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All right, it is Monday, 

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February 23rd. 
I've survived this winter storm 

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in New York City. 
I'm Chris Chavez. 

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I'm pretty much Jeff here. 
And this week in track and 

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field, we got just a ton of 
results to unpack, from Leven to

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Torren to Persch to Boston to 
Spain. 

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Out in Castellon, the US Indoor 
Combined Championships also took

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place, I believe, in 
Indianapolis. 

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And on top of all of that, the 
Winter Olympics came to an end. 

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Preet after weeks and weeks of 
watching action from Milan 

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Cortina. 
What was the highlight of this 

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final week of of winter sports 
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I mean, I, I, to be fair, I 
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think you have to mention the 
guy, Johannes Clybo, who has won

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6 gold medals now and it's just 
insane across a range of 

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distances. 
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question we've all been asking, 
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group chat is what could he do 
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Yeah, that was me. 
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marathon? 
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Jesse Diggins has run a marathon
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aerobic animals, you know, that 
they'd be able to put together a

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really good one. 
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couldn't find anything like no 
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results, literally just it just 
skis. 

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But yeah, I mean that that's the
culture in Norway though, right?

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So the one time I I went to 
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literally I was on a train from 
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Like literally every weekend 
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they'll go skiing. 
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train was filled with people and
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And that is just a culture from 
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So that's what they do. 
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They can't really run in the 
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They're going to they're going 
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So maybe that is, you know, that
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winter sports, why they topped 
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Olympics. 
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We have a couple listeners from 
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like occasionally send us clips 
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there, especially anything 
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I haven't really been able to 
gauge just sort of it's not my 

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Twitter timeline necessarily, 
but is this, I'm assuming 6 gold

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medals at a Winter Olympics 
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Michael Phelps on the all time 
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He's a bigger star than Jakob 
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right? 
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I assume so, but yeah, I have no
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But that and and mentioning 
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Health update. 
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I was going to bring that up 
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But yeah, as of right now, our 
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should just be a segment at some
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to bring on a sponsor for a 
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is back to running after his 
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altar. 
G boot off, stitches out 20 

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minutes. 
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he posted on a reel. 
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more context, like what did he 
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But hey, good to see the guy is 
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I'm sure there are people who 
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think this is a it's a good sign
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And the other sort of Winter 
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to what we're talking about was 
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you will get on this podcast. 
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wins the the gold medal in the 
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she was in the Olympics four 
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She came sixth. 
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And that's because if you're a 
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skating since I think she was 
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fascinating. 
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being locked in and all of that.
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athlete that cared the least, 
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relaxed, like she was taking 
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She arrived at the Olympic venue
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look for a teammate who'd skated
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She was like an hour and a half 
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teammate who was one of the gold
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No, and, and I think that was 
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gives off. 
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interesting, you know, when we 
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Ruth Gout gout, that the people 
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really high level, they're doing
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so that they don't burn out. 
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you know, that that they are 
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sport because they've got so 
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know, it can take you away. 
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a good lesson to see that, you 
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know, oh, OK, The thing we love 
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lab count newsletter or in our 
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it into track terms. 
Is there an athlete who has done

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this where it's like teenage 
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fast and it's hard to come back 
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so many different changes. 
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just sort of recount all of 
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like, would this give some 
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of just like, hey, you know 
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right? 
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I'll come back when I'm mentally
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this a bit more. 
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I mean, like, that's just like a
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been that person who's like, OK,
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Georgian Deballe is probably the
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She retired for like 5 years and
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d'amato example, but the 
marathon is so different and 

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also you are probably still 
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But this was really, this is a 
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I think once it crossed my feed 
a bit of just sort of, yeah. 

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I mean, we always forget this, 
this, this Olympics definitely 

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had a lot of the athlete mental 
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people were talking about just 
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story and then the quad God and,
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and, and all that kind of stuff.
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We should name him because I 
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time. 
Ilya Malin and but yes, he was 

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the guy who who unfortunately 
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figure skating and and and had 
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since then, did he seem like, 
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interviews and media that 
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consumed more of it than I did? 
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headspace wise after that? 
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young athletes, you can see 
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his revenge and his kind of, you
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of. 
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is an athlete that, that, you 
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everything, right. 
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But the other thing is about 
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gold in 20-30 when he's, he will
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oldest Olympic gold medallist 
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skating, because generally 
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figure skating in terms of, in 
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level is, you know, it isn't, it
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over the next few years, but. 
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like things are just changing in
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athletes wanting to come back 
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quote UN quote, like traditional
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Like look at how many like 
Simone Biles, right? 

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Like, she wasn't really, like, 
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So no, that's so fascinating how
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changed. 
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Games are over. 
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next. 
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LA 2028, it's the next one. 
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They'll be here before we know 
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But all right, let's get into 
unpacking some results from the 

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past week. 
Let's pick back up with leaving,

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which is we did our emergency 
podcast last week after Keely 

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So we spent some time on that. 
If you want our thoughts, you 

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But I did kind of want to pick 
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we were giving her her flowers 
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And then I think I remember just
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the conversation right after she
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And there's there were two 
people brought up typically in 

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these conversations. 
One, it's the what if right of 

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the aforementioned thing, MO 
What if a thing was still, you 

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it's fair anymore. 
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fine to, you know, you know, 
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when a thing was at the you 
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she'll be back at the height of 
her powers. 

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I think too much time has passed
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Keely has levelled up that Keely
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you know, always throw that 
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Olympics is like now I think 
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up taking it a bit more 
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And yeah, it's just so I'm done 
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a thing. 
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Chris, cause 'cause it's been 
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no, I mean, I, I agree that I 
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if it, it, it is time and it's 
really hard. 

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You know, it is hard because I 
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She then set the American record
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after a bit of a rough year and 
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you cannot. 
Deny the talent. 

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from that, from that last high 
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I think at this point now if she
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runs 48 in her first 400 back, 
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it is time to to start to bring 
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But for now, I'm putting it on 
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And then the other person 
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Because at the beginning of this
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she announces that she's going 
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started to think, oh, Keely 
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That should be a close race. 
It's not at this at this very 

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like, OK, let's shelf any Femka 
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two years. 
I would think, let's see how 

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this 2026 experiment goes. 
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learning is that Femka needs to 
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our conversation because he 
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after Femka announced that her 
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She's going to need to be able 
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800 meter training if there's 
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first injury has popped up, it's
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experiment was awash or or went 
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It's just this is an important 
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forward. 
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I mean, we know from because of 
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different level. 
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the match ups outdoors, maybe at
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she loves racing in the London 
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able to see at least where the 
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something quick, you know, 
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out, which would which I think 
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see her pushed and to see her 
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it's conducive to doing that. 
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clearly just just so far ahead 
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Then it isn't. 

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It shouldn't be a narrative. 
No, isn't it? 

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record, right? 
Everyone's kind of now thinking,

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where is she going to give this 
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It's got to be London Diamond 
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When you have how many, how many
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that stadium cheering you on. 
That's the one thing that it's 

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like, OK, when Kipchoge talked 
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around, it was one like Nike did
all the science behind the shoes

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and the fuelling and all that 
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people cheering for you, yes, it
is more pressure, but at the 

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same time, like I can't think of
a better stage to bring the 

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house down. 
It's also the stadium where the 

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men's 800 meter world record was
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So, so that also kind of means 
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of thing to happen that it, it 
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it's where Keely's run her 
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So how? 
Loud. 

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Was that because that was a big 
race for Keely, for Georgia, for

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Gemma? 
You were there. 

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Yeah, I was. 
I was there in in the audience. 

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And yeah, it was. 
I mean, that stadium is always 

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packed, right? 
And it does, it does get loud. 

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I mean, you are in, you're just 
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I, I think the athletes probably
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the crowd, because every athlete
I have talked to has said London

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is the place to race, right? 
They, they, you know, and, and 

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like Noah Lyles comes there 
every year for that same reason,

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right? 
He, he just. 

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Loves now he's going to be going
to Fayetteville. 

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Obviously. 
Instead, Yeah. 

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But no, I mean, I think it will 
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And I think the other thing 
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think we alluded to this 
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disappointed with the time, the 
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faster. 
And I think Jenny Meadows texted

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Hannah England and that was 
revealed on a podcast. 

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And I think it aligns with some 
of the other comments that have 

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been been around in interviews 
and some of the conversations I 

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had with Trevor and others at 
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Like if it had been a perfect 
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just a little too quick in that 
1st 200. 

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had the 1st 200 been exactly 
what they wanted. 

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So yeah, that and, and I think 
that's the thing. 

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The margins are so fine when 
you're trying to run a world 

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record and run on the absolute 
line that you have to run the 

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perfect race for you. 
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that, she's obviously still more
than capable of running that 

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that world record time. 
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most out of yourself you've got 
to run the perfect race for you 

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and she obviously wasn't quite 
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it was still obviously a really 
good run. 

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Yeah. 
All right. 

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So we brought up Georgia Hunter 
Bell. 

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She did compete at leave in and 
she had a different feeling than

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Keely's joy after the race. 
Yes, there was slight 

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disappointment, but you have to 
be happy overall the fact that 

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you broke the world record and 
took care of that business. 

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But for Georgia Hunter Bell, I 
think she posted on her 

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Instagram story that she was 
pretty disappointed by running 4

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flat once again took the win the
like. 

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It was a mess of a pace job, I 
feel like, and that's what 

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ultimately did the men. 
It was a pacer was supposed to 

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drop out at one point didn't. 
So another pacer ended up going 

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longer than they expected and 
lights were confusing. 

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And all things considered, what 
end? 

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What could have been another 
record falling, which I guess 

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she was targeting Lord Muir's 
British record. 

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It did it like just fell apart. 
Yeah, I think she was. 

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There's also European record at 
round 350-8357 or something as 

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well. 
But she the issue was that 

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Berkeley Highland, one of The 
Ethiopians, got in between the 

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two Pacers and then the first 
pacer, then sort of the second 

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pacer then kind of was like, 
what do I do? 

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And ended up dropping out early.
The first pacer carried on going

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further than they were meant to 
at a slower pace. 

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And so it just all turned into a
bit of a bit of a mess. 

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And yeah, I, I, I don't know, I 
don't think you can lay the 

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blame on any one person, but it 
was it was it just all turned 

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into a bit of a mess at that 
point. 

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And and unfortunately, it meant 
that Georgia wasn't able to to 

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go sub four with a second four 
flat of the season. 

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And and it leaves Ellie. 
Saint Pierre is the only person 

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who has broken four 1500 meters 
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None of The Ethiopians have done
it, despite repeated attempts at

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it. 
You're not having the best 

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season. 
I keep looking at these results 

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and I'm like what is up? 
I guess one thing is Google 

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after the guy is not running 
right. 

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No, exactly. 
She's the one who normally drags

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them to these these silly times 
and and Highland has a 

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reputation for not being very 
good at pacing herself. 

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And so she either she tends to 
she's not tactically great. 

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Like she can run really quick 
behind Goudaf and she's done 

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that a few times in the past. 
But when it comes to tactics and

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pacing, I think she completely 
messed up the Olympics ended up 

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in the reperchage. 
She, even though she was like 

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the 5th or 6th fastest woman in 
the field or something, you 

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know. 
And she, she then, you know, I 

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think, I think that's the thing.
So she's still, she's still very

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young, right, You know, But by 
now you'd have thought she'd 

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have learnt a little bit. 
But she always tends to either 

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go out too hard and then die or 
yeah, when when she doesn't have

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someone just to to sit in behind
it, it kind of doesn't tend to 

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go all that well for her. 
So this meat that they're 

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putting on, is Georgia running 
the 15 or 8? 

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So they're putting on this meat.
So there's the Scottish and 

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what's going to be the UK 
Combined events championships in

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Glasgow next weekend. 
And they are going to no, no, no

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plans to go. 
But she is going to be and, and 

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so M11 have sort of tacked on 
their own races into that meet 

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and Keely is going to run a 400 
and George is going to run an 

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800. 
Is, is what we know. 

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I don't know, I and I think a 
number of other people from the 

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M11 track club will probably 
also be running at that meet. 

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But yeah, it's all a bit weird. 
We've had a couple of weird 

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meets that nobody had heard 
about in the UK, partly because 

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I think like the Birmingham 
track where the UK Endor champs 

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were, they had a meet there this
weekend, but because it's too 

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expensive to put the security 
on, they didn't open it up to 

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spectators and then people only 
really heard about it 

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afterwards, after it happened. 
It was very weird and then 

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because it's a really big venue 
so they have to have like full 

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on, full on security and stuff. 
And then I think the Glasgow 

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venue, Glasgow meet again, it 
was all very mysterious and and 

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people weren't sure when there 
were rumours floating around. 

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But yeah, it has now been 
confirmed that that that meet is

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happening as well because 
obviously the British champs 

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were last weekend and so there. 
We go you guys need your own 

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beat you. 
We do and, and it is tough. 

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There's only, you know, four or 
five decent indoor 200m tracks 

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in the UK. 
And yeah, it's, it's tricky to 

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put on. 
And obviously the one where the 

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British Champs was held, that is
the only that is not a permanent

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venue, that's only a temporary 
venue where they have the indoor

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track for a couple of weeks a 
year. 

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Glasgow is the biggest kind of 
proper venue, but which is where

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the world indoors were a couple 
years ago. 

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But yeah, there weren't, there 
weren't that many facilities. 

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All right, also in leaving Jess 
Hall ran 526.68 for 2K moves to 

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#2 on the all time list behind 
Genzaby de Baba's 523. 

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Jess Hall has run faster 
outdoors 519 Funky race. 

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I thought I wish. 
Hey, honestly, like if we wanted

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that 1500 would be faster, Jess 
would have been someone really 

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good to have an input. 
As we kind of said before, 

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Leavin had a little preservation
of egos. 

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It seems like by, you know, 
having an 802 K 1500 and but 

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that's. 
They cancelled the 600 once 

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Fancor wasn't running with Oh 
that's right. 

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I forgot about that one. 
So it was 800615102K. 

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But yeah, Jess is Jess is in 
good form. 

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She'll she's getting ready for 
world indoors I presume is 

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definitely on her agenda. 
She's someone who always shows 

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00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,240
up to championships, but a 
couple other records fell behind

445
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,640
this European record national 
records. 

446
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,720
The 2K has just not run all that
often, and so just a good 

447
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,720
fitness check. 
Other results that stood out. 

448
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,920
Elliott Creston, 143.91 As of 
right now, if there's anyone 

449
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,760
who's going to really give it to
Cooper Luckenhouse at World 

450
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,720
Indoors, could be Elliot, I 
think. 

451
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,560
Yeah, no, he's been having a 
fantastic season, winning races,

452
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,840
running really quick. 
He won again a couple of days 

453
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,080
later in 144 O in Torrent as 
well. 

454
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:29,680
So he's proving that he can run 
fast, he can win races and he 

455
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,880
has won a a few indoor medals in
the past. 

456
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,560
So he's he's someone who knows 
what he's doing when it comes to

457
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,920
these indoor championships as 
well. 

458
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,040
So yeah, I I would say at the 
moment, given the rest of the 

459
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,720
Americans are absent, there's no
Kenyans. 

460
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,120
You know, it's there's no sign 
of marker Arab or any Algerians 

461
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,160
either. 
So yeah, it's obviously the the 

462
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,560
indoor 800 is always a bit weird
when you don't have a lot of the

463
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,200
the big players. 
But yeah, he he's looking very 

464
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,600
good. 
Yeah, and I guess we'll lightly 

465
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,080
touch on the US Indoor 
Championships toward the end of 

466
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,640
this episode. 
But looking at the entries as of

467
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,280
right now, I don't think they've
fully closed just yet. 

468
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,440
But there's no Josh Hoey, no 
Bryce Hoppel, no Donovan Brazier

469
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,120
in the men's 800 as of right 
now. 

470
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,160
Another person who was in that 
800 in Turin this past weekend, 

471
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,600
I believe. 
Isaac Nader, right? 

472
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,840
Didn't he run like 145 in Turin?
Yeah, it was an approximate 

473
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,400
underfirm, yeah. 
Couple days after he ran 332 to 

474
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,120
win the 1500 in leave in that's 
the second fastest in the world 

475
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:44,120
behind Cole Hawker's 3/30 which 
was enroute to his mile American

476
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:47,560
record. 
It it like I think as of right 

477
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,280
now looking at those times, 
obviously Nader has gone faster 

478
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,840
outdoors for 15 and in the 8 
hundreds. 

479
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,920
So he's getting into form right 
now and that's good for the 

480
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,360
eventual showdown that we want 
to see at the world indoor 

481
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:06,280
championships where Cole Hawker 
will get a chance to race the 

482
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,440
1500 meter world champion. 
I presume that this will be the 

483
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,480
first time that they'll go head 
to head. 

484
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,720
And as of I was looking at the 
projections because I was 

485
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,080
crunching all these after the 3K
and leaving to see if it would 

486
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,440
have shaken anything up for, you
know, who's going in off the top

487
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,640
list for the 3K? 
Cole Hawker's in a good spot. 

488
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,360
I believe Isaac Nader is also in
it if he chooses to double. 

489
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,120
But yeah, we we're very likely 
to see Nader versus Hawker for 

490
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,120
the first time at World Indoors.
That's I think where it where 

491
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,680
it's at right now, right. 
Yeah, well, Cole Hawk, they did 

492
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,680
actually race each other in the 
World Indoor Championships in 

493
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,480
2024, where Cole won the silver 
medal. 

494
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,280
Yeah, I'm, I'm saying this Nader
was for since Tokyo. 

495
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,120
But but since Tokyo, obviously, 
yes, this is the first, first 

496
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,280
meeting and yeah, and and I 
think we'll come on to as Dean 

497
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,880
Haves shortly as well, but. 
'Cause he's also a potential 

498
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,200
153K doubler at the World Indoor
Championships. 

499
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:19,360
So in leaving as Dean, Haves had
a terrible close to his 3K. 

500
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:25,280
He faded really badly and I 
think got swallowed up by The 

501
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Ethiopians and and Kenyans that 
were in the race. 

502
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:34,880
And he faded, bounces back with 
the 1500 in Tauren and he 

503
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:44,480
finished in 332.56, just point 
O1 behind Shapiso Mazzalella 

504
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,600
from Botswana. 
And it's a great race. 

505
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,040
And I didn't really think too 
much of it. 

506
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,720
Once I saw the time, I was like,
OK, 332, that's strong. 

507
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,840
OK, move on. 
The rest of my day. 

508
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,840
Then later on, I find out that 
he was disqualified. 

509
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:08,000
Massalella was disqualified from
the race, and the rule that he 

510
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,480
violated wasn't impeding or 
anything like that. 

511
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,280
It was unsportsmanlike conduct. 
And then if you go back to watch

512
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,960
the race finish or catch the 
photo that we put up on the 

513
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,920
Sidious Meg Instagram account, 
he pretty much does a gun 

514
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,960
gesture towards Habs as he's 
about to cross the finish line. 

515
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,960
And that was enough for the 
officials to DQ him. 

516
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,480
And when we put up the graphic 
that says DQ in big letters, I 

517
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,280
didn't expect this reaction. 
We've got 18.2000 likes on this 

518
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,760
post 1308 comments. 
This is a it's been a very 

519
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,400
divisive thing in in in the 
sport the last couple days. 

520
00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:00,520
And I think it's because 
basically it's split between the

521
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,720
traditionalist view and and the 
modern, the modernist sports fan

522
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,480
view, I would say where people 
are thinking they should 

523
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,680
encourage personality and 
showmanship. 

524
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,640
And then other people are like, 
no, like track is you have to 

525
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,120
be. 
I don't respect your 

526
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,120
competition. 
Where did What was your initial 

527
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,120
reaction to this finish? 
So in order, I'm very much in 

528
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,560
favour of the show personality, 
let them race, let them 

529
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,080
celebrate. 
And I that's my kind of, that 

530
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,400
would be my preferred approach. 
But I, I can also see and I can 

531
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,640
also understand that maybe. 
And, and the problem is there 

532
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,920
are no like clear rules. 
You know, it's this vague, what 

533
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,920
is unsportsmanlike conduct, 
right? 

534
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:55,160
And it is this question of, you 
know, doing the whole gun symbol

535
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,000
and pointing it at someone, is 
that appropriate? 

536
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,360
And I know some people can be 
triggered by it. 

537
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,720
Some people can think it's 
really inappropriate because, 

538
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,160
you know, and and I don't know, 
would we be having a different 

539
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,320
conversation if, say the first 
time someone beats next beats 

540
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,760
Faith Kapiagon in the 1500. 
If that person were to do that 

541
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,200
to faith to be agon, what do you
think our reaction would be 

542
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,120
right? 
And and I think this is the 

543
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,280
thing that you then, but you 
can't have a rule for one 

544
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,440
scenario where you think that 
was just plain rude. 

545
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,760
You can't do that to the goat. 
You can't do that to faith and 

546
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,520
on the other side go in this 
scenario, Oh, it's fine. 

547
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,320
It's just guys will be guys. 
They're celebrating like you 

548
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,000
can't have that inconsistency. 
There's got to be a consistent 

549
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,200
rule and you've got to find the 
right ballots. 

550
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,960
And I think maybe it's the gun 
thing, but I think the problem 

551
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,480
is I think the rules need to be 
clearer. 

552
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,240
And that's that's where I 
struggle is the rules are not 

553
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,200
clear. 
Unsportsmanlike conduct is too 

554
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,040
vague. 
And if you're going to say, 

555
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,480
look, you know, you can point 
your finger in the air, you can 

556
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,360
raise your arms in the air. 
Apparently you get also get DQ D

557
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,920
for taking your vest off as 
well, although Cost of Warholm 

558
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,520
doesn't, but other people, you 
know, arguably you can get DQ D 

559
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,960
for that. 
So I think the the issue I think

560
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,880
we had, you know, we have is are
the rules going to be applied 

561
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,040
consistently and would they have
dared to do it had it been 

562
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Yakabinger Britson? 
I don't know. 

563
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,000
No, Lyles. 
Let's think back to 2023 US 

564
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,440
championships, him versus Aryan 
Knighten and he's crossing the 

565
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,800
finish line and he does a very 
similar looking motion towards 

566
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Aryan. 
Or so Noah has come up multiple 

567
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,200
times on social media right now 
as people are highlighting just 

568
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:47,520
sort of just again, like how 
various officials have handled 

569
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,240
this and like what why it hasn't
been applied in the past. 

570
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,560
Again, I think it could just be 
you caught the wrong official at

571
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:02,680
this meet versus like Noah doing
it to Aryan at USAS cool moment.

572
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,360
Everyone thought it was awesome.
Then after that he does a 

573
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,760
similar there's there's footage 
of him I think at the Atlanta 

574
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,000
City Games where he wins the 
straight 150 or whatever it is 

575
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,360
and he literally does like a gun
motion towards his competitors 

576
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,960
kind of shooting him down. 
Mondo Duplantis doing the same. 

577
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,480
It's the gun gesture from the 
other. 

578
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,880
What was the? 
The Turkish, the yeah, the 

579
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,199
Turkish guy who sort of stands 
there with his hands in his 

580
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:35,040
pocket and was like shooting. 
Down people are saying like that

581
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,880
one's OK because he wasn't 
necessarily doing it at anyone 

582
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,520
or a competitor, It was more 
towards the cameras and stuff, 

583
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,199
whereas Noah has done it in the 
past towards his competitors. 

584
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,480
And so there is that sort of 
discrepancy that people are 

585
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,440
pointing out. 
I was like, well, why was it OK 

586
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,239
for him but not for Mesilela? 
What's interesting is that Noah 

587
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,679
said afterwards that after he 
did it at Atlanta City Games, 

588
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,960
Janelle, his fiance said to him,
don't use the gun gesture 

589
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,400
anymore because yeah, so, so 
he's actually now conscious of 

590
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,640
that. 
And I believe he won't do it 

591
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,200
anymore because of this very 
reason that I think guns and 

592
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,480
kind of doing that kind of 
shooting thing, particularly 

593
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,280
towards another competitor, can 
be taken the wrong way. 

594
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:20,720
So it was interesting. 
He's he's acknowledged that, 

595
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,720
yeah. 
Yeah, we live in America where 

596
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,040
gun violence is just so 
prevalent and terrible to wake 

597
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,440
up to every single day. 
And we see we have enough of 

598
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,520
that. 
And I could see why, you know, a

599
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,280
lot of people would not like to 
see that infiltrate their 

600
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,720
sports. 
And I think the other thing is, 

601
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,280
and, and this is again, that the
bit that's really hard, right, 

602
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,160
is in some ways, in many ways, 
you want athletes to be role 

603
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,800
models for young people. 
You know, and that there is, 

604
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,920
there is an element of 
responsibility, especially when 

605
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,400
you're 1 of the top athletes or 
when you're at a big meet or a 

606
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,400
big event, you know, to be a 
role model for people who you 

607
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,240
see that you don't want people 
copying certain behaviours. 

608
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:08,040
And I can understand that side 
of things as well. 

609
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,240
But I think on the flip side, 
are you, you know, are you also 

610
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:17,120
saying, you know, that people 
can't show personality? 

611
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,360
Because this moment, as we saw 
from the comments and the 

612
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,840
response, it's broken through, 
right? 

613
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,320
It's gotten a much wider 
audience and play than if they 

614
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,160
just let it go. 
And and it's and it's drawn 

615
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,280
eyeballs. 
And in a, in a world where 

616
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,080
you're fighting for eyeballs, 
like having drama, having 

617
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,640
controversy is, is good. 
And it's how do you, how do you 

618
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,120
balance all of those 
considerations and, and strike 

619
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,920
the right balance to, to make 
the sport popular, but not at 

620
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,520
the expense of, you know, not 
having role models and, and kind

621
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,920
of having athletes that, that 
people just love to hate. 

622
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,400
Yeah, that's been the common 
critique, I think after this 

623
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,480
whole entire thing, is that this
actually helps with the 

624
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,200
visibility and charisma of the 
sport. 

625
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:15,560
Like for like for Masilela, this
is the most anyone's ever paid 

626
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,920
attention to him ever the most 
visibility any of his race 

627
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,080
finishes has gotten. 
Am I am I remembering this 

628
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,800
correctly? 
But he rattled off quite a bit 

629
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,400
of victories last year at the 
beginning of the the Diamond 

630
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,520
League season. 
And he had some moments where he

631
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,000
was like playing it up in front 
of the cameras and putting the 

632
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,600
crown on himself. 
And and he he was like, I'm the 

633
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,680
800 king now. 
And then obviously got humbled 

634
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,960
much later on. 
It was was it 815 hundred, 

635
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,720
whatever it was like he was 
taking great pride in the early 

636
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,840
season success that he had. 
And so he is a very, you know, 

637
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,000
personable, like he's a, he's a 
personality for sure. 

638
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,480
Yeah, exactly. 
I mean, I think over 1500 he 

639
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,400
won. 
He won a few races and a yeah. 

640
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,040
And he rattled off, he won the 
Rabat Diamond League last year. 

641
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,440
Yeah, he won Doha Diamond 
League, he won the Rabat Diamond

642
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,040
League. 
He won 42, seven. 

643
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,480
And then it started going a bit 
downhill for him because he came

644
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,440
eighth in the Paris Diamond 
League, 8th in the Monaco 

645
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,440
Diamond League. 
Yeah, but if you go back and 

646
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,840
watch some of those races, like 
afterwards, his antics 

647
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,760
immediately after the victories 
was was not as aggressive as 

648
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,000
this, but it's been there for a 
while. 

649
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,600
I think there are people who've 
landed in the middle right where

650
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,800
it's you could allow it to 
happen, but you don't issue the 

651
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,760
DQ. 
Instead, you find the person, 

652
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,960
which is something that you 
would happen in the NBA or the 

653
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,120
NFL. 
Someone does, you know, a 

654
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:51,760
celebration that taunts another 
person or even when John Moran, 

655
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,200
this is an NBA comparison. 
He has done gun celebrations and

656
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,720
grenade celebrations and gotten 
in trouble for it. 

657
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,160
The NBA has fined him. 
All of a sudden, it's not that 

658
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,480
you look at the box score and 
his 20 points, 10 rebounds from 

659
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,520
that night are suddenly gone. 
It's no all right. 

660
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,760
You're going to have to pay some
consequences for this. 

661
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,480
And so maybe in a sport like 
track and field where the 

662
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,040
athletes make so little, it's, 
it wouldn't go over well. 

663
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,600
But hey, you teach the lesson 
there of like, all right, Massa,

664
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,640
like you get to keep the result,
but we'll withhold prize money 

665
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,640
as a result of this. 
Yeah, exactly. 

666
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,520
I mean, I suppose if you got DQ 
D, you lose the prize money for 

667
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,040
the meet anyway, right. 
So maybe that's the so maybe you

668
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,680
know, that's the middle ground 
that you don't lose the result, 

669
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,880
but you do do lose that that 
prize money. 

670
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,120
But yeah, as I say, I think the 
thing that has to be there, 

671
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,160
whatever you do, I think the 
rules just have to be. 

672
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,080
And it's hard, right? 
Because you can't legislate for 

673
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,080
every celebration someones going
to come up with. 

674
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,280
And that's where you have these 
more general kind of rules 

675
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,480
around things like 
unsportsmanlike conduct where 

676
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,400
then the officials have to make 
a decision. 

677
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,120
And in in track and field, where
generally we're quite a polite 

678
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,400
sport, It's it's, you know, 
there's, there's quite a lot of 

679
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,480
camaraderie between the athletes
and, and stuff. 

680
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,960
It, it is hard. 
It, it's hard to imagine, right?

681
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,040
But yeah, I think you do you. 
You do have to kind of maybe set

682
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,160
some guardrails, set some 
clearer guidance. 

683
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,520
And this is maybe hopefully a 
trigger for them to actually go 

684
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,920
out and do that. 
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685
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693
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694
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695
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697
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Now obviously that led to a few 

698
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,600
laughs every time I ordered a 
Shirley Temple at a bar or 

699
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700
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715
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716
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,680
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Yeah. 

717
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,480
All right. 
So if we kind of outline it into

718
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,560
a chart, here's the 
traditionalist view versus the 

719
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,400
modernist view of this whole 
entire thing. 

720
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,120
So the traditionalists were, you
know, they view it as respect 

721
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,080
and restraint are the thing that
defined the sport. 

722
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,480
The modernist says personality 
drives relevance. 

723
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,480
The traditionalists will say 
competition is not theater, it's

724
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,600
the product. 
And then the modernist will say 

725
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,920
that entertainment is what 
matters and sells. 

726
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,800
And I actually, I think I lean 
in that direction. 

727
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,800
Where we like, we got to think 
of ourselves as an entertainment

728
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,160
product at some point too. 
And this was, in a way 

729
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,720
entertaining. 
The traditionalists will say 

730
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,360
that clear boundaries will 
prevent escalation. 

731
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,760
That is kind of true. 
Like we're lucky in a sense that

732
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,960
this didn't lead to Azidine Habs
clocking Masilela in the face 

733
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,720
like right after it happened. 
Nothing of that, I think, really

734
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:18,520
transpired afterwards. 
But the modernist will say that 

735
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,960
if you start to over police 
things, then you're going to 

736
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,520
alienate fans who want to see 
some of that personality. 

737
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,280
So yeah, I think I'd learn more 
on to the modernist side. 

738
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,000
And I didn't have a problem with
it. 

739
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,000
And in fact, like you look at 
the City of Mad comments section

740
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,880
and you sort through those 
thousands of that that thousand 

741
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,560
comments, I think it leans more 
in that direction. 

742
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,920
But yeah, sound off in the 
Spotify comments section here 

743
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,600
and let us know what you think. 
Should Massilla have been 

744
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,920
disqualified for that 
celebration over Azerine Habs? 

745
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,360
So that was the biggest thing 
out of Torin. 

746
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:04,040
We had Devin Charlton won the 
women 60 in a world lead of 

747
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:10,720
7.77. 
Other results from this past 

748
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:14,480
weekend we had the All Star 
Parish meet. 

749
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,920
And this is France, right? 
Yes, yes. 

750
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,440
So this is the meat organized by
Renault liability. 

751
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,520
So he's kind of the meat 
organizer. 

752
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,400
So he always gets Mondo and all 
his mates there to compete. 

753
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,040
And so it's it is a fabulous 
show, showpiece of a meet. 

754
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,200
There's like 5000 people there 
just watching pole vault. 

755
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,680
It's incredible it. 
Looks like it takes place in a 

756
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,800
in like a regular gymnasium, but
the way that they have it set up

757
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,920
is just sort of like pole vault 
at center stage. 

758
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,920
There's no track and so. 
Yeah, it's an indoor arena, 

759
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,360
right? 
It's an indoor arena. 

760
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,040
It's not necessarily a a track 
venue, right, But it's, it's an 

761
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,960
indoor arena. 
So then, you know, you can then 

762
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,200
it has the lighting set up and 
it has all of that kind of stuff

763
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,040
that allows you to do cool stuff
more easily and make it visually

764
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,040
really cool. 
Cool event. 

765
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,880
And yeah, they, they, they, they
always put a good show. 

766
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,120
And Mondo jumped 6 meters. 
Six. 

767
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,920
He had food poisoning the night 
before he attempted the world 

768
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,320
record of 6. 
He gave it a good try. 

769
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,400
Gave it a good try, yes, but 
didn't quite succeed. 

770
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,080
But yeah, he's been, he's been a
busy boy. 

771
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:28,160
As Monday he also released a new
single and we saw him singing it

772
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:28,880
live as well. 
Yeah, that's right. 

773
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,360
So I'll play a a short clip from
it because I need, I need 

774
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,920
something to beat that. 
Engine running, I feel, I feel 

775
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:32,520
it coming. 
I'm my low way. 

776
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,600
I need, I need some heat. 
That engine running. 

777
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,000
I feel it. 
I feel. 

778
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:50,840
It coming from. 
My low way. 

779
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,600
All right, so that is the latest
hit from Mondo. 

780
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,960
This this one's called Feeling 
myself. 

781
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:10,520
As of right now, I'm ranking it 
as #3 of of I think the four 

782
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,000
songs that has come out so far. 
Number one for me is man's. 

783
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,480
Then I go 4L now I'll put this 
one in there. 

784
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,520
And then the 4th 1 is Bop. 
So he's a renaissance man right 

785
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,600
now. 
There's the, the, it's not just 

786
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,200
he's getting into a studio and 
recording these tracks now. 

787
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,560
He's actually going out there 
and performing it live. 

788
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,640
That's, that's putting yourself 
out there. 

789
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,600
And hey, I, I, I think the stage
presence maybe needs a little 

790
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,920
bit of, of work, but just so 
entertaining. 

791
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,680
And he's giving plenty of tracks
now for whatever stadium 

792
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,600
announcer to play when he 
ultimately breaks his own world 

793
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,120
record. 
I think he even put it up on his

794
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,200
TikTok or Instagram story. 
I think it was, it was like, 

795
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,560
what, what should my celebration
be the next time I break my 

796
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,280
world record? 
Like, gotta love that confidence

797
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,000
too. 
But do you find yourself 

798
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,680
listening to his music? 
Not that often, to be honest. 

799
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,120
I have too many podcasts to 
listen to, to be fair. 

800
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:21,120
I now, yeah, all my music 
listening has been supplanted by

801
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,280
podcast listing. 
So I tend to listen to less 

802
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,640
music than I used to, 
unfortunately. 

803
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,480
But yeah, no, here's it's a 
catchy track and that I think is

804
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,280
always, always good, right? 
Like when it's good energy, it's

805
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,600
a catchy track. 
He's not gonna have the most 

806
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,440
well trained voice. 
So I think having that kind of 

807
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,520
vibe is is what works for his 
music. 

808
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,280
And I think we found the same 
with Jakob's song and stuff like

809
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,560
it was catchy, right? 
And there's there's a need for 

810
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,640
that. 
So Eric expressed on Off the 

811
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,760
Rails couple weeks ago that he 
wants to remix the song man's 

812
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:07,040
and he'd come out of retirement 
and rap a verse on a remix. 

813
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:13,920
So we haven't like I, I, I 
rarely ever mobilize our 

814
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,960
listeners and followers to take 
action on on something. 

815
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,960
But I think it's time that we 
flood Mondo's comment section on

816
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:29,360
his post with like, drop them. 
Like, I don't know what it what 

817
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,800
it would be. 
It was like drop the man's Eric 

818
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,480
Jenkins remix and if people just
commented enough and tag Eric in

819
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,280
it as well, we might be able to 
make it happen. 

820
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,520
All we need is basically the the
we need. 

821
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,040
We just need the track. 
Mondo doesn't have to re record 

822
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,120
anything. 
We'll send Eric to a studio, 

823
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,080
he'll rap his verse, blend it 
all together and we've got 

824
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,560
ourselves a a remix of of man's 
featuring Eric Jenkins. 

825
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,640
Need to need to see that happen.
And in addition to that, if 

826
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:09,240
Mondo ever does tour for music, 
count me in, I'll be there. 

827
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,720
Also at this meet, Curtis 
Marshall became the 31st man 

828
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:18,440
over 6 meters. 
So welcome to the club. 

829
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,640
There was a nice moment between 
him and Mondo at that meet. 

830
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,760
I I tuned in and watched I think
towards the end and good for 

831
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,320
him. 
So I'm sure our boy Mitch Dyer 

832
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,280
is jazzed up about that. 
Was that all that came out of 

833
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,320
that? 
Meet Preet. 

834
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,520
Yeah, that was those, those are 
the, those are the main things. 

835
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,920
I think that because I think we,
we have seen like some really 

836
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,400
big, big jumps there in the 
past. 

837
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,400
But those, those were the 
biggest results there. 

838
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,640
I think Marry Julie Bonan, who 
is the world indoor champion 

839
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,040
actually jumped, she jumped to 
PB national record as well. 

840
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,840
I think 476 or 4, something like
that. 

841
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,200
So that was that was also good 
for the home crowd. 

842
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,040
All right, I want to turn our 
attention to Spain now, where it

843
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,800
feels like there's a road race 
every single weekend that ends 

844
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:15,440
up going crazy fast. 
This one being the Castellon 10K

845
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:22,360
where Jan Schreub ran 2643 and 
beat Andreas Almgren, who was in

846
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,000
this race and broke the European
record. 

847
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:35,680
Harbett, Quebec from Uganda won 
the whole race in 2639, and 

848
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,960
we'll touch on just sort of what
it means for the European record

849
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,040
in a way. 
But I guess what I started 

850
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,360
thinking when I was looking at 
these results is just that the 

851
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:55,760
10K on the road has become just 
sort of the spot where the we're

852
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,000
seeing obviously a lot of 
European dominance now in the 

853
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,520
distance, events on the track. 
This past World Championships 

854
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,640
was evidence of that with medals
by Jimmy Gressier, Isaac 

855
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,680
Camelli, Jakob. 
Over the last couple years, 

856
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,640
Europeans have done a good job 
of closing the gap. 

857
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:19,680
Same thing with Americans and it
could be due to a variety of 

858
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:25,800
different factors, right with 
the East Africans may be moving 

859
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,760
to the roads where there's a lot
more money earlier. 

860
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,040
It's left the track events to be
a bit more wide open. 

861
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,720
But and then when you look at 
the other side of the spectrum, 

862
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,800
marathon continues to be East 
African dominated. 

863
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,880
And so now when we get to see a 
road 10K, it's the spot where 

864
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,760
everyone meets in the middle. 
And recent performances by Jan 

865
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:57,360
Shrub and Andreas Olmgren have 
really kind of shown how much 

866
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,000
they've closed the gap. 
And that was the most impressive

867
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,640
part of of this past weekend for
me is, is like, oh, wow, like 

868
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:09,320
France's second best 10K guy is 
all of a sudden mixing it up 

869
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,880
with the top East Africans. 
And so if we're thinking of what

870
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,520
it means for the European 
record, it's going to trade 

871
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,120
hands. 
Like Olmgren is crazy fit and 

872
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,720
good. 
Jakob, I'm sure will give this 

873
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:26,280
thing a go at some point. 
But then you've also got now Jan

874
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,560
Shrub holding it. 
Wait till Jimmy Gressier gets to

875
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,840
run a road 10K. 
So it's a it's a very, very 

876
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,640
interesting time. 
But I thought for me the 

877
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,880
fascinating part is just that we
the 10K on the road is a is the 

878
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,480
where everything kind of 
reconvenes and we could get a 

879
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,400
good temperature check of just 
where everyone is at against the

880
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,200
top East Africans. 
Yeah. 

881
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,960
I mean, I think you can, you 
know, and looking ahead to the 

882
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,960
summer, right, is that we've got
European Championships coming up

883
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,840
and you've got Gressier, you've 
now got Bian Shrub, you've got 

884
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,040
Andreas Armgren, You've then got
Isaac Kameli, you've you've got 

885
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,880
Thierry and Dukamenayo. 
You've got a whole bunch of 

886
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,560
guys, Dominic Labali. 
So you've got a bunch of guys 

887
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,040
who are going to give it a 
really good. 

888
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,560
You know, it's going to be 
really interesting across the 

889
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,120
five and 10K And if ya comes 
back, maybe the 5K also gets 

890
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,120
really interesting and you've 
got George Mills. 

891
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,080
And so you've got, you've got a 
really good, you know, you've 

892
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,600
got a really good, good 
competitive set of races that 

893
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,720
are going to be high level 
rather than just being someone 

894
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,080
jogging around and, and well, 
it'll probably still be someone 

895
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,920
jogging around and, and kicking 
over the last lap. 

896
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,000
But, but I think you, you're 
then the athletes that you've 

897
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,840
got doing it are, are really 
fast athletes and and that kind 

898
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,640
of probably adds a bit of 
intrigue to that, to the whole 

899
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,160
thing. 
Yeah. 

900
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,040
In addition to that though, I 
guess I could see where people 

901
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:56,240
would push back at the thought 
that, oh OK, did the Europeans 

902
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:01,560
are suddenly now very good at 
the 10K compared to the East 

903
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,200
Africans. 
Is the fact that we just look at

904
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,400
world cross this past just a 
month or two ago, total East 

905
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,920
African dominance when it came 
to to that event. 

906
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,480
But cross country's a little bit
different in a way. 

907
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,320
The place to land is the fact 
that yes, Kenya, Ethiopia will 

908
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:25,160
always have 20 plus guys who can
run this fast and the top 1% of 

909
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,960
Europe and America, and I'd 
throw Canada in there as well. 

910
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,920
They can still they're, they are
breaking through. 

911
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,920
So it's a, it's a very 
interesting time. 

912
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,080
So the European record fell on 
the men's side, also on the 

913
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,800
women's side where we got to see
head to head right between 

914
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,600
Eilish Mcculligan and Megan 
Keith. 

915
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,000
And it was Megan Keith this time
around who took it right. 

916
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,880
Yeah, so we didn't get to see 
any of it on the broadcast, but 

917
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:59,960
that is what happened indeed. 
Very, very impressive time. 

918
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:04,240
When you think about, you know, 
the American record is 30 O3 by 

919
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,520
Lucia Monson. 
Eilish Mccolgan set her British 

920
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,000
and European. 
Well, no, it's not the European 

921
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,680
track 10K record, but it's the 
the British record of 30 flat in

922
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,920
that same race. 
And she's the one who's run 

923
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,360
thirty O 8 on the roads in a 
mixed race. 

924
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:23,680
Megan Keith now run thirty O 7. 
So that's pretty, pretty good to

925
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,880
see. 
She's someone who, you know, was

926
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,800
really talented. 
She ran was at 3036 on the track

927
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,040
and you know, she's up and 
coming. 

928
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,960
She was kind of racing Nadia 
Batacliti through the the age 

929
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:34,920
group. 
So I don't think she was quite 

930
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,880
beating her, but she was kind of
#2 to Batacliti through the 

931
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,600
European age group, cross 
country and things like that. 

932
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:47,280
And she's, you know, she then 
had an injury just before Paris,

933
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,120
which meant that she had that 
last place finish in Paris and 

934
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,360
the crowd were kind of cheering 
around and she was like a minute

935
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,040
behind all the other runners. 
And she's had a sort of a slow 

936
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,200
recovery from injury. 
But it's really good to see 

937
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,480
because she's someone who I 
think again is she was bronze 

938
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,320
medallist at Europeans couple of
years ago in 2024. 

939
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,120
Like, she's she's got a lot of 
talent. 

940
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,760
And yeah, you kind of want to 
see her, see her, you know, move

941
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,280
forward and and this is kind of 
finally she's back to her, her 

942
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,720
best. 
And Eilish Mccolgan in that race

943
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:22,160
then runs 3036. 
But she's deep in marathon 

944
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,240
training. 
So she was disappointed because 

945
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,520
she wanted quicker. 
But I think if you if you put it

946
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:32,240
in context, then that's pretty 
darn quick for for the middle of

947
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,800
marathon training. 
Remind folks, I think because if

948
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,000
if people have just started 
listening or tuned in, but I 

949
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,880
feel like it was a year ago, 
like maybe early on around this 

950
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,640
time you made a was it Megan 
Keith Parker Valby comparison. 

951
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,280
And now I feel like at this 
point, Megan Keith has surpassed

952
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,960
that. 
Yeah. 

953
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,000
I mean, I think we did because 
they were similar ages and there

954
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,080
was that. 
I mean, I think it's a little 

955
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,400
bit of health, right as well. 
The timing of injuries for both 

956
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,840
of them. 
The timing of injuries for both 

957
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,520
of them obviously has been a bit
bit in and out. 

958
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,880
Obviously at the Olympics, Valby
obviously performed much, much 

959
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,600
better, but but Megan was 
injured. 

960
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,280
But I think, you know, again, 
she's she she was there in, in, 

961
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:19,040
in Tokyo as well. 
Yeah, I think she can, you know,

962
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,800
she's she's definitely back to 
her best. 

963
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,560
And I think there there is that 
kind of they're both like 2223 

964
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:30,840
years old and, and had they were
running these 30 meds, 10 KS on 

965
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,040
the track and they're kind of 
more towards that 10K end rather

966
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,400
than that 5K end of end of 
things in terms of having that 

967
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,880
finishing speed. 
So I think they are very similar

968
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,840
athletes. 
And yeah, it'll be obviously we 

969
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,440
also want to see Parker get back
to to her best. 

970
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,520
And sadly, there's no incentive 
for for Americans to race a 10K 

971
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,160
this year. 
And they're also not bothering 

972
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:55,240
to race Rd. 10K. 
So yeah, I I don't know what 

973
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,360
we'll see out of out the top US.
No, actually great. 

974
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,960
I'm the early entries for the 10
are out. 

975
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,400
And Oh, really? 
Yeah, I'll read read off to you.

976
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,600
Just who's in it as of right 
now, these it's still over. 

977
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,240
I think it's a yeah, it's a 
little over a month away, so 

978
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,400
some of this may change, but the
women's 10K field. 

979
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,560
Miriam Datke from Germany. 
Elise Cranny, Lauren Ryan, Wayne

980
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:28,160
Kalati, Courtney Weyman, Jess 
McClain, Allie Bukowski, Millie 

981
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:33,440
Palladino, Florencia Borelli, 
Lem Lem Hilu, Dom Scott, Taylor 

982
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,360
Rowe, Sarah Lottie, Evelyn 
Kemboy, Laura Galvin, Callie 

983
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,920
Hogger Thackery. 
Although I don't think that's 

984
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,720
right because she just announced
that she is pregnant. 

985
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,560
Ella Donahue, Holly Campbell, 
Pamela Cosguy, Amanda Vestry, 

986
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,960
Bailey Hertenstein, Vanessa 
Frazier, Emily Infeldt, Katrina 

987
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:54,200
Coogan and Emily Venters. 
So that is the women's 10K, 

988
00:58:55,080 --> 00:59:00,480
Men's 10K Carlos Mayo, Tellehan 
Bakele, Sean Mcgordy, Kieran 

989
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,880
Tenne Debate Drew Hunter, Graham
Blanks, Ahmed Muhammad, Muhammad

990
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,400
Ismali, Dylan Maggard Amon Cam 
Boy. 

991
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,000
Romaine Legendre. 
He's the D3 guy, I'm pretty 

992
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,080
sure. 
Simon Bedard, Rory Leonard, Kira

993
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,800
Bola Rasa, Ephraim Gidei, Aaron 
Benefelt, Gulvier Singh, Adrian 

994
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:24,280
Wildskut, Jonas Rays, Haptham, 
Samuel Ishmel, Kip Kurui, Scott 

995
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,040
Beattie, Casey Clinger, Noah 
Rotich, Noah Shoot, Dennis 

996
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,720
Kipingettich, Brian Baraza, 
Valentin Soka. 

997
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,120
That is, those are the early 
entries as of right now. 

998
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,400
Yeah. 
And I'll be interested to know 

999
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,240
because I I haven't seen 
anything, but I'm just trying to

1000
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,760
look it up to see if they have 
released the 10,000 standard for

1001
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,000
Beijing because they normally 
they do give you an 18 month 

1002
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,480
window for that standard. 
But obviously it's slightly 

1003
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,720
weird because now the the 
championships are in September, 

1004
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,400
the 18 months, you're kind of on
the edge with the 10 as to 

1005
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,600
whether you'll be in or out the 
window if they haven't announced

1006
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,520
the window yet, so. 
And if anything, you get a, you 

1007
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,200
get rankings points over this 
thing. 

1008
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,480
But, and that brought me to this
create. 

1009
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,480
I was just thinking about this 
after our last conversation over

1010
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,920
the changes to the world 
rankings. 

1011
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:26,640
We should run the simulation on 
2020 fives because we sent, you 

1012
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,040
know, Emily Enfeld and Taylor 
Rowe based off of their 10K 

1013
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,040
rankings. 
What if the current system in 

1014
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,720
place would have applied to 2025
and 2024? 

1015
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,040
Would we still have sent people 
eligible for? 

1016
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,200
Would we still have fielded a 
full team? 

1017
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,760
It's a good experiment to 
probably run and crunch those 

1018
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,160
numbers because again, and I 
don't want to sound like I'm 

1019
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,200
ringing the alarm again, I don't
think people are paying enough 

1020
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,560
attention to this change and how
it's gonna affect. 

1021
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,320
We've already discussed how it's
gonna affect some of those track

1022
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,480
events, but especially 10K and 
roads. 

1023
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,720
That's where I think we need to 
start coaches and athletes who 

1024
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,440
are in those events and you 
start paying a little bit more 

1025
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,160
attention. 
Well, I think interestingly the 

1026
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,840
10,000 meters and and it's a bit
bit of an odd one, right, 

1027
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,440
because if you count the result 
from the last global 

1028
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,120
championship that has massive 
placing points and those have 

1029
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,200
been those have been nerfed a 
little bit. 

1030
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,800
But it also depends on the 
times, right? 

1031
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:33,280
So the men's 10K was essentially
filled up from people who ran 

1032
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,760
quick in the Paris Olympic 
final, all ended up in Tokyo. 

1033
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,720
Basically because they run, they
run so fast in in that one race 

1034
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,400
and because they just aren't 
that many 10 KS. 

1035
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,680
The rest of the 10 KS on the 
circuit don't actually have much

1036
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,080
in the way of placing points. 
Maybe the European 

1037
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,040
Championships, but they never 
run quick enough to actually 

1038
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,800
make an impact on the rankings. 
So actually most of the 10 KS 

1039
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,000
where you run quick are not in 
general don't have huge amounts 

1040
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,640
of placing points other than the
world champs or Olympics. 

1041
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,920
So it's, and I think the road 
ones, you don't get any placing 

1042
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:10,200
points actually for for for sort
of the track rankings. 

1043
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,720
I think it's a bit of a weird 
again, kind of adjustment that 

1044
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:20,720
they make for that. 
But yeah, so I don't know, it's 

1045
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,840
hard to know whether it would 
have much of an impact. 

1046
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,120
I I don't think it'll have as 
much of an impact. 

1047
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,680
I think it's much more for 
marathon qualifying. 

1048
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,240
I think there's much more 
potential impact because you're 

1049
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,000
placing at marathon majors is 
not as important anymore. 

1050
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,120
And therefore a good performance
in Boston or New York or 

1051
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,080
whatever is not going to be as 
helpful to in comparison to 

1052
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:48,160
running quick in Valencia. 
Yeah, just when I thought that I

1053
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,040
could take the year off from 
crunching 10K scores. 

1054
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,880
I want to run this experiment 
over. 

1055
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,960
Well, I got to find time between
writing the book, doing these 

1056
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,680
podcasts and, and and managing 
all these other stuff. 

1057
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,800
I need to get back to more 
interviews on a, on a regular 

1058
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,920
cadence for sure. 
But, and that's what's been 

1059
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,160
keeping me occupied. 
But at some point I will run a. 

1060
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,400
Simulation. 
So I've been doing some rankings

1061
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,520
number crunching this weekend 
and that's actually been in in 

1062
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,400
the pentathlon for world 
indoors. 

1063
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,600
So this weekend there were two 
pentathlons that worth briefly 

1064
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,760
mentioning. 1 is Anna Hall at 
the US Indoor combined event 

1065
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,880
champs, which she won handily 
with 4831 points, Obviously a 

1066
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,800
world lead, but she barely got 
out of second gear right? 

1067
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:44,480
She she jumped 620 in the long 
jump and she she threw 1389 for 

1068
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,080
the shot put. 
She's a 15 meter thrower now and

1069
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,760
she only jumped 185 in the high 
jump, which is kind of she's 

1070
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,400
normally 190 plus her her BBS 
195. 

1071
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,880
So she wasn't really and two O 7
or 800. 

1072
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:03,040
Like all of those marks are kind
of below, well below what she 

1073
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,240
what she could do if she's if 
she's yeah, it was, it was, but 

1074
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,560
it was a good, you know, it's an
early start season. 

1075
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,800
It's it's not a selection event 
for wild indoors. 

1076
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,880
So that's that's the other thing
to remember at the moment. 

1077
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,400
The two people who are in the 
rankings for Team USA are Anna 

1078
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,360
Hall and Talia Brooks. 
And Talia didn't compete this 

1079
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,160
weekend. 
Talia did not compete. 

1080
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,160
I don't know if she's planning 
to do Wild indoors or not, but 

1081
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,400
if she doesn't, then I think 
another US athlete, probably 

1082
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,640
Tamara Chapman could probably go
but but we have to see. 

1083
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,800
And the other thing that 
happened was there was a 

1084
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,960
pentathlon in Toran where the 22
Polish athletes were trying to 

1085
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,040
get into the rankings. 
And so it and, and then there 

1086
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,080
was 1 British athlete. 
So the three of them were trying

1087
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,840
to get into the rankings because
it's very weird. 

1088
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:56,720
The rankings for pentathlon are 
based on your a combination of 

1089
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,200
pentathlon and heptathlon. 
And so there's all these people 

1090
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,000
who haven't competed in a 
pentathlon in like 2 years who 

1091
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,720
are in the ranking spots. 
And it, it, it's a bit bonkers 

1092
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,920
and it's completely different 
event really between heptathlon 

1093
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,240
and pentathlon. 
But thankfully things worked out

1094
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,240
the these three athletes I think
got the three of the obviously 

1095
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,480
behind Anna Hall, the next three
best marks. 

1096
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:29,000
So that's Adriana Sulak Shubert 
and pulling Lagasca of Poland 

1097
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,240
and Abigail Paulette of GB and 
they all three of them managed 

1098
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,240
to push themselves into the the 
15 person, 16 person field for 

1099
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,560
for wild indoors. 
So so that was good news all 

1100
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,720
round. 
Although Abigail Paulette lost 

1101
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:45,640
out by one point for the win in 
the 8 hundreds. 

1102
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,400
So that was that was pretty 
dramatic as well at the end. 

1103
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,680
So yeah. 
But yeah, I was doing some 

1104
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,640
rankings number crunching. 
So you'll see. 

1105
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,240
My Twitter was was kind of 
covered in that this weekend, 

1106
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,760
but that was that was good fun 
to follow. 

1107
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,600
All right. 
Other last couple results to 

1108
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,800
talk about. 
Oregon won the DMR and at BU in 

1109
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,400
914. 
Great mark, but it needs a 

1110
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,800
little bit more context due to 
the fact that there was a pretty

1111
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,960
chaotic moment over in Arkansas 
a couple days before where 

1112
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:27,640
Oregon was disqualified after 
another Oregon runner who had 

1113
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,160
just run a leg of the race. 
What had that runner already 

1114
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:31,960
competed? 
I'm not. 

1115
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,520
I guess the clip doesn't start 
with enough contacts. 

1116
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,960
The one that ended up being 
shared on Twitter. 

1117
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,880
But there was a non an Oregon 
athlete who is not participating

1118
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,920
in what was happening on the 
track at the moment when this 

1119
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,600
happened was cheering on his 
teammate near the infield and he

1120
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:56,000
stumbled onto the track into 
lane 2 clipped the Oregon anchor

1121
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,720
runner Elliot Cook which also 
had some contact I think with 

1122
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,920
Washington and and forced them 
to run wide. 

1123
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:09,280
Washington end up winning and 
both Oregon squads, one I think 

1124
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:14,280
was ADNF and and the other one 
got DQ D so disaster. 

1125
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,720
But then what end up happening 
is they obviously had to get on 

1126
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:22,880
a plane, enter the meet at BU 
and jet set across the country 

1127
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,200
right before Blizzard, run the 
time and qualify for nationals. 

1128
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:33,360
And yeah, kind of crazy. 
Maybe teaches a lesson not to 

1129
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,200
run alongside and onto the track
while the race is happening. 

1130
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,120
It is good to be supportive of 
your teammate, but although it 

1131
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:47,480
wasn't intentional, it did end 
up costing the runners who were 

1132
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,760
on the track. 
Oregon. 

1133
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,680
It was an Oregon on Oregon 
crime, which kind of kind of 

1134
01:07:53,680 --> 01:08:01,400
makes it even funnier when they 
just posted this video and it 

1135
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,480
was something about like when 
you get knocked down, you get 

1136
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,320
back up again. 
Essentially, if if, if it was a 

1137
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,000
meme, the guy fell off his own 
bike and then got it got right 

1138
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,920
back on. 
And yeah, so it's it's it's 

1139
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:21,200
weird because that's where we're
at with the NCAA is you can get 

1140
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,680
a a a do over if you happen to 
have the kind of money that 

1141
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,319
Oregon has. 
Like if this was a small, 

1142
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:30,319
smaller program, that would have
been it just what happened in 

1143
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,319
Arkansas. 
But instead you're Oregon. 

1144
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,439
You can, you know, call the 
athletic department right back 

1145
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:39,000
up and say we need to, you know,
get on a plane to Boston this 

1146
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,840
weekend and then get it done. 
And I think maybe the guy who 

1147
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:47,760
impede it, like was the reason 
behind the whole, you know, 

1148
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,600
thing. 
I think he might have been part 

1149
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,200
of the relay in in Boston. 
So it ends up getting a happy 

1150
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,880
ending. 
And yeah. 

1151
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,479
I just wanted to be a fly on the
wall when Jerry Schumer had the 

1152
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,439
post post race chat with his 
athletes in Arkansas. 

1153
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,640
That would have been great fun 
to watch. 

1154
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:11,880
Yeah, there was. 
Villanova ran a fast DMR as well

1155
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,960
over in Philly. 
It's getting closer to March, 

1156
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:20,080
which is Marco Langan time, so 
stay tuned for for more on that.

1157
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:25,520
Parker Wolf ran 12:59 first time
to get under 13 minutes. 

1158
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:29,000
Abdi Abdi Hamad Nur, I think 
paced that one and took the 

1159
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,920
first mile out and was it for 
10. 

1160
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,399
It was like a bit aggressive and
Parker was alone for a lot of 

1161
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:39,720
it. 
And I think it's, you know, it's

1162
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:44,399
not a result that wows people 
anymore just getting under 13 

1163
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,200
minutes, but it's a good sign of
things. 

1164
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,920
I think you put him in a, in a 
race with competition, he ends 

1165
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,640
up running a little bit faster. 
There's a number out there that 

1166
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,400
I think he's like, he's only 
ever lost to Graham Blanks once 

1167
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:04,720
and he's like maybe 5 and 1, 
seven and one against Graham at 

1168
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,720
all times. 
And Graham is a what is he? 

1169
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,360
He's a 1248 guy or something 
like that. 

1170
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:17,280
So I'd expect Parker to be up, 
you know, a little quicker come 

1171
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,160
outdoor season. 
But this is a good sign of 

1172
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,640
things, not a great sign for 
Woody Kincaid, who ended up 

1173
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,400
getting lapped in that race and 
ended up running 1330. 

1174
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:33,320
You know, I anytime I start to 
have doubts about Woody, he pops

1175
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,560
out a performance that forces me
to change my mind. 

1176
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,280
And I'm starting to wonder if, 
like, you know, with someone 

1177
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:45,920
like Grant Fisher testing the 
roads, when Woody will give the 

1178
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:50,880
half in full more of a shot. 
He ran NYC half last year, I 

1179
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,360
think, but it wasn't anything 
all that spectacular and 

1180
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,760
obviously I think gets 
overshadowed by how Connor ran 

1181
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,920
on the day. 
But yeah, it's an interesting, 

1182
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:03,920
it's an interesting spot to be 
in. 

1183
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,360
I think because he's his 
teammates, right? 

1184
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,160
His training partners are 
running out of their minds. 

1185
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,520
Yeah, exactly. 
And yeah, we haven't seen the 

1186
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,160
best of Woody for a couple of 
years now, which is a real shame

1187
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:18,080
because it was always fun, so 
fun watching him a race and have

1188
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,600
that kick at the end of races, 
even if he was like a lap 

1189
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,920
behind, he'd catch most of the 
field. 

1190
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:29,800
And yeah, we haven't seen that 
from him recently, which is, you

1191
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,520
know, maybe, maybe injury, maybe
other stuff, I don't know. 

1192
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,120
But yeah, it'd be really good to
to see him find. 

1193
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,360
And and I think this is the 
thing, like we've always known 

1194
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:44,680
that like running long and hard 
is not his spot, but he's able 

1195
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:49,000
to after running 9 1/2 K, he's 
able to kick right. 

1196
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,400
And that kick is better than 
pretty much anyone else's kick. 

1197
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,920
So if the race is slow enough, 
he is devastating in that final 

1198
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,200
lap. 
And I don't think we've had the 

1199
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,080
chance to see that. 
And I don't know if you know the

1200
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,640
way the road racing is going now
with the way the times are and 

1201
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,680
it's just all about how quick 
can you go at a crazy pace? 

1202
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,760
Is that going to be his scene or
not? 

1203
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,960
I, I hope that he'll find the 
right spot for himself. 

1204
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,520
And because I think we we'd love
to see more from him because 

1205
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,080
he's always just such fun to 
watch. 

1206
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:29,440
At the same meet, Sam Ruth runs 
743 moves to #4 on the U18 all 

1207
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:34,320
time list behind Brian Masal and
the likes of Yomi Kagelcha. 

1208
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:41,280
That puts an end to his summer, 
I guess technically season of, 

1209
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:46,600
of racing here in the States. 
And he goes back home to New 

1210
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,040
Zealand after learning a whole 
lot, I think and totally 

1211
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:54,200
rewriting the U18 and U20 record
books. 

1212
01:12:54,400 --> 01:13:00,600
You know, I think what now he 
owns every Oceana U20 indoor 

1213
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,360
record from 800 to the to the 
3K. 

1214
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,680
So All in all, another good 
performance by him. 

1215
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,360
He didn't, he didn't end up 
winning that race, right? 

1216
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,000
He was the guy from Arkansas, 
right? 

1217
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:18,680
Yes, yeah, yeah, it was him. 
Yeah, so good showing by Sam 

1218
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,720
Ruth. 
And yeah, I think that takes us 

1219
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:26,240
into we'll do a light little 
sort of touch on USA and the 

1220
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,400
reason. 
OK, so we've gotten this far an 

1221
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,280
hour and 10 minutes into the 
podcast without bringing up 

1222
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,320
maybe the most stunning 
performance of the weekend. 

1223
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:41,680
And that came at the Osaka 
Marathon where it's Ethan Shuley

1224
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:47,560
has just run the 7th fastest 
American marathon. 

1225
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:52,680
He ran two O 7 and totally came 
out of the blue. 

1226
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,840
No one knew who he was before 
this. 

1227
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:02,320
He was a 211 guy back in before 
this past weekend and maybe in 

1228
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,000
the year 2019 you're like, oh OK
211. 

1229
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,400
He's probably one of our top 
marathoners. 

1230
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,600
But at this point there's a slew
of 211 people. 

1231
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,000
But the dude trains like an 
animal. 

1232
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,520
He runs 100 and 48150 mile 
weeks. 

1233
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:25,160
He lives out in Japan studying 
at film school and he ran at 

1234
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:29,400
BYU. 
He was still in he was at school

1235
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:34,120
at the same time as Connor and 
Clayton and Rory, but only ever 

1236
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:39,920
raced in a BYU kit Once injuries
derail, things had to take 

1237
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,400
again. 
Maybe he's the Alyssa Liu 

1238
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,960
example of of marathoning where 
he had he took a long, long 

1239
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:52,040
break and he's only back to 
running at this capacity in the 

1240
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:57,800
last three years or so and 
tested the ultras and the longer

1241
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:02,200
stuff that didn't work and 
finally managed to be able to 

1242
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,240
handle the marathon. 
And now here he is popping off a

1243
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:10,720
random two O 7. 
And the race was aggressive. 

1244
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,600
I think I was, I was following 
along via the Japan running News

1245
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,320
Twitter account and it was a guy
who like took this thing out at 

1246
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:23,560
two O 5 pace. 
And he was, it was the Japanese 

1247
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,760
guy had like all these little 
titanium little patches all over

1248
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,000
him and he ended up fading 
pretty bad, but still ended up 

1249
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,680
running two O 9. 
But yeah, so the reason why we 

1250
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,840
haven't discussed Ethan Shuli as
much is because I'm interviewing

1251
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,800
him for the podcast right after 
this. 

1252
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,080
And so we'll share his full 
story in his own episode. 

1253
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:51,000
So stay tuned for that. 
But yeah, that was that was a 

1254
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,040
good one. 
And who knows what he could do 

1255
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:58,840
on a on a, on a course with 
among top Americans. 

1256
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,440
I guess we'll find out in 2028 
when he lines up for the US 

1257
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:06,920
Olympic Trials. 
Another another former BYU guy 

1258
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,560
who's good at the marathon. 
Who would have thought? 

1259
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,640
All right, let's move over this 
week and we've got Tokyo 

1260
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,240
Marathon taking place. 
What, what stands out to you 

1261
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:17,560
about these fields? 
Breed. 

1262
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,760
Yeah, I mean, I think the men's 
side probably isn't isn't as 

1263
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,440
much at at a top end, but 
there's a few interesting names.

1264
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:25,720
I mean, I think Alexander 
Matisse, Timothy Kipling out 

1265
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:30,080
probably the two headliners, 
Kipling out, the two O 255 guy, 

1266
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,000
Matisseau London, former London 
Marathon winner, two O 311 guy. 

1267
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:39,400
But then we've got the likes of 
Salomon Barrega who's 2O5IN in 

1268
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,320
Seville last year. 
And so again, interesting to see

1269
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,400
how his sort of track pedigree 
translates and and can he keep 

1270
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,200
on improving. 
Mukhtar Edris, also former 

1271
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:54,720
multiple world champion on the 
track, who ran two O 559 in 

1272
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,240
Boston for I think 50 got in 
Boston. 

1273
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,160
So he had a had a reasonable 
start to his marathon career. 

1274
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,200
So again, you know, he might be 
figuring out the distance as 

1275
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,440
well. 
We've got Cam Levins, we've got 

1276
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:11,720
Sugar Osaka doubling back after 
his very impressive performance 

1277
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,040
taking Japanese national record 
not all that long ago. 

1278
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,640
And then we have Tokyo bronze 
medallist Ilyas Iwani as well, 

1279
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,320
going for what I assume will be 
a QuickTime. 

1280
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:27,400
So that that's the men's field. 
And then on the women's side, 

1281
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:30,800
actually it's quite interesting.
It's quite a deep field, or 

1282
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,600
rather it's quite a high. 
Like in terms of you've got 

1283
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,120
Bridget Koskai is the headliner,
but you've got the Chicago 

1284
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,680
winner. 
From last year, Bahrain's. 

1285
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:48,560
Best Bahrain's, but you've got 
Howie Facer who won Chicago, 

1286
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,640
you've got Satima Cabela who won
Tokyo last year, and you've got 

1287
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,440
Rosemary Wanjiru who won Berlin 
last year. 

1288
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:58,680
So you got 3 actually, of the, 
the big major marathon winners 

1289
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,680
lining up, they're probably not 
the more like household names 

1290
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,360
who are all kind of turning up 
in London, but they're the 

1291
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,800
others. 
So, so that's a pretty, pretty 

1292
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,520
good field. 
And then Sarah Halls also 

1293
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:15,080
running this race and there's an
interesting debut from Kenya's 

1294
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,640
Grace now a winner who's who's 
quite a talented track runner. 

1295
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,240
So again, interesting to see 
what what she she might do. 

1296
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,240
Yeah, considering how well 
Bridget Hodges I ran in Sydney, 

1297
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:30,520
I or Shanghai, actually, I'm 
curious to see how she'll do on 

1298
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,840
the the Tokyo course. 
It's a it's a flat fast course 

1299
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,560
and they typically get good 
weather around this time of 

1300
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,040
year. 
And she would probably be the 

1301
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,840
the favorite. 
But how we face it, that was a 

1302
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,720
breakout run in Chicago where 
she ran 214. 

1303
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,240
So yeah, I'll probably wake up 
and find out the results to this

1304
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:53,800
one. 
I got to check out what the time

1305
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,680
zone difference is for this, but
they should be good races. 

1306
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,760
I've been enjoying following Cam
Levin's Instagram and seeing all

1307
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,200
the clips that he's put 
together. 

1308
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,400
He looks like he's fit and ready
to go. 

1309
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:10,000
All right, high level thoughts 
on USA Indoors cuz Kyle and I 

1310
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,720
might jump on the mics. 
And of course, you're invited 

1311
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,560
too. 
Preet to preview USA Indoors 

1312
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,200
later this week. 
Once we start to get some 

1313
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,920
entries, there are some events 
that are lacking in depth and 

1314
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,920
then others that are pretty 
strong. 

1315
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,600
Who are the absences that are 
scratching your head right now 

1316
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:34,600
as you kind of looked at the 
entries as of again Monday at 

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01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:39,120
5:00 in the afternoon? 
So women's 60 meters is probably

1318
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:44,480
the most bizarre one, right? 
We know how good US is in the 

1319
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:47,760
sprints. 
But this year there's only one 

1320
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,920
woman who has broken 710 from 
the USA, and that is Josh 

1321
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,120
Shears. 
She is on the entry list, but 

1322
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,920
there's no one else. 
And there's only 17 entries. 

1323
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,040
And it's bizarre. 
And like, yes, I know Dennis 

1324
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,240
Mitchell's group don't run the 
60. 

1325
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,280
And so there's obviously a big 
set of absences there from, from

1326
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:12,360
America's top sprinters, but 
there's a whole load more and 

1327
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,040
of, of top American sprinters 
who can break 710. 

1328
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,960
And none of them have even done 
it this year. 

1329
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:22,320
Like not even people in the 
NCAA, let alone like, you know, 

1330
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,520
people. 
It's it's very strange. 

1331
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,240
And I don't get it. 
Like, what are you doing? 

1332
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,240
If you're an American sprinter 
in 2026? 

1333
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:35,360
What better things have you got 
to do given it's world ultimate 

1334
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,920
since September and you, you 
know, there's no USA to peak 

1335
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,200
for. 
There's no like I, I, I don't, I

1336
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,200
just don't understand it why no 
one is, is kind of running and 

1337
01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:48,760
yes, there might be a few people
are injured, etcetera. 

1338
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,960
But but I doubt that was really 
surprising to me. 

1339
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,960
I think it's you got to there's,
there might be a difference in 

1340
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,480
the training when it comes to 
the 60 and 100. 

1341
01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:00,320
Because in the past, if we 
looked at sort of like the top 

1342
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,680
American women in the 60 who 
have gone to world indoors, they

1343
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,640
don't necessarily translate to 
being the best 100 meter runners

1344
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,760
come outdoor season. 
And so sometimes people just 

1345
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:15,000
have a much more refined focus 
on the on the 100. 

1346
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,680
Maybe people are getting ready 
for teaching them, using this 

1347
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,000
time to teach themselves how to 
run 3 rounds in a day and get 

1348
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,200
stronger. 
The other thought I That's it, 

1349
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,040
Yeah, I thought. 
I thought it was enhanced games.

1350
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,560
Probably not, but. 
It's what I don't get. 

1351
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,480
So Dina Asher Smith said to me, 
I want the reason why I'm doing 

1352
01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:39,360
World Indoors for the first time
in like 10 years is because I 

1353
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,120
want to practice running three 
runs in a day, which is what you

1354
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:46,320
do at World Indoors. 
And the other thing is the likes

1355
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:50,960
of Noah Lyles, Amy Hunt have 
taught us over the last kind of 

1356
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,840
couple of years, like for those 
people who are better at the 

1357
01:21:54,840 --> 01:22:00,440
200, practice your 60, get good 
at the 60, and that's how you 

1358
01:22:00,440 --> 01:22:04,240
medal or get gold medals, you 
know, and. 

1359
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:05,720
And so who are you calling out 
here, Preet? 

1360
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,600
I, I mean, I, this is the thing.
I don't know who's injured and 

1361
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,880
who's not, so I'm not going to. 
But The thing is the US has so 

1362
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,120
many sprinters, right that I 
know Aliyah Hobbs is our 

1363
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,360
probably our best 60 runner and 
she's been struggling with 

1364
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:19,640
injury for a couple of years 
now. 

1365
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,160
But you know, there is just so 
many sprinters that I, I, I 

1366
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:29,240
don't really, I'm just surprised
not to see any more people on, 

1367
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,920
you know, in even racing. 
Like it's not even like not 

1368
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,240
enter the USA. 
They just haven't been racing 

1369
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,600
and racing quick outside of that
either. 

1370
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,800
So there's something. 
But yeah, I mean, the other ones

1371
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,640
are the four hundreds. 
The four hundreds are a little 

1372
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,280
bit weird as well. 
There's no sign of USA swept the

1373
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,120
podium last last year at Wild 
Indoors, but there's no sign of 

1374
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,320
Chris Bailey or Jacory 
Patterson. 

1375
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:56,040
Indoor merchant Brian Faust 
obviously is on the entry list. 

1376
01:22:56,040 --> 01:23:02,360
But but yeah. 
And then, and then the women's 

1377
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:07,760
400 is even even more like 
bizarre, giving the depth of of 

1378
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:09,760
Team US as 400. 
Meter. 

1379
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,040
It's like Britain Wilson ran so 
well and she's not in it. 

1380
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,120
She's she's racing. 
Yeah. 

1381
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:15,160
She's. 
She's racing. 

1382
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,680
She is, yeah. 
It's her Paris peoples. 

1383
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,920
And yeah, it is literally a very
limited. 

1384
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:26,320
Elizabeth Whitaker. 
No Bella Whitaker, obviously no 

1385
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,360
Sydney. 
But you know, even then it's, 

1386
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:35,280
yeah, it's a very, very limited 
field, the 16 entries and yeah, 

1387
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:39,440
Bretton, Wilson, Rosie Effieong,
Paris Peoples, Shamir, Little, 

1388
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:44,680
Bailey, Leer. 
But yeah, there's there's very. 

1389
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:47,520
The sprinters are letting you 
down for it, I could see. 

1390
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:50,920
I'm just, I'm just baffled, 
right? 

1391
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:56,000
I'm just baffled in terms of, 
yeah, the depth that the team FA

1392
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:00,320
has in these events. 
You just, you'd expect some of 

1393
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,920
the people who've made teams in 
the last couple of years or been

1394
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:06,400
on the fringe of the teams, like
more of them to be racing here 

1395
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,000
because as I say, I don't don't 
see what better they've got to 

1396
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,320
do with their time. 
I just went and pulled up the 

1397
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:20,360
women's 100m final from USA's 
last year and yeah, I think no 

1398
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,920
MJW, no Kayla White, no Leah 
Hobbs, no. 

1399
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,520
TT Terry is Tamari Davis 
entered. 

1400
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:33,240
No Jasis is the only one in No 
Tamara Clark, no Janet Prandini,

1401
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,920
no English gardener. 
That was your 100m final. 

1402
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:38,720
And then if you go into the semi
finals, that's where you start 

1403
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,720
to get some NCAA athletes and 
stuff. 

1404
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:45,800
And so yeah, it is kind of crazy
that for a country with an 

1405
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:50,040
embarrassment of riches come the
100, no one's really turning up 

1406
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,920
for this one. 
So hey, good chance for 2 

1407
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,120
British medals in the 60. 
Well, I mean, I think I think 

1408
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,600
that was that's actually I 
didn't, I forgot to mention the 

1409
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,400
16 torrent because we had only 
the 15th, 16th person ever to 

1410
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:08,720
break 7 seconds in Zane Abdoso 
of Italy and van der Baiken of 

1411
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:13,000
Luxembourg national record, of 
course, every time she runs but 

1412
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,320
seven O 1, which is which is an 
impressive time. 

1413
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,680
And and Amy Hunt with APB of 
seven O 4. 

1414
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:23,800
So yeah, definitely the 
Europeans are showing up. 

1415
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,320
So who's is the British team? 
Dina and Amy. 

1416
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,840
That will be the British team, 
yes. 

1417
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:37,840
OK, over in the distance events 
for USA indoors, I thought that 

1418
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,960
we would get a double out of 
Nikki and the 15 and the 3K. 

1419
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,600
But it looks like Nikki has 
scratched from the 3K only in 

1420
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:51,240
the 15 in the 15. 
It's going to be I think one of 

1421
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,400
the must watch events. 2 spots 
on the line. 

1422
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:57,920
You got Ellie Saint Pierre, 
Sinclair Johnson, Nikki hills, 

1423
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:02,720
Emily Mackay, Elise cranny 
making the trip over Gracie 

1424
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:06,560
Morris, Heather McClain, Margot 
Appleton, Danny Jones. 

1425
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:11,000
That's I think the most stacked 
race of the whole entire 

1426
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,800
weekend. 
I didn't expect Ellie to double 

1427
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:20,640
with the 15 and 3K, but it turns
out that that's going to be the 

1428
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,240
case. 
Barring that, there isn't any 

1429
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:23,960
scratch over the next couple 
days. 

1430
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:30,920
In the women's 3K, it is Ellie 
Saint Pierre, Elise Cranny, 

1431
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,840
Emily Mackay, Lexi Holiday 
Lowry, No Shelby Houlihan. 

1432
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,480
But I think I did see some 
report that I think Shelby will 

1433
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:43,160
be focusing more on running the 
10, although I don't recall 

1434
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,800
saying her name when I was 
reading off that long list of of

1435
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,480
names. 
So I think that that's the plan.

1436
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,880
So stay tuned for that. 
And then on the men's side, 

1437
01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:00,720
men's 15, Cole Yard, Cooper, 
Andy Powell has a whole squad. 

1438
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,360
Is Hobbes running the 153K? 
No. 

1439
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,480
No sign of Hobbes? 
I thought he'd shut down his 

1440
01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:09,240
indoor season as well. 
Didn't even have a niggle or 

1441
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:13,080
something. 
Yeah, men's 3K, you have Nico 

1442
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,120
versus Cole. 
That's where that's going to be.

1443
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,440
Must watch. 
But then, of course, then you 

1444
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:23,120
got Ethan Strand Yard and a 
goose also in the mix, Sam 

1445
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:24,880
Gilman. 
Made this thing Yard, Yard said.

1446
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,080
He's definitely doing the 15. 
He wasn't sure if he was going 

1447
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,520
to double so he may scratch but 
but he's definitely doing the 15

1448
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,920
so. 
So really good races, I think 

1449
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:38,040
all around taking place in 
Staten Island this weekend. 

1450
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,640
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1455
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1457
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:10,200
But I think that does it for 
this week in track and field. 

1458
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,160
So again, that's USA this 
weekend, Tokyo Marathon, 

1459
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,080
actually the USATF Half Marathon
Championships also taking place 

1460
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,200
out in Atlanta, 3 spots on the 
line for world road running 

1461
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,200
championships. 
So there's that. 

1462
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:31,120
But yeah, so we'll see you guys 
next time. 

1463
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,560
Be sure to check out the 
interview with Ethan Shuley. 

1464
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,360
And that does it for this week 
in track and field. 

1465
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,120
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