1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,960 All right, we are here live from Asic's house crew Chavez with my 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,640 buddy Clayton Young, fresh off of a finish at the World 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,360 Championships marathon. We're both a little bit banged 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,920 up. I've got my knee issue and I 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,800 think like also your knees are scraped up, your hand is a 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,080 little swollen stitches or no? No stitches, just put the skin 7 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:26,000 back over and hope it heals. All right, so we got to talk 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,840 about this marathon, the build up. 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,240 But let's start with let's start with the build up. 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:37,320 How did this one compare to, I guess, trials, Olympics, Boston, 11 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:39,560 NY? Like you've been stacking all of 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,320 these. Like what made I mean, obviously 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,840 preparing for the heat and humidity. 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,960 We've seen it in the docu series is like that was like a core 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,000 part of this whole entire thing. But what made this one feel 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,320 different? Yeah, this is the first build 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,600 and what like four or five marathons that I've been by 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,240 myself, right? Like I've been training for this 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,600 marathon in my training group and I'm the only one training 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,880 for it. And so that brought kind of an 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,440 added dynamic a little bit where technically I should be 3 or 4 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,400 weeks ahead in of fitness then Casey Klinger and Connor Manson, 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,920 Aidan Troutner and. But it was interesting, like 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,320 trying to navigate that a little bit too, because yeah, like 25 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:22,640 early on in the build, like I was still getting back into 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,120 shape and Connor was already like in killer shape. 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,960 And technically, like, you know, I was, I was kind of hoping that 28 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:33,880 I could kind of be parallel with him throughout this build, 29 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:35,960 seeing as he'd be 3 or 4 weeks behind me. 30 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:40,520 But just in classic fashion, Connor is more fit than ever and 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,000 I'm more fit than ever. And we're just pushing each 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,800 other to the limit. And so this build in general has 33 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,200 been pretty aggressive, pretty hard and pretty fast too. 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,600 And I think it also comes like these fall marathons because 35 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,480 there's a track season kind of in the middle of it and maybe 36 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,520 summer Rd. racing, Rd. racing. We just tend to be on the track 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,160 more. And so I just felt speedier in 38 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,160 general because we're, I'm, I'm doing more track work that 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,560 workouts with guys that are still racing on the track. 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,160 You know, we, we often choose training partners over training 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,800 plans or workouts and so that it just, there's a lot more speed 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,920 early on and I think that translated well to just faster 43 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:24,320 workouts throughout the rest of the build. 44 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:27,760 What was, if it was there any session in particular that you 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,760 thought like, oh OK. Like that's the one that made me 46 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,880 feel like I was, I was prepared for this cause like it was what 47 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,000 12-12 week build up for this one or what? 48 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,280 Oh, 16 at least, maybe a couple weeks more. 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,520 You know, we, we, we get it, we're getting greedy. 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,760 We get greedier and greedier every build it seems. 51 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,640 And you know, the builds seem to get longer, they seem to get 52 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:51,000 faster. So the breaks in between. 53 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,560 Shorter, yeah. So it's just, yeah, if I had to 54 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:02,080 say some key sessions, I did a 12 mile marathon pace workout 55 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,480 and, and that one actually is in the docu series, but essentially 56 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,720 I, I, you know, I averaged 443 at altitude for all of it, 57 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,880 which, you know, if I would have ran another mile and 1/2, that 58 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,120 would have been pretty close to my half marathon PV. 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,480 And, and that was a workout where I was just feeling really, 60 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,920 really good. And, and I did a lot of that 61 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:25,000 work with Connor, which was nice to have him to kind of latch 62 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,840 onto. But that one, that one 63 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,520 definitely stands out. There's a lot of them where you 64 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,440 guys were doing track, grass track like. 65 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,720 Yeah, we, we do these track grass workouts like kind of as 66 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,760 like right after races or, or right after really hard sessions 67 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,480 to kind of still get a stimulus, but kind of give our body a 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,680 break from the pounding and maybe even just doing some 69 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,920 overspeed to kind of flush the legs out from the races. 70 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,320 And so that, that also was something we were doing often 71 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,160 and those ones were coming quicker than ever. 72 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,880 The it's funny like, yeah, those those track loops or those grass 73 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,480 loops are supposed to be kind of tempo pace. 74 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,120 And it's funny because like we when we think about tempo pace, 75 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,280 I think I always used to be like, Oh yeah, tempo pace is 450 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,000 pace, 455 five flat place. You know, that's just kind of 77 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,839 been ingrained in us for such a long time. 78 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,480 But now that we have like these fast half marathon times from 79 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,360 the Houston half, it's like, well, what's tempo pace? 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,600 It's 430 flat. And it's like we're in a, in a 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,840 way, I could kind of become cynical about it, but in a way I 82 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:32,240 also am like, Oh yeah, of course, like things should be 83 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,880 getting faster throughout the years. 84 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,880 And you know, I got a shout out to Connor on that one. 85 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,960 Like he, he pushes the limits on that. 86 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,240 And, and so, yeah, we're just like ripping four 30s on the 87 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,640 grass, which it's I and I would say it's like 60% grass, 40% 88 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,400 asphalt, maybe 30% asphalt. And so it's, but it's got some 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,040 undulation. It's not the best footing, but 90 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,720 yeah, it's it's just gotten aggressive. 91 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,120 So I've been working with Connor on like a separate project and 92 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,240 like checking in with him pretty regularly. 93 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,720 And so one of the things that I think has continued to come up 94 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,960 when I've when I've gone on these calls with him is that he 95 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,440 says like you were looking like better than ever and like ahead 96 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,800 of any build up that he had seen. 97 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,840 So, I mean, did you feel that way the entire time? 98 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,000 Yeah, I think, yeah, obviously in the beginning of the build, 99 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,360 I, I think it's just such a dissonant from the high of the 100 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,040 last build to the low of the next build that, yeah, it takes 101 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,120 a little while to get back up to it. 102 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,080 But for sure I felt like this was my best build yet. 103 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,440 And, you know, there, I guess there was the one hiccup with 104 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,600 the ankle roll about 3-4 weeks out. 105 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:42,600 Yeah. And you know, that had even that 106 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,760 session, you know, we did fatigue mile repeats, 8 miles at 107 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,240 like, you know, 5-10 pace and then three by mile on the track. 108 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:56,520 And I was, I was 3 laps into the second interval and I stepped on 109 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,720 the rail. We were going the opposite 110 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,280 direction. And I don't know if I just was 111 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:03,040 kind of off in my turning, but stepped on the rail, rolled it 112 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,680 inside, outside and tried to run 100 meters more. 113 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:10,520 Because typically when you know, everyone, every runner rolls 114 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,160 their ankle. And when you roll your ankle, 115 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,480 you just kind of like play it off. 116 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,360 You just kind of go through it and and in in a way it's like 117 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,040 you don't want to stop. You want to, you know, motion is 118 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,280 lotion, right? And so I was just like, OK, I'm 119 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:27,160 going to just push through this. And there was like no way that I 120 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,920 could push through it. I followed along like on just 121 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,280 like the next 48 hours after that via like Ashley's Instagram 122 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:36,760 stories and just like all the preventative things that you 123 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,040 guys are trying to do to get any sort of swelling down and that 124 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,560 kind of stuff. So I mean, eventually, I guess. 125 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,400 When did you feel like, OK, that wasn't as bad as it looked in 126 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,840 that moment? Yeah, I think I'm a little bit 127 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:51,120 relentless. You could say I'm a little 128 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,040 stubborn. And so Tuesday, that was Tuesday 129 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,520 morning. Tuesday afternoon, I hop on the 130 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,560 treadmill and I'm like, oh, it feels fine. 131 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,320 And I ripped 7 miles and I'm like OK. 132 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,760 Oh, it was. Did ICE Don't know You you, you 133 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,280 were doing that that afternoon? No, he knew that I was going to 134 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:11,120 maybe try it out, right? And and he, well, and in fact, 135 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,600 he called me that night. He called me that night and he's 136 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:13,960 like, hey, how's it going? I was like, well, I just ran on 137 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,040 the treadmill 6-7 miles and you know, we're all right. 138 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,840 Like it's going to be OK. Little did I know that the next 139 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,960 day, like that's when the real pain would begin. 140 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,440 And so the next morning I woke up and I went on a 10 mile run 141 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,400 with the guys, taped it up and you know, we have this like 142 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,680 slight up the Canyon and background that we do almost 143 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,600 every day. And on the way down, it just 144 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,600 hurt the whole way back, like the classic thing where I should 145 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,880 have maybe ran on the treadmill again or I shouldn't have gone 5 146 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,280 miles out before knowing that I wouldn't be able to make it 5 147 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,320 miles back. But you know, Wednesday 148 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,720 afternoon, I'm like, this really, really hurts. 149 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,720 And I'm stupid. For one, running on the 150 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,440 treadmill yesterday, 2 running this morning. 151 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,400 So I cut my Wednesday afternoon run and Ashley like straight up 152 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,600 just I, I don't even want to say the word injected on this on 153 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,120 this podcast, but like she like injected me with anti 154 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,320 inflammatories. It seems like through all the 155 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,440 food that she was giving me right in that regard, not real 156 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,320 injection, but like we were just consuming so many 157 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,320 anti-inflammatory foods. And by the next morning I woke 158 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,840 up and it was supposed to be, I think we're doing 4 by two mile 159 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,480 big session, like one of the key sessions, like kind of late in 160 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,240 the marathon build. And I just take it, take my 161 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,559 ankle up and I said, I'm just going to run, see how it feels. 162 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,200 Did the warm up. It hurt. 163 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:44,400 Started to work out and was kind of planning on working out with 164 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,600 Casey and some of the other guys, but started feeling good 165 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,720 and kind of went with Nance for a while. 166 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,240 And then anyway, I ended up having one of the best four by 167 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,120 two mile sessions I've had ever. And that's when I was like, I 168 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,440 kind of took a big sigh of relief. 169 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,720 In fact, Ashley showed up after the workout. 170 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,800 She's like, that's the first time I've seen you smile in 48 171 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,880 hours, right? Like cuz I was just so down 172 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,600 above my ankle but. There was like a tiny degree of 173 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,800 you're like, OK, like the race might be in jeopardy. 174 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,880 Yes for sure and and even the days after that like I well 175 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,760 here's what happened. So rolled it Tuesday, work out 176 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,080 Thursday again, the four by two mile had a good Saturday long 177 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,880 run. But then that next Monday I I 178 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,720 finally decided to run with the guys again and go out for some 179 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,520 easy mileage because I've been doing a lot of treadmill running 180 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,040 as my ankle got better. And you know, we were a mile and 181 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,880 1/2 into the run. We were on lovers lane, which is 182 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:48,240 like this little dirt trail that we run on almost every day and 183 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,400 mile and a half. Then I rolled my ankle again, 184 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,800 like, and it, and I look back at the little trail and I, I'm 185 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,080 like, like it was just like this little like crack. 186 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,960 Like it's like this. Like it was like the dumbest 187 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,480 thing. And I was like, you got to be 188 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,320 kidding me. And I was with Jared, Jared 189 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,040 Ward. And I luckily it was a log there 190 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,440 and I sat down and my whole left side of my body just went into 191 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,680 chills like, like goosebumps because it knew what had 192 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:12,720 happened. And I was just like, you got to 193 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,560 be kidding me. But yeah, I, I rolled again. 194 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,840 And that was, I was like, I just felt dumb. 195 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,880 I felt like rolling it on the rail. 196 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,920 Dumb. It's my random. 197 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,560 Little divot, yeah. Just my own fault and that was 198 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:31,720 kind of frustrating, but that was the the only really hiccup 199 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,280 of the build. Luckily I kept the quality 200 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,200 really high. I cut a little bit of mileage, 201 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,000 but everything else kind of checked out well. 202 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,000 But I think maybe the stress of just that whole situation, I may 203 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,200 have overdone it a little bit, but we still got to the start 204 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,120 line. Sauna was already incorporated I 205 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,040 think way before, you know, Orlando, Paris, but like it's 206 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,480 now just kind of become fairly regular, right? 207 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,720 Yeah, I feel like heat training is kind of one of these new 208 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,040 frontiers in endurance sports right now where everyone is, is 209 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,600 kind of pushing the limits. And whether it's in their cross 210 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,600 training or their easy days or just it's just another way to to 211 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,520 get more stimulus, whether it's passive through the sauna or hot 212 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,080 bath or it's active through layered clothing, right? 213 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,680 So. It's like finish easy, run 214 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,440 immediately or or or workout and then into the sauna. 215 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:20,800 What do you like? Yeah. 216 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,080 Our protocol typically is to go on our run, whether it's a 217 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,040 workout or easy run and then right after as soon as we can to 218 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,440 get into the sauna. And I'll usually be in the sauna 219 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,320 for 30 to 35 minutes and I might start at 20 to 25 earlier in the 220 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,560 build. But it's, you know, the last 221 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,760 eight weeks or so, I was maybe even 10 weeks. 222 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,680 That was 30 to 35 minutes, four to five times a week. 223 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,760 How hot is it in there? You know, we need to put an 224 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,960 actual temperature gauge in it. I I would guess it's about 180°. 225 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:58,280 So not like I think a lot of sun is at 194 summer cooler 168. 226 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,720 Ours is about average. Yeah, yeah, it gets hot. 227 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,600 All right. So then once you kind of clear 228 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,520 this hiccup and in training get through the rest of it pretty 229 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,800 healthy. I guess the weird part is this 230 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,680 race having taking place on the other side of the world. 231 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,920 So what was training camp like here in Japan? 232 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,760 And then I guess like, what were you like? 233 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,760 I guess like planning for that certain period of the block. 234 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,240 Yeah, it's, it's kind of interesting. 235 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,080 This is the second time I've ever travelled internationally 236 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,080 for a marathon. You know, you had Paris and, and 237 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,160 this race and so it was all kind of new to me. 238 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,360 I did not transition really well to Paris from like a sleep 239 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,720 standpoint. And so this time, like I did my 240 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,880 research and I and I got on a really good like light, dark 241 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,920 schedule taking melatonin and, and I transitioned really well 242 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,080 to Tokyo. Actually, the nice thing is 243 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,480 that, you know, in a marathon, this last week before the 244 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,440 marathon is taper time. So I didn't have to worry too 245 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,040 much about training. I did get up at like 2:30 AM the 246 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,440 morning of my flight and ripped the long run. 247 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,920 I saw that, yeah. But luckily that worked out well 248 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,680 because then that got me on the schedule to be more like Tokyo 249 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,560 and that. But that was kind of obsessive a 250 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,200 little bit. So that long run on that 251 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,680 treadmill that morning, are you like playing around with like, 252 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:25,200 just like, or was it just a straight flat run the whole 253 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,200 entire time? Yeah, throughout the build I had 254 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,920 done quite a bit of runs that did simulate the course. 255 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,920 Yeah, the Tokyo Marathon, I guess world champs course is 256 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,840 pretty flat, but there is a downhill from the stadium out 257 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,600 and then an uphill back. But the by and large is pretty 258 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:42,920 flat. So for that run, I'd already 259 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,400 done so much simulating. I'd already, you know, watched 260 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,080 so much videos on it that I just did a flat straight run. 261 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:55,040 But yeah, it was, it was like I, I went to bed at 10:00 PM, woke 262 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,440 up at 2:00 AM, went for a 15 mile run, and then caught my 263 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,960 flight at, you know, 7:30 AM. And it's kind of silly, but. 264 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,240 Once you got here, I mean, to where the the camp was like, and 265 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,680 I feel like this is the realization a lot of people are 266 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:13,640 having once they arrive is like, OK, like, yeah, you can do all 267 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,600 the heat, you know, acclimatizing like before you 268 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,960 get here. But this feels like a different 269 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,920 kind of heat for sure. And so like, even for us here in 270 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,840 Tokyo, like it's it was a little bit of a wake up call. 271 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,560 And I'm seeing athletes get in and be like, Oh yeah, like this 272 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,280 is this feels different. Did you also have that 273 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,400 impression a little bit? Yeah, I think initially like we 274 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,520 got off the plane and you could feel it immediately, OK, like 275 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,280 that's there. That's something I prepared for. 276 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,640 And but like you said, we went straight up to altitude and you 277 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,040 know, we took a 2 hour bullet train out to Nagano and then up 278 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,920 to Unamaru and, and the camp up at Unamaru, it was humid, but it 279 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,040 wasn't hot. It was maybe in the 60s for most 280 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,560 of the time and we would drive down to see to these like kind 281 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,040 of more sea level areas where we did get to experience a lot of 282 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,520 heat and humidity. But honestly, like I had 283 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,000 prepared, maybe even over prepared so much for the heat 284 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:12,240 and humidity that I don't know. I just don't. 285 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,280 It didn't matter to me. Yeah, it didn't matter. 286 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,320 You were still breaking out that so honestly up up for like these 287 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,000 little shakeout runs and and stuff and the double s that you 288 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,200 guys were doing and to like it was up until the last moment. 289 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,600 Yeah, essentially, like 2 to three days out is when I stopped 290 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,880 and I just, I just wanted to be prepared. 291 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,440 I wanted to be as prepared as I could. 292 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:39,280 And so, you know, those layered clothing runs that like kind of 293 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,720 good riddance at this point. I did everything I wanted to do 294 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:44,800 everything I could. Yeah. 295 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,320 And you know, if anybody has ever worked with Randy Wilbur, 296 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,560 he's one of the USOPC doctors and he was in charge of the 297 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,560 altitude camp. And he's just his, his phrase is 298 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,800 to be vigilant, just like be vigilant. 299 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,640 And so he just kind of gave us a pep talk when we first all got 300 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,680 up to altitude about, OK, be vigilant over these next couple 301 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,400 days to get ready for the humidity because, you know, 302 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,040 we're up at Unamaru. It's a little cool up here. 303 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,200 So we need to, we need to compensate in other ways. 304 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,040 And so we were layering up and clothing and then they had an 305 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,400 unsent or like a hot bath up there as well that I was using, 306 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,480 which is good. All right, So side tangent 307 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,760 before we get into to your race, why are all the distance races 308 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,040 so slow right now like on the on the track? 309 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,520 I mean, is it partly the heat and humidity? 310 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,120 There's like some logistical issues too, just started with 311 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,120 the buses and the warm up track and all that kind of stuff. 312 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:43,200 What's your theory? Yeah, I I think, yeah, maybe the 313 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,400 over dramatization of the heat and humidity, maybe just like a 314 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,280 little bit of change. And like it's funny, we've gone 315 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,400 through these eras of track and field where it's gone begun from 316 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,000 like the, I don't know, the Ed chess generation to the Yaka 317 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,960 binger Brits and generation. And now we're back to the Ed 318 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,880 chess generation. I don't know, like how do you 319 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,640 describe that? But we're back to maybe these, 320 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,240 you know, we all believe in our kick sort of races. 321 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,000 Oh, I'm not complaining. I I think it makes very 322 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:08,839 dramatic, thrilling finishes. For sure they are dramatic. 323 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:14,240 And yeah, I, I don't know if it's Tokyo or what, but. 324 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,920 Because the track also too is just like famously supposed to 325 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,280 be fast because of what we saw at the Tokyo Olympics, but it 326 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,160 just hasn't translated. It could be timing of the year 327 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,839 and all that stuff. But it's been fascinating to 328 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,480 kind of observe. So like morning of your race, 329 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,520 you wake up. Did you know sort of like the a 330 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,760 couple of the logistical stuff where it's like you got on buses 331 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,440 too. And then they took you out to 332 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,080 Yogi Park, which is like the one place I think that everyone's 333 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,880 been running this whole entire week. 334 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:47,200 And then back on the bus to go to the stadium and get ready for 335 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,560 your guys's first lap on on the track. 336 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,720 Like, did any of that just sort of like that sounds, I think a 337 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,320 bit more stressful than getting ready to get just get into 338 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,800 corral at the New York City Marathon? 339 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,600 Yeah, yeah. It was interesting. 340 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,720 Then the day before the race, when we found out what happened 341 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,560 with the women and, like, you know, these those first couple 342 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,240 days of competition, like, nobody really knows how it's 343 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,640 going to go. USATF doesn't know. 344 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,680 Nobody knows. And so when we got some 345 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,640 information from the women's marathon that, you know, we'd 346 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,320 have to go to Yogi Park and then to the track, it was like CJ was 347 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,400 doing everything he could to talk to anybody about, like, can 348 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,240 we please just go to the track, especially because there's 349 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,640 marathoners, Like, what is the point? 350 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:27,960 It's hot. It's humid. 351 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,360 Like, what? Like, why are we not? 352 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,400 And then, in fact, CJ even saw on the women's broadcast that 353 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,720 there is a track right next to the stadium. 354 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,400 Yeah, it's just like a really, you know, there's not a, it's 355 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,480 not very big. The track is 400 meter. 356 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,160 But like, there's this maybe not a big complex, but he was just 357 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,880 like showing the track to everybody you could find and 358 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,400 being like, why are we not going to this? 359 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,840 Place. And and so he'd really tried. 360 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,040 And in fact, I talked to another athlete from Belgium, Kuhn, and 361 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,240 he thought the same thing. He even got an Airbnb by the 362 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,400 stadium in preparation. So he could just like be here 363 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,320 and know he had to go to the hotel and then to Yogi and then 364 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,720 back to. Oh my gosh. 365 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,680 So it's, it is a little bit fascinating, but once I like 366 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,400 once I got into Tokyo from the altitude camp and I just saw the 367 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,680 chaos of the situation. And maybe this is a little bit 368 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,480 also, you know, my knowledge from the Olympic Games, like 369 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,240 these processes are just so hard to change and they're so 370 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,200 bureaucratic. And so it's like it's almost 371 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,920 better just to be the follower and just to be like. 372 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,320 Everyone's going through this. Like we're just like you, just I 373 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,080 I really do. I pride myself in my ability to 374 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,360 prepare and to think and to optimize, you know, my own 375 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:41,200 training and, like, my own situations, like CJ and these 376 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,120 other athletes we're going through. 377 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:48,160 But sometimes I'm just knowing to quit and just, and just take 378 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,640 it right. Yeah. 379 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,640 And it was interesting, even when we got to Yogi, like, it 380 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,320 was nice. We had our USATF team there and 381 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,560 we're getting worked on and it was fun being with CJ and Reed. 382 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,920 But yeah, we were there early and, you know, athletes were 383 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,000 warming up like an hour and a half before the marathon. 384 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,480 And I was like, why? Why are we doing this? 385 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,000 And and you know, we, I maybe jogged for three minutes, right? 386 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,600 Yeah, I've heard that some people that could did like 1 387 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,400 stride and that was it. And it's like, OK, time to get 388 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,320 back on the bus. Yeah, that was exactly, yeah, 389 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,120 that's exactly what happened. And once I got to the stadium, I 390 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,160 was really trying to find places where I could, you know, jog 391 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,640 around. They did have underneath the 392 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,240 stadium. I could. 393 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,920 I did a couple laps. I did my drills and then once I 394 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,800 got on the track, I did as much as I could. 395 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,280 Yeah. All right. 396 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,080 So All in all, just trying to keep it as normal as possible. 397 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,480 Challenging. First thing is race starts on 398 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:44,560 the track, false start happens. Like what's going through your 399 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,600 mind at that point? We were just sort of like what 400 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,880 is happening? Here it it was really weird. 401 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,720 Well, one of the problems too is I knew that they were announcing 402 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,360 5 or so athletes and I was distracted. 403 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:58,120 I was, I, you know, I was, it was kind of funny. 404 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,920 I was actually one of the only athletes, I was the only athlete 405 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,880 that wore an ice vest out to the track. 406 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,000 Everyone else had been wearing an ice vest, but then took it 407 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,400 off in the call room. And so I was wearing this ice 408 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,080 vest and I think I was fiddling with it or something. 409 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,480 And before I know it, everybody's lined up and I'm 410 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,280 like, well, shoot, like I'm not going to be on the frontline. 411 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,200 And so I didn't even fight. And so I was just doing like 412 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,160 drills and strides while everyone else was lined up. 413 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,160 Like you can see it on the broadcast, actually. 414 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,720 And and then I line up and yeah, I get on the far outside because 415 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,520 I know that that's going to be my best chance to get out and. 416 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,880 You either go to the front or you go all the way to the back. 417 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,440 And like people were lined up four or five deep on the, on the 418 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,000 inside of the track, but on the outside I was on, I was right 419 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,160 behind the front. And so I got out well, and I was 420 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,000 like, sweet, got out fantastic. And then, yeah, you hear them 421 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,800 announcing like fall start, call it back, call it back. 422 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,200 And nobody's listening. Like, so I'm, I'm like staring, 423 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,520 wondering if I should pull up or if like if they're just going to 424 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,000 let it go. And then I start yelling at the 425 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,760 other athletes like false start and like false start guys like 426 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,920 let's come back. And I'm just like hoping that 427 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,360 they will stop because. Because if not, then it's like, 428 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,160 all right, there goes the race. I'm like, well, like what do I 429 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,880 do right? And luckily they all pulled up 430 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,160 and we went back. But it's funny, I knew it was 431 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,720 going to be a while before we all got back in line again. 432 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,720 So I I went back to start line and I went and found my eyes 433 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,760 fest and I put it back on and I had some some friends that were 434 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,080 up in the stadium as well that spotted me and so I was talking 435 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,880 to them again and before I know it they all lined this up. 436 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,640 So I take off my ice vest again and the the race goes off. 437 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,560 Yeah, yeah, race goes off and immediately I guess like it's 438 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,320 not just like someone go, you know, totally going for it. 439 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,200 Pace is pretty slow, right. And it was like you guys are on 440 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,360 210 pace I think right from from the get go. 441 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,080 What are you starting to think there? 442 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,440 And like, what were those early miles trying to accomplish? 443 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,280 Yeah, we had heard from the women that a lot of the the 444 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,560 African talent, the East Africans and the women's race 445 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,800 were trying to slow the race down. 446 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,640 Hands out and everything. Like, and so, you know, Jess 447 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,280 McClain, she's like, just just watch out for that. 448 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,200 Just be careful for that. And and, you know, that was one 449 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,360 of the reasons why they took it out. 450 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,560 And so I was kind of looking for that, but it seemed like, you 451 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,120 know, we were going to a moderate pace and the track, I 452 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:23,320 think my first mile was like a 440 because of the track, But 453 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,920 after that it kind of slowed down and I just forget how big 454 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,680 of a pack these these marathons are, especially in the world 455 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,000 champs. I didn't expect it to be that 456 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,760 big for that long, but you know, the first, you know, 2K, you're 457 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,600 kind of going up these hills. And I was trying to be really 458 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,000 cautious at that. But then once we got on the 459 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,400 other side, I and started going downhill, I noticed most 460 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,680 everybody kind of settling. And that's when the pace all 461 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,960 slowed a little bit. And it was, it was kind of this 462 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,280 trying to decide where I wanted to be, you know, because it was 463 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,120 such a slow pace. There's this idea of like 464 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,040 getting to the front and, and staying out of trouble and being 465 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,560 in position to get bottles. Or there's this idea of just 466 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,640 like floating off the back, being able to take the tangents 467 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,160 and just staying out of, I don't know, trouble like not. 468 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,640 So then. But then you fall. 469 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,400 Yeah, yeah. What caused it? 470 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:23,040 Yeah, so when I go back, so initially when I first fell, 471 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,080 like I was like, OK, I definitely stubbed my toe, but I 472 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,000 didn't know if like somebody had bumped me or or moved me or like 473 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000 I but I there's nothing that I could have. 474 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,240 There was no one to blame. But then later after the race, 475 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,080 I, you know, believe in the run, put out that video of, I mean, 476 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,840 yeah, baseball sliding it on the road to Tokyo. 477 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,440 And essentially when I looked at it from the slow MO, I was, I 478 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,000 had a bag of ice in my left hand and I was moving it from my left 479 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,920 hand to my right hand. And when I moved it to my right 480 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,640 hand, I don't know if exactly what happened, if there was a 481 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,040 little rise in the road or what, but I just, I literally just 482 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,040 caught my toe and immediately, just, like face down, caught 483 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,840 myself with my hands and my knees. 484 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,960 But my left knee is the one that hit really, really hard. 485 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,840 And I immediately wanted to get up. 486 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,320 But I don't know if you've ever seen it in a race where if you 487 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,800 get up too soon, the athlete behind you will just plow you 488 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:20,560 over. Totally. 489 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,920 Yeah. And so I just, like, stayed on 490 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,280 the ground because I didn't want to get kneaded. 491 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,120 And so I immediately was like, OK, just just wait for a second. 492 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:33,880 And then I got to my feet. And as I got to my feet, I, you 493 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,200 know, I did the quick assessment and I immediately saw the 494 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,600 motorcycle come back to me. And I was like, oh gosh. 495 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,480 You're like, they want to show this on TV. 496 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,160 Yeah, I was like, this is all on TV. 497 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,880 And so I was like, OK, what am I going to tell them and what am I 498 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,320 going to tell myself? Because I'm like, and and I 499 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,920 should say this immediately, when I hit the ground, I was 500 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,320 like, I was like Geordie Beamish, John career like 501 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,160 Geordie Beamish in the in the prelims, John career in the 502 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,320 Boston Marathon. Like if they can, if they can 503 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,840 fall and bounce up and like finish strong, like and win, 504 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,000 yeah and win and win 2 point and win. 505 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,160 Like, you know, why not me? And. 506 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,400 And there was a little bit of like, OK, this is fine. 507 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,880 I just need to stay calm. And then when the motorcycle 508 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,040 came back, I was like, OK, I need to like kind of tell them 509 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,480 and I need to tell myself that I'm OK. 510 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,440 So I just like look up and down. I look at my hands, I realize 511 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,160 I'm fine. I recognize I'm learning, OK. 512 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,520 And I, yeah, I just shrugged at the camera, right? 513 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,760 I'm like, we're all good. And I give them a thumbs up and 514 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,480 yeah, like, psychologically I just tried to play it cool and I 515 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,280 think there was an adrenaline spike there, but I like it. 516 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,680 And luckily it was what, 14K13K into the race? 517 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,080 Yeah, early enough in the pack was still bunched together. 518 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,120 Yeah, that I just, I looked up and I noticed nobody was moving 519 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,640 and I was like, OK, I can take my time here. 520 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,920 And, you know, I knew the 15K water station or personal 521 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,560 station was coming up. And so it's like, OK, I'll just 522 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,720 take my time and hopefully be able to catch them by that water 523 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,200 station. And I will say my knee 524 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,280 immediately hurt. It did after the after the fall. 525 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,920 And I was like, Dang it, this is not good. 526 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,400 And even as I kind of started to speed up to catch the lead pack 527 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:17,720 again, that's when I was like, like, that hurts. 528 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,080 And it hurts pretty bad. And if I'm not like if I'm not 529 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,440 careful with my stride, you know, I know I'm fit, I know I'm 530 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,320 powerful, but efficiency is such a big part of this game. 531 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,160 And if your power doesn't translate over to being an 532 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,920 efficient runner, it's like, what's the point, right. 533 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,040 So I was like, OK, I got to be efficient here. 534 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,880 And I felt it pretty much the next 10 to 15 K And then I don't 535 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,280 know if adrenaline kicked in or what, but I, I didn't feel it 536 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,800 too much after that. Yeah, after probably about 25 K 537 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,920 30K. At that point, I guess like I'm 538 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,880 obviously the big move that we can talk about is much, much 539 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,320 later on in the race like a 40K even before that a little bit. 540 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,040 But was there any other big surge or move that really sticks 541 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,000 out to you in that kind of pocket of time? 542 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,000 Yeah, yeah. I remember at one point when CJ 543 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,120 made the move and it kind of went to the front and strung it 544 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,600 out a little bit, but then came back. 545 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,720 And then there was a, there was one move probably about I'd say 546 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,280 about 2728 K as we're heading towards the Imperial Palace 547 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,800 where one of the athletes started really moving and it 548 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,360 strung out and I, and I actually covered the move really well and 549 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,040 I was kind of excited. I honestly was so sick of 550 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,720 running in the pack. Like usually by that point in a 551 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,280 world major marathon or or any race that I ran like it's, it's 552 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,520 down to a pack of guys by then. And it's a lot more breathable 553 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,240 and you can actually like get your fluids, get the ice, get 554 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,200 whatever you need. But up until that point, like it 555 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,280 like the A stations were, were absolute chaos, like like the 556 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,400 worst I've ever been a part of. And and so when that move was 557 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,720 made, just 430 chaos like sweet, like finally, like let's like 558 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,400 get into a better rhythm here. And I covered the move well and 559 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,920 I think I was in the top 10. But then as we turned in front 560 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,680 of the Imperial Palace, we hit like kind of a slight headwind 561 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,920 section and they immediately pumped the brakes and we all 562 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,200 kind of got back to our pack of maybe 20 guys. 563 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,960 Like like, so I remember that one for sure. 564 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,360 And I, I went through a couple of rounds of counting to 100 to 565 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,560 that one just to cover the move and, and to stay present. 566 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,400 But then, like you said, like it kind of was just like, wait, 567 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,120 wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 568 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:38,160 And I, you know, my bottle at 35 K was take a risk. 569 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,720 That was what I'd written on my bottle. 570 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,200 And you know, if, if you followed my training and seen 571 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,320 what I've done, a lot of it revolves around this idea of 572 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,880 these moves late in a marathon and these moves of like doing a 573 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,040 pickup essentially, right. And so I'd wanted to be able to 574 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,280 like do a pickup right at the end of my marathon to run, you 575 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,320 know, 440 pace. Like we, we planned, we 576 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,360 prepared, we trained for that. And I was, I was shot like I was 577 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,320 dead and AT35K and I was like, OK, when's the move going to be 578 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,960 made? And like, let's like I was just, 579 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,840 I was just just kept telling myself like, be ready for the 580 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,680 move. Be ready for the move. 581 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,240 Like, I know I feel terrible. But I, I often times in these 582 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,000 pickups and long runs that we do, like you just dread it the 583 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,040 whole long run. And then you just RIP the 584 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,480 Band-Aid off and you go and typically you've got it. 585 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,840 Like typically you can find a way to muster it out for three 586 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,560 miles or 4 miles. And so I was a little bit like, 587 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,120 I was praying for that kind of a feeling. 588 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,800 I was like, OK, like the moves going to be made, I'm going to 589 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,360 cover the move and I'm going to pray that my legs have it. 590 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:53,120 And so about 3839 KS, we were maybe AK into the hill, you 591 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,640 know, it started to string out. And I don't know if it was like 592 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,240 a definitive move as much as it was just a slow ramp up, but 593 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,880 yeah. I just, I think that's when Cam 594 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,440 started to get dropped. There's one other guy between 595 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,640 you. Then it was then it was you. 596 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,400 And then that's kind of just sort of like when they started 597 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,640 to really go in in the same way of like, I remember your recap 598 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,840 with me, you know, around the Paris Olympics. 599 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,200 And just like how in those late stages of the race, once it does 600 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,880 start to string out, like it's really hard to figure out like 601 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,600 what what to do. Because like maybe some of the 602 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,520 places I've already been decided this time around, like in that 603 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,080 second in, in that, in that closing stretch, like were you 604 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,640 still finding yourself? Like, all right, I can try and 605 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,720 catch that person because obviously the cameras on the 606 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,560 broadcast, like we lose you at that point. 607 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,560 So what what? What is your vantage point of 608 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,720 that? Yeah, I was glad I was able to 609 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,640 entertain the crowd for two hours and what, 4 minutes? 610 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,480 I missed the last 6 minutes of my race. 611 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:58,800 But yeah, when when it started to separate out, I noticed, you 612 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,240 know, if I was, if I was the 9th guy to fall off or the the 9th 613 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,520 from the front, I should say, I noticed two other guys fall off 614 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,200 maybe 40 meters later. And those were the two guys that 615 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,880 I was like, OK, if I can really concentrate, I might be able to 616 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,840 catch those two guys. And, and Paris, we weren't, you 617 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,560 know, after, you know, 4 miles to go, I couldn't see anybody. 618 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,400 It was Connor, it was Connor and I and we were just trying to 619 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,880 find people and we couldn't find anybody. 620 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,640 But in this one, like there were those two guys and I was like, 621 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,640 OK, come on, Clayton, like just do all I can. 622 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,040 And the other thing is I was right next to is it Komodo? 623 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,480 Come on, I'm going to get made fun of for not knowing this. 624 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,640 The Japanese athlete was right behind me and I the only reason 625 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,120 I knew he was right behind me is because the crowds were so loud. 626 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,160 That was what was wild about this race for sure is like I 627 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,360 didn't expect it to be as loud. Like I've heard the Japanese 628 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,000 people are really polite and like golf clap and everything. 629 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,320 But I think the fact that it was a holiday and, and you know, the 630 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,120 men's, I don't know, but four or five, six people deep, it was so 631 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,000 loud. And because I was next to that 632 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,280 Japanese athlete, all I was telling myself was like, don't 633 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,200 get caught by that guy. And I was kind of playing off of 634 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,880 the crowds to kind of know how close he was. 635 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040 And I was like, just don't look back. 636 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,560 And I just told myself, don't look back. 637 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,280 Don't look back. Pull towards those two guys. 638 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,040 And yeah, that's, that was like my big focus. 639 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,120 As we started to enter the stadium, I could tell the crowd 640 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,720 started to die down. But out of nowhere, I don't know 641 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,880 which athlete it was, but another East African athlete 642 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,760 caught me and he passed me and I was like, Dang it, like, no, 643 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,120 like I got a fight here. And so as we entered into the 644 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,000 stadium and got onto the track, he was maybe 5, maybe 10 meters 645 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,800 ahead of me. And I was like, oh, gosh, here 646 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,800 we go. And I, I had done a lot to 647 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,920 prepare for the last 45 seconds to race. 648 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,040 Like from a visualization standpoint, I was like, OK, I'm 649 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,280 going to get on the track and I'm going to like have to do get 650 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,520 out with somebody. Like I just kind of had that in 651 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,400 my mind. And it kind of been a focus for 652 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,719 me this build to, you know, I didn't really have a strong 653 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,280 finish in Boston. You know, I got nipped at the 654 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,120 end. And then like just a couple 655 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,520 other races. It's just like I, I just wanted 656 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:22,480 to be able to finish strong. And so as we got to about, you 657 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,480 know, 200 to go, I, I finally closed the gap on the East 658 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,280 African athlete. And then as we got to 100 to go, 659 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,400 I was like, OK, I got to make a move. 660 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,639 And I wasn't able to really take a risk like I wanted to AT35K. 661 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,920 It was more of just a hang on for dear life. 662 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,000 So I was like, OK, I got to take a risk. 663 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,600 I got to move somehow. And so I, I made, I made a move 664 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,920 and I was fully expecting the other athletes to just turn on 665 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,520 The Jets to just like pull away from me and like respond. 666 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,840 And he didn't even flinch. And I was like, no way. 667 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,440 And I, and I blew by him. And, and even then I still was 668 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,560 expecting him to close. And so if you watch my finishing 669 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:07,000 straight away, like I it's not a pretty Sprint, but I sprinted to 670 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,960 the end and I even lean across the line because I was like, I'm 671 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,360 not losing. Yeah, I saw that. 672 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,640 When you finish, you're like you leaned. 673 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,120 I leaned, yeah, I was like, I I'm not going to let anybody. 674 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,400 I wanted to fight to the end, I guess. 675 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,600 And I guess that's just the mentality I had. 676 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,280 And yeah, it didn't translate to a podium finish or a top three 677 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,680 finish. It didn't translate to me 678 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:36,080 winning. But I don't know, I that's 679 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,840 that's all I could do. Yeah, that's all I could do. 680 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,560 Like I it 9th you match the result from from the Paris 681 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,000 Olympics. Totally different field, though. 682 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,640 Like I think when we look at just sort of the guys who were 683 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,680 ahead of you at the Olympics, only like one or two of them 684 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,040 were were were were here today or maybe not even I think I 685 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,720 forget. Oh, Emil Caress. 686 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,080 He was. He was here, but he finished 687 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,600 behind. You did not finish. 688 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,800 He dropped out late 35 ish. K So there might be like one 689 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,400 other guy who was maybe ahead of you and then participated in 690 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,720 this race. I think the guy, the Ethiopian 691 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,480 who dropped out pretty late, I think, I think he was one of 692 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,640 them. What does that tell you sort of 693 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,000 like about just like now, I guess, and plus the major 694 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,520 marathon finishes, like your ability to hang with just like 695 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,800 the best in the world. Like I think that's definitely 696 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,680 now just 9th at the Olympics, 9th here. 697 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,960 Like you've underscored it that like you can hang with everyone. 698 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:40,040 Yeah, yeah. I think it's interesting. 699 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,600 Like people can look at the World Championships and say, oh, 700 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,000 a lot of the major players opts to go to world major marathons. 701 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,200 Like you look at, you know, Connor, you look at Tola, you 702 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,760 look at Elliot, you look at these big players. 703 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,480 But it's interesting, I think while you might not get some of 704 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,960 the key players that show up to the World Championships, you get 705 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,720 the hungriest athletes at the World Championships. 706 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,480 You get, you get, you get these athletes that are just that have 707 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,200 no guarantee of a payday. And the only way to get paid is 708 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,800 to race and to show up. And so they're fighting for 709 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,600 every spot and especially in that top ten. 710 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,840 And you know, I think a lot of people are afraid of the heat 711 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,080 and humidity. A lot of people were afraid of, 712 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,840 you know, a lot of people wanted to chase times. 713 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,560 A lot of people wanted just a different experience. 714 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,240 And so those that chose to race this, I think were, were in it 715 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,120 or in it for the, the long haul, you could say. 716 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,440 And their preparation for it. I, I'm sure it was pretty brutal 717 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,080 if they were really preparing for the humidity. 718 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,880 Yeah. OK. 9th I, I finished the race. 719 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,480 I went up to coach Ice Stone afterwards and I I was kind of 720 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,320 disappointed, to be honest. And I said, what place did I 721 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,560 get? And he said he took ninth. 722 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:09,600 And I was just like, Dang it. Because like, like, yeah, to tie 723 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,560 the Olympic Games was a little bit like, yes, it's great to be 724 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,960 top ten. Yes, it's great to be single 725 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,920 digits. It's another consistent day. 726 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,560 Yeah. You guys all get sick of 727 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,520 athletes complaining about the results, but it's I can't help 728 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,120 but tell you that, like, it just sucks. 729 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:32,120 Like, yeah, we, we didn't come here to take 9, right? 730 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,320 And I sacrificed so much. I sacrificed so much just from a 731 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,960 training standpoint from, you know, not choosing to race 732 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,800 Chicago, not choosing to race New York, not choosing to race 733 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,960 these other Rd. races. There's just, there's just so 734 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,880 much sacrifice that goes into these races. 735 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,160 And we didn't, we didn't sacrifice this much to take. 736 00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:02,960 And that hurts. And yeah, we're going to be OK 737 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:05,720 Yeah, we're going to be fine. Like, you got to like, OK, We we 738 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,480 take the 30,000 feet view and you're like, OK, yeah. 739 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,920 Best build of my life. Yeah, another consistent finish. 740 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,000 Like I may be the most consistent marathoner than 741 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,520 anybody's ever seen, which is awesome. 742 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,200 Like I can crack into the top ten in any race. 743 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,800 Yeah, it's a great. You know, people would love to 744 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,880 be in my position. And and I had a good friend, 745 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,400 Todd Garner, right. He he had a good conversation 746 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,640 with him the other day about how I remember watching Budapest and 747 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,000 seeing Zach Penn take 13th and being like, wow, Zach did 748 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,600 phenomenal. He's going to be a guy to watch 749 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,480 come the Olympic Games. And you know, here I am now 750 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,960 complaining about 9th. And so just, it's crazy how 751 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,160 perspectives change and expectations change. 752 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,320 And yeah, I had high expectations for this race. 753 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,600 And yes, I enjoyed the process. But yeah, I wanted the outcome. 754 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,320 Will the outcome come? I think eventually, right. 755 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:03,200 These, like I said in my post race interview, like these 756 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,560 marathon builds do stack. You know, this fitness will be 757 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,600 rewarded in the next builds and in the next races. 758 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,880 And so it's just a matter of time. 759 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:20,240 But yeah, we all want it now. We we're greedy and yeah, I, I 760 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,080 think it is. It's also kind of ironic, the 761 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,360 fact that I've taken. 7th at my last three world major marathons 762 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,360 and 9th at my last two global championships. 763 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,000 So it's, it's just funny that I haven't it's, it's just like a 764 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,160 streak, right? And so we got to break 7th and 765 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,240 at world major marathons and we got to break 9th at, at, you 766 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:44,880 know, world global stages. So yeah, those are my initial 767 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,600 thoughts. When do you when do you allow 768 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,160 yourself to start thinking about the next one? 769 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,240 Right. Like, there's what Elliott 770 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:57,520 Ranch, Sydney, and then weeks later announced for New York, 771 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,960 kind of a shorter block. Like, do you have the itch to 772 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,280 get another one in before the end of 2025? 773 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,400 Or are you, you know, thinking about something else? 774 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,640 Yeah, obviously I got to see how my body responds to this 775 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,080 marathon, like with it being hot and humid, you know, ideally 776 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,040 with the pace being a little bit slower, it shouldn't beat up my 777 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,600 body as much, but the heat and humidity also takes more out of 778 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,240 you. That being said, like because I 779 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,320 did fall, like my knee has been really swollen the last couple 780 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,480 days. My range of motion is not there 781 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,240 sounds. Like me right now? 782 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,320 Yeah. Cripple crew elite is what we 783 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:43,000 call it at BYU. But I, I got some imaging, just 784 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,800 ultrasound imaging done right after the race and everything 785 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,880 checked out from like a bone and a ligament standpoint, just some 786 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,480 inflammation on the Bursa. So I think it should be fine. 787 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,200 And this is the time to recover. So we'll see. 788 00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:01,600 I, I, you know, training with Connor Mance and getting, you 789 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,400 know, seeing his drive to chase the American record. 790 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:12,360 I, you know, I think it was like a week or two ago, I, with one 791 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,880 of my workouts, I was like, if I ran a, a marathon today, a flat 792 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,360 and fast marathon, I'd break the American record. 793 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,280 Like I was pretty confident in that ability. 794 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,520 And I think I still AM. And so I'm excited to see what 795 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,840 Connor does in Chicago and I'm excited to see if maybe there's 796 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,920 an opportunity for me to chase the American record before the 797 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,560 year ends. You know, it's, it's not 798 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,280 official, it's not out there, but there is a chance that I hop 799 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,240 in a race before the end of the year. 800 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:39,880 And, and, you know, I'd love for Connor to go get the American 801 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,160 record and then I'd love for me to, to, to go take it. 802 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,360 And, you know, we can play the, the Mondo Deplantis between 803 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,560 Conor and I for as long as we can of, of getting the American 804 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,960 record. But that'd. 805 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,960 Be fun, hopefully your contract bonuses also reflect just as 806 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,320 much as Mondo's making for these world. 807 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,960 Records. Seriously, I have no idea what 808 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,240 Mondo's is, but if we could play that game I and I think 809 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,520 typically in most contracts it's like only once per term meaning. 810 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,240 That's what I thought too. And that's why I was wondering 811 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,720 about, like with Mondo doing it so often, Like, did something 812 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:15,720 change in his contract? Because he used to only do it 813 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,600 like once or twice a year, and it's like now this year he's 814 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,640 done it four times. And so unless he just doesn't 815 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,240 care about the money anymore, which could be a possibility, 816 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,000 he's already made so much. Yeah. 817 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,880 All right, So then also while you've been here, I've enjoyed 818 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,520 the last 24 hours of your Instagram Stories because eating 819 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,760 everything, it seems like like there was a Snickers bar that 820 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,320 melted and you still ate it. Then you're getting into just 821 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,720 some of like the local delicacies, like what? 822 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,400 What's been the most fun part of that? 823 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,320 And then last night karting around the city at 10:00 PM, it 824 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,880 was like usually you're probably like 2 hours deep into sleep at 825 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,840 home at at by 10:00 PM. You guys can probably all tell 826 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,880 how tired I am right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, it's 827 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,720 interesting. Like when we went up to altitude 828 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:14,720 camp, they, you know, they provided 2 American chefs, USA 829 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,480 track and field did and and that was really awesome. 830 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,440 And so we got to eat semi normally up until the race. 831 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,360 And so after the race it was like all bets are off. 832 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,720 Like I'm eating whatever I can find. 833 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:30,080 And but yeah, I think the meal of the trip so far has been the 834 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,720 little ice creams at the seven elevens. 835 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,720 Like a better vanilla ice cream. Oh, I haven't had. 836 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:39,160 Them yet they're like cool, cool, coolish yeah coolish and 837 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,560 then you know they have so many varieties of like top ramen fast 838 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,360 around like cup of noodle ramen and that's probably like maybe a 839 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,480 little bit of shame here in in Tokyo when there's so many good 840 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,840 ramen places. But when you need something 841 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,440 quick. We got back really late last 842 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,800 night after go karting and they had like a Curry ramen and I've 843 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,040 never seen it in the United States. 844 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,200 And it was, it was so good either. 845 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,280 I was really hungry. But yeah. 846 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,640 And then yeah, last night we here in in Tokyo, obviously they 847 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,760 drive on the left side of the road and they also allow you to 848 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,760 do go karting on the roads. It's crazy. 849 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,280 It's it's insanity. It's like, and what's funny is 850 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,320 like it's definitely a tourist thing. 851 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,280 You know, we went up there and we walked in and it's like the 852 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,240 most, it's the most Americans I've seen all trip. 853 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,560 And I'm just like, oh gosh, we fell into the tourist trap. 854 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,240 But it was it was a blast. It was a good time. 855 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,560 And so we got to, you know, hop in these go carts and they teach 856 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,560 you how to drive them and they get, you have to get an 857 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,120 international driver's license and. 858 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,360 That's right. Which I learned you can just do 859 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,880 online and it takes like 10 minutes. 860 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,640 Is that true? We had to do ours before we left 861 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,800 the next. OK. 862 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,360 So we went to AAA, paid some money and they, there's no test. 863 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,760 They just simply just like, translated your US driver's 864 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,120 license to an international driver's license. 865 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,800 So you could, you know, give it to people in Tokyo. 866 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,080 Yeah. But yeah, it was it was a good 867 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,160 time. Some of the people opted to 868 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,400 dress up. I wore a hat and yeah, you just 869 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,400 RIP around and it was it was a good time. 870 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,800 You follow a guide on one car and we just. 871 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,840 Cruised, I saw that. It was like, I can't like what 872 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,280 happens if you get caught at a red light and like he goes on 873 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,480 with that. Yeah. 874 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,240 I mean, it's like, yeah, they, they would pull over and then 875 00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:21,400 you'd eventually make it. It was kind of interesting 876 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,800 though. He, he could read the lights so 877 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,800 well though, like he could tell when he was going to turn yellow 878 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,320 and so he'd slow down well before. 879 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,720 So we'd hit the yellow and then the red. 880 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,000 There was one time, though, I was in the back of the pack. 881 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,560 You have to stay in order and you have to like stay in line. 882 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,720 It's a little bit honestly, it's a little too regimented for me. 883 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,600 Like I, you guys don't know this side of me, but like, I love, 884 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,400 I've, you know, I love go karts. I love motorcycles. 885 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,400 Like I, I have my motorcycle. I, I RIP around like, and so for 886 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,080 me to like fall in a line and like be all rule obeying 887 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,840 Japanese is really hard for me. In fact, Ashley, my wife, she 888 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,320 was behind me for most of the, the, the go karting experience. 889 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,440 And I would like kind of put in a little swerve here, swerve 890 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,760 there. And you're not supposed to. 891 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,040 And so she was like, Clayton, you signed a paper. 892 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,440 You signed a paper. And I was like, I know, but you 893 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,680 know, what are we in go karts for? 894 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,240 Right. And and then eventually I made 895 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:18,320 my way to the back and I kind of got to do some, some swerving. 896 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,400 There you go. But nobody knows that. 897 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,920 Yeah, anyway, it was a good time though. 898 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,720 Yeah. Well, Clayton, I appreciate you 899 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,720 taking the time for this. Love always recapping and 900 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,600 reflecting on these marathons with you. 901 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,600 We've got just an anthology at this point and I want to keep it 902 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,680 going. So let's get another marathon on 903 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,640 the horizon and we'll keep this going. 904 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,280 But congratulations on another great block, another strong 905 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,200 performance and it's coming. Like I feel like the big one is 906 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,720 is going to keep coming. Amen. 907 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,720 Got to keep the faith. Thanks for having me, Chris. 908 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,880 Of course, we'll keep swinging.