1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,000 This episode of the City Smack podcast is presented by USA 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,720 Track and Field. All right, if you love speed, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,360 power, and championship moments, lock in right now. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,800 The USATF Indoor Track and Field Championships presented by 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,960 Prevagen are back in New York City from February 28th through 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,280 March 1st at the Ocean Breeze Athletic Complex in Staten 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Island. This is where legends don't just 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,760 race, they punch their ticket to the world stage. 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,760 The pressure's reel, the margins are razor thin, and every 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,439 athlete is fighting for one thing. 11 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:37,080 A spot on Team USATF at the World Indoor Championships. 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,240 The star power? Unreal. 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,360 You'll see the likes of Olympic champion Noah Lyles, Olympic 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,080 champion Cole Hawker, Olympic medalist Jasmine Moore, world 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,120 record holder Hobbs Kessler, world champion Ellie Saint 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,320 Pierre, US record holder Sinclair Johnson. 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,600 I can go on and on and on. This meet sells out every single 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,920 year because when the fastest and the strongest athletes on 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,640 the planet show up, there's nowhere to hide. 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,200 No bad seats, no second chances. So don't wait. 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:09,360 Grab your tickets now at usatf.org/tickets and experience 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,560 track and field and it's absolute loudest. 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,200 It is February 5th. I'm Chris Chavez. 24 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,800 I'm Preet Majethia. And this week in track and 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,680 field, we're catching up on a couple loose ends of news 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,160 stories since the Melrose Games, which were this past weekend. 27 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,680 If you want our full recap from that, we've got a show that we 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,560 recorded live from the Armory immediately after the action 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,800 wrapped up. But for today's episode, we are 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,680 going to be talking about quite a bit of people getting upset 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,240 about Jacob Pupilimo and his pace car controversy. 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,000 We've got Sam Ruth's 348 Mile. I don't think we talked enough 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,720 about that while we were in New York City, really forcing the 34 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,280 whole world to try and process what is possible at 16 years 35 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,520 old. We'll also talk about Femca 36 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,920 Bowl's upcoming 800 meter debut and why there's just a wide 37 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:15,120 range of expectations for her first time trying to distance. 38 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,600 And then finally, we've got a couple doping stories. 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,960 We got Alicia Newman's suspension, which is whereabouts 40 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:29,120 failure and then a Paris world Paris top five finisher in the 41 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,400 10K got busted for the athlete biological passport. 42 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,680 So let's get right into it. But first, before we start 43 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,000 discussing the latest news, Preet, what was your you? 44 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,920 What were your impressions of your U.S. tour? 45 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,520 It was cold, I'll say that much. I mean, I've never been so cold 46 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,320 in my life. I rocked up in Boston. 47 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,680 It was, it was pretty pleasant when I got there. 48 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,360 But then obviously we had the meet and then Sunday we had the 49 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,080 massive snowstorm and I was stuck in my room and that was my 50 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,120 one day for exploring Boston. So that was a bit of a shame I 51 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,680 didn't get to see as much of Boston and New York as I would 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,680 have liked outside of the track meets, as I was hoping just 53 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,800 because of the weather. But nonetheless, it was, it was 54 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,520 great to be out there, see my first two US track meets. 55 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,920 So definitely an experience. I mean, that New Balance 56 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:21,640 facility is, is obviously amazing. 57 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:25,160 It's a really great facility. It's, it's a little cavernous. 58 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,880 So when you've got a track meet in there, it can be a little bit 59 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,120 like, it's quite hard to get the vibe going just because the 60 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,120 number of people that they've got seats for doesn't, you know, 61 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,240 the, the, the sort of the sound of the crowd cheering that sort 62 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,280 of goes into empty space and doesn't generate the like indoor 63 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,440 atmosphere that we like to kind of have as much as maybe some of 64 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,320 the other meats. But at the same time, it's still 65 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,760 a really well organized meet. We had great facilities in the 66 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,040 mix zone. So that was really good. 67 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,040 Got to see a 2K world record. So that was nice. 68 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,720 So yeah, I mean, it was definitely a good experience. 69 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,760 And then with Milrose, obviously Milrose, I mean, you have to 70 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,520 give them credit. They know how to put on a meet, 71 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,040 right? They absolutely do know how to 72 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,400 put on meet. The press conference was the 73 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,200 best press conference I've ever been to the Well, no, as in it's 74 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,280 just the way they set up the breakouts and stuff which makes 75 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,560 it so much easier to get good content out of the athletes. 76 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,320 They don't waste people's time with really long sort of press 77 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,360 conference segments where you know the athletes aren't going 78 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,960 to say anything on the sort of public press conference. 79 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,600 You don't really get good interactions with them there. 80 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,440 It's pretty rare. And then, you know, it's the 81 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,560 one-on-one interviews that you get pre meet that I find are 82 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,440 often the best interviews you can get because it, you know, 83 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,960 athletes are much more relaxed than they are when, you know, 84 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,680 when when you see them after they've just stepped off the, 85 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,600 the track after a race. So, you know, I had really good 86 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,000 conversations with likes of Dean Rasher Smith and and Yaron the 87 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,520 Goose and and stuff. So that was that was good fun. 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,240 And yeah, you got in. Terms of accessibility, like I 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,960 will give you that, that like they have taken notice of like 90 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,600 what is most useful for for people's time if they're coming 91 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,720 out to this press conference. The trickiest part with track 92 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,360 and field press conferences is always just sort of the timing 93 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,640 of it. I think that sometimes if you 94 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,080 are holding the press conference within 24 hours of the event 95 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,680 starting, it's too late. I don't know, it's just you're 96 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,240 kind of just going through the formalities at that point of 97 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:30,960 hosting a press conference. But yeah, and yeah, I guess for 98 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,200 the track specific media, it will, no matter the timing, be 99 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,360 useful. But if you're looking to capture 100 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,880 anything in a bigger market, it's like the the ship has 101 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,840 sailed at that point. And it's hard because most 102 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:47,680 athletes won't get into the city up until a day, like a day or 103 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,360 two beforehand. So you can't hold a press 104 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,600 conference on Wednesday, 1st Saturday event in the hopes of 105 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,280 drumming up excitement from The Athletic or The New York Times, 106 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,200 you know, in on Thursday or Friday if you're looking for 107 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,440 like those last minute ticket sales. 108 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,920 But then again, this meat has been sold out, so it's on. 109 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,400 You're not necessarily looking to drive up, you know, take a 110 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,560 ticket sales at that point 'cause there isn't really all 111 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,280 that much left. But the other thing that I 112 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:18,240 always struggle with with press conferences is having to sit 113 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,680 through the part where it's being moderated by someone. 114 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,240 They're not necessarily taking questions because they'll 115 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,560 reserve that for the people to go up afterwards and ask the 116 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,960 athletes questions. And it's always never really 117 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:51,000 about the meat or about head to I'm not, I'm not specifically 118 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,080 picking on the Milrose press conference, but it's just sort 119 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,640 of like, that's why I guess even this time around I was texting 120 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,440 you because you were already there and I was like, I'll, I'll 121 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,120 come into the room once the breakout time starts. 122 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,880 I don't need to sit through like the, the whole, you know, stage 123 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,600 part of it because rarely is there anything substantial being 124 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,000 shared there. So yeah, you know, I mean, it's 125 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,640 really bad in Europe sometimes. It can be, it can be. 126 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,960 And I think I've been to obviously quite a few of those 127 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,440 Diamond League press conferences last year and some of them are 128 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,520 really, really good, obviously. So I had it wasn't the press 129 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,320 conference itself, but obviously the interaction I had with 130 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,640 Julian Alfred in Oslo where she went off to meet Usain Bolt in 131 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,800 the middle of middle of the interview and then came back. 132 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,360 That was pretty cool. And you know the, the, but I 133 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,080 think you also do get good opportunities. 134 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,880 I had a really nice chat with Caston Warholm's coach as well. 135 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,400 I think in, in Stockholm. And like some of them, they do, 136 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,000 they do, and they do kind of organize the breakouts and stuff 137 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,160 reasonably well. Quite a lot of those, if you, if 138 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,760 you plan in advance and and ask for athletes and they do try 139 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,640 their best to accommodate you. So it, it can be pretty good. 140 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,320 The most fun, to be fair, in press conference interaction 141 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,680 from my trip was Jake Whiteman because the moderator of the 142 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,960 press conference was his dad, Jeff Whiteman. 143 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:12,880 And so the fun thing there and go watch a clip if you can find, 144 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,440 I'm sure it's on YouTube somewhere, is where where Jeff 145 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,440 goes. So Jake, this is your eighth New 146 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:24,560 Balance Indoor Grand Prix. This is your fifth different 147 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,960 event. You've never won a single race. 148 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,160 God loves to try her. She's brilliant. 149 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,480 And it's obviously only something someone could say to 150 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:36,720 someone who they know really well. 151 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,559 And obviously you couldn't say it to any other athlete, but it 152 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,200 just made the interaction so much more fun. 153 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,400 So that's pretty cool. Cool. 154 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,320 But yeah, as I say, I think it's always good to see how different 155 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,520 places organise meets and, and, and to have that experience. 156 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,040 Did you? OK, So what did you make of the 157 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,760 actual meet itself at Melrose? So Melrose, I mean, it's, it's 158 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,400 always a where. Do you fall on the Milrose 159 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,080 versus Leven? I, I don't know about Leven 160 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,200 because I haven't been I I I I I I suppose I should give context 161 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,600 right? The indoor meats that I have 162 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,240 been to are world indoors, European indoors. 163 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,240 Birmingham World Indoor tour, which had like 10,000 people 164 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:22,000 packed house in, in a massive arena in Birmingham in the UK 165 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,240 and, and the UK indoor champs which were at the same arena. 166 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,640 And I had again, like 6-7 thousand people packing out the 167 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,520 place. So I've been to some very large 168 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,760 scale indoor meets, I think, and, and probably that, that, 169 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,360 you know, you, you've probably heard me on this podcast, if 170 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,040 you've been listening like rave about, about how good indoor 171 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,200 events are. And, and that's because of that. 172 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,760 I think Melrose lives up to the hype in the sense that it's such 173 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,600 an amazing atmosphere in that, you know, compact space and, and 174 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,760 they, you know, they have really good facilities in terms of the 175 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,000 TV screens and, and, and the views and stuff. 176 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,160 And but if you're a media person and the facilities are not that 177 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,920 great because you literally have to fight through the athletes, 178 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,440 the crowds, everything it's. Not big enough? 179 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:09,520 Yeah, because the the area around the track is not big 180 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,680 enough to kind of allow people to to pass through very, very 181 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:15,520 comfortably and to create pathways for people. 182 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,720 So, you know, everyone just has to sort of muscle their way 183 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,520 through. So it's a little bit trickier in 184 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,400 that sense. But obviously the races were 185 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,640 good. The problem obviously we had was 186 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,440 that Melrose last year was just so good that it may be set the 187 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,720 expectation level, just hold another level, right. 188 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,000 We had three world records last year, which is which is 189 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,640 absolutely insane. And obviously this year we had 190 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,600 zero world records, which, you know, you're not going to get 191 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,320 world records every year. We shouldn't expect that. 192 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,440 We had some good racing. It was, you know, it was still 193 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,520 it was still a good meet to come out for a really great meet to 194 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,320 experience. And you could see how much it 195 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,200 means to the athletes, you know, seeing, you know, Nikki Hawks 196 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,120 run around with that massive trophy that, you know, you could 197 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,480 see that it meant a lot, right. And, and I think it was, you 198 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,320 know, it was, and the after party afterwards, the way that 199 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,600 the organizers and the staff all dressed up in sort of black, 200 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,800 black tie, white tie, whatever, that was really cool. 201 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,000 Like they, they've got a vibe, they've got tradition. 202 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,240 I think there's, there's a, there's so much that's, that's 203 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,560 great about it. And yeah, I think, you know, if 204 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,360 you haven't been, it's, it's definitely a, a bucket list meet 205 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,480 to, to go to. And I imagine it's much better 206 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,960 as a spectator than watching it from behind the railings in the 207 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,400 media zone in terms of actually watching, watching the action 208 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,120 itself. All right, let's get into this 209 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,040 week's news. We'll start with news from 2 210 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,320 days ago that is still very active in our Instagram comment 211 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,280 section, and that is stemming from a report by Runners World 212 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:54,000 Spain that Jacob Kipolimo's 5642 half marathon set world record 213 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,000 set at last year's Barcelona half will not be ratified by 214 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,800 World Athletics. I was kind of, we, I think we 215 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,520 were talking about this last week or a week or two ago on the 216 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,080 show, we made a mention to this record and how it still had not 217 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,800 been ratified yet. And then my curiosity peaked 218 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,880 even more when a couple days before that, World Athletics 219 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,680 ratified 3 world records, including Grant Fisher's indoor 220 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:22,840 3K from Melrose the previous year. 221 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,360 So it's not all that uncommon for sometimes these records to 222 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,000 take their time in getting ratified. 223 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,640 But the kind of speculation and buzz around Kiplimo's half 224 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,880 marathon in Valencia had been kind of simmering for a couple 225 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,560 months. And I believe it was Yomi 226 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:46,040 Kajalcha had even joked about it in the pre race press conference 227 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:53,880 in Valencia before the half this past fall where he was like, I 228 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,520 mean, I think they asked him if the world record was on the 229 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:57,720 table. And he's like, if I have a car 230 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,880 pacing me just like Kip Limo or something like that. 231 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:06,440 And so the whole reason why Kip Limo's record is not getting 232 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:12,120 ratified is because he was aided by his proximity to the lead 233 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,080 car. However, World Athletics has not 234 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:21,440 set any rule for what the set distance should be as to how far 235 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,800 a car should be ahead of the lead athlete. 236 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,920 So Kiplima was estimated, according to this article, to be 237 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,360 10 to 20 meters behind the vehicle throughout the race. 238 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:39,040 They also made note that he was receiving some coaching or from 239 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:44,560 from the lead car. And All in all, the performance 240 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:48,760 took 48 seconds off of Cajelch's previous world record, which is 241 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,720 now back to being the world record, which is 5730 from the 242 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,080 2024 Valencia half. That's the one that World 243 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,800 Athletics is going to recognize. And so we're in this weird 244 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:06,840 situation where there was a 5642 that happened, yet it doesn't 245 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:12,480 count as the world record. So what we're going to need to 246 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,240 happen is the Valencia half takes place in 10 days. 247 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,640 Once again, what's funny about that is. 248 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,560 Rumoured to be in the entries and we just need them to run 249 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:23,880 faster. Yeah. 250 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,520 It, it, it, it is fascinating, right. 251 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,080 I mean, I think it was, I think I, I said it when we did our 252 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,520 sort of, was it 2025 and review what was the best world record 253 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,960 of the year? That's the one I picked because 254 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,680 you know, no, no longer. But you know, it's it's one of 255 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,200 those funny ones where that is still going to be the fastest 256 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,040 mark. The mark doesn't get erased 257 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,760 entirely. It just doesn't get ratified as 258 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:49,680 world record. So it's a. 259 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:55,000 It's a very weird in between. The the other funky part is just 260 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,360 sort of like, and the reason why I think World Athletics is 261 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,640 catching heat for this is just the the rollout is this coming 262 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,520 from a report in Runner's World, Spain? 263 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,280 Because presumably this race is coming up again and someone had 264 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,040 to ask. I, I shot an e-mail over to the 265 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,520 Barcelona half marathon organizers in both English and 266 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:22,080 Spanish asking if they had heard anything about this record being 267 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,040 ratified. And instead, I guess like, you 268 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,480 know, this reporter from the runners World Spain ended up 269 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,720 getting a comment from World Athletics that said no, but 270 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,480 World Athletics just didn't put anything out on their site about 271 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:36,840 it. And so you're, you're kind of 272 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:42,160 fumbling the announcement as to and the reasoning as to why it 273 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,880 wasn't. And we're left to just kind of 274 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,360 hear this through a second hand report. 275 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:52,880 So it's the the vague side of the rules I think is what's got 276 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,160 people upset. The fact that there isn't a set 277 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:00,320 distance for this yet you are claiming that there is a aid 278 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,160 from being behind the vehicle. I don't think anyone's denying 279 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,720 that, right? Because we see it in cycling 280 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,240 that being behind a vehicle that will block the wind for you will 281 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,040 help. You're not moving as fast as you 282 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,720 would be on a bike, but still you are getting some benefit 283 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,600 from drafting. And I guess like the slipstream 284 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,160 effect that you get from being behind the car. 285 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,400 It's not necessarily worth, I think, what, 48 seconds? 286 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,760 I think regardless, he was going to break this record. 287 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:40,280 So to totally say no, like we're just not going to count this, I 288 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,160 feel like it, one, this is not Kiplimo's fault. 289 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:52,320 And two, I think it's just I, I, I think that it's just been 290 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:58,480 really, really badly kind of rolled out the people as to why 291 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,840 this isn't going to count. Yeah, I'll be intrigued to know 292 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,240 what is the, the criteria around this. 293 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,640 You know, if it had been a golf buggy, would that have been all 294 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,119 right? If it had been just a motorbike 295 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,680 or you know, what is the, you know, because I, I think if this 296 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,359 has happened, they've got to set out some clearer parameters 297 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,480 because I think you posted the, the actual technical rules and 298 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,079 they're not very specific on this, right? 299 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:25,319 So it, it's got to be, you know, you've got to either say, look, 300 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:29,320 OK, it's got to be a minimum of X number of meters ahead or 301 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:34,240 you've got to say, you know, that it's, it's got to be of a 302 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,680 certain size. So it is a golf cart rather than 303 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,240 a, a car or whatever it is that is, that is closest to the 304 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,600 athletes, right. So I, I do think they've, 305 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,080 they've got to kind of figure out what exactly the rules are 306 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,080 and just make it clear to Rd. races because otherwise this 307 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,440 could happen again, because there's often a car at the front 308 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,520 of these races. Yeah, some people went back and 309 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,040 like watched back the race and or at least like scrolled 310 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,960 through it. And there were times where he 311 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,280 was much closer, looked like more like 4 to 6 meters behind 312 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:12,640 the lead car, which OK, that is so much closer than 10 to 20. 313 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:20,560 And it's just I, I, he was still running at record setting pace. 314 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:29,680 So I'm just so conflicted on it. He's drafting, but it not 315 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,920 necessarily at this speed where it's making all that much of a 316 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,880 difference. I think so again, he I, so I 317 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,160 guess World Athletics is like he's, he broke a rule, but we 318 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,520 still don't know what the rule necessarily exactly is. 319 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:51,880 That's the weird part. And then on top of that, it's, I 320 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,800 guess what people were raising in the comments section was that 321 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,120 there's just selective enforcement here. 322 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:03,240 Like you got all these, you got Ruth's world record. 323 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,560 Still, I think as the the low hanging fruit that everyone's 324 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,560 like, OK, they're like this car in front is enough to invalidate 325 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:15,840 a world record. But some of these signs that 326 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:21,480 point to potential doping are not enough to scrap a world 327 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:28,080 record. So, yeah, I, it looks like it's 328 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,680 an arbitrary stance by World Athletics, but, and it sucks 329 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,960 because it's like that is, is, is a crazy record no matter 330 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,960 what. Like how you, if you look at the 331 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,080 scoring tables and all that stuff, like it was up there as 332 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,720 like one of the the, the, the craziest ones. 333 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,040 Yeah, exactly. It was it was a crazy world 334 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,040 record. And I really hope that actually, 335 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,800 you know, he goes out there and runs at least, you know, if he 336 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,600 can go 6:30, well that that would be obviously ultimate kind 337 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,960 of thing. But I think, you know, running 338 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,680 some 57, I think that's the barrier, right, So. 339 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,920 That would be, that would be cool if he, if he goes out and 340 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,360 do that, does that, who knows whether he can do it again. 341 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,160 And actually we should probably talk about because we haven't 342 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,200 talked about it and we said we were and we never got around to 343 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,840 it was talking about the the marathon fields. 344 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,040 Oh yeah, that's right. I guess last week we had, we had 345 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,080 Kyle on and we, we didn't get around to it. 346 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,920 But yeah, the London Marathon fields are out and so were the 347 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,640 Boston men. We, I think the last time we 348 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,240 talked, it was just the Boston women, Boston men. 349 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,400 It's all the top Americans. So the way it shook out, if you 350 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,240 were top American, you ended up in Boston. 351 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,280 There are literally no top Americans in the London field. 352 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,720 And if you were everyone else, if you were the fastest in the 353 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,560 world, you ended up in London. There's maybe five of the top, 354 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:55,720 you know, I think 12 fastest women who decided to go to Tokyo 355 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,840 instead. Where among them is Bridget 356 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,640 Kosgai, who is switching her allegiance from Kenya to Turkey, 357 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,840 reportedly. And instead, but you will get 358 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,840 Sifan Asan. Take us to safe Paris to pure 359 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,640 chair Helen O'berry going head to head at the London Marathon. 360 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,520 You got the full Olympic podium, you got the full World 361 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,520 Championship podium as well, 'cause Julia Pattern 9 is going 362 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:29,240 to also be in London. Kind of a good homecoming story 363 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,120 there. And then on the men's side, you 364 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:36,560 got Sauwe versus Kiplimo, which was expected, but then you have 365 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,360 the intriguing edition and debut of Yummy Kajelcha and Hagos 366 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,720 Gebruwet. I think like everyone's excited 367 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,520 about you and me, but if you look at Hagos like, he's also 368 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,760 got quite the form of a marathoner as well. 369 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,200 And I think that was just one that wasn't expected, right? 370 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,440 We didn't know he was like planning to debut. 371 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,800 We thought he's still one of the best 5K guys around. 372 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,960 Why? Why is he running? 373 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,120 You know, why has he suddenly gone to the roads? 374 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:02,000 He didn't sort of announced. Two years removed from like 375 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,040 running the second fastest 5K ever in history and in the guy 376 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,240 who's run a fast, a 5K faster than him, Joshua Chip, the guy 377 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,600 is also in the London field. So London's got just an 378 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,360 embarrassment of riches when it comes to the fields for this 379 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:21,080 year's race. You'll be there to gather 380 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,200 interviews with so many of them, I guess now. 381 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:32,040 And yeah, so in a way, we get Kajalchi gets his half marathon 382 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,960 world record back from Kipilimo. But then you'll see them go head 383 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,920 to head in London in a couple weeks. 384 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,840 We keep, we keep talking about Kipilimo running the Barcelona 385 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,680 half. That is what's speculated right 386 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,760 now. There was like a very weird 387 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,000 report that I think pretty nice stumbled upon that it said like 388 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,200 someone from the Uganda Federation said that he was 389 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,560 running. And so until the Barcelona half 390 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,440 announces for sure that he's running it, we haven't seen 391 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,400 anything I think on his Instagram page or anything 392 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,480 confirming it. But that's the the thought that 393 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,920 he's going back there as a tune up. 394 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,880 Kudos to him. I mean, the dude is racing quite 395 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,240 a bit, World cross, Barcelona half, London Marathon, really 396 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,240 good to see so and then I'm sure we'll see a group of people 397 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,480 probably using the NYC half as tune ups for Boston. 398 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,320 So that's what's ahead in the next month and 1/2 or so before 399 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,160 the spring marathon season kicks off. 400 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,800 But All in all, I mean London is going to be amazing and really 401 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,640 fast because of the talent it attracted. 402 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:39,280 And then the Boston Marathon is going to be intriguing because 403 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,720 of the American depth in it. So you get the best of both 404 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,000 worlds? I think so. 405 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,320 Yeah, I mean, I, I think that London Field, I mean, maybe, 406 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:51,480 maybe starting with the men, yes, you've, you've kind of got 407 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,280 Sawayne Caplimo up top, who I don't know if they're going to 408 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,280 go after the world record, but I think they will go after a two O 409 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:04,440 1, you know, try and maybe get close to the the course record, 410 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,720 which was set by Calvin Kipton in back in 2023. 411 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,640 But you know that, yeah, obviously it's always weather 412 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,280 dependent in London, but I think that that is they're the two 413 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,800 best marathoners in the world right now. 414 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,560 And we're also intrigued to see what Olympic champion Tamara 415 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,440 Toller can do. Amos Kipridge. 416 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,960 He's in it first time for the Doha Marathon. 417 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,920 So you know that and then obviously chapter guy, his 418 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,160 continued improvement trajectory, he ran 20452 in 419 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:40,160 Amsterdam, was it or Rotterdam a few months ago. 420 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,440 So he kind of, you know, slowly improving with each each of his 421 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,840 marathons that he's doing, but he's obviously not come out and 422 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,920 suddenly, you know, started off with a 2O3 like like Kaplimo 423 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,280 did. So it's a bit different. 424 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,560 And and we've also got, you know, a really interesting 425 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,320 British field because Emil Caress, I think we talked about 426 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,680 this, you know, paced Alex Yee to overtake him as a second 427 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,560 fastest Brit ever behind May Farah in Valencia. 428 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,040 He obviously wants that Mo Farah record. 429 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,520 He believes he has a fitness to get it and, and and the last 430 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,120 year he's kind of struggled with injuries as he's approached the 431 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,240 big races. So you have to pull out of of 432 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,600 London last year and stuff. So he's back. 433 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,880 But Paddy Diva fresh off his fourth place finish behind the 434 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,800 now provisionally suspended Albert career in New York. 435 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,560 So could be that he gets upgraded to a podium finish in 436 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,560 due course in his debut. That would be pretty cool. 437 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,280 But he's now facing off against Emil Caress. 438 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,000 So and then there's a couple of the other fastest Brits, 439 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,440 Mohammed Mohammed, Phil Sassman, who are two O 7 guys as well. 440 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,600 So there's there's really good British depth here as well. 441 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,080 And so, yeah, it, it promises to be really great race on the 442 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,240 men's side from from all perspectives. 443 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,800 And yeah, I, I, I, you can't call it at this stage. 444 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,320 I guess when we get close to the time, we'll, we'll dive in a bit 445 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,840 more. Amanel Petrus is the other 446 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,880 interesting guy who's probably going for the European record, 447 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,000 which I think is 2O3 something. He ran 2O four O 3 in Valencia, 448 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,560 I think. Is it Bashir Abdi who said it? 449 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,880 Two O 330 something. So he's probably going for that. 450 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,080 And then on the women's side, yes, you know, you've got Asafa 451 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,840 versus Hassan. Jocelyn Jakoska is the fastest 452 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,160 woman of last year. We didn't even mention her. 214 453 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,080 flat in Valencia. Exactly. 454 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,240 Helen, one more second. You could have called yourself a 455 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,240 213 person. I know. 456 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,560 And obviously this isn't the race where you're going to run 457 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,880 213 or anything like that. Well, we wouldn't expect that 458 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,720 because it's a woman only race, so they don't have the male 459 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,080 paces to take them through, which is where all the sort of 460 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,200 faster times have been run. But obviously tickets to Safa 461 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,600 set the women's only world record, which is 21550 at London 462 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,800 last year. Obviously Helena Berry, I think 463 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:05,160 you know, she ran 21741. She's. 464 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,200 Faster than that. But yeah, exactly. 465 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,200 She is faster than that. And so we expect to see her push 466 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,480 to get a fast time. And again, you know, I, I, I 467 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,880 imagine she'll be aiming for, for the low 2 sixteens, maybe 2 468 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,760 fifteens in this race as well. And yeah. 469 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,760 That's the first time that there's ever been four women 470 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:30,080 with 214 or personal best under 215 in the same race. 471 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,080 I mean, yeah, it's going to when you look at your sort of. 472 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,880 And I think I wouldn't put it past like Helen O'bury to have 473 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,280 those kinds of wheels in a race where she could be paced by male 474 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,800 pacemakers and all that kind of stuff that she has someone to 475 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,800 hang on to for longer. Because given her track 476 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,240 credentials, like what was it 4 years ago? 477 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,760 She was right with Hassan on the track. 478 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,800 And so Stefan Hassan is a 213 athlete. 479 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,720 Wouldn't put it past Helen O'birre to have that talent come 480 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,160 the marathon. So this is going to be a good 481 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,400 one. Yeah, absolutely. 482 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,400 And again, great British field on the women's side as well. 483 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,560 I mean Julia Paternine is an honorary Brit as well as well as 484 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,160 being from Uruguay who will claim Merkel. 485 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,440 She grew up here, raced English schools and and what and did 486 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,840 very well, but she comes in with. 487 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,880 A totally field at Josh Kerr we can probably claim. 488 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,240 Josh Kerr in the same way. Indeed, indeed. 489 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,720 And yeah, she's run 2/27/09. So she'll be looking to kind of 490 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,960 reduce that personal best in a, in a sort of quicker race. 491 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,600 And then you've got Alish Mccolgan, who's kind of, you 492 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,080 know, we talked about her running really well in the 10K 493 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,120 in Valencia and looking to be back in the form in 2023 that 494 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,600 that got a really fast half. She did run 1/2 I think last 495 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,680 weekend, but it was apparently very windy. 496 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,640 But she still run just over 67 minutes, so not too bad. 497 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,960 But yeah, she's she's looking to kind of go well, she's targeting 498 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,240 sub 220, but, but let's see how that goes. 499 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,560 Jess Warner judge as well, as well as a couple of other fast 500 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,400 Brits in Charlotte, Perdue, Rose Harvey as well. 501 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,000 So yeah, it's, it's, it's a loaded field from every angle. 502 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,360 And I think it's going to be a really, really great, great day 503 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,280 of racing. So yeah, very excited to to be 504 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,200 around for that. This episode of the Sidious Mag 505 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,400 Podcast is presented by Ollipop. 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That's what he's 16 years old. 539 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,920 That was his first time on an indoor track. 540 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,760 It was a jaw-dropping performance. 541 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,960 In fact, it was kind of really funny because we were recording 542 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:40,760 our pre show live from the Armory for the Melrose Games and 543 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,320 I saw that the result popped up on my phone and I was like, 544 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,720 we've reacted to it in in real time. 545 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:52,200 And it's just kind of nuts just how fast people are running at 546 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,400 1617 years old. So in a way he had announced 547 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,800 himself to the world a year ago with, you know, his breaking 548 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,440 four last year. And then he lowered that PB just 549 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,920 a couple weeks ago, ran 1:45 for the 800. 550 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,160 And so you knew that there would be some some talent here. 551 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,920 And I think I even tweeted in the days leading up to this BU 552 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,840 race that it was intriguing that he was there, that he'd be 553 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,360 making the trip out for it. But he's putting together a very 554 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:28,720 short indoor circuit and this performance just kind of blew 555 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,760 everyone's minds. 348.88 is worth really if we look at the 556 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:41,280 scoring tables from World Athletics 12178 points which is 557 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,640 the equivalent to a 141.65 outdoors. 558 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,600 Did you know that before this? No, I didn't, but I mean I I was 559 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,360 looking at the 1500 split which is 333 .25. 560 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,840 So that is 5 seconds off his 1500 meter PB in an indoor race. 561 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,840 And remember. On top of that, the only person 562 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,600 who's ever broken 330 indoors is Jakob. 563 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,520 Exactly. So there was a moment where I 564 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,800 was like, man, I wish he would have been thrown into the 565 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,360 Wanamaker Mile. But coming into the day, I mean, 566 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,920 what was his PB? It was 350-3354. 567 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,520 Yeah, he was probably. What did he run like a week or 568 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,560 two ago? Oh, I do not. 569 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,200 Yeah, he ran 353 in New Zealand, so. 570 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,440 Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. OK. 571 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,000 So yeah, part of my thinking was as soon as Hoey scratched, I was 572 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,120 like, oh, man. Like, I wish that he would have 573 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,560 been added to the water maker. But also, it looked like Peter 574 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,000 Sisk, the Belgian who was third, I think, in the 2K, didn't get a 575 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,280 spot in at the Miller Rose Games. 576 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,360 And so he went out to be you and he requested for this race to be 577 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,720 348. He ended up running what was it, 578 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,400 350 or something like that, 351 around there. 579 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:07,520 But Sam Ruth, just, he is kind of like the the ultimate 580 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,400 recipient of all of the different things that could make 581 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,400 someone so fast right now, whether it's the Super spikes, 582 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:20,520 the BU track, just bicarb and beet juice, I presume, or 583 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:26,040 somewhere in his repertoire. And on top of that, genetically 584 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,719 gifted because both of his parents are really strong 585 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,679 runners. I think it was Nick Willis had a 586 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,880 tweet about just like when he was coming up. 587 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,280 Let me pull it up just so I don't butcher it. 588 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:49,480 When Nick Willis was coming up in New Zealand, it was his 589 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,800 father. Man, I'm struggling to type with 590 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,639 here we go. As if. 591 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,520 Nope, that wasn't it. Did he delete it? 592 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,680 He had something about how, like, Sam Ruth's dad was like, 593 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,200 the person that he looked up to when he was coming up. 594 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,200 Yeah, the tweet's gone, But it was he had some really high 595 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,520 praise for Sam Ruth's dad. And I thought that that was 596 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,320 really cool. The Sam Ruth breaks the New 597 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,560 Zealand indoor and outdoor mile record which belonged to John 598 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:30,880 Walker legend for his 348 or three 48349 to have lasted this 599 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,200 long that's from an era way before super spikes. 600 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,280 So All in all, like this was he's got this kid has such a 601 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,880 high ceiling because his if he's going to continue to develop. 602 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,560 And I think what we've kind of seen over the years is like you 603 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,720 have a longer runway for improvement as a Miller than I 604 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:54,640 think you do as an 800 meter star when you're having this 605 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,360 much success at A at a young age. 606 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,280 What were some of the other takeaways you had from this one? 607 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,280 Well, I mean, I was just looking at Jacob's progression and 608 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:08,640 actually he's 1500 at the age of 17 was still 339 and he he, he 609 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,240 only. He was also steeple chasing, 610 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,840 remember? He was steeple chasing, to be 611 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,160 fair to him. And he he then obviously bounded 612 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:19,960 331 at age 18. And yeah, I mean, he's he's he's 613 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:27,720 very much a yeah. And his mile mile was 35228 at 614 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,400 18 at the pre at the pre classic, the Bower Mile. 615 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:36,640 And he ran 356 the year before 17 in the Ed Oslo at the dream 616 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,080 aisle. So he's, you know, yeah, he's 617 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,400 he's he's on a trajectory that kind of puts him a little bit 618 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,560 ahead of Jakob at that age. But I think we also, we're 619 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,760 comparing, you know, Cam Myers obviously who I'm sure will, you 620 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,480 know. That's the progression of 621 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,040 things. If you listen to the podcast 622 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,080 that I just put out with, with Cam, like he, I mean, Cam is 623 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,560 just so mature beyond his ears. When you hear him speak, he, I 624 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,680 think his agent has joked that he was like 17 going on 27, you 625 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,960 know, like 2 years ago. But that's sort of what's been 626 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,960 really cool to see over the last couple years is that Jakob set 627 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,680 the benchmark, Cam surpassed it. And now you got Sam Ruth who's 628 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,560 also doing that now. Sam Ruth is really putting it 629 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,120 out there. Like if you're a high school kid 630 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,040 coming up right now seeing these records, you're just like, holy 631 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:35,040 cow, like I'm just trying to break 4:30 as a as a 16 year 632 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,280 old. So, yeah, I mean, you add 633 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,120 further context to Sam Ruth's 348, that being his first ever 634 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,320 indoor race, That's different. He had to travel all the way 635 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,840 from New Zealand for it. I'm sure there was like a little 636 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,800 adjustment period of a couple days to get your sleep right, 637 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,480 you know, get a feel for the track. 638 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,840 And then on top of that, it's February, like it's still very, 639 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,640 very early. The one thing that looking 640 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,400 ahead, I don't know if he's been asked or if he's commented on 641 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,120 it, but now you this really shakes things up, right? 642 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,280 Because don't the Commonwealth Games and the World Junior 643 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,280 Championships overlap? Oh, I, I, yeah, I I hadn't sort 644 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,360 of thought about that, but, but quite possibly. 645 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,160 In which case, yeah, he's got a choice. 646 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,520 Where would you go? I mean, it's hard, right? 647 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,200 You only get he's only going to get a couple of shots at World 648 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,320 Junior championship. I mean, you're so young that 649 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,720 you'll still have another shot at it. 650 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:35,480 But but so I would probably almost say do that. 651 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,240 But the Commonwealth Games is something that is quite special 652 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:40,600 for like the Kiwis and the Aussies are really into the 653 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,960 Commonwealth Games. If you saw like how? 654 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,120 Many more Commonwealth Games will there be right isn't. 655 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,000 That well? Well, India's come to the rescue 656 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,480 in 20-30, so you never know but it but it is it is a pretty cool 657 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,960 event and and it is a unique experience that happens only 658 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,600 once every four years. So why not kind of put yourself 659 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,320 in that? I mean, yeah, it's a tough one 660 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,120 for him in the summer, but I think it's going to be really 661 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,520 interesting actually in a couple weeks time. 662 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,480 We get to see him face off against Cohoka in the. 663 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,800 That's right. So the next race is a mile. 664 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,600 Yeah, at sound running down in North Carolina, their indoor 665 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,640 meet, I think this used to be the JDL fast track, you know, 666 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,080 invite and now it's kind of rebranded with Sound Running and 667 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,600 and ASICS and it's attracted a really good field. 668 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,000 I think Cooper Tier will also be in that one. 669 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:33,280 The men's 3K has Parker Wolf. Oh no, no, no, Ethan Strand. 670 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,000 Yard and the Goose Jordy Beebe yard. 671 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,760 And the Goose, Hobbs, Kessler, that'll be a really good race as 672 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,560 well. And then over on the women's 673 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,040 side, I believe Nikki's also racing. 674 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,120 Nikki Shelby Sinclair, Dorcasy, Roy. 675 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,240 So literally the entire 15 and three, yeah, in the 3K, Dorcas 676 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:59,600 is doesn't have personal best. In the 3K, they've got her 1500 677 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,360 meter personal best listed. Caitlin Toohey. 678 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,760 So yeah, it's yeah. So it should be quite a good 3K 679 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,840 as well. Yeah, call that mean mini mill 680 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,200 rows basically. Yeah. 681 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,440 And then yeah, we've got Cooper Luckenhouse in an 8 hundreds. 682 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,560 Yeah. So that that's going to be quite 683 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,920 exciting in a couple weeks time as well. 684 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,200 The same Ruth take this all the way through World indoors. 685 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:28,000 I don't know. And this is the thing that I 686 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,880 think is only 16. And it's one of those things 687 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,080 where, you know, and I might contradict myself in when we 688 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,240 talk about someone like Rasheem Willis where, you know, she's 689 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:42,680 made that decision to shut her indoor season even though she's 690 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,120 in a purple patch running the American record, etcetera, 691 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,480 etcetera. And it's like if you have these 692 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,000 opportunities to make teams when you're in good form to, to do 693 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,160 these events, do it because you just don't know what the future 694 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,160 holds. And especially in a year like 695 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,000 this year when it's a bit of an off year. 696 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:04,840 But at the same time, when you're 16, there probably is a 697 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,600 little bit of, you know, you do, you do, you should probably be a 698 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,680 little bit more cautious. And it does feel like it would 699 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,120 be really cool to see him at Wild Indoors. 700 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,480 I'd love to see him there, but at the same time, if they decide 701 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,480 not to, I wouldn't, I wouldn't blame them because I think, you 702 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,000 know, he's already done a trip from New Zealand to the US and 703 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,920 he's doing a few races. Is that enough? 704 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,200 Maybe that's maybe that's enough. 705 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,720 Because I think again, you don't really want to burn someone out 706 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:36,840 as well at that age keeping, you know, keep the pressure, keep, 707 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,600 keep, keep the pressure a little bit lighter. 708 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,840 And I'm sure he'll be, you know, doing a lot of stuff in the 709 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,080 summer as well. So yeah, I, I, I, I'm, but I 710 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,000 think I'm probably more kind of with, with Rashim Wilish. 711 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,120 And I can understand she wants to finish her degree and 712 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,040 etcetera, etcetera. But I was about to throw that 713 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,280 out there. Are you willing to throw away 714 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,760 your? Degree at Stanford. 715 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,640 No, no, I mean, I, I wouldn't, yeah, obviously you'd have to 716 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,840 work around that or, or, or whatever you needed to do. 717 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,920 And, and unfortunately I think it sounds like she, she wouldn't 718 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,360 get the credits if she didn't, if she did kind of take that 719 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,640 time off. But otherwise I would have said 720 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,760 like, especially when you're AUS athlete, take the opportunity 721 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,080 when you're in shape to actually make the team because there's a 722 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,640 risk that next year or outdoors or whatever it is, you don't 723 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,800 make the team. And with Wild indoors, there's 724 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,440 often medals up for grabs. I mean, look, OK, this year 725 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,400 looks like the Brits might be sending a strong team and stuff 726 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,440 as well. But you know, the there might be 727 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:37,040 and then obviously sticky Guma's force to be reckoned with it on 728 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,840 the indoor circuit. But you know, there's still 729 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,440 opportunities for medals, which on the world stage, which I 730 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,160 think you should take because the events just so hot right 731 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,480 now. And I think that's that's true 732 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,880 of all the middle distances. I think you should be taking 733 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,320 those opportunities if you're in shape. 734 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,560 You can listen to Rocheen Willis on the Cities Mac podcast. 735 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,080 We put out an interview with her two days ago, and she talks a 736 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,160 little bit about the decision to turn pro, why she's staying at 737 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,280 Stanford, the importance of this degree for her. 738 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,800 But we recorded this before she broke the American record in the 739 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,040 800 and also before she went at Melrose Games, which has LED us 740 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,600 to be pretty vocal about the fact that, like, we think that 741 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,560 she should be running. She should go run world indoors. 742 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,680 But what she has noted is that she literally cannot take any 743 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:29,200 more time off from school. Yeah, it's a Stanford degree. 744 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,960 I don't think you can do that. No, I could. 745 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,600 But I I also wanted to mention the person who obviously beat 746 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,440 her in the race when she ran the American record. 747 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,720 And that's Izzy Buffy of Team GB. 748 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,920 And she, she is someone who probably if you had been asked 749 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,640 to, to give a packing order, she'd probably be G BS 4th or 750 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,000 5th best 800m runner before last weekend. 751 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:55,640 And the I ready is she could win the British champs in the 800 752 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,600 meters. She could beat Keely. 753 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,040 Wouldn't matter. She wouldn't go to Wild Indoors 754 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,680 because the selection policy of British Athletics joyously gives 755 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,840 first refusal to any outdoor medallists. 756 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,640 And obviously GB has got 2GB, has got 2. 757 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,920 So Keely and Georgia have first refusal on those those spots. 2 758 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,160 spots at at Wild indoors at the same time. 759 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,080 It looks like Georgia Hunterbelly is running 1500 this 760 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,440 weekend, so maybe that's the event she is focusing on for 761 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:30,520 Wild Indoors. We don't know, but yes, she is 762 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,880 very interesting because it is a little bit of a she doesn't 763 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,280 know. Obviously she'll run British 764 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,040 champs, but she could win and she still won't know if she's 765 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:43,000 she's she can go so. That's not you guys have what a 766 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,720 mess of a selection system. I mean it, it kind of makes 767 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,440 sense, but we don't normally ever have two medallists in the 768 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,400 same event. Let's be honest, that's a bit of 769 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,680 a Unicorn event to to have. Never imagined you would be this 770 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,920 good. Exactly, exactly. 771 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,000 And yeah, now we've got another, I mean, and it's really great to 772 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,720 see because obviously we've had Phoebe Gill, we've still got you 773 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,480 know who hopefully she comes back from Gemma. 774 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,640 Gemma Riki is still still there. She was obviously racing this 775 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,000 weekend at Melrose in the Citys Mag 1000. 776 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:20,000 And yeah, I mean, we've got an absolute wealth of embarrassment 777 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,280 riches in the 800 and Izzy, Buffy is someone who is such a 778 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,480 good junior. She won junior medals and then 779 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,560 she kind of plateaued a little bit. 780 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,640 She kind of was at that 2 flat range for the last couple of 781 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,080 years and and not really able to consistently run sub two. 782 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,120 But you know, again, she's she's just such a talent and we've 783 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,440 kind of been waiting for this breakthrough. 784 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,920 So it's really good to see see it finally happened. 785 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,080 But yeah, that it could be brutal for for selection in the 786 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,600 summer for for Europeans and, and things like that as well. 787 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,800 I. Want to go back to Sam Ruth. 788 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,240 Wow, we just did a quite a little bit of a tangent there. 789 00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:02,160 But bringing us back, I thought that this would be more of an 790 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,880 argument when I was texting you about this earlier. 791 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,880 And we were also hoping to have Kyle on for this one. 792 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:12,560 But I think they'll, well, the three of us will probably be on 793 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,000 maybe next week. We'll. 794 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,040 So like we said, I think on last week's episode, we're going to 795 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,120 try and make this week in track and field, the three of us. 796 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,600 But yeah, Kyle couldn't make it this week. 797 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,840 So what I wanted was a little bit of a heated argument as to 798 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,720 what is the more impressive performance. 799 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:38,440 Is it Sam Roots 348 in the indoor mile or Cooper Lectern 800 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:44,000 House is 142 in the 800 last summer at the US Championships 801 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,800 and it turns out we were all in agreement that it's Cooper 802 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,720 Lectern House. This is 142 mostly based on the 803 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:55,360 fact that it came at the end of three rounds. 804 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,680 And on top of that, look at who he had to beat. 805 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:05,080 I mean, he beat Josh Hoey, the world indoor champion and now 806 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,560 the world record holder in the indoor 800. 807 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,640 But for argument's sake, I'm going to pledge you with a 808 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,720 couple stats here. And you tell me like, I guess it 809 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,440 won't sway you, right? Because you're in agreement that 810 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,960 it's Cooper. I think the performance, I mean 811 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,080 the performance, you know, you look at the performance in 812 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,600 isolation, regardless of what else they've done, then 813 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,160 absolutely. You know, for the 348 mile is is 814 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:37,320 is obviously amazing, but at the same time it's not it's AB it's 815 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,520 Abu time trial. Exactly. 816 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,400 Yes, that is it's not yeah, it's not in a race race. 817 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,560 I mean, he won the race as well, which was quite impressive 818 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,640 going. But yeah, it's still BU time 819 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,760 trial. All right, so tiny stats. 820 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:56,200 Cooper's age when he ran 142.2716 years old, 227 days. 821 00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:01,520 Sam Bruth's age when he ran this 348 mile, 16 years old, 294 822 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,960 days. So he was a little older. 823 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,240 Doesn't make a difference. The World Athletic scoring 824 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:14,760 table, what does it say? 348.88 mile is equal to it? 825 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,800 I think at first if you don't do the conversion for indoors, it's 826 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,880 a 143 outdoors. If you there is like an 827 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:27,240 adjustment on the calculator for indoor performances and then 828 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:31,760 that makes it worth 12178 points like I said before and that 829 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,920 makes it the equivalent of running 141.65. 830 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,800 The problem is that the indoor kind of with the likes of a BU 831 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,400 kind of location, that indoor bell curve is a bit broken. 832 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,720 Yeah. I think that the world needs to 833 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,280 totally, I think, make some adjustments to the indoor 834 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,320 scoring table because like BU has just kind of. 835 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,560 Really. And I think we also had the 800 836 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,440 kind of question mark that we were talking about in my brief 837 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,400 cameo on the, on the live live show around the change in the, 838 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,600 in the break point, which I, I, I, I still think, and I, I think 839 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,280 it's being evidenced by another 143 that was run by Elliot 840 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,360 Crestan a couple of days ago that, you know, that it was the 841 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,080 fastest, you know, top four in an indoor 800 ever or something 842 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,320 stupid like that. So, yeah, it was it, it feels 843 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,480 like the indoor 8 hundreds getting, getting way quicker 844 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,400 than than it was before. And it, it can't just be that 845 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,200 everyone suddenly running faster again. 846 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,920 It's not it, it has to be something which has changed. 847 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,760 And that's the one thing that has really changed. 848 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,760 Historical Rankings, Cooper Leckenhouse took that U18 800 849 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,000 from #330 on the all time list all the way now to number 56 on 850 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,240 the all time list. Sam Ruth Smile, he moved EU 18 851 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,360 mile. We'll also quick note, U18 mile 852 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,520 record keeping not really a thing. 853 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,240 I had to dig into Wikipedia. And even that wasn't being 854 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,360 maintained all that well because on the World Athletic site that 855 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,800 really there wasn't an option to sort U18 record for the for the 856 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,560 mile. So I think some of these things 857 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,160 are correct. It used to be the 1700 and 10th 858 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,080 fastest performance in the mile all time list and now it's up to 859 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:22,400 #112 so huge, huge jump there. The percentage off of the world 860 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:28,280 record, Cooper is 1.35% slower than the world record. 861 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,160 Sam Ruth is 2.58 slower, percent slower than the world record. 862 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,960 So they're, they're pretty close, at least if you go indoor 863 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,760 world record, Sam Ruth is 1.6% slower. 864 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,200 So we're we're throwing a lot of numbers. 865 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,080 Out here if people if he runs 346 versus coal and that that 866 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,280 that sound invite in a couple of weeks, then I'll say yeah, fine. 867 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,880 OK, he's he's got you there. But especially if he beats Cole. 868 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,240 I think other quick context is that the person who used to hold 869 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:07,400 the U-18800 record was MO Aman and he went on to run faster and 870 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,680 become I think world champion right to 2013. 871 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:18,840 And the U18 mile record holder I don't think ever ran faster 872 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,480 again. It was Isaac Kiparono who ran 873 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,600 354 from Kenya at 17 years old, never ran faster ever again. 874 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:34,400 So, yeah, I mean, we can try and take rough estimates at 875 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,800 forecasting whether we believe Sam is going to run a PB ever 876 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,040 again. I do, I do. 877 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,040 It could happen as soon as two weeks from now. 878 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,360 Right now, I think the biggest thing is to just continue to get 879 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,400 excited about just like how quick and celebrate how quick 880 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,880 these teenagers are running. But it's remarkable from, you 881 00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:00,000 know, Quincy Wilson to Sam Ruth Cooper liking a house. 882 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,280 It's it's insane. And Cooper, I mean Cooper, like 883 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,520 you just listen to him talk, like the way he came on the 884 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,920 show, you're the live show after the meet. 885 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,200 And, you know, like you were joking around. 886 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,360 He was like, oh, Sam makes me feel feel old at 17. 887 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,840 It was just brilliant. Like, you know, he's he, he's 888 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,000 got really great personality as well. 889 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,840 And yeah, it's it's really good to see, you know, these athletes 890 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,760 kind of come through like that. I and and you know, you've got 891 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,440 to hope that they do continue to improve, continue to stay at a 892 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,360 level it isn't just a one off flaky performance. 893 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,400 But I think, you know, they they are showing that they are doing 894 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,680 it time and again. And obviously, although keeper 895 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,600 hasn't kind of gotten close to 142 again yet, but yeah, I mean, 896 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,360 he's he's only just getting started with this season. 897 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,240 So. So we'll have to see what that 898 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,160 brings. All right, let's move on to our 899 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:54,920 next story, which is Olympic bronze medalist in the pole 900 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,320 vault, Alicia Newman has been provisionally suspended by the 901 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,040 Athletics Integrity Unit for whereabouts failures. 902 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,600 This came out yesterday. And you know, the thing about 903 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,760 the provisional suspension and the announcement by the AIU is 904 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,280 that it that's all the information you get right now 905 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,200 until that there's an actual decision that comes down on the 906 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,520 length of the suspension and the details as to when the tests 907 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,360 were missed. So what this LED a lot of people 908 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,920 to speculate was that, oh, I mean, she was already stepping 909 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,600 away from elite or professional track and field. 910 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,320 She hasn't competed since last May at the Robot Diamond League. 911 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,880 And sometimes you have cases like this where an athlete is 912 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,360 drifting towards retirement and they don't necessarily fill out 913 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,920 all the paperwork or formally exit the testing pool. 914 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,440 And then they end up getting dinged for whereabouts, failures 915 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,680 or whatever at the end of their career when they're already 916 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,200 technically retired. So that when, when you don't 917 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,480 have all the details from the decision, that's where some 918 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,880 people landed, right? There's just softened 919 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,760 speculation that this wasn't necessarily cheating, just being 920 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,440 negligent at the end of your transit during your transition 921 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:23,960 from competitive to retired. However, she did just post an 922 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,200 Instagram video a couple like an hour or two ago and she in the 923 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,160 video says that she's never taken any banned substance or 924 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:39,800 steroids and that she has been drug tested since she was 16 925 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,480 years old. Never missed three tests in a 926 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,960 calendar year and then kind of messed up on this and that she 927 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,840 is not done on the track. She's 31 years old, has no plans 928 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,080 of retiring. She didn't compete last year at 929 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,080 the World Championships, kind of competed in the early season. 930 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,360 Diamond League shut down her season and then maybe took a 931 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,000 took a break. She had an Instagram post I 932 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,680 think from maybe a couple weeks ago that said like cooking 933 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,200 something up. Cooking up in the lab didn't age 934 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,360 well after the news from the AIU. 935 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:20,840 But yeah, I think sucks when this happens to a high profile 936 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,720 name. The lack of details from the AIU 937 00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:26,960 at this point just kind of fuels speculation. 938 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:34,240 And yeah, I mean, whereabouts are just as important as passing 939 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,400 a PIS test or a blood test at this point. 940 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,960 You just can't get careless with that kind of stuff. 941 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,120 And this was an instance where, you know, high profile athlete 942 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,920 did and is going to have to face the consequences where it feels 943 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,440 like this is what a two year suspension is typically what 944 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,640 we're abouts. Yes, it's two years. 945 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,440 So and, and Alicia Newman is obviously the second Olympic 946 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,840 medalist, you know, after Fred Curley was the was the first 947 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,560 Olympic medalist to get provisionally suspended and then 948 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,160 he was obviously fully suspended for for whereabouts failures. 949 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,240 And you came in the second one. And it's a little unfortunate if 950 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:16,520 you're Canada, Canadian Olympic Committee literally the day 951 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,480 before the Winter Olympics begin and you get all these headlines. 952 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,880 So there's a lot more news about this than perhaps if it had 953 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,000 happened at any other time. And you always do find that you 954 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,360 get these doping announcements on the eve of a World 955 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,120 Championships or an Olympics or, or something like that. 956 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,280 And and I think it is that kind of, and I wonder, I mean, 957 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,600 obviously this is track and field. 958 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,120 It's not even in the Winter Olympics. 959 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:44,080 But at the same time, it's very, you know, it, it's kind of that, 960 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,360 that thing of do the, the doping agencies, whether it be the ARU 961 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,400 or, or WADA, whoever kind of want to announce a few big 962 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,880 doping busts just before the Olympics just to deter Olympic 963 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,600 athletes from doping during the Olympics. 964 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,840 And I, I, I wonder whether that is a motivation, right? 965 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,360 Because they do always make these announcements just before. 966 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,000 Did you hear what the biggest scandal is right now in doping 967 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,240 wise at the Winter Olympics? Not. 968 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,440 Not this time around, no. So this is a headline from The 969 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,120 Guardian and I immediately sent it to the off the rails folks 970 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,080 because this is going to be a great topic of discussion for 971 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,880 them. But penis injection claims in 972 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,080 Winter Olympics ski jumping being investigated by WADA. 973 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,440 Sean Angle from the Guardian is in Milan right now reporting on 974 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:44,680 this and basically what it concerns is the issues being 975 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:49,280 dubbed Penis Gate. Last year 2 of Norway's Olympic 976 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,920 medalists were given three months suspensions after the 977 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,360 team was found to have secretly adjusted the seams of their 978 00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,400 suits around the crotch area for the World Ski Championships and 979 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,800 the coaches were also banned. Now there are reports that the 980 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,280 jumpers have switched to other methods where they inject acid 981 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,680 into their penises or putting clay in their underwear to make 982 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,160 their measurements temporarily bigger and therefore their suits 983 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:25,080 looser for when they compete. And there was an episode of 984 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,680 Pablo Torre Finds out that came out, I believe, last week where 985 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,760 New York Times writer Matthew Futterman was talking about the 986 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,680 scandal. So if people want to check that 987 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,400 out for further context, but this is what some what's 988 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,320 currently on Wada's mind at the Winter Olympics. 989 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,880 And my favorite line of this article by Shawn Angle is where 990 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:48,960 was it? It was. 991 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,920 These extraordinary rumors are yet to have been matched with 992 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,080 any hard proof. Although under WADA rules, a 993 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,320 method that endangers the health of an athlete and goes against 994 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,680 the spirit of the sport would be banned. 995 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:05,080 But I know at writing it he had fun including hard proof in that 996 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,480 in that sentence. I'm sure he did. 997 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,280 That's that's the current scandal gripping Milano Cortina. 998 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,480 Interesting transition from for Sean Ingle from interviewing 999 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,960 Jakob and doing a fantastic profile on him to to reporting 1000 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,880 on penis injections. But quite the versatility. 1001 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:29,840 The other doping story in track and field involves this is this 1002 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,720 is, well, it was provisionally announced a little while ago, 1003 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,720 and it's Bernard Kibet Koich, not a household name, right? 1004 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,960 That like most people would know he's not. 1005 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,360 But he did finish fifth in the 10K at the World Championships 1006 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:52,800 last summer and he just got popped. 2024 and 2023. 20240 The 1007 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,560 Paris Olympics. That's Paris Olympics and 1008 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,280 Budapest as well. Yeah, but he'll keep the 1009 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:03,280 Budapest result. This the AIU came down with a 1010 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:08,920 four year ban for. Koich, Quebec. 1011 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,600 Koich I guess is what he goes for. 1012 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,080 He wears Quebec on the bib. But then when I looked him up on 1013 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,120 where the athletics is, koich is how I found him. 1014 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,640 But he was disqualified and banned up until June 2029, four 1015 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,720 years after the AIU found abnormalities in his athlete 1016 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,520 biological passport. Basically, the crux of their 1017 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,200 look into him centered on some blood values from late June to 1018 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,440 early July 2024. This is in the lead up to the 1019 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,480 Paris Olympics and the test showed some high hemoglobin, 1020 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,800 some suppressed reticulocytes, and some very high off scores. 1021 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,440 So these are all signs that someone may be blood doping. 1022 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,880 This is where you don't necessarily get a positive test 1023 01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,240 for EPO or whatever it is, but there are signs that something 1024 01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,680 may be up and a prohibited substance or method was being 1025 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,120 used. So then Koich argues that the 1026 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,920 abnormalities were caused by a COVID infection that was shot 1027 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,440 down because there was no PCR test or medical records that 1028 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,760 confirmed that he had COVID and oral iron supplementation. 1029 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,840 That was shot down because oral iron doesn't cause reticular 1030 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,160 side suppression or rapid hemoglobin spikes. 1031 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,480 And he also claimed that it was due to altitude training. 1032 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,760 Now, that doesn't work because when your biological passport is 1033 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,920 established as a Kenyan athlete, you live at altitude, you train 1034 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,680 at altitude, and so therefore your baseline starts at 1035 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,160 altitude. And so that got shot down. 1036 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:52,400 And then he did raise kind of the case with the Nora Giroudo 1037 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,360 case where she managed to get off for claiming that COVID-19 1038 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:02,920 was a confounding factor, and her ABP passport case from a 1039 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,520 couple years ago. But then that didn't really work 1040 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:11,840 in his favor this time around. So his Paris Olympic performance 1041 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,520 gets wiped off the board. And I think this is the first 1042 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:21,400 track performance from the Paris Olympics to get wiped off due to 1043 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,880 a doping violation. Again, we mentioned medalists 1044 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,080 like Fred Curley and Alicia Newman have been suspended for 1045 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,800 whereabouts, but then none of that has to do with their lead 1046 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,800 up to the Paris Olympics. So now Yomi Kagelcha, who 1047 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:40,120 finished 6th in that race, moves into 5th and everyone else 1048 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,920 behind him also moves up a spot. Doesn't affect the podium, 1049 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,200 Doesn't affect 4th place finisher MO MO Ahmed. 1050 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:52,680 But yeah, now we have our first case of, you know, a doping 1051 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,120 suspension. You know, for some, you know who 1052 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,960 I feel for in this case it's Edwin Kergot 'cause he was, I 1053 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:05,760 believe 4th at the trial the the Kenyan trials in 2024 when the 1054 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,680 race was being held at the Pre Classic. 1055 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:12,040 And he did, he made a big move, I think late into the race and 1056 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,760 then just ends up in that unlucky 4th spot. 1057 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,640 And yeah, he he could have been at the Paris Olympics. 1058 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,880 And we saw, I guess, like how well he did last year in Tokyo 1059 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,720 when he did get that up opportunity. 1060 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:32,600 So just a, you know, very unfortunate situation kind of 1061 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,600 puts a tiny damper on how spectacular of a race that was 1062 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,960 at the Paris Games. That was maybe the greatest 10K 1063 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:48,000 race ever in history with just how many guys ran so fast. 1064 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,560 Like sure, there are faster, you know, performances like like the 1065 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,600 check the guy world record and stuff. 1066 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,960 But this was, I mean, the Olympic record fell podium was 1067 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,080 totally wild. Grant Fisher ends up with 1068 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,840 bronze. So from an American perspective, 1069 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:09,040 that also was thrilling. And yeah, I mean, what did you 1070 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,160 make of, did you read through the whole, it was like a 60 page 1071 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,160 decision? I must admit I haven't haven't 1072 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,440 had the chance to read, read the decision. 1073 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:22,080 But yeah, I mean, yeah, you have to feel for, for Edwin Kogan in 1074 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,960 particular, who was potentially denied the spot at the Olympics. 1075 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,680 And yeah, the 5th placer in in World Championships in Olympics 1076 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,680 is, is, is a reasonably big deal. 1077 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,960 And yeah, it's good that people are being caught and continue to 1078 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,440 be caught. But, you know, we just don't 1079 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,280 know how much more. You know, people are being 1080 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,160 caught. People aren't being caught, 1081 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:46,320 right? It just it. 1082 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,040 And that's the thing, every time this happens, you used to always 1083 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,440 think, right, are there more people out there who haven't 1084 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,280 been caught? And I think if they can make 1085 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,920 this athlete biological passport stick, I think it is a good 1086 01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,760 tool. But obviously when the Nora 1087 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,480 Juruto case happened, we were worried that it would be quite 1088 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,520 easy for people to to appeal because it you aren't actually 1089 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,880 testing positive for any particular substance. 1090 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,960 And therefore, you know legally that that there are some 1091 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,000 challenges that people could could challenge those sorts of 1092 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,200 decisions. And here at least, it looks like 1093 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,920 they have managed to rebuff all his different attempts to to 1094 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,600 push back on on this. Some of the most interesting 1095 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,120 parts of the decision are not necessarily just sort of like 1096 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,680 the defence that was raised by Quebec. 1097 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:37,880 It was, I think, again, sort of like some details being withheld 1098 01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,720 here. Same thing as the Ruth Chef and 1099 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,920 Gettich case where they're like, you know, there's potentially 1100 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,560 more to come from what they got from, you know, the phone 1101 01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,000 records and stuff. But in this report, and this is 1102 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,040 the first time I've seen one in a while, there were redacted 1103 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:58,840 names in the decision file where his coach, that name was 1104 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,440 redacted and then his wife's name was redacted. 1105 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,560 I don't know if she's an active athlete, but she did, I guess, 1106 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,400 testify on his behalf and then so did this coach. 1107 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,920 But then I guess someone online was able to track down who is 1108 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,480 coach maybe. And this is because there's a 1109 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:26,680 TikTok video from I believe this is 2024 and it's Bernard Quebec 1110 01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,760 Kovich. It's the guy who got suspended 1111 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,440 today with coach Gabriel Kiptenui. 1112 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:37,600 And this isn't, you know, as recognizable of the name in the 1113 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:43,920 coaching circles, but what is notable is that he did coach 1114 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,920 Beatrice Chibet for a little bit. 1115 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,360 Now, Beatrice Chibet, I believe, is coached by her husband, 1116 01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,640 Peter. BBII is how it's spelled. 1117 01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:01,120 But for a short period of time, Gabriel Kiptenui was coaching 1118 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:05,200 her and there are videos of her on this TikTok page as well 1119 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,800 training. And there's a video of this guy 1120 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,480 training. And this is around the same time 1121 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:15,080 that this the the dates in this decision are taking place. 1122 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:21,000 So my guess is that's the name that was being blacked out, but 1123 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:25,720 I don't know if with 100% certainty, but just found that 1124 01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,120 as to be maybe the most interesting part of what came 1125 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:33,400 out from the AIU. And I'm curious why those names 1126 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,600 were blacked out. But yeah, so and then, of 1127 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,520 course, people picked up on the fact that he's got an orange 1128 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:43,520 singlet on, which can only signal that his agent was the 1129 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:48,480 one and only Federico Rosa. At least in 2024. 1130 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,760 That was the case when he ran at the Kenyan trials and it 1131 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:58,440 competed there. I believe he was under Rosa 1132 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,560 management. So people were quick to, you 1133 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:07,480 know, point that out as well. So that is our doping roundup 1134 01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,520 for the week. Hopefully, we don't have to do 1135 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,640 this. There's all that much. 1136 01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:16,000 That's the unfortunate part. However, I will note we did 1137 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,760 unveil a new graphic template on the city of Spag Instagram for 1138 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,120 doping suspensions. And that is because we, you 1139 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:29,240 know, listen to our audience. And for quite some time, people 1140 01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,680 have gotten alarmed when there'd be breaking news. 1141 01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,000 And then it's an image of an athlete. 1142 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,240 They always think, oh, no, what happened? 1143 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:43,000 And so now if you see the big pink text, it will say banned, 1144 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,439 It'll say suspended. It'll say whatever. 1145 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,399 I think we put banned for four years or something like that for 1146 01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:51,040 this one. If it's a provisional 1147 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:55,040 suspension, it'll say suspended. If it's, you know, a decision on 1148 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,760 how long the ban is, you'll get the years in there. 1149 01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,000 But hopefully we're making that distinction a little bit more so 1150 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,720 that people don't get spooked on breaking news and then an image 1151 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:10,080 of their favorite athlete. So just something new that 1152 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,800 we're, you know, kind of rolling out right now. 1153 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,920 All right, next topic that we want to discuss and this kind of 1154 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,080 takes us into just sort of like what to look forward to this 1155 01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,439 weekend is Femka Bowl's 800 meter debut. 1156 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:27,240 It's happening in Mets, France, I believe is where it is. 1157 01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,880 And that's not the only meet that's taking place. 1158 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:37,080 There's World Athletics indoor Tour meet in Madrid also that 1159 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,279 that one is going to be on Thursday. 1160 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,880 So by the time you're listening to this, the meet may have 1161 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,240 already happened or is about to happen. 1162 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:49,520 So that one's got Nadia Batacledi and a 1500 Mohamed 1163 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,680 Attatoui racing in front of home crowd. 1164 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:56,040 So that one should be fun. But Femko Bowl goes on Super 1165 01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:02,280 Bowl Sunday in France. What are your sort of general 1166 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:07,120 thoughts as to what to expect because this is people kind of 1167 01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:10,800 speculating on a wide range here as to what she's going to run? 1168 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,800 Yeah. I mean, I think the starting 1169 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,960 point is, you know, when when this was all announced, they 1170 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:21,800 were like, she's not going to rush into this and she's going 1171 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,760 to only run when she's ready. So there was even kind of talk 1172 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,000 of her not running an 800 in the indoor season. 1173 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,280 And clearly she's running on fairly early in the indoor 1174 01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:35,320 season, which suggests she's probably doing quite well 1175 01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,320 because, you know, even though they're doing it a more low key 1176 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,960 meat and and deliberately so, because I think this is a meat 1177 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,160 that that her training group and her coach, they like and they 1178 01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,360 they kind of go to quite regularly, but it's not, you 1179 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,400 know, one of the high profile, well, little gold meats. 1180 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,600 So I think, you know, it suggests she's fit. 1181 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,960 It suggests because it's not like people weren't going to 1182 01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,840 find out about it. It's not like people are not 1183 01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,640 going to be watching for the time. 1184 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,560 So when you put yourself out there to do this, the way they 1185 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,600 announced it and you make your debut, I think people are 1186 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,600 expecting. So I'm, I'm probably going to 1187 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,400 say and, and this is the thing like I think our time 1188 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,280 expectations have been reset a little bit by also the last 1189 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,800 couple of weeks. Yeah, exactly. 1190 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,160 So I, I, I definitely think a sub 2 is on the cards in her 1191 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:32,400 first, first indoor 800. I don't know what more than 1192 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,200 that, but I'm I'm definitely going a 159. 1193 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,440 I think so. I I'm in agreement with you. 1194 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:47,160 I think this falls somewhere between 159 and 2 flat sub 158 1195 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:52,080 is a crazy high expectation to point Yeah for your first ever. 1196 01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,960 Yeah, we've we found this footage of it was buried on 1197 01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,320 YouTube that was uploaded 3 months ago. 1198 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:07,200 So for the timeline's sake, this foray into the 800 started four 1199 01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:08,880 months ago. It's only been four months of 1200 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,440 her full on I guess since she announced it. 800 meter 1201 01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:16,880 training, I'm sure maybe you know, post Tokyo break you can 1202 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,200 extend that a little bit more, but give her at least 4 good 1203 01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:24,320 months of of 800 meter training. She wouldn't debut if she wasn't 1204 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,680 ready, right? And so there's that side of 1205 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,120 things. I think that this is indoor, 1206 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,840 this is an indoor 800 debut. So maybe you can adjust your 1207 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,520 expectations from that. It wouldn't be as fast as if her 1208 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,360 first go around, come outdoors. It's February. 1209 01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,600 They always know how to peak later on in the year. 1210 01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,520 So that makes me lean more towards it'll be fall somewhere 1211 01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:57,080 between 1:59 and 2:00 flat. And I think the biggest thing to 1212 01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:01,920 watch for in this one will be just sort of how she looks when 1213 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:08,320 it comes to positioning and whether she either fades in the 1214 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,280 final lap or she's closing really hard. 1215 01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,920 Those could be two big signs as to like the type of 800m runner 1216 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,880 that she might be. But then again, it's the first 1217 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,040 go around. It's just you might as well just 1218 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,480 test test anything. Yeah, I mean, it'll be 1219 01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:27,520 interesting because she has, you know, she she is. 1220 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,400 Remember, it's easy to forget she's the world in record holder 1221 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,680 in the indoor 400 meters. She's run 49. 1222 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,880 Watt, like, I mean, we've done footage of her running a like 1223 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:40,240 pacing the 1st 400 of an 860 flat and she looked phenomenal. 1224 01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,840 She looked like a natural, like she could have been there. 1225 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,600 But it's like you have to remind yourself, it's like anyone who's 1226 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,640 run 49 is going to look so comfortable running 60 flat. 1227 01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,600 Exactly. And and I think this is the 1228 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,000 other thing right. The bit that's familiar to her 1229 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,320 is she is a very practiced indoor 400 runner like and now 1230 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,360 in fact, the break point and everything is actually identical 1231 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,920 to the indoor 400, which makes it even more comfortable than if 1232 01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,400 you have to sort of, you know, cut in after the first bend and 1233 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,480 jockey for position a bit more. And that might have been a bit 1234 01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:09,880 more challenging for a tactically. 1235 01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,840 I think this is this is going to be a huge advantage because I 1236 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,560 think it's going to be all reasonably spaced out. 1237 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,200 She'll be able to find a spot on the rail. 1238 01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,600 She may, she may go straight to the front, but hopefully 1239 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,920 there'll be a pacer that she can sit behind at the very least. 1240 01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,800 And, and that will at least slow her down because obviously the 1241 01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,960 the nervousness you have if you got a, if you got a 400m runner 1242 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,200 going, going out in an 800 is that they go out way too fast. 1243 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,520 So, yeah, I think, I think if she, if she has that plan in 1244 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:43,640 mind, and I think her coach is very, very good at making a plan 1245 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,640 and she's very good at executing those plans. 1246 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,760 You know, we saw they're sort of very conscious ways of changing 1247 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,200 what she did in the 400 hurdles that they've talked about. 1248 01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:57,440 So I, I think she is very, you know, aware as an athlete. 1249 01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,480 So, but it's still her first 800. 1250 01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:02,520 So there'll probably be a lot of stuff she doesn't expect. 1251 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,040 And having to run an extra 2 laps than she she normally does 1252 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:10,320 is probably not going to be fun. So yeah, it will definitely be 1253 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,160 be fascinating to see. You know, obviously the biggest 1254 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,560 risk is she overcooks it on the first go around or she's way too 1255 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,480 conservative. I, I, there's always, always you 1256 01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,080 could, you could go either way, right? 1257 01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,240 But. Yeah, if she wins this thing in 1258 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,240 202 with a crazy clothes, does it tell you anything? 1259 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,080 No, it doesn't, right, Because then you then, you know, there's 1260 01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,120 so much more in the tank and we'd have to wait for a second 1261 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,800 one because then she'd and and it might be that that's their 1262 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,760 plan, right? Maybe they go out in 62 or 1263 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,840 something and. She's jogging. 1264 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,520 Yeah, exactly. She's just, she's just jogging 1265 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:47,720 and and the idea is purely to experience the last two laps in 1266 01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:52,720 a race situation and then and see how it feels in A202 before 1267 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,240 trying to go for something that's three or four seconds 1268 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:59,640 faster. Yeah, if she runs sub 158 in her 1269 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,760 first go around and then I think that's when sort of like the 1270 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,680 buzz will get loud around. Oh, OK. 1271 01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:06,520 Watch for her at European. Champs What? 1272 01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:12,040 Slightly what slightly what slightly Irritating 'cause I had 1273 01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,040 my rant a couple of weeks ago when I was last on the pod. 1274 01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,880 Keely is running the 800 and Levan Famco is running the 600. 1275 01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,040 Yeah, go off about this like I know you. 1276 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,920 You gave, we gave Boston like a, like a hard time. 1277 01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,680 Then you and Bill Rose, I gave all the beats a hard time. 1278 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,000 I mean, obviously the 2K's had that to be the best race of the 1279 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,120 meet in in Boston in the end. But no, I mean, I, I think it's 1280 01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,440 like they've talked about running against each other and 1281 01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:39,000 maybe look fine, it's not going to be their 2nd 800. 1282 01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,200 And, and at the European level, maybe we'll get a great European 1283 01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:46,640 Championship final or something. But yeah, I mean, you always 1284 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,000 want to see the best, run the best. 1285 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:52,320 And like seeing her do a 600 metre time trial is not really 1286 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,480 anything we're interested in particularly. 1287 01:16:55,560 --> 01:17:00,640 So I, I, I, I don't, I mean, maybe it's a good step in her 1288 01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,160 training, but I, I don't see the point of it. 1289 01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,120 I'd rather see her in, in the actual 800. 1290 01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,680 But and with Keely, with Keely to pace her out, maybe that's 1291 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,840 when she doesn't run at 1:00 because Keely's going to be 1292 01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,080 going for the world record at that meet. 1293 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,280 So, and maybe she didn't want to be in the world record race in 1294 01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:21,480 like a second 800. But yeah, but you know, it would 1295 01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:23,800 be interesting to see because that would be a race where 1296 01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:27,640 people run fast behind Keely. That is, that is just a given, 1297 01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,080 right? It was only when she came on the 1298 01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,320 circuit last year that people started running 150 sixes. 1299 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,000 Yeah, that meat really has a good preservation of egos, 1300 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,280 right? Like if if it's catering to the 1301 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,200 stars, right? Femka goes in the 600, Keely 1302 01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,000 goes in the 800. Isn't Georgia Hunter Bell 1303 01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,160 running up 1500 at that meet? Probably, yeah. 1304 01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,600 So they've done a good job of kind of giving every star their 1305 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,720 their moment there. The one thing I, I kind of am 1306 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,960 interested in that 600 because her coach, Laurent Muehle, told 1307 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,760 me back in October when, you know, they were announcing this 1308 01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:06,480 move to the 800, I'd ask, like, what's the fastest or farthest 1309 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:08,160 time trial you guys have done in practice? 1310 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,760 And he said 600. And I was like, what did you 1311 01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,520 run? And he says 123. 1312 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,400 And I was like, isn't that Keely's world record? 1313 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,000 And he goes, yeah, and he didn't give me the decimal point. 1314 01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,640 But maybe there's an off chance that Femco went faster in 1315 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:28,480 practice one day, and now she'll try and get that 600 world 1316 01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:30,640 record. So for leaving the score really 1317 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,640 high on the total, you know, scoring tables as a meet, 1318 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,600 because you'll get a 600 world record, you'll get an 800 world 1319 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:43,080 record hope maybe and then some other fast performances as well. 1320 01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,720 So that's what's what's ahead in two weeks, is it? 1321 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,680 Levans on the 22nd of Feb, so that's quite a way away. 1322 01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:55,080 There's British champs the same in in the 14th and 15th of Feb 1323 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,000 for that. So actually that will be 1324 01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,320 happening 1st and I suppose the good thing is it doesn't clash 1325 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,400 with USA this time. So hopefully we ought to get you 1326 01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,080 a bit more coverage of that as well because actually a lot of 1327 01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,640 the top British stars are running, including the likes of 1328 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,160 Josh Kerr, Keely George, Hunter Bell. 1329 01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,200 So that promises to be pretty, pretty exciting. 1330 01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:18,800 Yeah, I guess like over the next, you know, two weeks, yeah, 1331 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,840 we've got the BU Valentine meet, which is going to be very fast 1332 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,880 next weekend, the 13th and 14th and then the weekend after is 1333 01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,920 leave in. There's the sound running is 1334 01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,280 next weekend is. I mean, if you said that's when 1335 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,000 British Champs is, then you got British Champs, BU Sound 1336 01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:41,680 running, Husky Classic out in Seattle, Don Kirby Elite invite. 1337 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,560 We'll get some Sprint times out in New Mexico. 1338 01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:50,480 So once again, the call for, you know, red zone type of being 1339 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:52,120 able to cut away to all these different meets. 1340 01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,880 That's the kind of weekend that we needed the most. 1341 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:59,160 But yeah, indoor season in full, full swing. 1342 01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:04,400 Is there anything else that we need to note for this upcoming 1343 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,200 weekend? I think that's about it. 1344 01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,040 Right, Yeah, there's a yeah. I think there's another meet in 1345 01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,480 Carlsborough where I think the likes of George Hunter Bell are 1346 01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:13,720 running as well. That's a pretty good meet. 1347 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,480 So I think the European indoor season is in full swing. 1348 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,480 Obviously Winter Olympics off to a start. 1349 01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:23,040 So if you want to watch some some Olympic sport, then 1350 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,000 there'll be plenty of sport to watch this weekend along with 1351 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,560 I'm sure many of the audience of this podcast we watching the 1352 01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,120 Super Bowl so. You got a lot of love for. 1353 01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,800 You know how passionate you are about skating I. 1354 01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:40,880 Mean I yeah, no, I'm glad. And actually what I was going to 1355 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,520 say to you, Chris. So, you know, you listen to 1356 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,360 science and sport podcast, you often talk about that. 1357 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,040 So the guy who was on their podcast this week is the 1358 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,880 podcaster who's podcast me up I went to in New York when I was 1359 01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,760 there last week. Who is the chief? 1360 01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,520 He calls himself the chief skate nerd. 1361 01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,840 He's basically EU of figure skating, your equivalent. 1362 01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,680 He's also a New Yorker. So yeah, there you go. 1363 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,560 Maybe New York is is the hub for Olympic sports podcasters. 1364 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:10,600 But wait, you went to a live podcast while you were here? 1365 01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,440 Yeah, I went to a podcast, they had a meet up for that podcast. 1366 01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:16,720 But yes, it was, yeah. You went to figure skating 1367 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,520 podcast meet up. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1368 01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,040 So that was that was pretty interesting. 1369 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,760 So and I actually found a Sidious Mag, someone who 1370 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,640 subscribed to the Sidious Mag podcast, never listened to an 1371 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,760 episode. And now he's going to hopefully 1372 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,800 listen to to an episode having really because yes, you asked 1373 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,640 the question about running in the figure skating Q&A. 1374 01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:40,480 So there we go. Now it's been really fun for 1375 01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:45,600 people to learn the Preet lore. And I think now that we're doing 1376 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,320 these episodes also on the Sidious Mag YouTube channel, I 1377 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,880 think one of the comments was is like, how did Preet go from 1378 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,440 being an accountant to jumping onto the Sidious Mag podcast? 1379 01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:59,760 And I was like, he showed up for a free breakfast in Budapest one 1380 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,720 day and then ended up now contributing. 1381 01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,400 This is This is why you don't do free breakfast anymore, right 1382 01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:10,000 Chris? No, I think we need more. 1383 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,600 For more of them have to. Think Yeah, anyway. 1384 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,840 All right, that does it for this week in track and field. 1385 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,880 Thanks, everyone for listening. We will see you guys again next 1386 01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:21,160 week. 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