1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,800 Hello everyone, Paul Hoff Mahoney here with Isaac Wood 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,920 from the 2025 NCAA Cross Country Championships at the Gains Creek 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,120 Cross Country Course in Columbia, MO Champions were 4 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:15,160 crowned today. Isaac, what a day of cross 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,200 country. Yeah, this is, this is a moment 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,400 for accountability, I think, you know, for the things that I've 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,560 said, for the, for the, for the things that happened out here to 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,040 see where, you know, what we thought was going to happen and 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,360 then what actually happened. And isn't that why we love 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,960 sports? There's also always up in the 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,440 the air until the actual day. Yeah, and today was there were 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,800 so many great storylines coming into this meet. 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,480 But I think the one that a lot of people are most excited about 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,520 and where we'll start is that women's individual race, the 15 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,320 defending champion, Doris Lemingle, the upstart freshman 16 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,000 from BYU, Jane Heddingren. And through 5K, it was a battle. 17 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:52,960 And then the champion showed her medal. 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,960 Isaac, what did you see in that women's race? 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,560 Yeah. You know, it's, it's, I think 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,640 there's, it was fun. I mean, it went out the way we 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,480 kind of thought, honestly, like it was a lot of times in cross 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,800 country races, it actually just doesn't go the way you think. 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,280 Like there's always some, some sort of wrinkle or something. 24 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,160 It really just did Jane and Doris together for a long time. 25 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,960 And, and I, I think, I think that pace is kind of a war on 26 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:18,080 Jane a little more than I think she thought it was going to. 27 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,960 And, and Doris has a level of quality of like, you know, she's 28 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:25,280 run at World Championships like she, she's, you know, I think 29 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,360 there's a certain level of confidence that kind of came 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,200 with that, that, you know, to be honest, like when we were 31 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,880 picking who's going to win that maybe we should have accounted 32 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,280 for is like that, that really, really high level actual 33 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,680 championship racing experience. Jane's running some big time 34 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,720 races, but she's still she's, she's still young. 35 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,560 She's a true freshman in college, right. 36 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,160 And so I, I still think that Jane, you know, she's going to 37 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,240 learn a lot from this. But Doris was clearly, you know, 38 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,120 the, the the better athlete today. 39 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,080 And I think, I think you know, from from, from my perspective 40 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,240 watching it, you know, I think she just kept tightening the 41 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,920 screws as, as you know, as as that final, you know, K plus 42 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,040 went on and it was it's clear that she had a lot more in there 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,680 really. Yeah, I mean, a true freshman 44 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,320 hanging with the 5th best steeplechaser in the world this 45 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,880 year and I think one of the top 10 steeplechasers in history off 46 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,880 time. That's nothing to be 47 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,640 disappointed about. Were you kind of surprised with 48 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,680 how much Doris's move seemed to really break Jane? 49 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,360 Like did you think there would be more of a response? 50 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,280 You know, I think there were several moves that were just 51 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,600 subtly like Jane did match. I think I think, like I said, I 52 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,400 do think that Doris was kind of, you know, she just kept kind of 53 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:31,960 tightening the screws is the the phrase I want to use that I 54 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,880 think she just kept trying to make his little moves on her to 55 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,200 to kind of gauge what she would do. 56 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,920 And I think she finally got the feeling of that like, OK, if I 57 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:41,480 just finally hit it here right now, I think I can do it. 58 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,520 And that's when that final breakaway happened. 59 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,680 And so, you know, I, I, I think that, you know, eventually that 60 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,920 just kind of wore Jane down. I do think that Jane just felt 61 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:51,000 like she kind of had a constantly match for if you 62 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,480 know, for a good mile in that in that last mile. 63 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,920 Yeah. And then that third spot, it's 64 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:58,000 the same finisher as last year, Hilda Lemimoy. 65 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,000 But I mean, we were talking about a little bit before we 66 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,720 started. Hilda went from 20th at 4K to 67 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,560 3rd at the close. And Hilda hasn't even been the 68 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,640 best runner on her own team this year, and she returns the third 69 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:10,680 in the nation. Like, how impressed were you by 70 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:11,840 what Hilda was able to? Do out of here. 71 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,400 Yeah, We were having conversations all week leading 72 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,760 up to this, Like how? Like, why are we not talking 73 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,240 about Hilda? Well, because there was also 74 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,400 this year kind of said maybe we didn't need to. 75 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,720 But there's something about the experience at this race, I think 76 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,960 that people forget that this race and the gun goes off. 77 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,560 Sometimes people's heads fall off. 78 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,400 But it's easier to keep your head on if you've done it before 79 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,080 and you have the experience. And surely Hilda's experience 80 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,360 shine through today. Do you think, I mean coming 81 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,400 through the people coming through the mix zone, you see it 82 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:38,960 out here. I don't know how much you can 83 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,360 see on the video, but the course is kind of a disaster right now. 84 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,720 People were covered head to toe and mud. 85 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,280 Like how much do you think that played a race and the results 86 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,840 played a part in the results we saw? 87 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,280 Yeah, I think, I think people were a little more conservative, 88 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,080 like making sure they had good footing. 89 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,040 I think that you're always going to be maybe not quite sure about 90 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,840 where you're stepping and that's the case. 91 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,520 It kind of can get you out of a rhythm. 92 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,080 So I actually think, I think that some of the rhythm runners 93 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,040 might have struggled later on in the race, then maybe, you know, 94 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,960 then we thought they might earlier on in the race. 95 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,120 They look, they look good. But I think as it got chewed up 96 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,079 more and more that it became less of a rhythm race and more 97 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:18,279 of a mudder course. And I think we saw that in the 98 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,120 team results as well. And in the individual results 99 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,400 with those who got out well and looked good early, maybe really 100 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,080 good track athletes who then maybe as it got muddy or got 101 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,720 harder and harder for them to kind of get that rhythm. 102 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,560 Yeah, we'll move to the women's team race now and the Wolfpack 103 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,080 are back on top 114 points for NC State to take the win 104 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,360 56243544 for their points in the top five. 105 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,440 I guess, Isaac, like what did you see out of Laurie? 106 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,480 And yeah, I need, I need obviously some accountability 107 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,000 for me for picking Oregon twice in a row. 108 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,480 I'll never do it again. You know, even if they're the 109 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,280 clear favorite next year maybe. I don't know if I can I I don't 110 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:54,560 want there to be an Isaac Wood curse like the Madden curse. 111 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,640 So we're just going to, you know, that's not a thing. 112 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,560 So I, I really the, the obviously, you know, I did 113 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,600 mention yesterday, if you actually watched the whole 114 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:07,120 prediction, I did mention that if Hartman was healthy and OK, I 115 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,120 thought they were probably the better team, but I wasn't sure. 116 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,880 Clearly she was, we knew that from McKay in that Hartman was 117 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,080 fine. The really the key for me was 118 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Hannah Gates, who was their, who was their number one, I mean, 119 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,760 but she ran an unbelievable race, controlled, strong, ran 120 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,840 for their team. To me, Gabes was the real hero 121 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,720 of Francie Stage. I mean, Gabes was eighth at this 122 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,120 meet last year, and I feel like that's something that really not 123 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,600 a lot of people were talking about because it's easy to get 124 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,560 overwhelmed with Grace Hartman, who was 6. 125 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,400 Today and Napoleon. Angelina, Napoleon. 126 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,360 Who you know, her season has just been going on basically 127 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,600 since the long year. September now a long year for. 128 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,720 She finishes 40th, gets an All American honor as like one of 129 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,800 the best people chasers in the world is the NC State's fourth 130 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:50,480 score. Yeah. 131 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,240 And I thought that one thing that again, we should have 132 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,800 probably considered when we were talking about individuals is and 133 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,680 we talked about how, you know, there's there's a level of like 134 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,880 having been here before that helps you feel more confident 135 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,920 here. Like clearly Gates is confident 136 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,000 here, you know, at the national meet, right. 137 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,080 And I think, I think that that was another just indicator that 138 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,280 that's what that level of experience is actually really 139 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:12,600 important. And, and you can't overlook that 140 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,240 when it comes to like taking like when you're starting to 141 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,760 look at predictions is, you know, OK, who has run well here 142 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,200 before. Well, if they run well here 143 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,720 before, the likelihood of them running well here again is 144 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,640 really high. BYU take second in that team 145 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,800 race. Riley Chamberlain Really 146 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,040 impressive day for 4th. Neil Roberts finishes just out 147 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,600 of the All American, but they get all 5 inside the top 55. 148 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:34,320 Yeah, I mean, I thought, I thought Riley Chamberlain maybe 149 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,200 maybe the, the most underrated performance of the day from 150 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,600 Riley. And, and the thing about Riley 151 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,280 that I thought was fantastic is she ran really smart. 152 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:44,960 She was in 17th of the K with 19121154. 153 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,520 And so she just, she really ran within herself, but gave her a 154 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,280 chance to still be in the mix, right. 155 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:52,240 And that's as a coach, that's really what you want. 156 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,320 You want your your athletes to get out well enough that if, if 157 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,240 things go well, the final, you know, K or two, that they can 158 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,360 get a lot of the dead meat. And I think Riley did a good job 159 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,800 of that. Oregon takes home third, New 160 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,000 Mexico 4th, rounding out the podium biggest. 161 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,680 It looks like the biggest kind of surprise team here was NAU 162 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,840 came in ranked 14th. They finish 8th. 163 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,480 So that's a great result for Jared Cornfield and his his 164 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,400 first year at the head of the Lumberjacks moving into the 165 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,240 Isaac. You have any other notes on the 166 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:25,960 women's? You know, are really the biggest 167 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,680 thing I wanted to mention was New Mexico. 168 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,240 I think we had had conversations that we thought New Mexico's 169 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,640 women were good and they needed some. 170 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,800 They just needed help from from like a Jasmine Wood and Nicole 171 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,800 Jansen and Alice Seguin and that's what they got. 172 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,560 Those women really came through for them. 173 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,240 And you know, I think that on paper they looked like a top 174 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,560 four team all year, but maybe hadn't quite had that day. 175 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,880 And so much about, you know, the NCAA meet is just it needs to 176 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,200 happen on the day getting to pieces that all click kind of at 177 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,880 the right time. And New Mexico clearly had that 178 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,040 today. That was their best performance 179 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,240 for sure. I will say there's one point in 180 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,600 the men's race where I was standing behind some of the New 181 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Mexico girls on the course and I think it was some of their women 182 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,320 that have come over from the UK. They were joking. 183 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,320 They're like, we didn't come over here to run on muddy 184 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,800 courses. We came over here to run on golf 185 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,840 courses and carbon plated shoes. So if this course was beat up by 186 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,560 UK standards, I think it shows this was. 187 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,480 Real cross country, the peers are having a heyday here, for 188 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,560 sure. Speaking of hay and hay bales, 189 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,360 let's talk about the men's race. Let's talk about the men's 190 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,040 right. I'm I don't think I fully 191 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,400 understand that segue, but I trust you all. 192 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,560 The the joke is at least, you know, watching the broadcast 193 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,000 and, and in the race is that there there were a chunk of guys 194 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:35,200 who who ran outside of the actual course around the hay 195 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,799 bales because I guess they didn't want to run through the 196 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,960 through the mud or whatever. And so that that the joke is 197 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,440 that there was some issues made with the hay and hay Bale. 198 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,640 So moving on from that, though, let's talk about the men. 199 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:49,520 Yeah, So we'll start the men's individual race and Habton gets 200 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,640 its tight, gets his title. This one was packed up through 201 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,360 about 8 KA, little beyond that. And that's where Habton made 202 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,920 that decisive move. Runner up two years in a row. 203 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,600 Now he finally gets his title. Had the Samuel of New Mexico. 204 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Yeah, I mean, I mean, the thing that was most impressive to me 205 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,040 for have some was he, he just ran his race. 206 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,040 He'd never got caught up. He never got flustered. 207 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,360 He was calm and controlled the entire time, do you know what I 208 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,160 mean? And and then and to have the 209 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,480 discipline to wait until a mile to go and then when he went, it 210 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,160 was over. I mean, he just, he shipped that 211 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,760 thing into a gear and it was and it was, you know, no one else 212 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,240 had a chance. Did you were you expecting 213 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,240 anyone to be able to go with him after that move? 214 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,760 You know, I think, I think the way the move went, it was, it 215 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,880 was so hard, so quick, So right in that, in that moment. 216 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,520 I, I mean, I think Rocky obviously tried and I and I 217 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,160 think I think had Solomon Kipchoge had been closer to that 218 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,160 front to be ready for that move. He actually moved. 219 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,960 He had maybe one of the best moves the last couple K of that 220 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,400 race. But but I but I think that he 221 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,680 wasn't quite in position to match the move. 222 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,520 And as a coach, you kind of you're always talking about 223 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,080 like, Hey, if the, if the, if the race is slow, go to the 224 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,120 front. Why? 225 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,800 Because when the move was made, you can match it. 226 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,200 And the, the race wasn't that hard early on. 227 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,200 I mean, they're running 3 flat KS for four or 5K until boom, 228 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,920 237, right? And so I think, I think, you 229 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,360 know, if Kiptogi might have been a little bit closer to that 230 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,320 front, he might have been more prepared for that move and maybe 231 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,560 he could have gone, but but Hampton slammed the door and 232 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,600 that thing so fast. I mean, clearly he knew what he 233 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,320 was doing and what a game plan from him and Coach Gosson to to 234 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:23,440 really set that thing up for a win. 235 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,560 Rocky Hanson second It's been so good to see Rocky finally be 236 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:31,240 able to put together like a full healthy cross country season. 237 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,000 You know, he's he had such a great track season this summer 238 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,520 and now it proves itself. His fitness is still there and 239 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,360 he delivers on the national stage to 2nd place finish for 240 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,880 Wake Forest. Yeah, kids tough. 241 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,320 I mean, he, he's he. You know, I'm really interested 242 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,920 to see how he runs, you know, track races the rest of the 243 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,280 season. Like is he going to continue to 244 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,240 be just willing to just go and just see and explore? 245 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,440 He he's a great example of exploring your limits and just 246 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:00,440 just finding out what you can do right. 247 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,920 He I don't know if Rocky's ever finished the race thinking, Oh 248 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,960 man, I I wonder if I could have done a little more. 249 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,040 You know, like he always is kind of puts himself in that position 250 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,440 to really be as successful as possible. 251 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,400 And and he gave he gave himself a chance for a win today, which 252 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,120 was awesome. And and and he ran smart When 253 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,480 the pace is slow, he went to the front. 254 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,080 He was right there with tape and kitchen that for a chunk of that 255 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,640 mid middle of the race and he and he was controlled and he 256 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,080 knew he was OK. And honestly the really the only 257 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,960 guy who at this point was going to beat him. 258 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,960 I think was was happening with that, with that killer move. 259 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:28,680 Yeah. Is there, looking at the 260 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:31,400 individual results where he moved to the team race, anyone 261 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,920 that really, I mean, I'm looking at Colin Solomon in 16th. 262 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,680 That's an incredible run from him. 263 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,840 Is there anyone that really stands out to you in this kind 264 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,440 of top 20 range? Yeah, yeah. 265 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,280 I mean, I think, I think George Cudi from Virginia Tech, who had 266 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,400 transferred to Virginia Tech last year and no one really knew 267 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:47,800 who he was. I think he transferred from 268 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,760 Charleston, WV the year before. He's from the UKIII. 269 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,440 Feel like he kind of came on the scene really quickly last year 270 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,880 at the nationals. And then again, he's probably a 271 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,720 guy we should have been talking about because he ran really well 272 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,000 last year, but we just kind of didn't. 273 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,240 But I think a 10th place run from him is really is fantastic. 274 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,360 And also Abdul Lagel from from Oregon. 275 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,720 I mean, he, you know, he gave Oregon their best, their best 276 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,400 chance for a podium spot by being top 10. 277 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,240 Yeah, the the team race, it's redemption, Dave Smith said. 278 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,560 In the mix on this feels like redemption today. 279 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:23,080 Oklahoma State team title with 57 points, they go 45612 and 280 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,840 Ryan Shoppy rounding out the scores in 34th. 281 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,400 The Cowboys got it done today. What did you see out of that? 282 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,400 You know, I thought Fuad Masoudi really set the tone in terms of 283 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,040 we knew Brian Masoud was going to be there. 284 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,680 We knew Dennis Kim and Guess was going to be there. 285 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,240 But I think when they turned, they saw Fuad there. 286 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,520 They're like, OK, wait, wait, we might be OK, you know, because 287 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,280 he, he had really struggled here before. 288 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,040 And I thought, I think that that really played a role in just a 289 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,920 confidence, a calming effect towards the front of that race 290 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,480 for Oklahoma State. And, and also, you know, you 291 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,040 have to give a lot of credit to Adisu Gwadia. 292 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,880 He was 167th at the K and kept his head. 293 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,320 He went 1671411-O383 all the way down to the final 10K. 294 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,480 He was 12. And just his ability to stay 295 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,320 calm in that moment, I thought was really impressive. 296 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,480 Yeah, I mean, so Dave in the mix zone almost started tearing up 297 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,080 talking about what this runs me means for for the Saudi. 298 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:21,040 And he said Ryan Shoppy moved up 40 spots from 7K to 10K. 299 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,560 And the way he talked about it was really interesting. 300 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:26,840 Like basically the conversation with Ryan going in was like take 301 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,320 the first couple KS easy and then if we need you, you need to 302 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,560 be able to bring it home. And so right at about, I think 303 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Dave said it was like 7 or 8K, he saw Ryan and said Ryan, we 304 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,360 need you. And Ryan started bringing it 305 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,760 home. Gets an All American Honor 34th 306 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,240 for the Cowboys as they finished 25 points ahead of New Mexico in 307 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,760 second. Yeah, I thought New Mexico ran 308 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,000 really well. You know, we, we had talked 309 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,760 about the, the key for New Mexico was going to be how well 310 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,040 Matthew Kosguy was going to be, was going to run and he clearly 311 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,000 ran well. But the other guy that also ran 312 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,360 really, really well for them was Iker Sanchez Lopez, who we 313 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,560 hadn't even talked about. He was kind of like, you know, 314 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:04,280 well outside of these five, we'll kind of see what they've 315 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,960 got for that. Well, clearly he's a very good 316 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,400 6. I mean, him, him finishing 61st 317 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:11,520 still gives them, you know, they they would have been second 318 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,480 whether they were scoring Iker or Matthew and, and, and, you 319 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,680 know, I think I think they were able to really, I think having 320 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:22,040 hopped him in the pack, you know, for quite a while, I think 321 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,240 helped kind of bring it all the other guys with him because it 322 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,000 was it was, you know, they talked on the broadcast about 323 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,880 like, oh, it looked like this is an Oklahoma State training run. 324 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,840 Well, to be fair, it looked like it was a New Mexico training run 325 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,640 as well. I mean, there were they're, you 326 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,560 know, sapped him protest people got and cheers. 327 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,240 You were all just there kind of together, not like on a little 328 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,120 tempo. I mean 3 flat pace, you know, 329 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,600 per K is really probably tempo pace for those guys here. 330 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,400 And I think they were able to really kind of stay calm 331 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,600 together in that pack. And that I think that really 332 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,200 elevated them to to to that second place spot. 333 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,440 As you talk about the third place team, Iowa State, really, 334 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,760 I mean, you know, last year they had they had they had someone 335 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,160 fall in that race that really impacted their ability to win. 336 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,920 Well, same thing happened today. We're we're, you know, through 337 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,720 the results, they were in 2nd, 2nd, 1st and then 4th and and 338 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,640 4th of 14. You're like, wait, what 339 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,440 happened? Well, Sonali Missundo fell and, 340 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:21,520 and dropped 146 spots and was in 175th at 4K moved up 50 spots in 341 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,720 the K, which, oh man, if you could just like tell him in the 342 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,480 moment, just just ease into that just a little bit more, I think 343 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,320 he would have had a little bit left at the end. 344 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,280 He he he dropped 18 spots the final K what's again, I don't 345 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,160 know if that changes how they look, you know, at the finish. 346 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,720 But don't you think him falling and kind of the panic around, 347 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,240 oh, crap, crap, crap. What's happening I think 348 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,760 impacted them, you know, that that top group and where they 349 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,320 thought they were going to be able to finish, you know, as a 350 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,960 team. Yeah, I mean for Iowa State, 351 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,320 like they get 4 all Americans, but they were 15th, 22nd, 23rd, 352 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,080 36th. So it's it's a great day for the 353 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,200 Cyclones. But when you're going against OK 354 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,200 state, like you can't have, I guess mistakes like that. 355 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,520 I don't know if you can really call falling down a mistake. 356 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:04,520 Sure. Probably wasn't really. 357 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,640 Into the bummer is when you have AB plus day at nationals, it's 358 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,960 usually a good sign because, you know, everyone else is like, you 359 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,520 know, like, like I always say, I probably said too much like 360 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,080 their heads are falling off, but I, I think they, they had a good 361 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,240 day. But if anyone was going to be 362 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,760 the Oklahoma State, you had to have an A+ day. 363 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,360 There's there's no other way around it. 364 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,800 You had to have the perfect day today to be the Oklahoma State 365 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,440 and, and, and, and clearly, you know, having your, one of your 366 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,040 studs fall. It's just not a perfect day. 367 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,080 Yeah, and you almost got that fourth spot on the podium, 368 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,800 right? Oregon went out super hard but 369 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,480 kind of faded to fit. Syracuse comes through, 370 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,440 justifies their 4th place ranking, finishing 4th as a 371 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,200 team. They were 19th as a team at 2K 372 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,720 and come through to finish 4th. Sam Lawler 31st Peter Waldorf 373 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,720 37th. Or they're all Americans. 374 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,800 How impressed are you with what the Orange put out there? 375 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,800 Yeah, when Syracuse won what, you know, a decade plus ago now, 376 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,320 they did a they ran a similar way where they just went out 377 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,000 smart and kind of moved and kind of moved. 378 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,560 And Brian Bell, their coach, he knows that that's kind of how 379 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,000 you have to run this race most of the time. 380 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,240 Now, of course you say that and then the race kind of goes a 381 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,800 certain way and you're like, well, you should have run it 382 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,280 this way this time, right? So it's kind of hard to know, 383 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,400 but I would say, you know, clearly they, they were 384 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,720 confident in their fitness, right? 385 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,440 Cuz if they, you know, when you're confident in your 386 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,280 fitness, you don't have to play this. 387 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,880 I'm gonna try and die game. You're gonna, you're gonna be 388 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,079 like, well, I can run with them myself. 389 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,760 I'm OK, I'm OK, You know, and and that's why, although, yeah, 390 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,079 they were, they were sitting in, in, in in what, 19th at 2K? 391 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:29,240 They're cool. It was fine. 392 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,120 It didn't really matter. Like they had their guys there. 393 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,200 They were fine. And they, they all moved up. 394 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,440 I mean, every single guy over the final K moved up almost, 395 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,560 almost 9 to 15 spots on average. And that, that is just an 396 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,200 incredible showing of an intelligent, strategic race. 397 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:49,480 Kind of surprises, I guess, for the men's team race or 398 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,360 outperform, There are a lot of teams that really kind of 399 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:53,840 outperformed their ranking. Eastern Kentucky came in ranked 400 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,160 20th, they finished ninth. Virginia Tech 23rd, they 401 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,080 finished 14th. Oklahoma 24th. 402 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,560 They finished 15th. Any other kind of impressive 403 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,800 notes from this men's race that you? 404 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,440 Think I was going to talk about Eastern Kentucky. 405 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,160 I mean, you know, in years past, to be honest, I think Eastern 406 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,800 Kentucky's been that team that's been ranked like in the 20s then 407 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,320 maybe kind of struggled at this race. 408 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,400 And this is probably one of their best, best men's team 409 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,320 finishes they've had in in a long time. 410 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,160 They put it together and, and, and so I think for me, like 411 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,520 seeing Eastern Kentucky finally put the pieces together because 412 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,080 they they're year in, year out, Eastern Kentucky is a very 413 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,760 gifted, talented team. And so putting it together 414 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,880 today, I think is really, really happy for coach Erdman there at 415 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,280 Eastern Kentucky and, and, and I would say also Oklahoma again, 416 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,240 when the problem is when they are, when these team in these, 417 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,440 you know, the coaches who vote in these polls and rank these, 418 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,600 these teams, they're ranking them based on like what they 419 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,680 feel like is like the total quality of the team. 420 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,840 And they're not really looking at like where they're going to 421 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,600 score at nationals. Because if they were, you would 422 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,160 know that Oklahoma's got 3 or 4 really good low sticks and that 423 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,280 at the NCAA meet in the, in the field of 261, like, like if you 424 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,920 have low sticks, you know, like that's going to be a massive, 425 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,320 you know, you know, boon for them to be able to move up and 426 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,920 then finish a lot, a lot higher than than those seems to have 427 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,480 maybe a good depth, but they don't have but they don't have 428 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,080 anyone in the top 50 or top 75. Those things are going to find 429 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,000 themselves more towards the back. 430 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,360 Yeah, I mean, like you said, so Oklahoma gets Ronald Gettich 431 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,440 49th, Evans BY 56th, great runs for those Sooners. 432 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,360 That does it for these 2025 cross country national 433 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:23,840 championships. Isaac, a pleasure out here being 434 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,760 with you. And we're back to Terre Haute 435 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,720 next year. Love Terre Haute cross country 436 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:28,720 town USA See you then.