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Welcome to New York City, Chris 
Chavez here with Aisha Protlier,

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Eric Jenkins and Kyle Merber for
the Sidious Mag post show 

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And you're going to want one to 
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Held after an amazing Milrose 
Games, this meet once again I 

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think always just lives up to 
the hype. 

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We're going to go through all of
the different races that went 

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down, but top level I guess. 
What were your overall thoughts 

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on the day? 
Could it be a track meets? 

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Welcome back to Track Meets. 
I mean, it always delivers that 

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we we take the heat for saying 
it, but it's the best track 

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meet. 
Of the year we we take the heat 

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from people in Europe, but I 
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universal agreement that this is
like the marquee indoor meet. 

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I would say take away, don't 
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Kind of. 
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all over the place, all over. 
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And lights were off. 
In some cases even like the I 

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don't even think he needed 
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the 3K and the two mile OK, 
we're getting. 

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Pacers Yeah, yeah, we're getting
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But we don't need Pacers, we 
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need AI. 
We just got AI. 

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Eric, overall thoughts on the 
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I mean, it's, it's hard to be in
a bad mood when you end with the

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Wanamaker miles. 
They're always a bad, they're 

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always so good. 
And the it's, it's the energy's 

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very high, fantastic meet. 
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athletes in every single race 
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it's impossible to have bad 
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finish the meet off and not be 
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On to piggyback off of that, the
the fields that are assembled 

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let you know how good of a meet 
this is and how great the 

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atmosphere is that on February 
1st we're we're pulling some of 

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the best fields that you can 
possibly imagine in the world to

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New York on really crazy 
freezing cold weather with a ton

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of snow outside. 
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I'm I'm glad that we're all, 
we're all here, the gangs back 

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together. 
I heard tickets were 195 at the 

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door. 
Yeah, like for a track. 

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Me. 
That's sick. 

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And Chris and I have a plan. 
No, I don't say it yet. 

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We're going to hit the resale 
market hard. 

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I think next year we get a few 
bots. 

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We buy a lot of tickets. 
As soon as they go on sale, we 

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resell them on the secondary 
market. 

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Look, we buy so much lollipop. 
Yeah, we, yeah, we've got 

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$273,000 deficit to make this. 
Is my first idea. 

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We're calling back Kyle. 
Getting us out of this hole. 

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And we start by reselling 
tickets. 

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Great. 
I mean, if we're, if we're not 

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taking PR risks by bringing you 
back, this won't put, this won't

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set us back at all. 
That's a $2072. 

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IOU might want to hold on to 
that one. 

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All right, Should we get into 
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Let's get going. 
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hit the sprints at the 
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takeaways. 
Danielle Williams looked 

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fantastic. 
Amazing clothes to win the 

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women's 60 hurdles 7.90 over 
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Charlton. 
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athlete and we see her having 
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She's a world champion, she's a 
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her having two back-to-back wins
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rest of the year. 
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she came off the last hurdle was
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I mean, I wish that there were a
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end and just could have run this
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she had so much speed by the end
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I always think just like how 
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cushioning over there. 
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Remember when Ashley went over? 
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They're coming with some 
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That could have happened to any 
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by the fact that world champion 
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best at 7:52 to take the win 
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Roberts. 
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apparently had no plans of 
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this might make you reconsider 
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Dylan Beard, who is kind of the 
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Anderson pointed at yesterday, 
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so his race kind of went awash 
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But good showing by Cordell 
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A rumor. 
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anymore because we just come on 
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But I heard Cordell might. 
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At some point this indoor 
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olden days when he was more than
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Because he was what he did. 
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Maybe the 1500, who knows? 
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But I do believe that's the end 
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hurdles. 
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All right, then we go over to 
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Dina Asher Smith taking care of 
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Just to be Jason Steers like 
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competition there. 
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confidence. 
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moves and make coaching changes,
uproot your life, get in a new 

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system, make new friends. 
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know, 2 back-to-back wins has to
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good and feel resolute in her 
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Talking about momentum here, 
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something you could take away 
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Me, Akeem Blake, another guy 
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performance after performance, 
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of Elroy Eloy Benitez from 
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like, this is his. 
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made the most of this 
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This was a fundraise to watch. 
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Lavell's performance here? 
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season building 1 of the biggest
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indoor circuit. 
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It's sort of like all right, if 
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stages races as like a test to 
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indoors? 
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Like you know what, let's just 
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season. 
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early on in April that you can 
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right? 
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error, and this just gives him a
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Yeah. 
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sprinter perspective, we just 
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names here, right? 
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conversation with one of the 
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the sport. 
They don't hate me. 

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And he was just telling me like,
they take so much time off after

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the season. 
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of like you take a week and 
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February you're you're ripping. 
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them you take more than a month 
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just not ready to go yet. 
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reasons why we aren't seeing a 
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Yeah, I think probably it'd be 
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indoor season to see just like 
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championship finalists from the 
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all, because I think it that 
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All right, then we got go on 
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of the day, and that was the 
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women's 3000 meters, which was 
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831.39 new collegiate record. 
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that this is the one race where 
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little bit. 
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projected finish time was and it
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seconds over what the collegiate
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And then right to the front, 
Nzomi Tanaka, which we were just

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like, all right, well, this is a
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my play into her hand, but she 
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keeping everyone on the gas. 
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really brave running. 
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Doris Lemingold to take the lead
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And what is it, Team Manchester 
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I bold like I, I love the 
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that race. 
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Jane Hennigren third. 
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time list with her 834. 
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Big run by Hannah. 
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I mean take time up, crumple it 
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garbage. 
Like this is racing at Melrose 

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and we got to see people have 
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tactical awareness. 
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and she's an incredible athlete.
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great things to come from Jane. 
But when you look at racing on a

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world stage, it is different. 
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great race coming off a lot of 
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Doris showed her chops here. 
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positions before. 
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and she knows when when her time
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So I'd love to see her come out 
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It's. 
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Yeah, go for. 
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we've raised her expectations 
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Like, I was like going through 
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She's a freshman and it's almost
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Like she's a freshman. 
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the expectation? 
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beat all the pros and said the 
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way. 
That's unprecedented, right? 

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We don't see teenagers. 
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do, but it it typically takes 
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develop. 
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teens taking down. 
We don't see the Cam Myers is on

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the on the women's side. 
It takes a little bit longer to 

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develop and to get through the 
system and to get, you know, get

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your legs under you to be able 
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field. 
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Jane coming in 3rd 834, that's 
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Tag a good thing. 
I think it's OK. 

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I'm like, look, she looked a bit
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She very. 
But that's when you're as 

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talented as she is, you've run 
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That that's just the type of 
things we're going to say about,

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right. 
It's like, it's not like, Oh 

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yeah, yeah, she's a freshman, 
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history for NCAA over the 5K. 
She is somebody has earned for 

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us to talk about her like that. 
Doris just was looked fantastic 

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today was it was a perfect race 
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She sat on Jane the entire race.
Nazomi, the NCAA. 

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The NCAA record went down 
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pushed it a little bit, kept it 
honest and and but not honest 

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enough for to drop the likes of 
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And if you're curious if you're 
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of course you will, because 
she's going to China for the 

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Asian champs. 
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tonight, Next week Asian champs 
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going she's. 
Going through security. 

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She's going to morning play too.
I she mentioned something to me 

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about Australia. 
She should have like there 

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should be like a Where in the 
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We need a tracker. 
A healthy tracker. 

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I I I I don't know if she's 
announced this. 

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Yep, but she's working on a 
book. 

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My God, you. 
Might have just out. 

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OK, look guys, at some point 
you're gonna need to stop 

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dropping things that people are 
telling. 

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Me about trusting. 
Us. 

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Well, it was. 
It's really good news and nice 

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news. 
She's working on a book. 

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It's a children's. 
It's a murder murder mystery. 

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Nothing to do with, nothing to 
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And it focuses on last. 
Year, it's smart. 

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It's not. 
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Fella, she was like, I've seen 
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rivalry. 
There's no track. 

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I'd love to see this in writing.
It's about last season and how 

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she obviously like raced all 
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And so she is going to kind of 
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everywhere and be able to 
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And I think it all culminates in
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race at a World Championships on
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So super nice. 
She came over and talked to both

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me and Kyle afterwards and yeah,
just great. 

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She's a very easy athlete to 
root for. 

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Going back to Jane Hannigan, is 
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this as a learning experience, 
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leading into the NCA 
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Obviously Doris is gonna have a 
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It kind of eases the pressure on
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she wins, it's sort of like, I 
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today's. 
Results. 

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I think it's important part of 
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learning to process losses. 
I mean, there's a number of 

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athletes today who had fantastic
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suddenly a new season and where 
it's like, well, you should win 

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in a world record. 
And if they don't, how do you 

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process that and how do you move
on? 

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And like, how many beers are you
going to drink tonight And how 

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hard are you going to hammer 
your long run tomorrow doing 

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those toxic things that will set
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career for a really long time? 
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It is part of the process of an 
athlete. 

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If you if you think that you're 
it's just going to be great 

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races and wins, then you haven't
been the sport long enough. 

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This is part of this. 
And it's also it's great for for

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the viewers. 
It builds, it's been building 

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this Jane and Doris rivalry 
that's fantastic for the NCAA, 

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fantastic for the sport overall.
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maybe it's a it's a benefit for 
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you hungry. 
It's something where you go, OK,

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this is what it's it's more 
knowledge for future races where

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it's like, OK, this is where 
Doris ran really well, right? 

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This is where I didn't run that 
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This is where I felt I could 
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well today to take forward to 
the next one. 

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So yeah, it's just part of the 
the learning process. 

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Like you mentioned, she's still 
so young. 

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So it's she's got nothing but, 
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But it's it's going to be very 
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head again in March. 
You can either utilize bill Rose

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games as like just continued 
momentum Bill you build 

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confidence from it or it's the 
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and sets you straight for the 
rest of the outdoor season. 

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So the, I think there's a lot of
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Then over in the women's 600, we
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with another victory. 
That's two victories in the 

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last. 
No, actually not 2 victories 

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because she finished second in 
the 800 in Boston, but ran 

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phenomenally. 
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in 124.87 APB for 600 meters 
over Juliet Whitaker. 

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this one. 
Again, it's just what we we're 

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just continuing to see this 
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that like, I don't know, I'm 
not, I'm having fun watching to 

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see her very publicly explore 
how good she can be. 

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There's no ceiling, right? 
It's incredibly exciting to see.

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I think I turned to you and 
slapped you on the on the 

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shoulder and said go to world 
indoors. 

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I know, yeah. 
You can't at this point, there's

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nothing to lose. 
There's only experience to gain 

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only only time to gain only 
exposure to the the biggest 

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stages and the the brightest 
lights and and enjoying that. 

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I mean, especially as an 
American for this is an off 

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year, right? 
There's there's one, there's one

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world champion. 
It's indoors. 

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Why not? 
I mean, I'd love, I'd love to 

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see it. 
Like if you think about the 

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likes of who you'll be racing, 
there aren't, there aren't that 

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many people that can can measure
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And she looked incredibly 
strong, incredibly poised. 

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Her tactics are perfect. 
Her positioning was amazing. 

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The way she was able to close 
out that race just just shows 

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you how much ability she has. 
There's this one thing Eric 

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always says, and it's strike 
while the iron's hot. 

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Do I say that? 
And you just should, like, if 

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you're fit and you're ready to 
go and there's a world 

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championship, you got to go with
200 meters to go. 

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It was so obvious that she was 
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And just like putting a coaching
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just keeps getting better and 
better. 

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And like, she just looks so 
strong and her stride looks 

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smooth. 
And we know that that's just 

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going to continue to develop. 
She's still obviously young. 

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But Michaela Rose took it out 
probably as we all expected. 

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Machine never looked panicked. 
Never. 

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Looked. 
Any way but out of control and I

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think she had more time in her 
and but just was running to win.

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It's it's it's her tactics were 
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600 it can be tough to she just 
gauged the race perfectly, 

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right? 
Maybe she probably knew OK, this

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is Michaela Rose is somebody 
who's going to get out hot. 

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I think she was in like third, 
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really ahead of her. 
There was really and no doubt it

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seemed like it was just like, 
oh, we were all, you know, 

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talking as it's going on. 
And it was just like, this was 

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her race. 
She ran very well. 

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I mean, what an amazing weekend 
for her, right? 

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It's got to be such a fantastic 
confidence and like mentally one

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of these those weekends where 
you're like, OK, I came in, I 

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just broke the American record. 
And then the next day I came to 

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Melrose and I won the biggest 
indoor meet of the year to to 

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something that I've always said 
is you've got to strike when the

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iron's hot. 
And I told you something. 

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I do think I don't really why 
not do world indoors? 

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Because I mean, it's. 
Not too late, right to change, 

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if you're a coach to change. 
The schedule, I mean, why not 

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us? 
Well, you would you would watch 

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even if you're like, Oh no, like
we're going to stick to the 

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plan. 
You watch this, there's no way 

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you watch the weekend that she 
had and go, maybe we should I 

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mean to. 
It's so rare to come by metals, 

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global metals on the world 
stage, life changing, but it it 

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really does change your life and
it would change your your whole 

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mentality for the sport, how you
view yourself as an athlete. 

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And if you're going to pass that
up for what? 

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Because there's it isn't off 
you. 

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What what like you're gearing up
to not do? 

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There's no outdoor 
championships. 

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Yes, there's world ultimate, but
it does. 

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I would if I would assume it 
just doesn't make sense in my 

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mind after the how, how fit she 
is, how great she looks. 

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Why just keep it rolling? 
Keep it rolling. 

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The the last couple years have 
definitely been like the men's 

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800 has just seen just sort of 
like this tipping point where 

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like everyone's running 142 or 
faster. 

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Yeah, this is the year for the 
women's 800. 

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We're seeing it already just 
sort of like Victoria Basong, 

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who is fifth at British Champs 
since running the number 8 all 

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time mark in the women's 8. 
Rocheen goes off and runs 157 

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this morning. 
Audrey Werro goes and runs 157 

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as well. 
Somewhere out in in Europe Like 

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it's so. 
Young talent come through. 

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It's it's young talent and I 
think like they've all, I think 

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gotten to this point where 
they're like, OK, there's a 

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little sense of belief that come
outdoor season, we could take a 

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shot at this world record that 
has been sussed for so long. 

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And like, Keely has been kind of
at the forefront of that. 

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The only thing that made would 
would Keely running something 

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crazy fast in at British Champs 
or at one of these openers that 

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she's going to leave in lead you
as Rasheen to change your mind 

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about going to World Indoors. 
No, not at all. 

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I mean, First off, a great 
opportunity to raise someone if 

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they're in amazing shape. 
Most competitive athletes love 

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that. 
Also there are three medals. 

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And also, I think we all thought
Keely was going to win world 

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champs and, and that's why we 
run the races. 

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So you know, when you're, this 
is what we do like you race and 

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that's after today. 
I wouldn't necessarily doubt 

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Rosheen's ability to continue 
coming through one 24125 and 

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some race in the future and 
feeling good now that this is 

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under her belt. 
Rosheen's this is This is going 

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to be a big year for her. 
We're big on Rasheen. 

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Yeah, we're we're big on Maggie 
Congdon and Rasheen. 

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And like we, we, we very clearly
have picked our favorites for 

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Nozoba Tanaka. 
Like we've got our our favorites

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for 2026 already. 
All right, so let's move on over

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to the men's two mile, which was
probably the event of the day 

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coming into it, a lot of hype 
and attention and then. 

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A couple hours before the start,
we get this news that Grant 

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Fisher has withdrawn. 
He was kind of dealing with a 

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little bit of a sickness over 
the last couple days he went 

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through. 
Poor guy. 

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That's what you heard. 
Sources. 

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Yeah, he told me. 
This is digestive system like 

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this is gun health you. 
Know what he could have used it 

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seems. 
Like he needs. 

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An lollipop. 
He used an lollipop. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
We the actual terms and 

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conditions, we're not sure about
the state of his digestion, but 

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we were devastated when we heard
it on the subway on our way 

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over. 
But it completely impacted the 

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tactics of the race. 
Genuinely the worst news you can

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get. 
It's like one guy scratching for

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the two mile. 
Like literally anyone but Grant 

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Fisher. 
As soon as Grant Fisher's out, 

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they go. 
Well, time's out the window. 

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Yeah. 
So if you're one of the other 

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competitors, you're Cole Hawker,
you're Josh Kerr on the on the 

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bus ride up. 
What are you thinking? 

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Now, well, it's a fantastic 
First off, it, it, it, it is a 

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huge just curveball in the sense
of like, OK, this does change 

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people's tactics. 
Are you Cole Hawker in this 

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scenario? 
Hey, you're Cole and you're, 

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you're, you're. 
Yeah. 

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I'll be. 
You can be Ethan Strand. 

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I'll be Ethan Strand. 
Well, actually, OK, so Cole got 

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the way the race played out. 
Ben Allen did a fantastic job 

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pacing. 
I want to say on this, I want to

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see your Cole Hawker impression.
With like, I don't, I don't do 

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impressions guys. 
Don't make me a song like that. 

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But but Cole sat right off and 
he didn't go like he he made 

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sure he goes. 
I am not going to. 

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I mean, it was a very smart race
in the sense where he goes, I'm 

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not just going to be the one to 
go with this insane pace. 

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And I'm going to sit back. 
I'm going to go like we've like 

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we've seen him do in races where
he's not afraid. 

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He's not making it super slow, 
right, But he's so he's but he's

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not going to be like I'm going 
to cover this rabbit and and do 

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anything it takes to get on him.
He didn't do that. 

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He sat back and it was still 
just an unbelievable race from 

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start to finish, but it wasn't 
nearly as fast as we thought it 

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would be. 
In Mo Farah, that's sort of when

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it's like even there were like a
lot of Pacers, a lot of hype and

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attention is going to be a crazy
fast race. 

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And then when MO keep down 
inside, it's like, no, I've got 

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the best kick in the whole. 
Field MO MO would do differently

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because it would it would be if 
if let's say Grant Fisher was in

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the race and was trying to make 
it fast and Cole gets to the 

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front and just says none and 
let's slow it down. 

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That was more of like the like 
the MO plan. 

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And then he would run very slow 
for a couple laps and then the 

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00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,360
East Africans would be like, 
he's doing it again. 

447
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,560
Somebody just please get in 
front of them, but not me. 

448
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,480
They would argue against one 
another. 

449
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,960
Paul to knew he would be like 
someone's got to get in. 

450
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,200
Front here. 
But yeah, I I thought it was, it

451
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,520
was very savvy racing by by Cole
to to know kind of like what 

452
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,040
strategy fits his race plan the 
best. 

453
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,560
He's so good at doing just fast 
enough that no one's going to go

454
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,840
around him, but slow enough that
he's going to have the best 

455
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,000
kick. 
It's not, it's not slow enough 

456
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,760
where people are still strung 
out. 

457
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:04,920
Right. 
People are still hurting. 

458
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,640
It's still hurting. 
It's not enough where 

459
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,200
everybody's feeling great and 
everyone's going to be in there 

460
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,720
in the bell. 
So yeah, you saw like guys that 

461
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,880
we thought would be at the bell 
no matter what the pay. 

462
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,000
Like Ethan Strand, one of the 
top guys in the field, was was 

463
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,840
it's still fast enough to make 
the top guys her, but not enough

464
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,360
for Cole Hawker to not have his 
his vintage signature kick. 

465
00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:30,880
It's honestly the smartest move 
you could possibly make in that 

466
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,680
situation, right? 
Because if everybody's running 

467
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,240
on American record pace, on 
world record pace, they're OK 

468
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,560
hurting, right? 
And if everybody's running slow,

469
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,480
they're knowing it's tactical. 
But when you hit that like icky 

470
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,800
in between pace, it doesn't feel
comfortable. 

471
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,440
But you see the time and the 
clock psychologically. 

472
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,160
I'm Ethan Strand. 
I'm thinking like, hey, we're 

473
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:52,160
we're going slower than I 
thought we were. 

474
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,160
But it's still really, really 
hurts. 

475
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,320
I'm uncomfortable. 
I'm not sure what to do. 

476
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,560
You start building that that 
doubt in your competitors. 

477
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,880
It's it's a brilliant, brilliant
move to do. 

478
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,200
And it's hard to guess that pace
of like, what is just going to 

479
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,600
be fast enough that I'm that I'm
hurting everyone just enough. 

480
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,800
Yeah, that that I can. 
I can still kick to win. 

481
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,560
My boy Ethan died out there 
today, but he he fought a good 

482
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,960
fight. 
Yeah. 

483
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,760
Yeah, but you, I mean, on to the
next one, I think. 

484
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,240
And he probably learned he's 
like, OK, that's not how I cover

485
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,120
that move. 
All right. 

486
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:22,960
You're Josh Kerr. 
What? 

487
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,400
What was your day like today? 
If I'm Josh, I am the world 

488
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,640
record holder. 
I'm not going to do a thing to 

489
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,680
make that faster like that's on 
someone else to make it quicker 

490
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,480
and so. 
Record lives. 

491
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,440
The record lives. 
He's still the world record 

492
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,280
holder it it does mess with your
plans a little, but I don't 

493
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,640
think Josh was ever going to be 
the one to take it. 

494
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,560
I will say though, if if you 
would have told me at the start 

495
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,800
of the night like hey, eight O 
7's going to win this thing 

496
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,880
then. 
You'd have thought George 

497
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,040
Beamish. 
Then you think George possibly, 

498
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,520
you think you know, and he was 
coming. 

499
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,600
He was coming, but there. 
Was one more lap. 

500
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,680
He needed like like 50 more 
meters and and he would have got

501
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,520
it. 
He was just a little bit too far

502
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,760
back to to be able to take the 
win. 

503
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,640
But he moved. 
I mean he was sitting in nearly 

504
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,360
last place and he he comes up 
5th. 

505
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,840
I thought so. 
Cute. 

506
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,640
There are little kids, so 
there's a lot of there's a lot 

507
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,320
of post race yeah, yeah, 
workouts happening and someones 

508
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,360
little kid is out there just 
absolutely sending it behind 

509
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,160
some pros and it is very cute. 
They're they're dapping them up 

510
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,880
afterward. 
Alright, so can I give some 

511
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,760
flowers? 
So Ben Allen did such an 

512
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,920
unbelievable job casing and it's
not because he went out and he 

513
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,120
just ran next to the lights for 
five flat. 

514
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,080
So First off, he allowed a lot 
of time. 

515
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,280
Rabbits love to get out so hot 
and immediately open up a gap 

516
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,160
and the way he allowed them all 
to settle a little and then cut 

517
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,240
in and take the pace allowed 
Cole to immediately latch on 

518
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,440
without grant there. 
There's a lot of question of 

519
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,960
who's probably going to be the 
one on top of Ben, and Ben 

520
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,960
allowed them to figure that out.
And then Paul didn't want to be 

521
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,320
there. 
It was quite obvious that he 

522
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,200
didn't want to go with Ben every
single step of the way. 

523
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,360
So there's people who are going 
to be going back and re watching

524
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:07,360
this race explain to folks what 
was Ben doing when he yo yoed 

525
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:10,280
back? 
So at some point it became clear

526
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,000
to him that Cole was not on top 
of him. 

527
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,800
He does little look backs over 
the shoulder, which is allowed 

528
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,240
and encouraged if you're the 
rabbit. 

529
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,160
And he stepped out on the turn a
little bit, got on the outside 

530
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,080
of the lane and slowed it down. 
Just the hair, nothing dramatic,

531
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,240
but just enough to allow Cole to
reattach. 

532
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,960
And then once it was clear that 
Cole had attached and he didn't 

533
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,880
worry about the pace lights, he 
didn't worry about the meat 

534
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,800
director saying that he has to 
run a certain pace. 

535
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,520
He just helped them out. 
And that's exactly what he did 

536
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,040
because he picked it back up and
he started winding it back up 

537
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,400
and he's like, all right, Cole's
back on me. 

538
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,960
No gap is for him. 
If Ben would have done the thing

539
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,560
where he would have just no I'm.
Just. 

540
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:50,800
Now they're not running eight O 
7, they're running 815 because 

541
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,920
then they're jogging at a 
certain point and let's them get

542
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,840
away. 
So I thought Ben was a veteran 

543
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,840
in the way that he did it and 
allowed it to end up being a 

544
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,800
great race. 
Huge kudos. 

545
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,560
More flowers. 
Graham Blanks. 

546
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,640
Yeah. 
Because when, when Ben stepped 

547
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,160
on, yeah, we needed the one guy 
to go out there and put the foot

548
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,240
on the gas. 
And it was and it was Graham who

549
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,880
probably also like, you know, 
he, he's thinking it's like, all

550
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,880
right, this is a little bit 
slow, but I'm also, I don't have

551
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,800
the sharpest kick of everyone in
this field. 

552
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,400
So I have to pull this thing 
from 800 out at that point. 

553
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,320
Yeah, and and like he, he did a 
great I think whenever he took 

554
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,600
over, I remember the next the 
next 400 up until it was the 

555
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,160
fastest of the race at that 
point. 

556
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,480
Yeah, Parker Wolf looks 
fantastic, really good, really 

557
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,080
good. 
Like great racing out of him. 

558
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,880
He makes a third. 
I think I like 400 to go, but I 

559
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,040
mean, Cole Hawker like really 
was never. 

560
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,400
I mean, it was a pretty easy win
for him. 

561
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,840
I mean, I know like Kyle said, 
like, oh, he didn't really want 

562
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,360
to be in the lead. 
I kind of think he did want to 

563
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:52,920
be in the lead. 
He gets in the front. 

564
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,480
You want to push, you want to 
push, but it's like he does such

565
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,400
a good job being in the front 
and controlling the race from 

566
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,960
the front. 
And you would think, oh, like 

567
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,200
he's doing a little bit like the
rabbit is there and he's not 

568
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,080
really going with the he's right
where he wants to be dictating 

569
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,680
the race. 
Kerr was, I thought Curl look 

570
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,120
great today. 
Best uniform? 

571
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,280
Unbelievable. 
Get up the glasses, the hairs. 

572
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,520
Or he's mogging on these guys 
out there. 

573
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,440
It's looking like clavicular out
there just absolutely dominating

574
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,520
them. 
I thought he he he great to see 

575
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,440
him back in form after, you 
know, pulling up in the in that 

576
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,680
1500 final out world. 
So I but again, but Cole just 

577
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,640
never really looked out of out 
of the element. 

578
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,720
It was just it was all he looked
smooth in control. 

579
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,680
I think the the lowest he got 
was like third with 400 to go 

580
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,920
and he just kind of he kind of 
dominated it and. 

581
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,600
He's Olympic champion, world 
champion, champion. 

582
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,840
I can only imagine Colt's 
confidence coming in. 

583
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,000
Favorite moment of the day? 
ME director Ray Flynn favorite. 

584
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,160
Moment of the day. 
There were a lot of favorite 

585
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,840
moments of the day. 
I don't know that one race stood

586
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,600
out. 
They're just all, there's five 

587
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,280
or six really, really exciting 
competitions. 

588
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,160
Yeah. 
I mean, besides the the 2 miles 

589
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,840
and they want to make her mile 
and the women's mile. 

590
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,800
Yeah. 
I mean, they were just awesome 

591
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,360
races, 600 with Cooper, the 800,
Colin Salomon winning. 

592
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,120
They were just awesome. 
How hard's your job to every 

593
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680
year it's like this just makes 
it harder and harder for next 

594
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,520
year. 
It's like, how are you going to 

595
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,760
top this next year? 
In some ways, in some ways it's 

596
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,160
harder, but in some ways it's 
easier because I think now the 

597
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,040
athletes really want to compete 
at Melrose. 

598
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,480
It's like I want to go to 
Melrose. 

599
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,200
It's really special. 
I mean, you look at the the 

600
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,240
environment here, the 
atmosphere, the, you know, the 

601
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,360
lights, music, the people, the 
tuxedos. 

602
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,440
Well, that too. 
It's all part of the OK. 

603
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,640
We do it differently here, but 
it's a tradition and it's, you 

604
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,360
know, people say to me how how 
much they love to me, you know, 

605
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,000
so it's going. 
To be great. 

606
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,440
So in that moment we're just 
talking about the two mile. 

607
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,800
You have Josh and Cole battling 
it down. 

608
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,040
I'm thinking about Paris, the 
1500. 

609
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,720
You have your athletes battling 
for the How are you doing in 

610
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,400
that last 200? 
Well, I I knew exactly what was 

611
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,360
going on Both. 
Of. 

612
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,240
Those guys wanted to win. 
You can tell that. 

613
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,960
And one of them is going to win 
it, you know? 

614
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,920
And you couldn't tell what was 
going to happen. 

615
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,680
But it was another epic finish, 
right? 

616
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,840
Yeah. 
They always deliver do. 

617
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,640
You think the the I know how you
feel, but I'll allow you to 

618
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,160
extrapolate out. 
But like the the need to always 

619
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,440
be chasing times. 
But in that two mile, it was 

620
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,520
just a race. 
Yeah, I think we got hyped up on

621
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,080
records last year because we got
spoiled and we had these two 

622
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,720
world records and you kind of 
had that in the back of your 

623
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,880
mind here. 
But really this, this meet 

624
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,160
became about racing and we saw 
some great racing tonight. 

625
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,080
I mean, all around. 
And, you know, I think that's 

626
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,400
what it became about, and we all
loved it. 

627
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,040
We did. 
Has Ray ever been on the CDs Mag

628
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,760
podcast? 
No, this is his first time. 

629
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,280
My God, that's huge. 
Ray, all you. 

630
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,680
Stars here. 
So, yeah, yeah. 

631
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,640
I got luck with you guys. 
Thanks for the race too. 

632
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,120
The CDs mag women's 1K. 
It was a lot of fun too it. 

633
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,160
Was. 
It was. 

634
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,240
Yeah. 
All right, Ray, we'll let you 

635
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,440
get back to your party. 
See you shortly. 

636
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,640
I'll come over and hang out. 
Thanks, Ray. 

637
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,920
Thanks, Ray. 
Thanks, Ray. 

638
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,920
Thanks. 
Ray, All right. 

639
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:18,760
That was me director Ray Flynn 
and putting a bow on the men's 

640
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,720
two mile talk. 
I mean, both of his guys won two

641
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,960
Again, I guess like for context 
to folks who may not be as 

642
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:31,000
familiar, Ray Flint Sports swept
the podium at the Olympics in 

643
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,240
the 1500. 
And it might have been the best 

644
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,200
day of his life, maybe second to
having his kid and and his 

645
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,920
wedding day. 
But that's probably up there for

646
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,480
that guy. 
He actually said my wedding day 

647
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,360
was one of the best days of. 
His Yeah. 

648
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,320
All right, OK. 
He did say that, Yeah. 

649
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,480
It was his wedding day, like the
birth of his kid. 

650
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,440
And then it was Kyle's wedding, 
and then the Paris. 

651
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,680
I was like what the hell? 
And then Eric says you got to 

652
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,280
strike while the irons he's. 
Like, and Ray goes, that's 

653
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,680
actually brilliant. 
Brilliant thing to say, Eric. 

654
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,000
All right. 
We had the men's 600, Cooper 

655
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,360
Luckenhouse 114. 
This, I guess technically the 

656
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,360
world lead for 2026 because Josh
Hoey's time was at the end of 

657
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,480
2025, technically high school 
record. 

658
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,680
I believe so, yeah, he'd 
probably. 

659
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,600
Have to be it was will 
Summoner's 115. 

660
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,760
It's just. 
It's like now you. 

661
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,080
Have to probably cross check to 
like where it is on the U18U20 

662
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,840
list at this point. 
It's getting ridiculous like 

663
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,560
you. 
Look great today. 

664
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,960
I thought this was a fantastic 
race by Cooper. 

665
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,600
Tactically very sound, right? 
He sat in a in a great spot and 

666
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,280
made one pretty just one 
decisive move on the bell lap. 

667
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,600
And I thought I was, you know, 
he's clearly in great shape. 

668
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,680
He ran 145 last week and this 
was another step in the right 

669
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,880
direction and he's looking like 
a real savvy pro out there. 

670
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,280
If you're a 16 year old right 
now, look at the record. 

671
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,680
It's like, all right, the U18 
world record is 142 for the 8:00

672
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,480
and 3:40. 8 for the mile like 
just focus on racing the record 

673
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,640
book's going to be tough just. 
Just get some New Balance 

674
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,520
Nationals and have a good time. 
Worry about screen, race, state.

675
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,800
Learn how to win. 
That's all you got to do, Prom. 

676
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,440
Yeah, like the eight hundreds. 
You're not getting the record. 

677
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,000
Go be this. 
Go be this kid. 

678
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,920
There's a kid on the Germany Joy
High School. 

679
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,160
Yeah, you can get good as a pro.
Let's give a shout out to 2nd 

680
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,080
place Genoa McIver 114 Seven. 
400 guy out of Florida. 400 guy,

681
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,920
44 low. 
I believe he was on the mixed 

682
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,120
4x4 last year at worlds, has 
like an 800 best of 149. 

683
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:53,000
But if he's moving up, 114 is a 
nice little boost to some 

684
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,840
confidence there. 
He looked very smooth. 

685
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,280
Yeah. 
And you know, he's the one who 

686
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,760
controlled the race till Cooper 
took over. 

687
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,120
Who's been the most in the last 
decade or so? 

688
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,680
Most successful American to move
from 400 to the 800. 

689
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,840
Brandon Johnson. 
He was a 400 hurdler. 400 

690
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,080
hurdler. 
Yeah, he ran 143. 

691
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,560
Made multiple teams, right? 
Yeah. 

692
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,639
In 2013, yeah, that was a great 
year. 

693
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,719
It's a good trivia question for 
folks. 

694
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,760
All right, a relay teammate. 
Yeah, that's right. 

695
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,560
All right, we go to the City of 
Smack Women's 1K, where I could 

696
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,520
tell you that holding that 
finish line tape was so nerve 

697
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,239
wracking. 
You guys came back shell shocked

698
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,920
from that experience. 
I, I didn't have a like a heart 

699
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,280
rate monitor on my watch or 
anything like that, but I would 

700
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,960
have loved to have had that data
because I was nervous. 

701
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,000
I'm standing on the inside of of
lane one, of course, because I 

702
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
wasn't going to actually. 
Stand who got in and who got 

703
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,040
out. 
I didn't think I would be 

704
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,360
confident in letting go at the 
right time. 

705
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,280
And so Max stood on the outside 
and he let go of his of the 

706
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,360
finish line as soon as they they
said as soon as the person makes

707
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,680
contact. 
Mac nailed it. 

708
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,480
Meanwhile, my job was just to 
hold the tape for as long. 

709
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,280
Just don't don't let go and then
smile and look the opposite way.

710
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,880
But when Siga de Gomez coming at
you full speed, I'm like looking

711
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,000
at her instead. 
So all the finish line photos, 

712
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520
I'm not looking toward the. 
Camera, I feel like you had more

713
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,960
to lose than Mac, so that's 
probably no offense, but you 

714
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,120
know, like if Chris screws 
everything up then. 

715
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,680
I I wouldn't hear the end of it 
for the big day, not. 

716
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,720
Be good. 
Yeah, it would not be good. 

717
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,920
Anyway. 
Mac's not on camera. 

718
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,240
We had a facility record Armory 
record in the cities Mac Women's

719
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:35,520
1K by Siggy Deguma in 235. 
They had requested the world 

720
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,840
record Pace and then no one went
with it. 

721
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,680
Kudos to Victoria Boss Song 
because she was like right on. 

722
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,400
This on the preview show, if you
request off the pace world 

723
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,320
record, you get off the pace. 
Oh yeah. 

724
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,480
On the pace, yeah, get your ass.
On the we were talking about as 

725
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,120
soon as Grant Fisher scratched 
from the from this meet, 

726
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,960
everyone goes, time's around, 
Yeah, we're not running, we're 

727
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,600
not going to try. 
Let's just raise. 

728
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,960
Yeah. 
Yeah, but in this? 

729
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,400
Case No crazy diarrhea. 
We're not running, OK? 

730
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,040
We are just racing. 
And that's exactly what they did

731
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,080
in the City of Smack Women's 
1000. 

732
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,920
Yeah, no one went. 
It was Victoria, and Victoria 

733
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,120
nailed it. 
She came through 2859 one 30 and

734
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,560
was right on it, but everyone 
else was was further back. 

735
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,280
So it was Siga de Guma, then 
Addie Wiley Indoor PB 235 and 

736
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Maggie Congdon making progress. 
I'll say third place 235. 

737
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,560
Severely boxed the the entire 
time and not the perfect 

738
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,200
position, but she showed poise 
and resolve. 

739
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,080
She hung in. 
She didn't try to to push her 

740
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,440
way out of of her situation. 
She rode the rail, moved up as 

741
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,640
far as she could. 
She saw a gap opened up and and 

742
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,120
tried to slide up as as well as 
she could. 

743
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,840
But I mean, we talk about how 
big of a fan we are on. 

744
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,520
Think she knows at this point 
that Cities mag is big Maggie 

745
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,560
Congdon fans? 
I'm in stock. 

746
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,800
We don't if we don't stop 
talking about it, yes. 

747
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,960
It will. 
Get back. 

748
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,960
It's going to be actor just like
you and and Beatrice, like the 

749
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,280
word will travel. 
These Beatrice are doing great. 

750
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,840
Yeah. 
So I mean, if you guys, if you 

751
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,960
guys and Maggie Congdon are as 
good as me and Beatrice, I'm 

752
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,160
happy for you all. 
Right, you were. 

753
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,680
You were adding one more point. 
I don't remember what it was, 

754
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,080
but yeah, a great race. 
Good to see you CJ Takuma back. 

755
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,560
I mean, she's, she's truly one 
of the greats in the 800 meters.

756
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:34,600
So yeah, the the speed win wins 
over strength today and a great 

757
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,760
race all around. 
It is Meg Women's 1K, you'll 

758
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,320
never forget it. 
I, I, I know we just did the 

759
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,960
whole thing about records, but 
it is just amazing that like Jen

760
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,000
Toomey's American record has 
continued. 

761
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,200
What is it now? 
And and the world record is now 

762
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,800
27 years old or something like. 
Mottola ran in 1999 and then. 

763
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,480
Thousands run pretty frequently.
That's. 

764
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,440
What I mean like not? 
3419. 

765
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Frequently I'd be you as well. 
It's. 

766
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,800
It's, it's, it's one of these 
things that you would think it's

767
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,720
gone. 
I mean, every other record seems

768
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,160
to be getting broken every 
single year. 

769
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,800
Here's what we do. 
We put Roche, Dean and Maggie in

770
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,600
A1 KBU. 
We our heads explode because we 

771
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,400
don't know who to root. 
For yeah, it's the city of. 

772
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:18,880
Women's 1K at BU Valentine, 
Yeah, would be would be a great 

773
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,840
race. 
Then we go over to the Burgess 

774
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,760
Stanley Foundation Men's 800 and
what a statement Victory here by

775
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,600
Collins. 
I think this is probably the 

776
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,840
biggest statement. 
I mean, this is probably the 

777
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,840
performance of the day in terms 
of like expectations coming in 

778
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,560
and he just and Colin Solomon 
NCAA record in the 800 meters. 

779
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,320
Barely his name barely uttered 
on this pre race show yesterday,

780
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,440
but that's because, you know, 
when you have the likes of 

781
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,320
Donovan Brazier and Bryce Hoppel
and Mohammed added to me, like 

782
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,840
you gravitate towards those and 
that's great. 

783
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,320
Yeah. 
It's like he's, you know, even 

784
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,000
in the lead up to it, everyone's
5142 guys and Colin Solomon and 

785
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000
it's like, no, now it's like no,
Colin Solomon and all these 

786
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,600
other guys. 
I'm like trying to think what 

787
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,320
his best event is now. 
Now I'm it's. 

788
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,240
Crazy eight. 
I mean, it's tough to say. 

789
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,240
I mean, he didn't even make, did
he make NCAA's? 

790
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:11,200
Last? 
He didn't make NCAA's. 

791
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,480
No. 
I don't think he made the final 

792
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,960
in the NCAA's outdoors in the 
15. 

793
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,120
No. 
Yeah, so I mean like, think 

794
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:24,200
about how deep the NCAA, like 
Colin Solomons range on just 

795
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,880
beat Donovan Brazier pretty 
handedly beat Grace Hobble. 

796
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,040
He beat an unbelievably stacked 
field today in just a fantastic 

797
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,720
race. 
You could see him when he went 

798
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,120
crossing the finish line looking
in his face like this is like 

799
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,920
This is why all like all that 
hard work pays off in a in a 

800
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,720
split second when you cross that
line. 

801
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:44,800
I thought it was a fantastic 
race. 

802
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,920
What was you ran 144? 
Yeah. 144 It's just like my mind

803
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,480
is so blurred from like we've 
been watching this kid since he 

804
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,120
was in high school and he was 
like part of these Newbury Park 

805
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,000
4 by 4 by miles Newbury Park 
High School dynasty. 

806
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,480
High school prodigy. 
And and then from there it goes 

807
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,480
out to NAU running in the mile 
jumps into 3K. 

808
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,000
It's like he's he's he's he can 
do it all. 

809
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,720
And for some reason even. 
Last year at the Olympic at the 

810
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:15,360
US Championships, like sneaky 
guy in that 800 and like, I 

811
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,360
don't know, it's, it's like if 
you're at some point you for a 

812
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,960
year, you should maybe force him
to pick, right. 

813
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,440
Like. 
What's What's the move? 

814
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,880
It's so rare to see a guy who's 
run this fast in the 8 also be 

815
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,960
what is he like A. 13th instead 
of like cross. 60s and instantly

816
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,120
cross. 
That's crazy. 

817
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,120
Like I think he's Lopez Le Mans.
I was going. 

818
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,000
To be my next. 
Who was the last person? 

819
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,400
It's got to be Lopez Lopez Le 
Mans 800 meter champ at at NAU, 

820
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,680
right? 
And also an unbelievably 

821
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,680
talented distance guy. 
But you just, it's very rare to 

822
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,840
see it. 
He's like, it's Colin Solomon's 

823
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,160
like a 730. 
What? 

824
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,680
7353K? 
Yeah. 

825
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,280
So his PR is now 447.9. 
I mean, Kyle, you were talking 

826
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,040
about that before. 
Yeah, yeah. 47 type speed in for

827
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,960
a distance runner is like the 
guy has some serious rules and 

828
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,640
he doesn't really look like he 
should. 

829
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,880
You. 
Gotta. 

830
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,040
Get him in the ways. 
His form, his form isn't like 

831
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,360
you like you watch him 
mechanically run. 

832
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,360
It's not super clean, right? 
It's not like where you're like,

833
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,520
oh, this is a guy who 
mechanically looks like he can 

834
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,080
really Sprint. 
I think he's got the stiffest 

835
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,200
like ankles, though he they are 
trampolines. 

836
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,520
Mac has given me a yes. 
He's got trampoline, he's got 

837
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,400
those tendons are just 
absolutely ready to explode off 

838
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,040
of the track once he can dial in
the upper, once he can get the 

839
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:41,120
the hip to nip going. 
Today was a fantastic it was an 

840
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:46,600
outright 800 meter PP for him. 
So 144 is 7 and his 1500 is 333,

841
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,400
so 3. 
His mile is 352 is 3K736. 

842
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,280
It's 5K is 1338. 
He speaks 7 languages. 

843
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,800
He got a perfect score on the 
SAT. 

844
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,160
It's like, what can't this guy 
do? 

845
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,840
Fuck this guy. 
And he can fuck. 

846
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,400
So. 
And he's a selfless lover, God. 

847
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,680
So I guess like the common theme
right now is just sort of like 

848
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,360
now is the opportunity where 
people are kind of there's a lot

849
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,320
of early season success right 
now and it's very tempting to 

850
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,040
buy stock in these this young 
talent as of right now, like 

851
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,280
you, you get you get to invest 
only in one. 

852
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,120
Who are you investing in of all 
of the young bunch that we've 

853
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,560
seen today give? 
Me like a multiple choice. 

854
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,760
Option. 
OK, so like how old do you? 

855
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,320
Have to be like Colin Solomon, 
Rosheen, Willis, like they're 

856
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,920
Cam Myers. 
Cam Myers, which we'll get to in

857
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,640
a bit. 
Z count, but we're not. 

858
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,920
He wasn't. 
Here, Yeah, yeah, he's like. 

859
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,040
I mean, it's Chris's game. 
I don't know. 

860
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,280
What are the rules? 
Yeah, how the rules the? 

861
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,560
Rules are you have to be either 
in still in college or first 

862
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,400
first year pro. 
Who are you buying the talking? 

863
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,880
Right now I'm taking Rasheen. 
You're taking. 

864
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:05,280
Rasheen I think having we were 
talking about this earlier is 

865
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,600
knowing how to lose and when you
are a phenom and you're coming 

866
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,480
up and everything is perfect and
everything is great, you don't 

867
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,560
develop the resilient skills 
needed. 

868
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:20,280
And she's showing ability to 
race at, at a varying, varying 

869
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,600
distances, varying tactics and 
she gets it done. 

870
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,760
And she she's been in the low 
before and she's experiencing 

871
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,720
her high and that's just going 
to keep going. 

872
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,000
It's just going to, it's a train
and I'm on it. 

873
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,320
All right, who are you buying? 
Who are you buying? 

874
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,600
I. 
Was going to buy that kid who 

875
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,440
was doing this. 
Kid is on the trap. 

876
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,800
He's still he's he's, he's doing
threshold. 

877
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,800
He's right over there. 
Going to be. 9:00 I'm going to 

878
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,240
he's. 
Like, look, if you're going to 

879
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:49,880
do the whole workout, lead a 
rap, Ollie whore's like, dude, 

880
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,480
stop sitting on my ass. 
Make a rap. 

881
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:55,080
Are we allowed to talk about 
other events now? 

882
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,240
Because I'm going to go Cam 
Myers. 

883
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:00,000
OK, All right today, but we're 
not on the mile yet. 

884
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:00,760
We're. 
Not on the mile yet. 

885
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,120
We're not on the mile yet. 
I'll give. 

886
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,080
Him out on the mile? 
Why in a little? 

887
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,120
OK, I'll go Cooper. 
Yeah. 

888
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,720
He's. 
Pretty good. 

889
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:08,560
He's pretty. 
Good. 

890
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,720
Very solid, yeah. 
You're like, wait a second, 

891
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,040
super. 
Hot ticket item right now. 

892
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,840
You're like he checks the box. 
First year pro 142 guy. 

893
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,200
Yeah, I'll take. 
Him. 

894
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,720
Yeah, he seems like a solid bet.
Chris. 

895
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,240
I'm, I think I Eileen Rochine 
right now as well. 

896
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,760
Sorry, Dagan already. 
Sold. 

897
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,400
Yeah, I. 
Enjoy bidding war. 

898
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,520
Yeah, new. 
Who else could I pick? 

899
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,240
Maggie Congdon, you. 
Like this game? 

900
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,440
Maggie Congdon X. 
Video new We cannot be We cannot

901
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,760
be this obsessed with Maggie 
Congdon. 

902
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,440
All right, Next up we've got the
women's Wannabaker Mile. 

903
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,880
Nikki Hiltz having one of the 
most historic. 

904
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,640
Trophies. 
Another absolute. 

905
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,440
Like another big scratch. 
Yeah, Dorcasy boy scratched 

906
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,800
earlier this morning. 
Diarrhea. 

907
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,960
Something at the Meat Hotel, 
Yeah. 

908
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,320
Brutal, she told me also. 
Writing a book. 

909
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,120
Yeah, also reading a book. 
She told me how to talk about 

910
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,160
it, but yeah, it's another, it's
smut, another thing. 

911
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,680
It's like the athletes have to 
text Ray when they scratch from 

912
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,880
the meat and then they have to 
text Eric Y I'm. 

913
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,720
Like how many? 
How many of these athletes are 

914
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,800
writing smut novels like 2 very 
Looking Houses? 

915
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Numbers that he never doesn't 
have saved. 

916
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,360
Yeah, it's just. 
It's just like, it's just an 

917
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,960
unknown number. 
It just says diarrhea and I'm 

918
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,200
like damn it and I'm like and 
who is this the? 

919
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,320
5th person who's texting the 
word diary. 

920
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,400
And then and then they also said
in chapter 1 of their novel, I'm

921
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,320
like, this is hot. 
This is really good stuff. 

922
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:56,920
All right, Yeah. 
But also yes, big big scratch 

923
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,840
from Dorcas but Nikki Hiltz 
first. 

924
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,320
First Maker Mile. 
Maker Mile victory. 

925
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,640
How more times? 
How many times did they come in?

926
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,560
They've run Milrose 6 * 5 or 6 
times I think at this point. 

927
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,760
A veteran. 
And all I think maybe closest 

928
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,880
finish may have been third last 
year it it was George Underbell,

929
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,800
Heather McClain, then Nikki may 
have been the finishing order 

930
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,960
last year. 
That's what I'm trying to 

931
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,520
remember. 
But always shows up to this meet

932
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,440
and finally gets rewarded with 
the victory in a very smart 

933
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,920
race. 
I think taking it with four 

934
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,080
hundred 400 meters to go with 
world championship bronze 

935
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,840
medalist Jess Hole on your 
heels, I, I mean, that's a scary

936
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,480
thought. 
Jess looked much better than 

937
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,040
what she did from Boston. 
So then it was just really. 

938
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,280
It's really the other way around
as far as positioning goes. 

939
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:00,880
Yeah, usually you see Jess kind 
of pulling and Nikki being the 

940
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,400
hunter, but Nikki looked 
fantastic in that last 100 hold 

941
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,960
away from Jess. 
Great to see Jess look a bit 

942
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,840
better. 
Yeah and more like herself and 

943
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,000
New Balance last week. 
But yeah, fantastic race. 

944
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,560
I was I would have expected to 
Sinclair a bit closer to. 

945
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,400
That's what I thought of. 
Sinclair kind of just ran out of

946
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,400
gas and baiting, but was was 
right up there towards the 

947
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,280
reading. 
For a while and we don't really 

948
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,680
see that much leading out of 
her. 

949
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,120
She kind of, she loves the 
pocket, yeah, loves to sit in 

950
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,960
the pocket. 
And if Dorcas was there, maybe 

951
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,400
that's where Sinclair would have
sat. 

952
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,920
Just she didn't have it there. 
I think Gracie Morris was also 

953
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,760
up front push to taste for a 
little while. 

954
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:48,000
But you know, I kind of just 
love the dynamic style that 

955
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,600
Mickey's had, has been able to 
figure out ways to win races. 

956
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,640
I think for a long time it was 
Mickey closes hard, very fast on

957
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,800
the last straightaway. 
And now they've kind of proven 

958
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,480
that they can take it and really
wind things up. 

959
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:06,240
Usually what like 300 go indoors
has been sort of like where 

960
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,800
Nikki has made their move and 
it's like now you're kind of you

961
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,560
build up a little bit more 
strength. 

962
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,680
You could you're able to extend 
that a bit more and now today 

963
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,640
pulled it with 400 to go. 
So we're seeing again in a quote

964
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,680
UN quote off year, just sort of 
athletes experimenting with 

965
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,440
tactics. 
And for Nikki, this is just sort

966
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,160
of another card into their 
playbook for I guess the plan 

967
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:32,000
may be double at USA Indoors. 
They were able to come away with

968
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,480
victories in both the 1500 and 
3K last year. 

969
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,440
And sort of like we see a 
performance like today, assuming

970
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,080
that Ellie Saint Pierre only 
goes all in on the 3K, you have 

971
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,400
to probably slot in Nikki as a 
favorite. 

972
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,680
And I kind of just kind of maybe
similar to Jess will brush this 

973
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,480
performance off for Sinclair. 
I saw enough in Boston to 

974
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,360
believe that Sinclair can be in 
really good shape for Usas. 

975
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,440
And so that's just, I mean, that
was the those were the team 

976
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,120
members that ended up going to 
the World Championship final in 

977
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,960
the 1500. 
And like, wouldn't shock me if 

978
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,880
that is, you know, sort of the 
12. 

979
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,880
Oh yeah, it'd be a very great 
team if that was do we do. 

980
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,040
Do we know if they plan to run 
World indoors? 

981
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,600
I think when, when, yeah, Mack 
is nodding his head. 

982
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,240
But Nikki, I think it posted on 
their Instagram story just sort 

983
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:26,440
of like, this is my indoor 
season and I believe from here 

984
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,400
Nikki will go and run a 3K at 
the JDL fast track. 

985
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,400
That's gonna be a great meet. 
Yeah, yeah. 

986
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,160
And I think because Ellie Saint 
Pierre was sick and unable to 

987
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,520
race here, that kind of maybe 
alters plans. 

988
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,440
And so Ellie might also be at 
that meet as well, so. 

989
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,600
We've been talking about Nikki 
for for the last few years, 

990
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,360
watching their scent, watching 
the skills develop of winning 

991
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,720
races from a variety of 
positions, getting really that 

992
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,160
aerobic strength to be able to 
go with these really fast paces 

993
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,520
in Diamond League. 
And we're looking at the, the, 

994
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,840
the potential of, of a world 
medal, right? 

995
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,640
Yeah. 
I mean, Nikki got one in 24. 

996
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,360
Yeah, and the intention is 
strong and, and this really 

997
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:15,320
plays into going into an LA 28 
like a long storied approach of 

998
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,440
look, let's get really, let's 
get really good at winning races

999
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,400
at the biggest stages and the 
highest levels and, and let's 

1000
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,400
see what it looks like at A at a
world indoors. 

1001
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,520
I mean, the, the 1500 is the 
best it's ever been. 

1002
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,840
And to be able to compete and to
be able to meddle in these 

1003
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,680
situations requires 
unprecedented levels of 

1004
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,400
strength, speed, tactical 
prowess. 

1005
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,280
And we're watching them collect 
all of the pieces that they they

1006
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,480
need to have. 
And it's really exciting to see 

1007
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,760
as a fan to get something that 
has been eluding them for years 

1008
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,320
to see that moment. 
And, and we were sort of in the 

1009
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,200
corner watching the celebration 
and you could see how much it 

1010
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,200
mean to them that they're 
holding the rocket, the trophy 

1011
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,800
above their head like this was, 
you could see the the emotion 

1012
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,880
that this was coveted. 
And I'm glad. 

1013
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,680
I'm glad to see it. 
Heavy trophy, yeah. 

1014
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaking of world, indoors going
to Poland, Great race from 

1015
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,560
Claudia Kasmerska, Polish 
national record today, 4/21. 

1016
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,760
Yeah. 
And her teammate, or I guess 

1017
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,000
former teammate, right, Wilma 
Nielsen. 

1018
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,840
Yeah, Wilma Nielsen was. 
Just missed the incident play 

1019
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,920
record. 
Yeah, Wilma Nielsen was in the 

1020
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,640
8th place 423 running for 
Oregon. 

1021
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:33,200
Her teammate Jelana Yildiz just 
ran at Arkansas this weekend and

1022
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,000
also ran something pretty fast. 
But I think this puts Wilma #2 

1023
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,560
on the NCAA list. 
Those two, I mean, they're 

1024
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,600
always, I think really fun to 
watch when they're able to go 

1025
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,920
head to head. 
But yeah, I mean, there's the 

1026
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,520
middle part of this race. 
There's got a lot of PBS where 

1027
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,080
it's like Linden Hall, 421 PB, 
Margo Appleton in 6th place, 422

1028
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,040
PB. 
And. 

1029
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,120
And for Margo, you watch this 
race and if you are familiar 

1030
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,400
with her from the last couple 
years of watching her run at 

1031
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,160
UVA, like she's someone who has 
been just further back and like 

1032
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:10,040
this leaves it for her kick and 
is able to try and navigate 

1033
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,080
traffic and sometimes 
successful, maybe sometimes able

1034
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,040
to come up in second or third. 
Like she's always been really 

1035
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,880
close. 
And today I think running with a

1036
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,440
little bit more confidence is 
already going to show. 

1037
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,920
OK, you got the nerves out from 
your pro debut at New Balance 

1038
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:27,040
Grand Prix. 
Now actually stick your nose in 

1039
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,960
it. 
I'm very I I I Margo is another 

1040
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,920
one to possibly watch come this 
outdoor season. 

1041
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,800
A little biased because Team New
Balance, Boston and Mark, yeah. 

1042
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,040
There's this element of getting 
that confidence onto the pro 

1043
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,960
scene. 
I think it's, you know, when 

1044
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,240
thinking about someone like 
Margo, you would maybe see that 

1045
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:46,320
at like the US championships or 
an incident of Blaze. 

1046
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,520
But what's funny is that ACCS 
you would actually take races 

1047
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,080
from the gun and like make it 
really honest. 

1048
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,160
And ACCS has been very 
competitive over the last 

1049
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,240
couple. 
And now at a new level, it does 

1050
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:57,960
take a little while to get and 
be like I do belong And having 

1051
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,280
coming out early in your, you 
know, professional debut and 

1052
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,680
running APB definitely gets that
momentum going. 

1053
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,080
I will say though, it's 
important to note that we said 

1054
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,680
yesterday if you're not top 8, 
the time doesn't count. 

1055
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,720
So I don't know. 
We had. 

1056
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,520
It on Margo was 6. 
But anyway, is that Margo? 

1057
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,320
No, I always say that Margo was.
Yeah, Emily was talking. 

1058
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,200
About stick all the irons on 
right guys, like you know, 

1059
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,240
that's a count. 
Emily Mackay was 7th into 422 

1060
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,640
PB. 
Bowman, Nielsen, 8th #2. 

1061
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,040
So no one else counts and it is.
Gracie Morris is 9th in APB to 

1062
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,760
423 but doesn't count OR in 
Ohio. 

1063
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,960
Is the cut off? 
It is tough, though, when you're

1064
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,200
like Emily Mackay, Gracie 
Morris, PBS, and it's one of 

1065
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,960
those things where it's like 
these are athletes that 

1066
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,760
obviously you want to be closer 
to the front. 

1067
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,240
Yeah. 
But again, it's when the fields 

1068
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:46,720
are really, really, really 
competitive world class fields. 

1069
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,440
And it's it's I would always 
coach would be like, look, when 

1070
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,720
you get APB, like you can't be 
too upset. 

1071
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,280
Yeah. 
But it is one of those things 

1072
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,320
where it's like you lost. 
I lie. 

1073
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,040
I yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't 
anywhere really close to the 

1074
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,480
win. 
I still ran fast, Yeah, the 

1075
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,040
step, but I got my step. 
But I did get my ass kicked. 

1076
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,880
So it's like a there are pros 
and cons to races like that. 

1077
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,080
That's how you think? 
Yeah, it's yeah, yeah. 

1078
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,960
But you do a hard workout after.
Yeah, yeah. 

1079
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,160
I just think about it. 
And you, yeah, you carry the 

1080
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,720
momentum, the. 
Times have changed, OK, Because 

1081
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,240
now everybody saw was doing 
thrush. 

1082
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:26,280
It was clicking off. 
It looked like thresholds out 

1083
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,320
here. 
What do you do? 

1084
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,040
You RIP. 
You have a good race, you run 

1085
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,960
really hard workout after. 
You have a bad race, You run an 

1086
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,200
even harder workout afterwards. 
No, you weren't threshold. 

1087
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:43,640
I was like, let's spike up. 
I mean, there used to be folks 

1088
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,240
who would stick around, you 
know, the Oregon Project days 

1089
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:47,840
and watch them. 
Like you like boring scaling to 

1090
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,880
know some four out here, Yeah. 
They're, they're like writing 

1091
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,240
down just sort of what these 
splits are. 

1092
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:53,440
You see people with stopwatches 
today, everyone's like, Nope, 

1093
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,600
they're just. 
Yeah, it's like threshold sucks.

1094
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,760
All right, Men's Wannemaker 
Mile, the historic marquee event

1095
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,800
of this meet. 
Interesting race, I think in 

1096
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,080
general, because you had some 
stars obviously opting for the 

1097
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,320
two mile and the likes of Josh 
and Cole, which then all your 

1098
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,120
attention's on yard, yard 
opening up. 

1099
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,080
So you have no idea what he's 
going to do. 

1100
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,800
He's at he ends up was he was 
running like in 3rd or 4th for 

1101
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,240
most of the race. 
Hobbs Kessler. 

1102
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,000
I thought he would, you know, 
stray from his plan of just 

1103
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,000
attaching stuff to yard. 
Nope, It's mostly what he did 

1104
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,720
throughout this race, and Cam 
was the one who I think was 

1105
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,240
toward the front for most of it,
sticking behind pacer Abe 

1106
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:43,400
Alvarado, who did a good job. 
And your job was? 

1107
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,280
In the lead. 
Hoskren, That's right. 

1108
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,040
Was the one pushing it a bit. 
And Koskren, yeah. 

1109
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,880
I mean, bold, bold running, 
Yeah. 

1110
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,720
Running by Koskren and strong 
running. 

1111
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:54,920
But then in the end, it's sort 
of like as we're watching this 

1112
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,520
unfold, I was just sort of 
thinking, I was like, well, we, 

1113
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:00,800
we know that Cam is crazy fit 
right now. 

1114
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,160
When's he gonna go? 
We know that Hobbes is crazy 

1115
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,360
fit. 
When are both those guys gonna 

1116
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,000
go? 
And they kind of just like 

1117
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,200
shifted gears at the same time 
together and Cam just had 

1118
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,360
another extra gear to sort of 
with 50 to go. 

1119
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,760
Cam Myers is just like kind of 
on a different level right now 

1120
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,200
in terms like he is really 
leveled up 347. 

1121
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,920
You saw him, he was he would he 
was running very well at in the 

1122
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,800
out outdoors last year and had 
fantastic performances. 

1123
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,480
But so far this indoor season, 
he's taking it up another knock 

1124
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,040
like this, this win today, he 
did it, I mean, pretty 

1125
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,320
comfortable. 
I mean, it, it took a big effort

1126
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,200
from him. 
But I mean, he's so smooth, 

1127
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,320
right? 
And he's pulling from the front.

1128
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,600
You got guys who can close like 
Hobbs, Kessler, who you see, you

1129
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:47,240
see how explosive his kick is. 
Yard is a guy who he's a he's an

1130
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,160
Olympic medalist amazing kick 
and he he really stretched it 

1131
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,080
out and ran away from them 
pretty There wasn't there was no

1132
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,760
there was no Jamaican lean line.
He didn't need he didn't need to

1133
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,160
do it. 
He looked he, I mean shout out 

1134
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,320
our big far boy Mitch. 
Big far. 

1135
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,960
Boy, Mitch actually texted me. 
Mitch is it, It's, it's yeah. 

1136
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,640
He's got to go to bed, Mitch. 
Said the kids. 

1137
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,160
The truth. 
He really is. 

1138
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,040
I mean, it's he, he, it's a huge
step up. 

1139
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,680
Wait, he's 19 years old. 
Hopefully he's doing, I mean, he

1140
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,040
right now he's the best in the 
world. 

1141
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,800
And I would love to see him keep
keep this momentum going. 

1142
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,840
Can I give a little shout out to
the fastest last 400 in the 

1143
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,440
field, Nico Young 5586 to close.
We didn't talk about him in the 

1144
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:38,480
in the pre show, but he like 
like Colin Solomon comes in. 

1145
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,840
I got distracted. 
Yeah, I'm like, I'm like. 

1146
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,840
I want to change the pic of the 
kids that I'm going to buy real 

1147
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,000
quick. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1148
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,560
Go ahead. 
Before he comes. 

1149
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:55,280
On everyone's like holy shit. 
Oh my God. 

1150
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,360
Yeah, but but I mean incredible 
day for Migo. 

1151
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,680
We were, we weren't hyping them 
up as as much as we should have 

1152
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,160
it in the pre race show. 
So incredible stuff. 

1153
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,360
All right, we've got a special 
guest here. 

1154
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,280
Hello everyone. 
The one and only. 

1155
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,720
Cooper, How we feeling after 
that one big win in the 600 day 

1156
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,320
A. 
Little tired, yeah, couldn't get

1157
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,120
to the cooldown for about 3 
hours, but. 

1158
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,600
What did you do for three hours?
Watch the meat. 

1159
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,840
I did watch the meet, that was 
the most important part, but. 

1160
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:29,000
Too many fans. 
A couple of fans, but I, I mean,

1161
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,760
I enjoy it so yeah, it's awesome
to get to, you know, give love 

1162
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,920
to people that support me so 
great race, great meet so. 

1163
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,680
What'd you learn from the race? 
That I think I can go, I can go 

1164
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,640
out harder than I think I can. 
I think this season the most 

1165
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:47,040
important thing was for me was 
to one, learn different types of

1166
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,160
racing, especially from high 
school. 

1167
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,960
So and then just knowing I can 
put myself in any race I go 

1168
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,720
into. 
So that was the main goal for 

1169
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,320
this one. 
You've now had two races as a 

1170
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,920
pro with different expectations.
How does that feel? 

1171
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,960
I mean, last year you, I would 
say this was, you've had great 

1172
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,240
races prior to that, but real 
Melrose is probably where you 

1173
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,240
announce yourself to the world. 
So now what's it like being here

1174
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,880
when the expectation is you 
should win? 

1175
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,240
Yeah, Every race I go into, I 
have the expectation that I'm 

1176
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,000
going to put myself in it and I 
can only control what I can 

1177
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,760
control. 
So if somebody runs 141 and I 

1178
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,360
run 142, but I gave everything I
had, you, you can't complain 

1179
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,080
with that. 
So I'm just going into this race

1180
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,480
knowing that I wanted to be in 
it and try to compete and 

1181
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,200
hopefully come away with a win. 
I think I remember last summer 

1182
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,440
when you sign and turn pro and 
we we kind of talked about sort 

1183
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,440
of what the next step would be. 
You emphasize we want to keep 

1184
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,680
things as normal as possible 
because that's what's worked so 

1185
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,520
well. 
How has that been just sort of 

1186
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,520
like trying to have there been 
any changes that you were like, 

1187
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,480
OK, we're going to try something
new in 2026 or has it been 

1188
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,760
pretty similar? 
Very similar I'd say. 

1189
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,320
I think you work, you do what's 
worked so well and last year 

1190
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,680
worked really well for me. 
So training's been slightly 

1191
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,320
different in the way of we're 
peaking for different Times Now 

1192
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,400
instead of how last year we're 
peaking for June, now we're 

1193
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:06,600
peaking for later in the season.
So just always being ready for 

1194
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,800
something different. 
And me and Coach Capo, we've 

1195
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,120
worked really well so far this 
year, had a great fall base 

1196
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,440
training so. 
USA Indoors. 

1197
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,680
We'll get there still a couple 
more or one to two more races 

1198
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,960
before that, so we'll just kind 
of see how everything is going. 

1199
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,840
Is there like a group chat 
between you and some of the 

1200
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,080
other teenagers who are running 
really well right now, Like. 

1201
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,920
So we there was a couple group 
chats that I'm in a lot with the

1202
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,760
our Nike elite team has a group 
chat which is like top like 10 

1203
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,400
distance guys in the country. 
So they it got blown up a little

1204
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,080
bit today because some of them 
were here racing. 

1205
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,440
But it's always great to hear 
from those guys because being 

1206
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,840
the same age as them, it's we're
all pretty similar in a way. 

1207
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,680
Yeah, when you see Sam Ruth run 
348, what do you think? 

1208
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,480
Like who's winning A1K? 
Don't comment on. 

1209
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,320
That, that'd be a great race. 
Though that guy is, he's 

1210
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,200
special. 
With him being 16, I feel old a 

1211
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:02,640
little. 
Bit. 

1212
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,720
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, I turned 17 a month ago. 

1213
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,920
The back, shit, the legs are 
starting to feel a little bit 

1214
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,240
but. 
You had a great career. 

1215
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,600
Yeah, I know you've lived a long
life. 

1216
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,320
Sam is a special, special 
talent. 

1217
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,600
He's a great person. 
I've talked to him in Tokyo, so 

1218
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,280
I only wish him the best 
throughout his career in these 

1219
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,120
all his races. 
Is there a pro that now that 

1220
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,760
you're on the circuit, like one 
of the older guys or gals who've

1221
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,760
taken you under the wing, or any
good advice that you've received

1222
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,880
from anyone? 
Yeah, I I've received a lot, but

1223
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,760
I think coaches are probably the
biggest thing. 

1224
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,320
I think one of the biggest ones,
Coach Van Hoy at Cal Poly, he's 

1225
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,440
been great to hear from just 
because my coach is so close 

1226
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,520
with them and my coach, a lot of
times he'll go to him just to 

1227
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,240
kind of hear what he has to say.
And Coach Van Hoy has the 

1228
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,600
resume. 
So great. 

1229
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,400
Great guy to talk to and just a 
great coach. 

1230
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,960
What's next for you? 
The sound running meet in North 

1231
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,960
Carolina so not sure exactly 
what I'm going to be running 

1232
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,400
there, but it should be faster 
than what I'm saying. 

1233
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,360
Do you have the temptation for a
mile yet or no? 

1234
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:13,440
Maybe outdoor seeing because I 
know I know Sam's going to be at

1235
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,080
sound running, I believe maybe 
not, but I think he might be 

1236
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:19,600
running the mile so we might 
stay away from. 

1237
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:24,720
That for right now. 
No, but maybe outdoor season we 

1238
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:25,800
might see one. 
All right. 

1239
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,840
Well, Cooper, thanks for 
stopping by. 

1240
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,080
Congrats again on the win and 
best of luck for the rest of the

1241
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,200
season. 
Thank you. 

1242
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,080
Thanks. 
Do you think he has to go to 

1243
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,480
school? 
Yeah. 

1244
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,040
Oh yeah, that's that's true. 
Like I've got the scariest. 

1245
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,720
I don't know if he does. 
If, if, if it's like, oh, world 

1246
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,320
indoors is like, if I can get 
out of class, it's like. 

1247
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,040
I've got a biology final. 
I got a hit. 

1248
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,880
But I mean, he's got such a 
great head on his shoulders, 

1249
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,760
like the maturity of a 17 year 
old. 

1250
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,040
It's just that I'm blown away 
every time I hear, especially 

1251
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,640
Cam Myers speak. 
I I don't want to pivoting back 

1252
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,440
against to the Wanamaker Mile. 
One of the reason why I said 

1253
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,880
earlier that I would buy Cam 
Myers, which is just because 

1254
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,120
after hearing him speak like the
maturity that he has. 

1255
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,840
Listen to him on the Sidious Mac
Podcast. 

1256
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,160
It's just like he, he's so 
thoughtful. 

1257
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,560
It's not like, and I think this 
is a big difference in something

1258
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,680
we've seen consistent 
consistently, whether it's, you 

1259
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,880
know, Cooper, Sam, Cam, Quincy 
Wilson is like these young guys 

1260
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,320
aren't running fast because 
they're freaks of nature, which 

1261
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,920
they are. 
They have a completely like 

1262
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,600
mature grasp of the sport that 
normally most of us wouldn't 

1263
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,360
have gotten until we're in like 
our mid 20s. 

1264
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,840
But we still don't have it. 
If you had that talent, you 

1265
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:40,920
wouldn't have managed it as 
well. 

1266
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,480
I mean, no, I would always been 
throwing up in my room, yeah. 

1267
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:53,480
You'd be dead, Kyle, they are 
very mature and they aren't you.

1268
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,560
But also I think like that type 
of maturity comes when it's 

1269
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,120
like, OK, now you are pro. 
You have there's certain 

1270
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,680
expectations that that you that 
you have to kind of rise to the 

1271
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,760
occasion for right. 
It's like they're very, they're 

1272
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,120
kind of the world as far as like
it's like, oh, the world's on 

1273
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,880
his shoulders now as far as 
like, oh, you, you make the 

1274
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,880
team. 
You, you run 142 whatever you 

1275
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,680
ran at outdoors last year. 
Now all of a sudden you're the 

1276
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:21,480
guy, you're the future and you 
but it it is very, they are very

1277
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,200
mature. 
They talk, they do have a very 

1278
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,720
strong grasp of the sport, they 
understand it and that's what it

1279
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,320
takes to to to beat these guys 
to be the best in the world. 

1280
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,880
And it's very impressive to see 
like where it's at right now, 

1281
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,080
the the sports and the strongs 
with with when they're at the 

1282
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,800
lead. 
I just to close this out, I want

1283
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,120
to get report card grades for 
the top five and the men's want 

1284
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:49,680
to make her mile. 
OK. 5th Andrew Coskring 349.54 

1285
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,720
Report card grade. 
I mean, I think he ran great I 

1286
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,240
but it's nothing that we haven't
seen out of him before. 

1287
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,440
Just testament to his previous 
stuff. 

1288
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,680
I give him ABB. 
Plus. 

1289
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,000
I mean, I don't want to just 
give. 

1290
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,160
Everyone. 
Yeah, I know. 

1291
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,000
It was great, but I know that 
I'm. 

1292
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,920
Actually going to give him, give
him an A minus. 

1293
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,760
Like we don't really see him 
being behind the pacer. 

1294
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,440
Like I, I thought that was a, 
this is a, this is a new style 

1295
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,560
of racing for him. 
He's usually sitting back and 

1296
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,440
relies on a big close. 
So I think it's, it's a, it's a 

1297
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,240
brave move to say like, hey, I'm
going to go out and sit behind 

1298
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,200
the pacer in front of a couple 
of, you know, world and Olympic 

1299
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,520
medalists or, you know, people 
that, that are hot ticket items.

1300
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,000
And I'm going to I'm going to 
dictate the race and I'm going 

1301
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,480
to choose how, how I want to 
race today. 

1302
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:34,920
So I'm going to give him an, A 
minus. 

1303
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,160
I mean, I'd love to see him top 
three, but love to see you go 

1304
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,000
out on the limb. 
I think we should all only have 

1305
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,320
a couple as I'm throwing that 
out. 

1306
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:42,600
OK, you know you got to give a 
few. 

1307
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,240
PS Out I think I think I think 
Costco is a guy that has taken a

1308
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,320
big jump. 
He ran what did he and New 

1309
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,240
Balance. 
He ran 7:30 in the 3K behind 

1310
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,280
Myers. 
I think that's a that's a great 

1311
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,920
performance out of him. 
It's it's what it takes like the

1312
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,640
strength it takes to be 
competitive in the mile or the 

1313
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:06,720
15 is you have to be at a 7:30 
or under guy if you want to have

1314
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,480
any shot in in these in these 
competitive fifteens and miles. 

1315
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,880
I think I think a minus, I think
AB plus is a is a good a good 

1316
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,040
race, a good report card for 
him. 

1317
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,240
I think I think cost you could 
hear B plus and be like, yeah, 

1318
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,320
again, it's like this is the guy
that wants to win. 

1319
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,720
Like you're not as good and as 
fit and the type of competitor 

1320
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,920
that cost is going to walk away,
get on the plane back to Ireland

1321
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,920
or wherever he's going. 
Probably flags have honestly, 

1322
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,400
who knows. 
And be like, yeah, that was a 

1323
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,200
fantastic like you want to be 
vying for the win. 

1324
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,160
You're good enough to when you 
have a great day, be up there. 

1325
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,080
So I think he's he's hungry 
after a 5th place performance. 

1326
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:49,520
4th place Nico Young 348.72 PB. 
First time under 4. 

1327
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,760
Officially on a round on a 
regulation sized track. 

1328
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,240
I think it's a it's a great. 
I think it's a hard close, yeah,

1329
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,480
yeah, hard close. 
And I mean, think about you 

1330
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,160
wouldn't you don't really 
consider Nico. 

1331
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,440
He's unbelievably talented, 
right? 

1332
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,960
And he's one of the the the 
best, you know, American 

1333
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,680
distance guys, but you just 
don't think of him as a guy 

1334
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,840
who's going to be vying for wins
that want to make her necessary 

1335
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,720
when it's fields like this, 
right? 

1336
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,480
I think that's it's a great day 
for him. 

1337
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,400
It's it's fastest. 
Final 400 to the whole bunch. 

1338
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:29,600
Fastest final 50. 586 Everyone 
else 56705686. 56 all the way in

1339
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,080
the back. 
Yeah, he was sitting way in the 

1340
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:32,720
back. 
But that's not that's not the 

1341
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,480
wrong move for someone who's a 
who's a 5K runner, right? 

1342
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:41,360
Like he he ran, I would say of 
the day, probably one of the top

1343
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,360
2 smartest races. 
Obviously Cam Cam Myers to win. 

1344
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,920
We're going to give him that. 
But I would I would honestly 

1345
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,080
give Nico an A plus. 
I mean, he played to his 

1346
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,480
strengths. 
He knew his race plan. 

1347
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,120
He didn't get carried away 
following a pace that was maybe 

1348
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,200
a little bit too hot for him. 
I think he nailed it. 

1349
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,760
I think it ran perfectly. 
I think I I agree I'm going to 

1350
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,640
give him an AI think no one 
really talked about the 

1351
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,880
possibility of him even winning.
So the fact that he was, you 

1352
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,880
know, his nose was in it at the 
end, and he closed hard and ran 

1353
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,480
348. 
This is a guy who I, I think we 

1354
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,920
probably all thought was going 
to run a little bit better at 

1355
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:13,960
Cross. 
Yeah. 

1356
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,880
And whether it's US Cross or 
World Cross, but I think he 

1357
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,439
might just be a guy who can 
really RIP it on the track right

1358
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,880
now. 
And that seems to be where, you 

1359
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,240
know, he's throwing the eggs in 
that basket and it's working. 

1360
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:27,359
So I'm with you. 
I think he crushed it, Hobbs. 

1361
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:33,319
Kessler at 3rd place, 348.68. 
I'm gonna give Hobbs AB I'm 

1362
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:35,760
going to give Hobbs like ABB 
minus. 

1363
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,439
And I think he stayed the same. 
I think he I think he would say 

1364
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,080
he's not not pleased with with 
the day with the result. 

1365
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:46,640
But you saw him make kind of an 
aggressive move. 

1366
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,840
He you could see that he was 
sensing Kim Myers moving and and

1367
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,080
maybe lit a little bit too 
strong of a match on the 

1368
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,680
backstretch here in, in, you 
know, kind of moving out. 

1369
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,840
He he tried to play it smart of 
only passing on the turns. 

1370
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,520
But again, he was he didn't have
his positioning perfectly as he 

1371
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,399
usually does. 
And and I don't think it was the

1372
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:12,080
perfect day for Hobbes. 
I thought, I think I actually 

1373
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,520
thought he like tactically 
Hobbes is very good. 

1374
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,520
Like he he, he gets out, he sits
on exactly the person he wants. 

1375
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,200
He goes, I'm going to yards. 
The guy, I'm going to be on his 

1376
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,080
shoulder. 
I'm going to be on the outside 

1377
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,920
of lane one. 
I think he's getting better 

1378
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,359
tactically. 
I think he just the kick that 

1379
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:31,520
you would want him to have today
he had last week in Boston. 

1380
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,920
Yeah, he's didn't it it looked 
he he he he went for it right. 

1381
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,680
He like you saw him whether I 
whether it was what was it 150 

1382
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:40,680
to go. 
He's moving. 

1383
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,840
He's trying and Cam Myers just 
was too strong for him. 

1384
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,560
I think that was really all the 
the difference it was I'm like I

1385
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,000
think it's a great it's great 
fuel to the fire for for Hobbs 

1386
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,440
Kessler right. 
But but when you be when you are

1387
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:56,920
one of the main favorites, 
right, it's like we were talking

1388
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,040
about it, right? 
It's when you have a Hoey 

1389
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,400
scratches, you're not really 
sure about yard. 

1390
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:05,240
We're like, I think Hobbes, it's
Hobbes and Cam Myers and when 

1391
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,480
your Hobbes are doing the exact 
exact same thing and when you 

1392
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:09,640
come up and you don't win, 
you're going to be upset. 

1393
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:10,880
You're me. 
But it's great. 

1394
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,720
It's talked about it before. 
It's part of the process and it 

1395
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,680
hopefully you use it, you're 
learning, you're you're going to

1396
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,360
race these guys more. 
And I think it's it's so I I 

1397
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,560
think Hobbs is probably I'll 
give them around the same. 

1398
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,960
I'll give them AB minus. 
B -, I I agree, I think you guys

1399
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,440
nailed it and you want to be a 
little pissed and I want my 

1400
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:31,160
favorite athletes to be pissed 
if they lose. 

1401
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,840
Well, also, what was it? 
Who was it that said Hobbs did a

1402
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,200
lot of strides yesterday? 
You know you're watching pretty 

1403
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,680
closely. 
We were watching He goes, he did

1404
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:45,480
10 by 200. 
And like, like we didn't even 

1405
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:48,040
mention we were talking about if
if you buy stock in a young 

1406
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,360
athlete, Hobbs is still like in 
one. 

1407
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,120
Of these in the conversation. 
Credit like, I mean, actually 

1408
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,920
no, according to Cooper Luke and
I was Hobbs is like. 

1409
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,640
Grandma start. 
And is lucky to even make it to 

1410
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,840
be alive right now. 
All right, Yeah. 

1411
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,800
I thought it was a for the 
marquee race. 

1412
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:12,320
Fantastic and super fun. 
Then we go to Yard 348.31 second

1413
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:19,480
place, doesn't pull off the four
P4P, but closer than I thought 

1414
01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:22,840
he was going to be just given. 
Yes, Yard's baseline fitness is 

1415
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:27,160
a little bit higher than 
everyone else, but I just a good

1416
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,000
showing considering the fact 
that I had question marks coming

1417
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,000
into it. 
Yeah, I'd give them like that B 

1418
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,720
+ A minus. 
Yeah, when you've won a few 

1419
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,040
times, then like that becomes 
the expectation. 

1420
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:43,680
But you know, I think that he 
ran well and but when we've seen

1421
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,200
what he's capable of, we can't 
be handing out a pluses. 

1422
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,920
Yeah, agree. 
I mean, it's challenging when 

1423
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,720
when Cam Myers has been racing 
several times in a row. 

1424
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,640
Same with same with Hobbs. 
Like they've got they've got 

1425
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,400
this locked in. 
I'd I'd agree with you. 

1426
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,040
I mean, I think he I think he 
had a really good day, but to 

1427
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,000
not come away with a win. 
We can't hand him an A+, but to 

1428
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,240
come out and to be contending 
with the, you know, the two big 

1429
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,960
dogs that are world records has 
to be at least an. 

1430
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,160
AI took my L's in so many of my 
predictions, but this is the one

1431
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,800
I think that I got right. 
I had Cam Myers winning this 

1432
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,960
race and so I'm giving him an 
A+. 

1433
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,920
Just great execution in general.
I think there was so much 

1434
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,880
jocking around kind of behind 
him in that, you know, 3-4 spot 

1435
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,280
throughout the race. 
He was just like oblivious to 

1436
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,520
all of it happening because it's
right behind him the whole time.

1437
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,640
It's just Pacer, Clostrid and 
him. 

1438
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,480
And that's a good enough just 
focal point for him. 

1439
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:43,960
And he came away 347 for the 
victory. 

1440
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,600
A plus for me for for Cam Myers.
C minus. 

1441
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,960
I wanted a world record. 
No, he ran great. 

1442
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,080
I mean, and now he has to make 
this flight every single year, I

1443
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,640
guess. 
Like he has to keep coming back 

1444
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,600
to New York every single time. 
The appearance fee is going to 

1445
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,080
be too good. 
So a plus. 

1446
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,320
A+ See how. 
He can not. 

1447
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,400
Yeah, AI mean A+ is a bit 
straight. 

1448
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,000
Give him a solid A. 
Did he PB? 

1449
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:09,960
Did he PB I? 
Don't know. 

1450
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,320
I don't think so. 
No. 

1451
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:12,840
Worldly. 
He was even the best version. 

1452
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,040
Of worldly but not. 
All right, It's fair. 

1453
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:17,400
Yeah. 
Solid a Solid. 

1454
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,440
A and the interesting thing 
about Ken Myers doesn't sound 

1455
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:25,160
like he's going to do world 
indoors because the Mori plant 

1456
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,640
meat, it's like the same weekend
and for an Australian that 

1457
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,920
matters a lot more so. 
I used to speak on. 

1458
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,480
That I can't, I mean, I can't. 
Like you got to move the meat. 

1459
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:38,280
Like we have to incentivize the 
right things. 

1460
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,760
That is a world championship. 
Love Mori Plant. 

1461
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,360
Love the love the meat. 
Love the people, you know, love 

1462
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,000
Australia. 
I like so much. 

1463
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,480
Everybody in Australia knows I 
I'm, I'm your girl. 

1464
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:52,480
But everyone knows I'm a 
Commonwealth champion for in 

1465
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,680
Australia like those are those 
are my guys down there. 

1466
01:13:54,680 --> 01:14:00,680
But we have to prioritize the 
right things like and if this if

1467
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:06,600
contracts, endorsements, 
eyeballs are all channeling to a

1468
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,120
world championship, that is what
we need to focus on. 

1469
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,680
Medals are life changing, but 
people don't talk about, I mean,

1470
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,080
people talk about the there are 
a few meats in the world that 

1471
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,920
people say like, oh, so so and 
so's Ericsson want to make her 

1472
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,080
mile champion. 
Like there there is legacy in 

1473
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,880
that, but I haven't heard like, 
oh, you're the he's the Maury 

1474
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,080
plant meat champion before. 
That's not something that 

1475
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,160
Australia yeah, that rolls off 
that rolls off the tongue. 

1476
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:34,160
But, but I, I, I just think that
everyone concentrating on a 

1477
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,880
schedule that is announced and, 
and discreet of like here's what

1478
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,800
we here's what we rely on, here 
is, is what we focus on. 

1479
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:46,040
That's what I wanna see is that 
everybody's got their eyes on 

1480
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:47,680
the same calendar. 
I think there's a few days 

1481
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,960
between the both of them, right?
It's not the same weekend. 

1482
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:52,680
Yeah. 
I think. 

1483
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:54,920
The travel would just be. 
Held. 

1484
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,360
But to your point, and I guess 
adding on top of that is the 

1485
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,280
thing that we now need out of 
Cam is championship experience. 

1486
01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:03,960
That's like what's missing on 
his resume. 

1487
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,320
We know that he is an 
unbelievable runner and I think 

1488
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,520
indoor championships is one of 
the best places. 

1489
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,360
And it's just so difficult to 
replicate that environment. 

1490
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,920
And I think as we are gearing up
towards future championships, 

1491
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,600
you shouldn't pass up that 
opportunity. 

1492
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,440
I would do World indoors and 
then if you had a few days get a

1493
01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:23,280
first class ticket and then run 
like an 800 or you're. 

1494
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,120
Young. 
Just just hop over there, 

1495
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,160
doesn't it's not going to hurt. 
You well, let alone like the 

1496
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,840
fact that you look at the the 
indoor like who knows the status

1497
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,200
of Jacob Binga Britson, right? 
He's out for the indoor season. 

1498
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,760
So he's out for the indoor 
season, OK, like now? 

1499
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:36,880
He's writing a book. 
He's. 

1500
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:41,760
He's right now writing. 
He's at his desk writing smut by

1501
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,400
hand. 
This is out of his ass with 

1502
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:52,840
diarrhea, but you're so yacht. 
It's a great time for for Kim 

1503
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:57,800
Myers to to get to get him out 
to to get a medal with with when

1504
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:03,040
one of the favorites is out. 
But it's like, like Kyle said, 

1505
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,320
you are going to race these guys
a lot. 

1506
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,640
You want to be beating these 
guys in the in the in the 

1507
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,160
championships. 
And there's no better practice 

1508
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,400
to get your tactics right at a 
world at a world indoor 

1509
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,680
championships indoors. 
Your tactics have to be 

1510
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,440
unbelievably sound to do well, 
OK? 

1511
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:21,960
You feel me? 
You with me? 

1512
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,240
You with me, girl. 
Yeah. 

1513
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:28,120
You got if you can. 
If you can figure out how to not

1514
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:32,360
get diarrhea. 
Which is good travelling, that's

1515
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:33,600
part of it. 
It's part of it. 

1516
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,280
It's, it's going around right 
now. 

1517
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,520
Everyone's just sitting on the 
toilet. 

1518
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:45,280
But yeah, I, I, I think Cam, I 
like the experience from, from 

1519
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,080
any world championship meet is, 
is invaluable. 

1520
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,400
Cam's watching this. 
He's like he has a point until 

1521
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,160
he got to the diarrhea part. 
He lost me on that. 

1522
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:56,840
He's. 
Like he's like, that's not true.

1523
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,840
That's not true. 
Jacob's like, what the fuck, 

1524
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:03,360
dude? 
Jacob's like, I'm healthy as a 

1525
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:08,800
horse minus my Achilles. 
All right, Chris Wrap. 

1526
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:10,640
Us up. 
Yeah, follow that up. 

1527
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:15,880
That was the 2026 Melrose Games 
here at the Armory Track and 

1528
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:20,400
Field Centre in Manhattan. 
Next up I believe will be 

1529
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,680
there's, you know, some fast 
races that are going to be going

1530
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:24,480
down in North Carolina at the 
JDL meet. 

1531
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,240
I think people kind of getting 
that last fitness test before 

1532
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,920
the US championships. 
People will be flocking to BU 

1533
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,280
for the Valentine meet if they 
can get over their diarrhea. 

1534
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,440
All of a sudden my stomach just 
dropped. 

1535
01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:43,960
I was like wrap it up. 
Yeah, anyway, well, thanks for 

1536
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,360
watching. 
Thanks for listening. 

1537
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:50,280
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1538
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,720
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1539
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1540
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,280
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1541
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And we have tons of interviews 

1542
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,520
from the Mix Zone on the Citius 
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1543
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:10,520
this meet probably more on all 
of our channels doing flap count

1544
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,920
comes out on Wednesday. 
Kyle's riding for it again. 

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And that's that's a wrap from 
here in New York City. 

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Thanks for watching. 
Thanks for listening. 

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We'll see you guys next time.