1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:06,640 Hello there this is Obi Wan the right Obi Wan, the dog Obi Wan 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:14,080 and this is most things Kenobi. I have a bad feeling about this. 3 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,480 Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a 4 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,360 podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars. 5 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,520 I'm your host, Lauren. And I'm your host, Leanne. 6 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,360 You know, sometimes it feels difficult for me to say my own 7 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,640 name. Do you ever have that problem? 8 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,160 It's always awkward when I say it. 9 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Yeah. Who am I? 10 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,160 Who are you? I don't know. 11 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:52,480 I can say your way. Leanne is easy. 12 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,960 Lauren is like, I can't even get my mouth around my own name. 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,760 It's fucking weird. Anyway, my name is Lauren. 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,800 That didn't come out bad. Yeah, try mine. 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,840 My name is Leanne your Your name is way easier to say for me. 16 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,320 All right, all right. Welcome to the show everyone. 17 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,520 What a great way to start. You never know with us. 18 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,160 You know it's a mixed bag in these parts here. 19 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,560 You could call us like the Trail Mix podcast of Star Wars. 20 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,400 Sometimes it's a chocolate morsel, sometimes it's a cashew. 21 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:43,120 But it's always delicious. And filling OK anyway, what is? 22 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,640 This I don't know, but clearly we need each other today. 23 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,400 This has been a tough day. Very happy to be here and to 24 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,440 talk about what the Jedi code this time. 25 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,240 Yes, we are going to try and poke holes in the Jedi Code. 26 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,680 If you haven't listened to the last episode, you might want to 27 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,000 start there. You don't have to, but it might 28 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,600 get you a little oriented to what we're talking about today. 29 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,440 Last time we tried to defend the Sith code, and this time we're 30 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,960 going to poke holes in the Jedi code. 31 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,280 And I have to tell you, I'm in a bad mood and this is going to be 32 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:22,000 easy. Yes, well, line by line we'll 33 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,800 get to feel it out and see where we're at because we're both in 34 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:30,160 fine moods today. Actually, this podcast is our 35 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,320 bright spot and we always say it and it really is though. 36 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,280 That's true. It like no, no exaggeration. 37 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,080 It really is. All right, let's criticize some 38 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,960 Jedi. Let's do it. 39 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 I'm ready. Listen, last episode was 40 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,080 difficult. Yeah, that was challenging. 41 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,760 Yes, it was. We found ourselves constantly 42 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,120 trying to defend the Jedi or the Sith Code and constantly saying 43 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,920 this is a bunch of bullshit. You know, just coming back 44 00:02:57,920 --> 00:02:59,880 around to what we've always felt about it. 45 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,400 So let's see if we do the same with this code. 46 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,000 This one, though, this one I don't know. 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,840 All right, we got to put on our our masks. 48 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,720 Jedi masks or our Sith masks? Yeah. 49 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Yeah, our our anti anti anti. We're just gonna devil's 50 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,800 advocate poking holes looking for loopholes, right? 51 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,000 Yeah, yes. OK. 52 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,120 OK. All right. 53 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,160 First line There is no emotion, there is peace. 54 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,680 Wrong. Yeah, fuck that shit. 55 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,200 You're off to a great start. Right now, I'm sorry but emotion 56 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,200 is a normal part of being a human being and any therapist 57 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,600 will tell you the more you repress your emotion, yes, 58 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:50,320 unhealthier you'll be. Honest to God, and the reason 59 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:55,040 why I said false is I don't know that it's healthy to say there 60 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,840 is no emotion. Perhaps, maybe there is control 61 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,360 of emotion. Yes, yes, yeah. 62 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,400 Really, if you feel through something, you really sit with 63 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,120 it, you honor it and you give it a name and you let it go. 64 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,480 That's when you find peace. So I don't know that no emotion, 65 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,240 quote UN quote is the correct terminology here, or phrasing. 66 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,600 I don't know what you'd call it. But I totally agree with you. 67 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,480 Yeah, I don't know. I feel like this code is for 68 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,560 people who have already achieved Jedi status and have control. 69 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,600 That's brilliant. Yeah, maybe. 70 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,760 It's not really fair for just a regular initiate. 71 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,840 Maybe with me, like I don't, I don't know how this works. 72 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:44,600 How is there no emotion? Because even Obi Wan's a great 73 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,800 example. He is a very excellent Jedi and 74 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:54,640 he always says the right thing. But you can tell he has emotion. 75 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:01,240 He's just not expressing it. And ultimately, I think he ends 76 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:08,640 up serving the Council rather than the actual Jedi ideals or 77 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,360 the actual Force. So yeah, I think this is setting 78 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,040 you off on a very unhealthy foundation. 79 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,920 And and. Maybe it's just the semantics of 80 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,920 the wording, but it doesn't feel good to me. 81 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,080 You remember the last episode how we both agreed that the Sith 82 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,920 code was kind of a step ladder? Yes? 83 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:36,400 I find that the Jedi code is a reminder to Jedi's to the Jedi, 84 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,560 not plural the Jedi. I think you could say it either 85 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,480 way. Jedi, Moose, Jedi and Jedi's I. 86 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:51,120 Think, OK, well, broccoli or broccoli, asparagus or asparagi. 87 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,720 The thing is, I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying. 88 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:03,920 I do think that this code, I'm sorry, I do think that this code 89 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:09,000 is a kind of a cold reminder of like, don't have any emotion. 90 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:12,200 You must remain peaceful, you know, and then on and on and on. 91 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,560 Yeah, I agree with you. But it's unhealthy. 92 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,400 It's unhealthy like you said. Yeah, it. 93 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,080 Feels more like someone wagging their finger at you than the 94 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,160 Sith code. It has. 95 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,080 It has that flavor, yeah. Yeah. 96 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,880 Do you remember the Sith code also was like me, me, me, I, I, 97 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,760 I and there really is none of that in here. 98 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,960 I like that about the Jedi code. Yeah. 99 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,080 It's an overarching kind of theme to live by, I guess. 100 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,600 Yeah. And they're not saying you 101 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,600 should not have emotion. You should not have, you know, 102 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,240 any of that. It's yeah. 103 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,560 In that sense, it feels more a code to live by. 104 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,320 But I can totally see why the Sith would say this is just a 105 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,640 bunch of BS. Peace is a lie, Yeah, I mean. 106 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,320 Yes, which we talked about last time. 107 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,800 That like peace really kind of feels like a fallacy, except for 108 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,480 personal peace, right? Again, we, I think we kind of 109 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,040 mentioned Buddhism maybe in the last episode, maybe I don't 110 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,800 remember, but they also like Stoicism. 111 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,080 Actually I'll I'll use Stoicism instead. 112 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Yes, let's do Stoicism, which. I have to say modern ideas of 113 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,760 Stoicism are often misunderstood. 114 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,960 People are like, I agree, you don't feel anything and just Oh 115 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,720 well, life happens. That's not what like Marcus 116 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,840 Aurelius. Stoicism is very different from 117 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,640 what people like to say it is now. 118 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:41,160 But it's, it's not that you have no response, like Oh well fuck 119 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,200 it all. It's that you realize you can't 120 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,560 impact anything really other than your reaction to something. 121 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,880 And so in that case, instead of letting emotions rule you, you 122 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,320 would acknowledge them and then try to control them for your own 123 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,760 inner peace. That makes sense to me, but I'm 124 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,560 not sure. I guess that's, I guess that's 125 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,120 what the Jedi mean, right? Yes, when I think of the Jedi 126 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,080 that come to mind, they all felt something. 127 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,400 They all had emotions. Geez, Luke did and Qui Gon Mace, 128 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,920 what's up? Mace? 129 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,960 He was pretty emotional and he was lacking emotion when he 130 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,120 should have had some, you know. So I mean, I guess there's again 131 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,160 a balance. You don't want to turn into 132 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,039 Anakin. Luminara kind of comes to mind 133 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:34,600 for me for this first. One. 134 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. She had too much peace, too 135 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,320 little emotion, too much peace. Yeah, and maybe that makes her a 136 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,520 good Jedi, but ultimately it let her kind of be willing to 137 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,680 sacrifice before it was necessary. 138 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,960 Right. Yeah, totally agree. 139 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:55,480 All right, well, the next line. Do you want to read the next 140 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,560 line? Yes, there is no ignorance, 141 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,840 there is knowledge. I like this one. 142 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,200 This one makes me laugh a little bit because who says there's no 143 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,200 ignorance? There's ignorance, there's 144 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,080 ignorance in the absence of knowledge, but the ignorance is 145 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,960 still present. You don't know what you don't 146 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,640 know. That's correct. 147 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:27,000 So what are they implying here? That you must gain knowledge. 148 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,080 None of these lines like lead into the next one. 149 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,640 They're individual thoughts. Yeah, whereas the Sith was like 150 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,320 building each one would build off to the next one. 151 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,400 This one's difficult. OK, so it kind of brings to mind 152 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,480 that Mark Twain quote about travel being the antidote to 153 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,240 ignorance or something like that. 154 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,200 OK. And the only cure for ignorance 155 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,840 is to seek knowledge. But that's not what this says. 156 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:04,760 Is this referring to experience? Good question. 157 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,680 Are you reliant on your master to teach you everything so that 158 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:12,600 you're not ignorant? Let's let's take the example of 159 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,160 Ahsoka. She was taught many things by 160 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,280 both Obi Wan and Anakin and she honestly succeeded and thanked 161 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,920 Anakin for the knowledge that he bestowed upon her. 162 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:29,400 But again, she didn't know that she would have to use certain 163 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,440 parts until she was stranded on that with the rest of those. 164 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,440 It was like young Chewy and young, you know, when she was on 165 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,640 that island. Yes, yes, yes, The Hunt or 166 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,360 whatever it was. Yeah, yeah, that one. 167 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,440 And that was like a really great moment between her and Anakin 168 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:46,880 because she had the knowledge to endure and get out of that 169 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,280 situation. And then as we see her mature 170 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,840 and leave the Order, she has a lot of knowledge. 171 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,800 But I I don't understand the no ignorance, the word no. 172 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,440 I have a problem with in every single one of these lines. 173 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,320 It's too harsh A delineation. There has to be room for 174 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,720 humanity. Well, the the problem is, is 175 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,720 aren't we trying to seek balance? 176 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,920 And when you say there is no emotion, there is peace. 177 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,960 That means there's no between. There's no Gray space. 178 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,680 Yeah, I'm looking up the formal definition of ignorance. 179 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,400 Oh, let's go. What's this say? 180 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:26,200 To be ignorant is destitute of knowledge or education, lacking 181 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,520 comprehension of a specified thing. 182 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:36,400 So train in the temple and gain thy knowledge. 183 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,240 I mean, isn't there a better way of saying this that just like 184 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,680 always be learning, know that you don't always know 185 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:46,080 everything? That's a much better way of 186 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,320 phrasing it, I mean. This implies that if you go to 187 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,160 school, you'll never be ignorant. 188 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Of course you'll have areas in your life where you're ignorant. 189 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,000 You can't possibly know everything. 190 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,240 What's that phrase? You can't ask a fish to fly. 191 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,320 You'll always be disappointed. But it's he doesn't know how, 192 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,800 he's not capable. You can't ask of someone what 193 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,680 they don't know how to do. So I don't know. 194 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,640 Stupid. This is weird. 195 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:19,680 Next line. Did you have an accent on that? 196 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,480 Kind of. It did like a Staten Island. 197 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,160 Yeah, I get. You know, when I was a little 198 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,560 kid, I had a speech impediment and I sounded like I was from 199 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:30,960 New York. It was kind of from New York, 200 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,840 but wow. Oh, one of those. 201 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,640 Oh yeah, OK. That's where your vowels are all 202 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,720 like really wide. Yeah, it got better at school 203 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,520 but comes through every now. That's cute. 204 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,640 All right, the next line is there is no passion, there is 205 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,720 serenity. Well, passions mentioned in the 206 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,600 Sith code there is only passion I believe, right? 207 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,440 Something like that, yeah. Something there is no peace, 208 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,520 only passion or some shit. Something like that. 209 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,600 I know we're just, we're not talking about. 210 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,920 Yeah, well, The thing is, is that there is passion, but 211 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,320 they're telling the Jedi they must not be passionate. 212 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,200 You must be serene. Just as so counterintuitive to 213 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,880 being a human being. That's the problem I'm having 214 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,520 with this. Maybe as you get older and I've 215 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,000 noticed this for myself, maybe you've noticed it for yourself, 216 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,560 your passions like your obsession or your excitement 217 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,280 gets tempered a little bit. It does. 218 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,880 But there's, there's still stuff that I, I like to feel 219 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,680 passionate about things. And I think we talked about this 220 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:40,160 in the last episode. The passion in and of itself is 221 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,200 not bad. Mm hmm. 222 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:49,400 So passion and serenity, I think both things are important to 223 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,920 feel at some points in your life. 224 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,800 Now, maybe when you get older or become a better Jedi, you stop 225 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,320 feeling passion. But I mean, from a marketing 226 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,640 perspective, if you're the Jedi Council, wouldn't you want some 227 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,840 passion in the people who practice your ways so that they 228 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,360 want to keep truly the order going? 229 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:17,120 Too much passing because I mean. But The thing is, these are so 230 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,440 fucking polarizing. Yes. 231 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,080 They're too polarizing. There is an in between, you 232 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,840 know? Well, listen. 233 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,600 OK, OK, Let me back this up. Let me back this up. 234 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,760 Think like a Jedi for two seconds. 235 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,960 Very hard. Through knowledge, you become 236 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,920 more serene because you just said it yourself. 237 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,160 The older we get, the more kind of wise we get. 238 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:46,560 We're less, you know, zero to 60, you know, like we used to 239 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,160 be. Whether that's because we're 240 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:53,120 perpetually exhausted or if it's because we learned a thing or 241 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,160 two. You could connect the two. 242 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,440 Knowledge and serenity and a little bit of peace thrown in 243 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,720 there. I'm way more at peace now with 244 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,240 myself than I ever have been my entire life. 245 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,360 That can only come from some experience, because through 246 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,320 lived experience you gain more knowledge about yourself. 247 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,880 OK, now I'm defending it God damn it. 248 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,880 Well, then I get it. If you're like, say you react to 249 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,120 a situation hot, headedly, passionately, that's not good. 250 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,280 You want to react to something with serenity and calm. 251 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,800 And so in that regard, I get it. But yeah, like you said, it's 252 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,920 very polarizing. You learn a thing or two about 253 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,080 maybe I shouldn't act that way. I'm going to react this way or 254 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,160 not react, but kind of act this one. 255 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,560 I'm going to breathe first before I act. 256 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,840 That's, that's knowledge. That's not being ignorant 257 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,600 anymore of how to kind of temper your passion and your emotion. 258 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,520 I guess. See, I'm now I'm working 259 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,880 backwards just like I did with the Sith code, but I'm having 260 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,480 more trouble with this one than the Sith. 261 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,480 The Sith. The Sith was kind of a clear 262 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,640 path. This is, like you said, a finger 263 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,480 pointing exercise. You better not be ignorant, 264 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:13,320 better not feel. Passion, or else you get to the 265 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:18,200 Citadel. Damn it, Jedi. 266 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,720 The next one is there is no chaos, there is harmony. 267 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,360 Now we could get into the chaos theory, but I'm not going to do 268 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:32,480 that today. This feels like the same 269 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,640 sentiment as the previous line. True. 270 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,000 Serenity harmony. Harmony is a little more towards 271 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,400 balance cause harmony means like equal on both sides so to. 272 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:50,280 Speak. Chaos is like what they mean in 273 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,320 my opinion by passion, cause passion like you and I said 274 00:16:54,320 --> 00:17:00,320 doesn't need to be bad thing. But chaos, OK, that is not 275 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,720 great. I'm picturing chaos as disorder, 276 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,760 maybe of the mind, perhaps in practice of using the Force. 277 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,400 When you're chaotic, you're not. You're not gathered. 278 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,760 You're not tethered. Think of mall versus Obi Wan, if 279 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,760 you will. Yes. 280 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,920 That's a great example. There's one who's very chaotic 281 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:25,880 and there's one who's very not. And the minute that Obi Wan gets 282 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,200 a little chaotic with his bam bam bam, you know, just whacking 283 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,520 and throwing the lightsaber and losing his control, he's off his 284 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,640 balance, right? So when I think of that, he he 285 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,440 was getting a little into the chaos realm, but then like 286 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,520 regathered himself and found harmony in the fight, which is 287 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,360 what he does best, right? The yeah, the beautiful dance of 288 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:47,920 it all. Am I defending this against son 289 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,880 of I can't I, I bounce, I, I go back and forth and I'm going to 290 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,160 keep doing this. It's two sides to one coin. 291 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,320 You can't have peace without getting through the emotion. 292 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,360 You can't gain knowledge without first being ignorant. 293 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,880 You can't become serene without doing something about the 294 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,080 passion. It's, it's a balance, right? 295 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,840 Yeah. Again, the word no is very 296 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,880 limiting. Yes, yeah. 297 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,520 I think it's really more about, for the lack of a better word, 298 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,960 conquering the negative state that they list first. 299 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,720 Mm Hmm. Mm hmm. 300 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,320 Like you've said, we've all felt chaotic and you still will 301 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,040 throughout times in your life. I don't think there's ever a 302 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,640 person who could permanently achieve perfect harmony forever. 303 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,000 Unless you're the Buddha, you know, like. 304 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,440 Yeah, truly. We as humans can feel a state 305 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:48,480 and learn that state of peace or serenity, but you will slip out 306 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,320 of it because of daily life, at least in our modern lives. 307 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,840 Maybe the Jedi, it's easier 'cause they have, you know, the 308 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,480 room of 1000 fountains they can dance into. 309 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,160 Whenever they feel chaotic, they can go meditate. 310 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,080 Wish I had that. Or a fountain I would. 311 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,400 Love, 1000 Fountains. Me too. 312 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,360 Are there really 1000 fountains in there? 313 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:10,840 I always wanted to know. Is there a therapist behind 314 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,400 hiding behind any of them? Still looking for that therapist 315 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,000 in the Jedi Temple? Yeah, they need it. 316 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,960 They now that you've said that, this makes this feels a little 317 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,120 better for me, but I I still agree with you with the word no 318 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:27,600 is. Think of a youngling. 319 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,800 Yeah. Think, think of them when they 320 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,560 are a little passionate or they're ignorant to the lesson 321 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,200 or they're a little chaotic and they're not perfectly doing the 322 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,520 balance of whatever is, you know, balancing rocks or 323 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,280 fighting with us. You know how that in the 324 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,440 acolyte, they were teaching those younglings and they were 325 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,480 all had their sticks and they were doing it in perfect unison 326 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,280 of everyone like a dance. Imagine a little youngling who's 327 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:58,240 learning and feels inadequate because Oh no, they had a little 328 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,080 bit of chaos or they felt a little bit too passionate about 329 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,080 something. They're going to think they're 330 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,600 bad, that they're wrong, that they're not good enough. 331 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,880 Yeah. And that's, I don't know that 332 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,440 that's great. It's it's like guaranteed to 333 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,560 give people a guilt complex to phrase things this way, yeah. 334 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,720 Now is peace, knowledge, serenity and harmony goals to 335 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,040 achieve? Absolutely. 336 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,960 But to say there is no ABCDI, don't know. 337 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,840 Yeah, 'cause every day is a, you know, rainbows and unicorns, 338 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,560 you're gonna have days where you feel like shit, but if you're 339 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,240 well practiced, you'll be able to help yourself, you know, 340 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:44,240 regain the state of serenity or whatever that comes with self 341 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,160 knowledge and patience. A shit ton of patience and. 342 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,440 Where's that on here? Yeah, it's not at all. 343 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,360 And children need to learn that perfection is not possible. 344 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:05,520 But doing your best to remember to step out of the chaos if you 345 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,040 can. But I don't know how to, you 346 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,720 know, if you're making a, a code, you can't say now do your 347 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,600 children all written out. Remember to step out of chaos if 348 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,560 you can. It's wordy, I get it. 349 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,680 That's why I think this has to be like a reminder code for 350 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,640 established Jedi. Yeah. 351 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,960 I just don't know that it's appropriate for anyone who isn't 352 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,360 established, honestly. We're sending teenagers out to 353 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,840 war in the Republic. Are they going to remember all 354 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,560 this? I mean, I understand that it's a 355 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,200 test for them that they have to remember these and practice 356 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,400 these while they're out. But like, if you're overseeing 357 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,440 thousands of clones, I don't know if I'd remember all these 358 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,400 at once. Maybe that's the trick. 359 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,600 I don't know. I'd have to have a CHEAT SHEET 360 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,320 somewhere so I don't forget. Oh, put it on your hand. 361 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,000 Oh. Oh, put it. 362 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,880 Slip a piece of paper inside your lightsaber and pull it out 363 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,080 at the base. Be like, OK, And there's no 364 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:04,880 motion. There's peace. 365 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,840 There's no ignorance. OK, got it. 366 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:07,960 Put it back in. Let's go. 367 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,960 Totally would work. I can imagine. 368 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,240 Oh. My God. 369 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,640 Flash cards. Jedi flash cards. 370 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,720 I want some, it'd be fun. All right, well, you want to 371 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,120 read the last. There is no death. 372 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,640 There is the force. Now. 373 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,280 Come on. Hold. 374 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,120 Hold on. What? 375 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,680 What? What are you talking about? 376 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:39,680 I know we're playing devil's advocate. 377 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,680 I know what they're talking about. 378 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,680 But like, what? What do you mean there's no 379 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,120 death? Are they saying I know what 380 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:49,960 they're saying? What are they trying to convey 381 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,440 here? Don't worry about death. 382 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,480 There is only the force. And through the force you will 383 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,840 become one with what? From where you came? 384 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,080 Is this to comfort someone to like rush in to war with 1000 385 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,200 clones and don't worry about what happened? 386 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,400 Like why are we telling people that there is no death? 387 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,680 And why is the force the answer? I I need more? 388 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,320 Well, they did not know at this time Force Ghost was possible. 389 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,160 Yeah. The wills I'm trying. 390 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,000 To not think of that. Oh yeah, the wills are all over 391 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000 this. Yeah, and they, from what I 392 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000 understand, the Jedi did not believe in an afterlife, so to 393 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,560 speak, but they believed in you reconnecting with, is it the 394 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,080 cosmic force 'cause there's two, you know, there's two kinds of 395 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,600 force. And so when you die, your energy 396 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:43,080 joins, rejoins the Force. So like, you know, ashes to 397 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,120 ashes, so to speak, energy to energy. 398 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:46,880 I I get that. I get that, yeah. 399 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,800 You still die. They did not believe in 400 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:55,280 preserved consciousness. So then what is death if not 401 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,680 that? Now if we think of Obi Wan 402 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,560 coming to his death with Vader in episode 4, he seemed pretty 403 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,560 peaceful and he welcomed death because he would be more 404 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,600 powerful than you'll ever imagine. 405 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,160 And this that the other but we know about the force ghosts. 406 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,320 And we've talked about this before that when that movie was 407 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,960 written, did did they know Force Ghosts were coming and Empire 408 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,680 Strikes Back? Because they didn't even know 409 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,000 that movie was going to get greenlit at the time that A New 410 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:30,960 Hope. Was, I know. 411 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,320 We talked about that with James, didn't we? 412 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,640 We did. Yeah, Yeah. 413 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,520 Because as as a kid, I remember when Obi Wan joins the force, 414 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,080 whatever, I remember just being like what just happened. 415 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,760 Yeah, yeah. But he does give that line of 416 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,000 strike me down, you know, and well. 417 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:51,880 I guess he does talk to Luke later, you know, trust the 418 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,680 Force, Luke, you know, at the end. 419 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,200 That was pretty good. Pretty good. 420 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:04,320 I mean, it's true, I guess. I guess again, I'm displeased at 421 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,640 the word no, because obviously there's death, but the opposite 422 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,120 of death is not the force. So this is misleading, at least 423 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:14,400 in my opinion. The opposite of death is not the 424 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,920 force. One death is a normal part of of 425 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,400 cycles. So does that make it part of the 426 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,000 force then? Yeah. 427 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,360 You would have to accept the death in order to do that. 428 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,920 So the the the phrase there is no death is again no. 429 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,360 Yeah. And even in nature, when things 430 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:33,920 die, there's rebirth. Yeah. 431 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,800 Even if you believe that, you know, the body dies, there would 432 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,680 still be some part of the cycle that either comes back or gets 433 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,640 regenerated or whatever. I don't know, Just it's, it's 434 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,520 too simplified, I think, considering how complex we know 435 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,360 the wills and the midichlorians and all this other shit that's 436 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:59,080 that's part of Star Wars now, to say there is no death, there's 437 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,360 only the Force. It's like like you said, I need 438 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:04,840 more information. Well I know, and not only that, 439 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,160 but not every Jedi dies and becomes one with the force. 440 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,040 No, some just straight up die and their bodies just stay 441 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,680 there. Where's Ben Solo? 442 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,680 We don't know. We still don't know. 443 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,760 Yeah. You think he gave the ultimate 444 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,800 sacrifice that he didn't turn into a forest ghost? 445 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,040 So what are we doing? I don't know. 446 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,960 Yeah. And Qui Gon gets burned on the 447 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,000 pyre. So we know that the body doesn't 448 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,560 prevent, you know, and like, you know, there was that whole 449 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,240 controversy of he appears as a Force ghost in the Kenobi 450 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,480 series. And like he said in Clone Wars 451 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,080 that he did not know how to do that. 452 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,200 Yes. Sam Whitworth argues that he's 453 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,200 had time to train in the afterlife, which I think is 454 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,640 funny, but. Well, what? 455 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,840 Whatever Sam says. Yeah, I'm here for. 456 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,520 Sam Sam is in charge, so. Sam knows a thing or two. 457 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,240 Yeah, he's a walking encyclopedia. 458 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,040 He really is and, and we could. I mean, there's nothing saying 459 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,720 he didn't train in the afterlife, so if I can't find an 460 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,080 excuse or a reason saying he didn't, I can't roll it out. 461 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,360 OK, so peace, knowledge, serenity, harmony, the force. 462 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,840 Those bolded words I totally get. 463 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,800 Yeah. All beautiful traits of a well 464 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,400 skilled and knowledgeable Jedi. Yeah, but other business. 465 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,200 What would we say in place of this to make this better? 466 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,200 It can't be. There is no right, There is no 467 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,520 emotion, there is no ignorance because it's denying something 468 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,920 that does exist one way or another. 469 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,800 And it and the idea I think that they're going for is not to deny 470 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:58,680 it, but to learn control over yourself so that you achieve 471 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,040 peace, knowledge, serenity. Blah blah blah. 472 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,720 Here's how I would write it. When there is strong emotion, 473 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,520 seek peace. When there is ignorance, seek 474 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,320 knowledge. Where there is passion, seek 475 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,200 serenity. When there is chaos, seek 476 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,920 harmony. And when there is death, seek 477 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,520 the force. Yeah, I like that actually. 478 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,320 That leaves open the fact that everyone may experience strong 479 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,960 emotion or ignorance or passion, etcetera, etcetera, and it is 480 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:36,080 your duty as a Jedi to seek out these key bolded things that 481 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,280 make a Jedi a Jedi. I love that. 482 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,000 That's brilliant. OK, Jedi. 483 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,880 Just a thought. You need to hire Leanne to 484 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,440 rewrite your code. Peace is a lie, bitch. 485 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,360 That would be first on the Sith. So here I'm a little more 486 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,920 gentle. I think the I think the Sith 487 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,040 would appreciate my rewriting. I think the Jedi would 488 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,960 appreciate it as well. I think so too. 489 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,680 You make it more accessible and more Yes, it's gentler, but not 490 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,120 weaker. It allows for you to be 491 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,000 imperfect and still be striving to be a better person. 492 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,560 Whereas this gives you like no wiggle room. 493 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,640 As it's written, it's a very. You there is only this, there's 494 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,040 none of this, there's only that. Like, I know they don't say 495 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,440 there's only, but it's the implication of that. 496 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:32,600 And despite all of this, I think a proper Jedi would seek these 497 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,600 things throughout his career, throughout his life, throughout 498 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,480 his, as soon as he's graduated, he or she, I shouldn't just say 499 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:45,000 he, but like the the collective Jedi, as soon as they reach a 500 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,240 level, their job then is to seek out these things and always try 501 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,200 to improve upon them because there is no perfection, which 502 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,880 you mentioned earlier. Yep. 503 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,480 And you as a master is your job to teach your paddle on the 504 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:04,520 skills to achieve what's listed in this code, precisely because 505 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,720 this is not the kind of stuff you're born knowing intuitively. 506 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,080 You need to be taught how to control your mind and your 507 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,560 thoughts. And that is a big and it's a big 508 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,520 deficit, I think a lot of us feel. 509 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,800 Absolutely. That's a lifelong thing where 510 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,960 you're reminded over and over and over and over again because 511 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,480 it never stops. There's always going to be 512 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,760 emotion. There's only you're always going 513 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,240 to be ignorant of something. I like this needs improvement. 514 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:38,320 C Minus. You know what I mean, though? 515 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,480 It's like, it's like, it's OK, we can work with it. 516 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,320 Yeah, could be better. I love you so. 517 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:59,400 Much join us back for our next episode where we we were gifted 518 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,920 a little book by one of our dearest friends of the podcast 519 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,440 and patron, Ben. Shout out to Ben. 520 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,480 Hi, Ben. We decided to take that gift and 521 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,440 turn it into an episode and the gift, the book is be more Obi 522 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,520 Wan or be more like Obi Wan, and it's in the series of like be 523 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,800 more like Leia, be more like loose. 524 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,400 So we're going to go through that book and see what it takes 525 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,840 to be more Obi Wan and list all the ways that we will inevitably 526 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,720 fail and trying to be more like Obi Wan. 527 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,480 Right away, the beard. We just can't do the beard. 528 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,360 First and foremost, the hair. Get it out of the way. 529 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,800 Facial hair and head of hair is just not going to happen here. 530 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Not happening, but we're going to go through that like the 531 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,560 highlights of the book. It's not a very long book. 532 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,400 It's a very cute book, but it's got some good Nuggets in there 533 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,360 that we're going to talk about. So join us back here. 534 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,920 We're going back to Obi Wan next episode. 535 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,560 Last week we discussed whether or not the Sith Code had it 536 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,000 rights and we got a lovely comment from our listener and 537 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,160 patron Tara. Tara said it's nice that unlike 538 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,800 so many other YouTube channels and podcasts, both of you 539 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,480 actually have real discourse about these topics. 540 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,880 It's so refreshing. That's very nice. 541 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,400 Thank you, Tara. Yeah, I think I and I wrote this 542 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,120 to her. Like we, we respect the 543 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,920 material. We really do like very genuinely 544 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,440 find it fun and interesting to talk about this stuff and laugh 545 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,400 at the same time. But. 546 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,520 Oh, for sure. You and I both have a good mix 547 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,600 of critical like analytical brain, technical brain and 548 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,360 creative brain. So I think you. 549 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,280 And I. That's why we love talking about 550 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,880 this stuff together so much. Honestly, I wouldn't want to 551 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,680 talk about it with anyone else, no. 552 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,000 Thank you. And thank you Tara. 553 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,960 Tara's spot on. On so many things she digs into 554 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,760 stuff, so it's nice to hear that she enjoys when we do the same. 555 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,680 Absolutely, totally agree with you. 556 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,560 Thanks, Tara. Well, thank you so much for 557 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,000 joining us here on the Most Things Kenobi podcast. 558 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,960 If you'd like to support the podcast by becoming a patron, 559 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,960 head over to The Most Things Kenobi Patreon. 560 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,240 You can also interact with us on our social media platforms, 561 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,680 Tumblr, Instagram, YouTube, and Threads. 562 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,880 And don't forget to subscribe on your favorite podcast player. 563 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,520 If you enjoyed the podcast, feel free to rate US on Spotify and 564 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,960 Apple. 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