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What's up everyone? 

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You are listening to the CDs Mag
podcast. 

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I'm your host Chris Chavez, and 
every week we go beyond the 

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results to bring you 
conversations with the biggest 

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names on the track, the roads, 
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From world class athletes and 
coaches to innovators shaping 

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the sport. 
If it's happening on the track, 

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we're covering it with real 
insights that sharpen minds, 

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deep dives into the moments that
define careers, and the kind of 

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access to the pros you won't get
anywhere. 

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Else. 
So let's get into it because we 

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love. 
Track and field. 

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My guest for today's episode is 
Amanda Vestry. 

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We just had the Brooks Pro 
Marathoner on a couple weeks ago

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and talked about how she is one 
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American marathoners in the 
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Now in just her second marathon,
she finished 15th overall at the

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2026 Boston Marathon in two 
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seconds. 
It was a. 

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PR by nearly a minute over her 
debut in New York last November.

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She's coached by David and Megan
Roche, and by her own admission,

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is only just getting started. 
In this conversation, Amanda's 

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refreshingly honest about a race
that was both a personal best 

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and a disappointment. 
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specific preparation was lacking
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plans to do differently in her 
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We talked about what it was like
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and Susanna Sullivan in the 
early miles, and the deeply 

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emotional moment of watching 
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mile 23 while Amanda herself was
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David Roche wrote after the race
that Amanda is made of different

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stuff and that when it happens, 
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think about running like her. 
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way toward explaining why he 
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Without further ado, here is 
Amanda Vestry. 

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All right, now, welcome back 
Amanda Vestry to the City of 

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SMAG podcast 'cause it feels 
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loop. 
We had you on before the Boston 

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Marathon in the weeks leading up
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just went down on Monday, 22449 
PB and it was a tough day out 

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It just seems like everyone's 
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barely walk. 
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Amanda? 
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video on Instagram. 
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see what I actually looked like 
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The legs feel like trash. 
Totally terrible. 

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I was, we were talking a little 
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Like I can't even sit down on a 
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myself with my arms a little 
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So it's safe to say it's 
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like demanding thing I've ever 
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I just think people talk about 
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actually race Boston, you don't 
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extent. 
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definitely am paying for it now.
So I'm just hoping they come 

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around in the next, you know, 3 
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So yeah. 
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when we put up our Instagram 
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line, the graphic, you jumped 
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almost immediately and you 
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painful death. 
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that actually felt like. 
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do these marathon recaps and 
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call him like a postmortem and 
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postmortem for for you in that 
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So where did the race start to 
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Yeah, I mean, if I look back at 
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clearly see where I started to 
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But I think it was really around
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I just like the legs are feeling
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I've aerobically I was feeling 
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My heart rate data was great. 
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downhills, it was like, oh, I 
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like every time my quad would 
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It was almost like sneezing up 
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that like sharp stabbing, not 
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no injury, but it's like you 
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my legs are rigging and there's 
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And so it was different from New
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was more of a limitation of 
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This was more like, oh, the 
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catch up to me. 
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super hot at the beginning with 
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was very respectable. 
We went through in like 71 for 

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the half or so. 
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higher but the race just started
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with like 8 miles to go like 7 
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thinking like man I hope I can 
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being like such a huge stress on
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couldn't. 
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glute and hamstring muscles, but
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So I was trying to switch up my 
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smaller steps and ultimately, 
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and it was fine. 
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because the last 10K of Boston 
can be so fast if you have your 

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legs with you still like as 
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Sharon, for example, running 
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K 10K. 
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with you, the the closing 10K 
downhill is just like a suffer 

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fest because you're like, Oh my 
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So that's kind of when things 
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But up until that point, like, I
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It was, it was fun to be up 
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And, you know, the Americans 
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And so that was cool to see. 
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feelings, mixed feelings about 
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And it's kind of nice to be able
to talk about it a little bit 

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because otherwise I just Stew on
it and I I run it back in my 

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head and I'm like, you know, 
this negative spiral loop. 

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So yeah. 
Yeah, the City of Smack podcast 

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So All right, so you're in 224 
nearly, I guess like a whole 

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minute PR second marathon. 
Most people would kind of lead 

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with that. 
And you, I guess in the 

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Instagram post that you put up 
kind of led with the the mixed 

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emotions, like why? 
It's hard to not play like the 

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comparison game a little bit out
there and you know, all the 

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women who, who beat me like I, 
I, I mean, I don't know if the 

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statistics on it, but you know, 
I'm sure they've run more 

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marathons than I have, But it's 
hard to have expectations of 

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myself that are like my, my 
priorities always like never 

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been about time. 
It's always been about like 

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being able to compete with the 
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And I just frustrating because I
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already and I'm not clearly like
at from this race or at least 

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like on a Boston type course 
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So I don't know. 
I like yes, like you can never 

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be mad about Apri guess, but 
it's just pretty far off of 

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where we thought I was. 
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Instagram post was just like, I 
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part, but I mean, I was just 
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crossing the finish line as 
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that out there. 
It was like I felt that like in 

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my soul, like that was a deep 
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And that was one of the coolest 
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Watching her do that and just 
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That was that was so special. 
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like, Dang, I wanted to be maybe
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she had a banger of a day, but 
like, I just wanted to hold my 

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weight in that race for for 
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And I feel like I let them down 
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And, you know, I know they would
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feel. 
And just like, you know, David 

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being such a good coach and 
stuff, I just wanted to like be 

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I just wanted to do better for 
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And like, I know like people are
going to be like, oh, it's, you 

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know, like everyone supports 
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Everyone thinks you're great or 
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that's just how I feel. 
And so, yeah, it was hard to 

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like conceptualize that all into
an Instagram post. 

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But I mean, it's, you know, it's
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So I just feel like it takes a 
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So that's why I let off with 
that. 

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And then of course, like, yeah, 
great, I got a PR, so we're 

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trending upward. 
But you just want you want 

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everything all at once. 
I feel like. 

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And I'm still so young so I just
need to learn some patience I 

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guess. 
But. 

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I can already kind of like 
Telegraph, like some of the 

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comments or responses to this 
podcast will just sort of be 

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like, no, I mean, like you got 
to celebrate like the, you know,

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all these different steps along 
the way. 

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But even just sort of hearing 
how you talk about this 

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performance, it just kind of 
brings me back to, I don't think

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there's been a single, maybe 
there's been one post marathon 

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recap episode I've done with 
Clayton or Connor where they've 

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been fully satisfied with how 
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And they'll always just sort of 
find, oh, I wish I would have 

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done this better. 
Or actually, you know, yes, this

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was the result, but I had this 
stretch goal and this is where I

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fell short of that. 
And that's just, I think, like 

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in our nature as marathoners and
at the same time, what has kind 

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of pushed those guys to level up
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Right. 
I I agree. 

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because specifically for Boston,
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preparation of the downhills and
I just should have known. 

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I should have known better. 
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it's hitting me hard because I 
feel like I did so many things 

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right in this build. 
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that I did wrong was I didn't go
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you know, because they're, I, I,
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weren't like Boston downhills, 
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different and I think they 
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a controllable that I didn't 

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control. 
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if something happened in the 
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good or I had a stomach issue or
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different because control you 
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disappointed in myself because I
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measure I could have to succeed 
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this, but I didn't do the one 
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done for Boston. 
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And it's like lesson learned, 
like that will never happen 

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again. 
One thing about me is like, I 

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don't make the same mistake 
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again. 
But it's just frustrating 

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because I wanted to like, really
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But yeah, it's, it's fine. 
It's just that's just my nature 

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to be like part of myself so. 
The comparison game that you 

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mentioned, like I guess who are 
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how do you work on trying to 
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in real time, like as the race 
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That's a huge part of it. 
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back in the race a little as 
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like the Americans, of course, 
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the top Americans in the field. 
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like I started really getting in
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Americans that were around me or
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seeming like they were having 
great days and like they were it

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was easy for them. 
It like it just felt like there 

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were a lot of Americans up there
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flowing pretty smoothly. 
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them, obviously. 
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starting to get to that point 
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this is hurting pretty badly. 
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because they're having, you 
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because it can actually, I feel 
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than it then it would have been 
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moment, but it was hard not 
seeing how many Americans were 

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up there. 
And like, losing that top three 

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American goal, like right in 
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I mean, it was very apparent 
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reach after, you know, 17 or 18 
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running scene even before the 
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I think and especially like in 
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of success early on, just not 
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for this race was a little 
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the front for a lot of these 
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Boston, things are unpredictable

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and different people can have 
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have my moment eventually. 
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comparison game. 
It's just like, oh man, this is 

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a weird time in women's American
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everyone's running so, so well. 
And it's hard to see your own 

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success When when you just feel 
like, well, I'm good, but I'm 

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not as good, you know? 
So I think that sort of comes 

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in. 
OK, so this is something that 

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came up in my discussion with 
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going through all of, you know, 
the results from this past 

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weekend and just sort of like 
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And he said something along the 
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awesome to go see Jess, like, go
blast like a fast time on a flat

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course somewhere. 
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Push back a little bit in 
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we're at in the timeline to LA, 
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before that, the 28 trials of 
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If we kind of look at what the 
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next two years, less than that 
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two more marathons before then, 
at least 2-3 in the fall, starts

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to kind of push it when it gets 
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And I kind of said I was like, I
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know, you're going to go and, 
you know, give the American 

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record a scare, which, you know,
we haven't really seen anyone 

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break 220 other than Emily. 
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think the approach is it's safe 
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Boston cycle, which, yeah, it 
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and blast a fast course. 
But these are the ones where you

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go and learn how to compete 
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And I guess what did Boston 
teach you about that that you 

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learned about yourself that New 
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you? 
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really good point. 
And like I've had those same 

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thoughts in my head, like, you 
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people in my circle and like 
just talking about the fall and 

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it's like you want to run a 
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paper that reflects your fitness
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fitness. 
Of course everyone wants that. 

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Everyone wants the 221, the 222.
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the long term approach, I do 
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running a race like Boston, 
where there's a lot of Americans

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up there and in in the other, 
you know, some of the other big 

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majors like New York, it just 
teaches you how to be able to 

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fight through those different 
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this, you know, on the Olympic 
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toughest in the race? 
Not necessarily who's the 

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fittest, but who understands how
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Who understands that the first 
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just want to be tucked in and 
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a nobody and then kind of like 
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Because I think like it's super 
impressive to run a super fast 

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time on a flat course, but 
what's going to make top three 

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at the trials? 
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it's going to be the people who 
not a race and not necessarily 

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someone who's going to, you 
know, knockout a time trial 

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effort. 
While that is like awesome to 

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do. 
And I, I think there's a handful

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of women right now who could, 
you know, run incredibly fast on

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a flat course, like Jess 
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I do think like she's in 
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And, and I know like, she 
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because it's pressure and stuff.
But like being her friend, I can

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say that like she is like 
phenomenally talented. 

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I guess every athlete is 
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Maybe that gives some athletes 
confidence to run on a fast flat

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course. 
Personally, I'm not sure where 

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I'm at in terms of the fall yet.
Like, I, like, part of me wants 

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to run fast. 
Part of me is like, I want to 

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nail a world major like the way 
I know I can and like run it 

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smart. 
And I don't think I think Boston

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I didn't run not smart. 
Like I think I ran Boston smart 

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the first half. 
I don't think I messed anything 

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up Like New York, we went out in
a whatever 5:45 and then I ran a

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couple 5 minute miles. 
Like that was stupid for me. 

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But Boston wasn't like that. 
It was just the lack of 

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preparation for the downhills 
that really got to me. 

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So I think that's what Boston 
taught me to to your point, like

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Boston taught me that over New 
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And I think the next like bigger
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number one goal will be core 
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And you know, maybe that's less 
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it's still very important for 
New York to have like the core 

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specific knowledge. 
And so that is, that's the 

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biggest lesson I learned from 
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Specific racing is very 
important. 

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And it's like the make or break 
for for me in this race. 

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You did run, I mean, the first 
half super smart. 

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highlights I think also took 
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You had Susanna taking the field
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Then I think it was like 
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point by Wellesley is where I 
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of like Dakota kind of like 
hyping up the crowd, Jess taking

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it to the front, Annie as well, 
kind of covering those moves. 

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So it's sort of like you're one 
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there. 
You didn't have your sort of 

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like moment out there. 
What kind of confidence, I 

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guess, does it take to, you 
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yourself? 
And maybe I guess like, you're 

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just sort of like, you know, I'm
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this, this one and not 
necessarily have to expend extra

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energy to get, you know, the TV 
time. 

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Not that anyone's sort of like 
chasing that or the attention, 

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but people feed off of those 
different things differently. 

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Yes, people feel like to 
exactly. 

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That's exactly it. 
People different like athletes 

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in the race feed off of the 
crowds energy and actually makes

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I feel like physiologically 
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Whereas for me I was, you know, 
scared shitless. 

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So like, you know, I was just 
like, Oh my God, this is Boston,

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you know, like I'm not scared of
my competitors. 

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But it's still a daunting task 
to be like, OK, yeah, you feel 

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good now, but you still have 21 
miles to go, dear. 

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Like you're at mile 5, you know 
what I mean? 

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So every ounce of energy that I 
had, I wanted it for myself. 

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I just, I had to be selfish. 
I did give, I did give like 1 

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high five in the race. 
So. 

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So that was that was fun. 
And the crowds were absolutely 

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incredible. 
But yeah, I mean, I think the 

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highlight of the race for me, to
be honest, was just at the 

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beginning running alongside 
Jess. 

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And like, at one point I think 
running me, Susanna, Jess just 

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felt like, yay for Team Brooks, 
you know, like we're in in 

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regardless of the result. 
It was like we wanted to do that

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for Brooks. 
Like we we want to be the best 

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representation possible for 
them. 

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And because they're so good to 
us. 

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And like, we, we tried, we, we 
all three tried really hard and 

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obviously just got the job done.
I didn't quite get there. 

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Suzanne didn't quite get there. 
But we put ourselves out there. 

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And that was definitely a 
highlight for me. 

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And then, you know, running 
alongside Sarah Hall, like all 

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the cheers she got, people 
screaming like, happy birthday, 

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Sarah, you're my hero. 
And Sarah said a few words to me

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in the race. 
She was like, I don't know if 

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it's like mile 14 or 13. 
And she was like, you're doing 

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really good. 
Like, you're doing a really good

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job. 
Keep it up. 

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And I was like, wow, that, you 
know, means a lot coming from 

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her. 
And so, yeah, I just think, 

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like, you grow that confidence, 
like the Dakotas, the Annie's, 

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this, you know, Sarah was hyping
up the crowd a little bit, too. 

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I think you developed that 
confidence as you get into your 

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career. 
And I know like Dakota would 

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probably never say, oh, I'm a 
veteran at this point in the 

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marathon. 
But in my eyes, for me, I feel 

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like they're veterans at the at 
the marathon in that they've 

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just done, you know, they've had
so many under their belt that 

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they know when they can use 
their energy and they know when 

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they want to conserve it. 
And I just haven't got the 

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confidence yet to really be 
like, oh, no, I'm going to take 

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the lead right now or, or 
whatever, you know, on purpose, 

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I guess. 
I think it'll come, but it's 

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just going to take a couple more
under my belt to get there. 

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So another difference between 

527
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New York and Boston was, if I 
think back to the way the pro 

528
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race unfolded in New York, it 
was just sort of like you did 

529
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have Stephane, Helen, Sharon, 
Fiona, just with a very early 

530
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kind of breakaway. 
So you never really kind of got 

531
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,720
to hang in the lead pack with 
them for very long. 

532
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,840
And this time around, it was 
bunched up for a while, I guess.

533
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,400
What was it like? 
I guess kind of experiencing and

534
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,720
seeing that breakaway surge for 
the first time. 

535
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,440
Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure if it
was. 

536
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,440
You know, I saw Dakota and the 
Cody Clevins. 

537
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,600
Those two made quite a surge 
away from the field and I think 

538
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,960
that's what started picking like
having things pick up a little 

539
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,920
bit. 
It was interesting to be in that

540
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,480
group for for as long as I was. 
And then I was growing detached 

541
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,000
from the group and then actually
catching back up to the group 

542
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:33,400
along with Izzy from Australia. 
We kind of work together to make

543
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,440
our way back up to the group. 
And then another move was made 

544
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,760
and we detached from them again.
And she just said to me, she's 

545
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,480
like, hey, we're good. 
We'll catch them in the 

546
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,080
second-half. 
And so it was cool to be up 

547
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,560
there. 
But I will say, like at New 

548
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,560
York, I think I, I think I stuck
with the group just short of 13 

549
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,280
miles. 
And that was, I was a little 

550
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,000
more just like starstruck I 
think more than anything because

551
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,000
like, it wasn't as deep of an 
American field, I don't think. 

552
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,320
But in terms of the 
international field that was 

553
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,400
there, it was the who's who of 
running. 

554
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,640
And so for me, I was more, I 
think, in awe of the women. 

555
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,240
I was running around in New York
more than anything. 

556
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,000
And in this race, it was just 
like, OK, there's still some 

557
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,800
huge stars in this field, like 
internationally, but I was more 

558
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,480
just like, no, you can run with 
them. 

559
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,000
You can run with them. 
Don't think about it. 

560
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,960
So that's a little bit of a 
difference, I feel like, from 

561
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,320
New York to Boston. 
But yeah, I was definitely more 

562
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,480
focused on my own race in this 
race than I was in New York, NY.

563
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,360
I was just like, Oh my God, look
at these crowds. 

564
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,280
Like I was just like looking 
around everywhere, like this is 

565
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,720
crazy. 
And I was more like focused on 

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00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:43,600
me and focused on Jess and 
Susanna for the first whatever, 

567
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,400
9 or 10 miles. 
But after that, it was just 

568
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,640
about me. 
And then, Oh my God, my quads. 

569
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,600
That was it. 
So in your caption, you wrote 

570
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,720
about kind of like that final 
mile and the moment watching, I 

571
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,880
guess kind of just finish up 
ahead, I guess. 

572
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,640
Can you describe it, I guess for
the listeners who I guess 

573
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,920
haven't read it yet, but like, 
why was that so special for you?

574
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,680
Yeah, so I saw her on the big 
screen, like the crowds were 

575
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,880
insane. 
I was at 23.23 high with miles 

576
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,600
on my watch on my Garmin. 
I looked down and then on the 

577
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,280
board it showed 24.1 miles and 
it showed Jess like just just on

578
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,920
her. 
So I knew she was the only, I 

579
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,640
knew she was the top American. 
And everyone was like screaming 

580
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,040
at me, like, you know, cheering,
I'm sure, as I'm sure they were 

581
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,360
doing for every athlete out 
there. 

582
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,600
But I just started looking up at
the screen and I was like 

583
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,800
pointing to everyone on the 
streets. 

584
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,040
I was like, look, guys, like 
look at that's my girl, you 

585
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,520
know, that's my fucking girl. 
And I could have started crying.

586
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,240
I got so emotional watching her 
do that because, you know, like,

587
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,080
she had so much pressure on her 
going into this race to be like,

588
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,560
to repeat what she did last year
and to to just like know that 

589
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,880
she was on her way to do it. 
Man, It like made me tear up. 

590
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,120
And I was in so much pain, like 
physically. 

591
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,360
So I think that played a huge 
part in like, being as emotional

592
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,800
as I was. 
And so, yeah, when I crossed the

593
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,880
line, I just like saw her and 
just started crying. 

594
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,320
And I was like, Oh my God, did 
you did you do it? 

595
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,040
And she said yes. 
And of course she wanted to not 

596
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,480
make it about her, but I just 
started crying because I was 

597
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,920
like, I was just so proud of 
her, you know? 

598
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,280
And like, still, like, I feel 
like I'm getting emotional, but 

599
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,320
she's just incredible. 
And just watching the way she 

600
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,400
carries herself is like, I feel 
like everyone should aspire to 

601
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,640
be how she is. 
And she just been dealt like a 

602
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,240
shitty hand in so many races. 
So yeah, it's just like, 

603
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,200
incredible. 
And and that was like the 

604
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,960
literally the first thing I 
thought of after being like, oh,

605
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,720
boy, I'm going to sit down now, 
Was just like, Oh my God, Jess 

606
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,720
is incredible. 
And then we got to share a 

607
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,120
really sweet moment together 
with, you know, my dad and our 

608
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:57,280
coach, David and and Megan. 
And it was just really sweet to 

609
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,640
see that happen. 
And yeah, that was definitely a 

610
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,240
big, big highlight of the 
weekend for sure. 

611
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,680
When you got the chance to 
unpack the race with David and 

612
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,440
Megan, what were the pluses? 
And I guess like you were very 

613
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,160
quick to probably bring out like
all right, here were the areas 

614
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,720
for. 
Improvement. 

615
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,280
Yeah, the pluses were definitely
like #1 and Josh, my agent 

616
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,640
always says this to me, you 
can't walk away from a race with

617
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,120
your head down if you have APR 
because it's the fastest you've 

618
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,440
ever covered the distance. 
So that was a plus. 

619
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,080
The next plus was that the with 
the way I was feeling physically

620
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,400
and even like looking at a 
couple of those aid stations, 

621
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,400
like man, those look really good
right now. 

622
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,360
Like my quads, like I felt like 
my quads were going to explode. 

623
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,760
That's how bad it felt. 
Like being able to mentally 

624
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:49,000
reframe it and still finish with
a respectable PR versus like 

625
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,440
just kind of slogging it in and 
maybe losing like 3-4 or five 

626
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,160
minutes and just saying, hey, 
today's not my day. 

627
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,400
I was really proud of myself for
that. 

628
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:04,280
Like when I crossed the line and
I saw 224, I was actually in 

629
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,920
shock because of how bad I felt 
that I still was able to pull 

630
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,040
off APR. 
So that was what the one thing I

631
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,360
was actually proud of myself for
in this race and that David. 

632
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:18,159
David also was like looking at 
my GPS file and he was just said

633
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,280
it had to be so hard going from 
like the depths that I was 

634
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,239
clearly in because of dropping 
some, you know, high five 30s, 

635
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,040
low five 40s there for a couple 
miles. 

636
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,920
He's like to bring yourself back
from that is like the most 

637
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,960
incredible thing like you did in
that race. 

638
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,520
And like that is a sign of, you 
know, a true marathoner. 

639
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,040
And it will come together in the
future where I don't have those 

640
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,080
really crappy miles. 
But the fact I was able to to 

641
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,560
pull it back in and like even 
getting some speed under my legs

642
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,960
those last couple miles when I 
felt like, you know, OK, the 

643
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,360
quads are the quads are going to
be able to do this. 

644
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,199
Like you just have to kind of 
adjust your form. 

645
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,440
I was really proud of being able
to like bring it in and and like

646
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,200
finish the race the way I did. 
And you know those. 

647
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,680
So those were the pros of it. 
And just, you know, obviously 

648
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,320
there's, there was quite a few 
cons to to it as well that I 

649
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,880
mentioned earlier. 
But yeah, I think the other 

650
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,000
thing David had said was like, 
we just started working 

651
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,200
together, this marathon build, 
you know what I mean? 

652
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,600
And it just for him and for me, 
we both need to give ourselves 

653
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,720
grace because it's not easy to 
switch coaches when you've had 

654
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:27,440
success with a with a previous 
coach. 

655
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,040
It's really hard to know as a 
coach exactly how your athlete 

656
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,680
is going to respond to certain 
things. 

657
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,760
And like, there could be things 
in the taper we could do better.

658
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,840
There could be things in the 
long runs we can do better. 

659
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,680
The number one thing training 
wise was, hey, we need to get 

660
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,840
your legs stronger. 
Like we need to do more downhill

661
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,640
running, more hills. 
Like right after the race we 

662
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,200
talked about next time, next 
marathon we have I'm going to go

663
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,280
away for probably four to six 
week camp at altitude and just 

664
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,960
like really, really hammer out 
there. 

665
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,800
So like, that's just how it's 
going to, that's how it's going 

666
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,280
to be from now on. 
And like, you know, there, there

667
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,040
was a lot of things I learned 
from this race. 

668
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,200
And like, at the end of the day,
like David and I are just 

669
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,520
getting to really know each 
other. 

670
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,600
And he's had a relationship with
Jess for such a long time, which

671
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,480
is I think why it's clicking so 
well now. 

672
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:25,560
But Megan had a lot of really, 
really good things that that she

673
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,080
provided as well. 
And she was just like this 

674
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,680
second marathon dude, Like this 
is incredible. 

675
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,600
So it's it's nice to get that 
perspective shift from like 

676
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,680
different people in my circle. 
But of course, I want everyone 

677
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,040
to be honest with me. 
And, and maybe not right after 

678
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,280
the race is the best time to be 
like, this is what you need to 

679
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,320
do better. 
But that's what I I'll be like, 

680
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,000
what do I need to do better? 
So it's like, yeah, I want them 

681
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,360
to tell me. 
But at the same time, I'm like, 

682
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,640
never mind. 
I don't want to hear it. 

683
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,440
I already hate myself, but not 
really. 

684
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,600
But you know. 
And I think it was David's 

685
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,360
Instagram, he wrote. 
As I told Megan after our first 

686
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,920
coaching conversation, Amanda's 
made of different stuff. 

687
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,400
I don't know exactly when it's 
going to happen, but when it 

688
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,640
does, every young runner's going
to think about running, running 

689
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,040
like Amanda. 
So he has, you know, this great 

690
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,080
sense of belief in you and 
probably, you know, thinks the 

691
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,000
ceiling for you in the marathon 
is so, so high. 

692
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,240
What's it like to have someone 
in your camp who's just willing 

693
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,160
to say that out loud? 
Yeah, I mean, it's incredible. 

694
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,120
I think the one of the reasons I
wanted to work with David is 

695
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,400
because he, you know, obviously 
he's an incredible athlete 

696
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,240
himself. 
He's set the course record in 

697
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,360
Leadville, you know, a number of
times. 

698
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,040
And the, the reason I think he 
knows so much about what it's 

699
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,920
like to be at this level is 
because he's gone from like the 

700
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,480
lowest of lows in a race to like
DNF ING to just having like 

701
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,200
really horrible, like mental 
struggles in a race to coming 

702
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,320
out the other side and having, 
you know, huge success. 

703
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,080
And for him to see that within 
me, not that this was a huge 

704
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,880
failure by any means, but just 
like for him to see that, like 

705
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,120
that's the trajectory I'm, I'm 
going to be on is really 

706
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,200
powerful for me and does make me
feel like I can be there. 

707
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,280
And not only David, but like 
Megan as well, because Megan's 

708
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,720
just as much a part of our 
training as David is like she's,

709
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,000
she's the one who's giving a lot
of input on it. 

710
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,320
So like a lot of credit to Megan
as well. 

711
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:34,400
And just like Jess to and like 
Jess and Annie and Dakota, they 

712
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:41,800
just, they like provide me with 
just such important like advice,

713
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,120
I guess, or just like assurance 
that hey, dude, like we, we and 

714
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,000
they know like we're all 
competitors, but they're like, 

715
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,000
you're good, like you're doing 
really good. 

716
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,520
And I know they all want the 
best for me, even if we are 

717
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,600
competitors, Like they will be 
completely honest with me and 

718
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,480
they'll tell me, yeah, like, 
hey, maybe you should do this 

719
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,160
differently, or maybe you should
do that differently. 

720
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,720
Or, hey, have you thought about 
this? 

721
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,200
But to know, like the people in 
my corner are like the best in 

722
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,680
the world, it's it's just really
assuring, like reassuring to 

723
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,600
know that it might not happen 
right away, but it's trending 

724
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,520
upward. 
And yeah, so for, yeah, the 

725
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,680
future of my marathoning career 
I think is really bright, but 

726
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,920
it's just, I think it's OK that 
it's taking a little bit longer 

727
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,640
than I wanted it to, so. 
Can you paint the picture for 

728
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,280
folks who maybe weren't in 
Boston but follow along with 

729
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,760
sort of like your career, just 
what it's like being a Brooks 

730
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,120
athlete at something like the 
Boston Marathon because you 

731
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,520
know, the environment that they,
you know, create with the 

732
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,600
Hyperion House, the programming,
Like it's very engaging with 

733
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,000
like the community where I think
like you did a panel, you came 

734
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,960
out to the shakeout run that we 
did. 

735
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,040
And so it's like, it's cool to 
be ingrained in that side of the

736
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,280
sport. 
But at the same time, they do 

737
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,720
such a good job of like, 
managing sort of like, all 

738
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,320
right, well, now it's time to 
get you back, you know, kick 

739
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,960
your feet up and get ready for 
the race. 

740
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,280
Yeah, it's, that's such a good 
point. 

741
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,280
Like I felt the whole weekend 
like it was a Brooks event. 

742
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,400
Like it just felt like we were 
all reuniting and, and even out 

743
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,360
on the course, I just felt a lot
of Brooks love out there. 

744
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,640
I don't know, I think because 
these like world majors are just

745
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,400
such a big deal. 
I just loved that. 

746
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,960
I loved what Brooks did with it.
Like it made it feel so special 

747
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,440
for us. 
And yeah, like Susanna mentioned

748
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,480
in one of the one of the panels 
that we did, like you can look 

749
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,960
at it as an energy zapper or 
like an energy giver. 

750
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,920
And I think for all of us who 
are out there feeling the 

751
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,160
support from the the Brooks 
community was just like, what 

752
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,920
got us to that next level? 
And we're still feeling it. 

753
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,280
You know, we're still feeling 
all the love. 

754
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,720
And they just did an amazing 
job. 

755
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,480
And, you know, the fact that we 
got, you know, Sidious there, 

756
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,800
like it was really cool. 
And like, again, I'm so spoiled 

757
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,320
because it's only my second 
marathon. 

758
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,520
And it just felt so special. 
Like like even over New York, it

759
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,400
was just a different experience.
It was so much more about Brooks

760
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,320
than the New York was. 
And obviously it's mostly 

761
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,000
because we had a lot of Brooks 
athletes there, but it was 

762
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,680
really incredible. 
And I just like, I don't know 

763
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,040
how you could top that. 
They did such a good job. 

764
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,200
And I think that's how it should
be for every like athlete lining

765
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,040
up in the at this level. 
It's just like so much hard work

766
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,880
goes into it from all like it 
from all areas. 

767
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,200
We've got, you know, I'm texting
with people about like last 

768
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,400
minute nutrition stuff or like, 
you know, texting our athlete, 

769
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,680
you know, Brooks manager for 
anything I need. 

770
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,320
It's just we're really well 
taken care of. 

771
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,240
So it was a really great time. 
So yeah, just thank you to 

772
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:57,240
everyone and just Boston 
Marathon in general was it's a 

773
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,920
crazy how how many people showed
out to support and who were like

774
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,120
just loved, like loved the 
running community. 

775
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,440
It was very cool to see that. 
I think one thing that Brooks is

776
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,640
really doing well is just kind 
of like widening that spotlight 

777
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,640
on their elite athletes. 
Like even you, I guess, being 

778
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,960
like in your second marathon, 
like, you know, there's just 

779
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,320
more hype and attention on just 
sort of like what you're doing 

780
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,120
versus just sort of some brands,
it's like they wait for their 

781
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,040
athletes to have that sort of 
big moment before finally like 

782
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,160
capitalizing upon them. 
And what that also does is it 

783
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:36,960
kind of widens the reach of your
story or your profile to other 

784
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,920
folks in the renting community. 
And so I'm curious, like, did 

785
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,640
you have any sort of like cool 
fan interactions where it's sort

786
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,560
of you're like, I guess this is 
only your second marathon, but 

787
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,960
it's kind of nuts to also think 
it's like, wow, like I've got 

788
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,640
fans already. 
No, it was crazy. 

789
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,960
I mean, I was laughing a couple 
times because like, I don't get 

790
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,280
obviously nearly as much as, you
know, some of the other girls. 

791
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,920
Clayton can't walk like 5 
minutes without getting stuck. 

792
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,960
Oh my God, it's so funny. 
I was. 

793
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,600
I actually got to know his wife 
this weekend, just knowing all 

794
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,400
that they do. 
We sat. 

795
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,520
And if, you know, if people 
don't know, like all the elite 

796
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,120
athletes sit together for 
breakfast, lunch and dinner for 

797
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,320
all the meals. 
So we had a big table at one 

798
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,920
point with Clayton and Jess and,
you know, all the whole Brooks 

799
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,000
squad. 
We were eating dinner and, you 

800
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,800
know, Clayton was just telling 
us like that, yeah, this is 

801
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,160
like, this is what we do. 
And it's like people demand 

802
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,800
things of us, like not on 
Brooks, obviously, but like 

803
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,720
they're so well known in that 
space that it's like, I don't 

804
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:39,560
know how you guys are still 
performing at the way you're 

805
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,880
performing. 
But yeah, just like knowing that

806
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,560
there's people out there that 
even like know my name or like, 

807
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,840
hey, like I'm a really big fan. 
I'm like, wow, that's it's crazy

808
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,000
because like you said, yeah, I 
think it's easy for brands to 

809
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,240
celebrate their star, right? 
Like it's easy for brands to be 

810
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:59,680
like, oh, Jess McClain, our 
star, because she is a star and 

811
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,640
she's, you know, American record
talent and, and all these 

812
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,280
things. 
And like, she's going to be on, 

813
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,960
you know, she's going to make an
Olympic team and all these 

814
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,960
things. 
But it's harder for or not 

815
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,400
harder, but it's like, I think 
more like impressive that a 

816
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,560
brand is like, hey, these are 
our rising stars or like these 

817
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,560
are, you know, these are other 
athletes that we support, that 

818
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,560
we believe in. 
And it's just really cool to see

819
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,920
our trajectory because I haven't
been working with Brooks that 

820
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,840
long even. 
But even when they signed me, it

821
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,440
was like, yeah, I ran a couple 
great 10 KS, but that's it. 

822
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,640
I hadn't even run a half 
marathon when Brooks signed me. 

823
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,960
So to see them like, you know, 
Garrett, Garrett Heath is just 

824
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,840
like he you know, he he talked 
to me when I first joined Brooks

825
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,800
and was like, yeah, we see this.
We see this in you and that's 

826
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,640
still how I feel to today. 
Like I, I don't think I've had 

827
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,960
that big breakthrough yet, but 
they're still there to support 

828
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,200
and they know I've got it in me.
And they more than anyone, 

829
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,840
they're like, stop being 
critical of yourself. 

830
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,480
Like you're you're good, you 
know what I mean? 

831
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,640
But because they believe in me 
so much, I want to be, I want to

832
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,160
be at the level for them, you 
know? 

833
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,120
But yeah, it's just really 
special and Brooks is just doing

834
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,680
a great job of of making their 
athletes more well known and 

835
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,800
more accessible to everyone, 
which I think is cool. 

836
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,200
Another reason why I wanted to, 
you know, kind of close the loop

837
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,760
on just sort of your Boston 
Marathon experience with just 

838
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,360
sort of doing the interview 
beforehand. 

839
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,880
And then irregardless of the 
result, closing the loop and 

840
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,840
getting this sort of reflection 
is because, you know, I think 

841
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,120
for a lot of people as they 
remember the 2026 Boston 

842
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,160
Marathon, like I think I wrote 
about this for, you know, the 

843
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,760
lab count or for the city's 
newsletter where it was like 

844
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,000
people know Boston through, you 
can say a year. 

845
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,520
And then kind of if you know, 
you know, like what the weather 

846
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,040
was like in that year. 
So 2011, famously the windy 

847
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,320
12018, the rainy 12012, like the
Hot 1. 

848
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,000
And now 2026 is going to be 
another one where it's like the 

849
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,680
windy one where everyone ran 
really, really fast. 

850
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,440
And and we saw a slew of 
personal best like come from 

851
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,160
this. 
But at the same time, like for 

852
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,600
Someone Like You where the 
performance was a personal best,

853
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,880
but didn't quite live up to the 
standards that you had set for 

854
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,600
yourself. 
I'm sure there's tons of people.

855
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,600
There were 30,000 plus people 
who ran this race who didn't 

856
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,400
have, you know, the day that 
they were expecting, maybe 

857
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,520
didn't even PR or fell way short
of, you know, their goals. 

858
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,200
What do you hope it is that they
can take away from like this 

859
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,080
conversation we just had for 
their own sort of experience? 

860
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,720
Because like it is, you know, 
important to have that critical 

861
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,000
perspective on your own sort of 
performance, but at the same 

862
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,440
time reminding yourself of the 
patience it takes to, you know, 

863
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,920
make steps forwards in. 
America. 

864
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,960
Yeah, I mean that you just 
nailed it right in the head. 

865
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:00,160
That's like #2 top thing in my 
head is like, it was such a good

866
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,800
opportunity weather wise. 
And of course, I would tell 

867
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,200
everyone out there who didn't 
live up to the day that they 

868
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,960
thought that they were capable 
of with the conditions. 

869
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,960
I would tell them like, there's 
always the next one and not 

870
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,960
every race, regardless of the 
conditions is going to be your 

871
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,120
day. 
And like, I wish I could 

872
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,840
internalize that myself. 
It's just so much harder to do 

873
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,120
that yourself, especially, you 
know, when you when you have 

874
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,360
really, you know, high 
expectations and stuff, But I 

875
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,000
would just tell everyone out 
there like you'll get it next 

876
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,400
time. 
Honestly, like I think 

877
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,600
consistency is king in the 
marathon. 

878
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:41,640
And if you can walk away from 
this race healthy, right, Like 

879
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,960
no injuries or anything, which 
thankfully, like I feel great 

880
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,800
other than my quads being 
trashed. 

881
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,840
Like if you can walk away 
healthy and like not walk away 

882
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,360
from the race defeated, but like
critical and also what can I do 

883
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,360
better next time? 
I think that's the main thing to

884
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,320
do. 
Don't look at that is a 

885
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,040
disappointment. 
Look at it from a perspective of

886
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,480
what what can I do better to 
prepare myself for Boston 

887
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,880
specifically? 
And how am I going to put that 

888
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,600
into action for the next Boston?
Because it's not just a 

889
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,320
marathon, it's the Boston 
Marathon. 

890
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,320
And Boston is so much different 
than any other marathon that I 

891
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,320
think there are really clear, 
actionable steps you can take to

892
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,880
prepare yourself better. 
And that's what's like exciting 

893
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,800
for me. 
I guess like to kind of like 

894
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,680
wrap it up. 
Like I, you know, marathons are 

895
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,240
one thing, but Boston is a 
different beast. 

896
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:36,080
And I think that's the exciting 
thing about it is even like, 

897
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,720
even though the preparation was 
good, it needs to be more 

898
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,640
specific and everyone can can 
work on that, right? 

899
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,040
Like everyone can find things 
in, you know, in their in their 

900
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,200
gym to do to make their legs 
stronger or like find different 

901
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,800
Hillier routes that'll that'll 
help callus the legs. 

902
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,880
But just walk away with your 
head high and like, there's, you

903
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,440
know, the elite field. 
You know, not everyone in the 

904
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,920
elite field was happy with that.
There was women who finished 

905
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,640
behind me that I'm sure weren't 
absolutely thrilled with their 

906
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,360
day. 
And while there were those few 

907
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,080
up there that had banger days, 
like that's just not realistic 

908
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,400
for everyone in the field to 
have. 

909
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,520
So we just happen to be on the 
other side of that. 

910
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,920
So we're in it together and 
like, yeah, we'll get it next 

911
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,320
time for sure. 
But for now, just like, 

912
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,440
celebrate getting through the 
build healthy and recover. 

913
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,440
And yeah, that's pretty much it.
How tough is it to think of 

914
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,720
what's next when you could 
barely walk? 

915
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,400
Oh, it's already Chris. 
If you knew the things I had in 

916
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,400
my head right now of what I 
wanted to do. 

917
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,000
Like I thought, I thought about 
texting David early this 

918
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,640
morning, like I want to do a 
marathon right now. 

919
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,960
Like I just, you know, when 
you're so like pissed that you 

920
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,400
just want to go out and do it. 
But then I go walk and I try and

921
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,640
step down. 
Like we were walking through the

922
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,720
airport yesterday and I, we were
walking to get to the airport 

923
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:59,480
and I like was stepping down 
from a curb and I couldn't get 

924
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,120
like I had to be picked up to be
put down over the curb. 

925
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,000
Like, so that's humbling, right?
Like that's what's helping me be

926
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,080
like, no, enjoy your time off 
and then get back into it is 

927
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,640
like, oh, well, you can't run 
right now. 

928
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,800
Like even if you tried, it's 
cute to think you can. 

929
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,480
But if you saw that video of 
Clayton yesterday of him trying 

930
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,160
to run, I was like, I could not 
be me. 

931
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:23,080
It's it's tough to not just want
to get right back out there, but

932
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,240
I think we'll take a good 5 or 6
days of nothing. 

933
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,520
And then we had a pretty strong 
taper. 

934
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,400
So I don't feel like aerobically
tired at all once my legs are 

935
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,560
back under me. 
I'm sure I'll get into some some

936
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,880
some runs, but I just want to 
get back out there so bad. 

937
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,560
Specifically for the marathon. 
But I'll be doing many other 

938
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,000
races before my next marathon, 
so. 

939
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,800
I did text Clayton right after 
the he posted that video. 

940
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,040
I think of like trying to go for
a jog. 

941
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,600
It looked like it looked more 
like and I and I said to him, I 

942
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:01,560
was like I and I did. 
I checked the LA 2028 schedule 

943
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:07,120
and it looks like he could do 
the race walk half marathon to 

944
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,800
marathon double because I think 
it's like July 28th and July 

945
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,240
30th. 
I was like, you got a day off in

946
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:14,920
between both, but I was like, it
looks like you're ready to 

947
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,640
qualify for both teams because I
mean, he was legit race. 

948
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,040
Walk, he was race walk and there
was no there was no quad 

949
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,320
engagement. 
That's The thing is like you, 

950
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,960
you think you can, you're like, 
Oh well, I'm walking fine. 

951
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,560
But whenever you try to actually
engage the quad, you just fall, 

952
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,000
or at least I do. 
So I think it'd be a hazard at 

953
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,200
this point for me to try. 
And I was talking to Annie 

954
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,840
Frisbee a little bit a couple 
days ago and she was like, don't

955
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,880
be surprised if you still can't 
walk normally for about 5 or 6 

956
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,840
days and. 
I was like 5 or 6. 

957
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,360
Wow. 
Yeah, like I'd be for your first

958
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,520
one. 
I just feel like it's a 

959
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,840
different piece and Remember Me 
coming from Florida, it's like 

960
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,480
it's a different beast, you 
know? 

961
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,400
And, and while I did do some 
downhills, it's just nothing 

962
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,480
like like Boston. 
So I think it'll take a little 

963
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,320
bit, but bumping up the protein 
intake. 

964
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,680
Normally after races, I would 
hit the weight room and just 

965
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,960
like try and capitalize on not 
having to run and just get 

966
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,560
strong. 
But I can't do anything. 

967
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,640
I can't do anything. 
So I'm just going to be a BLOB 

968
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,080
for a few days and like, try and
try and work out all the kinks 

969
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,600
in my legs, but no injuries 
other than that. 

970
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,040
So yeah. 
There we go well Amanda, 

971
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:29,720
congratulations on another 
marathon in the books. 

972
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:34,440
Celebrate the PR it's OK to be a
BLOB for the next couple days. 

973
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,000
Enjoy the time off and I'm sure 
when you get right back into 

974
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,920
your next, you know, race build,
it's going to be super 

975
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,840
intentional and we're going to 
see just sort of a lot of the 

976
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,240
lessons that you took from 
Boston apply to it and many more

977
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,600
great things to come. 
Yeah, it's chapter 3. 

978
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,280
It's going to be the comeback 
for sure. 

979
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,040
But thanks for having me on to 
to discuss everything. 

980
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,720
All right, that's a wrap on 
today's episode. 

981
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,720
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982
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,440
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983
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,760
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984
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,800
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985
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,520
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