is fighting for one thing, a spot on Team USATF at 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,400 the World Indoor Championships. The star power? 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,600 Unreal. You'll see the likes of Olympic 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,200 champion Noah Lyles, Olympic champion Cole Hawker, Olympic 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,600 medalist Jasmine Moore, world record holder Hobbes Kessler, 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,040 world champion Ellie Saint Pierre, US record holder 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,920 Sinclair Johnson. I can go on and on and on. 17 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,920 This meet sells out every single year because when the fastest 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,880 and the strongest athletes on the planet show up, there's 19 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,200 nowhere to hide. No bad seats, no second chances. 20 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,760 So don't wait. Grab your tickets now at 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,920 usatf.org/tickets and experience track and field and it's 22 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:21,560 absolute loudest. All right, it is Monday, 23 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:24,160 February 16th. I'm Chris Chavez. 24 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,360 I'm pretty much Jeff, yeah. I'm Kyle Merber. 25 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,360 And we got a lot to talk about on today's show. 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,360 Cole Hawker just ran 345.95 to break the American indoor mile 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,480 record, the number 2 performance in history. 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,520 And suddenly we're not just talking about a guy who can win 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,800 races, but is lining up what could be a truly historic season 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,280 ahead. Then we're going to zoom out to 31 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,280 the next generation because the kids are not waiting their turn. 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,720 They're getting right into it. 16 year old Sam Ruth got a crash 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,320 course in racing while trying to go stride for stride with the 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,760 pros. You've also got 17 year old 35 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,800 Cooper Lichtenhaus running 144 indoors, another U20 world 36 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,720 record. He looked I think a little bit 37 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,520 more like a seasoned veteran than a high schooler. 38 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:15,080 We'll also talk about Keely Hodgkinson opening her year with 39 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,360 the third fastest indoor 800 ever and what could be ahead 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,960 later this week and leave in. Ellie Saint Pierre continued her 41 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:29,760 comeback with another all time US mark number two, only to her 42 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,560 own American record in the mile. Wayne Kolodi lowered her own 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,560 American record again on the roads in the half marathon. 44 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,800 And then we'll hit some topics off the track, like USATF 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,280 heading to New York City for the US Outdoor Championships later 46 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,840 this year, signaling a shift away from Eugene for the time 47 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,440 being. Then we're back in 2027. 48 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,400 All that plus more from a packed weekend of results, including 49 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:57,680 Noah Lyles in Arkansas, Faith Kapiagon and Monaco. 50 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,040 We got so much to talk about, but we're going to start with 51 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:07,240 Cole Hawkers 345.95 American record number two all time 52 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:14,920 trailing only Yakabinga, Britain's 345.14 just .8 seconds 53 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,280 off of that world record. I mean, this was such an 54 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,440 impressive run in the way that it was executed. 55 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:29,720 The the the pacing wasn't like anything spectacular, but I 56 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,280 thought it really was a negative split this performance. 57 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,120 And he still looked like he had a lot left in a tank where in 58 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,960 the final 400, I mean, with 400 to go, he wasn't leading by a 59 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,560 whole lot, but by the time he the race was over, he won by 60 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,440 like, what was it 4 seconds, 3 seconds? 61 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,360 Phenomenal run by Cole Hawker. And I think like it got me 62 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,240 thinking we've there's for some reason like this approach to 63 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,800 Cole Hawker that we try and trick ourselves before any race 64 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,760 thinking that there's someone else who's the favorite. 65 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,480 He's the he's the clear favorite. 66 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,200 He's the best distance runner in the world right now. 67 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,760 And I think this performance only solidified that where it's 68 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,000 sort of like, no, I think going forward, Cole is the favorite in 69 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,519 any race that that he enters. And like in the I go, went back 70 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:20,959 and thought of just sort of what we were talking about before the 71 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:24,280 Milrose game's two mile and like none of us had picked Cole to 72 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:26,800 win. And I think going forward for 73 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,840 the rest of 2026, I think you take Cole in any race. 74 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:32,560 That's kind of like where I landed after this. 75 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,680 It was just phenomenal, I think. Yeah, the narrative prior was 76 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,760 Cole is great in championships. He's the best championship 77 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,360 racer. When it the moment matters, he 78 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,080 steps up and in these, you know, time trials or mid season races, 79 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,320 it's just not his bread and butter because he's a guy who 80 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,400 peaks big. Forget about all that. 81 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,960 That's not true anymore. It seems that he can do it all. 82 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,600 And he even called that out after the race. 83 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,600 I think the coolest thing for me was how pumped he was. 84 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,480 Like he was fired up after the race and I was wondering what 85 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,920 was that range for him? Is it just the American record 86 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:15,200 or is it 345? He totally went from being 87 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,040 viewed as just like, oh, Cole is just a really good kicker. 88 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:24,480 And now he's just an all around incredible racer in no matter 89 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,040 what kind of race you can throw him into. 90 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,880 And I think what got him really jazzed up was I think the fact 91 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,280 that it was the American record. He's been missing a couple of 92 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:37,080 those for a while, right? Like, he doesn't have any world 93 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,280 records to his name, but now this just brought him so close 94 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:45,320 to Jakob that he's very firmly in that conversation. 95 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,280 And afterwards, he was even talking about floating the 96 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:48,440 ideas. Like, I got to be ready to run 97 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,880 342 at some point in my career. And it's like, you know how fast 98 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,080 that is? It's fair though. 99 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:59,480 I mean, that's that's look, a part of me wishes this was still 100 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,120 a a flat track and we could have converted this 345 nine down to 101 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,520 342. But there is a there is a bank 102 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,280 now. It was amazing, right? 103 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:12,800 Like he just kept going faster and faster and it was like, I 104 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,560 wish there was another lap on the tail end because it seemed 105 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,840 like he had another gear if he would have needed it. 106 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,040 Definitely the type of performance we're walking away 107 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,400 from that like left a lasting impression. 108 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:29,080 I thought about it all day on my like my, my run afterwards I 109 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,120 would and it was just like, that's what I thought about. 110 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,840 I suggested to you that we hop on a podcast for an immediate 111 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:37,000 rapid reaction because it it just to your point, like now, 112 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,520 Cohokers, the best distance runner in the world or, you 113 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,480 know, middle distance. And I don't even think that's a 114 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:49,480 no one else has done anything in the last year that would make it 115 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,040 even a conversation. Preet, are we being too American 116 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,320 biased here? I have to freely I have. 117 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,760 To I'm getting crap for that. Freely admit that I was not a Co 118 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,720 Hawker believer. When he won the 1500m gold in 119 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,880 Paris, I didn't become a believer. 120 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,960 When he won 5000 meter gold last year, I still wasn't a believer. 121 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:15,800 Now I'm a believer. Look, I, I, I think, you know, I 122 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,760 think this, this is a marker, right? 123 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,640 It's close to something Jakob has done. 124 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,000 It's a really, really fast time. It's something that, you know, 125 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,960 it shows what he's what he's really capable of. 126 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,400 I think it was good that this race, like he was able to 127 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,080 control it. And I think maybe this is where 128 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,600 the diamond leagues don't suit him because he just kicked off a 129 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,760 pretty hot pace, a 348 pace, and he kicked off that to run sub 130 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,600 346. And I think those, if you have 131 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,040 those pace diamond leagues, they always go out at the pace that 132 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,040 they intend to run at the end, right? 133 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,480 And I think that's not his way of running a fast time. 134 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,000 So that's the one thing that I think we have to watch out for. 135 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,560 Can he? I think now he can go to a 136 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,880 Diamond League and he can dictate what he wants. 137 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,280 And maybe then we will see him also do the same sort of thing 138 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,600 outdoors. And I think he said in some of 139 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,040 the interviews we did with him at Millrose and stuff that 140 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,320 that's part of his target for the summer is to go out and and 141 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,520 take a hit at some of the some of these fast times outdoors as 142 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,320 well. Preet, I I hear you. 143 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,160 I I hear you. And I understand why you would 144 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,440 think that. But the suggestion that like 145 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Ephanuel Koach and Azidine haves or a yakoving of Britain ahead 146 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,200 of coal in this scenario would be something that he couldn't 147 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,440 handle. Like I just, I don't see it at 148 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,760 this point. I I just think he's levelled up. 149 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,799 A year ago. I think that made sense. 150 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:42,440 Now I like he so clearly has more time in the bank. 151 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,240 And for a guy who's a racer, if you put someone next to him, 152 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,600 he's just going faster. Yeah, probably. 153 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:50,680 I mean, as I think we've, we've got, we've got it, we've got it. 154 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,920 We've got to see what he can do. I think this as I say, he the 155 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,120 way he set set himself up it, that's how it worked out and 156 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,000 that's I think that's how he ran kind of almost the 1500 final in 157 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,960 Paris as well to run 327 right. So yes, he might be a different 158 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,280 athlete now and maybe that is more in his armoury than it was 159 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:16,440 before, but I think it's still, it still feels like his best 160 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,600 race is run with that burst to speed at the end, which gives 161 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,320 him the extra couple of seconds, right. 162 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,040 So you don't want to Max out from lap one. 163 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,840 I think you do want to that. I think that still is his best 164 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,040 race. That's just the way he runs. 165 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,080 It was deliberately like conservatively paced to the 166 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,560 point where like this is still the kind of race you could see 167 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:39,600 after 2 rounds. And I thought that that's what 168 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,760 one of the more impressive parts of this whole thing was. 169 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,880 It was like this didn't have the feel necessarily of like Abu 170 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,400 time trial the way that if you look at the splits and how this 171 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,480 one was constructed, the early laps hovered around like 28.5, 172 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,080 which avoided him from like burning out right from the 173 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,880 start. And it was the final 600 were 174 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,880 which was pretty decisive. And then he closed it out with 175 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,480 227 second laps where that's ultimately where he like created 176 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,360 that gap between him and Cooper tier who ended up in in second 177 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,960 place. I it's just so interesting for 178 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,120 me to like try and think of like, what else does Cole have 179 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,560 to do to become the standard, right? 180 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:25,680 Like even now that Jakob is injured and we probably won't 181 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,840 see him until much later on in the summer that we still think 182 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,280 of. It's like it's, it's the fact 183 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,800 that he's got that Cole has to go out and rattle off some 184 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,640 Diamond League victories to suddenly become the standard I 185 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,560 like. And and then for all of this 186 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:42,840 dominance narrative to center around coal, he's got to go out 187 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,280 to Europe and win a couple races. 188 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,600 I like, I just don't know, like I, I'm already like slotting him 189 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,640 in at #1 in sort of like the 1500 meter power rankings. 190 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,200 I'll tell you what he needs to do and I, I know Chris, you're 191 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,880 going to like laugh at this. He has to beat Isaac Nader. 192 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,960 That's like he's the defending world champion. 193 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,000 He didn't get the opportunity to last year. 194 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,280 He's got to go kick Isaac Nader's ass and then he'll be 195 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,680 like, I would have done it. But until he does that, that's 196 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:10,720 the reigning world 1500m champion. 197 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,960 And I'm not saying he can't. I think he can. 198 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,560 But that's what if there is a belt, that's what. 199 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,840 Yeah, and we're going to see Isaac Nader run a 15. 100. 200 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:19,960 Meter Thursday. So we'll see. 201 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,920 We'll see what he's made of, see how he responds to what Cole 202 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,920 just laid down. And it's funny because that is 203 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:28,720 such a Ed. You're right. 204 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,280 I am laughing because it is such a low bar, because there's going 205 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:33,640 to. Be low bar the guy. 206 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,680 Won. He won the Oslo Dream ball as 207 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:36,760 well. And you might, might say, Oh, 208 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,480 well, you know, but that's when we should have known, right? 209 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,120 I yeah, I'm just sort of thinking how like there's still 210 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,560 like 10, there's going to be 10 guys who beat Nader all at some 211 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:52,880 at some point throughout the year. 212 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,960 And like, I don't necessarily know if like, that's the, that 213 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,720 that should be the bar. But I mean, it is sort of agreed 214 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,840 upon that Cole has to go out to Europe this summer and clean up 215 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,840 at some of these diamond leagues for other people to become 216 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,840 converts. Just like Pre to believe like, 217 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,240 Oh no, this guy is the real deal 'cause we see it here in 218 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,000 America. It's pretty clear to us. 219 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,840 In retrospect, the the small minority of people who are 220 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,120 trying to pit this Cole Hocker versus Sam Ruth. 221 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,600 Oh my gosh, we'll we'll we'll talk about Sam Ruth in in just a 222 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,160 second. But for the framing to have been 223 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,560 beforehand, like, oh, this is going to be a close race. 224 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,040 Like we've already seen them in the same race or not necessarily 225 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,640 in the same race, but they were both at the pre classic and they 226 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,760 both ran a mile. They were very far off in terms 227 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:48,640 of the results. I. 228 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,360 Well there's been a lot of puberty since then. 229 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,640 That's a little unfair. It's like a huge percentage of 230 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,520 Sam Ruths life between pre classic and the JDL fast track. 231 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:05,320 But yeah, what we saw from Sam Ruth in this one is we kind of 232 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,120 like pivot to it was a little bit of a reality check and a 233 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,000 learning moment for him because he was he he ended up running 234 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,360 really well. Three 5216 year old like I think 235 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,400 like maybe 2 weeks ago, had he not run so fast that at BU, we 236 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,800 probably would have been pretty stoked and thrilled by this one. 237 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,640 But he ended up spending the 1st 500 meters of that race just 238 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,760 absolutely fighting for position to try and get behind Cole. 239 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,280 The other pros, it was Vince Ciotti and and Cooper tier were 240 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,480 not really letting him get that space. 241 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,000 This isn't sort of a race where just because you ran that time, 242 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,600 you automatically get slaughtered. 243 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,240 You got to fight for for your spot. 244 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,000 And then he was running so much extra distance in in lane 2 245 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:52,520 trying to move up and and and and get to Cole, but it didn't 246 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,320 end up working out. Honestly, all things considered, 247 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,960 Cooper Tier ends up looking like he ran a pretty smart race to 248 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,320 finish second. Kudos to Vinciotti for like 249 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,760 sticking his nose in it. But like for Sam Ruth, he did 250 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,640 run this one like a like a high schooler and but a very, very 251 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,560 good high schooler. If all things considered, you 252 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:14,720 end up walking away with a 352. It was a big learning moment for 253 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,520 him and I had like, it's, it's not necessarily something that I 254 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,360 feel like you should get too hung up on. 255 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,920 Yeah, I think, I guess before diving in, I'm curious, does 256 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,000 Sam, is he professional or is that an nil Nike deal 'cause 257 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,720 that's my barometer like that's my, that's what I weigh when I 258 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:33,920 it's. How outside are you? 259 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,440 Allowed to be of. Outside of the US, no, there's 260 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,680 no difference because there's no rules, right? 261 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,000 So Nike can pay him what? Whatever they like, however they 262 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,120 like. It doesn't affect his collegiate 263 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,720 availability. My personal right. 264 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,000 So. My personal rule is once you've 265 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,120 accepted the money, then we are allowed to discuss as a 266 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:59,000 professional. So say this is not like I think 267 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,640 this is like the problem with BU time trials like this kind of 268 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,840 highlights it is it's just not racing. 352 is, you know, for 16 269 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:12,680 year olds, you know, obviously fantastic 348 is mind blowing, 270 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,480 but now we're racing and this is the learning experience of 271 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,080 coming over to the US because when you're in New Zealand, you 272 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,480 know, it's him and training partner Sam Tanner and he's 273 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,960 going to be better for it. You know, I think his dad did 274 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,400 like a whole analysis and breakdown after the race on 275 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,440 Instagram. And that's what you need to do. 276 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,440 That's at this point in life, like when you're getting to this 277 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,600 new level, you've got to put yourself in uncomfortable 278 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,720 positions. And I guarantee if you had to 279 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,840 run that race again, like, he's not making those same mistakes. 280 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,280 But yeah, you just can't be fighting in lane 2 if you're 281 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,840 not. If you're not getting the rail 282 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,320 then just settle in and wait for your time, probably when the 283 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,120 rabbit steps off. The fitness is clearly there. 284 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,280 It's just sort of like tactically like this was, I 285 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:56,720 mean, he's. Never run a race like this 286 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,720 against this level of competition, right? 287 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,240 And that is, that is the thing, right? 288 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,200 This was a great learning experience, I think, for him. 289 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,120 He was able to like. And yeah, you're just as Carl 290 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,280 said, he's not going to make these sorts of mistakes again. 291 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,600 Or, you know, he might. But, I mean, if it was his first 292 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,680 race at this level, that was still hugely impressive. 293 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,160 And he was trying to stick his nose in it, which I think you 294 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,320 have to give him some credit for. 295 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,640 And if he'd had a path to to 2nd place and to sit in behind Cole, 296 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,360 maybe he would have run 35349 again, right? 297 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,200 But he obviously didn't have that expended a lot of effort 298 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,720 and that probably knocked a couple of seconds off his time 299 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,800 at the end of the day. But yeah, I mean, obviously 300 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,200 that's racing and that's a different skill that he has to 301 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,560 learn still. But I, I, I do think, you know, 302 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,680 like he's clearly got the confidence, he's clearly got the 303 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,680 ability. And who knows what he'll do at 304 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,480 the the Pre Classic this time around? 305 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,520 Is he doing world indoors? I mean, I feel like relevant to 306 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,240 our conversation about Cam Meyers a couple. 307 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,520 Of and he's going back to school isn't. 308 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,920 He I want to see him do world indoors. 309 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,240 What is What is the summer over in New Zealand? 310 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,320 I mean. He's already missing another 311 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,200 great experience. Obviously on the international. 312 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,960 Yeah, I think he's already missing some schools, so I think 313 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,599 they'd come over for this whatever, four week racing 314 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,640 block, right? Vinciotti seems to be teaching 315 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,280 them plenty, though, so I think it's OK to keep stay over here 316 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,119 for a little bit longer. No, it's just so valuable, like 317 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,599 those opportunities. And indoors, it's just 318 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,880 exaggerated even more so than the outdoor circuit. 319 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:32,400 So good experience. And I was impressed that he did 320 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,120 return to the front and keep trying to fight like despite 321 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:40,760 having a a rough first couple laps, it didn't, you know, I 322 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,240 guess take the wind out of his sails in terms of his belief 323 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,680 that he should be up on Cole. Yeah, also major kudos for the 324 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,120 timing of the Pre Pre Classic organizers press release to hype 325 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:58,240 up the The first 3 athletes confirmed for the Bowerman Mile 326 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,240 are Cole Hawker, that Cam Meyer, winner of the Power of a Mile 327 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:08,200 and then of course Sam Ruth, who is coming off of that U20 or U18 328 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,840 world record. And I think like they got the 329 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,960 juice out of that. But I think what we learned over 330 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,120 the past weekend is that coal is definitely like on another 331 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:18,960 level. But it All in all great to see 332 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,680 just sort of like this kind of because they don't get to go 333 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,520 through the NCAA motions of learning what what the racing is 334 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,120 like at the NCA scene, which is obviously something that is paid 335 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:35,760 off dividends for the likes of Josh Cole yard that you do start 336 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,800 to see Cam and Sam come out to the US indoor circuit at least 337 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,400 to get a taste of that over the last like couple years. 338 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,120 So yeah, it'll be I mean, Sam Ruth definitely made a name for 339 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,280 himself so far this indoor season. 340 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:54,320 And I hope it's not, you know, totally the end if he, maybe 341 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,560 he's headed off to Maury Plant as well 'cause that seems to be 342 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,520 drawing Cam Meyers. So one thing that I put out on 343 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,960 Twitter and then Kyle kind of gave me crap for this in text 344 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,000 'cause he's like, can't believe you have time to write that 345 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,040 whole essay up, but you don't have time for a 15 minute 346 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,880 podcast. But to react to Cole's mile. 347 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,400 But Cole is planning to double at USA's and then the hope is to 348 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,120 double at the World Championships. 349 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,680 Try and go for the Jakob double gold and the 15 and the 3K. 350 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,360 But the problem is he doesn't have the world standard in the 351 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:29,520 3K. So he's got a kind of monitor 352 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:35,000 and make sure that you know not enough people run crazy fast and 353 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,440 knock him off. But did the calculations. 354 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:43,520 Worst case scenario, he ends up around like 14th or 15th after 355 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,600 leaving this upcoming weekend and the they take a targets 356 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,120 field size of 15 people. So it seems like Cole is going 357 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,560 to be safe all things considered or else you're just going to 358 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,400 have to run really damn fast at the US championships, which it 359 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,560 sounds like Nico Young is also entered in or will be planning 360 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,080 to run the 3K at USA. So we're we're slated to get 361 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,760 Nico versus Cole over 3K out on Staten Island. 362 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,080 Get your tickets. There's a scidious Mac discount 363 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,440 code in the show notes. So if you're in the New York 364 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,320 City tri-state area, that will be a must watch race for sure. 365 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,440 But. Yeah, Nico versus Cole, 366 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,600 something we haven't gotten and then? 367 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,680 Cole versus Yarid in the 15. And then Nico in. 368 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,480 Yeah, pretty good. It will, so yeah. 369 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:34,600 Great segue to to Nico 733 over Yarid and Ethan Strand 26 O in 370 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,560 the final 200. I mean, this guy can like the 371 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,880 speed development that he's had the last couple years has been 372 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,280 incredible. It's, I always have to like now 373 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:50,920 remind myself he's a 10K guy in theory and he's closing so well. 374 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,360 I, I'm just thinking of it from the perspective of long term. 375 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,120 He is now developing what he needs to do in order to contend 376 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:02,840 on the world stage in the 5K10K. And that's making this little 377 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,720 focus. It's what we saw Rupp do for at 378 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,040 one point in his career where he's like, hey, I got to focus 379 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,320 on this during the indoor season and he came out and all of a 380 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,320 sudden the last lap of global championships, he can hang. 381 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,360 Yeah, I it's the type of clothes you need that it just so 382 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:21,840 happened that Jimmy Gressier developed this skill over the 383 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,960 last couple of years and was able to pull it off this past 384 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,800 World Championships. But for a race specifically, 385 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,880 just like that, if you put Nico Young's current fitness in that 386 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,320 same race, I mean, he might end up being world champion. 387 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,960 The closing speed that we saw at Melrose and this past weekend, 388 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,280 it's sort of like now the lesson is, is, is can you figure out 389 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,440 when the right time to? Because it always feels like 390 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:49,240 there's the final lap is just always so hard that there there 391 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,200 must be some more left in the tank if you kind of pull that 392 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,600 out a little bit sooner. He closed that final lap faster 393 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,680 than Cooper Luckenhouse did in the 800. 394 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,200 It just sort of like, can he start to pull this thing out 395 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,120 because he's obviously the strongest aerobically? 396 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,000 Can he go at 600? Can he go at 500? 397 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,120 That's kind of what I want to see next, because I think he 398 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:14,000 can. That's I guess the question of 399 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,000 how do you beat Cole Hocker? And if you're a Nico, you're not 400 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,120 waiting to the last 100 to try to beat Cole. 401 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,360 And so Nico has to be the one to wind it up. 402 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,840 But it's not really something we see a ton of him. 403 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,880 We do see him kind of wait a lot because of now the the true 404 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,760 distance guys he's got amongst the the very best kicks, but if 405 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,000 he's going to be cold then he's got to put coal in the hurt 406 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,440 locker at some point, which that's going to be tough. 407 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,560 I'll give it a gram blanks because he's actually like at 408 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,400 least been trying it against the likes of Cam Myers and then 409 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,880 again against the likes of Cole Hawker so he's giving it a shot. 410 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,240 He just does. Probably doesn't have as sharp 411 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,640 of closing speed as Nico does, but it's something I want to 412 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,360 see. I think out of Nico potentially 413 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,480 at at USA is like if you're him, you got to start thinking it was 414 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,320 like, all right, well, I've got a 345 Miller in this one. 415 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,400 Like I can't let it go down to the final 600. 416 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,120 So do I find a way to go at 8:00? 417 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,200 But knowing how Cole has run some of these races, if you 418 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,040 can't let him get to the front, he's going to take control of 419 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,360 the race and it's going to be really hard for him to let go of 420 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,800 that afterwards. What else impressed you about 421 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,080 this Three? Yeah, I mean. 422 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,600 Ethan Strand interesting strategy taking it from the 423 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,240 front. I mean something a bit new for 424 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,160 him. Obviously it got reasonably well 425 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,800 wasn't too bad. So, you know, third place wasn't 426 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,640 too bad. Yared not looking quite as sharp 427 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,240 as he maybe he normally does indoors, but apparently he got 428 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,600 ill after mill Rose and you know, taking him a little while 429 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,160 to get back. So he's kind of reasonably happy 430 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,680 with the season, but not. Yeah, but I think it's almost 431 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,880 good because he's almost too sharp indoors and then, you 432 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,560 know, and then on the Diamond League circuit and then not when 433 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,200 you want him to be at his sharpest, right. 434 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,760 So. So I think maybe that's that's 435 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,360 not necessarily a bad thing if he's building up a little more 436 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:11,240 slowly this year. And Matthew Wilkinson is back 437 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,440 fully from his injury. That was very impressive. 438 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,160 And Dara Mcaleny is the third Irishman, Carl, you'll be 439 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,880 pleased to see who's kind of on that qualifying for their while 440 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,560 indoor 3K, which is very impressive. 441 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,120 But obviously he he won't be able to go if the other two want 442 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,520 to go, sadly. But that was quite fun. 443 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,840 I was watching the race with his agents. 444 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,240 So yeah, they were they were, they were they were focused on 445 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,760 him quite a lot. But George Beamish, I was also 446 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,760 disappointed by in this race. I was like, this was I've 447 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,760 expected him to at least hang a little bit better being this 448 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,680 double chase world champion, but maybe not his. 449 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,440 Day, Yeah, but here's the thing with George, it's sort of like 450 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,400 if he wants to go to World indoors, doesn't he just have to 451 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,160 say like, yeah, I'd like to be part of the team. 452 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,920 Like there isn't like a crazy selection. 453 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,440 Process. He's not quick enough right now 454 00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,640 though for. Him to be named Oh. 455 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:07,160 Yeah, I guess that is. A problem shifting gears. 456 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,720 Just really quick to switch over to the the women's 3K. 457 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,160 Nikki with another strong performance, locks up the World 458 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,360 Championship standard. It's setting up really nicely 459 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,720 and I guess we can talk more about it when we touch on Ellie 460 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,120 Saint Pierre. But Nikki versus Ellie is going 461 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:30,720 to be pretty fascinating because Nikki just doesn't lose against 462 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,680 any other American. But right now, Ellie is like 463 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,760 back to form where she left off in 2024. 464 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,960 So someone's got to lose a race. And like I, I, we're just not 465 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,160 accustomed to seeing either one of them lose right now. 466 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,960 Kyle, who would you give the edge to right now in both? 467 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,880 Because actually, let's presume I, I think my understanding was 468 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,280 that Ellie will only be going 3K at USA. 469 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,560 So in that race, who would you favor? 470 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,480 I was going to say in the 3K, I'm going to go Ellie. 471 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,280 I, I just think she's way too strong. 472 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:09,200 And if she's opening up like she did at New Balance and you know, 473 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,720 give her another few weeks, then I just, I think that she could 474 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,600 take Nikki to a place that Nikki's never been in the 3K, 475 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,160 whereas in the 1500 mile, just Nikki's top end speed. 476 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,560 Like they're just floating when they touch the track right now 477 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,640 and it just seems like firing on all cylinders. 478 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,200 But again, we we touched on this at Melrose. 479 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:40,360 I loved that Nikki was winding it up and taking it from far 480 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,640 out. I think that they're continuing 481 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,000 to build their dynamic race style and the more ways to beat 482 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,360 people. So yeah, LE3K. 483 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:56,520 Yeah, I think it's worth remembering Ellie won the 3K at 484 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:02,880 World Indoors in 820.87. That is 1314 seconds faster than 485 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,120 what Nikki ran the other day. So it's a whole another ball 486 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,880 game. And and that was obviously not a 487 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,400 pace race. I mean, obviously there was good 488 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,200 out there to maybe do some of the pacing, but but nonetheless, 489 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,880 you know, that was a crazy time. And so it's it's a whole another 490 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,000 another world on the time front. So yeah, it would be a 491 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:31,680 fascinating race though at USA. Ellie opting not to run the 1500 492 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:37,880 is like the is a gift to like all the other American 493 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,600 competitors. That's a spot for for world 494 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,160 indoors. It's like it could be Nikki and 495 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,880 Ellie in both of those events, but a spot has opened up and if 496 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,840 you're Sinclair like that, that could be incredible talent being 497 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,080 left at home. I like. 498 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,880 So both of those squads are going to be very, very difficult 499 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,720 to make. And I think just in general the 500 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,480 thought just kind of previewing lightly USA, is that the 1500 501 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,600 and three K fields are going to look very, very similar. 502 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,240 It's the reason so many people ran the 3K this past weekend is 503 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,680 to get a time on the board to end up as high as they can in 504 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,880 those rankings and on the top list. 505 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,400 So that's why those fields will look pretty similar in Staten 506 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,200 Island in just a couple weeks. I want to turn our attention 507 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,600 over to Cooper Lechenhouse running 144. 508 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,520 This moves him to number six all time indoors, another U20 world 509 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,360 record. Not only that, but now Technic, 510 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,880 we're calling it the high school record because he's still 511 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,400 technically in high school. I know that there's lists like I 512 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,400 think it was track and field news doesn't recognize it 513 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,840 because he's now a professional. But as of right now, the US high 514 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,120 school record in the 800 is faster than the NCAA record and 515 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,040 that's that's where we're at right now. 516 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,520 Colin Solomon's time from the Mill Rose games just a couple 517 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,520 weeks ago also got a scare because Handel Robon finished 518 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,120 second in a time that would have been under Paul Aaron's previous 519 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,200 NCA record. So the 800 even on the men's 520 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,800 side is also having a little bit of an acceleration on the high 521 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,960 school and collegiate fronts. The splits for Cooper were 522 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:29,400 24.925 point, 627 flat and then close IN265 S aggressive early 523 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,600 on, stalled a little bit on that that third lap still around 524 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,160 1:44. I think All in all, when I watch 525 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,480 this race, I'm like he's he is ready to be in the the 143 range 526 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,880 with a little bit more of a smoother distribution there. 527 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,240 And generally fitness wise come outdoor season, he's going to be 528 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,880 in 142 shape just like very early on. 529 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,200 So what was the most impressive part of of his run, Kyle? 530 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,120 I keep thinking about imagine a world in which Cooper didn't run 531 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:07,800 142 at the at the US champs last year and then he comes out and 532 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:13,880 runs 144 O as like with the type of overreaction and how hype 533 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,000 everyone would be. But because we've saw that 142, 534 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,960 it's like it's probably pretty hard to surprise us now. 535 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,000 But you know, this is his second fastest time ever and he beat a 536 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,360 142 guy to do it. So I mean nothing but praise. 537 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,920 It's just it's perfect. Like the progression that he's 538 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,240 had this whole season, him telling everyone that he's like 539 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,960 holding back because he's knows it's a long year. 540 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,520 Like if this is holding back in training and like your your 541 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,920 preparation for where are we going? 542 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,880 What comes next? I didn't it's, it's, I don't 543 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,840 know. I feel very fortunate to have 544 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,560 been able to watch him race live because it feels like you're 545 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,800 watching LeBron or Jordan in person when he's running. 546 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,960 He just eats up ground. And I just it's, it's so good. 547 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,360 It's it's just excellent. I I want to see more people 548 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,920 around him is probably the one thing that I'd want to see next 549 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,400 is like, I want to see him having the experience that Sam 550 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,360 had in the mile, like getting bumped around and not being able 551 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,720 to control a race. I want to see him and just see 552 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,520 how he reacts and handles that moment. 553 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,640 Yeah, but does it feel like the bodies are there right now? 554 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,440 Like Josh Hoey appears to have like I think called it a season. 555 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,560 You know, he had whatever a hamstring issue that popped up 556 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,200 after he broke the the 800 world record. 557 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,440 Donovan and Bryce are not don't look like they're quite there 558 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,720 yet in terms of fitness. So it's like, where is he going 559 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,280 to find this competition right now that will push him to that 560 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,760 143 range? Yeah, in Europe, that's where 561 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,040 he's got to go. You know, Elliot Criston almost 562 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,120 won that World Indoor Championship last year and he's 563 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,960 already posted 143 this season. So, you know, if I don't know if 564 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,160 Josh is going to be healthy enough or if we're going to see 565 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,600 him again this indoor season, But the Europeans have a lot of 566 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,520 guys who've run 144 and that's where he'd have to go and 567 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,760 they're not going to be nice to him. 568 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,280 I don't know, has has Cooper committed to going through all 569 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,760 the way through World Indoors? He's a professional at this 570 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,200 point, so. I think he has like some 571 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,280 homework then he can't do. No, I have no idea. 572 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,320 Hopefully he does it. It'd be great because again, the 573 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,600 ongoing theme world indoors, unbelievable place to do like an 574 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,840 accelerated course of, you know, catching up to what life is 575 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,000 going to be like racing on the international circuit, 576 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,880 especially in the 800. Although now now with that very 577 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,000 soft first couple turns compared to what we used to have, maybe 578 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,120 not quite the learning experience that it once was. 579 00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:01,040 Quick side note, and this might be right up your alley because 580 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,520 we're you're the Winter Olympics buff of the three of us. 581 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,000 But we did put put up Rye Benjamin's like tweet about 582 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,960 like, oh, indoor tracks should be added to the Winter Olympics. 583 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,160 And kind of that was a little bit like an engagement fishing. 584 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,240 I know that thing's going to do well. 585 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,160 There's going to be track fans who are like, yeah, absolutely. 586 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,040 But if you read just sort of what sports have to be, the 587 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,120 sport has to be contested on like ice or snow. 588 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480 So right off the bat, it's like you're now you're just talking 589 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,360 about speed skating and that's not track. 590 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,360 This is more of like an environmental shift that we 591 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,600 would be having, but preed, I guess. 592 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,240 Like where did you stand on just sort of did you just kind of 593 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,440 look at that being like, this is such a stupid post. 594 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,600 I mean, if we talk about cross country being the Winter 595 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,880 Olympics, I think that's a much more sensible kind of happy 596 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,480 medium. Oh, of course. 597 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,760 You know, I love indoor tracks, but at the same time, I don't 598 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,520 think you can make it an an Olympic sport in the same way. 599 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,720 It's not, it's not quite. Yeah, I don't, I don't think it 600 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,360 quite fits the bill, especially if it's the centrepiece of the 601 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,120 Summer Olympics. I don't think you can kind of 602 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,880 have it kind of force its way into the Winter Olympics to to 603 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,920 kind of. Just do it on ice. 604 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,960 I just just throw some ice or snow on the ground and now all 605 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,960 of a sudden we got a new sport. It's very interesting. 606 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,000 I think what it what it boiled down to was just sort of indoor 607 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,840 track equals the seasonal variation of athletics. 608 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,120 Winter Olympics is environmental. 609 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,360 It's environment specific disciplines is what I ended up 610 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,840 finding like online. It was like why indoor track 611 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,480 isn't in the Winter Olympics even though it happens in the 612 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,600 winter time. And I was like, oh, OK, yeah, 613 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,040 no, it's honestly in the rules why it can't be in there. 614 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,120 All right, let's get back to, well, one more thing on Winter 615 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,040 Olympics pre anymore tears shed like, was there another Olympic? 616 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,760 Moment last week that it was it was the biggest drama we have 617 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,920 ever seen right so NBC right it's like Sydney and Mondo lost 618 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,000 at the Olympics. It was it was that bad that the 619 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,880 guy the guy he's he's called the quad God. 620 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,920 I mentioned him on the last time we talked about this. 621 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,160 He was the red hot favorite to win the gold medal in the men's 622 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,640 figure skating and the poor guy. He's only whatever he is 2021, 623 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,720 right. They didn't send him to the they 624 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,320 had selection drama. They he came third at the 625 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,920 trials. They didn't send him to the 626 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:35,880 Olympics because to the last Olympics in 2022, and the poor 627 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,520 guy fell apart on the Olympic stage. 628 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,720 He fell twice. He literally had to just stay on 629 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,320 his feet. If he'd stayed on his feet, he 630 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,240 would have won the gold medal because he is so much better 631 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,080 than everybody else. He could make a few mistakes and 632 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,320 still win the gold medal. And all his top competitors also 633 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,960 skated badly. So he literally had such a low 634 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:04,920 bar and it was like if Mondo had to jump, I don't know, 540 to 635 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,320 win the win, the pole vault gold medal and failed to clear it. 636 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,400 That was the kind of disaster that this poor guy had. 637 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,360 And it was it was really sad. Like in a way, like it was 638 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,880 devastating to see because he performed like, OK, a few days 639 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,880 earlier in the team event, skating the same thing. 640 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,240 And, and the poor guy just. Yeah. 641 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,760 And and obviously they had Simone Biles in the audience 642 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,920 ready to kind of like she's the master of like all these tricks 643 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,840 and jumps like in the Summer Olympics. 644 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,360 And they had Simone bars that NBC had got her there in the 645 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,760 audience to like congratulate him and do content with him. 646 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,240 Like it was all Yeah. And the pressure must well, I. 647 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,040 Don't. Think it's his fault. 648 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,320 I think the pressure was just so ridiculous, like as it. 649 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,280 Who else would be that? Would be as in as in as in as 650 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,440 in. There was just so much, like 651 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,960 there was almost too much pressure, right? 652 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,240 He hasn't lost in 2 1/2 years. And the pressure got to the got 653 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:06,840 to him and I, I, yeah. Did the Winter Olympics. 654 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,800 Did I did I see this though, that like there's a, there's a 655 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,680 world championship for figure skating that's like right after 656 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,400 this and like he's just. Going to, it's like the Diamond 657 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,320 League having the Diamond League final after the Olympics, right? 658 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,880 It's the same same kind of thing, right? 659 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,200 Well, no, he's going to, he's going to be OK. 660 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,240 He's going to destroy everybody. And that's the that's the thing. 661 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:27,600 But yeah, and there was a hot mic moment, and the first 662 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,640 comment that came out on the hot mic after he got off the ice was 663 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,800 if they'd sent me to Beijing, which was the last Olympics, 664 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,040 this wouldn't have happened. That was literally the hot mic 665 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,760 comment. So that's got a lot of lot of 666 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,160 traction because he's like, if I'd had the experience of going 667 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,960 for the Olympics, then I wouldn't have felt the pressure 668 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,680 so much this time around. But after that, like he was, you 669 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,360 know, he was very gracious and he gave interviews and he was, 670 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,920 you know, he's really good. But yeah, you had to feel really 671 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,880 sorry for him. So did you cry or were you just 672 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,640 more? Shocked. 673 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,080 That was pure, like absolute sure. 674 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,680 And the poor guy who did win the gold medal, he was like fifth. 675 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,640 He was thrilled to be 5th and then literally the four guys 676 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,560 ahead of him who was supposed to beat him handily each one like 677 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,960 flopped and he then he was like shocked when he got the bronze. 678 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,480 Medal Isaac Nader of of finger. Skating, he was shocked when he 679 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,920 when he knew he found out, he figured out he'd got the bronze 680 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,880 medal and then suddenly he got the silver medal and then 681 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,680 suddenly he'd got the gold medal and he was like, it wasn't like 682 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,920 someone what it felt like someone hadn't won the gold 683 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,000 medal, but that, you know, the others had lost it. 684 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,720 But at the same time, like the the the kids from Kazakhstan and 685 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,720 and he was very, very good and if he. 686 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,720 Very nice, yeah. It was. 687 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,320 My my unpopular opinion is that if judges are deciding who wins, 688 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,640 it's just it's not a real sport. You you you try. 689 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,440 You try and jump in the air and spin around 4 times before you 690 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,560 land. It's not my. 691 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,560 Type of sport, I should say it's a sport. 692 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,880 It's not my type. You got to beat other people 693 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,240 like in a race or score more points. 694 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:13,520 Like what if like just because his routine was harder that if 695 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,560 he would have just stayed on his feet Like I don't that just 696 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,840 seems made-up like I, you know, am I on to something at all? 697 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,600 I'm kind of just going off Dome here, but it just feels like 698 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,720 anytime things are judged, like I'm watching as obviously not a 699 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:33,520 real fan and I don't know who's winning and they're just points. 700 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,480 Flash and it's going to be like the multi events. 701 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,040 I think there's like loads of different elements and different 702 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,840 athletes are better at different parts of it. 703 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,080 And some of the some of the events have a slightly more like 704 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,400 everyone's about the same and you can only get small advantage 705 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,120 by doing being really good in that event. 706 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,480 And there are some events where like if you're really good at 707 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,280 pole vault as a decathlete, that gets you huge amounts of points 708 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,080 if you're able to clear a couple of extra bars. 709 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,440 So it's like, it's that sort of the thing, right? 710 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,720 It's it's the kind of how do you. 711 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,840 It's still a mark though. As opposed to like someone just 712 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,920 saying you did it well? Like or more beautifully. 713 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,520 Yeah, pole vault. You know, I know you didn't jump 714 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,640 as high as the other guy, but you, you got over with elegance 715 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,200 and therefore you're better. It's like, I don't know, it 716 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,280 doesn't do anything for me. You're not a romantic guy. 717 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,000 Clearly not. I'm more of a. 718 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:32,800 Double luge guy. All right, let's move over back 719 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,280 to track. Keely Hodgkinson opened her 720 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:47,080 season with a 156.3, the number three indoor 800 of all time, 721 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:51,000 only two people faster than her, both from 2002. 722 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,080 You're going to see the fact that she was born on the day 723 00:40:55,080 --> 00:41:02,960 that the 800 record was was set. Now that 800 by Yolanda Chetlak 724 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:09,360 or Cetlak Chetlak got it right in the first time 155.82. 725 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,840 What would we do without? Free. 726 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,080 What would? We do. 727 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,400 We'd sound like obnoxious New Yorkers on this thing. 728 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,720 Just, you know. What would we do? 729 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:20,640 Yeah, like give me an Italian. Name that. 730 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,680 Would all nail it. Yeah, probably. 731 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,880 All right. The long standing indoor world 732 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,400 record is 155.82 by Yolanda Chetlak in 2002. 733 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,840 It's on its last days. Leaving is happening on 734 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,800 Thursday. It's pretty clear that Keely is 735 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,280 going to be going after it there. 736 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,320 She could dip into the 150 fives, maybe even 150. 737 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,720 Well, the record is pretty high up there, 155.82. 738 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,520 She could end up in the mid 150 fives but this one was 739 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880 important. Like impressive because she did 740 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,600 it solo. No pacemaker. 741 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,080 They shut the lights off for her. 742 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,720 Because British champs did decide to have wavelengths. 743 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,200 Just in the finals though, in. The heats people, yes. 744 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,400 Not in the heats. So there was a massive gap. 745 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,040 She had no one else to push her to. 746 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,920 This thing looked totally controlled. 747 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,080 I mean, I was just kind of blown away by how casual it looked for 748 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,160 Keely and the fact that she didn't even have like a rust 749 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,640 Buster race before this. It was just boom, we're opening 750 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,600 up with 156. And if this is her baseline for 751 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,520 2026, then this is going to be the year that she breaks the 752 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,960 indoor and outdoor world record. But yeah, I mean, I think we're 753 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,680 all in agreement here that that world record is falling on 754 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,360 Thursday pre you were there. You witnessed this in. 755 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,760 Person yours were on the floor, People were like what the earth 756 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,600 is going on? This is the British indoor 757 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,440 champs and stuff like this does not happen but. 758 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,440 Is and it's not even like a fast track, right? 759 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,560 You were telling us before it's like a temporarily. 760 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,400 Broad in this? Yeah. 761 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,040 It's it's it's. Imagine if she was a Yeah, it's 762 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:00,760 a new. Track. 763 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,600 But it's it's not, yeah, it's not supposed to be the fastest 764 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,080 of tracks. Quite a few of the athletes have 765 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,680 said it's not a quick track. But I think the other thing here 766 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,760 was, yeah, she so she, so apparently, from what I 767 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,000 understand, this is the first time in a in a couple of years 768 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,680 where she has had an uninterrupted winter as well. 769 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,520 So her training has been completely uninterrupted, which 770 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,960 is why, as is evidence, she is so fit right now. 771 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:34,160 And, and she's, you know, she was trying to break this world 772 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,480 record last year. And then then she had the injury 773 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,440 just before the Kili classic where she was going to try and 774 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,360 break it on this, on this very track. 775 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,760 But you know, she and she kind of said afterwards, I didn't 776 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,920 intend to run that fast. I was like, and I think her 777 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,200 coaches basically told her, yeah, OK, go out in a 57 ish 778 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,560 and, and, and then see how you feel and, and then jog it in 779 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,760 after that. But she decided to, to keep 780 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,760 going and didn't really slow down that much. 781 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:09,000 So yeah, it was, it was, it was very impressive and I really is. 782 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,120 I think if she had broken the world record, although UK anti 783 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,560 doping was there, I don't think they had the level of anti 784 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,960 doping that you need for a world record. 785 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,880 I think there's kind of probably extra stuff you need. 786 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,560 So I don't think that was there. So it might not have been been 787 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,560 been great if if they if she had accidentally broken the world 788 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,040 record. Well, you have you have 24 hours 789 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,200 and I feel like your agent would do their job. 790 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,920 Yeah, they probably would have. I'm sure they would have. 791 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,480 I'm sure they would have got it sorted. 792 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,360 But it but it probably came as a bit of a bit of a surprise. 793 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,880 But no, I mean, yeah, as I say, Jaws are on the floor. 794 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,840 The people got a show. And yeah, I think that that kind 795 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,840 of shut people up who were upset about her only turning up for 796 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,800 the for the heats because at least she didn't jog it in in a 797 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,160 two O 5 right. So. 798 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,080 Well, I think you're still allowed, I think. 799 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,240 You're still allowed to get upset by the fact by that fact. 800 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:02,760 Like you, if you if you watch it, you're like, well, that was 801 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,080 awesome. Then there's the finals. 802 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,720 She's going to go faster and like, no, no, no, she's not 803 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,600 going to run the final. What? 804 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,880 OK, so pre did you feel like fans were upset at the fact that 805 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,200 all these top stars got their invites and then somehow in the 806 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,000 24 hours before their race they all got these medical 807 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,880 exemptions? Called them and personally 808 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,800 invited. The king one of. 809 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,240 Them to come to come compete the king at is like and how can you 810 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,320 stand up the king? I think there's background to 811 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,560 this, right? So obviously all this UK 812 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,920 championships was not on the Champions, the indoor national 813 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,520 championship weekend, which is the weekend that USA is on 28th 814 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,280 Feb, 1st of March, right? That's when your national indoor 815 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,560 championships are supposed to be. 816 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,200 And I think most of the top athletes would have been 817 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,680 anticipating that based on the date of wild indoors. 818 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,760 But everything got confirmed quite late. 819 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:07,280 And I think the issue is that this meet was then on kind of 820 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,360 almost on the wrong weekend, right? 821 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,600 So I think the likes of a Georgia and Achille, they're 822 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,320 Nike athletes like Jacob who is committed to run leave on every, 823 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,720 every year. I think they are, you know, that 824 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,240 is a big target for them. That is something that the Nike 825 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:26,440 wants them to do. So you know, that was in the 826 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:31,600 diary for like 6 months, right? And then they actually want to 827 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,560 race on that weekend of 28th March, 1st of Feb as a lead into 828 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,560 World Indoors. So I believe they might even be 829 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,720 setting up their own meet for that weekend. 830 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,960 Yeah, but. Here's the thing. 831 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,600 What's wrong with showing up and running one round and not even 832 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,320 like you? Clearly I I guess like even in 833 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,400 the bylaws and all that stuff, you don't, you can jog it and 834 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,440 still like you. Need other things, remember is 835 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,400 actually we were getting we were potentially getting more stars 836 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,880 here than we've ever had at auk indoor meet. 837 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,560 Like UK indoor champs does not normally attract huge like Rep 838 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,480 because I think if you're if you're going, we actually had 839 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,960 more people come when we had a deeper meet when there was 840 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,480 European indoor qualifying at stake, which was last year was 841 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,120 world indoors. There's only a few people like 842 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,480 who've got the standard in most of the events. 843 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,880 There's not more than two people who've got the standard who 844 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,440 actually want to race world indoors. 845 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,760 So it's it's kind of you, it's not really a trials. 846 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,240 So that's the difference, right. There's only people, there's 847 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,800 only a couple of people they can send who want to go. 848 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,960 So the the world indoor selection kind of sort sorts 849 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,600 itself out. And actually this year was the 850 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,640 first time that, well, I don't know, I don't know whether it's 851 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,560 the first time, but they, they had a policy where you had to 852 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:54,400 turn up to UK indoors to, to be selective for world indoors or 853 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,360 you had to get the medical exemption if an issue cropped 854 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,640 up, which obviously in the case of Georgia and, and Josh, it, it 855 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,360 did. And there we are. 856 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,440 It's a little unfortunate and yeah, I know some people were 857 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:11,160 upset about it, but I I think they're also the audience that 858 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,240 you get at UK indoors. Yes, there's a hardcore maybe 859 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:19,320 500,000 like hardcore fans. And the rest of it is actually 860 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:23,200 families having a day out or people come to support their 861 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,360 relatives. And that gets, you know, if 862 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,480 there's like 203 hundred athletes competing, that's, you 863 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,120 know, their family and friends is the other 2000 people in the, 864 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,200 in the audience, 3000 people in the audience, right. 865 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,680 So the, the, it's a, and it's a lot of families. 866 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,120 They make it a Family Day out. That's the kind of way they 867 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,720 market this thing. So actually, I had some friends 868 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,600 rock up who had no idea who any of these people heard. 869 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,680 They didn't know who Keely or Josh or Georgia were. 870 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,920 They did not care that they weren't, that they were, were 871 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,320 running. They were just there for a good 872 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,200 day. The BBC Sports Personality of 873 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,600 the Year from last year. They don't know who. 874 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,440 They didn't care. They didn't know, they didn't 875 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,040 care. So Danny, they don't know 876 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,200 anything that's. Going Oh, I had to do a lot of 877 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,440 explaining, I'll tell you, but you know, no, as in as in. 878 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,360 But I do think that there are a lot of people there who will, 879 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,920 who will come just for a good day out. 880 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,160 That is that is kind of part of the culture there to take people 881 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,200 like to take their kids to sporting events. 882 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,560 That is, that is a big part of the culture and it I don't 883 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,640 think, yes, Keely is a big draw. But at the same time this wasn't 884 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,520 marketed off Keely or anything like that. 885 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,000 So I don't think it was, I don't think it was. 886 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,760 It was the end of the world in that sense. 887 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,840 I'm imagining a scenario of a random family like accidentally 888 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,480 stumbling on to like the US Indoor Championships and just 889 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,240 like showing up inside an island and having no idea who Noah 890 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,920 Lyles is and just being so confused. 891 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,880 Like there's, there's just. Yeah, applying, there's no. 892 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,720 Different country anyone in, but he's at a they're at a track 893 00:49:58,720 --> 00:49:59,840 meet. Yeah. 894 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,520 Just because he loves sports, no. 895 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,680 No, no, no. That's genuinely what people 896 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,480 like to do. They like to take their kids to 897 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,240 to these sorts of events when there's opportunities. 898 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,200 And that's. Yeah. 899 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:16,880 All right, back to to Keely for a SEC and leaving coming up on 900 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,120 Thursday. Are you going? 901 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,920 I was thinking about it, but it's probably going to be a bit 902 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,120 tricky. Yeah, Thursday. 903 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:30,560 Badly. So do we know yet who's in this 904 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,280 field like? Siggy Deguma is in this idea, or 905 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:40,040 Audrey Werro is in this field. OK, so but if you're the 906 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,920 organizers and you want to set this thing up for a world 907 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,880 record, maybe you tap like for example, like the pacer who 908 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,080 Femka. Had that is the pacer. 909 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,280 At her race. That that is. 910 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:55,240 OK, confirmed. So the ability to go out hard 911 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,560 right there, but I don't know if you're Siggy Deguma or you're 912 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,680 Audrey Wera who is on a tear right now. 913 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:08,360 Like race, get into it. Like don't just seed the lead 914 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,880 and like the spot right behind the pacer to Keely. 915 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,760 I think like go for it. Who knows, it could be your day. 916 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,280 If not, you blow up and you run 157. 917 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,640 That's OK, it's a little good day, but. 918 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:26,240 I actually, as I'm definitely critical of all athletes and we 919 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,520 have Americans who do it who don't show up for the finals. 920 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,800 I actually really appreciate that Keely ran this without 921 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,840 rabbits or lights. Like to me, that's worth a lot, 922 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,080 just like from a potential of what she can do in the next 923 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,240 scenario. But Chris, I'm with you. 924 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,000 Like this is actually just a good race like Deguma, Werro and 925 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,840 Keely. I mean, obviously Keely's the 926 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,360 favorite, but you're not finding many more people who are going 927 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,360 to be competitive with her better than that. 928 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,640 Yeah. So I, I just think that even 929 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,880 though it's marketed as Keely's world record attempt or like, 930 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,160 it's very much that's what everyone has their eyes on. 931 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,800 Like what we learned at the World Championships last last 932 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,040 year is like, you could be Lily Nodira, have that same sort of 933 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,480 mentality be like, no, like I can still try and win this race 934 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,360 and like it, it can happen. So are we in for like a a world 935 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,240 record? I think likely yes. 936 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,840 If, if, if it is just sort of going to be chalk and Keely gets 937 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,760 it, But I'd like to see Audrey Barrow end up, who knows, 2nd 938 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,520 and moves into the spot that Keely's currently occupying, 939 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,840 like on the all time list. But yeah, I I just want to see a 940 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,320 a good race, even though it's going to be set up to be a world 941 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,800 record attempt. So that's just I, I, I think in 942 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,680 general now, and we were talking about this in the group chat. 943 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,520 Is that just times just and Cole said it too. 944 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,600 They're just broken. Like they don't mean anything to 945 00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:02,120 me. A world record is cool, but the 946 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,560 fact that there are other people in the race that you have to 947 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,120 beat in order to get it, I think is just always going to be more 948 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,520 valuable. You sound like someone who just. 949 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,240 Lost. His final world record, yeah. 950 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,840 Yeah, yeah, I mean, race us if you want to take that for me, 951 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,440 no, but I, I do think I'd like, and that's, I think the 952 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,200 appreciation of the leaving field being good is you got to 953 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,960 beat people. And when people just fight for 954 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,640 the positions and that, it's just, it's worth more. 955 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,280 And the, the perspective of how much better you are versus other 956 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,880 people because, you know, compared to 2002 when they 957 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,440 didn't have the same advantages to run faster than that time. 958 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,680 It's like, all right, well, like the shoes and this and that and 959 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,560 yadda, yadda, yadda. But like I will, if you beat 960 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,440 Audrey Werro by like a second and a half, now we really have 961 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,080 perspective of how good that is. Agreed. 962 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,400 All right, quick predictions. What do we think Keely ends up 963 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,920 running on Thursday? Preet, you lead us off. 154 five 964 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:10,120 I think I I saw how easy she. You're taking more than a 965 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,960 second. She I think the new like 966 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,800 whatever break point is kind of broken the time. 967 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,840 So I don't, I don't think it, it matters. 968 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,720 Like I, I, well, I think, I think the, you, we can see the 969 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:26,040 all time list has been rewritten this indoor season by lots of 970 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:31,360 people and we haven't seen times close to this other than Keely's 971 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,960 time in like 20 years. And suddenly 5 or 6 people are 972 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,440 running that quick makes zero sense otherwise. 973 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:44,600 So I think it is, it's going to be, you know, I think you're 974 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,640 looking at more like comparison to what outdoor times you could 975 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,200 run. And given how good she looked 976 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,800 opening up in 156, I think if when she's going for it, she's 977 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,920 going to run along because she's going to go out harder. 978 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,520 I think then she went out at British and she went out in the 979 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,920 57. I think he's going to go out in 980 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,240 the 56. And yeah, we'll see what happens 981 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:08,280 from there. Hal, what do you think she runs? 982 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:15,520 155 flat. OK, I'll be I'm going to take 983 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,400 the highest one. I'm going to say 155.6 just 984 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,680 under for now. And then like who knows? 985 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,440 I mean like this isn't her last 800 of the year. 986 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,400 Could be more in the tank. She's also still super young. 987 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,240 Is she 2324 at this point? Yeah, she's born on the the same 988 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,080 day as that that world record. So I would. 989 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:43,800 Oh yeah. 2000, 2002, yeah, yeah. So yeah, she'll tank 24 I think. 990 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,800 All right. Yeah, in in May. 991 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,680 All right, Next up, we're going to talk Ellie Saint Pierre, 992 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:59,360 running 417.83 world lead in the mile, but also an American 993 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,800 indoor 1500 meter record and route. 994 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:08,600 She split 359.3, took that record back from her former 995 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,520 training partner Heather McLean. The I. 996 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,280 The depth behind her was also really, really impressive where 997 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,800 you had I think it was 3. The next three finishers were 998 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,120 also under the previous NCAA indoor mile record. 999 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,960 I was impressed by Wilma Nielsen going for it like from from 1000 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,040 Oregon, very gutsy run. She did not end up getting the 1001 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:38,480 record because it was Riley Chamberlain who was the superior 1002 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,640 BYU athlete of the day. I think a lot of people maybe 1003 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,240 were thinking beforehand was like, oh, OK, Jane is going to 1004 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:48,400 try and dip under 420 and put this thing out of reach. 1005 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,880 I think the record before this is 4/24, I think by by Shalana 1006 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:58,000 Yieldis and it yet Riley Chamberlain very underrated at 1007 00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,720 the moment. I think for someone who's really 1008 00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:03,520 good, just because I think there's just so much allure and 1009 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,560 or I guess is the kids are saying to Jane and how 1010 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,240 accomplished she's been just right off the bat as a freshman. 1011 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,960 But Riley is right lock and step with her and I think deserves a 1012 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:21,720 bit more shine. And then, of course, with Ali, I 1013 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,640 mean just continues to be a force. 1014 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:30,040 And this was a really, really fun race all things considered. 1015 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,920 But I think the thing I keep coming back to was impressive 1016 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,640 run by Ellie to go after it because I think this thing was 1017 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,480 paced at two O 7 through 800. So trying to get into that 414 1018 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,840 stratosphere, which I think the only person there right now is 1019 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,760 what can Zebede Baba from couple from from years ago. 1020 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,840 And I think if Ellie firmly believes that she's in that 1021 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,640 level of fitness, maybe just takes another another crack at 1022 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,280 the mile. But I don't think we'll get that 1023 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,960 between now and world indoors. But fitness is there. 1024 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,880 But yeah, those were my sort of general thoughts on it. 1025 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,640 I I came away very impressed with so many different people in 1026 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,040 this one. And the, the the big three 1027 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,760 definitely were Ellie Willman Nielsen and Riley Chamberlain. 1028 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,840 Kyle. Yeah, I mean, Ellie obviously 1029 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,000 ran great, but not a surprise at this point, No. 1030 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,840 And that's that's her own fault for being so good that we 1031 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,840 expected it. I will say that this performance 1032 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:34,160 from Riley Chamberlain, I has me thinking is like, is this the 1033 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,960 breakout performance that we're going to look back on in the 1034 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,000 summer and be like, all right, that's when we knew she could 1035 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,000 make, you know, top three at US champs. 1036 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,760 Is that is this like, you know, the real coming out? 1037 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,160 And she's had great races before and she's proven that she can 1038 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,960 win races and that she has a great kick. 1039 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,920 But 420 is now a different level than anything we've seen out of 1040 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,040 her. So really impressed by her. 1041 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,560 And then also to your point, like Wilma, just like 1042 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,480 fierceness, just sticking her nose in it and going out so 1043 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,040 hard. You walk away from an effort 1044 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,560 like that and you've unlocked something in yourself. 1045 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,320 Two weeks from now, when you know you go out at a more 1046 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,360 reasonable pace, all of a sudden you feel incredible so and so to 1047 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,960 believe Women's Mile is setting up to be an absolute barn 1048 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,040 burger, like it's unlike anything we've seen. 1049 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,840 It's then. I don't know what the 16th time 1050 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:40,040 is right now, but I've got to imagine that this is by far the 1051 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,520 fastest field that we've ever seen and we've still got weeks 1052 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,600 left in order to fill it out. Yeah, we're going to have to 1053 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,960 probably come up with that graphic at some point of sort of 1054 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,480 just like what is the last time in right now with a month to go 1055 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,080 until NCAS or whatever it is, Where are we at? 1056 00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:01,120 Like we may have already surpassed 2020. 428.34. 28.3 is 1057 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,280 the last time in right now. Who's 428.3 is the 16th best 1058 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,440 time. And even among those, I guess, 1059 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,440 like, BU just produces so many different results, it's hard to, 1060 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,440 like, give time to each individual one. 1061 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,240 But like, in the B heat, I think of this one, it was won by 1062 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,400 Florida freshman Claire Segal in 425. 1063 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,400 Like, very, very impressive performance by the Florida 1064 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,360 freshman. Yeah. 1065 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,520 Fast times out of BU. It feels like that's the 1066 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,200 storyline every single week. Was there anything that 1067 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,200 impressed you from that mile race? 1068 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,320 Yeah, I mean, I think Riley Chamberlain, you've got to give 1069 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,280 her credit, right? She judged her race to 1070 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,840 perfection. And she I think she had a bit of 1071 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,280 help from Jane, who kind of took the pace a little bit and helped 1072 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,640 her kind of catch back up to the front two. 1073 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,280 And then Riley was just able to use her, her speed at the end of 1074 01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,800 the race to, to kind of overtake warmer as well. 1075 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,560 But I mean, yeah, it, it does set us up for that fantastic 1076 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,360 mile at NCAA's. And Wilma Nielsen, I think is 1077 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,080 someone that I, I obviously she won NCAA's and I was very 1078 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,000 impressed because I then saw her the following week, like just a 1079 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,480 few days later, she came over to European indoors and then she 1080 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,800 went to wild indoors. So she literally did the like 1081 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,640 round the world in in like a space of a week and 1/2 or 1082 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,320 something and and did. She had her little Nizomi 1083 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,520 Tanaka. Yeah, exactly. 1084 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,480 And and she was I think first out she's just missed out on the 1085 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,160 final of Euro endorsed by fractions and she was there in 1086 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,440 the 800 even though she obviously just won the mild. 1087 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:41,320 So I think she's she's a multi talented athlete and yeah, I'm 1088 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,360 always very impressed by by her and if she's showing this kind 1089 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,640 of shape again, I think she was injured for a little bit. 1090 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,320 So, so I think it's good to see her, see her back to her best. 1091 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,600 Other results from BU that I want to pull from this weekend. 1092 01:01:54,600 --> 01:02:01,760 Men's 3K, Marco Langan running 734 for the win, just barely 1093 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,320 holding off UNC's Colton Sands. That's the number three time in 1094 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,520 NCA history. BYU freshman Tavon Kitchen, 1095 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,560 who's also very, very good, having a phenomenal freshman 1096 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,800 year, 736 for for 3rd place. But it was the finish of this 1097 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,680 performance. And I think the controversy out 1098 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:24,520 there right now is would you have DQ D him and or was it was 1099 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,800 it a lot? Kyle, what did you think of of 1100 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:33,760 of Marco's finish here? I mean it should be a DQ. 1101 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:39,000 If it was an incident blade championship, he would not be 1102 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,840 the incident blade champ. So explain it to folks who watch 1103 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,400 the video and they're like, why? Why would that warrant ADQ? 1104 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,640 Because you did let the guy by, you can't swing out into the 1105 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,600 outside lanes and then throw an elbow. 1106 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,280 That doesn't mean we don't love Marco. 1107 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,960 I think this is part of the reason why he has become must 1108 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:03,840 watch is because seemingly every single time he finishes it's 1109 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:08,680 dramatic and you get in a hell of an interview afterwards. 1110 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:14,960 But I think it's it's good that he think that he didn't get DQ 1111 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,240 because he already had the time in theory. 1112 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,800 However, at New Balance, they didn't have enough collegians in 1113 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,240 the race when he ran the 3K there in order for it to be 1114 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,600 eligible to qualify for an incident like, you know, race or 1115 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,520 incident like qualifying time, which, you know, seems like a 1116 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,520 made-up rule that shouldn't exist. 1117 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:40,880 So, and I believe that happened on the in the women's race as 1118 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,880 well, that the collegians didn't have enough. 1119 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,160 I don't know. Is it 3? 1120 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,240 That you need three? Yeah. 1121 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,840 Which? At first I thought the rule was 1122 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,200 like, you need to have three collegiate athletes competing at 1123 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,600 the meet in general. Like I thought that that used to 1124 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,920 be the rule. But then when I heard of this I 1125 01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,440 was like oh damn. I mean, it's like, all right, 1126 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:05,000 well, does Alan Webb's high school mile time count or was 1127 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,640 there not enough high school athletes in the the race? 1128 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,960 All of Cooper Lekkenhouse's raises apparently are not going 1129 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,160 to count if you abide by NCAA rules. 1130 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:20,000 Yeah, so lots of holes in this guy Jeff's argument. 1131 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,520 But yeah, I mean, yes, Marco should have been DQ D I'm glad 1132 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:29,200 he wasn't, because then would we not see him at NCAA's in the 3K? 1133 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,640 That'd be a shame. Listen, the dude has, I don't 1134 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:38,920 think I don't know who handles marketing for calendar months, 1135 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:43,920 but March has issued an nil out to Marco Langan because there's 1136 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,560 no one promoting the month of March harder than Marco Langan. 1137 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,760 So and and here's the thing. If you look at just sort of the 1138 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:57,080 comment sections on like the video clip of him finishing or 1139 01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,920 the YouTube video, it's polarizing and that's great. 1140 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,520 I think it's a phenomenal that people dislike him. 1141 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:12,160 We're in the camp that likes him because so many NCAA stars can 1142 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,200 be buttoned up. And I think this is Kyle. 1143 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,360 If you remember a couple years ago, remember we were having 1144 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,840 dinner with with Malcolm Gladwell and Eugene at World 1145 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,680 Champs and he was saying like, I love the fact that right now, 1146 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,840 and this is in the high school, they were both in high school at 1147 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,520 the time. You can either be a Gary Martin 1148 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,920 fan or you could be a Cade Flat fan. 1149 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,080 And it just kind of goes to show there's there's a different 1150 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,760 flavor for every type of person. You can go for the more buttoned 1151 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:45,400 up person or the more the more opposite brash competitor. 1152 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,880 And that's what Marco is. Love him or hate him, you're 1153 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,160 going to end up watching and he's instantly recognizable. 1154 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,000 You want to watch that interview to see what the hell he's going 1155 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,520 to say afterwards. And that's sort of individuality 1156 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:03,000 is like, so it's it's not all that they're in the at the NCA 1157 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,960 stage. And right now even it's pretty 1158 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,520 wide open. I know like, yeah, you're going 1159 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,600 to have your Bryan Massaos and like Haptam Samuel and in some 1160 01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,680 of these races. But I like that's where Marco 1161 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,680 stands out as sort of like for the crowd that wants to root for 1162 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,600 the All American kid. Like here's the one from New 1163 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:25,840 Jersey. And like, that's who they're 1164 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,080 going to be rooting for. So, yeah. 1165 01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,640 And, and the fact that people, I think, clap back at Marco being 1166 01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,920 like, he shouldn't be talking that way when he hasn't won a 1167 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,800 single thing. It's like, I go back to the fact 1168 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,760 that, like, some of your favorite stars who showcase this 1169 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,080 personality like they weren't winners, It it takes up until a 1170 01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:46,760 certain point and then they start winning. 1171 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,960 So the fact that people will make the argument like he 1172 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,200 doesn't have enough titles to be conducting himself and handling 1173 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,480 himself in that way, like BS, Come on. 1174 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,720 I'm I'm firmly in the Marco Langan is is good for the sport 1175 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,840 camp. Now the the thing that I come 1176 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:07,920 back to is do I want Marco to win and see the blaze? 1177 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:12,880 I definitely want to watch but I'm just imagining how funny an 1178 01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,640 an interview would be if he was on like the opposite side of a 1179 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,560 lean like we. What would we get out of But 1180 01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,880 maybe the funnier interview would be if he wins. 1181 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,400 So this is goes back to your point from last week of just 1182 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,400 sort of like should we give the athletes a microphone for 5 1183 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,480 minutes after they? Well, I think we we should just 1184 01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,320 give Mark and I'm going to meet you off to give him the 1185 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,880 microphone after every race. It doesn't have to be running in 1186 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:41,440 it. That that Chris, it's a good 1187 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,520 point. So maybe we want to see him win 1188 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,400 so we hear what he has to say afterwards. 1189 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,560 But your counter argument to don't give athletes the 1190 01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:53,080 microphone five day after well, the thing that also happened in 1191 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,800 the last week since we brought that up last was like, do we 1192 01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,560 give athletes a microphone after they win? 1193 01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:04,600 Look what that Norwegian is it a biathlete guy who did terrible 1194 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,040 mismanagement of his his his microphone time is just to come 1195 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,840 out and say that he cheated on his his girlfriend Preet. 1196 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,320 What's the story? He he, he was the bronze 1197 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,040 medalist, not the gold medalist, and he actually then had to. 1198 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,560 And they gave him time. As in he he had an interview, 1199 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,960 but then he literally had to apologise to the gold medalist 1200 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,240 for stealing all the limelight later because obviously he'd 1201 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,279 done this. His girlfriend wasn't sure she 1202 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:30,520 wanted to forgive him. So obviously that wasn't really 1203 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,120 going all that well for him. But I think the main thing was. 1204 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,160 I saw that she issued a statement and like when the 1205 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,800 statement came out, I was like, OK, Now it feels like we've just 1206 01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,359 been dragged into like a very like global, like we're in a 1207 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:45,960 group chat now. The fact that we're seeing just 1208 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,479 all of this unfold in, in the in the media and it doesn't seem 1209 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:50,840 like she's taking him back, right? 1210 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,800 Yeah, I don't Well, yeah, I haven't had anything further 1211 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,479 since. But the statement wasn't wasn't 1212 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,319 very promising for the poor guy. But yeah, he yeah, he did have 1213 01:08:58,319 --> 01:08:59,960 to apologize to the gold medalist. 1214 01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:01,520 And I think I didn't think that was the point. 1215 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,040 Right. 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All right. 1251 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,440 So I think that puts a wrap on BU. 1252 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,640 Let's move on over to Barcelona really quick. 1253 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:15,040 Wayne Kolati breaks the American record, finishes second at the 1254 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:20,280 Barcelona half, 66 O Four couple seconds behind her was Taylor 1255 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:24,960 Rowe who also had a really strong run, but Wayne takes 5 1256 01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:26,640 seconds I think off of her record. 1257 01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:36,000 Really strong splits, 3052 at 10 K, 4626 at 15K, one O 231 at 20 1258 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,080 K. I'd have to double check. 1259 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,760 Those might all be either tied or faster than the American 1260 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,240 record, but held strong through 15 K. 1261 01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,280 It's had to really dig deep and fight in the final 6K as like 1262 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,440 fatigue settles in. But All in all, really strong 1263 01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:55,120 performance. I think the thing with Wayne is 1264 01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:59,400 just at this point, we've got to wait so many months before she 1265 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,640 makes her marathon debut in the fall. 1266 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,040 But what this was really good performance it for her first 1267 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,240 time in a Nike uniform. And I guess like it sets up 1268 01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,440 intrigue as to like, do you go to Chicago now that you're a 1269 01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:16,960 Nike athlete and try and run a really fast time on a flak 1270 01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,160 horse? Or do you go to somewhere like 1271 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,920 New York where it's better suited for like her cross 1272 01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,160 country background and try and pull off something similar to 1273 01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,280 what her, you know, former training partner Sharon Lochetti 1274 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,840 pulled off and just win it in your debut. 1275 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:37,160 So really, really good performance I think by by Wayne 1276 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,720 Preet. Did you get a chance to watch 1277 01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,240 this one? I didn't get a chance to watch 1278 01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:45,120 it, but yeah, I, I annoyingly couldn't rewind the stream, so I 1279 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,000 turned it on just like a minute after the race finished, which 1280 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,960 was unhelpful, but yeah. And it was a struggle to find 1281 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,920 the results because it's one of those Spanish Rd. 1282 01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,760 Races that never publishes their results for hours or days on 1283 01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,120 end. Which is which? 1284 01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,120 I'm surprised. Oh, I guess the funky parts of 1285 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,400 this whole thing was that Wayne hurt her. 1286 01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,960 Her official record now is one O 6 O 4. 1287 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:13,600 But if you look, if you went by her chip time, she was actually 1288 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,040 3 seconds back of like the leader. 1289 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,600 So it's like gun goes off and then she's got to find her way 1290 01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,840 to the to the start. 3 seconds is what it cost. 1291 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:26,840 So all of her splits were actually based off of her chip 1292 01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,920 time 3 seconds faster. So there was a little bit of a 1293 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,600 discrepancy at the very beginning, but I guess gun time 1294 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,560 is what they're going to go off of, for the record. 1295 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,280 And so it's one O 6 O 4, so yeah. 1296 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,480 I want to see her in Boston just having such a great history at 1297 01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:47,040 the Manchester Road Race, which has an unbelievably steep uphill 1298 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,680 followed by a very steep downhill, and she's always 1299 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,840 excelled on that. Feel like she's kind of built 1300 01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,520 for Boston. Boston be would be really fun 1301 01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,000 over on the men's race. Was it Hagos Kebberwood who won? 1302 01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,880 The Yep Yep, 58 O. He's gonna be he's gonna be good 1303 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,520 in London. Not enough people talking about 1304 01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,560 him. Where of course, yeah, you got 1305 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:13,600 SAW Kipilimo and then the debut of Yomi Kejelcha, but Hagos is 1306 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,120 Hagos looks like he's made for the. 1307 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,040 Roads, yeah, I think he he's run 57 before as well. 1308 01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,560 Like he, he's definitely done well in the half in build UPS 1309 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,520 towards foals. I never try to read too far into 1310 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,480 half marathons if they don't go well because hey, if you're 1311 01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:35,200 running 160 miles that week, you know, it makes sense that you're 1312 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:40,160 not going to be ripping 1/2. So then when they do go well, a 1313 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,560 part of me is like, are you training hard enough? 1314 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,160 Like should you be running more? Should you be able to run so 1315 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,920 fast in 1/2 marathon? Unless he's just ready to run 1316 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:53,600 like 2O one, at which point then it's you know the the 58 O will 1317 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,840 look appropriate in retrospect. So, and and I guess like this 1318 01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,880 would be going back to whatever your job was, you know, in the 1319 01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,600 past year or so, you're dealings with like, Hey, ghosts, right 1320 01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,840 with it's it's kind of crazy to think like, oh, did he leave the 1321 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,480 track too soon when he's been on the he's. 31, yeah. 1322 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,800 But he's no, no. But he also he was what, at the 1323 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,400 Olympics in 2012? Like, yeah, yeah, in the, he's 1324 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,120 been in the track game for a while that this moved to the 1325 01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,400 roads entirely. But like, was that kind of 1326 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:29,200 signaled to you? I guess like last year was like, 1327 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,600 oh, this is the last year to really get the best out of him 1328 01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,560 on the track. No, and I, I, but I do think 1329 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,320 it's an appropriate year for a lot of people to move to the 1330 01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,280 roads. Just the lack of world 1331 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,320 Championship. So I didn't necessarily know 1332 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:49,760 that he was going to be moving to London, but I think it it's 1333 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,680 going to set up well. I think he's even the way he's 1334 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,760 raced on the track historically, just he loves a good pace. 1335 01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:02,680 So we'll see. I think he, I mean, I almost 1336 01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,200 wish he wasn't such a stacked field for him to be debuting 1337 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,040 right like now you're in someone else's world. 1338 01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:13,480 Like in a slightly less stacked field, you have some ability to 1339 01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:15,960 dictate what's happening. But it takes the pressure off, 1340 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,440 too. I feel like you can. 1341 01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,400 All you can do is go out and surprise folks. 1342 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,920 I think if you finish on the podium in your debut and you 1343 01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,320 beat Yomi Kajelcha, who's going to get a lot of attention, then 1344 01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,200 that'll be pretty damn, pretty damn good, all things 1345 01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:32,360 considered. But then again if SAW runs two O 1346 01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,280 1 at the front of the race or to PIMO, it's like then everyone 1347 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,160 kind of ignores the fact that like oh actually did you miss 1348 01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,520 the fact that he goes get what debuted in 2O2? 1349 01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:43,120 I can't get over how good London's going to. 1350 01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:45,920 Be can be really good. I'm really looking forward to 1351 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:46,960 that. All right. 1352 01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,400 Some other results that I just want to quickly hit and you guys 1353 01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,240 can tell me if you have any quick takes on it. 1354 01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:58,920 But I just wanted to acknowledge Jordan Anthony runs 6.43 for the 1355 01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,440 60, tying him for 9th on the all time list. 1356 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,000 Kind of what the way I said it was like, oh, OK. 1357 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,800 So for all the people who thought that like that when 1358 01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,640 dated 97 that he ran last year, it's like, no, actually like 1359 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:13,080 Jordan Anthony's probably getting closer to that level of 1360 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,120 fitness and we forget that the fact that like it's his top end 1361 01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:17,640 speed that really makes him better. 1362 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,960 So if he's working on this and like come outdoor season, like, 1363 01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:25,680 get ready to not be shocked if you see him run 97 high. 1364 01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:31,000 Yeah, previous PB 647, so a nice little jump down. 1365 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,520 He didn't look great earlier in the season, so I I feel like 1366 01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,800 this was a little unexpected to see him drop. 1367 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:41,000 This also beat a really good field, so very, very promising. 1368 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:48,320 We had Caleb McRae runs 44.52, which is the, I guess they're 1369 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,960 calling it the provisional world record right now with a couple 1370 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,640 different asterisks because technically it's the second 1371 01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,800 fastest ever run indoors, but it could become the world record if 1372 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,720 it gets ratified. So the hesitation there is 1373 01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,160 because the 400 meter indoor world record has had it just a 1374 01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:09,200 little bit of a history of marks not being accepted because 1375 01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,560 either there's been technicalities like false start 1376 01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,160 detection systems missing from like the starting blocks or 1377 01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:21,480 starting block certification issues, competitions not being 1378 01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:25,840 on the World Athletics calendar. So hopefully Caleb McRae checked 1379 01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,040 all the boxes here so that this thing could be a world record. 1380 01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,600 Probably a nice bonus in your contract if if you're able to 1381 01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,600 get it, it's. A great race. 1382 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:42,320 I feel like, you know, he ran 43 high last year but didn't come 1383 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,160 away with the medal from the World Championships. 1384 01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,960 And so I I think a lot of people don't necessarily know Caleb 1385 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,960 McRae yet. Actually, like one of his 1386 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,360 biggest breakouts was at world relays. 1387 01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,880 He split unbelievably fast. I I forget the exact thing. 1388 01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:01,560 But now this is an opportunity for his name to be up at the top 1389 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,080 of the list. He beat Dream Richards handily 1390 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,960 here. Really, really strong. 1391 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:13,600 And you know, there's still 44 five still feels relatively weak 1392 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:18,400 for an indoor 400 world record. I, I, I think there's time to 1393 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,920 give there just in general. Yeah. 1394 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,560 And well, it's also just sort of like the the top 1% doesn't 1395 01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,200 necessarily always run it. And I mean, so in a similar 1396 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,120 sense, it's like when we look at just sort of Noah Lyles running 1397 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,760 his first indoor 200 in what, five years or so? 1398 01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:41,720 He runs 20.56, first indoor 200 since 2021, personal best. 1399 01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,680 It's been just like a interesting season for Noah this 1400 01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:50,440 indoor season where he's run 2-3 hundreds, a 60, now this 200. 1401 01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,320 He's racing across like more distances and like formats. 1402 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,640 I guess that's sort of what the off year is for. 1403 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,680 It's like you can just experiment and like there's just 1404 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,720 these lower risks. But what I want to focus on with 1405 01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:11,240 Noah is the fact that after the race Breed shaking his head, he 1406 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,560 tweeted. Fayetteville, you have easily 1407 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,960 just jumped into the top five. Best crowds I've ever performed 1408 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,360 for. So that got us thinking in our 1409 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:21,440 text group. It's like. 1410 01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:24,840 Who's who did who did it bump out of the top five? 1411 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,880 Who did it bump out of the top five of some of these 1412 01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,720 performances where he either where he won gold medals in 1413 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,400 front of sold out stadiums that have you know, thousands and 1414 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,840 thousands of people. It could be Doha 2019. 1415 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:44,080 You'll never forget your first Eugene 2022 in front of a home 1416 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,480 crowd and and breaking the American record. 1417 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:53,760 Budapest 2023 amazing, I think atmosphere there and he pulled 1418 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:58,760 off the double Paris where he won the Olympic gold medal in 1419 01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:03,600 the 100 in a crazy photo finish Tokyo. 1420 01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,680 He was that crowd absolutely loved him and all of his and 1421 01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,400 just like all the animized stuff too that he loved. 1422 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:19,320 And so I think if I'm looking at those 5, does it bump Eugene off 1423 01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:19,840 of? Those Doha. 1424 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,560 Probably well also Doha wasn't. That great, I think, but but 1425 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,880 London, he, he comes to London Diamond League every year and 1426 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,200 that's a 60,000 seater. He loves that. 1427 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,160 The New York The New York City Grand Prix is like essentially 1428 01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,680 the Noah Lyles show, too. The New Balance injured Grand 1429 01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:37,680 Prix, right? Like they always do it up for 1430 01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,520 him too. I, I mean, I've raced in 1431 01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:41,440 Fayetteville. It's. 1432 01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,440 In February. Yeah, I think I've been at this 1433 01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:46,240 meet. I don't really remember like 1434 01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,120 being in my top 30. I mean, it's a nice place, but 1435 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,120 it's just like a regular season Arkansas meet. 1436 01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:58,800 Yeah, that's, I mean. I I felt bad teeing up this, 1437 01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,160 this part of the segment because then I went to the Twitter 1438 01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,480 replies to it because I thought it was like, oh, there's 1439 01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:06,960 definitely someone clowning on him for this tweet. 1440 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,320 But then it's all people from Arkansas being like, thank you 1441 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:11,960 for coming. Like this was awesome to see. 1442 01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:18,120 So in a way it is nice when the top stars go to places on home 1443 01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,600 soil. But at the same time, I'm still 1444 01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,760 not giving him a ton of credit for also racing at a college 1445 01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,800 meet for free. Like if so much of his argument 1446 01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,280 last year was I'm the biggest star in the world, I deserve to 1447 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,680 get paid a ton of money and like I need to go to places where I'm 1448 01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,400 going to be seeing an increase my visibility. 1449 01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,560 It's like, well, you just raced at a college meet for free on a 1450 01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,320 where the most were. I think people have seen of it 1451 01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:44,960 is just like a couple Twitter clips. 1452 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,920 I don't even remember where to watch this thing live. 1453 01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,760 Is it like ESPN3 or something like that? 1454 01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,200 So yeah, it's been, it's just, it was just, it just stood out 1455 01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:54,600 to me. I was just like, there's no way. 1456 01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,440 Fayetteville in February is top five greatest track and field 1457 01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:59,200 atmospheres. He also doesn't turn up at the 1458 01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,080 Milrose Games. I'm sure Milrose would crack top 1459 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,160 five if you wanted if you wanted to go to that. 1460 01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,440 Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of top 1461 01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:13,320 stars strategies are essentially like meet my full appearance fee 1462 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,280 or like I'm not racing at all. And so it's almost just like go 1463 01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,480 to a college meet where there's just no appearance fees and you 1464 01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:23,960 don't hurt your value if you if you follow me. 1465 01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,920 So it's like if you go to a second tier Diamond League, but 1466 01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,360 they don't meet your full appearance fee, then like you're 1467 01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,160 devaluing yourself. That's like the philosophy. 1468 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,040 So that's why what's my fix? World Athletics should come in 1469 01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:41,960 and stop counting certain marks or something like like it just 1470 01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:48,480 in the way that the NCAA is saying that if you are running 1471 01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:51,840 meet and you don't have enough NCAA athletes, it doesn't count. 1472 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,120 I think World Athletics should say if you're not at least a 1473 01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,560 world tour silver or whatever, then it doesn't count. 1474 01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,000 And then or bronze, sorry, world tour bronze, it doesn't count. 1475 01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,960 And then we get rid of all BU times and all Arkansas times and 1476 01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:11,320 all all the the things that frustrate us as fans of when 1477 01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,240 people show up and run at nothing races. 1478 01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,440 I agree. I mean he's running indoor 2. 1479 01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:16,680 101 of those marks that wouldn't. 1480 01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:19,520 Count who came, who came. So wow. 1481 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:26,800 But I wanted to touch on this. So the indoor 200 is hasn't been 1482 01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,000 in the World Indoor Championships since 2004 and the 1483 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,960 current world record is from Frankie Frederick's. 1484 01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:39,560 It's 1992 from 1996. Why? 1485 01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:43,000 Why is it not in the World indoor championships like the 1486 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,200 200? Like one lap around the facility 1487 01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:51,360 doesn't make that seems like if I was starting from scratch and 1488 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,160 I was putting on a world indoor championship and it's like, all 1489 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:54,200 right, what events are we going to have? 1490 01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,640 I'd be all right. Well, obviously one lap. 1491 01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,240 That would be my first event I would include. 1492 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,880 And then two laps, and then two laps and. 1493 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,000 Then I would probably throw in Mondo in the Volvo. 1494 01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,680 And so yeah, I just, I don't understand why the 200 isn't. 1495 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,840 Included but it's it's the downside of it's such a 1496 01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,240 disadvantage to be in the inside lanes, right? 1497 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,840 So what used to happen was when they had it in the world indoor 1498 01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,480 championships, if you didn't get the outside 2 lanes, you'd 1499 01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:25,960 basically scratch. So they had these ridiculous 1500 01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,480 finals where like half a field would scratch and it was all 1501 01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:30,880 this kind of stupid stuff going on. 1502 01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,200 So yeah. And I guess running that quick 1503 01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,960 round the bends for like the really top athletes is maybe 1504 01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,720 more of an injury risk as well, potentially. 1505 01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:44,200 But yeah. Do we do like an F1 sort of 1506 01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:48,280 thing where everyone just steps on the track and races nobody 1507 01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,520 and then we compare? Is that the like we we just time 1508 01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,600 trial if that is such a big issue because look, no one wants 1509 01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,440 to run in lane one. I I understand and it is a 1510 01:25:57,480 --> 01:25:59,560 completely different race and you don't have a shot for 1511 01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,960 someone in lane 6. That being. 1512 01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,600 It would be a fun it. Would be fun. 1513 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,080 I was going to say my favorite actually moment of the weekend, 1514 01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,640 ironically, was the indoor 200 and that were champs, which you 1515 01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,560 might think what what, what was he on about? 1516 01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:18,560 So there's a bizarre stat that the championship record for the 1517 01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:23,000 British Championships is set by Merlin Otte back in 1990, who 1518 01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,840 turned up to the British Championships and ran 23 O 7. 1519 01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:32,600 And that was broken by Renee Regis, who is the daughter of 1520 01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:37,720 John Regis, who is a world two time world medallist of the 200, 1521 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,920 in fact, a 200 meter indoor world champion in 1989, in fact. 1522 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,560 So there you go. And now a super. 1523 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:45,880 Agent and now a super agent as well. 1524 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:50,600 But yeah, the fun part was that that record got broken, so we 1525 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,840 got to talk about merely the OT setting a British Indoor 1526 01:26:53,840 --> 01:27:01,280 Championship record. Yeah, it I there were also I 1527 01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,320 think I saw a couple tweets or maybe even Ben Anderson, who was 1528 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,240 saying like, if Noah breaks 20, they should add this thing back 1529 01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,720 into the World Indoor Championships or it's like an 1530 01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,080 event like more worthy. And then he didn't do it. 1531 01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:18,600 And so I guess it's fine to just kind of scrap that whole idea. 1532 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:22,360 I forget who said that, but I was like, really, we're that 1533 01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,600 hung up on. And and I think it was that that 1534 01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,600 moment where I kind of remembered I was like, wait, oh, 1535 01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,600 this thing isn't contested at World Indoors. 1536 01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,800 It was so All in all, a funky one. 1537 01:27:31,480 --> 01:27:33,920 Would you describe Noah's season so far as odd? 1538 01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,160 Because I do find it a little odd just with the bouncing 1539 01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,080 around, but it is an off year I guess. 1540 01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:43,880 Yeah, I mean, it's just do whatever. 1541 01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,840 I guess we're just waiting. Some people take indoors very 1542 01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,040 seriously, but like, how many top sprinters have we not seen 1543 01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:51,800 at all? So at least we're seeing some. 1544 01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,240 Of and he's getting married in. April he's I don't understand 1545 01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:55,800 the WWE belt. Yeah. 1546 01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:57,160 That Oh yeah, that's. True. 1547 01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,200 Yeah, I didn't understand. I was going to say he looked 1548 01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:00,760 absolutely ridiculous with that thing. 1549 01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,600 It's like, what was that all about? 1550 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:08,840 Well, it's his club that I believe like, isn't it? 1551 01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,680 Like it's not. The pure athletics, yeah, it's 1552 01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,520 just their. Specific team? 1553 01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,640 So if someone from a different team beats them, do they take 1554 01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:18,160 it? I don't know. 1555 01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,040 And then here's the thing. It's like, I think this thing 1556 01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,440 wasn't rolled out like with enough context. 1557 01:28:22,440 --> 01:28:25,480 If it's just like to your Instagram following, I don't 1558 01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:27,840 think everyone else in that stadium understands it. 1559 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,440 They just see you with a really cool belt. 1560 01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,280 I'm pro belt. Like I think belts are should 1561 01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,120 exist. I think that's why. 1562 01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,240 That's why we need Cole to go take down Isaac Nader so he 1563 01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:43,000 could take the belt. However, if it's just your club, 1564 01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,320 yeah, I know we need more context. 1565 01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:50,360 We need more context, though. Another quick one. 1566 01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:52,080 Elaine Thompson hurrah. You remember her? 1567 01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:56,600 She won the gold medal in the 100 and the 200 at the Tokyo 1568 01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:00,240 Olympics. Hasn't competed in over 600 1569 01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,880 days. I think it was 615 days between 1570 01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:08,440 her last race. She returned with a 7.2460m 1571 01:29:08,440 --> 01:29:12,960 outdoors in Jamaica. Really finished third in the 1572 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,200 race. Wouldn't be all that much of A 1573 01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:20,160 of a result to note, but it except the fact that it's her, 1574 01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,120 she's back to competing. That's nice. 1575 01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:28,120 Also, the wind was -1.7. So when you even look at the 1576 01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:32,400 time, like despite not even getting the win, I think it was, 1577 01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,640 it was a solid showing. And it's good to see her back 1578 01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,120 appears to be unsponsored. She was wearing like I think 1579 01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,640 like her old Puma kit with like Adidas spikes. 1580 01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:44,880 But yeah, Elaine Thompson hurrah is the comeback is is on. 1581 01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:48,680 So I don't know what the best case scenario is for her here. 1582 01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:53,080 Is it just sort of just qualify? It's it seems like a really tall 1583 01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,600 order to try and qualify for like the World Ultimate 1584 01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,520 Championships, but getting a good healthy season. 1585 01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,280 Might be the defending Commonwealth champion so she she 1586 01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,320 rocked up in 20220. Really. 1587 01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,960 You didn't know that, Chris. She might come back and defend 1588 01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,240 their Commonwealth Games. I think she did the double in 1589 01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,240 2023. Here's one for you, Preet. 1590 01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:12,920 You were pretty astounded by this one. 1591 01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:18,360 Cordell Tinch jumped 8.29 meters in the long jump this past 1592 01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:22,600 weekend, also at the Tyson Invitational out in Arkansas. 1593 01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,720 It's a mark that I feel like would be pretty competitive at 1594 01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,280 all these other at these recent global championships. 1595 01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,280 And so it kind of got me thinking, I was like, we need to 1596 01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:35,920 bring back sprinters who also jump a la Carl Lewis. 1597 01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:40,200 And so I messaged you and I was like, Preet, is the 110 hurdles 1598 01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:44,200 long jump double possible at the LA Olympics? 1599 01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,040 And what did you? Find So I found you had the long 1600 01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:53,200 jump qualifying on the Sunday, July the 15th, I think it is. 1601 01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:57,960 And then the sorry, yeah, Sunday, July the 16th. 1602 01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:03,200 And then there's the first round of the 110 hurdles on Tuesday, 1603 01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:08,600 July the 18th in the morning and you've then got the long jump 1604 01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,520 final, so it is interspersed a little bit. 1605 01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:14,560 The long jump final is the next day, Wednesday, July 19th in the 1606 01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:19,720 evening session. And then you have the semi final 1607 01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:25,440 of the hurdles the next day, Thursday July 20th in again in 1608 01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:29,480 the afternoon and then the 110 hurdle final on the Friday. 1609 01:31:29,480 --> 01:31:35,120 So you are competing for sort of four days straight and you miss, 1610 01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,480 miss the off day. But it's probably if you it's 1611 01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:39,920 the 110 hurdles and it's only the heats in between. 1612 01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,720 He could probably do it if he really wanted to. 1613 01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,920 And there's repertoire. Repertoire, yes, let's not talk 1614 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:49,560 about the repertoire. If he's in the accord out since 1615 01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,520 gets in the repertoire, it clashes with the men's long jump 1616 01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:53,680 final. So. 1617 01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,720 So then he'll have to scratch from the long jump final. 1618 01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:05,960 The most interesting double of all time was that it's like the 1619 01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,480 2004 ACC championships or something. 1620 01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:13,760 Erin Donahue, if you remember the name, she won the 1500 and 1621 01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,200 the javelin at the same conference meeting. 1622 01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,200 That's I think that that's like the bar of like most absurd 1623 01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:24,240 devils of two different events. Because we've seen just sort of 1624 01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,800 like the Anna Hall runs from like the long jump it to the 1625 01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:32,320 high jump or to the 400 start. But like for Cordell to be at 1626 01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:37,840 the Olympics, going from shifting from hurdles to long 1627 01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:39,360 jump would be very impressive. I guess. 1628 01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,000 Like if we see him at USA Indoors, we're going to ask him 1629 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,040 if he started thinking. About it, I remember the 2024 1630 01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,560 world indoors there was Charisma Taylor, I think it is from she's 1631 01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:52,120 from the Bahamas and she was doing the triple jump and then 1632 01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:56,440 had to run over for her 60 hurdles heats in in the middle 1633 01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,800 of middle of the triple jump final or qualifier or something 1634 01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:04,120 say. Pre can you check the LA 2028 1635 01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,920 schedule and tell me if Jordy Beamish can do the steeple 1636 01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,040 hammer? Throw double or is that? 1637 01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:14,240 Is that possible or is there a rebechage round I can interview? 1638 01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:16,800 I don't think there's a rebechage in the steeplechase, 1639 01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:22,160 but yeah, so you might be safer. All right, Final thing I wanted 1640 01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:28,680 to touch on for this episode is USATF announced after us kind of 1641 01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,600 just throwing some barbs here and there about just sort of we 1642 01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:34,400 don't know where USA is going to be. 1643 01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:38,040 Turns out it's coming to New York and keeping it super easy 1644 01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:42,960 for me and Kyle to attend. So 2026 outdoor championships at 1645 01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,560 Icon Stadium, first time outdoor nationals is in New York City 1646 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:50,000 since 1991 when it was Downing Stadium and then knocked that 1647 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,240 thing down. So that Icon can be there. 1648 01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:58,200 But for the first time since 2021, we're not going back to 1649 01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,960 Eugene. What do? 1650 01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:05,680 What is the opportunity here, Kyle, for New York hosting USA? 1651 01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:10,520 I'll tell you, Sidious Mag is going to save a lot of money and 1652 01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,840 Mac is not happy about the fact that he has to come back. 1653 01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:18,240 The general running community here is fired up. 1654 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,640 Yeah. I like the reaction. 1655 01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:26,640 Like people I think are going to show up and it's not a huge 1656 01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,720 stadium, you know, it's 5000 people. 1657 01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,440 I feel good about Saturday and Sunday for sure. 1658 01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:37,760 I think especially being in quote UN quote off year where 1659 01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:43,280 USA's is really not necessary. No one was going to go to 1660 01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,000 Eugene. I think we were going to have 1661 01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:50,120 really, really sparse crowds and sparse fields, and I think the 1662 01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:54,960 novelty of New York hopefully inject some life into what could 1663 01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,560 otherwise have been an underwhelming championship. 1664 01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,400 Yeah, I know. And it does feel like the 1665 01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,680 there's a lot you can do with the running community here. 1666 01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,560 I feel like it's just sort of like it's ripe for brand 1667 01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:09,960 activations. We've already got some ideas and 1668 01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:15,920 some meetings set up to find some cool ways to bridge that 1669 01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:20,080 gap between the recreational runner and also the track and 1670 01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,040 field side of things. And we're hoping to bring some 1671 01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:27,360 of that to life. But I guess like the what was 1672 01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:29,880 funny about just sort of seeing like all the comments is that 1673 01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:33,600 everyone rejoicing that it's like, oh, we're not, you know, 1674 01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:37,640 having to go to Eugene and you save on airfare and it's great 1675 01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,200 that they're hitting like a big major market. 1676 01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:43,360 I don't know if I buy entirely into like the oh, we're going to 1677 01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:45,280 tap like this massive media market. 1678 01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,800 It's USA is in an off year. Like I wouldn't get your hopes 1679 01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:49,200 up about like. Daily. 1680 01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:54,040 Or times or anything we're going to cover it yeah, we're going to 1681 01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:58,200 cover it. But also the the whole the 1682 01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,360 qualms I saw about like Eugene being really hard to get to. 1683 01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,640 And I was like, OK, yes, you get to New York, but I, I don't 1684 01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,640 think people realize that icon is not. 1685 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:12,440 You can't take the subway there. Like there's a that final mile 1686 01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:14,840 of getting to the stadium is really hard. 1687 01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,960 So either you're going to have to get really creative about, 1688 01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,000 you know, carpooling with friends. 1689 01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:26,400 Ubering is going to be chaotic, especially after the meet City 1690 01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,120 bike will get you there, but there's only so many docks. 1691 01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,200 Yeah, it's not exactly. Randall's Island is not exactly 1692 01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:37,400 Midtown, and I think people kind of lose sight of that. 1693 01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,760 As they say, oh, thank God we're in New York City. 1694 01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:47,200 It's like. Yeah, not super easy to get to, 1695 01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:53,120 but you know, it's easier than than less expensive than getting 1696 01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,040 to Eugene for a lot of people. But you know, maybe we we do 1697 01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,520 like a Sidious Mag branded ferry. 1698 01:36:59,480 --> 01:37:01,880 And yeah. Yeah, we get everyone over. 1699 01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,000 We're little dingy boats, we bring them over. 1700 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,400 And then the last thing I think is sort of like, you know, with 1701 01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,360 Eugene, everyone complaints about the pollen here. 1702 01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:16,240 We're going to have the, the stench from the, the, the sewage 1703 01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:17,800 plant that's like right next door. 1704 01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:21,440 And I guess like it'll all depend on which way the wind is 1705 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:25,160 blowing. And but that if you're a 10K 1706 01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:31,320 runner, get get the get those nasal strips ready for a very 1707 01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,560 smelly 10K. Look, I know it wasn't like the 1708 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,760 backbone of Mumdani's platform, but you got to give it to him 1709 01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,640 one for one. Ever since he got in office, US 1710 01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:44,320 Champs is here. Yeah, really. 1711 01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:48,040 I think it's here. We got USA indoors and outdoors 1712 01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:49,840 under Mumdani's watch. Look at that. 1713 01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:54,040 What else could you want? Three buses to get? 1714 01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:58,600 Free Stadium. Is there a chance, is there a 1715 01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,240 chance that US indoors is more stacked than outdoors though 1716 01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,880 this year given that there is a championships to qualify for 1717 01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:05,360 indoors while there isn't for outdoors? 1718 01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:09,160 I think the same people. Will be there. 1719 01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:15,080 Honestly, I think that maybe the bottom 5% or bottom 10% who 1720 01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:19,000 competes at USA Indoors won't qualify for USA Outdoors. 1721 01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,600 It's like I still think that people will turn out this year 1722 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:27,480 and there's more events come outdoor season, All right? 1723 01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:32,360 I think that does it. We touched on a lot from BU to 1724 01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:39,640 JDL to Barcelona, and we've got leave in this upcoming weekend. 1725 01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,280 Anything else that's on the calendar for this weekend? 1726 01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,360 Even on. Thursday. 1727 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,440 So, yeah, so there's a meet meet at the same stadium where Wild 1728 01:38:48,440 --> 01:38:51,480 Indoors is, and that's the last gold meet of the season. 1729 01:38:51,480 --> 01:38:55,600 So in terms of people sort of running fast times and doing 1730 01:38:55,600 --> 01:39:00,160 doing doing stuff ahead of Wild Indoors, that's probably the the 1731 01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,720 last big option. And there's Abu last chance meet 1732 01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:07,040 on Sunday as well. So I think like BU is also the 1733 01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:11,320 domestic option for certain folks, but that does it for this 1734 01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:14,040 week in track and field. Next week, US Indoor 1735 01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:18,840 Championships preview, because before we know it, that'll be 1736 01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,520 here. But it's been a blast. 1737 01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:23,560 Thanks everyone for listening. We'll see you next time. 1738 01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,000 All right, that's a wrap on today's episode. 1739 01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:31,000 Thanks for listening, for the time, the curiosity, and for 1740 01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,720 making this show part of your routine or your run. 1741 01:39:34,440 --> 01:39:37,040 Big thanks to our producer Jasmine Fair, and to everyone 1742 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,080 behind the scenes who helps make the Sidious Mag Podcast happen. 1743 01:39:40,440 --> 01:39:42,520 If you enjoyed today's episode, a quick five star review on 1744 01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:46,400 Apple Podcast or Spotify helps people find this show and we 1745 01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,280 read every single one. You can find 1746 01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:52,120 muchmoretrackandfieldcoverage@sidiousmag.com and you can follow along across 1747 01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:53,680 all of Sidious Mag social channels. 1748 01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:56,040 We'll see you next time. 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