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My guest for today's episode is 38 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,080 Oblique Seville, the new 100m world champion and the man who 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,880 brought Jamaica back to the top of men's sprinting on a human 40 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,960 night in Tokyo back in September. 41 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,960 Yes, we're still doing these World Championship recaps. 42 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,880 Oblique Seville ran 9.77 seconds to win his first global title, 43 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,480 the fastest championship final in six years and the first for a 44 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,640 Jamaican man since Usain Bolt. It was a performance years in 45 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:22,280 the making and the fulfillment of potential that we've had seen 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,520 so many flashes of since he was 21 years old and running 986 for 47 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,160 4th place at the World Championships. 48 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,040 In past championships it was always something an injury here, 49 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,200 a tight growing there or a perfect semi final became one 50 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,720 race too soon. But this year was different, 51 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,920 with two big Diamond League victories, a healthy build up 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,400 and a conviction that his time had come. 53 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,240 He said in the mix zone, this is my year, I'm going to take this 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,080 moment and no one is going to take it away from me. 55 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,200 And he backed that up. In this episode, we'll talk 56 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,000 about how you made it happen, the lessons learned from 57 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,960 setbacks, the mentorship of the legendary coach Glenn Mills, and 58 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,800 what it means to carry Jamaica's legacy forward after Usain Bolt. 59 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:07,720 Oblique Seville isn't loud, and he doesn't need to be. 60 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,960 His running does all the talking. 61 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,680 So, without further ado, please welcome the world's fastest Man, 62 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:26,120 Oblique Seville. All right. 63 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,000 And now I'm joined by Oblique Seville, the world champion at 64 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,120 100 meters, the world's fastest man. 65 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,280 All right, Well, actually help me settle that debate. 66 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,280 Is that the title that you can claim, or how do you feel about 67 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,680 the whole entire thing? Do you feel like you're the 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,920 world's fastest man? Of course I feel like I'm the 69 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,360 world's fastest man because I'm the one that won a world 70 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,360 championship, so why not? I am the one. 71 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,760 Yeah. All right, we'll go with it for 72 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,240 this show for sure. All right. 73 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,120 So bleak. It's been a couple of months 74 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,080 since Tokyo. How's it, how's the celebration 75 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,520 been? And on top of that, are we back 76 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,920 to work when it comes to fall training or not? 77 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,560 Not yet. Still enjoying the break? 78 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,480 I'm nothing but my my time was experts. 79 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,800 So I'm back to work now. So I have to get the job done 80 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,440 for next year. So I'm honey. 81 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,680 What was the best part of the celebration? 82 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,160 Obviously you just lot of attention, lot of media, but 83 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,959 when you took a moment to reflect on everything and enjoy 84 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:20,720 it, I mean what? What was the best part? 85 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:23,840 When I crossed that finishing line and I realized that I won 86 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:27,800 that race and I ripped my shirt off, I was like, yeah, that was 87 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,440 one of our best, best moment. And to celebrate today, had a 88 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,240 treat. Two guys around the truck. 89 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,560 It was a moment for me. It was like a dream come true, 90 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,320 something that I have been wanting for years. 91 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,800 I have dreamt about that moment and I finally get that moment. 92 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,360 So it's just for me to be consistent and stay on top at 93 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,480 all time. We'll jump around just 94 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,800 throughout like your career and especially focusing on on this 95 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,640 year, but I'm just so, so curious about just, you know, 96 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,800 for you, I mean, the instant you ripped off the, the, the top, 97 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,160 was that something that in your mind like you rehearsed or or 98 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,080 had thought of, you know, because when you've dreamt of 99 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,880 this moment for so long, it's easy in practice to visualize 100 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,560 just sort of how you would celebrate such a thing and was 101 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,600 always ripping the top like the first thing that came to you or 102 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,840 was that just pure emotion in that moment? 103 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,200 I think it was just pure emotion when I RIP my shirt off because 104 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,360 normally we actually think about our celebration, but in that 105 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,000 specific moment I didn't have any time to think. 106 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,560 I just I just do whatever claims to my mind and then and RIP my 107 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,600 shirt off was one of was one of them. 108 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,840 So. Yeah, it was an amazing moment. 109 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,040 We'll touch on just what that means for, you know, Jamaica 110 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,160 yourself. But I want to go back to just 111 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,240 sort of when you were 10 years old, right? 112 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,880 Like, that is the famous story about you telling your mom that 113 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,320 you wanted to train with Usain Bolt's coach. 114 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,280 Most kids just, you know, dream of these things. 115 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,600 Few people actually, like, go about and and manifest it. 116 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,800 What made that dream real for you? 117 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,840 In my in my, in my young stage of a, of a young kid, I've been 118 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:11,720 doing track and field from a primary school and I've always 119 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,800 said to my mom, I want that man to coach me. 120 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,200 It's like, I don't see, I don't see you seen both running and 121 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,240 everything. And it's like, I want his coach 122 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,520 to coach me. I just a kid just saying that I 123 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,520 never really mean it in anything. 124 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,320 I just say, oh, I just want him to coach me, not knowing that 125 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,800 he's my coach right now. I when I reflect back, he's 126 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,920 like, wow, everything is like it planned out during my stage of 127 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,400 development in in in in primary school, in secondary school and 128 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,560 now I'm at you St. world coach. I was like, is this scripted? 129 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,920 I was like, if this scripted and my mom remind me about it. 130 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,080 I was like, damn, yes, I really said that. 131 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,960 And to see myself under the guidance of you St. 132 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,160 Board coach is something amazing. 133 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,840 Yeah, he's seen Glenn Mills, just generations of, you know, 134 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,800 Jamaican greatness, obviously with Usain Bolt. 135 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,760 What do you think is unique about his training philosophy? 136 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,960 And like, what is he really taught you? 137 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,880 I guess like even going back to like day one, that first 138 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,960 practice that you ever showed up with in like what are the big 139 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,600 parts of his training philosophy that you think has have really 140 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,080 developed and worked well with you? 141 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,640 The relationship that he has with the hardly is play a vital 142 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,760 role to everyone. And he's he's not just a coach. 143 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,840 He literally can be your mentor and someone to talk to. 144 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,560 So I've just feel free to be around that man at all time and 145 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,160 he's how he's going to give me advice as to what's going on as 146 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,960 to if what if I need to improve on this or that because he is 147 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,160 he's that type of guy. He's just have this special 148 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:49,480 ability to know when to make you run very fast and to know when 149 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,720 to take it easy. And I have to give him credit 150 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,720 for that because he has done a good you same board. 151 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,600 He hasn't. You and Blake and so and so many 152 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,920 others can be a testimony as to his coaching ability. 153 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,400 Yeah. So that's the the process and 154 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,720 then actually the other, you know big Pi guess I would in 155 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,640 philosophy that I would focus on too is potential. 156 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,320 How often do you find yourself talking about like the potential 157 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,520 of how fast you can go? Because when he's seen, you 158 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,800 know, the fastest in history, like that's, you know, that's 159 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,960 the benchmark and you know, you want to get there, you want to 160 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,160 surpass that. So how often do you talk about 161 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,280 just potential for yourself? I look at it this way, he has 162 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,760 the two fastest man in the world. 163 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,960 He knows how to make you get faster and faster. 164 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,880 So I said to myself, OK, I'm going to give all my trust to 165 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,120 this man and and to see where my potential takes me. 166 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,919 And that's what we are working on. 167 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:49,920 So wherever my potential takes me, he knows what best for me. 168 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:51,920 So I just leave everything up to him. 169 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,280 What do you think is the biggest thing that he worked on from 170 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,000 like the moment you, you walked in, you know, for your first 171 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,320 practice and like you remember, just like what that athlete was 172 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,400 on day one to where you are now. Where do you think you've seen 173 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,520 the most growth? In my strength development, 174 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,160 because he said to me that I'm too small and too skinny for me 175 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,920 to run the 100m because a lot of people may see me and say, oh, 176 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,680 he's a distant runner because of the my frame and everything. 177 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,560 And he said to me that you need to get very stronger. 178 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,240 You need to put on some weight and stuff. 179 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,800 And I said, yeah, I said OK, fine. 180 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,360 But when I started to put on the weight, it was like, it was like 181 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,560 it was a bit challenging for me because I am not used to it. 182 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,880 And then when I'm be able to used to it now, that's when I 183 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,520 realize what he really meant. I, I, I always go back to just 184 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,320 sort of that, that one famous funny clip of, you know, Fred, I 185 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,960 think called you or was on Instagram live and I think he 186 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,320 called you out for like how much weight you were putting on 187 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,720 before. Was it Budapest? 188 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,440 Yeah, I, I put down a lot of weight after, I think it was 189 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,320 after Budapest, I was like a lot of weight, man. 190 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,640 Because we had a conversation with my coach. 191 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,000 I said, oh, you need to put down some more weight. 192 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,240 But I overstepped. I overstepped that and I put on 193 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,680 more than what I should have put on and it took me a lot of work 194 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:14,560 to get it off and I'm glad that I am glad that none of you guys 195 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,360 have seen me in that in that way, which is why I came off the 196 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,000 live. Those were some some funny 197 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,440 moments, but overall, I think like everyone just describes you 198 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,840 as more quiet and reserved versus like, obviously the stark 199 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,200 contrast is Noah, who wants the spotlight will speak in any 200 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,560 interview that and in front of any microphone that people put 201 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:39,000 in front of him. But how does being so calm and 202 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,080 reserved serve you and is a benefit for you when this is 203 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,360 also like a sport that celebrates and reward? 204 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,600 It's just sort of like the the macho bravado, especially in 205 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,320 like the 100, but for you, like emotionally and just on the 206 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,400 track, you're so even keeled. Good question. 207 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,760 Because for me, I've always said to myself, I know that I'm a 208 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,120 home guy. I know that I know what 209 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,440 situation I should I'm a hintrovert, but there are 210 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,320 certain situation where I can be just as, oh, Noah is, but I'm 211 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,200 not going to take up that because that's just his 212 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,000 personality. So I stick to my personality and 213 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,960 that's what made me become the person that I am and I am not. 214 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,440 I'm not afraid like to, to, to do trash talks and those stuff, 215 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,640 but it just take time and you just take the right time to do 216 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,800 it because you can just get up and say, OK, I'm going to trust 217 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,280 this guy. No, there's a reason. 218 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,760 You have to have a reason behind it and you have to have some 219 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,560 sort of bucket if which you can buck yourself as OK, I'm going 220 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:48,040 to trust this guy and say, OK, then let's see what comes out of 221 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,080 it. And we're going to drive some, 222 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,360 some crowd, some attention to others. 223 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,080 Yeah. And I think like this, you said 224 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,080 it in the interview that you did with, you know, the CBC folks 225 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,160 with with I think it was Perdita and with Aaron, that was like, 226 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,520 you like the live, but you like the rivalry. 227 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,080 Of course I live for it and trust me if he constantly 228 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,640 decent. We are both alike in many ways 229 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,080 but the difference is that I am just a introvert and he's a 230 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,200 extrovert. The moment you speak is the 231 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,680 where is it going to become for you? 232 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:22,160 Because for me, when somebody say anything about me, I say, 233 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,800 OK, fine. He just give me that extra boots 234 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,560 of confidence. And I think it's the same for 235 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,160 him. Because last year at the 236 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,680 Olympics, I know when I when I beat him, he drive. 237 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:35,160 It is literally let him look back in himself and say, OK, I 238 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,800 cannot let this kid get away with this. 239 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,680 And for me, it's just the same. I said when he make his talk, he 240 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:41,400 said, OK, then I'm going to prove you wrong. 241 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,280 But it's just that I don't speak. 242 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,280 I let my actions speak for itself. 243 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,120 I don't. I let my actions speak for 244 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,880 itself on the track. Yeah. 245 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,840 And that's been I think like one of the cool parts is, I mean, 246 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,680 when you were on Sprint, there was your personal story with, 247 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:57,080 you know, your connection with your father that was shared. 248 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,800 And I think a lot of people resonated with that. 249 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,560 But I think like even here in the United States, like there 250 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:05,120 are people who, you know, even though he's American and he 251 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,240 wears USA across his chest, like Noah is not their favorite 252 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,000 because it's like they, you know, would probably go more 253 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,280 towards the introvert who lets, you know, the speaking happen on 254 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,480 the track versus just sort of every single interview and being 255 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,640 loud and brash. But so for you, I mean, it's 256 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:21,880 worked out. What do you think is like the 257 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,480 when people are like oblique Seville fans, like what do you 258 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,600 think it is that really draws them to you versus, you know, 259 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,880 Noah versus Kashane? Because the cool part in the 260 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,920 sport is that everyone has so many options right now to be a 261 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,640 fan of, you know, let's see lay or whoever it might be. 262 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,040 But when it's an oblique Seville fan, the civilians, I guess is 263 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,880 that they were calling themselves on on Twitter. 264 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,880 Like what do you think it is that they really admire about 265 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,640 your approach to the sport? They look at my humbleness 266 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,080 towards the sports and the way that they have brought up. 267 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:56,000 I have brought up in a way which I am the one who stepped in the 268 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,520 forefront of track and field when you say Ball retired 269 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,640 because no one has made the finals after you say ball 270 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,600 retired and I am no one who made that final and sure that Jamaica 271 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,520 can be on top again. So we my fans and I build a 272 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:16,040 relationship short my time of developing in the sports. 273 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,720 So they stick with me. So from from that time, from 274 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,720 that point in time is where I build a relationship with my 275 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,120 fans and my civilian fans. And I say, OK, they never give. 276 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,240 They never give up on me and say, OK, this guy shouldn't is 277 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,880 going to medal one day. And for me I like that a lot 278 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,040 because there are many time I know that I disappoint them and 279 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,360 they still stood by my side and I have created a literal bun or 280 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,240 serious relationship with them knowing that they still support 281 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,040 me through my disappointment and stuff. 282 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,600 So I have to be short to hard my civilian fans under some funds 283 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,640 about here. In addition to your fans, like 284 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,000 you also have an entire country behind you and like when do you 285 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,400 feel, you know, because you were the first guy really to step up 286 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,440 in after Bolt to try and restore, you know, Jamaica on 287 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,360 the podium and you came close many times. 288 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,080 Do you? When did you feel like, you 289 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,960 know, at the very beginning, everyone celebrates just making 290 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,240 there, but then after that, the expectation turns out because, 291 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,880 OK, when is the metal coming? When did you start to feel that 292 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,640 pressure and that spotlight from your own country? 293 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:26,080 I never really felt any pressure to be honest, because we 294 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,240 Jamaican athletes really literally burning that pressure 295 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,840 because our country is, is a highly country that criticize 296 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,720 our athletes very well. And I am used to that show. 297 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,160 If you guys know about boys and girls champs, that's when the 298 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,480 pressure starts. So we we live for that moment. 299 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,480 So that's when the pressure start between the rivalry 300 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,360 between the schools. So I actually, I can say for 301 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,000 myself, that's when I realized the pressure was that serious as 302 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,560 a young age. So when I, when I become a 303 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,760 professional athlete, I wasn't really feeling much pressure. 304 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,440 The only problem that I had with that I had it was that I was 305 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,640 getting injured at the big moments and it took a toll. 306 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,600 And because everyone would me be saying that. 307 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,200 Oh, I have a problem with my head or something like that, but 308 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,640 that's never the case. I was always like, why no, I 309 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,520 have to face this injury right now, at the time when I'm 310 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,480 supposed to be successful, and I still never, I still never give 311 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,680 up. What's more pressure when it 312 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,720 like experiencing getting into the blocks at a champs or at 313 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,000 your first global championship, whether it was I mean Olympics, 314 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,640 22 World Championships, like, like is there a difference in 315 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,200 the intensity of both those stages? 316 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,120 I think it's quite the same because like the first, my first 317 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,280 debut in the finals was like, oh, I don't have anything to 318 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,000 lose. I don't think it's the same. 319 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,160 I'm just, no, I don't think it's the same because in my first 320 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,120 year I was like, I don't have nothing to lose. 321 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,680 But in my years of knowing that I have been to the finals so 322 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,960 many times, it's like I need to get this medal. 323 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,440 Yeah. So that's when the pressure 324 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,720 start to come up in your head, I said, there's a lot of fans out 325 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,160 there rooting for you, want to see you win. 326 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,920 And you in your head saying, oh, this is the final straw for you 327 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,480 because you have shown to the world that you have shown them 328 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,599 that you can be on that podium, which is still he never made the 329 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,880 podium. So they said, my fans literally 330 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,000 said, OK, this is the last straw. 331 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,520 And I was like, it was it was pressuring, but for me, I was 332 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,480 like, I'm going to take it easy. I cannot let this pressure get 333 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,240 to my head. And that's what helped me to 334 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,560 become a champion because I said, OK, I have trained so hard 335 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,880 and they have and the numbers are showing in training. 336 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:54,080 So I said, OK, this is my hair. I have to make this medal 337 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,040 called. So I said to myself, there's no 338 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,160 way for me to win to lose. 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The coach is literally my I can 404 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,320 use him as everything because he knows a lot. 405 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,560 He's the one who will bring us in both to hardest titles. 406 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,760 So he's always there for me. And and he said, son, there's 407 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,960 nothing wrong with your head. It's just that you just get 408 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,040 you're just an injured prone athlete and the moment you you 409 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,880 overcome those injury, there's no one is going to beat you. 410 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,400 And so I said, so don't. No one beats me when I'm, when 411 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,520 I'm injured free. So 4th place 2022. 412 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,400 Fourth place 2023 Injury at the Olympic Games. 413 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,920 Of those like which one hurt the most and like those, those 414 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,120 ghosts, like when did they come up, you know, and when did you 415 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:19,440 finally kind of, you know, kind of quiet them or erase them 416 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,240 leading into this season? 2023 I can. 2023 the World 417 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,040 Championship, I couldn't even. I was disappointed, but I could 418 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,920 understand because I was that fit enough for the rounds. 419 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,280 And no, they didn't really have me to make the finals. 420 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,040 So I showed them that I can literally and the medal podium 421 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,720 could literally medal at that time. 422 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,200 But Olympics was one of the how can I say the words here from 423 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,200 because I was running. So I think I was I was running 424 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,040 so fast. I just say I cannot lose and the 425 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,400 only way that I could lose is because of injury. 426 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,000 And when I, when I realized that I got injured and in the race 427 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:11,120 and I said, damn, this is it. That was one of my hardest year 428 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:17,440 of my career following into 2025 because from 8th place I was 429 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,560 like, damn, he was so close to getting a medal. 430 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,840 But even though I came in, I was so I knew in myself that I could 431 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,360 have won that race because of the form that I was in. 432 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,840 When I realized what happened, I was, I was heartbroken, man. 433 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,840 I was really heartbroken. And it takes some resilience to 434 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,840 come back this year to literally meet this finals and become the 435 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,480 world champion. What did Coach Mills say after 436 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,320 Paris when he's, you know, your rock when it comes to, you know, 437 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,560 both the coaching element and then on the the mental side of 438 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,760 it, but to process that performance. 439 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:54,520 He felt the same pain that I felt because he knew that I was 440 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,080 in one of the best form of my life. 441 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,160 But we was. He was just hoping that my foot 442 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,520 hold up for the finals because I was injured the injured, I was 443 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,320 injured at the national trials. I was injured at the national 444 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,360 trials. And then I said, OK, I'm going 445 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,560 to see what can, what can be done to get better for the 446 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,200 championship. And I was just hoping for me to 447 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,200 just see if my foot could hold out. 448 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,200 But it didn't happen. And he was like, he was 449 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,720 disappointed just the same as me. 450 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,960 And he said, OK, I see where the problem is. 451 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,000 I'm I'm going to get you much stronger for next year. 452 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,000 And that's what he did. And here I am successful. 453 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,840 The strategic part to 2025 and what something that was so 454 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,600 different was the addition of Grand Slam and then you 455 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,440 committing to the league and having to double, which we never 456 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,600 really saw. You run too many two hundreds 457 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,680 and then you were very publicly, you know, putting yourself out 458 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,280 there in that event, you know, for what ended up being two of 459 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,320 the meets that took place when you did talk about just sort of 460 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,360 like getting stronger. What was the benefit of doing 461 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,800 those two hundreds early on? And like, do you think it played 462 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,840 out as as well as you had hoped? Because I guess like then after 463 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,800 that, right, it was after Miami you came up with a little bit of 464 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,440 an injury was scratched from Philly and was that due to just 465 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,480 sort of like too much strength worth? 466 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,000 No, I already said this because I've said this before, that the 467 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000 Grand Slam is what really helps me throughout my Championship 468 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:30,000 and the London Demo League is also, it's also one of them, one 469 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,280 of the trap means. That really helps me because we 470 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,440 come up with a plan and said OK, we're going to let you do 22 471 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,800 races, let's see how your body hangers that and I pretty angled 472 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,680 pretty well and that's literally I carry that shape short the 473 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,360 season and that's what helped me throughout the championship. 474 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,200 Yeah. Do you want to go back and run 475 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,560 more 2 hundreds next? Year, of course, I love 200 476 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,960 meter. I really love it. 477 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,800 I really want to be against. I really want to go against 478 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,640 those guys that are on top. Because I guess like that The 479 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,680 funny thing about just sort of when we reflect on Bolt's career 480 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,920 is that I mean, for him, like he always was very open. 481 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,280 The 100 is what gets everyone's attention and the prestige. 482 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,520 But for him, like the 200 was his favorite event for you, is 483 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,600 it? Yeah, 100 or 200 is your 484 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,680 favorite. Event and it's the fun fact 485 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,680 about it. The reason why you guys used to 486 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,000 the 100 meters is because I'm good at it, Yeah, But I can't 487 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,600 really run the 200 meter, which is why I don't really run it 488 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,160 because I've I've issues running the 200. 489 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,720 So I have to stay away from it. And it's so hard knowing that I 490 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,640 want to run something. I can't spend it so hard. 491 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,400 And I know for sure that I can really do good in it. 492 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,080 You have a love hate relationship with it right now. 493 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,960 Yeah, man. Alright, so when we talked about 494 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,600 just sort of like the ghosts of those championships, when, when 495 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,640 the calendar flips to 2025 and you're in practice, like there's 496 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,280 no thought about like what was in the past, right? 497 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,720 It's all just looking forward to, to the future. 498 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,640 Or how do you mentally prepare for, you know, the next 499 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,120 championships? While also you have a little, 500 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,600 you know, subconscious trauma and this history that people 501 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,280 bring up in media and all that kind of stuff that it's, it's 502 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,400 the story around you and you're trying to flip the script. 503 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,600 I've been through too many times, which I think that's 504 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,240 supposed to eliminate out of my head because it's from 2021, 505 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,760 yeah, when I started my debut, 2022, when I started my first 506 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,360 fight, when I, when I run my first finals and I run 3 finals 507 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,880 and I've been successful in one championship, which is 2025 508 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,280 World Championship. You're going to think that I 509 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,600 want to experience those again. No. 510 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,480 Exactly. The port on top and and the 511 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,400 podium feels very good. I don't want to come to the 512 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,760 podium. Sorry, I'm not going back down 513 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,400 there. I mean, yeah, now you're the guy 514 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,640 on top. You want to keep that for as 515 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,640 much as as you want. All right? 516 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,160 So if we go through, you know, the progression of this season, 517 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,880 getting to Tokyo, where was your confidence level at going into 518 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,560 the championships? Because, you know, you said in 519 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,440 an interview how you told yourself, this is my year. 520 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,000 No one's going to take it away from me. 521 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,200 I watched the, was it the 110 that you did in Tokyo that was 522 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,880 on Twitter and then went viral? Everyone started talking about 523 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,600 it was in practice when you got to Japan and someone put the 524 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,680 clip out there. I said I saw enough. 525 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,560 I was like, I think Oblique's going to win this whole 526 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,760 championship, but for you, I guess all the pieces getting to 527 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,680 Tokyo, were you a little surprised into being like, OK, 528 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,760 this is this is it. I've no injury, this is the best 529 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,920 I've felt. The confidence must have been 530 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,960 just through the roof. I said it started at my national 531 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,760 trials, yeah. And then when I moved on and run 532 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,400 at the London Diamond League, I said OK, things are looking 533 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,080 well. But when I run my last race was 534 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,440 at last and Diamond League and I said there's no way for them to. 535 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,640 There's no possible way. I swear. 536 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,120 I just said to myself there's no way for them to beat me. 537 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,280 And the only way for me to lose is because of injury or because 538 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,000 of a very bad start. That's the whole way I could 539 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,480 lose. We almost had that in the first 540 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,920 round with the the you were asleep in the blocks and I think 541 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,720 it was you revealed, I think to Pradita and to Aaron that it was 542 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,840 you felt something in your calf like during the war. 543 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,560 Months. Yes, it was. 544 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,160 And take me inside your mental thinking at that point, because 545 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,200 when you do start to think back of your injury history and all 546 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,560 that stuff, like what are you telling yourself when you feel a 547 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,640 sharp pain in your calf injuries or would have stopped you in the 548 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,240 past? Like how do you calm yourself 549 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,360 down in that moment? So I don't know, you know, as I 550 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,560 said, the national trail is what is my literal testimony towards 551 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,520 everything because I felt something at the national trials 552 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,920 which was like my hamstring literally was tight. 553 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,240 It grabbed me, me. I was there and I also feel a 554 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,440 lot of pain and I stopped because I stopped the race and 555 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,480 everything I said to them just run with the rest around me. 556 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,960 But someone was there came, came down at the truck. 557 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,520 I think it was a lady and she did something some stretches 558 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,880 with my foot and rub out the hair and stuff. 559 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,800 And when I go back to the line, I said, OK, I'm going to take it 560 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,360 easy. I'm just going to react to the 561 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:37,000 gun and see where it takes me. So that race showed me that, OK, 562 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:42,080 with this situation that I have, I still can be able to run a 563 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,200 fast race. So I use that experience, bring 564 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,680 it into the into Tokyo. But what really went wrong was 565 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,400 that I slept in the box. So that was that. 566 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,720 And it was seriously ridiculous. But the time was really fast. 567 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,480 Yeah, because I literally run very fast in the East. 568 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,400 If he, if if I reacted. And I was like, I can't let this 569 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,440 happen. And when I went back, my 570 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,720 therapist said to me, boss, whatever you're feeling, you're 571 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,360 going to be OK. And he, he dealt with the 572 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,320 situation and I came back for the semi finals. 573 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:23,320 I was like, OK, I'm back. So Nationals hamstring, World 574 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,640 Championship heats the calf. And then throughout this whole 575 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,120 entire thing, I guess, like right after Tokyo, you got 576 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,320 surgery on your foot, right? Yeah. 577 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,600 So like, what was going on there? 578 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,840 It it, it, I think might the surgery that I did, sometimes it 579 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,320 affect my training, it affects my training, it affects me to 580 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,440 run the 200m. So we have decided that we're 581 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,440 going to do something about it so I can be able to train 582 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,680 properly and the way I should train and to run a 200m 583 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,520 whatever. I have my finger crossed and 584 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,520 hope that this pain doesn't come back. 585 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,600 Well, the other thing too is I think, right, like you had to 586 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,800 because of the pain in your foot or whatever was going on, you 587 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,440 had to switch to the distance runner Adidas spikes and that 588 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,120 this whole entire season you've been racing in distance runner 589 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,400 spikes. Exactly. 590 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,360 That's one of the reasons. So then you you'll probably 591 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,920 switch or keep it the same. I just keep it the same. 592 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,600 I'm just gonna use a distance spikes because it's a good spike 593 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,840 to run into sprinting, even though it's a distance spike. 594 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,720 Yeah, I have to train in it. I have to compete in it and it's 595 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,280 I love it, man. Yeah. 596 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,640 All right. So then we get through the 597 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,680 stress of the heats on to the semi finals. 598 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,160 You told Perdita and Aaron that you wanted Noah Lyles. 599 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,360 Like, especially after, you know, the interview comments 600 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,360 that he'd said about how you were freaking out in, you know, 601 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,440 the backroom. All right, paint the picture for 602 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,720 me. Were you actually freaking out 603 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,600 or no? No, no. 604 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,680 I wasn't just. Calm. 605 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,480 I was calm. Yeah. 606 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,880 All right. So I have no idea what what what 607 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,160 that was about then. So then you get to the semi 608 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,400 finals and you were telling Coach Mills about just how you 609 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,720 wanted. You obviously want to know it 610 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,960 again to how just you approach things you want. 611 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,720 To talk to my assistant coach, I call assistant. 612 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:14,560 I know that Coach Mills would never allow no, but when I said 613 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,840 I was there and I said to my coach, I am dying for this man 614 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,920 to come in my and I said to myself, I thought came to my 615 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,040 head that this is what he really wants to get into your head. 616 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,320 So you're going to be more focused on him and the actual 617 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,760 race. So it's a strategy. 618 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,400 And when I think to myself, I said, no, no, no, Blake, this is 619 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,920 not it. So I realized this strategy, 620 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,440 which is it cannot work on me. And I said, OK, I'm going to 621 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,640 just work on this step by step. If I get him in, I get to run 622 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,760 with him in the semi finals, fine. 623 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,400 If not good, well, I'm just going to stick to the plan that 624 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,240 me and my coach said we are going to do. 625 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,600 That's the emotional like arc and like effort that you have to 626 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,400 put into, you know, a 910 second race. 627 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,719 How break it down for me. How emotional is 100 meters? 628 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,840 How physical is 100 meters? And then like also I guess how 629 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,840 mental is it? Those are those are three things 630 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,360 that you have to have like going right in order for the 631 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,400 performance to line up. Yeah. 632 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:31,360 And when I look at it, a dimly would be a best race to to to 633 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,440 take. What are your hunger? 634 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,080 Yeah. But when it comes down to the 635 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,360 championship, you have to say you have to, you have to be very 636 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,000 focused because there's no miss. You cannot make any mistake. 637 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,360 Or if you are running out of dimly, it's OK, we're going to 638 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,719 go to a one-on-one challenge because me against no, me 639 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,000 against Kishe, me against Kenny. But when it comes down to the to 640 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,520 the championship, you have to keep your focus at all time 641 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,760 because I said, OK, you're performing against all these 642 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,640 guys that are in the top that are in the top eight in the 643 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,640 world. And all of the and all of us are 644 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,360 running decent times, which we are very close to each other. 645 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,200 So if one of us make a mistakes, we're going to end problem, 646 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,280 right? So I have to keep my focus 647 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,560 through that championship knowing that there is no 648 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,000 mistake. I cannot make any mistake in my 649 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,840 rooms. I made it in the first round, I 650 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,040 cannot make it in the second round. 651 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,640 I have to take it step by step. When they introduce you before 652 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,440 the semi finals, because I went back and and watched it, you had 653 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,520 a big smile, I guess like as as you were about to get into the 654 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,840 blocks, just excitement about having a clean slate before you 655 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,720 know, to really OK, let's forget about the first round. 656 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,200 Let me show you what what's in store. 657 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,480 And then obviously crossing the finish line, you did the hush. 658 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,920 So what was? What was the significance there? 659 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,280 I was just like, listen, you guys have to, I know that I feel 660 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,200 many times I have to look very good at different semifinals. 661 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,960 Well, I said, you guys have to respect me and this is the you 662 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,360 guys going to look at me and I've put respect on my name, 663 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,000 which I said in the after the race and I just sat inside the 664 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,120 daughters and do this and I said, OK, take it step by step. 665 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,800 I never say anything more. I just went back around the 666 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,880 room. I just went back for the finals. 667 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,560 I was just, I was very focused in everything that I'm doing. 668 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,600 The moments before the final, because you, you only have what 669 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,160 you know, I don't even know if it was 90 minutes or whatever it 670 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,800 was between the two races. Like what were you hoping to 671 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,240 like lock in there to, you know, complete, you know, this whole 672 00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:39,040 plan, the plan is gold. What do you what did you need to 673 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,080 really focus on in the in that period where no one sees you, 674 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,360 you're underneath the stadium? Like what's what's happening 675 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,760 there? So I I called my coach and my 676 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,880 coach said to me, boss, this is you're here, as long as you 677 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,040 execute, you are going to win. As long as you execute, you're 678 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,600 going to win. And I said, OK, coach, I just 679 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,400 need to do what I do, what I have done in practice into the 680 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,600 championship. But I still didn't do what he 681 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,440 told because my execution was terrible. 682 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,000 I swear to you it was bad. That's what that was one of my 683 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,680 worst execution for the year. Yeah, you, you said you popped 684 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,680 up early. Yes, I did. 685 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,720 I just get it's like it's like I just, it's like after the gun 686 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,320 burst I get a reaction time and then after that I just popped up 687 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,560 and I start running now. Who does that? 688 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,800 Yeah, you had to claw your way back in the final 20 meters 689 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,960 still. Exactly. 690 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,800 And that was that's not me. That's not me. 691 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,800 And even then you ran 977 personal best. 692 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,880 Yeah, and I know that I can run faster than 9.7 because of the 693 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,280 execution. 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Anything else in there that that 749 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,120 you also think because you said terrible, there must have been 750 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,160 so there was other bad things in that race or what? 751 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,720 Yeah, I said my execution in the start was horrible. 752 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,040 Even though I reacted to the gun, I was the first one to 753 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,360 react and I was like, no, this shouldn't be happening because I 754 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,200 have to be their leading that race. 755 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,480 Yeah. And when I look, I was in 756 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,160 second. I was literally close to 757 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,160 everybody else. Kitchen was the one who was in 758 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,240 front of my eye by by a meter and I said no, this cannot be 759 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,600 and I cannot be here. So I don't know what happened in 760 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,160 that race, but something clicking made. 761 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,320 I said Nope, I have to win this race. 762 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,040 And then you did. Yes, I did. 763 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,720 I guess we talked about the emotion coming over you, but 764 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:38,480 then there's was that is it a combination of like a relief 765 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,120 that you finally got it done? Like joy, like it's got to be a 766 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,320 weird feeling when you've been chasing after something for so 767 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,400 long and you've built up some of this pressure on yourself and 768 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,560 then you finally get it done. So what is what is the mix 769 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,600 there? Joy, relief, like the of the 770 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,280 feelings coming over you. It's a mixture of everything. 771 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,080 It's a mixture of overcome, it's a mixture of joy, it's a mixture 772 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,480 of relief. It's everything, man, I felt so 773 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,240 happy. I felt so happy when I crossed 774 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:12,520 that line knowing that I won that race because I have been, I 775 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,800 have been on this international stage, even though I'm 24, but I 776 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,480 have been an international stage for a good amount of time. 777 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,120 And I said when is it going to be my time? 778 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,120 And I, and I said it to myself, I manifested it. 779 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,360 This year is going to be obliques here. 780 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,360 I said it over and over and over. 781 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,120 When I look back in my past and all the struggles that I have 782 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:39,480 been through and when I realized that I won this race, I said all 783 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,800 these wrecks over the year paid off. 784 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,200 Even though it's different training groups, different 785 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,520 coaches like Kashane get second. That's silver. 786 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,040 That's gold. Silver for for Jamaica as big of 787 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,280 a thing for you to also celebrate with your fellow 788 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,520 countrymen. Of course, because over the 789 00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,280 years it's it's, it's has always been the same coaches and that 790 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,280 podium. So it, it, it still, it still 791 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,160 feel I still have joy for them. I still feel happy knowing that 792 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,880 I'm not my fellow Jamaican is on the podium as well. 793 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,520 Because last year I didn't last year because of the injury, I 794 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,880 didn't get the opportunity to be to be there with him. 795 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:23,040 So, so for now, knowing that I am up there with him and even 796 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,880 won that race is something great, knowing that it's too 797 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,000 Jamaican. So I'm happy knowing that both 798 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,760 of us actually get a medal. You guys had Usain Bolt going 799 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,960 nuts in the stands. I think he almost like broke 800 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,680 Ricky Sims his arm by just how much he was celebrating there. 801 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,000 Did you get a moment afterwards where face to face or phone 802 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,560 call, whatever it is, where he congratulated you or or spoke 803 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,160 and like what was that interaction like? 804 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,240 It was good but he will not. He will speak to my coach about 805 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,160 me but whenever I see him I will have a talk with him. 806 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,160 But I know that he called my coach and talk to him and he 807 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,040 can't make congratulate my coach and stuff because he knows what 808 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,560 my coach capability is so but I never get a chance to speak to 809 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,520 him. Is that does that feel special 810 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,680 for the you know, the the the little kid who was watching the 811 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,640 2012 Olympics and when you know, before you know, you pointed out 812 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,880 to to your mom, like that's who I want to coach me. 813 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,000 And it's like now that guy has tremendous respect for you of. 814 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,200 Course and it's funny enough and what makes it so special is that 815 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,680 we are an I am coach. I is coach is coaching me. 816 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,840 That what makes it really special. 817 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,040 So I know how happy he is to know that high cross, that line 818 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,320 and oblique civil is the one that won that race because last 819 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,600 year at the Olympics he said today, well, that I am the 820 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:55,280 danger 1 and I think other coaches said it until it become 821 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,600 a reality. There's a funny photo, I think 822 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,560 that was shared after, you know that, where you're asleep next 823 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:06,720 to the gold medal. I mean how once you got it, 824 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,680 after the medal ceremony and everything like that, you and 825 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,920 the gold medal just inseparable, like it never left your side for 826 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,040 how long after that? Just me, I chose that gold medal 827 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,920 a lot. I cherish it a lot, man. 828 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,360 I was looking at it and I like finally I did it. 829 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,720 I was like, it just reminds me. It's like a motivation to just 830 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:27,360 keep me going forward that you work so hard for this. 831 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,800 So what you you'll have to stay on top to get this at all time. 832 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,600 And that's my short my career. There's some athletes who like 833 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,600 when they meddle, like they we'll look at it for, you know, 834 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,480 the couple weeks and celebrate and put it in a box and store it 835 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,040 away. Are you similar or are you 836 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,760 different? Where like maybe you, you need 837 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,040 to look at this to also remind yourself of like that hard work 838 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,800 and how much it all paid off. And so like, is this going to be 839 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,280 somewhere present where you could remind yourself, even if 840 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,520 it's on the way out to practice or whatever it might be, of just 841 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,200 like, hey, like this is this is what you earned. 842 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't. 843 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,760 I wouldn't say I would look at it like to motivate myself. 844 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,000 No, I wouldn't say I would look at it every day because you have 845 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,400 to look at it each medal of a different shape and form, which 846 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,960 is just the same color. It's just the same color gold, 847 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,160 right. So I motivate myself by by 848 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,560 wanting to be on top. So I say, OK, this here. 849 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,960 I want to be unstoppable each year and I may go back and look 850 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,560 at my old races to motivate myself. 851 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,680 I said OK, I look at it and study those races and say, all 852 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,280 right, this is what I need to do just to perfect a good race 853 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,240 knowing that because I will really want to be better than 854 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:49,520 the year before. And that's always my aim, to be 855 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,880 better every year. And so when we look at this 856 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,440 year's races, I mean, because the world championship final 857 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,280 where you run 977 had terrible execution. 858 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,800 Lausanne, you ran 987 but it was pouring rain. 859 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,680 The national championships where you run 983, your hamstring was 860 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,560 bugging you. What was your best race of the 861 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,760 season? London and London. 862 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,000 Oh, yeah, That's right. Yeah. 863 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,360 And London, of course. What in the past is there one 864 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,800 where it's like if I took this piece of this race and this 865 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,960 piece of this race and this piece of this race, that's where 866 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,920 you you have the race that you that you're chasing mentally in 867 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:33,760 your head. Like what? 868 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:39,320 What Break it down for me? OK, I can I can use if I use, I 869 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,040 can use Lazan or the Diamond League, Lazan Diamond League or 870 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,880 London Diamond League for the start. 871 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,320 OK. And I can use Tokyo for the 872 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,200 finish. Think about what Assafa and you 873 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,600 say in Bolton you get that time. OK, all right. 874 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,720 I mean, when when everyone throws around the world record, 875 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,920 I mean for the longest time, like there's so much world 876 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,520 record talk and it no one was running faster than 98 and then 877 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,320 maybe a 97 high like in the in the final. 878 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,160 When do you think we should like start to talk about it more? 879 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,320 You think you can start even next year or 20/26/2027 it 880 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,680 feels. Possible. 881 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,920 It feels possible. It's hard, Honestly, yes, it's 882 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:31,360 not easy because think about it, just look at it. 9 seconds, 10 883 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,680 second is so hard to break, right. 9.8 second is hard to 884 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,600 reach, and then 9.7 right is also a QuickTime. 885 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:49,960 None of us have run 9.6 seconds. None of us in this new 886 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,480 generation. So it's so hard for us to say, 887 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,960 all right, the world record is going to break it soon. 888 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,480 Even if somebody run 9.6 it's still going to be hard because. 889 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,040 You gotta break that. It's, I mean, even 9.7 I should 890 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,480 say, yeah, it's still going to be hard. 891 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,120 That record is not easy when I look at it. 892 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,240 It's not, it's not easy because think about you saying about the 893 00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:19,640 start. He got a good start and he also 894 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,680 finishes great, so that race was really well executed. 895 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,280 When I think about just even how fast, like Sydney just ran in 896 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,960 the 400, right? Like that was a really strong 897 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,760 performance, but also like she had so many different components 898 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,880 that lined up for her, right? It was the lane draw. 899 00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:41,800 It was having Sawa and Marlady on her outside where she could 900 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,040 chase them and react and be cognizant of what they're doing. 901 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,160 So in the perfect race, like, where do you need to be on the 902 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,880 track for your personal preferences? 903 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,280 Like, if I want to chase my fastest, Like what? 904 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,040 What is it that you want in in, like, the ideal setup, 905 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,840 obviously, like, let's get you at your best. 906 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,840 Probably because Shane at his best, right? 907 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,240 You need someone to push you to to the record. 908 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,640 Same thing with a Noah at his best. 909 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,920 But then what else? What else needs to line up the 910 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,440 crowd? The crowd, Yeah. 911 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,400 In Tokyo. Well, how did you feel about the 912 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,760 crowd? Because, like, they're not loud 913 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,800 people. And so Budapest, I thought, was 914 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,080 a much louder crowd. Trust me. 915 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,000 It was, yeah, this, I think it has to do with the synergy 916 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,600 around us and that is going to because the fans literally help 917 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,400 us enough. Yeah, the fans literally give us 918 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,280 that boots of confidence and say, OK, we're going to put on 919 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,280 the show. I think that's going to help us 920 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:41,920 and and to see a stock feel lined up is going to pass or 921 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,480 push us. You run a fast time because if 922 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,680 you think about Olympic, Olympic was really fast because I came 923 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:57,800 last with 9.8 with 9.9 seconds. And that's ridiculous because 924 00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,280 everyone in that finals run 9 seconds. 925 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,920 Yeah. So just think about it that way. 926 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,840 So it's all I must have time when the numbers are going to 927 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,320 change. Is it London? 928 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,280 What's the fastest track that you you feel like, all right, 929 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,680 this would be the the best place. 930 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,080 Let's pack the crowd, make it super loud, get the competitors, 931 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,000 but where, what's what, what, what are the your your favorite 932 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,600 tracks to run on? You said London. 933 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,400 I just thought Remember, Remember Madam and Lee debut was 934 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,560 last year the London so, so maybe he was landing for now. 935 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,880 OK. I think Budapest is a fast track 936 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,240 too. It is Budapest. 937 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,480 Budapest. I think that is Budapest. 938 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,680 All right, I'm excited. And it just sort of like just 939 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,800 fantasizing or just like everything that needs to line up 940 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,720 to potentially make it happen. It's something that we can all 941 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,920 dream of. So you see, you talked about 942 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,080 just how is it defining greatness now that you are the 943 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,720 world champion world's fastest man? 944 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,000 Does it change now for next year? 945 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,000 And it just sort of what you want to focus on is asserting it 946 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,680 and like being dominant where like you don't want to lose next 947 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,520 year at all. And I think that's just sort of 948 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,320 like the exclamation point to how you are now going to carry 949 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,640 yourself on the track. How do you define greatness now? 950 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,000 I think dominance in the sport where it's not just fast times, 951 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,080 but medals, medals is what counts. 952 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:25,000 Medals is what add to your, your credentials as an athlete, which 953 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,760 make you become someone that people can talk about. 954 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,880 So it's not just fast times. Because if you should ask 955 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,760 somebody if they should, what, what would you take the real 956 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,880 record? I'm our gold, our Olympic gold 957 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,000 medal, which also said the gold medal, the Olympic gold, because 958 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,280 it comes with something, right? So my my hint wrote this next 959 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,480 season and going forward into the future is to is to be 960 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,200 dominant in this world by getting medals, gold medals, and 961 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,400 that will literally separate you from everybody and put you 962 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,320 against the best athletes in the world. 963 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,760 I'm looking forward to it All right, rapid fire questions to 964 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,560 close this thing out. I think I was on your Instagram 965 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,960 story that you reposted. I show speed shattered you out 966 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,160 and I think he said something about he's he's coming after you 967 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,480 now. So any interest in racing? 968 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,360 Noah did it last year. And it's kind of like it's a 969 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,280 funny joke when they when they ran 60 meters, Noah was kind of 970 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,920 not trying the whole time. He left it too close. 971 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,960 And I think that then it had only LED for the Internet to 972 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,400 think that it would actually be close. 973 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,400 But you versus I show speed something that you want to see 974 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,560 happen or no? Of course I will let him win. 975 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:37,840 How much of A head start would you give him? 976 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,800 2 meters. 2m head start and then what? 977 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,120 The full 100 and you'd still catch. 978 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,120 Him 60 meters. I still catch him, I'm telling. 979 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,320 You all right? You love cameras and 980 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,480 photography. We were talking about this 981 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,800 before we started recording and I remember when the Grand Slam 982 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,120 media team came out to Jamaica, you were fascinated by what 983 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,400 Duncan was shooting on and everything. 984 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,480 If Sidious Mag, if we paid you enough or whatever your fee 985 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,840 might be, would you ever and you're not competing at, you 986 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,880 know, this Diamond League or whatever, would you shoot a 987 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,560 track mate for us? Why not? 988 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,520 We can get you a credential, I think. 989 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,120 When did this start with you and photography? 990 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:15,520 You know that, you know, that's funny enough. 991 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,680 I realized that I went before my father died. 992 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:24,520 I was going to his draw and I saw a camera is you know, when I 993 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,040 remember it's like I just started to fall in love with 994 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,280 with taking pictures with phones. 995 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,720 And then I said to my manager that I wanted a camera and he 996 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:38,240 got a we get a Canon for me. And I said no, that Canon is not 997 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,600 going to work. And I said I wanted another 998 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:46,920 camera, which is a Sony A73. And I started with that camera 999 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,040 and I was like, OK, I like this. And I would take pictures of my 1000 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,600 teammates in training, take pictures even though it's just a 1001 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,000 hobby for me and I would like OK, I want to learn how to head 1002 00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,720 it. I may go on YouTube and starting 1003 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,640 using Lightroom. I started to edit some pictures 1004 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,000 and which I realized that this is really something I really 1005 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,080 like because I know how to to edit the photos, but I don't I'm 1006 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,560 not so good with your videography. 1007 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,960 I know how to edit the photo. I know how to let the picture 1008 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,600 become live and stuff. So I really love it. 1009 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,200 I love because each time I go to every chat meet and I saw a 1010 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,840 camera, I was like what camera is that? 1011 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,960 Is it that Sony R can and I was I ran a joke and I said Sony is 1012 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,680 the best. But I know that keeping of their 1013 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,920 preferences. Sony is it for if Sony is a 1014 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,200 versatile camera. Canon is for like picture for 1015 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,520 sports photography. So for me, I like Sony. 1016 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,760 When you were in Japan, did you buy a camera or anything like 1017 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,560 that while you were there? Because there were so many 1018 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,760 really cool camera stores and stuff that I saw a bunch of 1019 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,760 people going to. Yeah, I wanted, I wanted a nine 1020 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,200 three. Yeah, I wanted that. 1021 00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,400 But I'm just saying I'm going to wait because that camera is a 1022 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,520 bit more expensive. Yeah, like I need, I need the 1023 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,800 gold medal bonus to kick in. Before I go in there. 1024 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,400 Buy the camera, yeah. Yeah, I just like, I'll wait it 1025 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,560 out, yeah. All right, so you're down if we 1026 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,200 get your credential you add or meet. 1027 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:14,880 All right. I will do it. 1028 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,280 We'll make it happen. Let's see. 1029 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,080 What else do I have? I already asked you about the 1030 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,680 world record. OK, Random insane question, Fred 1031 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,600 Enhanced Games. It's kind of a weird story 1032 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,640 that's happening in in the sport. 1033 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,360 There's that big bonus to break the world record. 1034 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,400 You think it happens? I'm not trying to get you in 1035 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,440 trouble or trap you, but I'm just curious. 1036 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,040 I am being honest, man, that that is fast. 1037 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,160 As I said, it's mad fast man, and I'm not doubting for that 1038 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,760 anything but but if he breaks that world record, shout out to 1039 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,640 him. But I know for sure that world 1040 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,240 record is very hard to break. 100 meter is hard, man. 1041 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,760 It's a very technical race. So it's, it's, yeah, it's more 1042 00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,320 about just, it's more than just being fast. 1043 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,360 It's more than it's technical. Everything has to come together, 1044 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,600 Everything has to be perfect to the minute detail. 1045 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,080 All right. So we'll we'll have to see. 1046 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,760 I think what is that in May or something like that. 1047 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,560 They're going to, they're going to try and do it, but we'll be 1048 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,080 watching. We were watching Fred. 1049 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,880 Is he going to compete against others? 1050 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,120 It depends on who else wants to do the enhanced games. 1051 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,440 But like we still don't even know like. 1052 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,600 I don't know what. It means yeah, because like, I 1053 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,200 mean, Fred is still getting tested by USADA and stuff and 1054 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,920 like, he hasn't tested positive for anything, right? 1055 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,920 And so like, like, we have no idea, I guess, like what the 1056 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,000 regimen, the protocol, all that kind of stuff is going to be. 1057 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,840 And it's still really early. But he also needs him. 1058 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,720 And like you said there, you need to be racing against 1059 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,480 somebody. There need to be crowds. 1060 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,160 I don't know. He's going. 1061 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:49,040 To and that's why that's what I said, if it's him alone is going 1062 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,920 to be hard because you're going to need competitors. 1063 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,240 He's going to need the crowd that help him to get that boots 1064 00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,240 of confidence. Well, I know that Fred is very 1065 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,200 confident enough what I've said. He's going to need the code to, 1066 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,880 to, to literally cheer him, to cheer him on. 1067 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,920 So let's see what happened. I'm not doubting him though. 1068 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,160 Oblique This has been a pleasure to get the world's fastest man 1069 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,240 to slow down and talk to me for 50 plus minutes, and so I 1070 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,160 appreciate you taking the time. Enjoy the rest, whatever's left 1071 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,640 of the celebration. But I know you're already back 1072 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,520 to work to make 2026 specials. So wait, what are you thinking? 1073 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,640 It's like you have the World Ultimate Championship spot for 1074 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,520 the 100 double potentially if you want to commit to the 200. 1075 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,480 All right, we'll leave it at that, He winked on camera for 1076 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,680 the people who were just listening. 1077 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,280 I'm not sure. It's up to my coach. 1078 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,840 It's up to my coach to make that decision. 1079 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,720 Perfect. All right, Oblique. 1080 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:42,880 Thank you so much for doing this. 1081 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,520 Thank you. Thank you all for listening to 1082 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,360 this episode. This episode was produced by 1083 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,840 Jasmine Fair. 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