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All right, all right, all right.
It is December 10th and this 

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week in track and field is 
coming to you a little bit later

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in the middle of the week, 
mainly because we had a little I

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guess pre you had some some 
personal stuff on Monday. 

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I was traveling out to Hawaii on
all day Tuesday, 11 hour flight.

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I was just writing the whole 
time working my book. 

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And now that I've gotten here, 
first thing I think I just said 

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to you before we started 
recording is like, I don't 

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understand why we go to Eugene 
OR everything should be here in 

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Honolulu. 
It is beautiful. 

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I am so excited to be part of 
this weekend's Merry Mile 

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festivities. 
Cydus Mag will be doing the 

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broadcast, me and Mac will be 
producing that. 

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I'll be doing the commentary and
the pre show and Mac will be 

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hitting all the buttons to make 
it all happen and bring it to 

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life. 
And honestly, like, I feel like 

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this year's Merry Mile field, 
yes, it is a weird time for an 

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elite road race of this caliber 
'cause you find people at 

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different points in their in 
their training. 

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But when you look at it, you see
four world champions, the 

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American record holders in in 
the mile participating or just 

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like, all right, this, this 
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Ave. 
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September. 
Obviously the overlap with the 

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World Championships kind of 
maybe led to a little bit of a 

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hit on the quality of those 
fields, but you've got tons of 

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heavy headers here this weekend.
And so you'll be able to watch 

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it all live on the Sidious Mag 
YouTube channel. 

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I believe it's around noon 
Eastern Time early here in 

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Hawaii. 
But I'm not the best with time 

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zones and so I'm constantly, you
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keep getting it wrong. 
But I'm glad Preet, that we got 

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the chance to line this thing up
and and do a pod because we got 

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a lot to talk about. 
Where do you want to begin? 

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Oh, man, it was. 
It was like track season is 

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back. 
We're in the we're in the this 

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is like the busiest weekend of 
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It felt like there was so much 
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But maybe let's start with US 
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one of the the big the big 
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perspective and building up the 
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just about four weeks time. 
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It's like I'm still not letting 
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referring to Team USA. 
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watching because you had to see 
what the team you're going to be

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rooting for in a couple weeks. 
It ends up looking like. 

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So should we start with the the 
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Because of the two races, I 
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one was better. 
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that one for a little bit. 
The men's one went a little bit 

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more expected. 
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I think in last week's episode, 
the team that I named was, you 

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know, Grand Blanks, Nico Young, 
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I got those right. 
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with like, I guess I had higher 
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Kincaid. 
Even a Drew Hunter Cooper tier I

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thought would be more in the 
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Instead, you have Wesley Kiptu 
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months after the allegiance 
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He ran a solid Chicago Marathon 
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And then you had Ahmed Mohammed,
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team in the past. 
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fours last years. 
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consistently, I think been 
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championship races. 
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very young team as well. 
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their first US team. 
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to make the most out of 
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Now, the the most interesting 
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order of things. 
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wasn't, you know, at the top of 
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would be Nico Young or Grand 
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country prowess. 
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probably had a little bit later.
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later season 'cause they went 
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there if they took a break, 
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maybe people expected, but then 
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them, they're all studs as well.
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meet is make the team and, and 
at least Nico Young and Grand 

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Blanc's got that done because in
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And my other big takeaways, 
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ups to him, first US 
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it to the pros. 
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by him. 
He's always been from, from when

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we first met him as a high 
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Nationals a couple years ago, he
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was interested in time trials 
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And so I was so glad to see that
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go to BU and run a fast 5K to 
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cross country thing going. 
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making his first team. 
But I, I, I really like this 

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men's team. 
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It looks like a really strong 
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that Rocky Hanson would beat 
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seconds, I think you would have 
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But that is indeed what 
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Yeah, obviously Nikkei Young 
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you could tell, you know, they 
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off off the late worlds and and 
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for this, but but they've got 
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They made the team. 
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a strong team. 
I mean, yeah, as you said, Rocky

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Hanson, I think is the guy who 
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9 K of that race. 
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it. 
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He broke the rest of the field, 
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quality of the field that was 
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know, one or two more of those 
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and be in the mix. 
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broke away pretty early and 
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a large gap. 
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only one who was kind of even 
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the only two actually that were 
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and then. 
How about Paul Chilimo in this 

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thing? 
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marathon train. 
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be getting ready to start 
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Instead, he threw in a big cross
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guess, I don't know how many 
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next day after this race. 
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ready for the marathon project. 
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this point? 
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And he's still, I guess, like 
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distances. 
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for him. 
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result. 
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do on a flat fast course. 
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intrigued seeing him and I was 
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make this team? 
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broken up a bit. 
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clear for we're we're, we're 
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about what AK or two to go. 
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right, the, the, the field broke
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So, yeah, I think, I think it, 
it kind of, you know, splintered

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pretty early. 
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And, and this is where I think 
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first thing to say is it this 
race in terms of who was there 

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and how it was exciting to have 
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all in the same race? 
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something, you know, they're 
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either if it's the Olympic 
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spread out across 5K and 10K or 
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Like we had all of them. 
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runners. 
We had, you know, all Rd. 

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athletes, you know, we, we had 
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And I think it's really great to
see that level of depth. 

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Obviously, you know, we didn't 
get to see all of them on the 

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broadcast. 
You know, we didn't see Woody 

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Kincaid really. 
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etcetera, but you know, at the 
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race and, and it was, it was 
fascinating to see who'd come 

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out on top. 
Speaking of the broadcast, is 

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Galen Rupp the best commentator 
right now, Color commentator and

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analyst in distance running 
right now? 

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I like he was so good and we've 
gotten a taste of this in the 

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past. 
He's done the New York City 

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Marathon broadcast, he's done a 
couple other smaller gigs in the

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past. 
When we had him on the podcast 

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at the trials in 2024, he was 
great. 

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I, we even brought it up to him.
I was like, yo, dude, you're 

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really good at this. 
Like, is this something you're 

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going to consider? 
He's still intent on running 

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through 2028. 
But man, like, I this doesn't 

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mean anything to you because you
don't follow baseball. 

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The comparison I think that we 
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Rodriguez and just sort of like 
how many people maybe weren't as

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big fans or you either loved him
or hate him, hated him as a 

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player. 
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Rodriguez served like a 
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kind of connection to the Oregon
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always kind of left a little bit
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in, in people's mouths that, you
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viewer watching, you're probably
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stuff and, and, and he's really 
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I I came away impressed and 
being like damn Galens very, 

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very good at this job. 
I absolutely agree. 

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I mean, like he he was 
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And to be honest, like initially
I didn't recognize his voice, so

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I didn't know who it was until 
Paul Slongard mentioned his name

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when I was watching the NXN 
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But he'd really kind of got 
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the high school high school, 
which was really impressive to 

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see. 
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Like it, that's probably the 
trickiest, you know, thing to do

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to have a really good level of, 
of knowledge of that the high 

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school running scene, given it's
so, you know, there's so many 

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races all around in the country 
that you have to kind of figure 

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out what's going on just to then
be able to to do that at the the

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championship race. 
So yeah, it was, yeah, it's 

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really good. 
And yeah, it's nice. 

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And producing a cross country 
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And they did a really, really 
good job. 

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So kudos to Nike, the runner 
space team. 

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I mean, Paul Swangard put in so 
many, so many hours behind the 

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mic this weekend, just across I 
think he was on the call for for

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CIM as well. 
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that, you know, that it was for 
AUS championship. 

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It was so well produced and and 
it was a lot of fun to to watch.

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Should we shift over to the 
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Yeah, absolutely. 
All right, so in the women's 

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race, it was quite a bit of a 
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I, I think a lot of people 
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this team and, and, and win it. 
She is just an aerobic animal, 

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strong and unfazed by the mud. 
She's made now three world cross

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country teams. 
She was the top American, I 

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believe, at last year's world 
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And so it she was always in the 
mix. 

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And I think a lot of people were
keying off of her, including, 

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you know, the likes of Katie 
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Parker Valby was up toward the 
front as well in those early 

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stages of the race, Emma Grace 
Hurley, That was sort of like 

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who was pressing from the front.
It was, I mean, this course was 

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sloppy. 
You could see at times that they

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were just, you know, trying to 
stay on their feet as they were 

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hitting some aggressive 
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and it felt like some people 
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tighter than others. 
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it in so many different ways. 
Katie Izzo, who in 2023 did what

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world championship. 
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country team out there to make 
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it certainly belongs as one of 
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do it. 
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Kolati and hangs on for as long 
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cross country champion. 
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after that, you know, Chris 
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another NCAA cross country 
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5K10K teams for the United 
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last five or six years. 
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throw, I didn't throw Katie Izzo
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one has more professional cross 
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I was just kind of leaning more 
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American NCAA cross country 
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expected by me. 
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great NCAA cross. 
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doing this. 
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was a non factor in this one, 
Caitlin Toohey, another, you 

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Parker Valby, who All in all, I 
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what is this third professional 
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could have it could have been 
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whole entire year. 
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her until, you know, later in 
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outdoor season. 
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way back and she was in it until
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leaders. 
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The cameras didn't catch that, 
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a little bit more sense. 
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back and moved, moved up in the 
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bouncing back from the Chicago 
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It was really like, it was like 
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I think it was 'cause she, it 
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I remember David Monte, I think 
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get blood drawn in the middle of
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And then she kept going and then
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eyes or something like that. 
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disastrous marathon debut ever. 
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you'll be able to claim a, you 
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So the team is Clati, Izzo, 
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Hartman. 
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men's side, young, but a little 
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the men. 
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This was a fun race for a fun 
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expected to to win and, and she 
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like she is the only one who's 
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as a professional. 
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issue to put them all on a track
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seen that. 
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the some of these women, but but
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she's obviously an absolute 
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She's. 
Anti world rankings crunching 

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and she's like, you know what, 
I'm just going to go get the 

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cross country by to the World 
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no one can get it and I'll just 
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essentially. 
Like that is a playbook. 

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I mean, there was a chance that 
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trials, obviously, you know, we 
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sure that we could feel the full
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at the at the trials. 
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of this team. 
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Success in Tallahassee next 
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Kenyans and Ethiopians are very 
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The men still. 
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ending up on the the podium, 
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Yeah, I mean, I think. 
The the men, the men. 

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So with the men, obviously 
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We would expect we'd have to be 
a strong team. 

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Uganda are a team where, you 
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Joshua Chapter Guy runs it, 
Jacob Kaplimo is running it, but

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obviously the depths of their 
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by what Joshua Chapter Guy plans
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I think he is running a 25K race
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two. 
So he is racing, but yeah, he is

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racing longer distances. 
So I don't know if he will, he 

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will join in for the for, for 
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so there's a little bit of a 
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Isn't the world's, you know, 
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So you never know what they're 
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But I think we have a good shot 
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U.S. team. 
There's AI, heard you say we. 

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Again, but. 
I I. 

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Did I I Yes, I did. 
I I said it and I was like, Oh 

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my God, you caught me, you got 
me. 

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But yeah, next thing you know 
I'll be chanting USA. 

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USA on the side. 
Of the course, but yeah, I, I 

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mean, yeah. 
So I think, I think we 

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definitely there, there is 
definitely a better chance for, 

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for the US guys there with the 
women, obviously the Kenyan 

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women basically going to win. 
There's, there's just not really

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they, they went one through 5 
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they're sending a pretty strong 
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But I imagine, again, there's 
just a bit more of a gap at that

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top end, and then there's a lot 
more women who can. 

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You know who who? 
Are kind of that little bit 

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stronger. 
And so it's just a little bit 

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it, it sort of almost, it 
doesn't really matter who The 

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Ethiopians and Kenyans send. 
They will probably end up on the

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podium. 
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we'll, we'll, we'll have to see 
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But yeah, maybe there is there 
is a potential for a bronze 

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medal if if things go well. 
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I was a bit. 
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hours before I'll get up and 
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pretty early every workout I'd 
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on race day into the workout. 
So my routine every morning is 

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how fresh she felt through the 
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I'm like, OK, I know she's the 
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But also she starts using this, 
you know, this new product and 

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has the best race of her life. 
You know, maybe I should keep 

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using it as well. 
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every workout, every long run. 
The recommended. 

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Practice is you take one shot 3 
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Just a couple more notes on the 

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on the women's side of things. 
It was good that for Wayne 

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Colati, it's every things are 
falling into plan, like make the

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US team. 
Because I mean, she essentially 

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put half marathon training on 
the back burner and passed on 

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being able to go to Houston 
'cause I believe it's the same 

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weekend or maybe the weekend 
before World Cross. 

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And so. 
I think to her, everything's 

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according to plan. 
So now she made the team go do 

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world cross and after that it'll
be Barcelona and 1/2, which I 

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expect her to kind of break her 
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continue to lower that. 
She's proven to be really good. 

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It's I mean, it's exciting 
because if we start to look even

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further ahead 2026, my guess 
will be Wayne Kolodi makes her 

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marathon debut in New York and 
follows a very similar plan to 

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Sharon Lochetti. 
Now I, you know, this is 

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probably part of my research 
with my book. 

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I'd have to go back and look and
see who's the last American to 

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win their marathon debut at the 
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The American. 
So we shall we shall see how 

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that plays out. 
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sort of like, where do we go 
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Shelby. 
Chewy Valby. 

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I think for Valbe, it's just 
continue to get healthy and I 

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don't know if indoor track could
potentially be on the calendar 

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just sort of like, you know, I 
think the struggle has been to 

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try and stay healthy. 
And last year it was one indoor 

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race. 
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how the navicular was broken, 
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her, especially with a little 
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stuff. 
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she hasn't been announced or 
anything at like New Balance 

442
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,840
Indoor Grand Prix or Milrose or 
anything like that. 

443
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,800
I kind of expect maybe Caitlin 
Toohey, who's a regular at the 

444
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,160
Milrose Games and at the Armory 
probably goes there. 

445
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,960
And then for Shelby, it's sort 
of like I thought maybe it's 

446
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,400
just sort of like where she is 
at at this point in her 

447
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,440
training, but. 
When we've thought in. 

448
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,320
The past like she's going to be 
a force come to 10K like this 

449
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,920
kind of set my thoughts back on 
that a little bit more because I

450
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,600
thought you would just be. 
In this 1A. 

451
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,120
Bit more, well, I mean I. 
Think, I think for Shelby, it's 

452
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,480
probably more, you know, like 
she, she came forth at worlds. 

453
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,440
I don't think that she's 
necessarily going to be bad at 

454
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,840
the 10K. 
It's just maybe this wasn't the 

455
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,080
right, you know, she wasn't at 
the right point. 

456
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,120
Such a weird time. 
To be super fit, yeah. 

457
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,320
Exactly. 
And it's not, you know, it's not

458
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,160
a distance. 
She's really raced much before. 

459
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,960
And yeah, like, like, yeah, it's
not. 

460
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,360
So, you know, she gave it a 
shot, but you know, she's got a 

461
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:35,120
world indoor medal to to defend 
or to improve on. 

462
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,560
So I imagine she will be, she 
will be going for that. 

463
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,560
Oh, true. 
And yeah, with, with Caitlin 

464
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,520
Tui, I mean, I, I honestly, like
I know you said, oh, you know, 

465
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,560
we had this debate about, well, 
she has run 110K in her life 

466
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,680
before this one race. 
And that's the only race she has

467
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,880
run over 6K and that was a 3250 
10K at ACCS. 

468
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,800
She I think she is at the 
moment, I suspect she's much 

469
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:09,560
more of a 5K runner and, and 
maybe that is that remains the 

470
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,240
focus. 
So maybe a 10K cross country 

471
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,000
race was was a bit much. 
And I think, you know, she 

472
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,520
missed that race in New York 
that she was the 5K in New York 

473
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,000
that she was started to compete 
at, I think because she had some

474
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,200
sort of set back. 
So I don't think she has been 

475
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,120
perfectly healthy as well. 
So, you know, I don't think 

476
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,360
actually in hindsight, maybe the
expectations shouldn't have been

477
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:34,040
quite as high in this one. 
But but we really hope that like

478
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,400
next year she can. 
You know, she's someone who has 

479
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,120
always had so much potential and
we have so such high 

480
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,560
expectations because of what she
did at the NCAA levels. 

481
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,080
So, you know, if she can stay 
healthy then, then hopefully she

482
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,040
can kind of start to show some 
of that next year. 

483
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,080
I think the. 
Reminder to people is like, 

484
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,320
yeah, we have high expectations 
for the likes of Parker Valley 

485
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,120
and Caitlin Toohey. 
And you got to remind yourself 

486
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:04,040
he's like, oh, they're only 23. 
There's still so much time. 

487
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,080
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

488
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,480
All right. 
Shout out real quick to 2K. 

489
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,120
Yes, Yeah. 
Sorry. 

490
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:10,800
Yeah, go. 
Ahead, yeah. 

491
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,480
No, no, sorry, on pause. 
I don't make your final make. 

492
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,080
Your note, yeah. 
Yeah, I mean I, I. 

493
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,680
Think it's the same sort of 
thing she is. 

494
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,680
More of a 10K. 
Runner. 

495
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,520
But I think, yeah, obviously it 
takes time when you're coming 

496
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,720
back from injury to to get back 
into shape for a 10K. 

497
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,240
And again, she hasn't run a 10K 
cross race before. 

498
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,960
She's run, obviously she's very 
good at cross country and she's 

499
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,200
very good at 10K on the track. 
But it is one of those things 

500
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,560
where where it is different and 
it did seem like she went out 

501
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,840
pretty hard and then she faded. 
And obviously it does take more 

502
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,760
effort running in the mud and, 
and whatever. 

503
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,720
And so maybe she just misjudged 
it slightly, who knows. 

504
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,760
And maybe the fitness isn't 100%
of what it what it what she'd 

505
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,880
like it to be. 
And I think again next year, 

506
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,160
she's so talented and she's back
in her familiar training setup 

507
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,920
in Florida where she ran her 
best a couple of years ago. 

508
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,440
I think every chance that that 
2026, you know, there isn't as 

509
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,120
much you can do unfortunately, 
if you're like a 5K10K kind of 

510
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,240
runner, there's not as much to 
target in 2026, right? 

511
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,720
Because while indoors you don't 
have anything Ultimate 

512
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,320
Championships, there's the 5K, 
but there's probably going to be

513
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,520
a whole load of Kenyans and 
Ethiopians who are going to be 

514
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,440
taking up the vast majority of 
those slots. 

515
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,040
Unless you can run a 1420 or two
through the season. 

516
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,720
It, it, it might be, there might
not be that many spots available

517
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,960
in, in the ultimate 
Championship. 

518
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,200
So and and that's maybe. 
The next the thing for both of 

519
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,640
yeah, yeah, that that could be 
the next thing It just sort of 

520
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:48,760
like try and one get back to PR 
shape in the in the 5K and then 

521
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,640
slowly chip away and try and put
together that 1420 high 

522
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,320
performance or that 1430 low 
performance. 

523
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,280
That really gets you as 
solidifies you as a contender to

524
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,360
make, you know, teams again 
because you'd look at the likes 

525
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,200
of who's who made the teams this
year. 

526
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,240
Yes, you have you know, Shelby, 
who was the former American 

527
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,560
record holder prior to, you know
her suspension. 

528
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:17,320
But then you have Josette, 
Josette Andrews who went out to 

529
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,000
Rome and ran that really fast 
time. 

530
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,840
And so at some point in your 
development, I think you're 

531
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,640
going to need to have that, that
fast performance to solidify 

532
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,320
yourself as a top Team USA and 
world contender. 

533
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,560
So maybe that's what your, your 
focus on is just get, get that 

534
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,160
speed, get that speed going. 
All right, 2K and we're batting 

535
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,560
a little, we're battling a 
little bit of a, a lag I've 

536
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,440
caught on to. 
So apologies to the podcast 

537
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,920
listeners just because I'm in a 
hotel Wi-Fi right now. 

538
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,880
So 2K races U.S. team ends up 
being AI. 

539
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,200
Think a fun squad, you got Ethan
strand, you have Wes Porter, 

540
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,080
Gracie Morris and sage hurt a 
clecker. 

541
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,200
I just love kind of like the the
range of talent on on this one. 

542
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,480
QK is just a really fun distance
to watch race for cross country 

543
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,760
just a little over a mile. 
Yeah, it was. 

544
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,800
It was. 
There was some fun races and I 

545
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,680
mean, Ethan Strand probably 
wasn't a surprise. 

546
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,960
I think Wes Porter, if anyone 
had had asked you before that 

547
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,200
race, I don't think Wes Porter 
would have been on anyone's 

548
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,000
list. 
And you know, credit to him, he 

549
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000
he put together performance. 
He's obviously a former teammate

550
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,280
of Gary Martin at UVA if you 
don't know who he is, and he now

551
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,800
runs for the Under Armour 
Baltimore group. 

552
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,160
So yeah, obviously great to see 
him put put something together 

553
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,960
and and make AUS team so early 
in his professional career. 

554
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,120
I'm laughing. 
At the fact that it's like this 

555
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,320
dude probably has run. 
I don't know. 

556
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,720
I haven't looked at his PRS. 
330-5334 for 15. 

557
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,600
Yeah, three. 
Yeah, he's. 335 for the for the 

558
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,520
1500, yeah. 
And then here. 

559
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,160
You are. 
It's like the the the one thing 

560
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,760
you want to recognize him as is 
he was a teammate of Gary 

561
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,040
Martin. 
Well. 

562
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,720
As in there was that DMR. He was
the 1200 leg in that DMR. You 

563
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,600
didn't say that. 
He's a teammate of Gary Martins.

564
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,760
Well, that's. 
Like, oh great. 

565
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,080
Like if you if this guy was in a
documentary, like his lower 

566
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,880
third would be like W Porter, 
teammate of Gary Martins. 

567
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,800
Great, Great job for you. 
But yeah, I mean, for a very 

568
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,400
unexpected person to to to make 
this team. 

569
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,280
And that's why you got to love 
cross country. 

570
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,400
It's just sort of like you can 
have a little bit of those 

571
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,040
surprise performances on the 
women's side. 

572
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,720
Gracie. 
Morris like is there's there's 

573
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,880
some sort of 2025 magic 
happening right now with Puma 

574
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,720
Elite and just the success that 
they've had. 

575
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,080
They had a very good weekend, 
didn't they? 

576
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,600
I mean, great weekend. 
But on top of that, just 

577
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,600
overall, what Alistair and Amy 
Craig are doing from 800 to the 

578
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,760
marathon is very impressive this
year to orchestrate literally 

579
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,160
all of these athletes from, you 
know, Fiona O'Keefe, you know 

580
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,280
what she did in New York to 
Dorcas Ewoi in the 1500, like 

581
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,160
it's everyone's firing on all 
cylinders. 

582
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,720
Aman Chemboy is like really, 
really good at cleaning up on 

583
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,680
these Rd. mile races and or just
a road racing circuit right now.

584
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,960
Taylor Rowe making the team on 
the track. 

585
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:43,160
So like, I guess last year was 
the year of Ed I Stone, right. 

586
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,720
And like you can make the case 
too that he had, you know, some 

587
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,520
success this year with with 
Connor and Clayton's world 

588
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,520
championship run and number of 
people who've made teams. 

589
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,600
But this year just sort of like 
if you go and include the 

590
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,920
international athletes who are 
base themselves here in the 

591
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,640
States, then like it's Alistair 
and Amy's year for sure, I 

592
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,560
think. 
Yeah, I mean Alex. 

593
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,040
Mayer as well from that group. 
There's just so many of them 

594
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,000
and, and obviously we'll come on
to Molly Bourne, who won CIM, 

595
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,280
who's also one of their 
athletes. 

596
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,280
So yeah, they've literally, 
literally been having an 

597
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,360
amazing, a really amazing year. 
So. 

598
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,560
Yeah. 
And Sage has. 

599
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,480
Obviously. 
Sorry, yeah, Sage has Clacker, 

600
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,480
obviously. 
I think, you know, she ran that 

601
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,440
5K in New York a few weeks ago. 
So she's obviously on over 

602
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,360
distance training and yeah, I 
guess 2K Cross was just just 

603
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,920
perfect for her. 
And so it's funny you bring up. 

604
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,800
That cross country, that road 
race in New York, because she 

605
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,880
wasn't in the elite field. 
She was running with with the 

606
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,280
masses. 
She was in town, of course, for 

607
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,160
you know, to cheer on Joe in his
marathon debut, But she ended up

608
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,680
running a time that I think 
either almost got her into the 

609
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,880
elite prize money. 
If you I guess if they would 

610
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,360
have gone by chip time, but it 
ended up being that I think 

611
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,680
Sage. 
Was I don't. 

612
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,600
Know if she won but was top 
three or whatever it was among 

613
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,680
like the mass participants, like
on the women's side. 

614
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,640
And I have teammates of mine who
were like, hey, can you find out

615
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,480
if Sage is a New York Rd. 
Runners member? 

616
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,160
Because there's prize money for 
New York Rd. 

617
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,720
Runners members. 
And then I texted Sage and and 

618
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:35,880
Sage is like, no, I'm not I'm 
like these, these Central Park 

619
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,800
track club girlies are just 
clawing away for their you know,

620
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,400
$500 check from from New York 
Rd. runners. 

621
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,080
And then she's like, they could 
have it. 

622
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,960
So no, I, I, yeah, Sage. 
I guess people forget that like 

623
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,520
she ran cross country for 
Colorado and so it's not like 

624
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,240
she doesn't have much experience
there. 

625
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:04,040
And she was a Miller. 
So yeah, I mean solid run by her

626
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,840
just another. 
And I she's is she racing here? 

627
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,200
Yeah, I guess she is racing here
this weekend in Hawaii, so yeah.

628
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,120
Still. 
Still at it in 2025. 

629
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,400
We'll probably get an interview 
with her at some point this 

630
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,880
weekend as well. 
So there'll be a bunch of pod 

631
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,880
like mini podcast episodes and 
interviews that we'll be 

632
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,120
uploading because why not? 
I mean, I get to record a 

633
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,960
podcast with. 
You know George. 

634
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:40,680
Beamish on the Beach. 
Nikki Hiltz, You know, on On the

635
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,840
Beach Yarid. 
So we'll we'll try and get you 

636
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,960
some more interviews from the 
merry mile here in Hawaii. 

637
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,280
But all right, I think that does
it for US. 

638
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,760
Cross the one quick note I think
that you wanted to make too is 

639
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,160
that the 2K team will be up 
against a pretty fun and strong 

640
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,800
Australian squad. 
Yeah, exactly. 

641
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,480
So the Aussie 2K team has been 
announced and that team is Jess 

642
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:10,360
Hull, Cam Myers, Linden Hall and
Ollie Hall, which is basically 

643
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,800
an All Star team for the 
Aussies. 

644
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,320
I also heard rumours that Neil 
Gurley was trying to was trying 

645
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,480
to whip up a British All Star 
team as well. 

646
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,360
So we'll see how he's gone with 
that. 

647
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,440
But yeah, I mean. 
Yeah. 

648
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,640
That that's going to be a tough 
team to beat. 

649
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,720
I, I suspect in that, in that 2K
relay, I'm not sure. 

650
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Again, I'm not sure if Faith 
Capiagon's coming to run the run

651
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,600
the TK, but I don't know. 
I guess Dorcas Ewoi might well 

652
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,640
be there for Kenya in the TK. 
Who knows? 

653
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,480
I'm interesting to see because. 
Jess and Ollie managed to get a 

654
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,880
bronze last time, right? 
Yes, they did. 

655
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,120
Yeah, because it was in 
Australia last time, so I think 

656
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,200
then, yeah. 
And we know what good form Kam 

657
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,320
Myers is in because he won the 
10K cross at at the Aussie 

658
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,800
Championships beating beating a 
couple of a couple of top 10K 

659
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,640
guys from Australia including 
Morgan McDonald you. 

660
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,440
Yeah, you think, I don't know, 
I'm going to say like you think 

661
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:22,040
of someone like Jerry Schumacher
was watching that Australian 

662
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,880
race being like, damn, should 
have recruited a Cam to come run

663
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,920
for Oregon. 
Just imagine how Cam Meyer he 

664
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,440
would be in the NCAA right now, 
right? 

665
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,280
Pretty sure. 
Yes, yeah, yeah. 

666
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,440
He's only what is he, 1920? 
Yeah. 

667
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,040
I don't know if he's even 20. 
So that's super. 

668
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,120
Young in the NCA nowadays. 
Yeah. 

669
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,080
All right, that does it for 
cross country. 

670
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,640
Let's move on to Valencia. 
This one. 

671
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,400
Historically, last couple years 
has treated us to some of the 

672
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,640
best marathon performances in 
history. 

673
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:09,600
Last year put Sebastian Sawy on 
the map the year before or two 

674
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:10,680
years before that. 
Right? 

675
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:17,320
2022 is Calvin Kipten's debut. 
2023 I'm trying to remember off 

676
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,320
the top of my head. 
Yes. 

677
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:26,840
He was a 2O1 as well. 
And this year, men's side not 

678
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,120
as. 
Crazy. 

679
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,640
At the top, like John career 
bounces back from the Chicago 

680
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:40,160
Marathon DNF and wins in in two 
O 224 PB moves him to #8 on the 

681
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,520
all time list. 
Not a total shocker, you know, 

682
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,640
all things considered, because 
he's he's talked a big talk 

683
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,640
about you know trying to get 
under 2O1. 

684
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,120
He's still got a ways to go, but
then again, sort of like. 

685
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,400
Kiptim was just. 
Sort of like the rare exception 

686
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,960
of someone being able to take 
these huge chunks off of their 

687
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,200
time. 
At, at when? 

688
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:11,760
They were starting off at 
2O12O2, but John career still I 

689
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,960
think among the top three 
marathoners in the world, it's 

690
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,480
really close to try and think. 
Is it Saw Wei? 

691
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,520
Is it Kiplimo? 
Is it John career? 

692
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,200
Had it not been for the DNF in 
Chicago, maybe careers case 

693
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,240
would be a little bit stronger, 
but this is a good way to to 

694
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,640
bounce back. 
Of the three, I guess I would 

695
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,360
agree maybe with the. 
World. 

696
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,160
Did World Athletics give it to 
Sebastian Salway? 

697
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,960
They did, yes. 
Yeah. 

698
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,520
So I think I agree with that as 
well. 

699
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:50,240
He won London and then after 
that on a tough day in Berlin, 

700
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,680
to run what he did I think was 
really good showing. 

701
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,520
I'm going to guess that we get 
SAW VS Kiplimo Round 2 in 

702
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,200
London. 
I think that just because John 

703
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,600
Career is the defending champion
in Boston that the returning 

704
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:14,040
appearance fee is just way too 
good to pass up, that this kind 

705
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,000
of prevents him from going out 
there. 

706
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,200
So he's able to say he was able 
to, I guess, get a fast time and

707
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,080
then see where where the cards 
are going to land among those 

708
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,960
other guys racing. 
That's the hardest part, I guess

709
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,080
about like winning Boston or New
York is it's sort of like you 

710
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,200
get these recurring checks to 
come keep coming back and it 

711
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,880
just kind of shoots you from 
going out and being able to run,

712
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,520
you know, record record setting 
times behind Career. 

713
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,680
There was German national record
by Amal Petros. 

714
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,440
He's, he's at the World 
Champions Championship, right? 

715
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,120
So amanel. 
Petros was the guy who lost out 

716
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,720
by .03 of a second. 
Yeah, OK, all. 

717
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,000
Right, that's that's what I was 
thinking for the. 

718
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,000
For the silver medal, So he got 
the silver medal, but this 

719
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,320
second place, he was ecstatic if
you saw him cross the finish 

720
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,920
line. 
I mean, you know, 2O four O 3 is

721
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,200
a is a really good, really good 
result, a massive chunk of 

722
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,840
German national record. 
And it was a good weekend for 

723
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,520
the former Eritreans because 
Amanel Petros, Alec Kibrab, who 

724
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,960
came in just behind him, who's 
now from Norway, also a former 

725
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,080
Eritrean and of course we had 
Wayne Clati winning the the US 

726
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,160
cross. 
So yeah, good weekend for for 

727
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,320
former Eritreans. 
Shout out to. 

728
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,040
Our Eritrean listeners. 
Yeah, well, with the the notable

729
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,840
thing about out Kibrap is that 
he's sat in the bar for what 

730
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,240
Jacob's going to have to 
eventually try and take down. 

731
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,880
Like this is the national record
that Jacob Bingham Brits and has

732
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,800
to stare down. 
Yes. 

733
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,160
Absolutely. 
One thing I was going to say 

734
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,800
about this race, John career, 
obviously he went through the 

735
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,960
half in 6147. 
They were dawdling a little bit 

736
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:07,360
at the beginning of this race 
and and you know, John career 

737
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,000
just took off at about 25 K. 
So he was running, you know, up 

738
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,680
until that point he was they 
were running 257A kilometre and 

739
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,400
he drops dropped it to 251 for 
the rest of the race and just 

740
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,440
kept on going. 
And so that's massive chunk, 

741
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:31,440
massive negative split. 
And it it tells you again, I 

742
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,480
think you know, whilst in 
Chicago they went out. 

743
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,720
It too. 
Fast and then he tried to 

744
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:42,240
accelerate off that pace and 
then he bumped and had to DNF. 

745
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,680
It's such fine margins that 6147
maybe if they'd gone out 

746
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:52,760
61306120, I don't know. 
Would that have then meant he 

747
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,840
could have got some, you know, 
sub 2O2, right? 

748
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,680
That's the that's the but it's 
such a fine line. 

749
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,000
And this is the problem, like 
the other guys that went out in 

750
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,520
that lead group with him all 
fell apart while Petros and 

751
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:09,040
Kebrab were in the second group 
and they were able to kind of 

752
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,480
pick up all the guys who there 
was some other Ethiopians and 

753
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,840
Kenyans who looked pretty good 
for 2/3 of the race and then 

754
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,760
just fell apart in the last 1012
K. 

755
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,160
So it is an exploratory era 
where people are trying to 

756
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,800
figure out where, you know, 
where the limits are and do you 

757
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,160
swing for the fences or do you 
go with the second group and and

758
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,680
maybe do what, Yeah, do what the
likes of Kibram and Petrus did. 

759
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,280
I think that. 
That's a great point to to raise

760
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:46,080
pre that the way people are 
trying to, you know, think about

761
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,880
running close to the world 
record or move up on the all 

762
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,640
time list is sort of like, yeah,
I mean even kept him negative 

763
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,160
split his whole thing. 
It's it's not easy to do and 

764
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,600
it's very hard to properly 
execute. 

765
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:05,200
But I do start to think that 
like someone like Kiplimo could 

766
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,520
probably benefit from a much 
more cautious conservative first

767
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,640
half and then ratchet it down in
the in the second-half. 

768
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Because, you know, even if 
career managed to negative split

769
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,440
this a little bit like he did, 
it worked in his favor. 

770
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,720
The only thing is, I think that 
you take those swings at 

771
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,400
something like Valencia where 
the prize purse isn't as big as 

772
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,320
$150,000 at the Boston Marathon 
or whatever it is at the 

773
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,440
Chicago, New York City Marathon.
Because your goal there is to 

774
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,600
win and get the collect that 
money. 

775
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,640
If if you run the world record 
or a national record and you 

776
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,680
collect those other bonuses, 
that's extra. 

777
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,680
I think that that's sort of 
where there's a conscious 

778
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:54,880
thought in the race where you're
just sort of like, all right, I 

779
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,520
got to I've got to win today. 
Today is about winning and 

780
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,280
breaking John career. 
And that's why like I'm OK with 

781
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,520
tying up in the closing miles 
and letting a record setting 

782
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,600
time slip away. 
So yeah, I'd be curious to see 

783
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:13,360
hear what the plan ends up being
in a London of sorts. 

784
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,760
Where do they learn from Chicago
and a Valencia and and and 

785
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,760
Berlin to think, all right, 
maybe we're not going to go out 

786
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,520
and hammer because what the the 
the way the world the last two 

787
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,720
world records have been set with
Kiptem obviously running like 

788
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:32,840
what was it 5947 in the 
second-half of his Chicago that 

789
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,080
was so different. 
But when Kipchoki did it, his 

790
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,600
first half was sub 60. 
So like there's two different 

791
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,760
ways and I think that the Kiptem
way is what career and Kip limo 

792
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,320
Sawy might be better better 
suited for. 

793
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,680
So, yeah, this one, this one was
a good one. 

794
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,760
And then Suguru Asako, third 
time breaking the Japanese 

795
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,800
national record in fourth place.
Former training partner of Eric 

796
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:05,280
Jenkins still going strong. 
And and, and this one was was 

797
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,200
good 'cause I, I follow him on 
Instagram and this like for as 

798
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,760
long as he's been going like 
he's just been a, a grinder who,

799
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,240
yeah, I guess like he's just 
kept at it and he's carried 

800
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:25,120
Japanese distance running this 
whole entire time of I know you 

801
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,080
want to talk about Alex E 7th 
place yeah. 

802
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:28,520
Should we? 
Should. 

803
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,960
We do that. 
So yeah, two O 6. 38 for the 

804
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,960
Olympic triathlon champion and I
think what we discussed on the 

805
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:43,240
episode last week was that the 
triathlon marathon double is 

806
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:49,600
possible at the 2028 LA 
Olympics. 

807
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,240
So after this performance, I 
think you're thinking about it a

808
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:55,960
little bit more. 
All right, Pre what were your 

809
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,360
your, you were very pumped about
this one. 

810
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,160
Yeah, I mean. 
Obviously the first thing to say

811
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,200
is he is now the second fastest 
Brit of all time behind only 

812
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,360
Samo Farah. 
The irony was he was paced to 

813
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,760
this by the current second or 
the previous second fastest Brit

814
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,920
who was Emil Caress. 
So I don't know why he was so 

815
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,880
generous and and paced arrival 
to to overtake his his place on 

816
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,320
the on the British all time 
list. 

817
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,680
But but there you are. 
I mean, we were at one point 

818
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,360
Emil Caress. 
We were thinking that he would 

819
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,440
he would actually finish the 
race because I think he went to 

820
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,800
about 23 miles or something and 
he could have probably run 

821
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,440
faster than Alex Yeeh had he 
finished. 

822
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,640
But he he chose not to. 
And I think his training 

823
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,720
partners are saying he's 
probably in two O 4 shape or 

824
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:47,880
something. 
But but Alex Yee, I mean, he's a

825
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,320
triathlete and it's only a 
second ever marathon and he's 

826
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,920
run two O 6 now. 
It's Valencia, of course, 

827
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,320
Valencia, maybe, maybe Valencia 
gives you 20 seconds, 30 

828
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,400
seconds, who knows, But you 
know, he got it absolutely 

829
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,720
right. 
He speed up at the end of the 

830
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:08,040
race and he and that was that 
was what was was really 

831
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,240
impressive that he was able to 
hold the pace throughout. 

832
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,200
He was running alongside Phil 
Sussman and they they were doing

833
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,560
a lot of their training together
and Phil Sussman run it around 

834
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,560
his second two O 7 low in in the
space of a few weeks. 

835
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,640
But but Alex, he was just able 
to to pull away in the in that 

836
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:30,400
last kind of 510K and hold a 
little bit of a quicker pace. 

837
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,360
So yeah, I mean for someone who 
has only run 2 marathons and is 

838
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,280
a triathlete, like it shows what
tanted athlete he is. 

839
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,280
He is one of the best in the 
world at doing something for 

840
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:47,360
around 2 hours, which is what a 
triathlon takes as well. 

841
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,480
So I, I suspect that's probably 
part of it, that he, he has the 

842
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,960
endurance and, and the training,
which is then transferable. 

843
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,800
But it's not a perfect transfer,
as we've seen from like the 

844
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,440
likes of Gwench, Orkinson and 
others that it's not, it's not 

845
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,040
that easy to, to do this 
transition and, and he's done it

846
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,040
so successfully. 
But at the same time, guess if 

847
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,840
you look, you should look up the
results of the World Junior 

848
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:18,480
Championship in 2016, won by a 
certain Salomon Borrega in the 

849
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,040
5K. 
But behind him was was a certain

850
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,240
Alex Yee and, and a few. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

851
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,840
Not he wasn't. 2nd but but he 
but he was pretty well that that

852
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,000
maybe I'm just pulling up those 
results actually I didn't have 

853
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,120
them yes so. 
Yeah, so it shouldn't. 

854
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,320
Come as a shock, this guy's good
at running. 

855
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,080
Yeah, he was. 9th And he was 
just ahead of a certain Mr. 

856
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,280
Jimmy Gressier, The world. 
10,000 meters. 

857
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,840
No way. 
Good find. 

858
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,880
Wow, you should tweet that when 
this podcast that that. 

859
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,680
Yeah, that, that wasn't, that 
wasn't me. 

860
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,200
To be fair. 
I, I got that off another 

861
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,760
podcast. 
I can't remember which one now. 

862
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,560
I think a couple of them 
mentioned it so, so I won't take

863
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,680
full credit for it, but yeah, 
absolutely fantastic. 

864
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,320
You know. 
So yeah, he he's, he's always 

865
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,640
been a good runner and he grew 
up running before he 

866
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,360
transitioned to triathlon. 
So he does have more of a 

867
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,400
running background. 
But yeah, as I say, very 

868
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,560
impressive. 
And yeah, he, he hasn't ruled 

869
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,480
out doing more marathons, but he
has said that next year he's 

870
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,960
going to focus on the triathlon.
There's a home Commonwealth 

871
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,520
Games which I suspect he will be
be targeting. 

872
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,600
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on the podcast, so we'll just 
have to wait and see. 

915
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,480
I know he's on vacation right 
now, as a lot of marathoners 

916
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,640
like to do right after, so we'll
see if we get a good chat with 

917
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:06,560
him about this performance. 
All right, over on the women's 

918
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:14,240
side, the story on this one, 
Jocelyn Kosgai runs 214 flat, 

919
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:20,760
which puts her at #3 or 4 on the
all time list. 

920
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,120
Four all time. 
Yes, behind Chapan, Gedditch, 

921
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,240
Asafa and Hassan. 
OK. 

922
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,000
Yeah, so I mean, faster than 
what? 

923
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,920
Bridget Cosguy's world record 
from 2019? 

924
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,040
This. 
It was a course record. 

925
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:41,440
It was, I think, Oh, this puts 
our number 2 on the Canyon all 

926
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,760
time list, which I think an 
astute commenter who would on 

927
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,400
Instagram was like, well, 
obviously this you can consider 

928
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:54,680
this the Kenyan national record.
If you don't believe in Ruth 

929
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:59,680
Chapin, get Itch's two O 9. 
Now the interesting part and you

930
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,840
can maybe explain what exactly 
happened because I I didn't get 

931
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:08,120
up to watch this one live. 
Preet is Paris church here. 

932
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,760
The world champion ends up 
running 21443 for 2nd place but 

933
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,720
there was some confusion over 
the pacemaker. 

934
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:21,120
She made a break for it and the 
Pacers that were with Chip 

935
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:26,520
Cosguy and Chip Chircher, he was
just, he was Chip Cosguy's 

936
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,800
personal 1 and so he just stayed
back and like so Chip Chircher 

937
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,720
was left with no help. 
What exactly happened? 

938
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,120
Yeah. 
So what was interesting is that 

939
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,800
if you saw the pacing groups for
the marathon before, there was 

940
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,800
no pacing group for the lead 
women. 

941
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,760
And what happened was Chuck 
Goskai and Chuck Churchill each 

942
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,800
had their own personal Pacers 
who effectively were pacing 

943
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,400
together because the two women 
were together for a very large 

944
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:56,000
part of the race. 
And then I think Chuck Church's 

945
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:01,600
pacer dropped off somewhere 
around 2530 K and it was only 

946
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,600
Chip Kosko's pacer. 
And I think he was kind of kept 

947
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,760
on looking behind to see where 
Chip Kosko was because Chip 

948
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,240
Churchill was right behind him. 
And he then kind of, I think 

949
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,400
Chip Churchill was like, I want 
to go a little bit faster, but 

950
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,560
he wasn't going any faster 
because Chip Kosko was 

951
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,800
struggling a little bit in the, 
in the middle, middle part of 

952
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,400
the marathon. 
And so Churchill just kind of 

953
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,680
went around him and kind of, you
know, got 20 meters ahead and 

954
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:33,000
then kind of, you know, just to 
kind of show her frustrating and

955
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,560
then and then and then, you 
know, but obviously the pacer 

956
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,440
just stayed with with Chakosky 
and. 

957
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,880
And then? 
Chakosky dropped back again and 

958
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,200
eventually, like Chakosky 
started looking really good and 

959
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,240
then she just took off with the 
pacer and or rather she didn't 

960
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:56,040
take off, take off so much as 
Jeff Churchill was like, I can't

961
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,520
keep this going anymore and slow
down just a fraction. 

962
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,280
You could kind of see the moment
where she kind of was like, OK, 

963
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,440
I'm done in terms of competing 
for the win, but she obviously 

964
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:11,280
still hug on for a very 
impressive 2nd place time of 

965
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,240
two. 1443. 
But yeah, this happened in 2022 

966
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,280
when Armani Bariso and the 
Tessenberg Guide were at the 

967
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:26,920
Valencia Marathon and Guide had 
a phalanx of personal paces from

968
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,800
the NN running team and Barista 
didn't have a pacer, but she was

969
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,240
running with the leader. 
And then Good Day basically 

970
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,960
bunked right towards the end of 
the race, Barista took off and 

971
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:46,560
ran her 214 course record 21450 
something I think it was. 

972
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,000
And but the pace didn't go with 
her. 

973
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,240
And there was controversy at 
that time. 

974
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,160
And I think it's, I don't know 
what you think, Chris, like. 

975
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,440
What? 
How should we like how, how 

976
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,440
should this kind of system work 
for Pacers? 

977
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,840
Because should it just be that 
you only have paces for the race

978
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,880
or should you let people have 
personal paces and then you end 

979
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,200
up, particularly when it's at 
the front of the race, you get 

980
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:20,360
this kind of situation? 
I think it all depends. 

981
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,880
I I I've been thinking more and 
more about Scott Fobbles. 

982
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,960
I don't know if you listen to 
his exit interview, but he we 

983
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,760
were playing the role of 
marathon czar. 

984
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,480
Like what would be a big 
sweeping change that you make? 

985
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,680
And he's like, well, just 
designate 2 races a year as your

986
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,200
world record races. 
Everyone else, no pacemakers you

987
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,040
outlawed. 
And if in order for you to have,

988
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:47,480
you know, XYZ status, no Pacers.
And so I'm in favor of that. 

989
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,760
I like that a lot. 
And part of that would be but if

990
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,440
you are going for something like
this. 

991
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,240
I don't know, I guess. 
Like it depends on how. 

992
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,200
If you have the. 
Resources to recruit and pay for

993
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,200
your own pacemaker to try and 
guide you all the way to the 

994
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,400
finish line or if the race has 
the budget to supply it for 

995
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:14,200
those people personally, then 
yeah, you just have to be very 

996
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,280
selective about who you can get.
You don't want to recruit 

997
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,200
someone who's then like not 
going to be able to handle a 

998
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,480
pace or doesn't go as far as you
as you did. 

999
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,800
When you go back and watch some 
of these Chicago races, you 

1000
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,920
could see sometimes the male 
pacemakers encouraging the 

1001
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,000
leading woman, and sometimes 
there's two of them that are 

1002
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,040
flanking them and cheering them 
on. 

1003
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,240
I have no problem with it 
actually, because it's going to 

1004
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,040
help ensure that that 
performance happens. 

1005
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,760
But so in something like this, 
it's just sort of like. 

1006
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,360
I'm personally thinking. 
It's like, all right, pairs of 

1007
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,800
pures. 
Maybe your pacemaker selection 

1008
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,280
wasn't that great, or it didn't 
work out in your favor. 

1009
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,960
The game's the game, and Chip 
Cosguy has hers. 

1010
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,360
It's just like. 
I, I Yeah. 

1011
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,640
I guess it's like you have the 
the you're allowed to have this 

1012
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,040
tool. 
To age. 

1013
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:15,760
You and if you use your tool too
early or unwisely, then you're 

1014
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,040
left to fend for yourself. 
And so I think that's kind of 

1015
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,120
what happened. 
So I have no problem with 

1016
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,920
personal pacemakers and races, 
and it should be, but it should 

1017
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:30,200
be clear, I think to both the 
viewers and from the organizers 

1018
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,960
that like this person has this 
person and this person has this 

1019
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,640
person so that there isn't any 
confusion. 

1020
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,600
That's, I think where I. 
I wonder. 

1021
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,520
I wonder whether you say look 
because like the men in general,

1022
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,880
they can only have a pacer who's
going to go 30K, right? 

1023
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,560
And I think, I don't know what I
think the best thing that you 

1024
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,360
could do potentially is that you
say, look, even for the women's 

1025
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,280
races, the Pacers drop off at 30
K. 

1026
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,720
So then after that they just 
race, right, which then kind of 

1027
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,240
makes that somewhat more 
consistent with with the men's 

1028
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,240
races. 
And you also then get more 

1029
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,960
racing at the end of the race 
potentially. 

1030
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,840
The only thing I suppose that is
a little bit tricky is when you 

1031
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,640
are in a mixed race, there's 
probably some believe men who 

1032
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,440
are running that pace who you 
could then latch onto instead. 

1033
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,240
So maybe that doesn't work as 
effectively unless there's a 

1034
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:27,360
separate stop. 
But, but that was the only thing

1035
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,000
that I could think of where it's
a kind of a sensible balance 

1036
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,120
where you get your pacemakers. 
But for the most kind of where 

1037
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,240
it's kind of this kind of thing 
where it can really affect the 

1038
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,640
result of the race, depending on
what that pacer decides to do, 

1039
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,880
which it may it could have done 
here. 

1040
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,760
And that that was I think the 
point that it could have 

1041
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,480
affected the result of this race
because the pacer didn't go with

1042
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:49,720
Jeff Church here. 
She didn't really help. 

1043
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,800
And then she she started 
struggling and and whether that 

1044
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,680
was her moments ago, maybe maybe
she wouldn't have won, but you 

1045
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,800
know, you'd like to think that 
whoever's the fastest person 

1046
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,320
shouldn't the pace to go with 
them to help them. 

1047
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,800
And, and I think that's where I 
think it's just a little bit of 

1048
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,000
a, if you're in the part of the 
race where you're supposed to be

1049
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,480
racing, I think maybe that's 
that's where we should just get 

1050
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:19,840
the paces to drop off. 30 Ki 
don't know if you've ever seen 

1051
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,880
the videos of like the the one 
volunteer who sweeps at the New 

1052
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,880
York City Marathon and tries to 
like pull off people off the 

1053
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,400
course who don't have a bib and 
are clearly like just jumped in 

1054
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,120
the race to like with their 
friend. 

1055
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,320
Like there's, there's a bunch of
those videos every single year. 

1056
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,640
There's one guy in particular on
5th Ave. who's like very good at

1057
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,200
spotting and then like tell 
them, get the heck off the 

1058
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,680
course. 
So you're saying AT30K that that

1059
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,400
guy is going to be there and 
he's going to say Hey, you got 

1060
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,080
to get off the course if you're 
a pacemaker and just let let the

1061
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,880
ladies race from here on out. 
That's what you're saying 

1062
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,120
exactly I. 
Mean, I, I, Yeah, I think so, 

1063
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,200
but I think you won't. 
Yeah. 

1064
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,080
Well, I hope you're the pace 
with that guy. 

1065
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,600
Yeah, well, it'll be more fun, I
suppose, if you had someone just

1066
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,880
like manhandling people off the 
course, but yeah, that'll be the

1067
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,560
idea. 
Other results from. 

1068
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:11,560
Valencia on the women's race. 
I came away obviously impressed.

1069
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,560
Jess Stenson, Australian 
national record, 221. 

1070
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,320
The Australians, I mean, they 
had their top stars all head to 

1071
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,240
Valencia. 
Jen Gregson did. 

1072
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,960
She ended up running 228, I 
believe. 

1073
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,920
And I think it's 5 or 6 months 
postpartum. 

1074
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,880
Kind of remarkable. 
Yeah, she, yeah, she. 

1075
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,560
Had a She had a really good race
as well. 

1076
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,520
Izzy backed Doyle was 7th in 
223. 

1077
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,000
And I'm trying to find Jen 
Gregson. 

1078
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,440
Oh yeah, Jen Gregson ran two, 
yeah, 22851. 

1079
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,600
So yeah. 
As for the Americans, A. 

1080
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,720
Little bit of a. 
Warmer day, I mean didn't stop 

1081
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,800
the front end of here's the 
thing. 

1082
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,560
It's like when I think it's been
Emma based both times has said 

1083
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,000
like it's a little bit too warm 
to go after a record. 

1084
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,480
And the last time that happened 
in Chicago when there was like 

1085
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,520
big talk about the potential 
American record run, the 

1086
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,560
Americans didn't go for it and 
Ruth Chebenget ends up breaking 

1087
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,080
the world record at the front 
end of the race. 

1088
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,840
So it's like, oh, it was too 
warm, but then a world record 

1089
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,840
was set out there at the front 
end of the race. 

1090
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,120
And in this one, it's like, oh, 
it's too warm. 

1091
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,200
But then also the winner ran 
214. 

1092
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,720
I mean, on top of that, I think 
that there's a whole other 

1093
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,440
element to the fact that like, 
Emma Bates was dealing with some

1094
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,600
some health issues and finally 
got that sorted. 

1095
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,320
So she ends up running. 
What was the final result for 

1096
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,720
Emma Bates, 225? 
51 for Emma Bates but yes, as 

1097
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,840
you mentioned, like she she was 
diagnosed with hemochromatosis 

1098
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,280
part way through this build. 
And that's something you know, 

1099
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,440
where where, you know, there's a
bit of challenge managing your 

1100
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,160
iron levels and stuff. 
So it is a bit, you know, it has

1101
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,280
an effect on your running and. 
And maybe I think she was it it 

1102
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,320
sounded like she was happy with 
the result given the 

1103
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,840
circumstances. 
But obviously, yeah, we've, 

1104
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,320
we've always wanted to see Emma 
Bates RIP a fast one. 

1105
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,080
And this was kind of the, the 
golden opportunity to do that. 

1106
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,160
But, but obviously, you know, 
circumstances to take otherwise.

1107
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:17,080
But I think similarly, Kira 
d'amato 2/28/14 But I think she 

1108
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,040
was again, pretty pleased given 
the struggle she's had with 

1109
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:24,000
injury and, and, and a couple of
DNFS and stuff to actually just 

1110
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,840
get this one under a belt in a, 
in a decent, you know, decent 

1111
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,280
time. 
Yeah. 

1112
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,240
They both got the US Olympic 
Marathon Trials qualifying mark.

1113
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:40,720
That window's open and it kind 
of brings us to our next race to

1114
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,080
talk about. 
Just CIM before I move. 

1115
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,880
On can I just mention like one 
really cool story I think that I

1116
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,680
tweeted about from. 
Valencia's race. 

1117
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,160
Go for it. 
Go for it. 

1118
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,040
Yeah, Yeah. 
So. 

1119
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,720
So there were there were two 
other really impressive national

1120
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,720
records. 
Chloe Herbie of Belgium ran 

1121
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,200
22038, which was really 
impressive national record. 

1122
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,600
And it was an unexpected 1 I 
think. 

1123
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,600
I don't think people were were 
expecting that. 

1124
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,920
And apparently she's running 
Euro Cross next weekend. 

1125
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,000
But the most impressive 
performance was Alyssa Vineyo of

1126
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,080
Finland. 
She ran 22048, but she came 

1127
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:25,280
fifth at the World Championships
in Tokyo on September 14th. 

1128
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:34,200
On October 4th, she set the 
Finnish national record in 223 

1129
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,880
at the Finnish National 
Championships. 

1130
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:43,040
And then two months later she's 
run 22048 to LOP, another 3 

1131
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,680
minutes off a national record 
here. 

1132
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:51,800
So 3 marathons in the space of, 
you know, three months and all 

1133
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,360
absolute, you know, hit them at 
the park. 

1134
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,840
And on top of that, she now has 
the Nordic record. 

1135
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,120
And you might ask, why should I 
care about the Nordic record? 

1136
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:03,440
Yeah, why should I care about 
the? 

1137
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,560
Nordic Record. 
It was held by Ingrid 

1138
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,560
Christensen. 
It was set in 1985 and was her 

1139
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:19,840
221 world record. 
So that is why it's set in. 

1140
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:25,680
Chicago. 
I cannot remember now, but I 

1141
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,920
could this. 
Is this is, I've been deep in 

1142
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,960
the 80s right now in my book 
research. 

1143
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,840
And so that's why I was, I was 
like Ingrid Christensen, all 

1144
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,280
right, 1980s, I believe, because
then that's when Greta Weitz was

1145
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,240
crushing it in New York. 
And I think Ingrid was the 

1146
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,960
equivalent in Chicago at the 
time, am I right? 

1147
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:50,320
Yeah. 221 O 6 No in London. 
Damn, she set that one. 

1148
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,240
In April 1985 thought my recall.
Would be better there 2 two 

1149
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:55,000
months older than. 
Me. 

1150
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,800
That record? 
Really. 

1151
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,960
I guess now people can do the 
math and find out how old Preet 

1152
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:02,600
is. 
We're learning so much about 

1153
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,400
that right away, right? 
We're. 

1154
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,720
Learning so much about Preet 
last last week because of the 

1155
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:12,160
Grand Slam settlement stuff, we 
learned what Preet does for his 

1156
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,000
full time job and now people 
learned a little bit more about 

1157
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,520
how old he is. 
So there we go. 

1158
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,800
All right, let's go to CIM. 
We can hit this one really 

1159
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:29,399
quick. 
Molly Bourne wins the women's US

1160
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,479
Marathon title in her debut. 
Do you have the time in front of

1161
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:38,800
you by chance? 
No, but it was a 223 or 224 I 

1162
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:39,840
think. 
Yeah. 

1163
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,680
And she? 
Fell Farrah Hall behind. 

1164
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,840
Around 2:24, so yeah. 
Molly Bourne fell with like 200 

1165
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,000
meters to go and then got back 
up like Chumbawamba song and 

1166
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:55,760
just captured the title again. 
Big weekend for Puma Elite. 

1167
01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:02,359
Put some Zena Selasse two O 9 
for the win here. 

1168
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,399
Making progress. 
I think I, I like, I just don't 

1169
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:10,720
know what remember. 
I guess it's talking to Fawble 

1170
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,920
on the exit interview last week.
I was like, man, it was like, do

1171
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,520
you remember when Americans were
having trouble breaking 210? 

1172
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,080
And now you got a bunch of guys 
breaking 210? 

1173
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,840
Two O 8 is the new 210. 
It feels like if you can break 

1174
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,439
that, then like, I guess you're 
among the upper echelon of 

1175
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,160
American marathoners. 
And then Connor Manse is sitting

1176
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:37,200
in a in a throne at the very top
of all of that, But he's just it

1177
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:40,080
could be the shoes. 
It could be, you know, catching 

1178
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,000
good weather and great training.
But it just feels like a lot of 

1179
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,600
like, am I really all that 
swayed by FTSM winning in two O 

1180
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,439
9? 
Not really. 

1181
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,720
I think that this still kind of 
maybe puts him in the just 

1182
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,400
outside the top 20 or of 
American marathoners right now. 

1183
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,040
There's just so many guys who 
are so good. 

1184
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,280
Like we forget Matt Rickman a 
year ago, around or less than a 

1185
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:12,040
year ago, I guess was ran 2O2O6 
high right in at in LA and it's 

1186
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,000
like, oh, we forgot about that 
guy. 

1187
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,000
BIA a year ago ran 2O6IN 
Valencia. 

1188
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:23,040
So Americans have just gotten 
American men have progressed so 

1189
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:27,040
much that like to really be 
impressive. 

1190
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:31,560
I think you got to start getting
closer to two O 8 or faster than

1191
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,480
that. 
But All in all, it ended up 

1192
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:37,160
being a a a good fundraise to 
watch. 

1193
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:43,440
Sarah Hall was very, very 
impressive, especially given the

1194
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:46,240
fact that she DNF in New York or
Chicago. 

1195
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:50,520
Which one was it? 
But was able to bounce back one 

1196
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,840
of those two longevity like 
she's got a book that's coming 

1197
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,480
out in in a couple months. 
I think it's called for the love

1198
01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:02,640
of the grind that, you know, I 
guess hopefully we'll have some 

1199
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,600
of the secrets of how she's been
able to go for so long. 

1200
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:09,240
Nine US Olympic trials, if you 
count like the times that she 

1201
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:14,680
ran, I believe the steeplechase,
the 5K, the 1500, the 10K on the

1202
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,480
track, and now the marathon 
trials. 

1203
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:23,600
So she'll be going strong. 
And then, of course, I guess if 

1204
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:29,640
we're talking Olympic trials, we
had 54 American women snag it, 

1205
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,560
55 women ran under the standard.
One of them was Canadian. 

1206
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,520
And so in the rush to get the 
graphic out, we included her. 

1207
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,560
Plus, I guess, like, the results
had everyone listed with, you 

1208
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,080
know, their hometowns and how 
they register for the race. 

1209
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,080
So everyone was listed with, 
like, an American flag, unless 

1210
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,320
it was like a British person, I 
think, who had, like, their 

1211
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,040
thing. 
So you can see why we initially 

1212
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:57,200
went with 55, but the real 
number's 54 on the men's side. 

1213
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:02,200
This one was, was right, 5252 
men get the OTQ. 

1214
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:10,440
And yeah, I think we're, I, I 
guess I haven't looked and seen 

1215
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:15,760
what the totals are right now. 
But what I kind of picked up on,

1216
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,400
and this is something I think I 
tweeted about and commented from

1217
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,600
the Marathon Book account, is 
that. 

1218
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,040
When USATF. 
Moved the goal posts from 2:45 

1219
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,920
to 2:37. 
It was really daunting for some 

1220
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,120
of those women who ran, you 
know, say 242-2243 or were just 

1221
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,120
under in that first go round in 
2020. 

1222
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,040
The pandemic hits, people's, you
know, lives changed, their 

1223
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:44,440
relationship was running changes
and some people go even further 

1224
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:49,760
all in. 
And I think the common theme was

1225
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,480
that on the women's side. 
And people just saw. 

1226
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:55,840
Saw that they'd be like, all 
right in the same way I guess a 

1227
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,840
couple weeks ago I was talking 
about how like, you know, I want

1228
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,760
Cindy McLaughlin to rise to the 
challenge of like the 204 

1229
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,320
hundred double in LA. 
Like I think women viewed the 

1230
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,600
237 and be like, all right, 
they're making it tough. 

1231
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,880
We got this. 
We're we're going to go after 

1232
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,480
it. 
And they did. 

1233
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:16,120
And some women got it and that 
progression continued. 

1234
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,800
And for others, they came up 
just shy and just short and. 

1235
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,800
She just needed a little. 
Bit of extra time, so I think in

1236
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,240
the lab count. 
I wrote the blurb on Leanne 

1237
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,840
Shereck, good friend of Sidious 
Mag, used to Co host the Runners

1238
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:30,960
of New York City podcast with 
me. 

1239
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,000
She was one of those women. 
She ran 242 in CIM in 2018, ran 

1240
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,480
2020 trials, and then after that
missed the 24 trials, but you 

1241
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:42,960
know, got a personal best of 
239. 

1242
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:47,800
And now continuing on in that 
progression, the OTQ for 2028 

1243
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:52,440
holds steady at 2:37 and now 
you've got a wave of 2020 

1244
01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:56,760
qualifiers who are continuing on
in that progression and never 

1245
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,920
gave up on hopes of returning to
the trials. 

1246
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,000
And now we're getting the 
standard and getting it early in

1247
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,880
the window too, which is 
encouraging for, you know, 

1248
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,840
because it allows them to 
continue progressing and, and 

1249
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,920
show up in, in great form in LA.
And I think the, the smart thing

1250
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,560
that USATF did was start this 
window early, especially for the

1251
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,800
women for family planning 
reasons, right? 

1252
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,040
Like now, if you were at CIM 
this past weekend, you snag the 

1253
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,080
standard. 
Like there's an opportunity 

1254
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:29,920
there to, you know, focus on a 
family in 2026 if, if that's of 

1255
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,560
interest. 
And then, you know, work your 

1256
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,080
way back in 2027 for the 28 
trials. 

1257
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:38,680
So yeah, I mean it's just like 
there's so many awesome stories.

1258
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:43,880
We are thinking about some 
special projects that we're 

1259
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,200
going to have in store in 2026 
and we're talking to a couple 

1260
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:53,800
potential sponsors centering on 
the stories of the 28 trials. 

1261
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:58,160
And so that might be coming in 
the over the next couple months,

1262
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,960
but it just really feel good. 
I think like Audrey Allen, our 

1263
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,400
photographer was planted at the 
finish line of CIM. 

1264
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,920
And I told her, get as many 
photos of like the, you know, 

1265
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,440
women's Olympic trials 
qualifiers and the men who hit 

1266
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:14,520
it, 'cause, you know, there was 
a lot of them too. 

1267
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,400
And, and she was like, I was 
crying at the finish line. 

1268
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,360
And it's an emotional, you know,
especially watching the clock 

1269
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,720
tick in that final minute and 
you just see the joy of people 

1270
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,520
who just crossed the finish line
in there, also turned around 

1271
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,160
waiting to welcome more people 
into the club until that clock 

1272
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,120
hits, you know, the standard. 
And then there's the people who 

1273
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:40,600
just fall just short. 
But yeah, so I mean, the OTQ it 

1274
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,040
takes, you know, I guess like 
this and I you've been silent 

1275
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,040
this whole time Preet because 
like, I guess you guys don't 

1276
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,440
have something like this as 
much, right? 

1277
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:54,520
And like I it's, it's it does 
wonders, I think for that sub 

1278
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:59,560
elite community, you guys have 
more of like the club system and

1279
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,880
so many more club 10K races and 
obviously cross country and 

1280
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:11,520
stuff where and, and rich track 
club like races and stuff. 

1281
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,240
But from the marathon 
developmental standpoint, like 

1282
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:19,440
it's just really cool to see 
that here in the states people 

1283
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:22,440
can shoot for, OK, just started 
running. 

1284
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:27,640
Maybe a try and get a BQ, then I
try and break 3 hours and then 

1285
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,480
tell me what the OTQ is and you 
start to dream like that does 

1286
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:35,040
wonder because you could just 
continue to hit these big goals 

1287
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:40,160
and so you got more reason to be
jealous of us here Preet. 

1288
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,560
Well, yeah, I mean, what I was 
going to say about this was that

1289
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,200
obviously the other clever thing
that USATF have done have 

1290
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,560
introduced that A standard and 
that B standard, which allows 

1291
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,520
them to then not have to worry 
too much about, oh, we're going 

1292
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,040
to have too many people in this 
race. 

1293
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,400
It doesn't really matter if 500 
people get the standard, like 

1294
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:02,360
we've got 50 people on each side
and 50 in just one race and 

1295
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:04,800
we've got another two years of 
the window to go. 

1296
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:09,040
We could end up with three, 400 
people, 3-4 hundred men, 3400 

1297
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:13,280
women who have this standard. 
And, and that's obviously was an

1298
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,640
issue when they were trying to 
pay for everyone's accommodation

1299
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,120
and, and, and all of that in was
it Atlanta that they had the 

1300
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,600
problem. 
So I think this allows them to 

1301
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,640
then set that a standard for 
those people who are going to be

1302
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,360
going for the team, but still 
give the opportunity to so many 

1303
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,600
people to, to, to, to run in the
Olympic trials, which is just 

1304
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,480
such a special experience. 
And, and I think that, you know,

1305
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:37,520
I think I think they've done it 
in a sensible way. 

1306
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,440
I mean, obviously there'll 
probably be some controversy 

1307
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:42,680
about when that standard is set,
but, but I think for now, it 

1308
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,800
looks like it was a good plan 
because you obviously don't know

1309
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,040
with super shoes and everything 
as well over the next couple of 

1310
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,240
years, how much further 
technology advances and, and how

1311
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,240
many more people will get it. 
And that's the other problem 

1312
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,240
with setting these standards. 
And that's where World Athletics

1313
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,120
have had problems and, and all 
sorts. 

1314
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,120
So. 
Yeah. 

1315
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,720
But yeah, so it's so it's always
good to see. 

1316
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All right, let's go over to BU 
men like this weekend would 

1347
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:12,920
again to the I've been following
along very closely on the Warner

1348
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:18,720
Brothers discovery and the 
Netflix like overhaul and the 

1349
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,520
hostile takeover by the 
Ellison's and all that stuff. 

1350
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,840
And I always just wondered, 
like, who's who should just take

1351
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,720
over all of the rights to? 
You know, track and cross 

1352
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,600
country, if we had one network 
it Saturday would have been just

1353
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,720
so much fun to be able to be 
like, all right, we are now 

1354
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:40,280
cutting away from CIM and US 
cross country to take you over 

1355
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:44,840
to the Boston University Track 
and Tennis Center where Josh 

1356
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:50,440
Hoey is about to run the 600 and
he breaks the world record and 

1357
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:55,080
Jane Hennigan ends up running 
the 14444 for your second 

1358
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,520
fastest US indoor time, 11 
fastest average. 

1359
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,440
She's like there's so much 
quality racing. 

1360
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,480
The two big ones to chat about 
at BU, obviously Josh Hoey and 

1361
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,200
Jane Hennigan. 
So let's start with Hoey. 

1362
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:13,480
First race since parting ways 
with coach Justin Rinaldi. 

1363
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:22,080
My belief is that he's self 
coached now and he he's still 

1364
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:30,400
pedal to the metal and all gas, 
no brakes gets the the indoor 

1365
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,720
600 world record, which is 
previously held by Donovan 

1366
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,120
Brazier. 
Both those guys racing this 

1367
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:42,280
weekend at the merry mile. 
But does this, I guess what does

1368
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:43,920
a 600 mean? 
Right? 

1369
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,560
Like does this. 
That's that's what. 

1370
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,320
I always hate, that's what I 
always hate about 600 and a 500 

1371
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:54,000
and like a, you know, a 250 or 
whatever other silly distances 

1372
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,200
that people choose to race at 
this time of year and early 

1373
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,960
indoors. 
And I just, yeah, I sometimes 

1374
01:21:59,960 --> 01:22:02,480
get a little bit frustrated with
like, why not go for something 

1375
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:07,640
like real but but obviously, you
know, 600 meter world record. 

1376
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,160
If you're going to do it, this 
is the time of year and he he 

1377
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:15,360
went out 47 seconds and kept 
going, which is props to him. 

1378
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,160
That's pretty good. 
Just. 

1379
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,360
Really quick, I guess like can 
you look up who are the guys 

1380
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:24,000
ahead of him on the 2025800 
outdoor list? 

1381
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,960
Because you know, when Yoni 
doesn't run indoors, Marco Rope 

1382
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:29,640
does. 
But it's usually something like 

1383
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,800
a 1K or something like that at 
the meet that his agent puts on.

1384
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:39,440
But like the guys ahead of him 
this year like 2 all I don't 

1385
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:43,080
when your new Sajati. 
Sajati and Arup are the only 

1386
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,840
three who ran faster than Hoey. 
Yeah, and and. 

1387
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,520
Marco doesn't really run. 
They're the. 

1388
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,160
They're the. 3 medalists. 
Yeah. 

1389
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,240
It's they're the. 
Three world. 

1390
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,280
Medalists, so it kind. 
Of makes sense. 

1391
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:58,880
It's sort of like all right, 
like who's got the indoor 600 

1392
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,560
world record? 
It's, you know, the fastest 800 

1393
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,600
guy of the year who's running 
indoors. 

1394
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,320
That makes sense. 
So like. 

1395
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:10,920
If when yoni. 
Chose to run indoors. 

1396
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,280
I would think that he would have
a really strong chance of of 

1397
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,200
getting it now. 
I think the one thing that 

1398
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,920
hasn't been talked about enough 
in this race and catching the 

1399
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:23,800
replay is that it I get how feel
good it was to maybe have like 

1400
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:29,840
his brother as the pacer but man
dude almost ruined it for for 

1401
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,320
him. 
Like a. 

1402
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,600
That was a mess. 
Like he, we made it 30 seconds 

1403
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,400
into the race, right? 
Like a lap and a half, 

1404
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,000
basically. 
But. 

1405
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:47,400
Nearly tripped up Josh and 
forced him to run out into lane 

1406
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,240
three. 
Like when we're talking about 

1407
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,560
little tiny margins, yes, it's 
he got the world record. 

1408
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,480
He almost couldn't. 
He almost didn't. 

1409
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:58,480
If if you know, disaster would 
have struck there, but now you 

1410
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:00,840
even start to think it's like, 
oh, what if if you would have 

1411
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,000
had a more competent pacer, like
could it have been a little bit 

1412
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,440
faster too? 
But again, it's a stupid 

1413
01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:12,920
distance to 600. 
We went world record. 

1414
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,160
We are world record people. 
I guess, like it's technically 

1415
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,360
not right. 
It's a does world. 

1416
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:20,840
Oh. 
God. 

1417
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,640
Yeah, we're world record folks. 
Again, reminder to people if 

1418
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,320
it's the fastest it's ever been 
run, that's a record. 

1419
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,040
We don't do best. 
We use season's best and 

1420
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,000
personal best. 
We don't do world best. 

1421
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:40,200
All right, so he's fit. 
Maybe he wins the mile here this

1422
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:45,000
weekend, but we shall see. 
All right, then we go to Jane 

1423
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:50,520
Hennigan now. 
Every single time that she's 

1424
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:57,280
gone out and raced, she just 
continues to defy like what I 

1425
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,320
maybe would have expected or 
thought would be good for her, 

1426
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,840
right? 
Like in my head I was like, oh, 

1427
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,840
all right, like Jane's going to 
go out and run this race. 

1428
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:13,600
Like it'll be cool to see her 
run, you know, 14521455, 

1429
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,400
whatever it might be. 
Like that'd be a good showing. 

1430
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,160
Then she goes out and blasts of 
1444. 

1431
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:23,320
Very, very impressive. 
And. 

1432
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:26,840
Clearly, you know, carried over 
with cross country fitness 

1433
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,920
checks. 
The box will go to, you know, 

1434
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,200
the NCA championships. 
And. 

1435
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:38,320
I would presume she might try 
and pull off the double, the 

1436
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:44,520
three K 5K double that Parker 
pulled off 2 years ago. 

1437
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,640
Yeah, I guess like. 
It's she beat Pamela Cosguy, 

1438
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:57,080
right. 
So I am Yeah, I just admitted a 

1439
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:01,920
loss for words for just like how
she continues to defy whatever 

1440
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,600
we would have considered would 
be good for her. 

1441
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,120
Right. 
Like did you did? 

1442
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,360
Is this faster than you thought 
she would? 

1443
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,880
She would go. 
The funny thing? 

1444
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,720
Was I saw 1444 and would you 
believe I was expecting faster, 

1445
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,120
but then I looked at the all 
time indoor list and I think 

1446
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,160
maybe I was comparing a little 
bit to outdoor times because I 

1447
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,400
saw 1444. 
I was like, yeah, that's, that's

1448
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,000
kind of what I expected her to 
do given how she's been running.

1449
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,160
And I was, I was like hoping to 
see something in the 1430s 

1450
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:31,480
because she's just been so good 
that I was almost, my 

1451
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:33,560
expectations were set insanely 
high. 

1452
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,480
And maybe, you know, and I was 
wrong because having looked at 

1453
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:38,920
the indoor list, you're like, 
she's still the second fastest 

1454
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:46,200
US runner ever indoors over 5K. 
And every top US runner has run 

1455
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:50,320
a 5K at BU, right? 
So you know, she's, she's, she's

1456
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,320
only behind Elise Cranny on that
list. 

1457
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:57,480
And she's 11th all time indoors,
which is which is insane. 

1458
01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:03,680
Like she's still only 19 years 
old and 4044 indoors is, is 

1459
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,320
absolutely incredible. 
So I think you know in 

1460
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,040
hindsight. 
Kind of looking. 

1461
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,320
At the numbers, you kind of go, 
yeah, that was. 

1462
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,960
That was actually really, 
really, really incredible. 

1463
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,280
I'm smashing the collegiate 
record by 8 seconds. 

1464
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,440
Yeah, it's an. 
Indoor and outdoor record. 

1465
01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:23,040
It's it's, it's very, very, 
yeah. 

1466
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,800
Absolutely. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1467
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,120
Well, they don't run the. 
Outdoor fast 5 KS in the NCAA do

1468
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:29,800
they unfortunately. 
So it's kind of one of those 

1469
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,160
weird kind of things that it's 
everyone goes to BU to run a 

1470
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,360
fast time, but no one really 
does the outdoors. 

1471
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:38,000
There's no equivalent. 
I guess maybe she. 

1472
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:44,240
Will come this outdoor season. 
He's like, what's the point of I

1473
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:49,360
mean, she she can probably hit a
qualifying mark and and then go 

1474
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,960
off and win the 10K at the 
outdoor championships, right? 

1475
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,000
But there's no point in. 
Going for an. 

1476
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:03,880
All out 10K unless you just want
the NCAA record this outdoor 

1477
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,720
season when there is no greater 
I guess championship to strive 

1478
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:12,840
for beyond the NCAA is like with
the 10K so and but at the same 

1479
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:17,520
time thinking about how good 
Gene was in the mile last year 

1480
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,000
or earlier this year really not 
last year earlier this year as a

1481
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,320
high schooler. 
That. 

1482
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:29,880
Do you you wonder if she tries 
to go 155K come outdoor season? 

1483
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,240
Yeah. 
And I would kind of quite like 

1484
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,160
to see that. 
And, and I think the reason I 

1485
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,360
think we we, I think I think the
main reason for that is we know 

1486
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,600
that to what if you want to 
progress to be competitive on 

1487
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,200
the world stage, you've got to 
have that speed at the end of a 

1488
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,440
race, right? 
And I think the more you can 

1489
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:54,560
train that, the better, right? 
You know, like it, you know, 

1490
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,400
it's still challenging because 
it's just different levels, but 

1491
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,880
you know, at least doing that on
the NCAA stage and like trying 

1492
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:06,080
to to make sure you have that 
kick is is what you need to do. 

1493
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,280
And given she's outclassing 
pretty much everyone else in the

1494
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,440
NCAA at. 5. 
K she's OK. 

1495
01:29:12,440 --> 01:29:15,280
Yes, she might have Doris 
Lemonglay for, for company 

1496
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,800
depending on how the schedule 
shakes out in the summer. 

1497
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,720
But otherwise she's going to win
NCAA's in the 5K. 

1498
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:27,440
And I think the 1500 might be 
more of a challenge and it will 

1499
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:30,600
be interesting, you know, and 
and it and it will help with 

1500
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,160
that speed development because I
think we had we saw the same 

1501
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,960
with Parker Valby, right, that 
she wasn't challenged when she 

1502
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,440
was so dominant in the NCAA. 
And I think, you know, she's got

1503
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:42,160
a professional level and she she
is one of the strongest out 

1504
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:43,640
there. 
She proved that Olympic trials. 

1505
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:47,240
But in terms of having the kick 
in the last, you know, the last 

1506
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:50,480
lap, that was not her strength. 
And and that's something that 

1507
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:51,560
hopefully she'll develop as 
well. 

1508
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,040
But I think. 
Now we kind of. 

1509
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,760
Know that that's kind of the the
biggest thing that you really 

1510
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,600
have to do. 
Why not try and develop that as 

1511
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,280
early as you can? 
And yeah, and and work on it. 

1512
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,880
So. 
Yeah, I guess I'll say it on 

1513
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,520
here. 
We're slated to have Jane 

1514
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:13,840
Hedergren on the podcast soon, 
so if you have any questions for

1515
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:18,000
her, shoot em, shoot em our way 
via Instagram DM. 

1516
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,320
You could even drop it in the 
comments section on this 

1517
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,560
episode. 
And hey, quick shout out to to 

1518
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:30,320
the listeners. 
I, I, you know, I, I, I in the 

1519
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:34,360
guest, the intro that it rolls 
before some of our interviews. 

1520
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,880
I spoke on behalf of me and 
Jasmine Fair, who, you know, 

1521
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:44,240
work on all of these episodes. 
But big ups to you as well for, 

1522
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,480
I guess, being a part of so many
people's Spotify rapped. 

1523
01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:51,720
Like we, we ended up on, I think
it was what, 13 K people's 

1524
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,040
number one show of the of the 
year. 

1525
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,160
That's all awesome. 
It's a lot of people that, that 

1526
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:03,720
we reach every single week. 
And there's a, there's a preet 

1527
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,480
hive out there. 
I feel like we get comments 

1528
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:11,400
every now and then and it's like
more preet or I really love 

1529
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,880
preet. 
So I just, I guess, do you have 

1530
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,440
anything you want to say to the 
the listeners who, you know, 

1531
01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:21,440
were posting us on Spotify 
rapped And like, there's a lot 

1532
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:25,320
of them out there. 
I mean, it's been a journey. 

1533
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:29,400
It's, it's, it's been really fun
over the last year or so being, 

1534
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,480
being a part of this and, you 
know, the opportunities I've 

1535
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:35,320
had. 
So, you know, I, I, you know, 

1536
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,800
I'm grateful that that people 
like what we're saying, what 

1537
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,840
we're doing. 
And, and hopefully, you know, 

1538
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,760
I'm bringing maybe a little bit 
of a different perspective. 

1539
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:47,040
I'm not a runner. 
I'm, you know, I'm, I'm kind of 

1540
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:49,400
a, a super fan more than a 
runner. 

1541
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,360
And, and it really is is fun and
exciting to be able to, to share

1542
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,240
my thoughts on, on the sport 
with everybody. 

1543
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,000
And hopefully people find them 
interesting. 

1544
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,760
And it looks like people aren't 
turning us off. 

1545
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,520
So that's good to hear. 
We have to. 

1546
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:06,400
Look and see when was your first
episode of This Week in Dragon 

1547
01:32:06,440 --> 01:32:08,720
Field? 
Well, my. 

1548
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:12,120
First ever episode was actually 
wasn't that with Anderson. 

1549
01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:16,920
It might have been with Anderson
and not with you because we did 

1550
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,560
the Brussels Diamond League and 
then you were away. 

1551
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:20,840
I think you were getting 
married. 

1552
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:27,240
So we ended up doing a, a, a 
podcast episode talking about 

1553
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,400
recapping Brussels and, and our 
experiences there. 

1554
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,760
So I think that might have been 
my first episode, but I'm not 

1555
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,000
sure. 
And then the first. 

1556
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,800
One with me probably was soon 
after that. 

1557
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:38,400
So you've come up on one year? 
Yeah, I think so. 

1558
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:41,600
Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, congratulations. 

1559
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:45,000
One year at CS. 
There we go, many. 

1560
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:50,800
More to come All right, one more
all right we got two more topics

1561
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,160
World Athletics rule changes. 
You paid a little bit more 

1562
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:58,360
closer attention to this because
I just kind of scrolled scrolled

1563
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:04,280
through the release Well, one 
one this wasn't included in the 

1564
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:06,160
release. 
This just came through a story I

1565
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:09,880
believe in the Guardian with 
Sean Engel that World Athletic 

1566
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,760
CEO John Ridge and said that the
long jump rule change, the one 

1567
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,200
where they were going to shift 
over to a take off soon, wasn't 

1568
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:21,400
going to happen anymore. 
He said that basically the 

1569
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,800
athletes don't like it and are 
pissed off and you don't want to

1570
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,120
piss off your the core of of 
your sport. 

1571
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:32,000
But he didn't necessarily say 
that it was a bad idea. 

1572
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:33,960
He was still like, but these are
the reasons why it would be 

1573
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,920
really good to implement, you 
know, less vowels moves a little

1574
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,200
bit quicker. 
It's more tight of an 

1575
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,240
entertainment product. 
So he didn't back down off of 

1576
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:46,320
like this is a good idea. 
It was just sort of like, it's a

1577
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,560
good idea, but we're not going 
to do it because we don't want 

1578
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,800
to upset the athletes. 
And I feel like that's where and

1579
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,880
the athletes and the I think the
public, especially in our 

1580
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,120
comments section were just sort 
of like, OK, yeah, like 

1581
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:58,760
comments. 
We we went with common sense 

1582
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,480
prevails on our Sidious Mag 
graphic. 

1583
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:05,760
And I think the comment section 
was in agreement. 

1584
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,000
And then the other two that 
World Athletics did officially 

1585
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:16,240
announce is that the relays at 
these global championships are 

1586
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:19,920
going to be listed to limited to
two substitutions. 

1587
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:23,840
And it basically is the Team USA
rule. 

1588
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:30,040
I feel like because of our depth
and we're able to swap out three

1589
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,680
athletes who are really good and
what the four by one is 

1590
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,680
typically I think when this 
happened. 

1591
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,720
So explain this rule change to 
the listeners pre. 

1592
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,680
So. 
Essentially what it is is in the

1593
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,920
last. 
So we're actually reverting to 

1594
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:51,320
the rule that was in place up 
until 2019, and it's only been 

1595
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:55,320
from 2019 to 2025 where the 
rules were changed so that 

1596
01:34:55,320 --> 01:35:00,560
between round the heats of the 
four by one or the four by four 

1597
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,880
and the final, you could swap 
out all four athletes if you 

1598
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,000
wanted. 
Previously you could only swap 

1599
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,680
out a maximum of two. 
And that is the rule that we are

1600
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:10,600
now going back to. 
So I think that's the first 

1601
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:14,960
thing that people people have 
kind of been, you know, upset 

1602
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:16,800
about the fact that this rule 
might be targeted. 

1603
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:20,160
To me, I say this was always the
rule up until 2019. 

1604
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:25,080
And I think because of some of 
the scheduling in terms of when 

1605
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:30,160
the final like 400 finals, the 
things were relative to the 

1606
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,280
relative to to when the heats of
the four by four and four by 

1607
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:40,840
one. 
Were they then introduced this 

1608
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,520
rule to allow teams to kind of 
swap out more people if they 

1609
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,600
needed to if they had people in 
those finals? 

1610
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,320
And that that was the reason for
it. 

1611
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:54,800
But I think I think there's 
there's two things there. 

1612
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,720
One, yes, OK, you can say well, 
Team USA is probably the only 

1613
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:59,400
team that could swap out 
everybody. 

1614
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:02,880
GB did it at the Olympics in the
women's 4 by 4. 

1615
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,680
And you know, there's probably a
couple of teams that could do it

1616
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:07,960
in the four by one or something 
like that. 

1617
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:13,640
But, but ultimately, I, my, my 
personal view is that the thing 

1618
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,520
that you lose is it's no longer 
A-Team. 

1619
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:20,360
It's just four people and then 
another four people. 

1620
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,800
And it's not, it's not a team 
that has done both rounds and 

1621
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,560
has kind of earned the medal to 
get like I I. 

1622
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:30,000
So I do think it's kind of, but 
we are. 

1623
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,400
A Team USA it's it's about the 
country, not necessarily the 

1624
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:39,200
people on the on the relay spot.
Yeah, but. 

1625
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:44,280
But but I think again, like it's
why, you know why? 

1626
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:46,440
Why not make it more interesting
as well, right? 

1627
01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:48,800
I think if you could only change
two people, that does. 

1628
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,680
Oh, just make it more. 
Fair for people who like well, 

1629
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:56,000
no, you have but. 
But you have like the likes of 

1630
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,760
Efemka Ball and Alika Klava, who
because they didn't have any 

1631
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,720
other choice, because they 
didn't have any other runners, 

1632
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,320
they've been running the heats. 
They're, they're top runners are

1633
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:08,600
running the heats and the final,
you know, and I think that's 

1634
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:09,680
your. 
Country's problem. 

1635
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,080
It's it's not. 
Don't, I don't, I don't think 

1636
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,960
it's the problem of the athlete.
Well, it's the athletes not 

1637
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:18,880
being good enough. 
But like I yeah. 

1638
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,880
So I was reading Vernon 
Norwood's tweet. 

1639
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:25,360
Did you see this one? 
He tweeted about this. 

1640
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,000
He said punishing a country 
because of talent and depth, but

1641
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,240
disguising, saying, making an 
even playing field And then 

1642
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:37,800
like, but I don't think it's. 
About level playing field, I 

1643
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,520
think, I think it is just 
they're reverting to the rule 

1644
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:41,680
because they don't need it 
right. 

1645
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,800
It's like if you get the 
schedule right then you don't 

1646
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,640
need that. 
You know the rule. 

1647
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:50,800
The rule was always 2 swaps. 
The only reason they had four 

1648
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:56,240
swaps was because effectively 
they they hadn't quite got the 

1649
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:59,400
schedule right for I think it 
was the Tokyo Olympics or 

1650
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,880
something. 
And so it was a bit trickier to 

1651
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:07,320
to have, you know, to have some 
of the athletes in in some of 

1652
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:11,360
the rounds of the relays. 
And that's why they did it the 

1653
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:15,880
way they did it. 
But yeah, I honestly don't think

1654
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:19,760
that what I don't think there's 
any problem with reverting the 

1655
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:24,680
rule that's always been there. 
And I do think that it does, it 

1656
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:28,640
does like take away from the 
fact that it's a team that has 

1657
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:31,800
done it together, that has won 
that medal. 

1658
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:34,440
It does take away a little bit 
from that if you just swap out 

1659
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:37,520
all four athletes. 
And yeah, I think why not make 

1660
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,000
it more competitive? 
Why not make it more 

1661
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:40,600
interesting? 
Yes, okay. 

1662
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:45,400
You know, if Team USA win all, 
all the medals, like that's 

1663
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,760
great for Team USA, but it's 
great. 

1664
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:53,320
We say we creative well here GB 
have a chance. 

1665
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:56,280
So I'm not going to I'm not 
going to not going to be on the 

1666
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:57,760
G on the on the USA side on 
this. 

1667
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,040
But GB are the only other team 
that probably can do it in some 

1668
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,800
of the relays. 
And I think even even for GB, 

1669
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:05,560
like I don't think it's right 
that you swap out everybody. 

1670
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,120
And like the only time you 
should have an issue with it is 

1671
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:12,760
if you happen to get three 
people in the 400 final, right. 

1672
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:14,280
And there's a chance that 
happens. 

1673
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,560
But and Botswana had three 
people in the 400 final, but 

1674
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:22,320
then still like one or two of 
those guys ran both rounds of 

1675
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,400
the four by 4:00. 
So I think it was only cabinet 

1676
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:28,640
shippy that the champion who, 
who who swapped in for the for 

1677
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,920
the, for the, for the final, 
right? 

1678
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,280
And and Tobogo ran both rounds 
of the four by four. 

1679
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:36,960
And I think it's great to have 
why not have the top stars 

1680
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:41,760
running both rounds? 
I, I, I don't, I, I think it's 

1681
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,080
good. 
It's also good for the sport 

1682
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,400
that it then forces teams to put
their top stars in, right. 

1683
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:50,800
So if your objective is to get 
more eyes on stuff like having a

1684
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:54,760
having a load of nobodies 
running the first round is, you 

1685
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:59,000
know, not as, not as, you know, 
not as not as exciting. 

1686
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,280
But if you can get some of the 
top stars to run because they 

1687
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,640
have to, then then that's good 
as well, I think. 

1688
01:40:04,440 --> 01:40:06,680
Yeah. 
The replies to this are pretty 

1689
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:11,120
interesting because people are 
also saying like this was the 

1690
01:40:11,480 --> 01:40:15,040
old rules and like you know it 
because Vernon Vernon's been in 

1691
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:19,320
the game for a bit. 
And who were they punishing back

1692
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,040
then? 
Someone else said you can't have

1693
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:24,720
25 Subs in soccer just because 
you have a bigger squad. 

1694
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,960
Another person, it's two people,
started fighting one. 

1695
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:31,240
One person said, well this rule 
change is fair. 

1696
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:33,560
You guys sending out a whole new
team for the finals with fresh 

1697
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:37,200
legs and all is what's unfair. 
Arguably they're not fresh. 

1698
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,240
They've just, you know, someone 
like Sydney just ran the hardest

1699
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:45,120
400 in American history. 
But then someone's like other 

1700
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:47,360
teams literally could do the 
same thing if they wanted. 

1701
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:51,480
It's not like each country only 
has four 400m or 100m runners in

1702
01:40:51,480 --> 01:40:54,760
their own population. 
So I didn't, I didn't realize, I

1703
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,200
guess at the time just how 
divisive this thing is. 

1704
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,160
Well, the the irony. 
Is it? 

1705
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,160
I think GB may have tried to do 
something similar this time in 

1706
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:06,200
the women's 4x4 as they did at 
the Olympics where and it went 

1707
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:08,240
hardly wrong because they didn't
make the final. 

1708
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:14,360
So, you know, I I think that. 
I think it. 

1709
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:18,520
Is good that it forces you to to
think tactically about who you 

1710
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:23,320
put in your team and who runs 
what what legs and, and when I 

1711
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:28,720
think it just adds to it and 
adds to the intrigue and yeah I,

1712
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:33,160
I, I honestly have no problem 
with it and I, I, I do think 

1713
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:36,920
that it it does you know, I, I 
think it was great you know, I 

1714
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:39,440
think everyone really enjoyed 
the fact that it was competitive

1715
01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:43,640
between the US and Botswana and 
I think if that helps make it 

1716
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:47,400
more consistently competitive in
the other relays, Team USA will 

1717
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:51,720
probably still win a lot of them
right but if there's you know, 

1718
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:54,560
this is the thing what why are 
you complaining you're still 

1719
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:57,120
going to win most. 
Of these relays. 

1720
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:59,160
Right. 
Like why are you complaining? 

1721
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:00,520
Right? 
This is this is around. 

1722
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:02,960
Like, if you've got the best 
athletes, you will win. 

1723
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:07,760
Your best athletes might have to
work a little bit harder, poor 

1724
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:11,160
athletes, but you know, you're 
still going to win. 

1725
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,400
They're still going to come away
with more gold medals. 

1726
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,320
All right, You made me. 
Feel better. 

1727
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:18,080
You made me feel better about 
this. 

1728
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:24,120
All right, the other rule change
is that world indoors, the 400's

1729
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:25,640
going to be run in the NCAA 
format. 

1730
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,560
We're going to have an A and AB 
final, and then they'll just 

1731
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:32,480
award the medals based off of 
the finishing time. 

1732
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:35,360
You like it? 
No hate it. 

1733
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:38,600
Absolutely hate it. 
Like it's not a race anymore. 

1734
01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:43,080
OK, look, I get the point of oh,
it's such a disadvantage to run 

1735
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:47,160
in lanes one and two whatever, 
and therefore like it's only a 

1736
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:49,920
race between the people in the 
outside 3 or 4 lanes. 

1737
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:54,080
And, you know, that kind of 
limits things a bit, but to be 

1738
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:56,680
honest, like it's no longer a 
race. 

1739
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:58,400
If it's a time trial, it's no 
longer a race. 

1740
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,560
And if you get to the world 
indoors and then you have the 

1741
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:05,600
two best athletes in different 
races, that's just no fun. 

1742
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:09,400
Like what, what is that like? 
Like, you know, I don't know 

1743
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:10,720
who's going to race while 
indoors. 

1744
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:13,280
And maybe, you know, last year, 
obviously not really any of the 

1745
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:18,080
top, you know, top 4 odd 400 
meter athletes, four or five 

1746
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,880
didn't really race. 
I'm running one. 

1747
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:21,760
She was the kind of highest 
place at the Olympics who 

1748
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:23,840
competed there and and she won 
it. 

1749
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:32,200
But you know the but yeah, I I 
don't know that if you you know 

1750
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:35,880
say Sydney turned up and Mary 
Lady Paolino turned up to wild 

1751
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:36,920
indoors. 
Oh yeah. 

1752
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:38,280
They're and separate different 
races. 

1753
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:40,600
How, how, how, how would we feel
about that? 

1754
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,920
Like that, that well, NCAA just.
Had this whole thing and when 

1755
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:48,360
Isabel Whitaker ran like the 
fast time, I forget who was in 

1756
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:51,400
the second one, but it was like 
the number two person, it was 

1757
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:54,480
just kind of like, all right, 
Isabella Whitaker just smashed 

1758
01:43:54,640 --> 01:44:00,960
the indoor 400 meter NCAA record
like that was it like there's if

1759
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:05,960
unless something big happens in 
the second race, then all it 

1760
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,480
could be is a let down. 
And that's what it was. 

1761
01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:10,720
And it was just kind of very 
underwhelming to have two 

1762
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:14,600
different races. 
So we've experienced it before 

1763
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:18,400
and I'm not yeah, I don't 
necessarily think I'm as I'm not

1764
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,240
as incensed by it, but I see 
your point. 

1765
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:23,880
And if we ran into that scenario
where it's like, Oh yeah, you 

1766
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:27,120
have two top stars and they're 
not going to go head to head, 

1767
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:31,160
then that does suck. 
So but yeah. 

1768
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:33,760
All right, final topic really 
quick. 

1769
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:36,480
We got Eurocross taking place 
this weekend. 

1770
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:40,440
Yes, correct. 
December 14th. 

1771
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:42,880
All right. 
No, Jacob. 

1772
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:48,280
So after deciding to, it was 
reported that he was going to 

1773
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:50,480
participate. 
A couple days later he 

1774
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:52,280
scratches. 
Has it? 

1775
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:54,520
Has a reason come out as to why 
he's scratched? 

1776
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:58,800
It they. 
They said he's just focusing on 

1777
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,400
his 2026 season and you can kind
of understand that. 

1778
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,080
You know, he obviously did the 
same last year. 

1779
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,920
He ran and one Euro cross. 
He then had an amazing indoor 

1780
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:12,080
season and then he got injured. 
So maybe given the comeback from

1781
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:13,800
injury, he's taking a bit more 
cautiously. 

1782
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,160
Who knows, maybe he's had 
another set back. 

1783
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:20,400
We don't really know. 
But, but the the official line 

1784
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:27,720
is that he's decided to focus on
the 2026 season, but instead 

1785
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:31,320
he's given us a video showing us
his entire Pokémon collection 

1786
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:33,760
that he's acquired over the 
Pokémon card collection that 

1787
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:35,080
he's acquired over the last 
couple of months. 

1788
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:36,960
So he was very excited about 
that. 

1789
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,320
Yeah, he. 
Did he? 

1790
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:41,640
Does he say how much he spends 
on each one of them? 

1791
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,400
He has not. 
He has not talked monetary 

1792
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:48,040
figures, but apparently he's 
going to do giveaways. 

1793
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:51,680
He's going to do some live pack 
openings and all sorts. 

1794
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:55,080
Maybe you should team up with 
with Clayton Murphy, who's hell 

1795
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,800
yeah. 
Are are you a Pokémon guy? 

1796
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:02,920
No. 
But I feel like I should learn 

1797
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:06,360
stuff about yeah, I feel like I 
should learn stuff about anime 

1798
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,120
because it would, it would make 
for good interview questions 

1799
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:13,560
because half the athletes out 
there are a big, big anime 

1800
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:15,760
people or Pokémon people or 
whatever. 

1801
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,800
So yeah, I, I feel like I 
should, I should get into it, 

1802
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:22,680
yeah. 
I don't have time for for any 

1803
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:23,560
any more of that. 
All right. 

1804
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:27,920
But then who is racing at US 
cross, at Euro Cross that is 

1805
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:31,680
exciting for you? 
So, well, we've got on the men's

1806
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,880
side we've got Jimmy Gressier 
who is obviously our world 

1807
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:39,120
10,000 meter champion and on the
women's side we've got Nadia 

1808
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:42,600
Battiletti who's who's really 
expected to to win the women's 

1809
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,520
race. 
You know, she's up against the 

1810
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:50,280
likes of Megan Keith of GB, who 
was kind of her age group 

1811
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:57,040
nemesis, and then Yasmin Chan of
Turkey who who won it for 

1812
01:46:57,040 --> 01:46:59,560
several years, you know, going 
back a few years, but but it 

1813
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:01,480
hasn't been quite as consistent 
in the last couple of years. 

1814
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:06,080
And then we've got Isaac Nader, 
1500 meter champion running in 

1815
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:07,880
the relay. 
Did you see the news? 

1816
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:11,760
About him that he He's no longer
coach. 

1817
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:15,280
He's left his training group. 
Yeah, wild move. 

1818
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:20,080
You just won the 1500 meter gold
medal at the World Championships

1819
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,200
and you part. 
Ways. 

1820
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:27,000
With your coach, that's wild. 
And then it seems like he was 

1821
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:31,240
spending time with Marcin 
Lewandowski's group, right? 

1822
01:47:32,440 --> 01:47:35,160
Is that was that what was being 
reported that So that's Niels 

1823
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:38,080
Laros and Timothy Cheriot, I 
don't think. 

1824
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,320
Cheriot is. 
There right now, it feels like 

1825
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,840
Cheriot was doing kind of blocks
with the group. 

1826
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:49,440
But obviously Laros and Stefan 
Nielsen, they're like the core 

1827
01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:54,040
of the whole thing. 
But I, you know, if you're Niels

1828
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:57,560
Laros, do you like that? 
Like you? 

1829
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:01,920
It was one thing to bring in 
Timothy Cheriot, but now you're 

1830
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:06,720
bringing in the guy who beat you
at the World Championships. 

1831
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:10,080
Like. 
It just sort of like it's 

1832
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:11,440
starting to get a little 
crowded. 

1833
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,000
Yeah, I don't. 
I mean, I don't know whether 

1834
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:19,080
whether that will work out. 
I mean, I think he, yeah, I, I, 

1835
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:22,240
I don't know. 
I met his coach was the one who 

1836
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,560
translated for us when we did, 
we did an interview with him. 

1837
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,120
He was his agent. 
I don't know whether he. 

1838
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,640
Was his agent, I think, I think 
it was his. 

1839
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,040
Yeah, I was agent. 
I couldn't remember because we 

1840
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:33,400
also had an interview with his 
coach. 

1841
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,880
Translating I think. 
That the when he when he came 

1842
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,000
through the mix zone. 
But yeah. 

1843
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:44,120
Does he? 
He ran indoors last year, right?

1844
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:47,960
You ran in Leben. 
Yeah, yeah, I. 

1845
01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:49,840
Yeah, I think I thought, I 
thought you were. 

1846
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:51,960
I think you ran at your indoors.
I thought you even got a medal. 

1847
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:55,160
But I'd like to see him at the. 
Wander meet, he ran. 

1848
01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:58,760
But he probably. 
Will just stay in Europe, right?

1849
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,080
You'd think so, I mean. 
Yeah, unless they offer him some

1850
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,840
money. 
But like, yeah, I don't know how

1851
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:10,080
how likely they are to do that. 
It is very US focused, isn't it?

1852
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,280
So. 
All right. 

1853
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:17,680
I think that does it almost two 
hours. 

1854
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:20,360
Preet. 
You took an hour and 40 minutes 

1855
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:26,600
of my pool time here in Hawaii. 
Sorry about that. 

1856
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:27,760
Well, I got to get back to work 
now. 

1857
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:32,640
Yeah, it's not. 
Even it's not even noon here in 

1858
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:34,640
Hawaii and it's feeling like I 
got it. 

1859
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:37,520
I just got an e-mail back from 
someone who said like, enjoy 

1860
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,400
your evening and I was like, 
it's not even afternoon here 

1861
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:44,080
yet. 
So there's podcast coming out a 

1862
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:46,920
little bit later, but if you 
listen this far, thanks for 

1863
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:49,360
sticking around. 
Once again. 

1864
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:54,240
We will have coverage of the 
Merry Mile here in Honolulu 

1865
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:58,120
Saturday live and for free on 
the CS Mac YouTube channel. 

1866
01:49:58,280 --> 01:50:02,160
We are also sharing the 
distribution and we're going to 

1867
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:04,640
have it also, I think streaming 
on Coffee Club's YouTube 

1868
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:07,360
channel. 
We might try and play around 

1869
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:10,360
with some other streaming 
options as well. 

1870
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:13,960
I think it'll be on our Twitter 
page, so you'll be able to get 

1871
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:17,640
it anywhere. 
And I'm excited, it's, it's, it 

1872
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:20,480
should be a good race and I've 
been looking forward to it for 

1873
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:23,640
quite a bit of time and we've 
been putting in a little bit of 

1874
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:26,240
work into the. 
Broadcast. 

1875
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:33,200
And so nice little Saturday 
matinee of of a one mile race 

1876
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:36,560
that'll hit your the YouTube 
channel. 

1877
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,520
So take a take a couple minutes 
on Saturday and and tune on in. 

1878
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:45,200
But I appreciate the Honolulu 
Marathon organizers for having 

1879
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:49,080
us out here. 
I might jump into a 10K on on 

1880
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,120
Sunday morning. 
It's at 5:00 AM. 

1881
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:55,200
That starts with the marathon. 
Callie Hogger Thackery Team GB 

1882
01:50:55,520 --> 01:51:00,120
is running this weekend, so 
she'll be I think she's like one

1883
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:01,920
of the best. 
Ask her about the. 10K marathon 

1884
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:04,400
double at La because she's one 
of those people that will 

1885
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:06,920
probably do it. 
Oh yeah, we could. 

1886
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:08,720
Yeah. 
So all. 

1887
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:11,920
Right, thanks again for doing 
this Preet and thanks to the 

1888
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:16,440
listeners for joining us and 
once again, if we were on your 

1889
01:51:16,440 --> 01:51:19,000
Spotify wrapped and you shared 
it on your Instagram story, we 

1890
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:23,360
we took notice of it and really 
appreciate everyone for their 

1891
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:25,600
kind words and support all 
throughout 2025. 

1892
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:30,400
But more interviews to come next
week and this week too, I guess 

1893
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:32,400
we'll drop some some special 
episodes. 

1894
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:35,000
So thanks for listening. 
We'll catch you guys next week. 

1895
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:38,480
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1896
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:40,360
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1897
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,200
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