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All right, it is October 13th. 
I'm Chris Chavez. 

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I'm Preet Majethia. 
And on today's episode, we're 

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unpacking the 2025 Chicago 
Marathon where Jacob Kaplimo 

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made Chicago his playground, 
essentially running his second 

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career marathon and clocking 
A2O2 23, the second fastest time

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in Chicago Marathon history, 
decimating an elite field. 

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That was pretty strong. 
And I think like the marquee 

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matchup fizzled out after 20 
miles. 

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We'll talk about that. 
Then of course, Connor Mance 

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took down a 23 year old American
record with his two O 443. 

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On the women's side, we had 
Howie Facea breaking 2:15 for 

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the first time in her career and
recording her first ever World 

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Marathon major victory. 
It sounds like there was more 

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than 54,000 runners in Sunday's 
race, so the running boom is 

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alive and well. 
So the 2025 Chicago Marathon 

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absolutely delivered Preet. 
Let's let's start over on the 

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men's side since that was the 
the marquee race this year with 

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the absence of Ruth 
Chepingettich due to her 

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positive test in the provisional
suspension. 

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No, you know, I guess it would 
have been her her attempt to try

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and win her 4th in five years or
something like that. 

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As a result, the women's elite 
field was kind of lacking a 

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heavy hitter at the top, but not
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We had defending champion John 
Career entering this one very 

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clear with his intentions about 
trying to run under two O 1. 

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He has floated the idea out 
there about trying to take a 

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stab at Calvin Kipten's world 
record and coming off of his 

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victory at the Boston Marathon, 
he even has a case to him being 

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the world's best marathoner up 
until this weekend. 

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And then you on the flip side, 
you had Jacob Kipolimo, who 

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obviously renowned for his track
credentials plus his incredible 

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56 minute half marathon world 
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And on top of that, he nailed 
his marathon debut with a runner

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up finish in London in two O 3. 
So when you got these two big 

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stars going head to head, talk 
about two O 1 being in the 

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cards, the weather cooperating. 
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Saturday, they'd be going out. 
In 6030, it was it was on. 

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And then on top of that from 
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pace groups. 
And so Conor Mance found himself

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in a group that was going to try
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at a 62 minute half marathon 
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But overall, I think on both of 
these sides, these races got out

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so hot that it was really fun to
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times were because, you know, 
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in Chicago. 154 pace. 
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two it was. 
It was 154 and then like 5K they

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ran 1358 which is 157 pace. 
Chicago could get wonky and then

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on top of that they caught a 
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miles made everyone get out 
fast. 

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Even Connor Mance afterwards 
said that like after mile 1, you

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look down at your watch and you 
see a 430 split. 

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You know, you got to kind of 
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you don't want to leave the race
in those in those early miles. 

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So, you know, at the half 
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career they go through in 6016, 
which was much, you know, almost

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14 seconds faster than what they
wanted when Kelvin Kiptem hit 

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the halfway point, I mean, 21 K 
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So they were faster than that. 
The way we have to remember the 

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world record splits and how they
compare to how Sunday's race 

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unfolded is that Calvin Kipton 
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negative split the second-half 
of Chicago in 5948 or something 

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like that. 
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Yeah, he dropped a was it his 
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So it was just that's where 
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obviously these guys did it in 
the first 5K whilst he did it so

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much later on in the race after 
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And and I think every time, you 
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going, oh, the world record 
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They're on world record. 
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where it's going to all fall 
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Calvin Kipton dropped his really
QuickTime. 

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It's good because it gives us 
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But at the same time, you know, 
if you really know, then you 

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know that it's just going to be 
all over at that point unless 

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unless, you know, things are 
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they've got to have a lot more 
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But I do wonder if that first, 
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two, you know, Connor said it in
afterwards, you know, he was 

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worried he was a bit zapped. 
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did slow down in those last 4-5 
miles quite substantially from, 

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you know, the winner, Jacob 
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the way down, even Connor as 
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Like they were running a lot 
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whether that did take something 
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legs a little bit. 
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that blew up completely. 
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first 2 pace groups, I think 
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was 5 people, right? 
There were five guys that went 

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out, Kiplimo Career, Timothy 
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fifth guy, I can't remember who 
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were five of them. 
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up anywhere near the front of 
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Some of them, I think some of 
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And so like if we look at just 
sort of what the splits were and

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how they compared, this is just 
so funny to look at because it 

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was such a bold first half. 
Kiptem 5K1426. 

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Kip L1358. 
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Kiplimo 2825. 
Kiptim 15K43O9 Kiplimo 424021K. 

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We said already it was 6048 for 
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for Kiptim was 112 O 4 Kiplimo, 
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1/25/31 for Kiplimo. 
And I'm going to stop there 

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because that's where just before
that honestly is when Kiplimo 

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ends up making a move, a little 
bit of a surge on Career that 

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essentially breaks the defending
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Career had already sort of 
started making a quick 

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acceleration, so that before 
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be Kiplimo versus Career. 
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everyone had kind of studied the
playbook and knew that John 

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Career was going to go AT30K. 
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mile 20, that's when Kiplimo 
puts a surge on and he kind of 

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has to fake it as it like when 
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going to go and holding it for 
as long as you can because you 

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are also blowing up your own 
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Like you said, Preet, I feel 
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evenly split first half and it 
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time ends up being a little bit 
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who ends up going on to win the 
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Because what, what, what ends up
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ahead, breaks career goes 432 at
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22450 at 23455 at 24. 
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minutes five O 5 at mile 25 and 
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That 35 to 40K stretch was a 
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we saw from the way Kelvin 
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on and run 2 hours and 35 
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And so when Kip Limo surged 
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that point, we're starting to 
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mile splits toward the finish 
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And he still has a sexy, like, 
estimated finish time of two 

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hours and 17 minutes, 2 hours 
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seconds, 2 hours and 17 seconds.
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and he's off pace by mile. 
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22. 
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And in all honesty, for Kip 
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I, I think on the day it's APB. 
So you check two boxes, right? 

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Like the two hours and 35 
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something that he can start 
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held that pace for a good chunk 
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It just, he didn't close it. 
So you got to go back to the 

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drawing board and see how do you
paste the first half of the race

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to make it a bit more attainable
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shot. 
But in order for him to win this

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race, he needed to shake off 
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He accomplished that with the 
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hung on for the victory. 
Amos Capruto kind of also lucked

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out because there's I think one 
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point. 
And and like there was a dropped

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out or there was enough guys 
behind Kip Kip limo that dropped

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in in in addition to career that
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sudden you had the likes of Alex
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Camour, Mohammed Essa like in 
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carnage for a podium spot. 
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executed race for a fast time, 
but it got the job done for the 

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victory and in and for Kaplimo 
in his second go round, he 

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made-up for the mistake that he 
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cover the move and ended up 
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So I think we have plenty of 
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Jacob Hipolimo's prospects as a 
marathoner versus how we've seen

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that transition go for someone 
like Joshua Shepta guy who is 

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who was, you know, super 
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world record holder, but then 
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26.2 mile distance. 
Hipolimo, I believe is what, 

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2425 years old on paper. 
And like, I think, yeah, he's, 

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he's still, you know, young to 
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And I'm excited now. 
Yeah, very exciting. 

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One thing that I found that's 
really fascinating is Sebastian 

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Saway ran almost identical 
splits to Jacob Polybo in Berlin

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a few weeks ago. 
He was 3/6 the half in 6016 and 

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finished in two O 216. 
So only 7 seconds quicker, but 

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very, very similar race pattern.
And you know, that was a hot day

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in Berlin. 
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probably if we're if we're still
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marathoner in the world right 
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I still give Saway the edge. 
He's running He. 

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Won the head to head too. 
He won the head to head in in 

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London. 
He obviously ran, you know, this

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2/02/16 in Berlin, but also on, 
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completely solo as well, which 
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So, you know, I, I think he's, 
he's probably slightly ahead, 

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but you know, as we know, 
Kaplimo's much newer to the 

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game. 
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into his marathon career either,
to be fair, although he's a bit 

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older sort of age wise. 
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be fascinating to see how 
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And I think we always have to 
remember, you know, this was 

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still spectacular, 7th fastest 
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It, it, it's still pretty, 
pretty darn spectacular. 

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And, you know, we have to kind 
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that he's managed to to 
transition so successfully. 

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It essentially remove the freak 
of nature that was Calvin Kiptom

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from your brain and then all of 
a sudden you're looking. 

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You're talking about someone 
like Jacob Kiplimo having a 

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better transition and 
progression into his early 

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stages of his marathon than the 
likes of Eli Kipchogi. 

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And I think we were just 
spoiled, right, by the riches of

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talent that Kiptom had with 
running 2O one in his debut. 

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Or it was like, yeah, two O 1, 
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And then that was it for him. 
That is just a generational 

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talent. 
And if you remove that from your

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brain and, and, and assume that 
he was never, you know, a factor

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or or never around, then I think
we're very much, we were even 

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more excited by Kiplimo and the 
massive steps that he's taking 

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in this early, this early part 
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So I'm assuming we're going to 
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SAW in London next year. 
They were 1-2 in April and I 

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could see them running it back 
If John career is really serious

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about trying to run, you know, 
under two O 1. 

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I mean, he's going to have to 
try and pass up on the massive 

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paycheck that they give the 
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return and defend the title. 
I don't see that happening. 

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And so, you know, when we're 
going to talk shortly about 

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Conor Mann's, like, one thing 
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sometimes you fall into the trap
of, like, where you end up 

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racing all the time. 
And like, if you have a 

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lucrative payday awaiting you in
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blowing your opportunity to go 
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unless you want to try and 
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So we'll, I'm excited at the 
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going to get Kiplimo versus SA 
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make that happen. 
I I presume. 

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surprised at that. 
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a Chicago or a Berlin, to be 
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something about Rotterdam too 
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sub 2. 
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it was pretty his manager, but I
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think there's that and I think 
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control. 
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a whole load of Pacers or 
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running that race. 
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a different, different set up. 
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yeah, Kipton was was a freak of 
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more than once. 
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of it was the 7th. 
He made Kipling the 7th fastest 

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all time. 
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performance in or 11th fastest 
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Kiptum, so you know, it, it's 
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crazy impressive. 
And Salway is getting himself up

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there. 
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He's got 3 performances sub two 
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So that's that's, that's really 
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right now. 
It's funny, I was on one of 

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these flights because I like to 
do some of my writing for my 

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book on flights. 
I went back and I revisited like

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this interview that I had with 
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Bekele versus Kipchogi in in 
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define like who is the greatest 
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you can have Olympic gold like 
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one's run as many times under 2O
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And later on he ended up 
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an anti doping violation. 
I believe it was EPO. 

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the number of sub two O 4 
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and all that kind of stuff to 
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Who's got the most sub 2O2 
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And it's like, you know, for 
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Saway's getting up there. 
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Sub 22, Well sub 2O3 he's got 
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I'm saying sub 2O2. 
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O2 plus the two Yeah the 
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4. 
Give them four. 

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Kip, Kip, Tim and and Kipchoge 
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2O2 more than once if you're 
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Sub 2O one more than once? 
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Sub 2O2 more than once. 
If you're going sub 2O2, there's

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only been 21 performances in 
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Sub 2O. 
Sub 2O3. 

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Yeah. 
So, so that's pretty. 

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That's also a pretty elite, 
elite club. 

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I like setting the bar AT2O2. 
That then it's a very much, it's

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a much smaller club at that 
point. 

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Yeah. 
And then I think, yeah, yeah. 

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Booth Kipchogi, you've got 4 
performances. 

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Saway can try and match, catch 
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also got a secure Olympic gold. 
At some point you got to go out 

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and represent your country and 
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some actual medal hardware 
Olympics. 

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Not I like, I don't necessarily.
Like this world champion, the. 

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Caliber of of a World 
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really equate to to the Olympic 
gold medal. 

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But anyway, all right. 
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He hung on for two O 354. 
I think. 

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I'm sure his race at some point 
he was just sort of like this is

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just suicidal to just try and 
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If I just like reel it back a 
little bit, I'll be able to hang

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on. 
Alex Masai is ends up on the 

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podium which very interesting 
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Day before the race, he shows up
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presented by Hoka at Happy 
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And he tells Eric Jenkins and 
Paul Huff Mahoney that the goal 

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was to try and run under two O 6
and that they've been doing a 

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lot of work, you know, to nail 
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And then he ends up just 
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the two guys work together and 
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up putting 7 seconds. 
I think it is on Mance. 

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By the end of the in the final 
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up, you know, at 25.2. 
So Alex Masai had just like the 

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tiny bit more of a harder close.
And I think what he also got as 

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a result, not just a spot on the
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think, to the fastest marathon 
performance by an NCAA athlete. 

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Someone brought that up in one 
of the Instagram comments. 

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Then I started scrolling 
through, yes, I mean, you got to

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do quite a bit of scrolling to 
get to a 2O four marathon. 

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But there were, you know, a slew
of Kenyans and Ethiopians, a lot

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of people who have never run in 
the NCAA. 

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But I believe the Hofstra alum 
Alex Messiah is the fastest NCAA

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marathoner. 
And then Conor Man's is just a 

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couple seconds behind for Conor.
I mean, we're stoked. 

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We're going to have him on the 
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a time. 
I'm sure my text is among, you 

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know, 1000 texts that he's 
received since yesterday's race.

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And it's just a validation of 
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And, you know, kind of I would 
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2025, starting with the half 
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Houston, nearly getting the win 
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an even faster performance, not 
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and then battling for a podium 
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fourth in 2:05 at the Boston 
Marathon. 

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Fantastic performance there. 
It's a while until we see him 

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again. 
He gets he he does start to do, 

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you know, some other Rd. racing 
throughout the summer. 

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Yeah, but then no I'm I'm just 
going through the progression of

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his season and then to come out 
and run two O 443 it's fantastic

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A mission accomplished to get 
the record. 

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He he announced that he was 
after this thing back in June 

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before the training block even 
started. 

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So it's great. 
But The funny thing is and we 

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haven't recorded with Connor 
yet. 

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I know for a fact that those 
episodes that we've done in the 

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past when it's after the Paris 
Olympics and everyone in, you 

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know, who's not named Conor 
Mance would probably be thrilled

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with the fact that it's like, I 
just finished 8th at the Olympic

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Games, You know, great big 
performance. 

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But he was so critical of 
himself. 

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And like, I remember getting 
some comments and some messages 

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being like, man, like he should 
celebrate this a bit more. 

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I'm sure he celebrated it, this 
American record and finally 

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getting it yesterday. 
But there's a part of him I'm 

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predicting before we we talked 
to him that he's kicking himself

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over 1 being just shy of the 
podium again by just a couple 

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seconds. 
And then two, the fact that he 

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didn't run under 2O four because
he was very quiet about what his

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projected pace was going to be 
even up until the press 

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conference day. 
Like he wouldn't tell Paul Hoff 

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Mahoney at all, Like what what 
pace group he was going at. 

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And then during the meeting, I, 
you know, put it out there that 

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it was the assignment was 62, 
which meant 2O4 flat. 

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You know, they in the early 
miles, they go out a little 

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harder than that. 
But through the half they were 

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just a tad over it. 
But he hangs on to rent two O 

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443. 
I think there's part of Connor 

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that thinks that there's more in
the tank. 

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And listen, it get it, it, it 
will get him hungry for the next

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1 and that's kind of great 
because we he's not going to 

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rest on his laurels and he wants
to take even more chunk of time 

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off of this. 
But I'm particularly very 

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excited because, you know, it's 
similar to Jacob Piplimo. 

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If the race is executed a little
bit differently, maybe it ends 

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up being a little faster. 
But regardless, Kiplimo got the 

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win. 
Man's got the American record. 

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I think those are the two big 
boxes to check. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
I mean, Connor Manse, I mean, 

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he's had such an impressive 
sequence of results from from 

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everything you just listed, 
listed out. 

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And you know, you can't be, you 
know, help but be impressed 

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given, you know, so many 
Americans, you know how big the 

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marathon is in the USA and how 
like no one's been able to do 

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anything even close to what he 
has just done. 

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And we know they've been some 
athletes that didn't quite have 

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the right race and didn't have 
the advantage super shoes or 

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whatever who. 
Or they ended up in that Boston,

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NY trap like. 
That exactly, Yeah. 

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And there were a few athletes 
like that. 

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But Even so, you know, you would
you would think that someone 

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would have gotten close or 
someone would have gotten closer

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than they have to to that 
American record and and or at 

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least, you know, you know, shown
us more signs of it. 

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I mean, yes. 
Ryan Hall, Galen Rupp, like, you

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know, yes, those are the 
athletes that we probably put on

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that list. 
But you know, it is it's just to

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actually go out there and do it 
in the way that he's done it 

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with the sequence of results 
that he's had over the last 

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couple of years is is mind 
blowingly good. 

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And, you know, to stay healthy 
for that long to, to as a 

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marathoner, he hasn't quite, 
but, you know, healthy enough to

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actually be able to go out there
and, and, and perform each time,

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right. 
And you know that there's always

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going to be that question of, 
you know, as a marathoner, one 

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day your luck may well run out, 
right? 

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That, that is, that is, that's 
always, you know, you always 

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have good days and bad days in 
the marathon. 

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He's had a lot of good days. 
He's had five good days in the 

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last two years in the marathon, 
which is, which is amazing. 

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And, you know, we really hope he
keeps it going because, yeah, we

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want to see what more he can do.
And I think the good thing is 

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now that he has the American 
record, next time out, if he's 

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going for a fast race, he can 
swing for the fences, right? 

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He doesn't have to worry about, 
oh, I if I risk going out a 

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little bit too hard, I might 
miss the American record. 

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And, you know, that's a big 
payday. 

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That's a big kind of box to 
check. 

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You know, he's got that now. 
So I do think that that gives 

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him a bit more freedom. 
Maybe next time he goes for a 

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quick time and yeah, who knows, 
maybe he's he's back in Boston 

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trying a podium or even win in 
next next spring. 

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Yeah, that's the that's the part
of it's like, OK, so now what? 

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And I think that I, I saw a clip
on social media that they asked 

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sort of like Connor, what's 1 
race you want to run? 

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And he said the Tokyo Marathon, 
not necessarily knowing if 

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that's a hit for next spring. 
But now that he has gone fast, 

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like you wonder if he's got the 
itch to just like continue to 

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explore how fast you can go or 
if he's going to prioritize 

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getting on that podium at a 
world marathon major like like 

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Boston, where it's a bit more 
prestigious. 

437
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,800
There's probably bigger money 
being paid out to him to show up

438
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,160
to that race. 
So he's got a tough decision in 

439
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,800
that sense. 
But like you'd kind of mentioned

440
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,560
before, the next thing up is 
cross country, which is even 

441
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,680
more exciting because I think 
he'd said at the post race press

442
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,760
conference that the buzz is 
getting out about just the 

443
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,440
potential American stars lining 
up for this one, the likes of 

444
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Grant Fisher, Cole Hawker, Ethan
Strand and Parker Wolf or Nico 

445
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,320
Young out of the Mike Smith 
Group also being interested in 

446
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,760
it. 
How many is it per team that end

447
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,480
up doing it? 
Can't rather. 

448
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,680
It's four or it's 5, isn't it? 
Yeah, it's, isn't it 5 at well, 

449
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,120
it's four or five. 
But do we feel the team of seven

450
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:22,000
and five score? 
No, no, I think it's only three 

451
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,120
or 4 scores. 
So it's yeah, it's a bit of a 

452
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:25,960
different, different scoring 
dynamic. 

453
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,360
But yeah, I yeah, I'll check it 
out. 

454
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,280
Well. 
Yeah. 

455
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,760
And so then he's got to take a 
little bit of a break and then 

456
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,240
from there start getting ready 
for. 

457
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,960
It's not even actually it's 
Tallahassee, which is going to 

458
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,720
be. 
It's a quick course. 

459
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,600
He's familiar with it as well. 
I think one of his titles came 

460
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,880
there and that's where US Cross 
or actually, no, that's where 

461
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,560
world is going to be. 
US Cross is in December, 

462
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,760
December 6th out in Portland, 
OR. 

463
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,400
And yeah, it's going to be a 
very cut throat race if all the 

464
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,360
the people who've been thinking 
and talking about it, Grand 

465
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,480
Blancs, another one, the US has 
a potential to field an All Star

466
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,200
team for for this one. 
And it should be very exciting. 

467
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,440
Some good people are going to be
left off the team. 

468
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,680
Some good people are going to be
left with the probably the But 

469
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,000
no, actually there's a, there's 
a separate race for the I 

470
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,360
believe at the US Championships,
there's going to be a separate 

471
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,360
race for consideration to be 
selected to the mixed relay 

472
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,040
where it's the 2K relay option. 
That's where you'll see some, 

473
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,720
some Mylers and some other 5K 
specialists going for it. 

474
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,680
But the five K 10K people will 
definitely be showing up for 

475
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:51,960
that for the, the big race. 
So yeah, that's that's Next up 

476
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,360
for Connor and he has the 
potential to be the US is top 

477
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,280
guy potentially. 
It's it's it's, it's a toss up 

478
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:07,440
Connor Graham, Nikko Grant, 
that's already 4:00. 

479
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,880
And then give me who? 
Are the NCAA champion is this 

480
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,960
year? 
He knows, yeah. 

481
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Yeah, could be. 
Or Casey Clinger. 

482
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,400
I know he had a bad day in 
Chicago, but yeah. 

483
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,200
He yeah, he said he was thinking
about it, yeah. 

484
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,800
Yeah, no, there's tons of 
potential there, lots to get 

485
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,080
excited about as we pour over 
some more results from the men's

486
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,000
race. 
Another quick note on Connor's 

487
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,080
performance. 
He gets the North American 

488
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,840
record back in American hands 
after a little bit of back and 

489
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400
forth talk with Rory Linklater 
in the pre race press 

490
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,640
conference. 
Rory ends up going two O 649 

491
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,760
finishes in 9th place, moves him
to #2 on the all time Canada 

492
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,000
list and we'll see if he holds 
there. 

493
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Ben Flanagan getting ready to 
make his debut this upcoming 

494
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,080
weekend at the Toronto 
Waterfront Marathon. 

495
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,040
I'll be there on part of the 
broadcast alongside Jeff 

496
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,600
Whiteman and Christa Duchesne 
and then Eric Jenkins will also 

497
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,040
be integrated into the 
broadcast. 

498
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,520
You can catch it on the City of 
Smag YouTube channel. 

499
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,600
So stay tuned for more on that 
this weekend and you'll see more

500
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,920
of that on the cities Meg social
pages. 

501
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:29,760
But yeah, so the United States 
takes back the record after Cam 

502
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,520
Levin's held it for a couple 
years. 

503
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Zuhair Talbi ends up in 11th 
place in two O 727. 

504
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,960
A notable result because 
although the flag next to him in

505
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,680
the results right now is 
Morocco, he is in a transition 

506
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,400
period right now switching his 
allegiance from Morocco to the 

507
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,480
United States. 
So he can't represent the United

508
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,600
States internationally, 
otherwise he would have been 

509
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,040
American number two across the 
finish line. 

510
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,240
He's that that transfer of 
allegiance should be wrapped up 

511
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,200
before the 2028 US Olympic 
Marathon Trials. 

512
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:14,120
So now add Talby into the mix as
another potential team contender

513
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,160
behind Connor Clayton. 
You know, we've got fast 

514
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,520
performances out of Matthew 
Rickman. 

515
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,400
You know, earlier this spring, 
he had to pull out of this race.

516
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,960
And then we had BIA Sambasa a 
year ago. 

517
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,240
He's going at it in New York. 
So still lots of time to figure 

518
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,040
out who the movers and shakers 
will be in 2028. 

519
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,680
But Talbi's won. 
And then on top of that, the day

520
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:45,640
before the race, we all learn 
that Wesley Kip 2, the 2021 NCAA

521
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:52,160
5K champion, is also has he's 
already completed his allegiance

522
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,560
switch from Kenya to the United 
States. 

523
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,680
And he was up there with Connor 
in the early stages of the race 

524
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,320
as well, making it a little bit 
interesting that maybe all of 

525
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,640
this pre race hype and focus 
around Connor could have been 

526
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,680
easily transferred over to him 
and he could have stole the 

527
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,960
show. 
But he ends up having a little 

528
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,800
bit of a rough one and ends up 
in 2/09/02 a rough one by his 

529
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,800
standards because his PR is a 
little bit faster. 

530
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,360
But you know, a solid first 
marathon as an American. 

531
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,680
Ryan Ford, who ran 208 flat in 
Boston, ends up 15th and two O 

532
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,160
937 just signed a contract with 
on and is now part of the on 

533
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,520
athletics club as they build out
a little bit more of a roads 

534
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,360
team out in Boulder training 
alongside the likes of Joe 

535
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,120
Clecker. 
And then one meant name that was

536
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,280
mentioned earlier in this 
podcast is the one and only 

537
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,520
Galen Rupp, who you said is a 
little is a what if of sorts 

538
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,600
when it comes to just like what 
if he would have stayed healthy 

539
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:03,480
in the years following 2000? 
I would say 20. 

540
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,440
So he made the Olympic team in 
2020 right at the US Olympic 

541
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,320
marathon trials. 
And then from there, that's sort

542
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,800
of like when he doesn't have a 
great one in Tokyo and kind of 

543
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,800
spirals from there when it comes
to his back injury, hip injury, 

544
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,480
his form apparently was falling 
apart and he had to totally like

545
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,040
revamp himself as an athlete. 
And so Sunday was more about 

546
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,600
just like getting one on the 
board. 

547
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:37,440
Two O 941 sub 2/10 at 39 years 
old, I would say solid 

548
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:44,840
performance by him, enough to 
keep a 1% chance of hope that 

549
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,880
this that he could be a 
contender in 2028, which he 

550
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,159
intends to go through. 
You're kind of laughing because 

551
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,440
I'm sure by your standards, 
you're just thinking it's like, 

552
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,840
man, these Americans love their 
legends and like or their stars 

553
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,000
and want them to hold on for as 
long as possible. 

554
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,960
No, no, it's not even that. 
I mean, one of the fun 

555
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,080
storylines with Galen Rupp, he 
probably doesn't even know about

556
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,320
this storyline. 
But CJ Albertson went on a pre 

557
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,760
race interview with with Dez and
Cara and said the one thing I 

558
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,840
want to do in this race is beat 
Galen Rupp. 

559
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,440
And obviously he, they were 
actually, they ran together for 

560
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,080
actually probably 6070% of the 
race, which is quite interesting

561
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,400
in and of itself. 
Not that we got to see it on the

562
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,760
broadcast, but then obviously CJ
faded and, and Galen kind of got

563
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,480
him by, by some margin at the 
end of the day. 

564
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,720
But you know, that, that that 
was a pretty, I thought that was

565
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,640
a fun, fun storyline, 
particularly because they they 

566
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,320
ended up racing together for 
most of it. 

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Yeah, that was a nice little 

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Galen up, Andrew Collie Collie 

607
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,160
being healthy enough to run two 
O 943. 

608
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,680
That's a that's a good sign of 
things. 

609
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,920
One of the pre raised storylines
that you and I focused on was 

610
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,760
the fact that like, oh, maybe we
are on the cusp of discovering 

611
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,480
who the 3rd at I Stone Marathon 
star will be for 2028. 

612
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,680
And we pointed at Casey Klinger 
because we see him in the videos

613
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,680
that, you know, Connor and 
Clayton post of, you know, their

614
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,760
workouts and Klinger ends up 
having a bad day, ends up in 

615
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,160
206-216-0520 fourth place. 
That doesn't even qualify you 

616
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,240
for the US Olympic Marathon 
Trials. 

617
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,880
The top BYU guy not named Connor
Manson, This one ends up being 

618
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,120
Aiden Troutner. 
He ends up after that. 

619
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,480
He finishes 18th in his marathon
debut. 2/10/23. 

620
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,960
Pretty solid, just ahead of CJ 
Albertson by 15 seconds. 

621
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,840
So one thing I learned from this
one is that, you know, we've 

622
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,440
seen the likes of you know, I, I
look at a name like Haftu 

623
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,400
Knight, who maybe throughout, I 
think, I think on on social 

624
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,880
media attempting to try and run 
two O 6 and he had a rough one 

625
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:07,120
in this one ends up running 
221139 and he had AI think A2O8 

626
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,600
performance or two O 9 
performance earlier this year. 

627
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:16,240
He, maybe this is just me now, 
but like everyone's fast. 

628
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,320
And so now we just don't have to
like I, I think we're going to 

629
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,720
get very blurred when we see a 
2O7 performance and immediately 

630
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,440
throw them into like, oh, this 
person's like the, the, our 

631
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,080
second or third best marathoner 
behind Conor Manson. 

632
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,360
I think it's sort of more we 
should be focusing on how high 

633
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,080
up in these races people are 
finishing. 

634
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,320
And so that's where like even 
though Clayton Young probably 

635
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,480
doesn't have as fast of APB as a
Matt Rickman does. 

636
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,080
I actually, I might be wrong on 
that. 

637
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,800
I think I'm wrong on that. 
I think right now, like Connor 

638
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,720
and Clayton are still are 1-2 in
our hypothetical power rankings 

639
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,920
and in that third spot is still 
super wide open for someone to 

640
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,400
step in and emerge as like the 
contender for that third spot. 

641
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,960
We're still a long ways away 
from 2028, but it's not too 

642
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,960
early to start thinking about it
and talking about it. 

643
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,240
Yeah. 
I mean, I think I think what's 

644
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,200
an interesting trend that we are
seeing, we saw all these BYU 

645
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,840
guys come out and run. 
I think there's a lot more guys 

646
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,080
coming at the NCAA now who are 
saying, well, look, you know, 

647
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,560
getting like unless I'm really, 
really, really good on the 

648
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,120
track, it's really, really tough
to make these teams. 

649
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,200
But I can make a go of it on the
road, right? 

650
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,280
And because even the top NCAA 
guys are struggling to make 

651
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,720
teams. 
And if you're kind of a bit 

652
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,840
further down the the field in 
the NCAA, but you're kind of a 

653
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,560
you know, an all American, you 
know, coming out and, you know, 

654
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,960
you can go to the roads and, you
know, some of them turn into to 

655
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000
odd beaters, right. 
And that's that's kind of I 

656
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,080
think that's a route that that 
more and sort of like, I think 

657
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,400
what was interesting is it may 
have started a little bit with 

658
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,320
Yassin Abdallah, who popped out 
and ran to 11 at the Olympics 

659
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,200
off off a track season, which is
pretty crazy. 

660
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,920
And I think, I think more and 
more people are kind of looking 

661
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,880
at it now and, and going, yes, 
let's go to the marathon early. 

662
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,720
So, yeah. 
And I think we, we saw quite a 

663
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,440
bit of that, that today, you 
know, at Chicago. 

664
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,960
And I'm I'm sure we'll see more 
of it to come. 

665
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,560
Yeah. 
So we'll just stand by as we 

666
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,360
kind of continue to pour over 
who will be more names added to 

667
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:35,000
our watch list for 2028. 
Yeah, not a ton of marathon 

668
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,440
trials qualifiers on the on the 
men's side, you know, from the 

669
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,560
lead field in this one. 
All right, let's move on over to

670
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:49,560
the women's side, which let's be
honest, like had a little bit of

671
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:57,280
if if we were to grade the 
caliber of this field overall B 

672
00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,640
right. 
I would say like in in general 

673
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,920
coming into this. 
One, yeah, it was not a vintage 

674
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,240
field because it didn't have any
big names. 

675
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,200
It had a few sub 20 women, but 
it's up to 20 women, but it 

676
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,480
didn't really have, you know, it
didn't really have anyone with 

677
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,840
that. 
You know, you always have 

678
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,520
normally at these marathon 
majors, one or two people wears 

679
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,040
two 14215 kind of flashy PRS. 
We didn't really have that 

680
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,640
either. 
So it was wide open and it was, 

681
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,160
it was also a small field as 
well. 

682
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,280
It was only like 1718 women in 
that, in that field as well, 

683
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,600
which which also I think London 
had the same as well. 

684
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,480
And, and I kind of think like, 
why not have a few more people 

685
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,000
in the field, right? 
Like, you know, I, I don't see 

686
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,000
why you, you have such a small 
elite field, but in any case, 

687
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,280
you know, that's what they had. 
And yeah, we, we got an 

688
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,600
interesting race. 
So off the back of that. 

689
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,240
Yeah, when you mention is like, 
oh, we had a couple sub 220 

690
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,400
athletes, it's like great. 
We used to like get excited for 

691
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,560
sub 220 athletes in in 2015. 
Like nowadays it's like you got 

692
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,280
to move that bar or you said sub
218 athletes, you got to move 

693
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,920
that bar over to sub 216. 
I think at this point to really 

694
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,600
be like, oh, we've got X amount 
of heavy hitters. 

695
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,200
This also comes as a consequence
of New York having a very, very 

696
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,800
strong field. 
So people opted to go there. 

697
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,640
Berlin didn't have a deep field 
either because, you know, heavy 

698
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,840
hitters like Paris or cheer, 
cheer and take us to Safa opted 

699
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,120
to go to the World Championships
to try and and get medals there.

700
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:38,680
They both successfully came away
with with medals so that a 

701
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:42,040
caliber athlete opted to go run 
for free at the World 

702
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,880
Championships. 
And maybe there's going to be a 

703
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,280
couple, I mean, and even the 
Valencia fields, but the 

704
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,560
Valencia fields stronger. 
Than this yeah, yeah, pretty 

705
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,880
stacked. 
Yeah, definitely stronger than 

706
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,360
this. 
But I think that is like a 

707
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,800
couple of people coming back off
the world champs as well, so. 

708
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,560
Yeah. 
So Chicago wasn't a priority for

709
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,320
too many, but then for the 
people who did end up there, how

710
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:09,000
we face it capitalized upon it 
being wide open and ends up 

711
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,040
holding on to run a really 
strong race. 

712
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,640
And two, 1456, that puts her at 
number. 

713
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,120
What is it five all time? 
Yes, fifth all time. 5th all 

714
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,520
time. 
So maybe we're just on the cusp 

715
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,160
of learning about a new star. 
We're actually going to have a 

716
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,880
piece on Howie faced a running 
in the lap count on Wednesday. 

717
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,040
I believe we Hannah Bornstein 
was in Chicago and was the 

718
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,000
interpreter for Howie faced and 
the Ethiopian athletes on site. 

719
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,120
And so she didn't necessarily 
get the chance to interview 

720
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,280
Howie, but had some 
conversations with her and then 

721
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,160
also got to see a glimpse of 
like what it's like for an 

722
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,240
athlete like that to then all of
a sudden become at the center of

723
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,280
the spotlight and a world 
marathon major champion. 

724
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,800
So look out for that later this 
week on cdsmag.com and in the 

725
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,440
Lap Count newsletter. 
Bergetu Alamu ends up finishing 

726
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:14,520
second. 2/17/18 Tanzania's 
Magdalena Shaury who was up 

727
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,960
there for a good portion of the 
race and takes. 30. 3. 

728
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,840
She was not on any start list 
that we ever saw before the 

729
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,600
race. 
She just appeared and she was 

730
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,200
then running at the she was one 
of two athletes at the front of 

731
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,520
the whole race, the most of it, 
which was which was rather 

732
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,720
bizarre. 
So, But yeah, obviously meant 

733
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:37,800
that our preview kind of I think
there was Dessay was the fifth 

734
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,320
fastest athlete in the field and
she didn't show up. 

735
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,880
But again, we didn't really get 
any of that information. 

736
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,720
We just saw the field on on the 
day. 

737
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,000
Yeah, I'm even, I'm going to, I 
need to go check and see. 

738
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,920
Like was was how he faced it 
even on the Sidious mad graphic?

739
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,520
Or did anyone even pick her in 
the prediction contest? 

740
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,520
They they did, they did, but we 
we didn't mention her in our 

741
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,320
preview, which was a big miss on
our part. 

742
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,520
Eric, but but, but Eric, I think
for the win, I think Eric picked

743
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,120
up for the win exactly. 
So I think, I think we're good 

744
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,240
there. 
Eric saved the saved the day for

745
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:11,360
us. 
Yeah, on it in all I see this is

746
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,480
where it pays off to have a 
pretty big team because it's 

747
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:19,360
like someone, yeah, top American
on the day who is Natasha Rogers

748
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,080
in in 6th place. 
She was in a a little, she 

749
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,400
played it a little bit more 
conservative in the first half 

750
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,440
than Dakota Propane, the US 
Olympian who was vocal about the

751
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,160
fact that she she thinks she 
wants to try and run under 220, 

752
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,080
didn't quite have it, had a 
rough second-half and ends up 

753
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,120
running 2/24/21. 
Natasha Rogers gets her by 

754
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:47,080
almost a full minute. 2/23/28 
for Natasha Rogers, that's APB 

755
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,360
her. 
This is her first world marathon

756
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,200
major. 
She had a stinker of a debut at 

757
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,440
the US Olympic marathon trials, 
I think, switched coaches 

758
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,560
because she was with Alistair 
Craig and Amy Craig for the 

759
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,800
trials and then switched back 
over to Steve Magnus for Nagoya.

760
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:10,600
Goes out to Japan, runs 223 
there and then takes a little 

761
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,880
bit of time off in this race. 
So Natasha Rogers, who's I 

762
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,840
believe 33. 
Or something. 34, yeah. 34 

763
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,000
coming together as a as a 
marathoner, especially at a time

764
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,040
when we're you know the even the
we we talked about the men's 

765
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,720
side about how it's wide open 
for a third spot. 

766
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:33,920
The women's side, I think is a 
little bit more wide open when 

767
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,320
it comes to overall like who 
could be our team in 2028? 

768
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Like Emily Sisson is going to 
give it a go in in New York, her

769
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,360
first marathon since the the 
Paris Olympics. 

770
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,480
You see, let's see what the 
American record holder has. 

771
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:56,560
But then from there, like, it's 
again wide open and we see some 

772
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,920
new names pop up like that 
Aubrey friend, the way, you 

773
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,680
know, McKenna Miller, Maggie 
Montoya, like they've been 

774
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,920
around. 
Franthway is actually the 

775
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,480
youngest of the bunch. 
And this is only her second 

776
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,960
career marathon. 
She ends up finishing 13th and 

777
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,680
2:28. 
But they're similar to the men's

778
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:16,920
side. 
A lot of people taking to the 

779
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,240
marathon a bit younger instead 
of sticking, sticking it out in 

780
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:23,640
the track, actually, nothing 
about it. 

781
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,960
It's like who's going to be on 
our marathon team in 2028? 

782
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:31,240
I mean, we're probably due for 
Wayne Colati's debut in 2026. 

783
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,760
I would think there's no 10K at 
the World Ultimate 

784
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,600
Championships. 
I would think that debut could 

785
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,400
happen as early as Boston for 
her. 

786
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:48,080
You have Wayne and Sharon 
Lochetti, 2 Under Armour stars 

787
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:54,200
duking it out, one in her debut 
and one defending her title. 

788
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,320
Could be a lot of fun, unless 
Wayne wants something flat and 

789
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,480
fast to RIP her debut, which 
she's had a lot of success in 

790
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:09,080
Houston, so maybe. 
But Houston doesn't dish out as 

791
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,240
much money and when you're the 
American record holder at the 

792
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,680
half marathon, I'm sure you 
could command a nice appearance.

793
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:20,200
Fiat races. 
So yeah, so that was the woman's

794
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,400
race in. 
My general, I wanted to, I 

795
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,160
wanted to shout out Mary and 
Googie Cooper, who I wrote off 

796
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,080
because she hadn't run a quick 
time since 2022. 

797
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,400
So and comes and proves me, 
proves me wrong completely. 

798
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:35,000
Don't doubt Steve Cram, who is 
our coach. 

799
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,240
Oh, really? 
Wow. 

800
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
It's very like you interviewed 

801
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,120
her, I think when you were in 
Kenya. 

802
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,600
So there there is an interview 
with that you've done with her 

803
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,080
on the Serious Mag podcast feed 
in the archives there. 

804
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:50,520
But she's got a fascinating 
story about all the the activism

805
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,000
that, that, that she does off 
the back of the death of Agnes 

806
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,920
Tirop and, and the the domestic 
violence and trying to support 

807
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,840
women in Kenya in, in that 
sense. 

808
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,640
But also, yeah, she hadn't run 
faster than, you know, she'd 

809
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,640
been running 220 fours and 220 
fives for the last three years. 

810
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,320
And, you know, she that comes 
out and pops out a personal 

811
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,960
best. 
Runs 2/19/26 for 5th place in 

812
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,760
this one. 
So that was a hugely impressive 

813
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,760
performance. 
Lois Chemnum who came forth, 

814
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,800
she's debut to 18, that's pretty
solid debut for for her. 

815
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,560
So who knows how she could 
develop as well. 

816
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,720
And we mentioned Magdalena 
Shorey, who's who's a very 

817
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:38,800
intriguing character who debuted
in the marathon in 2017 

818
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,200
basically to go to the World 
Championships, DNF, the World 

819
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,280
Championships, didn't run 
another marathon for about 5 

820
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,200
years and is now running 
marathons again. 

821
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,880
But yeah, so yeah, it was, it 
was, it was. 

822
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,000
There were lots of interesting 
storylines. 

823
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,320
Callie Hoga Thackery, who I 
mentioned as a Brit, was hoping 

824
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,800
to run sub 220 and she didn't 
have a great day and and had 

825
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,400
some pains and sort of 
acknowledged afterwards that 

826
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,040
maybe doubling back off the 
World Championships wasn't you 

827
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,520
know, it was a tough kind of she
didn't manage to kind of settle 

828
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,560
back down after that and and 
kind of get the right rest and 

829
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,160
recovery and and everything for 
everything to come together for 

830
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,160
today if it for Chicago. 
And I think the same fate sort 

831
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,840
of befell Edugeu Taye, who we 
were kind of hyping up before 

832
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,640
this race. 
And credit to her. 

833
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,320
She went out and finished the 
race running like 10 minute 

834
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,880
miles for the last few miles 
after going out in 67. 

835
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,040
That was pretty crazy, but yeah.
You know, you hate to see that 

836
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,120
because like and I think like, 
whoa, same thing was Emily 

837
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,240
Venters, who had her own sort of
like struggles in this race, 

838
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,320
ends up running like 2-30 
something and no. 

839
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,480
She ran 3:26, 3/26 was 231. 
Yeah. 

840
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,360
Suddenly we want to finish. 
Yeah, she posed. 

841
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,400
She got confused. 
By her watch, Yeah, yeah, that. 

842
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:08,040
You have to wonder if part of 
that is from the way that 

843
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,600
organizers structure the the 
contracts for these athletes. 

844
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,160
And when you're in your debut, 
like you can't collect unless 

845
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,600
you cross the finish line. 
Like that sucks because anything

846
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,640
can happen on race day, as we 
saw. 

847
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:28,200
And for as you guy, you tie like
she was walking toward the end, 

848
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,160
10 minute mile pace. 
Like I had a friend of mine who 

849
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:37,840
like who ran 2:49 and she said 
she passed her at the end and 

850
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,400
was like kind of just so 
confused as to what was 

851
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,440
happening. 
So you what what you hate to see

852
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:49,040
is that an athlete has a bad day
and then on top of that risks 

853
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,440
aggravating or making any sort 
of injury worse by having to 

854
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,040
hobble all the way to the finish
line, Especially an 

855
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,880
international athlete like that 
where like I'm sure being in a 

856
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,840
big city like Chicago is already
enough of a culture shock. 

857
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,360
Like to try and pull over on the
side of the road is somewhere 

858
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,920
along the course is scary 
enough. 

859
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,440
But not knowing where you are, 
struggling to speak a language 

860
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,280
and then to instead just all 
right, your only option is to 

861
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,520
keep going all the way to the 
finish like that does suck. 

862
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:24,320
So you, you we're hoping that 
she can make a, you know, a 

863
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,360
steady recovery from whatever it
is that, you know, Hanford her 

864
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,240
on Sunday. 
But then on top of that, like 

865
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,960
she's gonna look forward to like
the biggest PR in the next one, 

866
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,920
like a headline for the next one
should be as you got 35 minutes 

867
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,360
off of her personal best. 
Yeah. 

868
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,920
Yeah, yeah, or it'll be funny 
when they list the next elite 

869
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,280
field by PR and she's all the 
way at the bottom again. 

870
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,920
This this time she's at the 
bottom because his debut. 

871
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,360
Next time it'll just be, you 
know, 253. 

872
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,400
Is that what it was? 
25135 all. 

873
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,160
Right. 
I'll give her the extra credit 

874
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,880
for those two minutes. 
So yeah, I mean, I think that 

875
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,600
was the the Chicago Marathon. 
The next major on the calendar 

876
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:12,320
is the New York City Marathon. 
Sidious Mag will have a 

877
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,120
broadcast this upcoming weekend 
of the Toronto Waterfront 

878
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,600
Marathon if you're looking for 
some fun races to watch. 

879
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,440
And then But Pre isn't Amsterdam
also this weekend? 

880
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,400
Yes, so Amsterdam's this weekend
you've got Joshua chapter guy 

881
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,240
running, you've got Sergey 
Getichu who's the two time 

882
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,640
winner and Gabriel guy who has 
2A2O3 PR. 

883
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,800
So it's it's a decent field as 
well. 

884
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,920
It was meant to have Tamara 
Tolah, but he he pulled out. 

885
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,840
But they also have Muktar 
Address, who's obviously another

886
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,360
Track World champion as well, 
who debuted in Boston with a 2O5

887
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:50,280
earlier on there. 
So yeah, it's, it's a really it,

888
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,800
it could actually be quite a 
good race. 

889
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,560
So yeah, worth worth following 
along to that. 

890
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:02,920
Yeah, All right, let's kick it 
to well. 

891
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,480
So there was the meet that took 
place last week, the last track 

892
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:12,120
meet of the year, Athos. 
I went to the Times Square day. 

893
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,200
It was cool. 
It was different. 

894
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,800
I mean, I'm sure when you have a
lot of money and you can shut 

895
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,920
down in Times Square, like you 
can put on a bit of a show 

896
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,360
there. 
It was cold. 

897
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,480
I'll say that about the two days
that they that the meet ended up

898
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,120
happening was that it was very 
cold. 

899
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,280
You could see that from, you 
know, all of the jumpers holding

900
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,760
on to a jacket or a towel or 
something to keep themselves 

901
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,240
warm up until the last second 
when it was time to go down the 

902
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:42,880
runway. 
But made for some awesome photos

903
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,080
and really like we kind of 
predicted like people were 

904
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,520
stopping by and watching for a 
couple minutes and then going 

905
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,440
about their day. 
They really trotted out tons of 

906
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:02,360
VIPs from, you know, Max Siegel 
was even there. 

907
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,760
Who else is there? 
They had some higher ups from 

908
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,640
from the brands were on site. 
Then kind of a little bit more 

909
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,440
of like the celebrity touch 
happened for the track meet day,

910
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:20,160
which was on on Friday. 
And yeah, if you gauged off of 

911
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,000
social media, it's clear that 
like, they created a product 

912
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:29,680
that was meant to be presented a
little bit more flashier than 

913
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,800
your typical track meet, had a 
little bit more star power. 

914
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,360
You're going to get great 
reviews from the athletes 

915
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,360
because they're getting paid 
nicely to be there and have fun 

916
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,840
and be celebrated. 
And but the performances don't 

917
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,320
line up with the amount that 
they're being paid for. 

918
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,720
You're being paid the most for 
probably like I would say in 

919
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:55,280
some cases, like your lowest 
effort race of the year, you're 

920
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,720
being paid to, you know, show up
and have fun. 

921
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,440
You could see that in the the 
long jump competition. 

922
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,880
This also could have been a 
consequence of like maybe they 

923
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,680
weren't used to that kind of 
runway or the temperatures of 

924
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,880
how cold it was. 
But I was standing there with a 

925
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,240
friend of mine, Kevin Liao, OG 
Sidious Mag Blogger who was in 

926
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,720
who was in town. 
And we were looking at the live 

927
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,880
results and then clicking on 
each one of the athletes and 

928
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,640
seeing what their seasons best 
was versus what they had jump. 

929
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,280
And it was way off. 
So. 

930
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,400
Tara was the only one who kind 
of showed out right. 

931
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,640
But then she jumped an equal 
world lead at the end, which 

932
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,240
was, which was pretty 
impressive, but. 

933
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,640
Yeah. 
And I think that that that was 

934
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,800
the ending that they had hoped 
for, for Tara to come up clutch 

935
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,760
at least. 
Like, yeah, on the first day, 

936
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:52,120
come up clutch on the final jump
to overtake Jasmine Sawyer's 

937
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,640
going into the second day of 
competition. 

938
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,680
But then even they're sort of 
like, you know, kind of. 

939
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,480
I made the point about just how 
last year's women's 100 hurdles 

940
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,800
competition was like a Mickey 
Mouse like race when it came to 

941
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,160
just the blatant false start by 
Jasmine Camacho Quinn and then 

942
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,360
still being crowned like the 
champion. 

943
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,560
This time around, it's like I 
thought the rule was top three 

944
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,280
would advance from the qualifier
and then compete on the second 

945
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,080
day. 
And then they had this instance 

946
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:29,000
where Jasmine Sawyer's mark from
the 1st jump was measured 

947
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,000
incorrectly and it stood for 
most of the competition. 

948
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,440
Well for the entire night until 
Tara overtook it on the final 

949
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,360
jump. 
And so then Jasmine Sawyer's 

950
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,560
goes to bed that night, I think 
thinking that she's going to 

951
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:50,720
compete on Friday as one of the 
finalists, only for the results 

952
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,520
to then be updated. 
And they totally scrap that 

953
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,680
first mark. 
And yet that bouncer, so that 

954
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,040
bouncer out of the top three, 
yet she's still got to jump on 

955
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,800
the second day. 
And if it's rules are rules, 

956
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,120
then it's like I think. 
Yeah, but I think there it kind 

957
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,560
of because they didn't do it 
straight away, it would have 

958
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,880
affected her, potentially 
affected her subsequent jumps. 

959
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,280
So I think when you have that 
sort of situation, that's when 

960
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,120
they advance people, which is, 
you know, it is what it is, but 

961
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,840
it, you know, yeah, it. 
But at the heart of it too, it 

962
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,640
just sort of like, it just kind 
of again, goes to show you can 

963
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,960
do whatever you want because 
this is this thing is not 

964
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,760
necessarily about performance. 
It's not made for the die hard 

965
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,600
track junk. 
You did obsess over numbers and 

966
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,080
we didn't end up getting any 
world records as we expected. 

967
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:45,000
It's October, and yeah, I mean, 
I can't even tell you like what 

968
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,840
some of the results were, aside 
from Keely running an impressive

969
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,640
156, I think it was. 
Yeah, I mean, I, I think, I 

970
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,800
think this was the thing, right?
We got the best performances 

971
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,680
from the athletes who'd had the 
kind of shortest seasons, Keely 

972
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,240
and Brittany Brown, right. 
Brittany Brown, you know, coming

973
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,360
back off off off her surgery and
stuff, had a slightly later 

974
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,480
start to a season and, and kind 
of has been building up and she 

975
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,640
obviously got got back to her 
best form. 

976
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,680
Keely obviously you know was 
ready to go out there and 

977
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,920
obviously without a pace of 
running 156 is is pretty solid, 

978
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:18,840
particularly given the 
conditions. 

979
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,000
So yeah, those were the best 
performances. 

980
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,960
I mean, I did really enjoy 
Goudaf, doing Goudaf and taking 

981
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,880
the first lap out in 60 in 60 
flat. 

982
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,920
And you know that that was kind 
of like tick job done. 

983
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,400
That's part of the fun. 
But but. 

984
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,280
But then on top of that, then if
you go and watch some of the 

985
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,800
interviews that were done 
afterwards, I think like 

986
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,680
Anderson got a couple and one of
them was like with Nikki, it was

987
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,520
just sort of like, I think at 
that point, just like the 

988
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,080
athletes know, it's like, all 
right, I'm mailing it in and 

989
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,120
like Nikki ends up running. 
It's 432, aren't they? 

990
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:56,600
432, yeah, way off again. 
It's like, then from there on, 

991
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,200
it's like 30 minutes after the 
race. 

992
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,200
Everyone's just having fun and 
that's what it's all about. 

993
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,240
It's just sort of like a big 
celebration thing. 

994
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,840
But one thing that did kind of 
come up since we recorded a week

995
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,600
ago was that there were these 
little hints being dropped as to

996
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,160
just like what the league that's
going to be forming from Athos 

997
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,040
could look like. 
They said more details are 

998
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,720
coming in at the end of the 
year. 

999
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,080
And I think in some interview, 
Alexis Ohanian said something 

1000
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,680
that he wants to see team Puma 
versus team New Balance versus 

1001
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:33,120
team Brooks versus team on. 
I don't I what are your thoughts

1002
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,280
on sort of like that sort of 
team concept? 

1003
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,400
Because then I do have just sort
of like I'll put my hand up as 

1004
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,200
being like, here's actually 
where I think that there are a 

1005
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,200
couple holes in the in the 
model. 

1006
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,920
I mean that that's not, I think 
that's certainly a good idea 

1007
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,160
because it pushes the brands to 
invest in it, which is where you

1008
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,800
get money, right? 
You save money. 

1009
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,360
I think fundamentally, 
fundamentally, The thing is here

1010
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,880
that this is a very expensive 
meat to put on, right? 

1011
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,360
Like doing it in New York, OK, 
yes, it was 36 athletes. 

1012
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,880
So it's sheer athletes and you 
have a normal meat. 

1013
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,160
But like, the way they treated 
the athletes like royalty, the 

1014
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,440
way they set things up, the 
lighting, the show they put on, 

1015
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,120
all of that stuff costs a lot of
money. 

1016
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,960
And I think it's the same kind 
of story we know, like here 

1017
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,720
Alexis Sahanian is there and 
he's putting fronting the money.

1018
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,120
But he openly said, you know, 
it's going to be 20/27/2028 

1019
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,120
before this thing starts making 
money at the earliest, right? 

1020
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,880
And I think that would have been
the same story with with Grand 

1021
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,520
Slam as well. 
Like doing something like this 

1022
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:40,120
takes a lot of investment and 
the return is uncertain. 

1023
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,360
So I think any way you can use, 
if you can use the brands to 

1024
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,560
say, look, the brands will push 
their athletes to compete. 

1025
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,600
That might be helpful in 
getting, you know, better 

1026
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,640
athletes and and getting without
kind of having to fork out the 

1027
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,720
full full on appearance fees or 
whatever it is, or getting at 

1028
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,600
least some support from the 
brands in in in buying into this

1029
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,120
whole thing. 
I don't think that's a bad idea.

1030
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,160
It's meant to be 3 meet kind of 
event. 

1031
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,040
I think the timing is still 
still like what I, you know, 

1032
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,720
struggle with, right, Because I 
think they're still saying after

1033
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,640
the season, right next year. 
Or is that changed now? 

1034
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,640
I don't know, but if it is again
I. 

1035
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,760
They struggled to fill the six 
person mile field. 

1036
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,080
They didn't fill it and they the
800 field as well. 

1037
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,160
When Mary morale pulled out, 
they they had a local athlete, 

1038
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,720
Emily Richards come in right. 
So it was kind of this. 

1039
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,960
Payday Emily Richards has gotten
at a meet in her entire career 

1040
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,480
for what? 
Was it like a 207 or something 

1041
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,000
like that? 
Yeah, 207, yeah, in the end. 

1042
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:42,160
But you know, like, you know, as
in if you can't fill, like, Can 

1043
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,400
you imagine, like if this was in
the middle of the season, you 

1044
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,120
had Keeley Hodgkinson, you know,
ready to run a 156? 

1045
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,480
Like everyone will be lining up 
for a spot in that race, right? 

1046
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,360
And and also like to be part of 
Athos. 

1047
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,000
I think there are so many 
athletes that would love to be 

1048
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,320
part of it, like being treated 
like royalty. 

1049
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,280
But obviously, like pretty much 
everyone was in their offseason,

1050
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,320
right? 
And they're on holiday. 

1051
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,880
They haven't trained in a few 
couple of weeks, you know, like,

1052
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,120
and they're not going to come 
and rock up to a race. 

1053
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:16,480
So you know that that is the 
challenge unless they can find 

1054
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,840
the right place in the season 
for it that, you know, otherwise

1055
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,680
it just becomes an 
entertainment. 

1056
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,960
You know, obviously we want it 
to be an entertainment product, 

1057
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,920
but it doesn't become in any way
about performance or 

1058
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,760
competition. 
And then so then that's where 

1059
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:35,520
sort of like the word league, it
gets a little misconstrued 

1060
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,720
because then it just, it should 
just be another series, right? 

1061
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:43,080
Like when or like like I put it 
up there as like the I keep 

1062
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:45,880
forgetting to what exactly it's 
called. 

1063
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:50,320
But the USA Gymnastics like Tour
of Champions that they do after 

1064
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,800
the Olympics. 
Like that's what this ends up 

1065
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:57,400
being if you are going to have 
to put it after the World 

1066
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:58,800
Ultimate Championships and 
stuff. 

1067
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:03,520
So it's hard to kind of keep 
those top athletes engaged with 

1068
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,440
the team model. 
I don't know, like, is it going 

1069
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,240
to be really all that exciting 
for a fan? 

1070
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,360
We, we've, we look at these, we 
do this for fun, like on the CS 

1071
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,360
Meg Slack and, and on the in our
text thread. 

1072
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,400
But we don't actually like end 
up making the graphic. 

1073
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,880
But Nike's still #1 when they 
have the most athletes, like 

1074
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,960
they still they, they have the 
most diverse cast of people from

1075
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,320
the field events to the sprints 
to the distance to the roads. 

1076
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:37,440
Like any single medal table. 
If you were to flip it to buy 

1077
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,360
brand, I think Nike is still way
on top. 

1078
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:45,120
And then it's Adidas and then it
probably Puma, New Balance or 

1079
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,600
probably like right after that. 
I have the medal table from the 

1080
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,840
Olympics, from the World 
Championships right here, which 

1081
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,520
is actually quite an 
interesting, quite interesting 

1082
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,040
read. 
Actually it's it's pretty cool. 

1083
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,360
And if you have one team, 
depending on how big these 

1084
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,760
things are, like, then you're 
going to run into just sort of 

1085
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:06,960
like, OK, Brittany Brown just 
had the best Athos in history in

1086
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,280
the two years, right? 
And it's back-to-back years now 

1087
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,560
where she's won the 100, She's 
the hundred 200 specialists. 

1088
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,520
Is she going to be the Nike 
sprinter on that team? 

1089
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,440
Or how many sprinters do you 
have? 

1090
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,600
Because then you're going to run
into the instance of like where 

1091
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,560
you got Melissa Jefferson 
Wooden. 

1092
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,440
Does Hoka have any sprinters? 
I don't know. 

1093
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,240
They have a couple, they have a 
thing, a couple nil people. 

1094
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:36,000
So like the Olympics doesn't 
change how brands approach these

1095
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,440
athlete contracts and whether 
they are incentivized or, you 

1096
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,600
know, the Olympic medal table or
the world championship medal 

1097
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,480
table has not changed how these 
brands prioritize where they put

1098
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,280
their money on the track. 
Like some of these brands have 

1099
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,280
never had sprinters or multi 
event athletes and all that 

1100
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,400
stuff because they've done the 
market research that says like 

1101
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,840
the XYZ, you know, athlete 
doesn't necessarily. 

1102
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,200
Say have, right, like some of 
the brands are, are running 

1103
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,520
brands and they just have like 
distance running shoes or or 

1104
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,160
whatever, right? 
So they don't really need or 

1105
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,960
want Sprint particularly want 
and they're not gonna make a a 

1106
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,720
product, right? 
So if you have if you are a 

1107
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,440
brand that doesn't have a 
Sprint's bike and you're 

1108
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,480
sponsoring sprinters, it's a bit
tricky, right? 

1109
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,840
But as we saw with ASICS, right?
Yeah, we saw with ASICS and the 

1110
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,160
Fred Curley situation, right 
that he didn't like a great like

1111
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,960
the the A6 shoes didn't agree 
with him and and he wanted to go

1112
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,600
back to running in Nike shoes or
or Puma shoes or whatever he 

1113
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,040
wanted to run in. 
And the medal table is 

1114
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:41,720
interesting. 42 medals for Nike,
33 for Adidas, 25 for Puma, 8 

1115
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:47,360
for ASICS, 4 for New Balance and
two for On and 0 for Brooks. 

1116
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,360
So is that going to change like 
any fans like Allegiance or 

1117
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,080
like, you know, decision to try 
and brought buy product or 

1118
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,440
follow a certain team when like 
I think you could pull that 

1119
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,120
medal table from Budapest from 
even the World Indoor 

1120
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,720
Championships. 
I'm sure like Nike's still on 

1121
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:11,680
top in that regard. 
They just have always, you know?

1122
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,400
They want to sponsor the most 
athletes, yeah. 

1123
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,840
Yeah. 
So like that's where sort of 

1124
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,120
like I think like the team 
concept ends up being of little 

1125
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,279
flawed. 
The Tracktown summer series of 

1126
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,319
2016 tried the city model and 
that didn't hit. 

1127
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:29,920
So I don't quite know how 
they're going to try and build 

1128
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,920
this. 
And then if we even take a 

1129
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:38,960
bigger step back, I feel like 
Gen. is it like Gen. 

1130
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,200
X or whatever it is, whatever is
the youngest group of kids is 

1131
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:47,479
nowadays, like the TikTok kids. 
They're not necessarily like as 

1132
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,040
many people who are fans of 
teams, unless you live in like a

1133
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,479
major city, people are fans of 
of athletes. 

1134
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,520
I'm sure I don't know you're 
you're in Europe. 

1135
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,680
So in soccer, that might be the 
case where like you may be a 

1136
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:05,160
huge Ronaldo fan and now all of 
a sudden you're rocking. 

1137
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:06,520
What is it? 
He's in the Saudi Arabian 

1138
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,479
league, right? 
But like, but when he was 

1139
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,880
bouncing around from European 
team to European team, like 

1140
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,520
people are buying his jersey and
watching those games. 

1141
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,080
To be honest, like in in Europe 
generally like people are very 

1142
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,040
loyal to their, their, their 
soccer team, like it, it will 

1143
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,760
be. 
OK, so soccer might be like a. 

1144
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,680
Little soccer. 
Soccer is definitely like is 

1145
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,319
definitely that. 
But I mean, yeah, I don't know. 

1146
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:33,640
But here in the States, like, 
people are LeBron James fans and

1147
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,399
like, yeah. 
And I think that's, I mean, that

1148
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:39,240
is kind of partly you do have 
the superstar kind of I think 

1149
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,880
that's the thing when you have 
the superstars, people follow 

1150
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,080
the superstars. 
Like yes, as you said, Ronaldo 

1151
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,479
and soccer, like whatever, like 
people were became Man United 

1152
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,479
fans because Ronaldo was playing
for Man United. 

1153
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,840
But there's also like that. 
But to build like a team culture

1154
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,160
and it's really interesting. 
Like in cricket here, which I 

1155
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,720
know it's not, but it's really 
interesting. 

1156
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,840
So cricket obviously has had all
these historic teams, but in 

1157
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:08,400
recent years they've decided to 
build leagues where they, you 

1158
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,200
know, and this is where all the 
money is now. 

1159
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,760
And so it's, it's a very 
interesting transition and it's 

1160
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,760
kind of what a lot of other 
sports are now trying to copy 

1161
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,480
because essentially cricket 
built that they, they built and 

1162
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:23,800
the most, you know, money making
most successful thing in the 

1163
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,920
world of cricket right now is 
the Indian Premier League 

1164
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,320
cricket format where the teams 
change every year. 

1165
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,680
I have no idea who's on any of 
those teams. 

1166
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,880
And people have supporting 
their, their like city or 

1167
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,160
regional team. 
And then in the UK, they've kind

1168
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,920
of tried to copy that format and
they've made slightly different 

1169
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,880
teams and kind of tried to, to 
do that, but it takes a long 

1170
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,040
time to build team loyalty and 
it isn't necessarily successful.

1171
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,960
So the UK league hasn't managed 
to do that yet. 

1172
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,480
The Indian team's been Indian 
League's been around for 1012 

1173
01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:58,800
years now and has managed to do 
that, but it takes a very long 

1174
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,520
time. 
So I think it's difficult like 

1175
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,880
and any athletics, obviously the
athletes are going to keep 

1176
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,200
changing and you're probably not
going to get the same athletes 

1177
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,920
year to year. 
And obviously getting parity as 

1178
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,600
well is very challenging in 
athletics versus like a team 

1179
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,840
sport, right. 
You can't have like if you try 

1180
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,240
and put teams together, if 
someone has faith, could be a 

1181
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,640
gun on their team like, you 
know, like think. 

1182
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,120
About just like if we know you 
think about it like think about 

1183
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,360
how just how stacked the Nike 
team is, it would be in in a 

1184
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,440
perfect scenario, yeah. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1185
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:32,920
So it's just one of those things
where I'm not sure you could 

1186
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:38,400
also make the teams very equal. 
And I think it competition is 

1187
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,960
only fun when there is 
competition as well. 

1188
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,640
I mean, they did try and do 
this. 

1189
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,960
Like there was that, I can't 
remember what we called it. 

1190
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,880
We spent a long time dissecting 
it that that trial meet that 

1191
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,920
they did in Europe when they 
tried all these weird things 

1192
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,440
with the high jump and the pole 
void and all that. 

1193
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,800
And there they had the team 
concept, but they just randomly 

1194
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,040
had athletes allocated one from 
each event to a different colour

1195
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:59,800
team. 
So they just did that. 

1196
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,680
And again, like it was nice in a
way, like some of the athletes 

1197
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,800
got into cheering for the people
who are the same colour, even if

1198
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,520
they didn't know, even even know
the athlete personally. 

1199
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,120
And, and it kind of got the 
other athletes on the sidelines 

1200
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,760
a bit more invested in the other
events. 

1201
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,920
So they and they kind of tried 
to show that, but it's hard. 

1202
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,360
It's really hard. 
Especially because you're you're

1203
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:26,760
starting with a individual's 
board and then trying to get 

1204
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,720
people to familiarize themself 
with whatever the team model or 

1205
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,280
Lego, they said. 
They hinted at it being NCAA 

1206
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,160
scoring because the athletes are
used to that. 

1207
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,760
But yeah, I guess we just have 
to wait and see what for more 

1208
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,400
details as to how this thing 
takes form. 

1209
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:50,600
But if you want $0.02 from track
centric folks like we've we've 

1210
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,560
thought through just sort of 
like, all right, but and it's 

1211
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,240
important to hear those butts 
sometimes. 

1212
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:03,560
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I think one of the other things 
I was going to say about Athos, 

1226
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,760
what I thought was interesting 
was, you know, we we will have 

1227
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:53,880
those questions in the 
broadcast. 

1228
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,720
Obviously there's there's a long
big gap between the races. 

1229
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,760
And here, interestingly, when 
they had the long jump between 

1230
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,720
the races, that gap kind of 
shrunk quite nicely and it was 

1231
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,280
kind of quite natural. 
And then obviously in the later 

1232
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,960
races where they didn't have the
long jump between them, the gap 

1233
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,960
certainly on the broadcast 
started to drag a bit. 

1234
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,640
And I think you're always going 
to have that issue as well, 

1235
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:16,560
right? 
That when you're trying to 

1236
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,560
present something in this way, I
think that's where the field 

1237
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,960
events do have a bit of a place.
And I think that's where like 

1238
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,360
obviously, but the problem. 
Is you can't just like halt 

1239
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:29,280
competition and be like, hey, 
all right, stop like we're gonna

1240
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,160
do this next race or stop we're 
gonna go cut to this interview 

1241
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,680
like that. 
The competition has to continue 

1242
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:38,240
in its regular sort of like 
flow, but I did sort of like the

1243
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:42,480
fact that they attempted to just
center the field events and keep

1244
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,560
people's attentions on it at one
time without anything else going

1245
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,920
around, which is like if you're 
trying to cater to that average 

1246
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,280
track person or no, no, the 
average sports fan who doesn't 

1247
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,240
know anything about track, like 
that's usually sort of where 

1248
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:00,200
you're Criss crossing their eyes
and like their attention span 

1249
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,680
over four or five different 
things happening at the same 

1250
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:03,800
time. 
And so I will give them that. 

1251
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,400
They're like, all right, you 
filled a little bit of time with

1252
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,840
this one thing and it was there 
was actually only one thing 

1253
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:14,160
happening at the same time. 
But yeah, it and I did I I 

1254
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:18,600
thought that doing the Times 
Square event to just focus on 

1255
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,400
the long jump for that one day 
was smart. 

1256
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:25,280
Now, how do you where else do 
you replicate this? 

1257
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:26,520
Like you can get really 
creative. 

1258
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,240
And I'm sure like they will it 
if the pockets are deep enough, 

1259
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,160
like you can rent out some some 
very cool spaces to host the 

1260
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,520
next thing. 
I wonder if like they'll do in 

1261
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,960
Times Square again. 
It was very cool and awesome for

1262
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,320
those athletes, but it's sort of
just like, OK, now it's been 

1263
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,360
done like. 
Yeah, I think someone said 

1264
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,800
Trafalgar Square and Alexis, 
which is obviously London and 

1265
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,160
Alexis Hadidan said, yeah, well,
he kind of commented on that, 

1266
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,520
that tweet. 
But, you know, and I was at an 

1267
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,280
event in Trafalgar Square 
yesterday, actually. 

1268
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,160
It's a very cool space because 
there is a lot more space there 

1269
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,960
to to set up a whole whole kind 
of section and a stage and a 

1270
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,560
like and have have thousands of 
people there. 

1271
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,160
So, you know, there are 
obviously lots of places around 

1272
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,680
the world where you can do cool 
stuff. 

1273
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,400
That, yeah, that was the one 
thing about Times Square. 

1274
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,520
Like, I mean, I avoid that place
like the plague as much as I 

1275
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:22,680
can, but there was just like, I 
mean, foot traffic wise, like 

1276
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,400
amazing because you're going to 
get a ton of tourists and, and 

1277
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,640
people coming and going. 
But the timing of it too, was 

1278
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,040
also just the most frustrating 
part of like, all right, like I 

1279
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:37,120
got to get my way to, you know, 
the corner of 47th or 45th St. 

1280
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,080
wherever it was. 
And it's like, but I got to 

1281
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:44,000
weave through the people get 
going to their Broadway shows, 

1282
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:49,160
dodge in a couple Times Square 
Elmo's who may Shank you if you 

1283
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,520
don't, you know, pay them for a 
picture. 

1284
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,360
So it was that part of it or 
just like, I can't believe we 

1285
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,640
have I have to be here today. 
But it was it was cool execution

1286
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,320
wise one and the athletes loved 
it too. 

1287
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:05,040
Like I I didn't have a 
credential for it. 

1288
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,840
So I had to stand across and 
where the fans were, and I ended

1289
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,720
up just being positioned right 
in front of where the jumpers 

1290
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,000
were, sitting down. 
And it was to me like the best 

1291
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,680
seat in the house because I got 
to listen and watch like all of 

1292
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,800
the interactions. 
I wish that that if there was, 

1293
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,120
did it end up being broadcast 
anywhere? 

1294
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,160
No. 
So we just got social media 

1295
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,800
clips, but we didn't actually 
see see the broadcast, which is 

1296
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,160
a bit of a shame. 
I didn't watch it. 

1297
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,720
That's where a missed 
opportunity for it to be cool 

1298
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:37,640
would have been. 
So funny enough, when like Tara 

1299
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,360
Davis Woodall comes up to me to 
ask for help for, to untie her 

1300
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,280
spikes, which she triple knotted
and we're like way too tight. 

1301
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,440
I was unable to untie them. 
I didn't have fingernails that 

1302
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:52,640
were long enough. 
I asked the woman next to me to,

1303
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,960
to, to help me out. 
So I failed her in that regard. 

1304
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,600
But while I was untying them, I 
said to her, I was like, wait, 

1305
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:58,800
are you, are you miked up right 
now? 

1306
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,360
And she goes, no. 
And I was like, Oh, I thought 

1307
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,880
you guys were going to get miked
up and we'd be able to hear and,

1308
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,720
and watch what, you know, if 
there was a broadcast, like hear

1309
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:11,160
you guys interacting. 
Cuz that's a cool opportunity. 

1310
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:15,400
When we've seen the Mondo 
Classic do it, when they're in 

1311
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,320
between jumps, there's some guy 
with a boom mic rushing over to 

1312
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,200
try and get whatever is being 
said between Sam Kendricks and 

1313
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,800
Mondo. 
So that's sort of like now we've

1314
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,080
got two really good models from 
the Mondo Classic and like the 

1315
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,320
Athos, like long jump of like, 
all right, there's a way to 

1316
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,840
present these field events in 
their own sort of independent 

1317
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,440
silos that people can, you know,
be solely fixated on what the 

1318
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:39,480
competition's like. 
You just got to the Mondo 

1319
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:42,480
Classic because you have Mondo 
and it is a bit more of a 

1320
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:46,400
traditional pole vault setting. 
Like the performances have been 

1321
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,920
good there. 
I think that what the street 

1322
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,400
meet formats gonna have to 
figure out is just sort of like,

1323
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,080
all right, now, how do you get 
the marks still So try and 

1324
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,160
match. 
You can, right. 

1325
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,120
So I think it also depends on 
the run. 

1326
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,120
It's very dependent on the 
runway, right? 

1327
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:03,720
Because. 
European champs or something 

1328
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,440
like that. 
Wasn't it an elevated surface? 

1329
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:08,760
And I think went to a street 
meet in Greece and that's where 

1330
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:12,480
she jumped the qualifier for for
worlds. 

1331
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,520
But I think that you can say 
some of the like the runways, if

1332
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,160
they're a bit bouncy or whatever
it is, they'll they'll give you 

1333
01:19:19,480 --> 01:19:22,120
really good marks. 
But you know, and again, people 

1334
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,600
obviously have, you know, pluses
and minuses to that, that, you 

1335
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,680
know, in a traditional stadium 
setting, then people aren't 

1336
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,720
going to jump maybe those same 
marks. 

1337
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:36,280
But yeah, I think, yeah, it's, 
it's interesting that it is 

1338
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,720
difficult to get those St. 
runways right every time. 

1339
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,200
And then obviously we saw they 
had the issue with the measuring

1340
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,320
as well. 
And so all of that stuff when 

1341
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,280
you're setting it up new, that's
the kind of bit that's a bit at 

1342
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:51,240
risk unless you're kind of 
really proficient and 

1343
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,360
experienced at doing it. 
I've done it a few times and we 

1344
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:57,640
saw that in Zurich, they finally
kind of got it right, but 

1345
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,720
obviously they had a few miss 
misses as well with that weird 

1346
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,480
track and like all sorts of 
things going on, right, so. 

1347
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,720
I think everyone's still just 
trying to find the balance 

1348
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,880
between just sort of like, how 
much do we need to revolutionize

1349
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,920
and be totally 100% innovative 
while also still at the heart of

1350
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,720
it keeping the core of what 
makes the sport so good and 

1351
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,040
special in the competition side 
of things like together. 

1352
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,640
So that's a that's a challenge. 
No one's been able to quite 

1353
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,280
figure it out. 
Even, you know, I was part of 

1354
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,840
the Grand Slam track broadcast, 
but like people would say that 

1355
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,160
the broadcast, there was just 
way too much time in between the

1356
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,480
events and I would be like, I 
took offence because that's the 

1357
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:38,520
time for me to yap in between 
the races. 

1358
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:42,040
But I get it. 
Like you want, you know, the 

1359
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,920
action to continue going and you
want, if you're not feeling it 

1360
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,520
with interviews, which I think 
is the thing that people want 

1361
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,920
less of in that time, there 
should be some highly produced 

1362
01:20:52,920 --> 01:21:00,200
pieces of content that's preview
the next race or hype up an 

1363
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,480
athlete and feature their story 
between them. 

1364
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:08,160
Like we see this, it's out there
in football and all these other 

1365
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,440
different sports. 
They do it so well and. 

1366
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:12,640
Yet different and that's the 
other thing, like different 

1367
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,680
markets, like different things 
as well in sports. 

1368
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,040
I think the European way of 
watching sports and the way 

1369
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,800
sports events go is very, very 
different to way the way it is 

1370
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,120
in the US as well. 
So there's so much there that 

1371
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,720
makes it really complicated 
because track and field is a 

1372
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,520
global sport, whilst obviously 
if you're watching American 

1373
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,960
football or basketball, then you
know that that's catered to that

1374
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,720
audience. 
And if we had that here, like we

1375
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,600
have people complaining about 
like a few produced pieces of 

1376
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,080
the BBC use at the start of the 
athletics broadcasts for the 

1377
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:46,240
world. 
And you know, it's like, so it's

1378
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,640
a very different, like I think 
markets are so different as 

1379
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,840
well. 
So that's where it it does get a

1380
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,400
bit challenging. 
You can't blame people for 

1381
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,240
trying different things and not 
everyone's going to like it, 

1382
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:56,400
that's all. 
But here's here's where I'm 

1383
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:00,120
going to also just make one 
quick note is that I understand 

1384
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:05,040
that like a European track fan 
probably tuned into, you know, 

1385
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:11,760
this meet and maybe thought like
it's too Americanized for me. 

1386
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,240
And they probably thought the 
same exact thing of like Grand 

1387
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:17,320
Slam track. 
But I'm going to say bluntly, 

1388
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,440
all these new ventures are about
the American audience. 

1389
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:26,240
The next Olympics is in the 
United States and so a lot of 

1390
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:30,560
the money is also here. 
Track is in a healthy place in 

1391
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,800
Europe when it comes to just 
sort of like the if you're a 

1392
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,240
track fan from Europe, you're 
going to still, even though like

1393
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,960
you might not like it, they they
chances are they'll still TuneIn

1394
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,400
and watch. 
And I think all of these new 

1395
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:47,720
things are trying to hit at the 
sports audience base that's here

1396
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,160
in the states around something 
that we know is going to be big 

1397
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:56,120
in 2028. 
So despite it being both Grand 

1398
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,800
Slam and Athos feeling a little 
too American because a the 

1399
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,480
events are taking place here, a 
lot of the stars are, you know, 

1400
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:07,280
American, the announcers for 
once, I think like except for 

1401
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:11,080
Steve Cram on the Grand Slam 
broadcast N Americans for the 

1402
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:15,240
most part. 
And I that's just got to be the 

1403
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,280
priority between now and LA. 
And I get it that like people 

1404
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,720
are going to say like, oh, these
new things are too American. 

1405
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,200
You guys have the Diamond 
League, like, OK, great. 

1406
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,720
Like and that's a good product. 
So enjoy that like as we try and

1407
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,920
like get innovative and, and, 
and spend money on these new 

1408
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,760
things with an, you know, with 
the American audience at the at 

1409
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,680
the forefront of it. 
I think that's just sort of like

1410
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,160
the blunt part of this whole 
entire thing. 

1411
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,720
Yeah. 
I mean, ultimately, like we only

1412
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,840
want like that's the thing. 
If track and field can get a 

1413
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:48,760
small piece of that American 
sports budget, then the sport as

1414
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,560
a whole will hopefully grow. 
And I think that's the aim. 

1415
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:56,680
Now, it's always a challenge and
to get that 100% right, but 

1416
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,240
that's kind of the idea. 
But it may also change the sport

1417
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,320
when that happens, right, 
Because it then doesn't become, 

1418
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,680
if the money is all coming from 
the States, then obviously the 

1419
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,720
the sport will have to change to
follow that. 

1420
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,000
And there'll be more events, you
know, and you've seen in other 

1421
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,560
sports, right, where they have 
money coming from the Middle 

1422
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,520
East or they have money coming 
from China and then they end up 

1423
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,000
having more events there or, you
know, to wherever the money's 

1424
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:19,960
coming from. 
That kind of changes. 

1425
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,120
And like Formula One as well. 
Like how Well. 

1426
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,880
I mean Formula One is trying to 
add more races in the states 

1427
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:26,880
like yeah. 
Exactly because the, you know, 

1428
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,320
the Vegas race that they did and
the, you know, all of those 

1429
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,880
sorts of things that. 
And it in a similar vein, it 

1430
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,360
drives the purists mad because 
they say it's like, why like 

1431
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:37,520
those? 
Why is this? 

1432
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,040
Yeah. 
Yeah, the the Vegas race sucks 

1433
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,280
and. 
Yeah, it sucks as a race to 

1434
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:46,200
watch or whatever it is, but 
it's, but it's cool, right? 

1435
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,000
And the money and the money's 
there for it, right? 

1436
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,240
So, yeah, that's always going to
be the way. 

1437
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,560
I mean, I love the light show. 
I love the lighting and the the,

1438
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,840
you know, but the problem is you
can only do that at night, 

1439
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,880
right? 
And then it's cold, so you don't

1440
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,120
get the best performances and 
all that, all that kind of 

1441
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,520
stuff. 
Like it's kind of the only way 

1442
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,360
to do that is do it indoors. 
But obviously you can't do a lot

1443
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,400
of the sprints indoors. 
So there's a lot of, there's a 

1444
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,600
lot of challenges to getting 
that right. 

1445
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,520
Because, you know, people have 
always harked back to Doha where

1446
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,440
they did the the World 
Championships in Doha where 

1447
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:21,360
these amazing light shows to 
introduce the athletes and they 

1448
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,800
had their names and their photos
kind of projected onto the 

1449
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:25,080
track. 
And it was incredible. 

1450
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,560
And you know, there's been 
little bits of that that we've 

1451
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,280
seen at other meats since then. 
But you know, Athos did a great 

1452
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,360
job with the lighting and the 
and the atmosphere. 

1453
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,680
But again, it's something that 
you can only get in the right, 

1454
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,960
right way. 
And you know, and and in kind of

1455
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,560
in a in a limited stadium. 
And that's the problem, right? 

1456
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,720
You know, you had, as you said, 
the the grandstand was obviously

1457
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,200
it was just a home straight. 
It wasn't, you know, the whole 

1458
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:48,600
stadium. 
So if you want it in a bigger 

1459
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,000
stadium and you're, you know, it
doesn't, it doesn't work if 

1460
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,360
you've got crowds in other parts
of the stadium, you've got all 

1461
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,320
these kind of problems to solve 
the. 

1462
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:58,360
No one solved. 
It. 

1463
01:25:58,520 --> 01:25:59,880
Yeah. 
No, no, it's. 

1464
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,960
It's difficult to solve. 
It's not perfect, you know, 

1465
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:03,520
unless you do it indoors, as I 
say. 

1466
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,800
Indoors, it's a. 
Great place to do it. 

1467
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:13,200
If if Grand Slam financially 
recovers from their woes and you

1468
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:18,200
need to just start phase two a 
little bit smaller and 

1469
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:22,400
different, I guess, like you 
might even need all of a lot of 

1470
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:27,040
2026 to try and recover from 
just some of the damage done in 

1471
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:32,440
2025. 
But as you revamp like I do, you

1472
01:26:32,440 --> 01:26:35,200
bring up indoors like it just 
makes so much more sense. 

1473
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:39,080
Stadiums are smaller the 
atmosphere like think of Milrose

1474
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:43,400
games and and like trying to 
magnify and capture that like 

1475
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:48,400
2-3 times throughout the year. 
Like I I do see more potential 

1476
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,040
for for that, yes. 
I mean, I guess you have to let 

1477
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:56,320
some of the Sprint races go, but
get you can get creative with a 

1478
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:01,520
lot more stuff. 
So relays, I guess is where you 

1479
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:05,480
can replace the the sprints from
the individual side. 

1480
01:27:05,480 --> 01:27:08,200
But yeah, it was a good, great 
point. 

1481
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:09,760
Now you got my wheels turning in
my head. 

1482
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:15,080
All right, let's let's say one 
more topic and that is the news 

1483
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:21,800
that Fem Kabul has decided that 
she will no longer be contesting

1484
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,880
the 400 meter hurdles and 
starting in 2026, we'll be going

1485
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:33,840
all in on the 800. 
I was part of a very small group

1486
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:39,920
of media that was entrusted with
kind of sharing this news to the

1487
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,840
world and got the chance to 
speak with Femka and her coach. 

1488
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:48,640
And I learned a lot. 
And they were a pretty open book

1489
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,800
about just sort of this new 
challenge that they're both 

1490
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,440
taking on. 
And it's exciting. 

1491
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,960
As soon as we put the news out 
there I was. 

1492
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:03,680
It was very cool to see the 
shock because no one I think saw

1493
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,400
this coming. 
They kept it under wraps really 

1494
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,280
well. 
Femka knew this whole entire 

1495
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,240
season, this was her last year 
contesting the 400 meter hurdles

1496
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,600
and that this idea had kind of 
been planted after the Paris 

1497
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,920
Olympics, where I'm sure she was
disappointed. 

1498
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,960
She didn't. 
She didn't quite say it as 

1499
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,120
explicitly, but she was 
disappointed with how the Paris 

1500
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:27,600
Olympics panned out, where in 
the final she made this crazy 

1501
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:31,080
attempt to try and keep up or 
break Sydney and then it 

1502
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,960
backfired on her and she came 
away with another bronze medal. 

1503
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:40,040
So when she gets the redemption 
year in 2025 to defend her world

1504
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:44,840
championship gold medal and now 
wraps her hurdles career as the 

1505
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,120
second fastest hurdler of all 
time, multiple time European 

1506
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,960
champion, two time world 
champion, Olympic bronze 

1507
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:54,680
medalist, 2 times and it's it's 
a great career overall. 

1508
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,240
She's making the shift at 20, 
five years old. 

1509
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:02,280
I think it is so right in the 
prime of her career. 1 funny 

1510
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:06,680
thing that coach Laurent Muli 
said was that most times when 

1511
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,600
you see the athletes make these 
switches, when you know, kind of

1512
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,400
they're at the tail end of one 
event and think that they'll 

1513
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,680
just make the transition over 
and out. 

1514
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:20,280
But for her, she's in her prime 
and it sets up nicely because 

1515
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:28,120
like I felt that with the 800, 
it's at an all time high now. 

1516
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,000
We just can't had a championship
record from Lily Nodiro to win 

1517
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,400
gold. 
Keela Hodgkinson has run, you 

1518
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,000
know what is the fifth fastest 
time. 

1519
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:40,400
She's number 56 in history with 
her 154 last year. 

1520
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:46,560
And Georgia Hunter Bell has made
great strides to run 155 at the 

1521
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,520
World Championships and come 
away with a silver medal. 

1522
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:54,040
And it's not going to be an easy
move for Femka, and she knows 

1523
01:29:54,040 --> 01:30:01,480
this, but there are signs that 
say she has the physiological 

1524
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,520
build form the way you see her 
run, that she could be 

1525
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,360
successful at this. 
And then on top of that, she's 

1526
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:12,280
coming at it with unprecedented 
400 meter speed. 

1527
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:17,240
That other 400 meter hurdlers 
who have made the change from 

1528
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:21,680
400 meter hurdles to the 400 to 
the 800, they didn't necessarily

1529
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:26,000
have the wheels that Femka has 
and they didn't have as fast of 

1530
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,280
a 400 meter hurdle PR as as 
Femka has. 

1531
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,720
So if you look at just order all
of the different comps, I wrote 

1532
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,240
this whole story on cdsmag.com 
that you can read where we break

1533
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,040
down and pull some of those good
examples. 

1534
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,640
In recent history, the best 
people who've done both events, 

1535
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:47,400
the 400 hurdles and the the 800,
have been Anna Hall, who is a 

1536
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:51,040
heptathlete and the heptathlon 
world champion, who has run 2O 

1537
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:56,640
one for the 800 and 54 for the 
foreigner hurdles. 

1538
01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:59,680
Then you've got Shamir Little 
42. 

1539
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:04,880
Yeah, Shamir Little, who's run 
52, right. 

1540
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:12,160
And for the 800 has run 2O22O 
four. 

1541
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:18,840
I don't have the article in 
front of me, but but no one has 

1542
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,040
the flat 400 speed that Femka 
has. 

1543
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,160
And so that's her kind of like 
calling card in her back pocket.

1544
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:32,480
Jamila Krachevilova, the 800 
meter world record holder, is 

1545
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:36,240
the only other person who I 
think like you could draw some 

1546
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:44,040
parallels to because similar to 
Femka, she ran 49 point indoors 

1547
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:49,000
and Femka's run faster indoors 
the same season that she went on

1548
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:54,160
to break the 800 meter world 
record and also run, you know, 

1549
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,320
156. 
So there's potential there. 

1550
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,760
And I think that that was the 
example that her coach kept 

1551
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:04,040
bringing up to me because I was 
like who's made like I asked him

1552
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,920
bluntly, like who's made the 
best transition from this event 

1553
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,960
to that event? 
And he's like the one the people

1554
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,800
you mentioned, but no one has 
had her wheels. 

1555
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,880
And so their their challenge is 
to try and keep that 400 meter 

1556
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,720
speed while also increasing her 
aerobic capacity and endurance 

1557
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:26,800
to be able to cover the the 
extra lap. 

1558
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,560
And then on top of that, that's 
when the next level to the 

1559
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:34,120
challenge is becoming tactically
strong to understand race 

1560
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,760
patterns and people's moves and 
how to cover them. 

1561
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,440
And that's the championship side
of things. 

1562
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:43,960
But between now and LA, there's 
less than three years, but could

1563
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:48,520
be enough time for her to get 
back to the top end of this 

1564
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,440
event. 
And there's no rush either. 

1565
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:54,440
Like I don't think that there's 
a, there's no date on the 

1566
01:32:54,440 --> 01:32:56,960
calendar for when she's going to
make her 800 meter debut, but it

1567
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:01,400
will be in some time in 2026. 
And we probably won't have to 

1568
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,880
wait all that long for Femka 
versus Keely because there's a 

1569
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:06,800
European Championships outdoors 
that that could potentially 

1570
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,680
happen at. 
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know,

1571
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,000
there there's a couple of 400 
meter hurdle world champions 

1572
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:13,640
that have made made this 
transition. 

1573
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:18,760
Susanna Hainever, 2013, 2015 
world champ who ran 5283 for the

1574
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:23,400
400 hurdles and and ran 2 A 3.4 
for the for the for the 8 

1575
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:26,400
hundreds. 
So, you know, yeah, it kind of a

1576
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,440
transition that does work. 
But yeah, it's it's one of those

1577
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:34,440
things where, yeah, can she? 
She's going into an event that's

1578
01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:37,560
super hot right now. 
They're trying to run 2O32O2. 

1579
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,040
They're trying to run 156 one. 
50 exactly. 

1580
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:41,680
That's the thing. 
It's a very different ball game.

1581
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,320
And you know, I'm sure and my 
kind of initial kind of thinking

1582
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,440
on this is look, I think we're 
pretty certain she can run a 

1583
01:33:48,440 --> 01:33:54,520
158, but can she run a 155 or 
1:56 to put her in the mix for 

1584
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,520
actual medals at global 
championships? 

1585
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:03,480
That's a different kind of ball 
game and that's a big transition

1586
01:34:03,480 --> 01:34:06,800
when you're kind of, you know, I
mean, the good thing is she is 

1587
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,840
the fastest 400 meter indoor 
runner. 

1588
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,560
And I think where that's 
interesting is because the 400 

1589
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,000
meter indoors is like a mini 
800. 

1590
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,200
You know, you cut in and you do,
you know, you do 2 laps. 

1591
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:21,960
And she also is a very, very 
experienced like one of the best

1592
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:23,520
relay runners in the world as 
well. 

1593
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,640
So she's got a bit of experience
running in that kind of, you 

1594
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,320
know, lane one style kind of 
running around. 

1595
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,360
But that obviously is nothing 
like a real 800. 

1596
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,880
But it's still something that 
kind of maybe points, points in 

1597
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:42,520
the right direction. 
And you know, her coach, 

1598
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:46,640
obviously he is the Dutch. 
So the the training set up in 

1599
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:49,920
the Netherlands for people that 
don't know, there is a training 

1600
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,200
Olympic training centre at 
Papandal in the Netherlands, 

1601
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:53,840
which is a really great facility
there. 

1602
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:58,960
Laurent Movely is who is from 
Kabul's coach, is the head of 

1603
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:03,480
sprint's hurdles and relays for 
the Netherlands, for the Dutch 

1604
01:35:03,480 --> 01:35:05,480
team. 
He also coaches a bunch of other

1605
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,840
athletes as well at that that 
centre, including some non Dutch

1606
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,720
athletes. 
And you know, he's obviously 

1607
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:16,640
done wonders for the relay in 
the Netherlands and they've 

1608
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:18,840
become successful across all the
relays now. 

1609
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:22,640
They won European medals in in 
in lots of different relays. 

1610
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:24,880
They obviously won the bronze 
medal in the men's four by one 

1611
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,440
this year. 
So you know, he's he's done 

1612
01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:29,600
wonders with that. 
He's a really good coach, 

1613
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,720
obviously, so is that question, 
can he coach the? 

1614
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:35,080
Hundreds. 
The question can he coach? 

1615
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:38,880
The can he coach the 800? 
And you know, he's a he's a very

1616
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,280
cerebral coach. 
He's a very, you know, he uses 

1617
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:45,720
data, he. 
Someone asked him and he said, 

1618
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,200
you know, 10 years ago or so, he
did have someone who ran a woman

1619
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:52,040
who ran under 2 minutes. 
And then most recently he's had 

1620
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:56,920
Evelyn Sahlberg, who has been 
part of like the Dutch, you 

1621
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:02,360
know, 4 by 4 teams and she's run
2O3, I think. 

1622
01:36:02,440 --> 01:36:06,560
And this was the first year that
she was, you know, making that 

1623
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,200
switch over to the 800. 
But then I think at some point 

1624
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:12,160
in the season switch back to 
focusing on the the 400. 

1625
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:16,920
So Femka's going to be training 
with the same training group. 

1626
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,360
She'll probably be paced by a 
couple of the men on the longer 

1627
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:22,560
stuff, the more middle distance 
focus stuff. 

1628
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:29,360
But they also said that she 
isn't going to run crazy high 

1629
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,240
mileage. 
The beginning of the 800 is the 

1630
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:33,560
many different ways that you can
come at it from right. 

1631
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,200
Like there's some people who 
can, you know, I think sage her 

1632
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:41,680
to Clucker ran, she said in my 
podcast interview in the 50s for

1633
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:45,240
her highest mileage. 
Some people maybe go up a little

1634
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:48,200
bit more in the 70s. 
And then there's like the 

1635
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:53,480
Georgia Hunter Bells of the 
world who runs like mileage wise

1636
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,840
miles. 
I think like 35 to 40 miles a 

1637
01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:01,040
week, but then with the shit ton
of cross training involved as 

1638
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:04,080
well. 
And so I think to preserve 

1639
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,320
Femka's speed, they'll probably 
keep her on the lower end of the

1640
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,960
mileage. 
And then also they did say that 

1641
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:15,800
she'd be doing a lot of time on 
the the bike arc trainer, the, 

1642
01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:21,680
you know, treadmill, not the 
treadmill, but elliptical, just 

1643
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:25,920
so that she's able to get that 
aerobic capacity up. 

1644
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:32,160
So some other fun Nuggets in my 
interview, I asked what's the 

1645
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:37,160
farthest that she's gone in 
practice and she said 600 meters

1646
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:39,960
in a time trial. 
And then I did ask, you know, 

1647
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,440
her coach later on. 
I was like, how fast did she go 

1648
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:46,000
in that time trail? 
And he said 123 didn't give me 

1649
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:51,360
the decimal, but 123 is exactly 
what Keeley Hodgkinson's indoor 

1650
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:55,320
world record is. 
I know you wanted me to say 

1651
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,200
world best. 
We don't say world best on this 

1652
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:03,160
podcast, period. 
And that makes me optimistic. 

1653
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:07,880
I would love to see, who knows 
if people are assembling the. 

1654
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:12,280
I mean, I'm sure the calls are 
already coming in from indoor 

1655
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,800
meat organizers being like, hey,
can we get Femka for her 800 

1656
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,480
meter debut? 
They're not rushing into it, but

1657
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:22,760
it would be nice to see a 600 
indoors this year. 

1658
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:25,440
Make it happen. 
Milrose Games get Femka in a 

1659
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:28,720
600. 
Well, there'll be a New Balance 

1660
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,640
right indoors that I guess that 
because give a New Balance in a 

1661
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:33,480
sponsor. 
So I suspect that's probably. 

1662
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,040
Potentially that's where she ran
the 500. 

1663
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:37,600
Exactly. 
That's especially around the 

1664
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,400
500. 
So I wonder if that whether that

1665
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,480
will be her debut or whether 
that will be. 

1666
01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:45,120
No, I would. 600 yeah, it might 
be a bit early for an 800 debut,

1667
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:49,360
but it might be but yeah, I mean
they said they that she'll be 

1668
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,320
doing something indoors so it 
could be I imagine she'll still 

1669
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,480
do the relays at the wild 
indoors so. 

1670
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,960
That's the other thing to kind 
of, I asked her just sort of 

1671
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:00,680
what does this mean for your 
availability in the relays? 

1672
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:05,960
Because she's obviously been a 
key integral part of being the 

1673
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:09,000
best anchor leg second to Sydney
McLaughlin, Liveroni that you 

1674
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:14,880
could ask for. 
And she said, and I mentioned, 

1675
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:20,000
I'm sure it will depend on the 
timetable for each one of these,

1676
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,760
but she like has enjoyed being 
part of them. 

1677
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:26,880
But I also think like, and this 
is something that she probably 

1678
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:33,360
can't say explicitly because, 
you know, it's speaking against 

1679
01:39:33,480 --> 01:39:37,640
your country's federation, but 
they ask a lot out of her too, 

1680
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,800
right? 
Like to ask her to run the mixed

1681
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:45,760
4x4 and then focus on your main 
event and then come back to run 

1682
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:49,800
the four by four. 
That's, that's yeah, that's a 

1683
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,480
lot to we, we, we, we, we 
brought that up. 

1684
01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:56,920
I think it was it in last year 
at the Paris Olympics, right 

1685
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:01,080
Like that them could probably in
that 400 meter hurdle finals 

1686
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,240
also had a little bit of a 
disadvantage because she had to 

1687
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,000
run the mixed 4 by 4 for the 
Netherlands. 

1688
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:12,520
And so being 800 meter focused, 
I think you can use that as a 

1689
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:16,040
little bit more of an excuse to 
opt out of some of that stuff. 

1690
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,160
I, I wonder actually, to be 
honest, I think she enjoys it. 

1691
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,360
I think obviously she that that 
team, they're very close knit. 

1692
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:28,640
Like I don't, I don't know, I I 
get the feeling, yeah, maybe, 

1693
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:33,440
but obviously her coach is very 
is, is the relay coach as well, 

1694
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:37,000
right. 
So I don't know how, how easy it

1695
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,360
is going to be to get out of 
that stuff. 

1696
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,000
And maybe like, you know, we 
have seen the 800 has been 

1697
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,680
timetabled to clash. 
It's been on the last day of the

1698
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,680
championships, the women's 800 
the last couple of years. 

1699
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:49,480
So it hasn't been possible to do
the 800 like because we were 

1700
01:40:49,480 --> 01:40:53,280
complaining when we wanted, I 
think MO on the on the on the US

1701
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:57,520
4 by 4 that she couldn't do it 
because they timetabled it. 

1702
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:59,840
I can't remember which which one
it was. 

1703
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:03,360
I whether it was, was it Eugene 
maybe where they timetabled. 

1704
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,760
It was the first time they 
timetabled it on the same day as

1705
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,360
the the four by four and and she
couldn't run it. 

1706
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:10,960
And then obviously I think after
that pretty much every time the 

1707
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,120
women's 8 has been on the last 
day of the Champs for the last 

1708
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:14,760
three years. 
So. 

1709
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaking of and bringing up a 
thing though, like this is a 

1710
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:22,080
little bit of like a thank you 
Femka for like committing to 

1711
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:25,840
doing this and like putting 
yourself out there and in making

1712
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:30,200
this event a little bit more 
intriguing in the lead up to LA 

1713
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:33,560
2028. 
Because like we've been dismayed

1714
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:41,240
by just sort of like the lack of
a commitment to the potential 

1715
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:46,640
rivalry that we wanted in this 
event between a thing MO and 

1716
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:52,760
Keely Hodgkinson from 2021. 
Like, we saw it in 2022-2023, 

1717
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,520
Like, the thing wasn't even at 
her best there. 

1718
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:59,160
Still ends up with a bronze 
medal, Doesn't make the team in 

1719
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:02,800
2425. 
And it's like, all right, like, 

1720
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:06,040
I guess we've given way and 
Keeley's blossomed into that 

1721
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:09,160
star. 
But at least us as Americans are

1722
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:10,560
left wondering like, oh, what 
if? 

1723
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,840
What if she would have stuck 
with it and then, like, continue

1724
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,920
to progress And now it's sort of
like, OK, if this experiment 

1725
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,320
does go well, then we could have
a really good challenger for 

1726
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:23,720
Keely pretty soon. 
In addition to that. 

1727
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:25,440
I mean, like, we just don't 
know, I guess, like what the 

1728
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:28,840
ceiling ends up being for the 
likes of Lillian Odira. 

1729
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,880
It's it was very nice that at 
the Athos press conference, 

1730
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:37,040
Georgia Hunter Bell gave so many
kudos to Keely, saying that she 

1731
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,360
believes that Keely's going to 
be the one to break the world 

1732
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,720
record. 
And it just Keely was a little 

1733
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:47,000
bit more honest and said that it
takes it for a lot more stars to

1734
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,920
align than just going out there 
and running the time. 

1735
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:56,840
You need perfect conditions, you
need the spikes, you need the 

1736
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:58,760
bicarb and all that kind of 
stuff. 

1737
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:02,040
Like all of it needs to line up 
to take that record down. 

1738
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:06,200
And you know, they're going to 
give it a shot at some point and

1739
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,440
we'll see. 
But this event just got a whole 

1740
01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:13,520
lot more interesting and the 800
is one of the best events in in 

1741
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,760
the sport. 
And we'll get an answer from 

1742
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:22,360
Temka pretty soon after she does
this and and maybe a couple of 

1743
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:25,000
years into it. 
What is the harder of the two 

1744
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,040
events, the 400 hurdles and the 
800? 

1745
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,560
It's always like a a constant 
debate among track folks. 

1746
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:34,800
So I'm excited for it. 
It's gonna It's already one of 

1747
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:38,240
the best storylines to come in 
in 2026. 

1748
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:41,720
Yeah, really exciting. 
I mean, I think the other thing 

1749
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:46,080
we should give credit to is it's
just how crazy good, you know, 

1750
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,760
if we're if we're saying goodbye
to Femka's 400 meter hurdles 

1751
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:54,960
career, you know, she only 
started hurdling in 2019 and in 

1752
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:58,960
that time she's obviously become
the second best hurdler in 

1753
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,760
history, two time world 
champion, two time Olympic 

1754
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:05,920
medallist and, and doing 
everything else that she's done 

1755
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,800
on the European stage and in the
relays. 

1756
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:13,880
You know, it's been an 
incredible career in that in 

1757
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:15,520
that time. 
And she's still so young. 

1758
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:19,880
So it's pretty crazy. 
Like, you know, and in another 

1759
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:24,680
era where Sydney wasn't there, 
like, yeah, she, you know, it's 

1760
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,680
crazy right between her and 
Sydney, they have got the top 20

1761
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:30,600
something. 
I think there's one Delilla mark

1762
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,160
in there and 1 Anna Cochran mark
in there. 

1763
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:34,800
But other than that, they've got
the top like 30 odd marks 

1764
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:41,400
between them in history. 
And yeah, it's pretty crazy 

1765
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:45,440
impressive. 
And yeah, the, the, you know, 

1766
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:48,840
and even, you know, and when you
go to the Diamond League and you

1767
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:52,840
watch her race on the Diamond 
League, even though you know, 

1768
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:56,640
that there's no competition, 
like people were so excited to 

1769
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,400
see her race right in the, in 
the 400 hurdles. 

1770
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:03,640
Like it was she was always one 
of the star attractions in 

1771
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:07,120
London, in, you know, other 
places I've seen a race like it 

1772
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:11,160
was, I don't know, like what it 
was just the combination. 

1773
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:15,280
Like she just had that presence 
about her in in, in, in that 

1774
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,800
event, even though she wasn't 
necessarily going to be 

1775
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:22,160
challenged in those races. 
And so, you know, you have to 

1776
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:24,960
give a lot of respect to her for
for taking on this new challenge

1777
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:27,480
and and putting herself out 
there. 

1778
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:33,200
And yeah, congratulations on a 
great, great foreign adults 

1779
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:34,680
career. 
Yeah, you'd mentioned just sort 

1780
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,680
of how late or how recently 2019
she'd been. 

1781
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:41,560
That's when she went in on the 
hurdles. 

1782
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,240
Because I did also ask like what
is your 800 meter PRI know she 

1783
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,480
said that like the longest she's
gone in practice and all that 

1784
01:45:47,480 --> 01:45:52,080
stuff has been 600 meters. 
But she floated during the press

1785
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:55,040
conference like I think my PR is
like 221 in the 800. 

1786
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:59,440
And then I verified later on 
with her coach was like, what is

1787
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,480
like, did you guys track down 
what her PR is? 

1788
01:46:01,480 --> 01:46:05,560
And he told me it was 219 
something. 

1789
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:08,520
It's in the piece. 
And then I quickly texted him 

1790
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:14,320
back and I was like, oh, my PR 
is one second faster right now. 

1791
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:17,600
And he goes, I hope that we take
that down in the first shot. 

1792
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:22,680
So there you go. 
That's the mark for success in 

1793
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:26,280
in the first go around. 
But yeah, so that she has she's 

1794
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:30,360
got 219 from some indoor 
meeting, 2017. 

1795
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:34,000
It's hard to find the result 
because there is an 800, It's 

1796
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,320
not on her World Athletic's 
profile. 

1797
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,840
And I think that there's it's on
this one database and it's 

1798
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:41,760
listed as a DNF. 
But I do think that the meat 

1799
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,960
actually did end up giving her a
time. 

1800
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:49,320
But anyway, that was just a 
little funny nugget there toward

1801
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:52,280
the end. 
All right. 

1802
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,600
And then one last thing, which 
honestly just came in this. 

1803
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:56,160
Morning. 
But what, what, what do we think

1804
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,600
we can run? 
Like what before we move on from

1805
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,760
Famca, What, what do we think 
Famca can run? 

1806
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:03,600
Like what, what, what is our, 
what is our kind of call? 

1807
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,400
What is what is she going to run
next year and what will she run 

1808
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:07,760
ever? 
OK. 

1809
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:15,600
I'd say she runs 157 next year, 
by the end of the year and 

1810
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:28,160
before LA one 55, yeah. 
Yeah, I probably going to, I'm 

1811
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:30,480
going to be a little more 
pessimistic for next year, maybe

1812
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:33,360
158. 
But yeah, I think, I think 

1813
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:37,000
15155, yeah, you're right, 155 
is, is where it's at. 

1814
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:38,800
And that puts a little 
conversation, yeah. 

1815
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:41,600
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah, I know. 

1816
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:46,560
I'm not sure 154's a whole 
another level but but we shall 

1817
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:47,360
see. 
We'll see. 

1818
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:51,960
I thought you were asking me. 
I did finally get the all clear 

1819
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:58,160
to resume track workouts. 
So I'm back and I time trialed 

1820
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:02,720
216, Mark Hoogan said sub 210 
this indoor season and I said I 

1821
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:05,680
don't know about that, but we 
shall see. 

1822
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:09,360
Oh, there's one other 
interesting nugget, Mara. 

1823
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:13,440
Lady Paulino has said she might 
run some 8 hundreds in 2026. 

1824
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,400
What interview did that come in?
Because like sometimes she can 

1825
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,720
get lost in translation. 
I saw that graphic and I was 

1826
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,440
like, I'm sure someone didn't 
translate this right. 

1827
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:23,560
If maybe not, maybe not. 
I don't. 

1828
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:26,200
Well, I think everyone was 
asking about obviously fem, 

1829
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:27,520
yeah. 
Keely had a great answer. 

1830
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:30,200
Keely is very excited by it. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1831
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:33,760
So, well, yeah, they've been 
joking around about running a 

1832
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,080
600 against each other, aren't 
they? 

1833
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:35,520
So. 
Yeah. 

1834
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:36,280
And. 
They can't dodge. 

1835
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:40,040
It yeah no, no, yeah no 
something's race is definitely 

1836
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:42,480
gonna. 
Happen one quick thing World 

1837
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:45,120
Athletics announce its nominees 
for track athlete of the year 

1838
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:47,960
came out this. 
Always our most fun 

1839
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:50,720
conversation, isn't it? 
Every year, the women. 

1840
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:54,840
'S nominees and this list will 
get boiled down to two people as

1841
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:56,760
the finalists and then from 
there. 

1842
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,400
Again, this is just track. 
They haven't announced who the 

1843
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:03,560
field event athlete of the year 
and the Out of stadium athlete 

1844
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:06,840
of the year is. 
And then of the three winners 

1845
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:10,640
there will be 1 who's crowned 
the world athlete of the year. 

1846
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:15,600
But for the track, they went 
with Beatrice Tribet, Faith Pig 

1847
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:19,600
on Cindy McLaughlin, Liveroni, 
Melissa Jefferson Wooden and 

1848
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:23,600
Fimka Bowl Men's Men's side, 
they went Noah Lyles Rye, 

1849
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,880
Benjamin, Emmanuel Wagoni, 
Cordell Tinch and Jimmy 

1850
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:29,720
Gressier. 
A little bit of a surprising 

1851
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:33,560
men's list. 
Yeah, I didn't really think any 

1852
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:35,800
of that. 
I don't really particularly 

1853
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:40,120
think any of the men's, men's 
ones, like I don't really know 

1854
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:41,720
who, who's the kind of top 
men's. 

1855
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:44,080
Men, I don't think that the 
men's winner of this in this 

1856
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:47,440
group is going to beat Mondo for
the overall world. 

1857
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,120
I don't think, I don't think 
there has been anyone on the 

1858
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:54,280
track maybe who's been 
sufficiently consistent across 

1859
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:58,080
the whole season and deliver the
gold, gold medals and right 

1860
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,600
Benjamin's probably been the 
most consistent over 4 hurdles. 

1861
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:02,680
Been come back years much? 
Exactly. 

1862
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:06,200
And they're, you know, and yeah,
other than that, it's, it's 

1863
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:11,160
quite tricky to know who, yeah, 
who is, you know, who, who, who 

1864
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:14,360
is there, who, who was, who's 
been winning that consistently. 

1865
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,640
And I don't think there is 
anyone who's kind of gone 

1866
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:20,400
unbeaten and, you know, 
delivered like crazy times and 

1867
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:23,440
done everything. 
I I'm almost like, I guess like 

1868
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:31,000
if all things considered of this
bunch, who are the finalists on 

1869
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,560
the women inside the finalists I
think are a little bit easier. 

1870
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:35,400
Actually, I don't. 
Know. 

1871
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:39,560
Well, I don't know, actually, 
that I, I think probably #5 

1872
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:41,240
bless her. 
Yeah, but that's because 

1873
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:44,040
everyone else has had much more 
insane seasons. 

1874
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:49,240
Yeah, I think you can boil this 
list down from from 5:00 to 

1875
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:53,360
3:00, but to two makes it tough,
I think. 

1876
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,440
If I didn't know actually. 
If I if you boiled it down to 

1877
01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:58,560
three, you go. 
Beatrice Chabet, Sydney 

1878
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,520
McLaughlin Levroni and Melissa 
Jefferson Wooden each one of 

1879
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,440
those. 
Athletes faith could be. 

1880
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:07,040
Faith has a silver. 
But she broke the world record 

1881
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:11,600
in the 15th and won a silver in 
the in the five, so I don't 

1882
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:15,640
know. 
Sydney ran the American record 

1883
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:19,280
one of the all time times and 
then got gold in the relay. 

1884
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:24,640
Melissa did the triple and 
Beecher Sabet got the double 

1885
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:30,720
plus the world record in the 5K.
So I think Beatrice Sabet has 

1886
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:36,520
has a better season than Faith 
Capiagon and so then I think you

1887
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:40,560
slot down Faith Capiagon. 
So if you go from 5:00 to 1:00, 

1888
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,720
it's in my book. 
Fem Kabul, Faith. 

1889
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:49,120
Kapiagon, Sydney. 
McLaughlin, Liveroni, Beatrice. 

1890
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:51,800
Chibet, Melissa. 
Jefferson Wooden. 

1891
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:56,520
I think Beatrice Chibet has to 
be hands down the winner. 

1892
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:02,080
Of the group. 
Of the yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1893
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:05,600
Like we said, I think on the end
of our World Championships wrap 

1894
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:08,680
up, I Beatrice Chabet didn't 
have to try as hard to win both 

1895
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:10,680
of her gold medals at the world 
champions. 

1896
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:14,800
She ran sub 4 sub sub fourteen 
in the 5K. 

1897
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:18,520
He's just bananas. 
Yeah, but then Melissa Jefferson

1898
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:22,680
wouldn't took down everybody all
season long, all year, across 2 

1899
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:25,200
events. 
Yeah. 

1900
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:29,520
I I more times. 
I I still think that faith could

1901
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:33,760
be a go on. 
Should Yeah, sorry, Beatrice 

1902
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:36,880
Chabat should should, should win
this medal like he. 

1903
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,320
We'll see what they what they 
end up deciding. 

1904
01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:42,440
I mean it depends like I think. 
The other problem is, I think 

1905
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:46,680
isn't there a fan vote to get it
down to like the final two or 

1906
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:47,560
whatever it is? 
Yeah. 

1907
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:50,800
We need we need America to step 
up right here and and, and and 

1908
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:54,960
vote like a lot of Americans 
can't really agree with a whole 

1909
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:56,960
lot of things within among 
themselves. 

1910
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:58,800
But like as a country, we should
just all agree. 

1911
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,160
Let's let's vote Melissa 
Jefferson wouldn't to the top of

1912
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:03,840
this award. 
Like, I don't care if you're a 

1913
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:05,880
Republican, Democrat, 
independent. 

1914
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:07,920
Like, let's all vote for Melissa
Jefferson. 

1915
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:13,280
Wouldn't then over on the men's 
side, who does this list get 

1916
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:16,840
down to for two? 
I think when Yoni and Cordell 

1917
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:18,960
Tinge, does that sound? 
Right. 

1918
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:21,040
Yeah, possibly. 
Yeah. 

1919
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:26,520
It's really hard to kind of know
because no one's really no one's

1920
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:29,640
broken world records. 
I mean when you're new, when you

1921
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:30,960
need a new. 
PR this year. 

1922
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:32,760
Well, yeah, I mean, this is the 
thing, right? 

1923
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:36,800
When you're new, because last 
season was so crazy in the 800, 

1924
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:41,040
like this season just feels like
a little bit less, you know, 

1925
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:42,480
feels a little bit more 
underwhelming. 

1926
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:46,520
And that's not really fair. 
But that's just the way we look 

1927
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:49,320
at things, right? 
And then you've got Cordell 

1928
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:51,680
Tench, who's run all time marks 
on the hurdles, but he's not 

1929
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:54,440
like unbeaten or anything like 
that. 

1930
01:53:54,440 --> 01:53:58,440
But you know, he's been a really
good, really consistent her 

1931
01:53:58,440 --> 01:54:01,040
during an event where it's 
difficult to to to do that. 

1932
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:04,360
Jimmy. 
Jimmy Gracie has never. 

1933
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,440
On this list. 
Yeah, Jimmy Grassier, bless him 

1934
01:54:07,480 --> 01:54:12,080
as much as we love him, is 
probably #5 Noah Lyles, 

1935
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:15,360
obviously. 2 medals, beating the
two hundreds. 

1936
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:17,560
The thing that sucks is that 
Cole Hawker gets knocked down 

1937
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:19,680
off of this list because he 
didn't win anything at all 

1938
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:22,120
throughout the whole regular 
season and then he just clutched

1939
01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:25,440
up during the championships and 
won in the 5K. 

1940
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:28,640
He won in the at the US 
Championships too. 

1941
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:32,720
So in that vein, like if you 
only assess Cole Hawker by just 

1942
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:36,640
the 5K and you only thought of 
him as a as 5K Cole, you can 

1943
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:39,600
kind of almost make the case 
that he he was a similar has a 

1944
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:44,800
similar resume to Ride Benjamin 
where he didn't because Rye 

1945
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:46,760
didn't win everything. 
He didn't go unbeaten. 

1946
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:49,840
And I had to Cole because he got
his ass handed to him in in 

1947
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:53,680
Oslo. 
But I mean, Rye, Benjamin's the 

1948
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:55,640
US champion and the world 
champion. 

1949
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:59,640
Cole Hawker is the US champion 
and the world champion and ran, 

1950
01:55:00,160 --> 01:55:03,320
you know, a fast time at the 
World Championships. 

1951
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:07,520
So there's they're just sort of 
like a if Cole's regular season 

1952
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:11,160
wasn't as bad as it was, then he
should have been on this list 

1953
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:13,680
and probably could have made it 
been the case as a finalist. 

1954
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:18,320
But alas, yeah. 
No, I, I mean, I don't know. 

1955
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:21,920
I think because of the times 
situation in the 5K, it's a bit 

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bit trickier to kind of unless 
he'd also done something in the 

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1500 that would have been 
obviously the the way to kind of

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get up there on this list. 
Cole only won five races in 

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2025, the Tokyo 5K final, the 
1500 Quality Heat 5K final at 

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the US Championships, and then 
two indoor races. 

1961
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I was wondering about that. 
Does this take into account much

1962
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indoors? 
I don't think so. 

1963
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Right? 
It's track. 

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Huge amount I think it can do, 
like I think it can do a little 

1965
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bit, but it does kind of, I 
think it does queue outdoors 

1966
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particularly because there's 
recency bias, right? 

1967
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Like when people are voting and 
people are thinking about it, 

1968
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there's a recency bias also 
indoors. 

1969
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There's always that asterisk of 
was everyone competing and all 

1970
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that kind of thing. 
So yeah, maybe not so much. 

1971
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So then is this setting itself 
up so that, yeah, Mondo will be 

1972
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the men's World Athlete of the 
year? 

1973
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Yeah. 
And then the Women's World 

1974
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Athlete of the year will be 
whoever wins from the track, I 

1975
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think, right? 
Yeah, I'm not sure there's been 

1976
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anyone in the field events 
that's done anything. 

1977
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Val Almezi dominant, Yeah. 
Val Almond. 

1978
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Yeah, Yeah. 
I'm not sure that yeah, that 

1979
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hasn't really been. 
Tara. 

1980
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Tara. 
Yeah, Tara. 

1981
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Tara is the one person who 
could, could, could, yeah, could

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be in the field. 
And then at a stadium. 

1983
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Stadium. 
Has there been anyone super 

1984
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consistent? 
I don't know, like Starway is 

1985
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the only one who's kind of maybe
Starway will. 

1986
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Be take us to Safa with the win 
in in London and then the silver

1987
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medal. 
Yeah, I think that's tricky, 

1988
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right? 
If she'd won gold, then maybe. 

1989
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But I think yeah. 
Salway will get it on the men's 

1990
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side. 
Yeah, interesting. 

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All right, well, we'll save it 
for more end of season, end of 

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season awards talk. 
But wow, I mean, for an 

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offseason episode like that, 
we're almost touching on 2 

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hours, 2 hours. 
But people seem to like the the 

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longer episodes, so we'll keep 
them coming. 

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All right, Next up on the 
podcast, we'll probably have 

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Connor Manson the next day or 
two waiting on him to text me 

1998
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back. 
He's not going to leave me 

1999
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hanging. 
I don't think so, but that does 

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it for another episode of this 
week in track and field. 

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We'll catch you guys next week. 
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