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I'm Kyle Merber. 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,400 I'm pre majethia. Look at that. 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,280 We got three people on the horn for this one because it was a 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,120 big weekend. We had tons of action taking 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,920 place in Europe, headlined of course by the highly anticipated 28 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,960 800 meter debut of Femca Bowl. We had that was in Mets, France, 29 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:47,160 and then after that there was also a couple other meets taking 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,320 place. We had Georgia Hunter Bell 31 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,560 running a world lead in the 1500 at least. 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Cranny also racing out in Europe, just a mixed bag of 33 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,720 results all throughout those two meets. 34 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,400 And then it is in addition to that, a random 1K being run by 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,960 Cole Hawker. We'll talk about what that 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,120 means. Of course, we're going to have 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,560 our recurring Yaka being a Britain health update. 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,040 I feel like we've been doing this for about a year and every 39 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,120 other week there's like something new to to talk about 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,080 with him. He likes to stay in the news. 41 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,560 Then in addition to that, we're going to hit some other news and 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,320 topics, but one of them is there's something up with the 43 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,840 world rankings and not enough people are talking about it and 44 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,600 we have some thoughts and we'll explain it all to you when we 45 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,560 get there. But first, let's start with the 46 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,560 biggest story of the weekend and that was Femka Bowl winning her 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:51,360 800 meter debut in 159 point O 7 at the meeting Metz Moselle out 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:57,520 in France overall, I mean, I feel like this was OK James 49 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,720 Rhodes went a little overboard on on Twitter saying like this 50 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,920 is the I've never seen this much anticipation for one race and 51 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:09,040 it's I think it was just his corner of the Internet and the 52 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,320 people that he was falling on Twitter. 53 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,360 Yes, there was a lot of discourse around what Wilfenko 54 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,560 run and it's fun to have that sort of discussion around a race 55 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,280 because it builds anticipation And so I love, but it wasn't 56 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,280 necessarily the big, the biggest race of the past month or so. 57 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,000 The middle roads Two mile had more hype and attention on it. 58 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,440 The middle of bias. You remember, you're in the US 59 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,600 corner of the Internet. We're in the other corner of the 60 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,760 Internet that isn't the US corner. 61 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,640 So look, I, I think the, the FEMCA one had global interest. 62 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,120 I'm not sure of whatever. What did the bill rose two mile? 63 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,760 The bill rose two mile had Kai Robinson from Australia and 64 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,920 Edwin Kerrgard from Kenya. It had international interest 65 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,400 as. Well, two mile, that's what I'm 66 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,360 going to say to that. It was a two mile. 67 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,600 Like I, I know Americans get excited about two miles. 68 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,000 I, I, I look, it was, it was billed to be a great race. 69 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,000 There's no, no doubt about that. But I think, I think the 70 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,600 curiosity about what Femka was going to do was, was pretty 71 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,520 high. So I'm, I'm still going to go 72 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,760 with that being slightly more hyped. 73 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:23,200 But but well, look, but it, it's not about that, though. 74 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,960 It was more the intrigue around the whole thing, right? 75 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,720 We spent whatever, 1015 minutes breaking it down last week. 76 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,080 Pretty much every podcast running podcast I've heard was 77 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:40,040 talking about it at length and yeah, it it people people are 78 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,560 fascinated to know. How many running podcasts do you 79 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,480 listen to free in addition to being on your own? 80 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,680 I do listen to a fair few, I must admit. 81 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,440 I'm not going to give them all away, but I don't. 82 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,440 I don't want to get free advertising, but. 83 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,400 Good, good job. Free. 84 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,120 I, I kind of agree. Like, I'm not going to say it's 85 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,400 the biggest ever or anything, but there was a lot of 86 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,840 anticipation because I feel like it checks the box that of 87 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:07,560 everything that we always do in terms of speculation to be like, 88 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,400 well, what would happen if so? And so did this instead and we 89 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,040 actually got an answer. Yeah, I I I go back to and this 90 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,000 is before it was as easy to access like some of these 91 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,200 streams. We didn't have this for the 92 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,680 longest time, right. The hope and this is for the 93 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,720 real, you know, the track die hard. 94 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,440 So it was like, what would Jeremy Warner run for in 800? 95 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,840 And by the time we actually finally got a chance to find 96 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:35,600 out, he was over the hill and it wasn't that good. 97 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,520 Also, I don't really remember there even being a stream for 98 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,080 it, but in a way, like the things that this date 99 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,960 accomplished was I I love the fact that they put this big 100 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,200 mission out there. There was anticipation for it 101 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,520 and people were able to tune in live and like this was the 102 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,520 storyline leading up to it now. It just wasn't to me like the 103 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,040 biggest thing in the world. It was just James''s corner of 104 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,760 the Internet hyped it up a little bit much. 105 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,440 And I, I mean, I put out a poll the day before that received 106 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,120 over 500 votes of just, you know, what was she going to run? 107 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,000 And I put the different ranges and it was pretty split all 108 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,680 throughout. I think it was like the top two 109 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,360 were between 1:58 and 1:59 and 1:59 and 1:50 and, and two flat. 110 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,440 Both of those I think ended up with like 28% of the vote. 111 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:25,000 And then your two extremes of over 2 minutes and under 158. 112 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,480 And it were also really close at like, you know, 23 and 24%. 113 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,400 So it was a very, very split vote. 114 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,480 And in the end, what we got, 159 was very controlled. 115 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,840 Honestly, I would, I would say she went out in 27, then 57 116 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:44,000 through the 400. And most people going out that 117 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,600 hard wouldn't really necessarily hang on. 118 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,240 So that was impressive. I was watching the stream and I, 119 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,080 I did let out a little bit of a laugh in the first like 400 120 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,120 meters because we're not used to femka running so slow. 121 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,400 And it just didn't look so natural. 122 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,760 So she looked control in the execution of the race. 123 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,760 It just didn't look as natural. But that will come with more 124 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,920 reps And so All in all, if you were to grade this, it's A, it's 125 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,000 AB plus, right? Because an A would have been 126 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,000 under 159. But I think what it did, it 127 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,280 signaled real like a ton of potential going forward. 128 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,600 This is a great baseline for for anybody. 129 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,280 Maybe I'm just a harsh grader, Kyle. 130 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Yeah, what are we talking about? This was fantastic. 131 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,240 This was excellent, 159. Oh, I mean, if she would have 132 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,920 just leaned, if she would have done the OK, yeah, I would have 133 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,400 given her a shoulder out lean. It would have been 1:58. 134 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:40,000 So I this was amazing. I believe, and correct me if I'm 135 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,160 wrong, it's the fastest 800 meter debut in history out of 136 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,680 anyone exactly like what? What more can you possibly at 137 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,360 the best debut ever? Granted, most people debut when 138 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,440 they're 12 and you know, their middle school track. 139 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,120 You don't normally do it after you have a number of global 140 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,920 metals, but 159? Oh, and going out too hard, you 141 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,320 know, probably held on great. You're an amazing. 142 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,440 I thought I've always been. Team Femko will be a very 143 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,400 competitive 800m runner. I've no doubt in my mind that 144 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,320 this is only the beginning. She looked very comfortable. 145 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,840 Also overlooked the fact that the entire field was one 58159 146 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,480 women. And she did have one person who 147 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,240 was a 158 person who's scratched, right? 148 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,880 I think no, no. The four finishers behind her 149 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,800 have all broken 2 flat and they've all run 158 or 1:59. 150 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,520 So like, she beat a good field, like easily from the front. 151 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,799 It was an amazing performance, national record. 152 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:42,520 I think any expectation beyond this would have, you know, 153 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,520 you're just being unfair at some point. 154 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,080 She's always unbelievable. She's going to run 155 for sure. 155 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,040 Yeah, she's run the fifth fastest time in the world this 156 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,920 year and we've had quite a lot of good 800 meter runners 157 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,600 running and we know that they've been running fast time. 158 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,560 So that was still pretty, pretty impressive, I think. 159 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,480 Chris put it in this. Perspective for a second. 160 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,000 If Rye Benjamin went out and ran an 800 for the first time ever 161 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:14,120 and he ran 144.5, you would be losing your mind. 144.5. 162 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,120 That 159 O and 1:44 five were last year's standards. 163 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,320 So I'm saying if Rye went out and ran 144.5, you would be 164 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,920 blown away and you'd be saying he's going to be the first man 165 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:30,280 to ever break 140. I don't know if I'd go that far, 166 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,680 but no, I probably would. Yeah. 167 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:36,120 That's that. That's a fair assessment. 168 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,400 All right, so I will change my grade. 169 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,920 I will give her an A. Not an A+. 170 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,920 An A An A+ would have been the world lead. 171 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,840 Now I think a fun thing to think about is just like considering 172 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,800 some other athletes and like historically. 173 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,960 So the first person that came to mind for me was Shamir, because 174 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:59,080 Shamir has Shamir Little has run 52 low and she will often run 175 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,440 six hundreds or 8 hundreds at some point in early part of the 176 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,800 indoor or outdoor seasons. She's run 2O four, which I've 177 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,840 always said was like wow, Shamir 2O four. 178 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,960 That's so I'm putting her in comparison to that. 179 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,800 And then the two other athletes that I found that have 180 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:25,400 impressive 400 hurdle times as well as 800 Michaela Rose. 1. 181 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:31,400 58158 and then the accolade is the world U20 bronze medalist 182 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,080 like five years ago at 400 hurdles. 183 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:42,200 So she only ran, she ran 56 like it on Femka's level but sub two 184 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,920 with 400 hurdle accolades and then the other one. 185 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,640 Can I make a suggestion real? Quick. 186 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,120 All right, go on. The tactics aren't working in 187 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,880 the 800. Maybe it's time to go back to 188 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,240 the border hurdle and the 400 hurdles pretty wide open right 189 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:54,920 now. Yeah. 190 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:00,080 I mean, we can get to that. And then the other one, Natalie 191 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:00,640 Dumas. Yes. 192 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Yeah, yeah. With 55 to. 1. 193 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:05,520 Right. Same. 194 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:12,440 Same hurdle height, right? So those are MY24 or MY3400 195 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,920 hurdle, hurdle athletes, slash 800 runners and obviously 196 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,800 Femko's on a different level in both events. 197 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,480 What about Anna Hall? 5442 and 20123. 198 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,000 Not sub two though. Yeah, I guess that's another. 199 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,960 That's the one where sort of like you drop 7 events and you 200 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,440 can think there could be some potential. 201 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:32,960 Yeah, so Anna Hall's another good one. 202 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:38,240 My, I'm, I'm thinking here, let's play a game. 203 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,000 I like doing this where it's like, if you were ex. 204 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,400 What are you thinking? Pre If you were Keely Hodgkinson 205 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,640 watching his performance last weekend, what are you thinking? 206 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,640 You are unconcerned entirely looking forward to the 207 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,200 competition. Yeah. 208 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,320 I mean, look, I think Keely. Keely is still on a level above, 209 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,560 right? She's someone who can run 154, I 210 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:02,120 suspect whenever she feels like it. 211 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,520 And that's that's a whole another level of 800 running, 212 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,240 right. OK, if you get outdoors and 213 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,160 Femka starts running 150 fives on the regular, you start to get 214 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,040 worried. But that's that's some way off 215 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,000 still. But it it it does, you know, it 216 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,280 does set up the intrigue. You know, come European 217 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,960 Championships, who knows, maybe, maybe we will get something 218 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,640 competitive that so. And that's going to be a home 219 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,000 meet for Keely. So she will want to put on a 220 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,000 show. And yeah, she won't want Femka 221 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,360 to spoil that party. You never really want someone to 222 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,160 join your event who is significantly faster over 400 223 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,640 meters. No, because now you've. 224 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,200 Got to, it's like a few seconds faster. 225 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,960 Yeah, and you, you got to totally rethink how you're going 226 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,880 to approach. OK, Kyle, you're Lillian Odira. 227 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,560 What do you think? I I don't care at all about 228 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:58,040 indoor. Well, I think that the 229 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,600 interesting part and the question around FEMK is not, OK, 230 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,160 can't you run 158? It's sort of like which is a 231 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,960 lesson we're going to probably learn over time is can she run 232 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:15,160 155 after two rounds, right. Like that's a whole nother level 233 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,600 to the development of the 800. And it's not necessarily an 234 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,680 answer I think we're going to get in 2026. 235 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:25,800 That's a probably a late 2027 or or mid season 2028 sort of 236 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,960 exploration. Yeah, but also like she's been 237 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,520 doing this for a few months, like four months. 238 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,920 Think of think of how like the season ends, you take a good few 239 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:41,320 weeks off, OK. Yeah, and it's sort of like, oh, 240 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,160 you took the final exam after like only studying for the first 241 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,600 part of the lesson years. It's like, all right, I'm just 242 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,600 going to skip over and just test, take a take a stab at the 243 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,520 final and then you already aced it. 244 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:59,040 I think the, the one thing I would say people could throw out 245 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,960 as a concern is how she's going to do tactically. 246 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,960 But we've seen Femka navigate fields and relays forever and 247 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,640 she does it very well and she's very good at timing her kick. 248 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,600 And I think it bodes well for the I think she's going to be, I 249 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,280 think she's just going to be a medalist within the next few 250 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,400 years for sure. So what is there anything that 251 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,240 stood out to you in watching her run that you were like, OK, 252 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,280 that's the area where she might need to improve because the 253 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,040 first, the first 400, right, That wasn't necessarily her 254 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,160 fault. That's where the lights were 255 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,080 set. That's where the pacer and she 256 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,720 just kind of like, you know, followed suit. 257 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,760 But then it's sort of the question marks. 258 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,960 And even in Tim Hutchings on the call was sort of like, after 259 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,520 600, this is uncharted territory. 260 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,160 So what did you see in the final 200 that you were just like, oh, 261 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,000 OK, that's maybe where she could Polish things up, Kyle. 262 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,280 She's real. She's strong I don't know pre 263 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,080 like I thought she held on well like after 4 to 6 had me nervous 264 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,920 and then 6 to 8 looked good. Yeah, I mean, I think she didn't 265 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,320 accelerate particularly in the last 200. 266 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,240 I think if you look at the splits, they're pretty even. 267 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,760 I think she was 30 point 830.9 through those each of those last 268 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,600 two hundreds maybe the other way around. 269 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,880 But it it was pretty even and obviously if you are kicking 270 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,840 running against the best, you need to have a slight amount of 271 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,480 acceleration at the last 200. So that's the bit. 272 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,880 But maybe it's also a case of who's slowing down the least, 273 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,160 right? And she wasn't slowing down. 274 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,880 So, you know, it depends what kind of race it is at the end of 275 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,440 the day. But that's the bit maybe that 276 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,360 she will obviously. And that's natural, right? 277 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,040 She's coming from a 400 background and not from a 1500 278 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,280 background. So that's probably the bit that 279 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,720 was going to be harder for her to hang on towards the end. 280 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,360 But I also think that if she goes out in 58585, she's 281 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,480 probably someone who can run better off a slightly slower 282 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,120 pace in the 1st 400 because it takes less out of her. 283 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,520 And then her natural speed is a real asset in that second-half 284 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,960 of the race, which, yeah, so I don't know. 285 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,360 I'll be interested to see her try out different race models 286 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,440 and see whether that works better for her. 287 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,680 I, I, the other part that I was watching who was also just sort 288 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,680 of 2nd place and I was like, second place is closing well in 289 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,800 this one. And it just sort of like when 290 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,840 you're up in the front, like I don't know what the stadium 291 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,440 setup was like, but did she have the awareness that someone was, 292 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,960 was coming up on her? But and in in the very end, like 293 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,880 she added a little bit in the final 50 meters to secure the 294 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,720 win. But I was just again, that's 295 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,160 sort of racing against other people when it's not just you 296 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,640 and the lights and the pacer. Like, how's she going to do? 297 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,360 Is there a difference, Kyle? Just sort of when it comes to, 298 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:46,560 OK, this one was paced to go out in 57 and come back in 60. 299 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:51,200 Ideally, if you would run 157. But the way Keely runs the 300 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,160 championships right when it goes out in 5455 and then in the 301 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,200 second-half, you just hold on for 60. 302 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,720 Like, what's different about that kind of race that Femka's 303 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,920 going to have to try and learn? I mean, she's going to obviously 304 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,880 just have to experience the pain and different varieties. 305 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,480 What is there's the negative split pain in an 800? 306 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,359 It's a little different, but it's her first one ever. 307 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,720 I mean, she's could run this thing next weekend and she'll 308 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,160 run definitely a half second quicker just by having one under 309 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,440 her belt. So yeah, I just who's better 310 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:28,160 equipped to handle a 5455? This I just like the indoor 311 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,400 world record holder in the 400 like she can handle it. 312 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,840 And I thought she looks good. I think her stride looks pretty 313 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,960 natural at 800. I'm I'm all I'm all for this. 314 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,080 I think it's great. The 400 hurdles as an event 315 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:49,120 hurting, I would say in terms of intrigue, but you know that it's 316 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:54,200 gonna be, I guess wide open in many ways without Sydney and 317 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,400 Femco. Do we have the same investment 318 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,840 when we're seeing times that are not nearly as competitive as 319 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:01,840 we've seen in the last few years? 320 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,680 We'll we'll find out. Yeah. 321 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,240 OK. So this brings us to because I 322 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,880 do want to stay on this topic, the Femkin topic because it was 323 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,480 just great fodder all throughout the weekend. 324 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,640 One thing that came up in our group chat, and this was I 325 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,280 think, you know, stem from Anderson kind of setting the 326 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,720 standard of like, what is going to make this venture into the 327 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,200 800 worth it for Femka, right? And I think when we were all 328 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,360 going back and forth, he was like, this is it's obviously a 329 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:32,920 big risk, right? In the same way that Sydney's 330 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,360 switching events like there was a it's a not like not a 331 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:40,560 guarantee when you could just have a gold medal on a, you 332 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,720 know, on the platter for at the next two championships, right? 333 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,600 If Themka stayed in the 400 hurdles, she's the heavy, heavy 334 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:53,280 favorite to win gold in 2027 and 2028 if Sydney chooses not to be 335 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,840 in that event. So you gave that up and now 336 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,760 there's no guarantee that you're even a metal threat yet in the 337 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,200 800. This was a good performance, but 338 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,560 what's going to make it worth it? 339 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,960 And I think what I come back to when Anderson posed that 340 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,640 question was just sort of like she already accomplished maybe 341 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,000 she already maybe hit the ceiling of what she could have 342 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,000 done in the 400 hurdles, right? Sydney put the world record out 343 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,520 there to a place that Femka would really like, isn't close 344 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:25,240 yet and has struggled to get inch closer in Sydney's absence. 345 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,560 And she's got two world championship gold medals, sure. 346 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:34,080 I mean, Olympic gold in in LA would be nice, but it doesn't 347 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,920 bring you any closer to closing the gap on like the greatest of 348 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,200 all time conversation. And it's OK to be the second 349 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,360 best at an event ever in history. 350 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,120 So that's where Femka's at in the 400 hurdles. 351 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,680 She's 2524 or something like that, I think. 352 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,320 Still super young, tons of potential to keep the sport 353 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,080 interesting. We have so many stars who duck 354 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,120 out early when they've just sort of also hit that ceiling and 355 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:03,120 they lose interest and they're not that great afterwards. 356 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,840 Like we don't want that to happen with a talent like Femka. 357 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,920 So that's sort of what's on the table with exploring the 800 and 358 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,560 if the best case scenario is a couple European bronze and 359 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,800 silver medals to Keely. I think that that's still fine. 360 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,480 She's adding much more. She already has all that other 361 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,840 all the Olympic medals from the 400 hurdles. 362 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,360 This is a a good second chapter to to your career, Kyle, what 363 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,840 are you because you were, I think pretty. 364 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:35,920 It's how you create, Yeah, it's how you create a legacy. 365 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,560 I mean, look, First off, the 800 gets more attention than the 400 366 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,080 hurdles. Maybe we're skewed because of 367 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,840 Sydney the last few years, but you don't have to go too far 368 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,520 back in history to realize that the 800 definitely gets more 369 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,800 attention. But in terms of legacy building, 370 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,160 showing range, I mean, it's what Sydney has purposely been trying 371 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,920 to do is establish that she doesn't need to just be a 400 372 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,800 hurdler. And I think when you look at the 373 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,280 greats who have ever tried different events, that's how 374 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,800 like that's how you get people talking and excited. 375 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,120 And then to actually pull it off, that's when you go from the 376 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:14,040 conversation of, you know, is Cole Hawker the best 1500m 377 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,720 runner in the world? Or is he the best distance 378 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,480 runner in the world? By him moving up to the 5K, 379 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,880 that's now a conversation and something you can unlock with 380 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,520 Femka. If she can continue to do what 381 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,560 she's doing in the 404 by 4, because that's not going 382 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,520 anywhere. And then add the 800 to the the 383 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,960 her abilities. Like now all of a sudden it's 384 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,640 like, is she the best, you know, European middle distance runner 385 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,720 of all time or long spring what you would call yeah, depends who 386 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,000 you are what you describe for each 800 runners at. 387 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,640 Preet like where did you fall on Anderson's question of like, 388 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,240 what will make this worth it for femka? 389 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,120 I think she wants competition, right? 390 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,600 I think this this is the thing, right? 391 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,680 She in the 400 meter hurdle, she was in a bit of no man's land. 392 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:08,240 She was like always in the place where either she was losing to 393 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,520 Sydney or she was in a place where Sydney wasn't there. 394 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,280 So the question was always, well, what if Sydney had been 395 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,280 there? And yes, she could collect the 396 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,400 gold medals in Sydney's absence. And she is the second best and 397 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,680 there is no one else kind of close to her. 398 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,080 She's second best all time. There's no one else close to 399 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,480 her. So there was there was no 400 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,120 challenge, there was no intrigue. 401 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,960 And it wasn't like she was cementing her legacy as the 402 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,560 greatest of all time because of the presence of Sydney in the in 403 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,720 the back background of that picture. 404 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,440 So I think it's kind of this is a clean slate for her. 405 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,280 It gives her a chance to, you know, in in alignment with what 406 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,800 Carl said, forge her own legacy to kind of do something that is 407 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:55,600 unique, to do something where if she's successful, then it will 408 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,200 be amazing. It will be unbelievable and and 409 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,880 incredible. And if she doesn't quite 410 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,920 succeed, she will still, you know, she won't, you know, these 411 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,800 athletes are ultimately their competitors. 412 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,680 She didn't really have competition in 400 hurdles. 413 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,920 She wants, she wanted to have, I think she wants to have 414 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,040 something that challenges her, something that therefore excites 415 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,320 her. And I think that was the thing 416 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,600 about 400 hurdles. It didn't excite her. 417 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,880 And I think the 400 meters, she doesn't enjoy the training. 418 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,320 So I guess that was the the rationale for saying, OK, let's 419 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,440 try the A because she does have a bit more strength than a 420 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,840 typical 400m runner because she's a hurdler. 421 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,960 And maybe that that was the that was the choice right between the 422 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,360 400 and and the 800, and she picked the 8. 423 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,920 Who's the happiest person right now in the 400 hurdles like the 424 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,920 and on the women's side, like the when, when when all of this 425 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,280 dust has settled with, you know, Sydney moving to the 400, taking 426 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,520 the year off, you know, due to pregnancy and then after that 427 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,880 femka now all right, this 800 transition sticking like who's 428 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,520 the happiest creep? Well, you've got Emma 429 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,280 Zapletalova, who at that same meet ran 5078 massive PB in the 430 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,880 400 meters. So that's kind of that's pretty 431 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,160 quick. That's like the third fastest 432 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,400 time in the world this year. With all due respect to her and 433 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,400 this does kind of go to show just sort of behind Sydney and 434 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,160 Femka and you know the the Americans, Delilah, Jasmine and 435 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,680 and Anna. The struggle that the 400 436 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,280 hurdles has sometimes with its marketability is that Kyle and 437 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,600 I, you know, continue to forget her name. 438 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,840 But now. Well, it'll hopefully stick. 439 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,440 Yeah, exactly. So. 440 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,720 So she's there, obviously, yeah. And you, you just name the 441 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,080 three, three Americans as well as like four Americans because 442 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,080 there's also Shamir, if she, she comes back to the 400 hurdles. 443 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:51,480 So yeah, there's Anna, Jasmine, Shamir and Delilla, 4 big 444 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:59,120 Americans in the mix. And yeah, it's, and I think what 445 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,720 it does do is it means that there is a bit more intrigue, 446 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,320 there's a bit more competitiveness around the 400 447 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,520 hurdles in terms of who's going to win that gold medal, Because 448 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000 I think it could be any of those or maybe even someone else. 449 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,520 Savannah Sutherland's there. There are other people that that 450 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,480 could be in the mix there. There are some of the Jamaicans 451 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,160 as well who are very good. Andrinette Knight. 452 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:24,520 So yeah, there's a bit more. But I think, I think if you went 453 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,960 and watched the 400 meter hurdles on the Diamond League, 454 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,400 as I did multiple times last year in the races where Femka 455 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,360 wasn't there, obviously Sydney was never there. 456 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,200 There just wasn't much interest in that race, I'll be honest 457 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,080 with you. So it was a little, you know, 458 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,240 and obviously we enjoyed obviously Delilah having a bit 459 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:44,840 of a resurgence. So there are a couple of good 460 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,640 races with her in the mix. But other than that, there 461 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,720 wasn't really much to to kind of attract people to 400 hurdles. 462 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,240 The thing that I want to see now is I want to see Femka double in 463 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:04,480 2027 because she already has the buy, so let's get that 8400 464 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,360 hurdles double. Is the time people out for the 465 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,760 2027 World Championships in Beijing? 466 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,920 Don't know. But one thing that is 467 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,120 interesting did come out. One thing, one thing that is 468 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,560 interesting is 2 days ago they released a revised LA 2028 469 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,160 timetable doesn't. Help much though? 470 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,840 It doesn't help much. The the thing that they did is 471 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,440 connected to the 400 hurdles is they moved. 472 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,240 They swapped the women's 400 and the women's 400 hurdles because 473 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,000 they had the first round of the women's 400 before the mixed 474 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,600 relay. And somebody obviously pointed 475 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,160 out that that was a really stupid idea because then no one 476 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,800 would want to run the, no one good would want to run the mixed 477 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,040 relay if they're in the middle of their individual competition. 478 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,120 So. Well, news flash to them, I 479 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,720 still think that no one good will run the mixed 400. 480 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,800 I mean, if we've gone on three days. 481 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,480 Off before the before the and I think this is the thing, right? 482 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,160 That's the that's the thing that America has a problem with. 483 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,120 Every other country is like thinking we can get an Olympic 484 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,200 medal here if they've got a good team. 485 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,960 It's. And if America chooses to sit 486 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,880 out its biggest stars, yeah. Yeah, and exactly, America's 487 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,240 potentially start biggest stars, so there's a shot even at gold. 488 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,640 So yeah, I think that's probably where it stems from. 489 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,400 But yeah, we'll have to see how that. 490 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,680 You will have to like really play up the in the four women's 491 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,440 400 hurdles. I guess like the storyline you 492 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,360 would have to play up for the 2028 Olympics will be Jasmine 493 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,040 Jones and Anna Cockrell winning in LA where they went to 494 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,320 college. And that's sort of like the for 495 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,320 them, like that's they're really happy now because this with this 496 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,960 clear lane without Sydney and without Femka, you're allowed to 497 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,840 dream of winning gold in your signature event in. 498 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,600 In what year? 2028. 499 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,880 Well, Sydney's going to win. Oh, so you is your thinking 500 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,160 2028? She's not doing. 501 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,480 That double, double, Come on. She can't do the double. 502 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,880 You can double she can do the prelims in her sleep in either 503 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,560 event. But I think the semi is it the 504 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,360 semi of 1 and the final. Of the We went through the. 505 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,600 Schedule, she could do it in her sleep. 506 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,480 I do 2 finals in her sleep. All right, one other thing that 507 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,600 I want to talk about in this meet and Mets Yon True ran 729 508 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,440 and afterwards great race dominated one by over 10 509 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,720 seconds. They gave him the microphone and 510 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,320 he gave like a full speech for 5 minutes and I don't know what he 511 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,160 said he was speaking in French, but I want to just ask you like 512 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,160 what do we think of that? Like do we need more? 513 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,600 They do it in tennis like the athletes get the microphone and 514 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,960 just kind of there was no Q&A. It was just here's the 515 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,280 microphone and he just addressed the crowd for. 516 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,440 I think that's better than the the really bad interviews that 517 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,200 you sometimes get when an athlete comes off the track. 518 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,400 At least if you just give the athlete the opportunity to say 519 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,280 what they want, I think you'll get something better out of them 520 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,960 because they can prep that in advance. 521 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,120 And they can, you know, I think there's a little bit more, more 522 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,600 more that they can say what they want rather than like trying to 523 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,680 ask a question of, oh, how was the race? 524 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,160 How do you feel about the win? How much do you love this meet? 525 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,720 Do we? Know what he said? 526 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,680 No idea. Yeah, like maybe we'll even talk 527 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,080 about. Maybe it looked really fun. 528 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:31,600 It looked really fun. So in this day and age could be 529 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,320 dangerous right to let. People tell you if. 530 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,240 It's just an open mic, right? And I guess like, here's the 531 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,280 thing everyone wants, I guess nowadays, because of the 532 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,080 proximity to athletes and social media, you it seems like there's 533 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,120 a big population of fans who want to hear their athletes 534 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,040 opinion on XYZ topic, whether it's politics, whether it's 535 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,800 whatever's happening in the news. 536 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,800 And it it's sort of like do is that if we give athletes a 5 537 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,280 minute open mic after a race is, and is it like no holds barred? 538 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,840 Like, you can say whatever you want, go for it. 539 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,240 I guess. Like we would allow athletes to 540 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,000 express a little bit more, well, one, their personality, right? 541 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,320 They could go up there and have a ton of fun and just talk about 542 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,880 how awesome the experience was of the race or here's your 543 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,520 platform. Like, now go out there and bash 544 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:30,000 ice and talk about how terrible Donald Trump is. 545 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,560 And so, yeah, I mean, like, go for it. 546 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,760 But then you also have to be as a fan, ready for the opposite, 547 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,400 right? And someone could, yeah, I 548 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:47,640 guess, take ice aside, which would be bold and silly, but 549 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,280 hey, if that's you, you also. But then you would appeal to a 550 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,280 whole nother different audience. I guess pulling politics out of 551 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,840 it, I think that's like the idea of the the intrigue of giving 552 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,920 athletes the microphone or just doing extended interviews in 553 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,200 stadium is it's like an opportunity to get to know the 554 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,040 athletes in a more personal way that makes you root for them or 555 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,440 root against them again. Maybe Yon did like a little 556 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,280 stand up routine and it went great and you're like this guy's 557 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,360 awesome and now Albert for him. Or maybe he bombed to stand up 558 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,560 set and now we're we're throwing tomatoes next time out. 559 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,600 Yeah. So, yeah, it's sort of like if 560 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,080 do you want to open Pandora's box is the question. 561 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,880 And if so, you have to be ready for what's going to come next. 562 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,240 Sometimes it can be, you know, funny and and comedy and 563 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,600 whatever it is or just a good time. 564 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,680 And other times could upset you. But give athletes more 565 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,640 microphones. All right, let's move to our 566 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,200 other meet that took place and I think the biggest performance 567 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,640 from Karl's Rush. Is that how you say it? 568 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,880 How do you say it Preet? Karl's rush. 569 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,320 Karl's Rush. OK. 570 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,080 I always add letters. I got critiqued, I guess, on my 571 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,600 pronunciation of Mohamed Attitui, because I say Attitui 572 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,640 as if it was just ratatoui. It's italic, Yeah. 573 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,200 I thought up until this point I've been saying attitude I'd 574 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,120 like. It was Ratatouille without the R 575 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,240 and so Atawi. Yes, and he ran in Madrid on 576 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,360 whatever it was Thursday or Friday and ran the third fastest 577 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,800 time in history in the 1000 meters. 578 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,200 He was going. For he's having a great season. 579 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,800 Yeah, just missed the world record in 1000 meters by .3 of a 580 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,160 second all. Right. 581 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,760 So I guess can we address the thousand, I guess right now 582 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,120 while we're here? Let's we'll get to it after we 583 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,640 talk about. Because we do have another 584 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,240 thousand to discuss as well. Yeah, All right, so Olympic 585 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,400 bronze medalist Georgia Hunter Bell ran a world leading 4 flat 586 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,920 point O 4 to win the 1500. After the race she beat Burka 587 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,280 Highland, which I think was pretty notable. 588 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,880 Then Agatha Guillemont, Guillemont Guillemo. 589 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,080 Wow. All right, four O 2.12 French 590 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,760 indoor record. She's also I mean, I, I was 591 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,960 impressed with her leg of the mixed relay in Tallahassee and 592 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:11,200 so still going strong here after I afterwards, I think when they 593 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080 interviewed Georgia Hunter Bell, she said that she wanted to get 594 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,760 the world lead, wanted to go sub four and also win and she 595 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,720 achieved 2 out of the three. She's going to run a full indoor 596 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,680 season going for the World Indoor Championships in Poland. 597 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Does this give us any sort of like further indication is as to 598 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,040 pre, is she gonna be leaning more towards the 1500 for 599 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,680 indoors? So she she's entered for the 600 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,320 1500 of the British champs next week. 601 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,400 So I'm pretty certain she's going for the 15. 602 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,760 I mean she gets I I well, to be fair, she will get selected in 603 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,760 the 800 if she wants it. I think I mentioned it last week 604 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,640 that she. Yeah, if you're Izzy Bossy, 605 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,880 you're like, don't you dare. Yeah. 606 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,840 Cuz Keely's going for the 800 at British indoors but but Georgia 607 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,600 would would be offered the selection because she is racing 608 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,960 a British champs and she's a medalist in the 800. 609 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,520 So she'll get get off of the selection the 800 if she wants 610 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,240 it. So she could still race the 800. 611 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,679 But it sounds like it feels like she's racing a 1500 season. 612 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,600 So maybe that is what what she wants to do and she has some 613 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,760 unfinished business because last year at the at the European 614 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,159 indoors, she was the heavy, heavy, heavy favorite going into 615 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,080 that race. And she tried to do the slightly 616 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,560 unusual thing of taking out from the front, which is not her 617 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,719 style of racing just because she was the sort of the heavy 618 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,159 favorite. It didn't work out for her and 619 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,520 she was just pipped into 4th place. 620 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,040 So I think she has and that was that was kind of, she talked 621 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,040 about it quite a lot about how much that affected her and and 622 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,199 the kind of perspective it gave her after all success she had in 623 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,880 2024. So I think she has some 624 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,840 unfinished business with the indoor 1500 and I think she 625 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,960 might be trying to wipe away those memories and and make some 626 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:02,040 more positive ones in 2026. I was thinking of that race off 627 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,960 of this one where she took the lead from very far out and 628 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,680 controlled this race upfront. And I was thinking about 629 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,040 Europeans and being like, you know, coming off of 2024, 630 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,000 suddenly you have a medal and therefore a target. 631 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,120 And therefore you feel the pressure to make races what they 632 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,400 are And rather than letting them come to you, which is what she 633 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,960 had done the entire year, you know, in 2024. 634 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,000 And then this year, it looks like she can control races. 635 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,800 And you know, obviously it's not quite as sacked of a field as 636 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,280 you may find it world indoors soon. 637 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,080 But I thought she looked great controlling it up front and, you 638 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,480 know, winding it up. She she had a great finish. 639 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:44,960 So she's also targeting Laura Muir's British indoor record 640 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,360 which is 359. So that's the other reason why 641 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,560 she's annoyed She didn't go sub four because she tried it I 642 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,960 think, last year at the Keely Classic and again, ran 4 flat 643 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,000 irritatingly. And there were no pace lights at 644 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,280 this meet, which was a bit weird for gold meet in this day and 645 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,680 age. It was surprising, Yeah, 646 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,120 refreshing. But obviously, yeah, it meant 647 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,040 that some of the distance races were a bit on the weird side or 648 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,480 a bit slow in in some cases unexpectedly so. 649 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,200 They've raw dogged them, they just had to use the clock. 650 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,680 I don't. Maybe the athletes don't know 651 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,040 what the clock is anymore. They forgot what it looks like. 652 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,240 Well, how that splits? I have a question going back, 653 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,640 this idea of getting invited to British champs doesn't make any 654 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,560 sense to me. Like USATA. 655 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,560 It's like, oh congratulations, you've been invited to the 656 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,040 championship that obviously we want you at very badly. 657 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,480 So what? What is happening behind the? 658 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,480 Scenes I think it's it's an organizational thing and the 659 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,760 reason for it is because they're essentially trying to say, look, 660 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,360 these are all the potential athletes that could potentially 661 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,040 qualify for the meet or who are qualified. 662 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,480 So let's proactively invite them rather than get them to sign up 663 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,120 because then and then you kind of have a, a tracker of who 664 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,400 who's potentially qualified and who's actually accepted. 665 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,160 And it's a bit of a weird system, but it it's what we used 666 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,760 to. It does give you a slightly 667 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,120 weird feature of we do not get start lists or entry lists until 668 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,320 people rock up on the day of the meet itself at British Champs, 669 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,120 either outdoors or indoors. But. 670 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,120 But that's kind of because they only set because even if you've 671 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,240 accepted your invite, you only get fully added to the start 672 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,520 list when you turn up on the day and sign in. 673 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:38,480 So it's a very strange system, but. 674 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,360 Would you rather have that or like we can't even get a save 675 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,640 the date from USATF on like when USA is this I want? 676 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,920 Max Siegel calling up Sydney to say that, hey, I didn't know if 677 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,800 you heard about this meet, but you were invited. 678 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,120 And then like in that moment, you'd probably feel more 679 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,600 inclined to accept because it's such a personal touch. 680 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,960 Is it? Yeah, I guess we needed. 681 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,240 Maxi, your new profile picture this week will will, you know, 682 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,880 attract more people to to come to USATF about two days. 683 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,680 It looked like a like a like a traders like profile. 684 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,960 Was that AI enhanced? I don't think so. 685 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,080 A lot of. People do that now on like 686 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,160 LinkedIn, like the AI pic, and then you meet them in person and 687 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,640 you're like, that's just not what you look like. 688 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,560 All right, let's move. Actually were some of the other 689 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,840 notable results from from this meet we had. 690 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,480 GPS, right? Yeah. 691 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,920 So yeah, Grey Stark, the 786 opener was pretty good, but then 692 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,080 she pulled up with a hamstring at the end of the race, so hope 693 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,640 she's all right. Mehuchik jumped 201 and then 694 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,120 Asdeen Habs around 333, which is good. 695 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:55,000 He won, but obviously not as quick as the Cam Myers split in 696 00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:00,520 the Wanamaker miles. So and then yes, GDS 835 just 697 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,360 ahead and that was a very impressive close from Gabriella 698 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,320 Debou Stafford, really good to see her racing at that level. 699 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,920 But yes, 83594 and I think is that the world indoor standard? 700 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,160 I can't remember the word world indoor standards 835 or 836, but 701 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,080 I assume that's what they were going for. 702 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,560 Elise Cranny was just shy of that second place 837 O 6. 703 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,840 But what was impressive was the the the clothes from GDS. 704 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,520 She literally just took off with a lap to go and no one could 705 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,120 live with her. It's. 706 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,560 Been a while since we've seen that. 707 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,880 Was it 2 laps to go like she pushed from she? 708 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,000 Was yeah, maybe it was 2 laps to go. 709 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,560 Yeah, it was essentially 400 hours. 710 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,640 It was, it was very impressive. Stefan Nielsen had a good 3000 711 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,960 as well. It was just a great race on the 712 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,320 men's side that 3K, just few guys running wide, dipping out 713 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,840 the line. It was a good meet all around. 714 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,320 I think like we get sometimes Melrose expectations for every 715 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,440 single meet and can't have that. This was a great indoor meet 716 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,200 though. Yeah, some of these beats 717 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,160 actually like sneakily do score pretty high, like on like when 718 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,400 World Athletics scores like how meets perform and all that 719 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,960 stuff. And like I'm always blown away 720 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,000 by at the end of the year, it's like, oh, Milrose wasn't the 721 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,480 best. I just always think that. 722 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,880 Yeah, I I actually enjoyed the Mets meet more than this one 723 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,760 because they had some really good other races as well and 724 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,800 therefore hundreds were better than this meet. 725 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,480 And I mentioned Zaplettilover and Henry. 726 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,920 Actually, Jager was the one who actually won in 5061. 727 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,440 But the best thing about this is me, and I know I'm not going to 728 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,240 dwell on it, but the long jump is the best long jump 729 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,440 competition we've seen in about 3 years. 730 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:50,960 It's the first time 2 guys have gone over 837 in in indoors for 731 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,040 three years. Mature Fulani and Bozodar 732 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,840 Sarabiyakov, who could have come up three age groups together. 733 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,720 We're throwing wild leads at each other. 734 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:05,560 And so 837-830-8839 they jumped and they tied on 839 and Fulani 735 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,040 won on count back because his second best jump was 838 on 736 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,040 Sarah Beacles 837. So really cool. 737 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,680 And we got to see the competition as well, which was 738 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,960 also great on the stream. So do you like the count back? 739 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,720 Do you think that's how they should determine who wins? 740 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,240 I mean, I think it's better than anything else, right? 741 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:28,040 A jump off, just keep going till just one more jump, keep going. 742 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,560 One more jump. One more jump. 743 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,920 No, I I think the cat backs better. 744 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000 Cat backs. Definitely better than that, but 745 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,480 yeah. This episode of the Sidious Mag 746 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,680 Podcast is presented by Ollie Pop Polly Throws taking over for 747 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,920 this special ad rate, so try January may be over, but one of 748 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,200 the best things to come out of it was Ollie Pop's brand new 749 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,440 Shirley Temple flavor. Funny story, I was still under 750 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,280 21 when I started working with Sidious, and when I was on the 751 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,160 road with the team last year, I'd hit that awkward moment at 752 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,320 dinner when everyone's ordering drinks and I still had a few 753 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,160 months to wait. 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He beat Cooper Tier by about a 781 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,600 second and a half, two second PB. 782 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,640 So All in all, I guess like the question around this is what is 783 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,880 this performance indicate for this upcoming weekend where he 784 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:03,480 will be racing the mile against Sam Ruth on the JDL fast track. 785 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,440 And this used to be like the fastest flat track in the world 786 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,840 and now they've totally revamped it and it's faster, presumably. 787 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,760 And also now it's got, what would you call it, I guess 788 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,680 hydraulics. Hydraulics, yeah, yeah. 789 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,480 So they're sending this meet up to be pretty quick all around 790 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,640 from the three KS, 800 mile. You've got Sam Ruth in that 791 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,680 field. So in a way, like you're the 792 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,120 Olympic champion. You don't want to lose to the 793 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,480 high school kid. The high school kid just also 794 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:47,040 happens to be a 348 guy, which it's a it's a, it's a, it's a 795 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,240 good and a bad thing, right? Like you want the competition, 796 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,920 but then also you don't want that headline. 797 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,720 So I'm. Super just running this because 798 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,200 he scratched one of the miles that he's running on this US 799 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,400 trip, but I don't know whether it was this one or another one. 800 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,880 Because there was a graphic I saw from I think it was either 801 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,200 die stat or that it was just a head to head graphic between 802 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,200 Cole and Sam Ruth. So. 803 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:14,960 Yeah, so I take a step back, Cole running 216 kind of just 804 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,040 means nothing to me. I mean, you ran 218 as a tune up 805 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,880 before last year's Milrose where, you know, they got under 806 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:29,080 the 3K world record. So you know, 218 is a 722 or 807 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,480 whatever he ran. So 216 I think sets him up 808 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,280 obviously. Well they ran a 4 by 4 after I 809 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,400 think he's 49. 49.9 yeah. Which is not fast for him. 810 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,840 I'd like. I would be interested to know if 811 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,280 he did a workout the day before or came into this with like 812 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,040 threshold on his legs or something. 813 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,480 I don't think these were fresh. 2 sixteens 49 nines would be my 814 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,640 educated guess. So is the world record possible 815 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,760 with pacing and, and like this new track and all that stuff 816 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,040 that's being set up? I mean world record 345 sounds a 817 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,600 little bit more unlikely American record which is yards 818 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,120 time from Melrose last year, that could be potentially I 819 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,000 think in play. It's just like I don't know 820 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000 enough about the setup for this race. 821 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:22,480 So I was going to say this when you brought up Mohammed 1K 822 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,600 earlier and you know, he said that he was going for a world 823 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,080 record. And the question I posed to you 824 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,320 guys is, do we like it when athletes announce whether or not 825 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,840 they're going for world records? Or is it just kind of like, you 826 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,440 know what, if you're going for it, that's great, but like, you 827 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:39,880 don't have to make a big deal of it? 828 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:43,160 Or do we like it because it draws attention and you get in? 829 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,760 Which would you prefer? Because Cole's kind of said like 830 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,360 this isn't a world record attempt, but he has his he had 831 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,400 he he said it's not, but he's just going in and he thinks he's 832 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,280 in great shape and he's in better shape, but he's not 833 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,680 saying like, yeah, it's 344 bust. 834 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,920 I OK, so I can see the case for in the case against right. 835 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,720 And I probably learn more for the case for right, because I'm 836 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:11,880 all about how do we drive fans to want to watch this thing live 837 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:18,000 and talk about it and just fast, even at the very least take in a 838 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,960 good race, whether they fall short or not. 839 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,000 So I do like it when athletes are forward about, hey, I would 840 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,480 like to I, I, I'd like to take a stab at the world record or 841 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,560 American record or whatever. But in the case of something 842 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,240 like the Milrose Games where there are four guys in the race 843 00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:39,840 who could potentially break the world record, I could see why 844 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,720 you wouldn't want to announce it if you've got plans of running 845 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:46,080 the race otherwise or taking control of a race like we did. 846 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,760 We like we saw Cole in the two mile, right? 847 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,880 Like there's a lot of talk about world records in the lead up, 848 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,920 not necessarily from Cole. And he took to the front and 849 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,240 control that race and ran it in a way that was conducive for him 850 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:03,320 to get the win. So I could see that where it's 851 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,320 like, all right, if I don't say anything, then if I say 852 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,960 something, people are going to expect me to run it in a certain 853 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,480 way. If I don't say anything, I can 854 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,960 still take them by surprise. So I, yeah, I can see why 855 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,840 athletes wouldn't want to do it, but I would, I would like it if 856 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:22,600 they did. Yeah. 857 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,720 But it sometimes is revealing a lot, yeah. 858 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,040 So I'm gonna, so I've just looked, I've just looked up the 859 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,160 BBC athletics page, right? And the one bit of news about, 860 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,160 well, there's two bits of news about American athletes that 861 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,000 were on that front Page 1 is Shikari getting arrested. 862 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,560 The other one is Josh Howie breaking the world record, 863 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:47,800 right? So if you want things about 864 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:55,440 performances to hit like more mainstream, like news and 865 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,360 breakthrough world records is what does it. 866 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:03,240 I I think that is you know that ultimately, unfortunately, I 867 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:05,600 know it's not what we prefer. We like to say that let's have 868 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,200 great competition, etcetera, etcetera. 869 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,120 But telling that whole story to an audience that doesn't know or 870 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,880 care about track and field, you don't have like in this day and 871 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,280 age of social media, you don't have that kind of space to grab 872 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,400 their attention. It is a fast time. 873 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,880 It is someone the moment you say world record and that's what 874 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,680 grabs attention, right? It's Sam Ruth, it's gout gout. 875 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:31,400 It's like people even breaking world junior records get 876 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,200 attention because people love a teen phenom. 877 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,760 But it's those kind of things. So I think people saying they're 878 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,440 going after World records is a good thing in in that sense. 879 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,640 And look, we don't want every race to be a world record 880 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,840 attempt because then every race is a time trial. 881 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,760 It's pretty boring, right? And if you're running the 100 882 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,720 meters or the 200 meters, A, it's not realistic that it's a 883 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:55,240 world record attempt. And B, like we know full well 884 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,760 that it's only certain conditions and certain kind of 885 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:01,200 athletes that that are even got a chance there. 886 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:07,480 So, but I do think, yeah, world records, yes, let's, let's use 887 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,960 them as much as we can to generate. 888 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:16,520 OK, so then, Kyle, if if you do convince athletes to start, you 889 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,720 know, conveying that they want to go after the world record, 890 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,440 how many how many strikes do you get when you. 891 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,920 Like. If you if you say. 892 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,920 Three times you're going for world records and you don't get 893 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,200 it. I would say, all right, First 894 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,400 off, no sprinter is allowed to say it because you're always 895 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,480 going for the world record. Like that's it. 896 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,120 Like there's no pacing involved. Like you are every single time 897 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,680 I've yeah, I see 100m runner. You're going for the world 898 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,800 record. That's probably the only time 899 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,080 you'd say well. 400 is like an in between because there is like 900 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,120 a race pattern element there that you know, are you running 901 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,360 the first half in a race that sets you up in such a way. 902 00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,240 But I don't need anyone to be like, I'm going for 95 today. 903 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,680 It's like obviously you're going for 9/5. 904 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:09,600 It doesn't make a difference changing the way the the race is 905 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,760 going to be run. But no, I think it. 906 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,520 College kids not allowed to say they're going for world records. 907 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,320 No, no, definitely not. I think that my only issue with 908 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,120 the athletes saying that they're going for world records is if 909 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,600 they run a great race and come up short, that there should be 910 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,800 no disappointment. So like, if Cole is like, I'm 911 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,200 going for the world record, he runs 345 high. 912 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,480 I don't want to be like hearing commentators go, oh, he's so 913 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,200 close and have an ounce of disappointment because that'd be 914 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,920 a great race that deserves praise. 915 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,120 Yeah. It's just sort of conveying that 916 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,480 to all the right parties to be able to get that messaging 917 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,960 across. Well, they all listen to the 918 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,160 Sidious Mag podcast who are very fortunate. 919 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:54,760 You need it to be. You need. 920 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,600 You need it to be from the athlete, though, Like what about 921 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,840 coaches? Can a coach convey like, oh, 922 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,520 like if you're like, we're we're talking a couple days before 923 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,120 entries are even out officially, I think for BU this weekend. 924 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,600 And it's like, I guess within circles, we know Doris is going 925 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,240 for 1435 and Jane might be going for 14/20 in the mile, but it's 926 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:19,440 like, who needs to get that out there? 927 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,280 I actually think that coaches should start being the hype 928 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,360 people a little bit more, kind of like in boxing, you know, 929 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,560 like I want them to grab the microphone, be like my athletes 930 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,000 going to tell take everyone down, they're going to grab the 931 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,720 world record in the process, yadda, yadda. 932 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:38,240 And the like the athlete being like, whoa, my coach, he's 933 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,240 crazy. And there are a few coaches that 934 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,960 do the talking for their athletes. 935 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,760 You know, I think of like Bobby Kersey, like Sydney is never the 936 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,680 one saying that she's going to go do XYZ, but Bobby will chat 937 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,240 to the media and say things. I think it's great. 938 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,800 I guess the Ramuli kind of does it too, right? 939 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,600 Like he's he'll hype up his athletes and it's like, yeah, 940 00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,040 you should be the hype person for your athletes and then 941 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,360 you're not putting the same level of pressure on them in 942 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,960 saying it, but you are drumming up some interest. 943 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:11,040 So I'm team get the coaches need a same Laura and also moms, moms 944 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,680 and dads. We got to get them on the mic a 945 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,800 little bit more. I want parents coming out hyping 946 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,880 their kids up. That's what this sport means. 947 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,280 Don't know about your training either. 948 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,880 Like they're just always going to be saying they're going for a 949 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,800 world record always, no matter what. 950 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,400 My son's the best. Love him. 951 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,320 No idea how he's been doing. I haven't spoken in months. 952 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:39,640 He never calls. All right, let's move on over to 953 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,760 our next topic, which is I want. To start on World Records for a 954 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,520 moment, Chris and I wanted to ask Kyle, how does it feel to be 955 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,400 a forward record holder? Yeah, me and Kennedy Syndicate 956 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,320 Kayla. No, all three are gone. 957 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,480 All three of my obscure Relay world records have been 958 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,000 eliminated. Then we need to make the 959 00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,560 graphic. It's not too late, we can still 960 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,400 make the graphic. Zero World Records. 961 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,480 I should have I I One of my biggest regrets is not 962 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:11,400 prioritizing gold medals, no focus on winning indoor world 963 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,200 records. I was pumped for Atlanta. 964 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,200 I mean, Tommy no hilly who's the former coach Ben Jay and why 965 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,720 taking his talents over to Atlanta and breaking his own 966 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,760 world record. That's I didn't even know that 967 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,480 was happening. And then all of a sudden you get 968 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,840 the notification that a world records been broken. 969 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,400 So maybe it would have been nice to have a heads up. 970 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:38,840 OK, on the note of the four by 8 and the record that fell 4 by 971 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,320 eights at the professional level or at this at that caliber not 972 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,640 run all that often. And so when people see the time, 973 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,280 they're like, oh, OK, you do the math here like a couple 140 974 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,520 sevens and that thing should go down and everyone's running 144 975 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,560 nowadays. Like what needs to go right in 976 00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:01,080 order for A4 a good 4 by 8 to It happened because like this 977 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,160 record stood much longer than probably most people would look 978 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,760 at that time and be like, well, that's a world record. 979 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:10,800 Well, so something that I like about this world record and in 980 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,480 general with relays is I think when it's a real team that is 981 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,720 like the best case scenario. So like the Atlanta track club, 982 00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:20,200 like they are a team. So for them to go and get it is, 983 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,760 you know, it's just more meaningful. 984 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,520 Like they taken from like the book of it, like NCAA Blaze. 985 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,160 It's like, yeah, if a team wins A championship, you're doing 986 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,400 with your teammates. It's special, I guess, like just 987 00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:38,960 going back to like the days of World Relays and whatnot. 988 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,920 Competition does everything. And they didn't have 989 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,840 competition. And look, obviously like there's 990 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,360 four Kenyans who are looking at this being like, obviously we 991 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,560 could break 7 flat indoors, like if we go and do this. 992 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,320 But that shouldn't take away from the fact that like an 993 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,720 actual club is the one to have gone and done it and set the 994 00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:00,920 bar. And I want more clubs going up 995 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,560 against each other and it gives us something to get excited 996 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,200 about. And yeah, so that's cool. 997 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:12,240 All right now we can move on over to Jakob being a Brits in 998 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,360 and our biweekly injury update on this guy. 999 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:21,040 He just underwent Achilles surgery out in California. 1000 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,760 Didn't message any of us to let us know that he. 1001 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,200 Was visiting, it wasn't his Achilles. 1002 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:27,520 Right. No, I was going to clarify that 1003 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,280 because I guess his. Achilles sheet totally 1004 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,480 different, not related at all. So he had surgery on the sheath 1005 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,840 surrounding his left Achilles tendon which ended nearly a year 1006 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,400 long struggle with injuries in that area. 1007 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,640 He got well enough I guess to get the green light to compete 1008 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,040 at the World Championships. Was it anything fantastic? 1009 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,000 No. He made it to the semi finals of 1010 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,080 the 1500 and then actually I would say ran ran decently well 1011 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,960 in the 5K final played a role in Cole Hawker getting the win 1012 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,280 again because he took it to the front and then just kind of 1013 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,720 slowed the pace too. So that's two races that Cole 1014 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,800 got a gold medal favor from from Jakob. 1015 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,240 But further details about this. It was obviously affecting his 1016 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:24,160 performance last year and the question mark is his Achilles 1017 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,320 tendon is intact. So that's that's fine. 1018 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,320 The sheath around the tendon was damaging, scarred, which caused 1019 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,120 some recurring pain. So that was what was being 1020 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,000 tended to. It was a similar issue to a 1021 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,080 previous injury in his right Achilles that he had in 2023 and 1022 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,280 2024. But he came back from that 1023 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:47,480 injury obviously very, very well and the surgery just removed a 1024 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:52,840 bunch of scar tissues. So it's likely I guess he's out 1025 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,880 for the year or actually maybe, no, actually that's not true 1026 00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:02,320 because I think his spokesperson said that there was a three to 1027 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,240 seven week timeline on sort of coming back from this sort of 1028 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,440 thing. So that wouldn't necessarily 1029 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:13,160 scrap the entire outdoor season. But now this is 2 years that 1030 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,240 we've lost of Jakob potentially in his prime. 1031 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,480 The reason I say that given the fact that he's still what, 25 1032 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:27,560 years old super like, is there is always just sort of been like 1033 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,200 a cautionary cloud hanging over Inga Britson and his the way 1034 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,720 he's trained because of the shorter shelf life to his 1035 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,520 brother's careers where they trained at this very seeming it 1036 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,720 like intensity for a period of time. 1037 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:48,040 And they didn't necessarily have the best end to their 20s 1038 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,920 competitively. And so now Jakob is heading into 1039 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,440 the back half of his 20s, coming off of two years of dealing with 1040 00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:02,040 Achilles injuries. And before when before all of 1041 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,360 that, when he was at 100%, we were thinking this is going to 1042 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,560 be the guy who's going to break the 1500 meter world record. 1043 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,240 You look at the ages and and of of all the people who have set 1044 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,800 the 1500 mile world records and it's usually kind of in that 1045 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,840 2526 or 23 to 26 range right now. 1046 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:29,920 That's when he L guruge, not aided by super spikes and some 1047 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,480 of the other names on that list. Probably also, I mean pre super 1048 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,800 spikes as well. But so I'm I'm willing to give 1049 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,840 him sort of the grace of like, OK, he's still in his 20s. 1050 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:45,160 He'll be able to come back and get close to that form and or 1051 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,400 maybe even surpass it. So I'm not writing him off 1052 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,640 entirely from breaking records. But my question around Yacob is, 1053 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,280 does this reset sort of expectations of what he's going 1054 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,120 to be like? And have we already seen the 1055 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,360 best of Jakob Kyle? Are you willing to like kind of 1056 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,800 go bold in that sense? I guess first thing that I will 1057 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,040 say is if Jakob never ran another step again, you could 1058 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,960 take, you could cut both of my Achilles off. 1059 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,440 You could take my whole legs. I'd take that career like like, 1060 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:19,440 that's a good career. That's now medically speaking. 1061 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,120 Let's talk about the Achilles sheath. 1062 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:23,880 Preet. I'm not a doctor. 1063 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,040 I don't know if you know this. Do you remember the first like 1064 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,120 interaction we ever had? I think I posted it was in Paris 1065 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,040 and I posted a meme or something. 1066 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:36,000 I said, or is it Budapest? I said someone has that dog in 1067 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,600 them. And I was like, check out this 1068 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,200 MRI. They got the dog in them and 1069 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,920 Preet found me and he said, hey, just so you know, that's not an 1070 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:47,120 MRI, that that was an X-ray. That that wasn't me. 1071 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,120 That was my friend who I was with who was a doctor. 1072 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,600 But, but that was our first interaction. 1073 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,800 That was the first interaction. That was the breakfast I came to 1074 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,040 Budapest that that's how I got called to Remember Me. 1075 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,600 So Preet and his friend corrected me. 1076 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,320 I will say in general, the Achilles is terrifying. 1077 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,960 It, you know, it, it hangs for a really long time and they these 1078 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,440 injuries linger. You know, I think the question 1079 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,400 we're ultimately asking is like, is this, does this mean Jakob's 1080 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,320 best days are behind him? I would say no, but I do think 1081 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:27,240 in the 1500 mile, I think he's going to come back and probably 1082 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,280 just, I think we've always all believed that he's an aerobic 1083 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,920 monster who'd be better off if he fully focused on the 5K10 Ki. 1084 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,680 Don't think 325 is going to happen, but I think that he will 1085 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,680 come back and just be more distance focused just because 1086 01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,760 you can't train in the same intensity when you're nursing an 1087 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,840 Achilles. And now to your point, he's 1088 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,480 getting a little bit older. And as people do, they get a 1089 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:57,040 little bit older, they move up. Preet, what was your reaction to 1090 01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,200 seeing this news and do you think his best days are behind 1091 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,960 him? Well, I, I think it's, I think 1092 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,840 this is the thing, right? We we've all kind of had that 1093 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,440 worry that yes, like his brothers, is there a risk that 1094 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,440 by his mid 20s, his career starts to kind of Peter out 1095 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,800 because he's been training at such high level from a younger 1096 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,200 age? He's always said and kind of the 1097 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,320 suggestion has always been almost his brothers were the 1098 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,600 Guinea pigs. And so he's the kind of ultimate 1099 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,000 success story off the back of that. 1100 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,720 But we see these recent injuries are not great. 1101 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,120 Like it's not a great history over the last for three years, 1102 01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,320 right it. Was only two. 1103 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,120 It was only two test trials, right? 1104 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,760 Like I don't know if that wasn't a big enough sample size to have 1105 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,480 a perfect experiment. Yeah. 1106 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,440 So, you know, he's obviously, you know, hoping that he has a 1107 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,120 longer career ahead of him. And I think obviously the Super 1108 01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,400 shoes and all of that stuff potentially makes a difference 1109 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,400 to longevity as we've seen. So I think there's a chance. 1110 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,160 But I think someone, I think it was a fantastic article, 1111 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,680 Jonathan Gaul, where he listed the age of all the people who 1112 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,680 set the 5010 thousand and 1500 meter world records. 1113 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:20,040 And no one was over the age of 25 in the last like 25 years. 1114 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:25,120 So whether that's El Giroux, Berkeley chapter guy, like they 1115 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,120 will set them when they were in their early 20s. 1116 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,120 And that's the one thing that maybe makes you take pause and 1117 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,560 say, look, does he have a chance of setting these world records? 1118 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:39,080 Yes. But is there a a window of maybe 1119 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,840 he could still come back to top of the world level, but is his 1120 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,400 chance of running those fastest times ever? 1121 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,400 Is that potentially behind him? I don't know. 1122 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,520 But but it's, it makes you think, right, because of that, 1123 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,480 that history that's there. Yeah, but like, I don't think I 1124 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,240 buy as much into the age whole argument behind this whole 1125 01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,480 thing. Like in a similar vein, like 1126 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,960 Josh Kerr, I still believe is fully capable of also breaking 1127 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,280 these records. And he's old. 1128 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,560 He's 28 by Jesus. Jesus. 1129 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:17,560 So like I just with the advances of of the track technology, the 1130 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,360 lights, the shoes and all that kind of stuff, buy car beet 1131 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,400 juice. Yeah, like that takes your, 1132 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,600 your, your age score is is much lower. 1133 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,040 You might be 25 on paper, but Yaakov might be feeling like 1134 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:36,280 he's 22 right now, all things considered with all that stuff. 1135 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:42,280 So I think there's still time. Do I I think his odds of 1136 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,400 breaking these records obviously has gone down. 1137 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,400 I feel like if. OK, So what were what would you 1138 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,600 put the odds of Yaakov breaking the 1500 world record at the 1139 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,960 beginning of 2025? And then what are that now you 1140 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,200 think, Kyle? I mean, really put me on the 1141 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,840 spot. I don't think he's going to 1142 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,800 break the 1500 meter world record. 1143 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,320 Yeah, so the kaushi right now if like you would bet no. 1144 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,760 No, again, I think he could break the 5000 meter world 1145 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,520 record, but yeah, no, the 1500 world record, that's. 1146 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,560 That's Kohl's. That's going to be yeah. 1147 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:21,280 Or like Cooper Luton house or something. 1148 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:27,800 So Sam Ruth But yeah, I mean, I I was just more intrigued by, 1149 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,040 like, him coming over to California to do that. 1150 01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,520 And like, you could have gotten done for free if you would have 1151 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,120 stayed in Norway. Like who's paying for this? 1152 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,440 Yeah, probably very, very expensive procedure, I'm sure to 1153 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,840 just come all the way out here. But you may be, I mean, the best 1154 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,560 doctors out here, although actually, I don't know if I 1155 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:48,400 believe that because ever since the United States left, what was 1156 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,400 it Now we're like finding all these different reversing, we're 1157 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,120 reversing cancer in all these different countries and, and. 1158 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,560 The country doesn't have cancer anymore. 1159 01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,160 No, no, no. No, no, it's not necessarily 1160 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:04,200 that cancer has been cured, but like they found a way to revert 1161 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,760 like then there was, I don't know, this is my Twitter feed 1162 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,880 and you can only believe half the stuff that you see on there. 1163 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:14,200 Some doctor in Spain, I think also found some crazy. 1164 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,600 Did you see this? Like is this making your sort of 1165 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,400 like news headlines and stuff out in Europe, but like a doctor 1166 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:25,000 in Spain found some sort of big advance in one of the like 1167 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,520 there's many different cancers. One of the one of the cancers 1168 01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:33,200 doctors in South Korea, I think also found a way to reverse 1169 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,040 cells and all that stuff. And so they're not American 1170 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,880 doctors that are making these discoveries. 1171 01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,440 So. But regardless, maybe we're just 1172 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:43,840 really good at surgery. So we're. 1173 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,800 The best at the Achilles sheath surgery that's. 1174 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,160 That's what they're saying, yeah. 1175 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:48,560 Yeah, that. You know, just. 1176 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,880 An Achilles sheath procedure. You you go to Stanford. 1177 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,200 So in, in athlete contract budgets, like you have like 1178 01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:00,480 physiotherapy as a budget. And during my career I, I had 1179 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,720 like a major surgery and I tried to use my physiotherapy budget 1180 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,760 on it. Like I didn't run all year and 1181 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,320 it was denied. It was like, no, that's not 1182 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,080 physiotherapy. It was like, but I'm trying to 1183 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,400 get healthy. That should count. 1184 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,760 Yeah. And so I'm sure he's Nike 1185 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:21,080 probably flipped this bill. Yeah, special treatment for a 1186 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,560 golden medalist. All right, let's see, Do we have 1187 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,600 any? Oh, OK, so now the topic that 1188 01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,480 we've kind of been holding on to for a couple weeks now, there 1189 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,480 was this slight announcement. And I only learned of this 1190 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:42,480 because USATF put out like a very handy sort of article on 1191 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:47,200 their site about changes to the world ranking system. 1192 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,440 And I didn't see this on World Athletics and I didn't see a 1193 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:57,040 much anything really online being discussed about this. 1194 01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,480 But there are changes to the world ranking system. 1195 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,880 And I immediately sent it over to pre and you and I was like, 1196 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,880 what does this all mean? Kyle? 1197 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,040 You are, I think, a bit more attuned to this just obviously 1198 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:13,080 through your job last year with working with athletes and meets 1199 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,200 and what they mean in terms of just like the, you know, the 1200 01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:23,520 World Athletics labeling for them and the points pre you took 1201 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,600 a good look at sort of the changes. 1202 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,359 So we'll start with pre pre. What are explain to the folks? 1203 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,479 What are the changes being made to the world ranking system? 1204 01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:37,399 OK, so maybe the starting point is, you know what, how how do 1205 01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,680 world rankings, what are world rankings used for? 1206 01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,960 Maybe let's start with that one. And we use them for, you know, 1207 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,760 whether athletes get invited to meets. 1208 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,040 And obviously if you're like the biggest athletes, obviously 1209 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,279 everyone knows who you are. But but once. 1210 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,880 But I think no, this is just more like getting into diamond 1211 01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,680 leagues or getting into other other meets on the circuit. 1212 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,200 Right. Wink wink. 1213 01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,920 It's a ranking. It's a game, like people have 1214 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,640 said, like yeah, if the meat organizer doesn't know who you 1215 01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,000 are, you refer them to your world ranking. 1216 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,240 And if it's kind of relatively high compared to other people in 1217 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,840 the race that that they might invite you, right? 1218 01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:17,640 Sydney though, I'm ranked. 5th in the in the 4th. 1219 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,880 Year hurdle, Let me introduce myself. 1220 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,840 Yeah. Well, brands might take it into 1221 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,359 consideration. We're trying to decide whether 1222 01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:25,760 to sponsor athletes or we see again, when you're looking down 1223 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:30,080 at those people who are on the bubble, right, or where you're 1224 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,640 trying to qualify for World Championships and, and Olympics 1225 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,319 and things like that, where obviously World Athletics have 1226 01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:39,600 said we want 50% of the people to qualify by world ranking. 1227 01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,040 And then, you know, there's things like Europeans, 1228 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,960 Commonwealth Games, all those kind of events where rankings 1229 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,800 are important. And obviously, most importantly 1230 01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:53,120 for 2026 is getting into the World Ultimate Championships is 1231 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,600 entirely on ranking unless you are world or Olympic or Diamond 1232 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,880 League champion. So that is there's no qualifying 1233 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,200 standard for the Ultimate Championships. 1234 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,160 So that again makes it, you know, brings it into focus for 1235 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:10,160 this season and to get a world ranking you've got to compete a 1236 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,640 certain number of times in your event. 1237 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,120 And for most of the events that is five times. 1238 01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:20,240 For 5000 meters it's three times and 10,000 meters it's like 2 or 1239 01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,160 marathon or multi events, it's two. 1240 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:28,480 And each time you compete, it's converted into Chris's favorite 1241 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,960 scoring table using Chris's favorite scoring tables. 1242 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:37,200 You know, it is converted into a numerical score for your mark so 1243 01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:42,800 that you can compare the marks between meets and events and and 1244 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:47,280 also between events. In fact, if you want to so and 1245 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,440 then in addition, there is this overlay, which is the placing 1246 01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:55,160 score. So if you do a performance at a 1247 01:10:55,160 --> 01:11:00,080 really good meet like a Diamond Lee or a or a World 1248 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,120 Championships, etcetera, then you get more placing points for 1249 01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,280 winning or placing high in those races. 1250 01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:12,240 Whilst if you do that at, you know, some random meet at your 1251 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:16,920 local high school track, then that has no placing points even 1252 01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,040 if you win. So basically you can run the 1253 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,800 same performance, but it can count more towards your world 1254 01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,160 ranking because it's meant to reflect the level of competition 1255 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,680 that you potentially beaten in that race. 1256 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,360 Now, the bit that has changed, right, is so you would, you'd 1257 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,320 get a ranking based on the average of your, you get a score 1258 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,440 based on the average of your top five performances. 1259 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,560 And you know that would that would determine your ranking 1260 01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,800 relative to other people in 2026. 1261 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,280 What while athletics have done is they've reduced the weighting 1262 01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:56,840 of the placing score in in that ranking. 1263 01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:58,600 And that might seem quite esoteric. 1264 01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,640 It might make me think like, why do I even care? 1265 01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,560 Like they've just fiddled around with the formula a bit. 1266 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:08,680 But I'll give you like a really practical example, right? 1267 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:14,720 So for example, who do you think was the the world #1 ranked 1500 1268 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,960 women's runner in 2025 last year? 1269 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,560 Faith kipiagon it. Was not faith. 1270 01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,080 Kipiagon. It was not Faith Kipiagon. 1271 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,360 Was it? Georgia. 1272 01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:31,320 Georgia. No, Georgia didn't run many 1500 1273 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,760 results, Yeah. Jess Hall. 1274 01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,320 No. Now you might think it probably 1275 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,480 should be Jess Hall, but it was Nellie Jeff Church here because 1276 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,680 Nellie Jeff Church here went to the Diamond League circuit and 1277 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,760 she cleaned up. She won 3 Diamond Leagues and 1278 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:57,560 the Diamond League a win got you, it used to get you 200 and 1279 01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,320 200 placing points. And if you won the Diamond 1280 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,760 League final, which we did, she got 240 placing points for that 1281 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:13,080 win. Now in 2026, that flipped around 1282 01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:17,680 and Jess Hull became the top ranked 1500m runner based on 1283 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:24,200 last year's results. And that's because instead, the 1284 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:31,440 Diamond League win got her 100. And in fact, it was only what 1285 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:34,640 was it? It was 100 placing points, or 1286 01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,760 100. And in fact, no, sorry. 1287 01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,440 You heard the regular Diamond League. 1288 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,120 Yeah, sorry, 140. Yeah, they've they've sort of 1289 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,320 basically, you know, tanked the the regular Diamond League, the 1290 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,920 Diamond League final. She only got 117, thirty, 40. 1291 01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,640 So they, they really massively reduce the placing scores 1292 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,040 associated with everything. I think even the World 1293 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,480 Championships, they reduce the placing scores quite 1294 01:13:55,480 --> 01:14:00,320 substantially. And so Jess, who'd run faster 1295 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,120 than the fact that she'd run quicker times on average, 1296 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,480 counted for more, even though she hadn't won the races in 1297 01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:10,320 which she'd run those times. And in fact, all of the results 1298 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,800 that she got, she didn't win a single race. 1299 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,080 But of the five races that count in a world ranking, but she's 1300 01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,280 still the The world number one's ranked 1500m runner. 1301 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:26,200 So I guess to spark note the change is World Athletics has 1302 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:31,200 decided that how fast you run should be weighted more heavily 1303 01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:38,960 than how competitive of a field you be versus how they used to. 1304 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:44,000 So in my opinion, the opposite of what we should be trying to 1305 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:48,000 do because now it's saying, hey, why would you even bother going 1306 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,520 to a Diamond League and racing the best athletes in the world 1307 01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,960 when you could just run as fast as possible in a time trial? 1308 01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:58,000 That'd be you. And historically for rankings, 1309 01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,560 that was the reason to go to the biggest meets, the most 1310 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,160 competition is to get that play score. 1311 01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:05,840 And now it is not valued as much. 1312 01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,600 And so we're saying just go run fast, it doesn't matter where, 1313 01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:11,840 which I don't. Love. 1314 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,360 Yeah. It's crazy because I guess we've 1315 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,360 heard just sort of through the Grapevine just how much, well, 1316 01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,320 athletics hates the fact of how these times are all coming out 1317 01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,000 of BU. You look at the 5K, all 1318 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,240 timeless. I think the top 100 marks 1319 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:30,040 indoors are all at BU and people in Europe too. 1320 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,600 I think was the was the issue last year are skipping out on 1321 01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:37,720 these European Gold Tour meets indoors to go and chase a 1322 01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:42,880 standard at BU and this is only going to this doesn't alleviate 1323 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,920 that problem. I think. 1324 01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,760 But the one thing is, shouldn't you be thinking, and I'm 1325 01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,720 surprised you guys haven't said this, who does this benefit the 1326 01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,120 most? Americans. 1327 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,520 American athletes So the fact is that the US has only one Diamond 1328 01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:03,560 League, it has two indoor gold meets, and it has very few gold 1329 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,840 continental tour meets it. We got a, we got a new one 1330 01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,960 coming though. You've got a new one coming. 1331 01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:14,560 Yeah, that got A and. M Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I but 1332 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:20,400 just because where from America doesn't mean that we don't want 1333 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,880 to see the American athletes go over compete against the best. 1334 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:27,280 I would argue it's the opposite. So to as noted in the USATF 1335 01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:32,160 article, 80% of US athletes ranking improved based off of 1336 01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:36,440 this change. But what we really want is to 1337 01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:40,240 force the US athletes to go wherever the best competition is 1338 01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,640 and race that and now it's the opposite. 1339 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,360 So even though it helps my team, I I don't love it. 1340 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,280 Yeah, these Diamond League meets would be are better when there 1341 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:55,760 are more Americans. I, I, I think that the reason 1342 01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:00,520 why they have done this is because it was skewing the 1343 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,200 results a bit too much, right? You were getting these slightly 1344 01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:09,160 sillier results, which in in the rankings where, for example, 1345 01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,880 Melissa Jefferson Wooden was again, not ranked as the top 1346 01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,680 200m runner in the world last year, it was Brittany Brown 1347 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,720 because she'd won a few Diamond leagues, right? 1348 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:18,560 And she. Yeah. 1349 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:23,560 So, so I think again, it's that same analysis that is like 1350 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:29,520 actually you, you want to, you know, ultimately the person in 1351 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,760 at the top end of the rankings, the people who have run the 1352 01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,240 quickest are the best athletes, right? 1353 01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,800 Ultimately, you're probably going to say that, right? 1354 01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,200 And OK, maybe Azerdine Habs last year didn't kind of, that didn't 1355 01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,640 come true. But for the most part, in the 1356 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,080 vast majority of events, the athletes who run the quickest, 1357 01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,200 throwing the farthest, whatever they are in general going to be 1358 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:50,560 the highest ranked athletes. And if they've done that 1359 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:55,200 consistently across 5 meets, that definitely is more 1360 01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:59,360 representative than if they they go to the they clean up at the 1361 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:03,000 Chinese Diamond leagues where not that many of the top 1362 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,800 athletes in the event have turned up. 1363 01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,920 And actually they've got a load of ranking points from from 1364 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,680 that. And there's a little bit about 1365 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,840 playing the game and they're trying to reduce that. 1366 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,560 So I could understand the rationale and it probably makes 1367 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:20,960 sense at the kind of and I think it does make sense in in in that 1368 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,640 way. Because I think if you're then a 1369 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,440 local athlete that gets, you know, a side entry into a 1370 01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:28,840 Diamond League because you're from the host nation or 1371 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,440 whatever. And you get additional ranking 1372 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:34,120 points from that that boost your chances of getting to these 1373 01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,800 major championships over another athlete who might be equally or 1374 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:42,000 more talented, but has not been able to get that access into 1375 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,680 some of these top meets. So I think there is a, there is 1376 01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,120 a bit of rationale to it that they don't. 1377 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,920 I think the waiting was just a little bit too skewed. 1378 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,680 But yeah, it's hard to know how the calibration, you know that 1379 01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,440 recalibration will have worked because yes, there is that risk 1380 01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:01,760 that fast times get incentivized too much, BU gets intensivized 1381 01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:06,360 too much etcetera. There's no perfect way to do it, 1382 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:11,040 but it's almost like you need to know the rankings of everyone 1383 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,920 that was beaten in the race and have that be the impact of the 1384 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,600 play score. So if you beat, even if it's at 1385 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,880 BU, if you beat 10 guys were ranked in the top 20, then that 1386 01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,760 should be noted in the amount you're rewarded on the play 1387 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,160 score. But there's no way to do that, 1388 01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,040 so it's just alright. Well, which meets give the 1389 01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,160 biggest prize money and assume that they are the most 1390 01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,920 competitive? Yeah. 1391 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,240 And this is where they actually have this kind of requirement, 1392 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,000 for example, to have a certain level of high-ranking athletes 1393 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,760 for, for example, some of these elite marathons that where 1394 01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,680 there's been some shenanigans, which is why I'm giving them as 1395 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:49,080 an example to actually get the highest level of of, of ranking 1396 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,320 as the Platinum label Rd. races and stuff in China, for example. 1397 01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,280 And then they have those athletes scratch at the last 1398 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,840 minute and they still keep their platinum label status. 1399 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,880 And I think the risk, I think is what you don't want to do is 1400 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,520 then you have a start list which has all these amazing athletes 1401 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:09,800 on it so that athletes want to come to that race. 1402 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,520 And then they rock up. And then half those athletes 1403 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,080 actually don't turn up scratch. And like, you don't actually 1404 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,080 know when you're turning up to a race what the ranking. 1405 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,600 Position of that race is actually going to be. 1406 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,200 So I actually have thought of that exact example and then I've 1407 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,520 gone through it in my head and I thought actually there's too 1408 01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,200 much room for like people messing around with this. 1409 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,800 If you try to do it based on the actual rankings of the athletes 1410 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,280 or the the quality of the field, that actually turns up. 1411 01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,440 It's a bit too difficult to do. While we're just airing our 1412 01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:43,360 grievances on rankings, I got one more little sort of tweak 1413 01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,880 that has come to mind just actually in the last couple 1414 01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:50,360 weeks, I think. And this is maybe something that 1415 01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,640 can hopefully get rectified in the next month or two or or 1416 01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,320 three and during the before the outdoor season, hopefully. 1417 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,600 Ellie Saint Pierre's world ranking has taken a massive hit, 1418 01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:07,840 obviously by the fact that she missed 2025 due to, you know, 1419 01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,600 pregnancy, But you know, she's currently, I think, leading the 1420 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,720 world right in the in the 3K. And when it comes to you, you've 1421 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,800 now just sort of set her up. You're you're punching her for 1422 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,640 having a baby last year that for her goal of reaching the world 1423 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:27,200 ultimate championships, you're leaving her a lot of work to do 1424 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,840 over the next couple of months and forcing her to raise a ton. 1425 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:37,600 My proposition is if you so let World Athletics know, you know, 1426 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,200 after you let your family know and your friends know that 1427 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,960 you're pregnant and you're going to be taking time away, your 1428 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,960 world ranking should freeze. If you're a woman at the spot 1429 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,800 where you leave off and then when you come back. 1430 01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,840 So there would be two people say if Ellie was ranked 7th when 1431 01:21:54,840 --> 01:22:00,600 she, you know, before she got pregnant and took 2025 off, then 1432 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:05,000 when she comes back to compete, her ranking starts at 7th. 1433 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,920 And that would make it, I think, a bit more fair because now, I 1434 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:13,000 guess like, I don't know, you're kind of messing around with 1435 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,960 family planning when it comes to. 1436 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,960 I think here actually it because the way they've done the 1437 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,680 qualifying and now because Worlds is always at the end of 1438 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,920 the year. So basically the only thing that 1439 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,600 counts from last year is the World Championships. 1440 01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:32,000 The the qualifying is yeah, is second, you know, 2nd of 1441 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,480 September. And maybe there is kind of an 1442 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:37,280 argument of, oh, OK, take your last major championship if you 1443 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,600 missed it through injury or some or through, through. 1444 01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,720 And I think like in in sports like tennis, they have the 1445 01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,400 protected ranking thing. But I think the only thing that 1446 01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:49,680 ranking is used for is to qualify for some of these, you 1447 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:53,240 know, in if you're an athlete at that level of, you know, of Ali 1448 01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,440 Saint Pierre's level, then then I think the, you know, the key, 1449 01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:01,000 The thing is if you are within a year, you're you're kind of 1450 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,800 trying to come back then then you know, it depends on your 1451 01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,040 timing. But if you're there for that 1452 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,280 whole season, then you're fine, right? 1453 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:10,160 Yeah. I'm sitting, I'm sitting up. 1454 01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:11,920 The early Saint Pierre rule. It needs to happen. 1455 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,400 No, no, because it shouldn't even be a thing. 1456 01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,920 It's a new year. Who cares what you did last 1457 01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,280 year? Like your world championship 1458 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,440 results shouldn't even count. Oh, the Seahawks, they they win 1459 01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:23,880 the Super Bowl, so we should put them in the playoffs next year. 1460 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,120 It's like, no, we got a new season. 1461 01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:27,640 Just show us what you can do right now. 1462 01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,160 Like what? It's a blank slate. 1463 01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,640 Tabula rasa no Willie Saint Pierre rule. 1464 01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,400 She'll she'll make it the old fashioned way, which is running 1465 01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:41,720 really well in 2026. All right, Well, I don't know. 1466 01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:43,680 I this one hasn't sat well with me. 1467 01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:44,640 I think over the last couple weeks. 1468 01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:45,960 I was thinking about it for some reason. 1469 01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,360 I was like, wait a second, like you've got a lot of work to do. 1470 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,200 I love what you guys think about in your spare time. 1471 01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,040 Have you been watching figure skating this whole time? 1472 01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:58,280 I have what was on the podcast. No, I missed the end of the 1473 01:23:58,280 --> 01:23:59,600 figure skating, tonight's Figure Skating. 1474 01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,120 But but yesterday I was very much watching it. 1475 01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,320 I was in tears. It was brilliant. 1476 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,800 Tears, tears. There, there were some moments. 1477 01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,400 So there was Team USA won the gold medal. 1478 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:15,160 So you'll be pleased to hear that I, I, I, I was, I was, I 1479 01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,320 was rooting for Team Japan. There was some controversial 1480 01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,160 judging going on, but there was drama. 1481 01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,880 There was absolute drama. It should, Team USA should have 1482 01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,800 run away with it, but the Golden Boy, the quad God as he's known, 1483 01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,520 didn't, didn't do so well or didn't do as well. 1484 01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,320 He still came second, but he was expected to win and therefore 1485 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:37,600 USA was down 2 points and it meant that Japan were level with 1486 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,480 the USA going into the final, final event. 1487 01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:42,080 OK. So what made you cry? 1488 01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,520 Oh no, that was Italy getting the home gold medal and this guy 1489 01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,800 who's been injured all season had the skate of his life and 1490 01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,680 won them the bronze medal in this team event. 1491 01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,640 It was so when. Was the last time a track event 1492 01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:00,640 brought you to tears? Oh, oh, I, I, I must admit the 1493 01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,760 IT was in Tokyo. Actually, I think there was. 1494 01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:08,280 There was the. I hope you took your press 1495 01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:09,720 credential off. You're not allowed to have 1496 01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:10,520 tears. I'm. 1497 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,840 Not allowed to have emotions in there. 1498 01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:17,840 No, I think it was. But no, actually, to be fair, I 1499 01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,280 think it was the Olympics, that tathlon, that was that. 1500 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:21,200 Really. Yeah. 1501 01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:22,800 That got to me. Yeah. 1502 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,360 Yeah. Well, if you know the story of 1503 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:29,480 Katrina Johnson Thompson and the heartbreak she had in Tokyo in 1504 01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:35,200 2021, then that was kind of a really special, special moment. 1505 01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:36,320 He's. Choking up right now to. 1506 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,800 Get that to get that, but no, there have been a few races like 1507 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,960 that and a few events like that for what we hear. 1508 01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:49,080 The fact that like the Winter Olympics are on and I don't, I'm 1509 01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,520 not obviously super dialed in like Pre does. 1510 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,160 Is this like, I take this perspective, I go, is this how 1511 01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,000 the majority of the world feels during the Summer Olympics? 1512 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,480 No, I. Don't think I'm like, you know, 1513 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:05,280 every second of my life for 10 days is consumed by what's 1514 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,480 happening on a track and the fact that there's other people 1515 01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:12,640 who are just going on about their lives not dialed in the 1516 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,040 figure skating. I think the Summer Olympics is 1517 01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,760 definitely way bigger than the Winter Olympics, but I think 1518 01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:22,000 there are still a lot of people that get into the Winter 1519 01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,280 Olympics in equal measure, especially if you're from a 1520 01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,720 nation that I think Canada's really into the Winter Olympics 1521 01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,160 because they're really good at winter sports. 1522 01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:33,360 And like Switzerland and Norway and Sweden, like those kind of 1523 01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:34,840 countries are really into the winter. 1524 01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,440 And obviously in Africa, no one cares. 1525 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,560 In Asia, relatively few people care outside of like China. 1526 01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,880 And obviously Russia would care if they were allowed to compete. 1527 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,200 They're allowed a couple of athletes here and there this 1528 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,880 year. But, you know, so there's a 1529 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:55,120 limited group of nations that care about the Winter Olympics 1530 01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,800 just because of the way the sports are and how accessible 1531 01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:59,960 they are. But obviously the Summer 1532 01:26:59,960 --> 01:27:03,800 Olympics, there's a generally a lot more diverse participation, 1533 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,040 which I think then drives that to be much bigger. 1534 01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:10,040 All right, I hear Leisha banging on Kyle's door, and so do. 1535 01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:11,000 You hear that? Yeah. 1536 01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,840 And so, yeah, we got to wrap it up. 1537 01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,680 All right, Kyle, before you go race, you're looking forward to 1538 01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,480 the most this weekend because we've got BU, we've got JDL, 1539 01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:24,360 we've got races in Seattle as well. 1540 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,120 Just, I mean, JDL in general, it's always been a great meet 1541 01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,160 and it's always been a very well funded meet has attracted top 1542 01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:32,480 talent. But I think the one thing that 1543 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:34,120 held people back was the flat track. 1544 01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:38,520 And now that we have a bank, I see this meet really taking off. 1545 01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,400 The next few years, I think it's going to become a staple of 1546 01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,920 American indoor seasons. Mile. 1547 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:45,160 Is that the one you're watching the most? 1548 01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,720 Sure. Yeah, Preet, you race the 1549 01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:49,720 weekend. Well, I'm going to be at the 1550 01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,640 British champs. I'm going to be looking forward 1551 01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,000 to that 800 meters Keely opening a season. 1552 01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,680 But yeah, there there's actually a lot of the top stars are going 1553 01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,360 to be at British Champs. So quite it's probably the most 1554 01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,440 stacked British indoor champs in in years, which is which is 1555 01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:04,600 really good to see because I think they forced people to come 1556 01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,600 to it to qualify for wild indoors. 1557 01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,680 So that I'm looking forward to. When you callate Barcelona half 1558 01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,840 marathon and you sponsor Nike, we still don't have an elite 1559 01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,000 start list. So we still don't know if Jacob 1560 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,040 Kaplima is running, but I assume they would have announced it by 1561 01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,680 now if he was. Did they invite him? 1562 01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,480 Yeah, the the the mayor of Barcelona called him up and 1563 01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:29,520 said, you've been invited. And then for me, my races, I'm 1564 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,080 looking forward to the most this weekend. 1565 01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:34,600 It's Doris Levingold trying to take back that 5K record. 1566 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:40,400 And then Jane, I mean, sub 420 would put that NCAA mile record 1567 01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:44,400 pretty out of reach. So yeah, I'm excited for those. 1568 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,440 So lots happening this weekend. Stay tuned to the Cities Mac 1569 01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:51,280 Channels for all updates. And that does it for this week 1570 01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,920 in track and field. The triumvirate managed to get 1571 01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,160 together for this one, so we're hoping to do this bit more often 1572 01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,880 and we'll see you guys next week. 1573 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:03,880 All right, that's a wrap on today's episode. 1574 01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,840 Thanks for listening for the time, the curiosity, and for 1575 01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,600 making this show part of your routine or your run. 1576 01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,920 A big thanks to our producer Jasmine Fair and to everyone 1577 01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,960 behind the scenes who helps make the Sidious Mag podcast happen. 1578 01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:18,360 So you enjoyed today's episode. A quick five star review on 1579 01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:22,240 Apple Podcast or Spotify helps people find this show and we 1580 01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,120 read every single one. You can find 1581 01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,960 muchmoretrackandfieldcoverage@sidiousmag.com and you can follow along across 1582 01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,520 all of Sidiousmag's social channels. 1583 01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,880 We'll see you next time. Thanks again for listening.