1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,520 What is good, people? Welcome to the Light Minds 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,880 podcast. Today's episode I'm joined by 3 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,320 Steve Gordon, a kettlebell athlete, strength conditioning 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,880 coach, and owner of his own gym for nearly 17 years. 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,120 But before all of that, Steve was a 19 year old boy getting 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,520 into trouble, about to become a dad, and facing the reality of 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,200 what his decisions have caused him. 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,640 That part of his life has shaped everything he does today and the 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,720 man that he's become. It's a great example of how the 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,800 journey to success is sometimes a bit messy. 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,000 It's a little bit turbulent, but you can choose to turn it around 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,280 if you make that decision. If you haven't already, I'd love 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,840 for you to either comment, share, or subscribe to the show. 14 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:41,880 I want this platform to be a hub for men sharing their stories 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,880 and being living examples of how you can turn shit around no 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:45,920 matter what you're going through. 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,720 There are so many great examples out there and so many great 18 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,320 stories just like this one. I don't want to share it as much 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,040 as I can, but without further ado, please welcome Steve. 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,880 Steve, welcome to the podcast. How are we doing? 21 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,280 You all right? I'm doing very well. 22 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,400 How are you? Yeah, not bad, not bad at all. 23 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,680 Good stuff, looking forward to this conversation. 24 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,120 I get started with every episode asking my guests what is a like 25 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,680 minded person to you? So what sort of traits or 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,560 characteristics would someone that's like minded be for you? 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:20,120 So. Someone who's willing to sort of 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,280 take on other bits of information, learn from as many 29 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:28,400 people as possible, except that they don't know everything and 30 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,560 that's actually a good thing, and seek constantly seeking out 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,600 questions and answers from people that they don't always 32 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,720 agree with but respect their opinion, you know. 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,800 So yeah, I'd probably say that's probably what I would say a like 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:45,880 minded person is. Do you know? 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,520 Nice. I think I needed someone to 36 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,800 scream that in my face when I was younger that I don't have 37 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,560 all the answers and I don't know everything as much as I would 38 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:58,240 turn around and say that I do. For the people who don't know 39 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,360 you, haven't seen your stuff before, a little bit of a 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,560 background story of of who you are and what you do. 41 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,720 Yeah, so I'm a kettlebell sport athlete and coach. 42 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,720 People won't even know what kettlebell sport is, but 43 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,080 basically it's an Olympic weightlifting, the endurance 44 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,320 form using kettlebells. I've been coaching that specific 45 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:22,600 sport for over 14 years now. Alongside that, I'm a strength 46 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,640 and conditioning coach working with various different sports, 47 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:29,880 various different athletes. And this all came about and I 48 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,360 always put an emphasis on the word coach because I think that 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,840 is a title that has to be earned and it's a calling. 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,760 It's when you get a degree in strength and conditioning, it 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,320 doesn't say BSE in a strength and conditioning coach. 52 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,720 It just says BSE in strength and conditioning. 53 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,920 The same as when you do any sort of accreditation or whatever it 54 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:54,280 may be. Very few times it says coach and 55 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,960 I think the reason why I ended up on that path was various 56 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:01,360 things that happened throughout my life. 57 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,600 So I just wanted to make emphasise that that that coach 58 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,160 aspect for me. But based in the northeast, 59 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,640 Darlington in between kind of Middlesbrough and and Newcastle. 60 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:16,200 So way up there where it's constantly cold, constantly 61 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,440 raining. But the band is always strong, 62 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,040 it's always good. And like I say, coaching is 63 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,160 something that I do on a daily basis. 64 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,280 It's something I'm highly passionate about and I had a 65 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,320 conversation with my 16 year old daughter at the weekend and 66 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,000 she's actually gone into coaching through swimming and 67 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,480 she was telling me some of the things that she does with her 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,320 her group. And it made me smile because it 69 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,320 made me realise that she has listened over the years. 70 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,240 She'll probably never admit some of the ideas and the things that 71 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,960 she uses alike from me, but it was just really cool to hear it 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,560 asking oh, I use this and I use this in my sessions. 73 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,160 I'm like, yeah, because I've been using that with you. 74 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,360 And your. From day one do you know so 75 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,520 which is really really cool which hit me back but yeah 76 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,520 kettlebell sport coach and athlete for for over for 14 77 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:17,240 years now and I've had my own gym in the Northeast for 1617 78 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,640 years now time flies when you're having fun I suppose yeah for. 79 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:22,880 Sure. What is your What is your 80 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:28,520 definition of coach? Coach is somebody who can help 81 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,560 guide somebody to the right answers, whatever problem that 82 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,440 is that they are facing. So obviously you have specialist 83 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,720 coaches who obviously mine is within sport, but very much a 84 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,480 lot of the time coaching is helping somebody find the right 85 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,840 answers. And that's very different to 86 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:51,040 somebody who's like a mentor, who's giving you the specific 87 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,040 knowledge of like, right, we're going to do this. 88 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,680 And if you do this, you will get this, you will get that. 89 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,200 Now, obviously coaching and mentoring the the kind of blend 90 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,960 because when you're teaching someone, for example, the 91 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,640 athletes, you teach them how to do a lift or whatever it may be. 92 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,720 But the thing on the back end, the conversation on the back end 93 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,680 is coaching them to understand why they're doing it, why they 94 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,800 need to give it their absolute 100% effort and how this is 95 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,400 going to have an impact on their journey and their life and their 96 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,160 goal that they want to achieve. So that's what's, that's what 97 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,400 kind of a coach is to me. Somebody will guide you to the 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,320 answers that you're searching within your own journey, you 99 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,280 know. Yeah, I always used to say when 100 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:35,640 I was doing personal training that it was a partnership, not a 101 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,520 dictatorship. I don't know where I heard that 102 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,880 from. I probably should go and try and 103 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,480 Fact Check it somewhere, but I had Lewis Potts on the podcast 104 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,640 and he his his OPSO was about coaching very passionate. 105 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,560 He literally gave him a little bit always the, the the term 106 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,400 give someone a bit of rope and they just ran with it probably 107 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,280 butchered that. But yeah, he is very passionate 108 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:57,840 about coaching. And he was essentially saying 109 00:05:57,840 --> 00:05:59,760 that most people today are just like instructors that 110 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:02,000 instructors, they're just telling people what to do. 111 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,520 Like you said there with the mentorship, it's like, do this, 112 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,640 get this result. And do you feel like coaching is 113 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,920 kind of a, a dying art where we've got AI now where everyone 114 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,040 can just kind of get the information, just be told? 115 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:19,520 Yeah, and, and I think the, The thing is, is we've, we've, we've 116 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,560 got information overload, obviously AI, ChatGPT, whatever, 117 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:29,760 whatever platform you're using, they've kind of taken the step 118 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,400 away of, of learning the why behind things, you know, and 119 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,760 because people want answers quickly. 120 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,440 But as we all know, every overnight success has a decade 121 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,240 of work in front of them. And but that's the beauty of the 122 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,680 process. A coach will always know that 123 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,320 some pitfalls are coming and they're going to help you get 124 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,560 over them when they arrive. But people want to go from A to 125 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,440 B very, very quickly. Whereas a coach will help you 126 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,440 will be there and navigate and help you get round the path. 127 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,960 And because people are so used to getting things at the drop of 128 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,840 a hat, whether that be takeaways, whether that be, you 129 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:10,320 know, information on their phone, whatever it may be, 130 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,200 everything is 100 mile an hour now. 131 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,240 It's the appreciation for the process. 132 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,440 And I I find that's probably one of the most challenging things I 133 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:27,280 have with my youth athletes now is educating them on, listen, 134 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,960 it's going to be tough. Like you're going to fail, 135 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,000 you're going to have challenges, you're going to have setbacks, 136 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,160 but that is completely normal, you know, and sometimes you have 137 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,760 to just embrace that failure to get through to the other side 138 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,920 because the failures are what presents the lessons. 139 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,480 Because if it's all easy, then you're not actually growing. 140 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,920 And I find them they, they really struggle with that and 141 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,800 they really struggle with the questioning around, oh, why are 142 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,960 you doing this? Why are you doing that? 143 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,360 I don't know. I just, I just am, I just just 144 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:06,080 am, you know, very much because even in school now, because 145 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,040 everybody school, school system in the UK, obviously we know 146 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:14,040 measured on GCSEs and pass fails, bandwidths and stuff like 147 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,560 that, grading criteria, it's very much they're taught how to 148 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,680 pass an exam. So if you follow this, you will 149 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:28,600 get this outcome and that's great in a linear world, but as 150 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,760 we know, it's not a linear world and actually not every kid will 151 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,400 respond very well to that. So they really struggle when you 152 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,440 start coaching them and, and sort of going, well, why do you 153 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,840 think that happened? What do you knowing what you 154 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,520 know now? What could you do differently? 155 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,280 That great question I get asked regularly. 156 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:51,080 And, and they really struggle with that because they, they 157 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,680 just, they almost want you. Well, just tell me what to do. 158 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,520 And I, I always refrain from doing that because I don't want 159 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,120 to rob somebody of the aha moment, the penny drop moment 160 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,120 of, oh, that's why that happened. 161 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,680 Because if I rob somebody of that, I rob them of the, the 162 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:12,200 lessons that are going to move them forward when these things 163 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,120 come back up again. Because that's what for me, 164 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,400 sport is the last one of the last things that we have in 165 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,840 teaching kids safely about the how difficult life is. 166 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,600 You know, in sport you have to become a good communicator, even 167 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,000 if that's just listening, you know, you have to read the room, 168 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,440 you have to turn up regularly. You have to go through stuff 169 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,040 that is not enjoyable. It kind of embrace the circ, if 170 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,400 you will. You will often do things over 171 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,120 long periods and not get the feet, not get the results you 172 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,520 want, but you've just got to keep showing up. 173 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,080 Like all these little lessons that we learn in sport and 174 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:59,880 physical activity is one of the last things that I think is 175 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,000 still readily available where we can teach kids about failure, 176 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:09,120 etcetera, in a safe environment because they don't really get 177 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,840 that anywhere else in my opinion. 178 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,120 And what I'm, I'm seeing within schools and et cetera, et 179 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,320 cetera, day-to-day life, because everything's quite safe and 180 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,760 controlled. Rightly so. 181 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:24,280 We want to keep kids safe, but there's no exposure to the, what 182 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,000 happens when, when it hits the fan, how are you going to handle 183 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,040 that? And we see, I see kids now they 184 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,240 get to 1718 and adversity comes and they don't know what to do. 185 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,520 Whereas sport is one of those things that teaches you how to 186 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,760 handle adversity when it comes your way. 187 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,600 It's that adapt, you've got to overcome, you've got to move 188 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,080 around, what happens, etcetera, etcetera. 189 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,640 So I'm very passionate about the sport aspect and especially with 190 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,560 the youth of today. And it's not necessarily doing a 191 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:57,320 team sport or anything like that. 192 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,000 Kettlebell sport is very much a solo sport, but also just the 193 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,800 gym environment. You know, you get a kid who just 194 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,720 wants to get stronger on bench press and squats and stuff like 195 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:08,800 that. It's like, mate, you've got to 196 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,920 turn up and you won't PB every session. 197 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,080 Sometimes you're just going to have to do some boring stuff, 198 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,320 some mobility, you're going to have to do some rehab. 199 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,680 If you get injured, you're going to have to eat right, you can 200 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:21,280 have to sleep right. All these little micro lessons 201 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,520 that transcend other areas of life. 202 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,920 I think it's very, very important, you know, And if I 203 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,560 can coach people on that and helping people, then it does 204 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:33,800 have a great success. Then that's what I'm in it for, 205 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,320 you know? Yeah, I think kids are now being 206 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,600 conditioned to not learn those lessons through sport or just 207 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,560 generally through being outside. It's it's where. 208 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,040 So a couple of thoughts that were going from my mom when 209 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,360 you're talking about that was the idea of like social media, 210 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,200 everything's online, everything's quick, everything's 211 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,280 like dopamine in order to get the positive feedback that they 212 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,800 want or overcome the the obstacle that they're trying to 213 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,120 overcome. It's like that. 214 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,160 It's a scroll away, it's a video away. 215 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,200 It's something to kind of satisfy their need. 216 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,480 So that's like one part of it. And then the second part of it 217 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,040 is related to the first where they're so hooked on the social 218 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,360 media aspect that they're now not going outside and they're 219 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,600 not going to the sports clubs. They're not taking up the 220 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,440 sports, but they're not actually just going outside to almost 221 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,760 like play. And I feel like even that would 222 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,880 give you a bit of a, a feedback loop as to don't go and do this, 223 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,360 don't speak to the stranger this way because they might like try 224 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,160 and do something to you or whatever, like all these kind of 225 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,680 random things. And it's kind of removing the 226 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,640 aspect, like you said there in sports where you have to go and 227 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,760 like play the long game where you can put in all the work that 228 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,280 you want and still not get the result. 229 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,640 And yeah, I think I think it's just a a movement that needs to 230 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,920 be spoken about a lot more. I had Stephen Kinzeler on the 231 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,080 podcast to him. He does a lot of mindset stuff. 232 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:57,080 Is that what's what you do as well with? 233 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,280 Like working with kids mindset. No so well, very much 234 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,400 subliminally it's not something that'll go around and target. 235 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,120 It's it's very much of it just happens in conversations and 236 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,040 stuff. So a perfect example, one of my 237 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,280 young, young athletes, Izzy, she's she's a phenomenal 238 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,720 footballer. I've been coaching her for good 239 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,080 few years now and she's she's on, she's on the pathway doing 240 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,560 some great stuff for the national set up and, and playing 241 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:28,640 up. And it's always been a 242 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,440 challenge. And it's simple things like when 243 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,400 I'm coaching through a SNC session, it's very much of A 244 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,520 how's it going, how you're handling it? 245 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,800 What can you do differently? I, I didn't like being played in 246 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,000 this position. I don't get it. 247 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,040 I don't. But how can you make that your 248 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,760 advantage? Because ultimately the goal of 249 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:54,200 football is how can you have the biggest impact on the team? 250 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,480 How can you have the biggest impact on those around her? 251 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,760 And again, that was that penny drop moment of I might not be 252 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,640 playing in my preferred position, but I can still have a 253 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,240 massive impact on those around me and that team because I want 254 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,640 that drive to succeed and I want to win. 255 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,200 So if the team wins, I win, right? 256 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:18,720 You know, and, and very much managing injuries around that. 257 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,840 What is it an opportunity? What is the injury? 258 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,800 Is it if it's feedback, it's feedback on what maybe we need 259 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,000 to scale back, we need to recover harder than we're 260 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,400 training. That's when the nutrition stuff 261 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,040 comes in and stuff like so very much when stuff happens, whether 262 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,920 that be an injury, you know, illness, school, stress, 263 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,640 whatever it may be, it's always asking about those questions on 264 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,840 how we're going to get over it. Because we can sit and we can 265 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,120 complain and we can moan and gripe, etcetera, etcetera. 266 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,720 And sometimes you need that. Sometimes you just need to get 267 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,320 it out there. But if you don't have a plan of 268 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,640 how you're going to come overcome that, you're just going 269 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,920 to end up being stuck of just complaining and gripe. 270 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,840 And then now it's going to dictate your mood in that 271 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,720 situation, which is then going to dictate what happens in other 272 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,880 aspects and areas of your life because everything's it's not in 273 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,040 silos, you know, everything's interdependent, all mixes in as 274 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,360 one. So very much rather than like of 275 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,760 Steven does some amazing work and targets that mindset. 276 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,880 My conversations just arrived from the actual training 277 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,240 process, whether that be an SSC session, whether that be a 278 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,280 sports massage or whether that be the the care about sport 279 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,120 training sessions and stuff like that. 280 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,400 It's very much always just trying to have the 281 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,600 conversations. And nine times out of 10, that 282 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,240 always happens with how's your day been? 283 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,440 And then just pausing. And then even when they respond, 284 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,320 I'll just pause and just look at them and I'll go. 285 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,480 You sure? And they're like, yeah, Are you 286 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,440 sure? Yeah. 287 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:54,920 OK then. Right. 288 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,000 You know, and just letting them know that if they need to talk, 289 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,040 if then if they've got something bothering them, you know, they 290 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,920 can open up and we'll overcome it together and we'll try and 291 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,400 find different ways of solving it. 292 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,480 And we always relate it back to the sport because guess what? 293 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,760 The sport already is already giving you the tools. 294 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,000 You know, sometimes, like you have a problem in your house, if 295 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,240 you've got a garage full of tools, you're already halfway 296 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,360 there fixing it, right? You just need to learn how to 297 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,680 fix the problem. Whereas if you don't have the 298 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,000 tools, if you've never learnt anything, I overcome adversity 299 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,680 or whatever it may be, then that's even harder. 300 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,200 That's going to prolong the problem. 301 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,480 Then you're going to go out and you find these tools and you 302 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,160 learn and you get it. Then I need to apply that to the 303 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,440 problem, you know? So very much like that's what I 304 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,280 always try and do, link it back to the sport because I've got a 305 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,920 reference point of, Oh yeah, I remember when I did that, how 306 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,720 can I take that into this problem that I'm facing now? 307 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:55,760 So yeah, that's the way I kind of work and it's having some 308 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,360 good fun. We're having some good successes 309 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,240 and I enjoy it. And I'm enjoying being able to 310 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,319 say to the kids like, listen, I've made all the mistakes under 311 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:06,000 the sun. Everything that you're saying to 312 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,960 me right now I have. I'm just a little bit further 313 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,480 down the path. I've made all the mistakes. 314 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,280 Just don't make the mistake. Same mistakes I did. 315 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,000 Or if you do, this is what this is going to help. 316 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,599 This is going to be the situation. 317 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:21,720 This is going to be the outcome. So what? 318 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:23,720 What's LED you into what you're doing now? 319 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,359 Where's all this interest and mindset come from? 320 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,560 So I, I've sort of traced this back in like 2015, I was exposed 321 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:37,160 to kind of personal development. It sounds so fluffy, doesn't it? 322 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,520 But yeah, very much like it's not about the sets and reps My, 323 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,440 my, one of my mentors within strength and conditioning and 324 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,280 coaches was Brendan Chaplin. And he exposed me to the, the, 325 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,760 the phrase, it's not about the sets and reps. 326 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,080 So what he meant by that is you could have the best programme in 327 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,680 the world, but it's the conversations, it's the grey 328 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,480 area and everything else that happens. 329 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,120 That's what makes a programme successful, you know, and we'll 330 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:07,840 look at any successful sports teams and they all talk about 331 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,400 culture, you know, they all talk about being all his worn and 332 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,440 coherence, etcetera, etcetera. So on that journey, I reflected 333 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,320 back and go, why am I so passionate about this? 334 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,240 Why do I want to learn this coaching? 335 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,800 Why do I want to sink into this? Because it just made sense and 336 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,840 it highlighted that through key areas of my life, there's always 337 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:36,240 been a a male role model who has helped me in some form or 338 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,160 another. So if I go back to secondary 339 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:44,520 school, you know, typical 1314 year old lad, confused, don't 340 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,640 even know what's going on. You've got all of this energy. 341 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,440 It typically shows itself as anger and moodiness, etcetera, 342 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,800 etcetera. Everything's changing. 343 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,400 What's going on? I'm no longer a kid. 344 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,080 I want to be an adult. I want to be trapped like an 345 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,240 adult, even though being an adult sucks at times. 346 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,960 But you don't know that. You want to know. 347 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,320 Yeah. And I'm big, I'm strong, I'm 348 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,520 tough and all of that. And then it was my physics 349 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,440 teacher. And this guy was like, built 350 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,640 like a wardrobe. Like huge guy. 351 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,080 Do you know Mr Wardle and great guy? 352 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,120 And he encouraged me because I was one of these guys that was I 353 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,640 acted like the class clown or acted like I didn't care. 354 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,840 I was like too cool for school. And all it was was I was scared 355 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,680 to get something wrong. So if I act like an idiot and 356 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,400 I'm like, oh, I don't care. I don't care. 357 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,240 I'll get I'll either get chucked out the class or I'll just get 358 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,760 left to it. But at least I won't be wrong. 359 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,200 At least people won't be looking at me for getting something 360 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,280 wrong. That's all it was. 361 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,000 It was a fear of being wrong. And he he encouraged me to start 362 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,560 going to the gym and then I did. And over the six weeks holiday, 363 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,200 you know, the, you know, the good old days was when you just 364 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:03,000 six weeks and you know, I would go to the gym like twice a day. 365 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,400 And it was an old school bodybuilders type gym and there 366 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,560 was nothing but great blokes in there just lifting old school, 367 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,960 you know, clanging and banging type stuff. 368 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,640 And. I came back and I was like a 369 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,200 different person. He was like, see, I told you 370 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,600 this is what happens when you channel your energy into 371 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,680 something. And then halfway through year 372 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,840 11, I stopped going to the gym and I started getting angry. 373 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,480 I started getting this pent up energy again and stuff like 374 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,080 that. And he pulled me at one side. 375 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,560 He said, you haven't been to the gym, have you? 376 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,680 He was like, I was like, no, he's like, you can tell. 377 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,000 He said you just you've got all this energy and you're not 378 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,600 directing it anywhere. And then the person who's losing 379 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,720 out is you. This is who it's costing. 380 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,960 It's not if I, if you don't go to the gym, it's not affecting 381 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,600 me, It's affecting you. And I remember I didn't act upon 382 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,640 a time, there was a time when they were saying, right, Stee, 383 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,880 you got to do single science and single science and said, oh, 384 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,360 that double science was basically the higher grade. 385 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,520 And the teacher came, one of the head of departments came and 386 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,400 said, we're dropping you down. And then Mr Wald turned around 387 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,000 and was like, Are you sure you want to do that? 388 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,200 I was like, well, what's the difference? 389 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:20,160 He was like the teacher who came in was like, well, one's an hour 390 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,600 paper, I think, or an hour 15. The other one's a 2 hour paper. 391 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:29,320 Like give me the one hour 15, you know, like, but it was that 392 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,920 look of like, mate, you're wasting potential. 393 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:39,760 You've chose the easy option and that's just not what you're 394 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,680 about. You know, he didn't, he didn't 395 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,840 say that. But I just, looking back, I was 396 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,720 like, Nah, that was it. And it, it happened. 397 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,280 I ended up coasting through year 11 because I wasn't challenged, 398 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:52,200 because I took the easy options. You know, I remember maths say, 399 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,120 well, you sit there and finish all my work within 10 minutes 400 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,720 and the teacher was like, do your work. 401 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,680 I was like, I have, and I would just like, and that stopped me 402 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,560 getting a higher grade and stuff like that. 403 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,240 But I, I chose the easy option and, and that was like a little 404 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,640 bit of a, a theme. And then later in life, you 405 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,760 know, started discovering, oh, I can go out on a weekend and I 406 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,080 can get drunk and I can go to the football and I can surround 407 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,480 myself with like minded individuals who were really just 408 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,960 living for the weekend, going out, looking away, venting and 409 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,960 running away from something. Or just, you know, getting 410 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,080 sucked up into the, the party lifestyle, going to football 411 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,840 matches. And I discovered that at like 412 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,480 1516. And that was my then life of 413 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,800 like 5-6 years. I was going through a building 414 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,320 apprenticeship just about to qualify. 415 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,480 My mate said, oh, get a job at ALDI warehouse, it pays £13.00 416 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,480 an hour. Within six months left before I 417 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,000 finished my apprenticeship, I dropped out and just went and 418 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,240 worked in a warehouse. You know, that short term gain, 419 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,240 long term pain type stuff. Still going out on the weekend 420 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,840 and partying. And but when I was in the 421 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,960 warehouse, I got introduced to a guy, real nice guy, Charlie, and 422 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,240 he was a Thai boxer and he was like, why didn't you come along? 423 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,680 I'm like, yeah, cool. You know, everybody thinks 424 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,840 they're hard done. They're at like 19. 425 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,400 You know, I punch punch bags. I punch pads. 426 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,680 Yeah, I'm the hardest man in the room, that kind of thing. 427 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,560 So I was like, yeah, yeah, I want to look to do something. 428 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:34,800 So I went along there and I remember it was like a dark like 429 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,040 October night. You know, it was also always 430 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,360 raining. It's dark by like 5:00, 431 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,800 miserable, you know, might be like November time, you know, 432 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,800 just grim. I remember driving there, 433 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,080 introduced me to his friend. We're driving there in the van 434 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,360 and I walked in and then just got assaulted by this smell of 435 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:57,120 Thai oil like Dean Pete. But like, wow, waking into like 436 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:01,520 smelling salts, this freezing cold gym and it was in a little 437 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,560 rundown industrial estate. And then they introduced me to 438 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:12,040 the coach and this guy came out with the biggest smile on his 439 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,800 face and was just like shook my hand and, you know, shook my 440 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,680 hand and then hugged me at the same time. 441 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,920 The first time I've ever met him and was just instantly like just 442 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,160 made me feel good. And he was warm, welcoming. 443 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,760 It was like, you know, just like being accepting to one of the 444 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,280 family and stuff. And then all of these other 445 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,800 individuals were coming in different backgrounds. 446 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,760 People were, some people were accountants, some people worked 447 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,440 in warehouse, some people mechanics and students, 448 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,040 teachers, etcetera, etcetera. And we're all in this place and 449 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,840 we're all just running laps around the mats and then we're 450 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,600 warming up, warming up, warming up. 451 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:55,880 And I never, I never forget that moment because that was when 452 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,160 Paul made me realise that you can have a direct impact on how 453 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,640 someone's feeling purely by your presence. 454 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,000 And I was like, that is ridiculously cool. 455 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,160 That is, that is like a superpower. 456 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,960 Like you should be able to like buy that, you know what I mean? 457 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,320 Ish that out. So I started Thai boxing and I 458 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,560 was loving it. I was loving it. 459 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,480 And I was sort of in that transition of going into that 460 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,480 lifestyle, but still living the old lifestyle of going out on a 461 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,040 weekend, getting to Friday, spending your wages, taking 462 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,840 drugs. And then that led me into a path 463 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,080 of selling drugs. And you know, just in that 464 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,400 cycle, because what people don't, what people don't think 465 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,960 of is when you get caught in that cycle, it's kind of rinse 466 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,920 and repeat, especially when you start kind of selling drugs. 467 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,000 The level I was, it wasn't a lot, you know, it basically 468 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,480 would pay for my nights out. But once you do your first one, 469 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,400 you typically don't sell it all you owe, you owe your dealer. 470 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,560 So then you caught the cycle of just paying to make a bit of 471 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,240 money, but you caught in that cycle and cycling cycle. 472 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:14,160 And when I was caught in that cycle, I ended up selling to 473 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,360 undercover police. I didn't, I didn't know at the 474 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,440 time on three separate occasions. 475 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:25,280 So but then I'd I'd left that lifestyle and I was like, I'm 476 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,160 tie boxing's great. I love it. 477 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,200 Training, I was stopped going out and stuff like that. 478 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,960 And I was like, Paul's amazing. I want to be like that, that 479 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,840 bloke there. I just love being around him. 480 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,400 I was, I was addicted. I loved it. 481 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,040 And then I remember I was just about to go to work one day. 482 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,880 It was like half five in the morning, 6:00 in the morning, I 483 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,280 come out of my apartment on my bike and I remember I looked 484 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,800 over, there was this Vauxhall Zafira people carrier and there 485 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,320 was like 5 or 6 people sat in. It was like one of those seven 486 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,480 seat things and all these blokes just got out and I'm like, 487 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,040 what's going on here? You know, I was either going to 488 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,120 take a big kick in or something was going to happen. 489 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,760 So they grabbed all the bike, grabbed all the my wrist and 490 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,640 said, Stephen Gordon's like, yeah, you're under arrest for 491 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,000 suspicion of supply Class A. And like, at that moment, my 492 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:23,560 heart sank because I was also becoming to going to be a dad as 493 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,520 well. So I found out that Nevada's mum 494 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,720 was pregnant at that time. So that that accelerated the 495 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,840 shift, you know, from that lifestyle. 496 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,120 But then I was brought back to it, brought back right back into 497 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:39,720 it, you know, and that was like a real kick in the gut. 498 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,240 And, you know, they searched the house, you know, obviously 499 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,320 didn't find anything or whatever it may be and what have you. 500 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,960 So I had to go through all of that situation. 501 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,320 But I still kept training, still kept, kept going, still kept my 502 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,680 passion, love for it and stuff. And then, yeah, so many lessons. 503 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,920 I could, there's so many different ways I could divert 504 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,520 that, but and then obviously we'll, we'll come back to that. 505 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,760 But then I, I started doing fitness qualifications because I 506 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,000 was like, right, if you're going to do something, this is, this 507 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,240 was a warning from above or this was a course correction from 508 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,440 above. You know, whatever people want 509 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,400 to say about whether it's circumstance or whatever, I 510 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,200 truly believe somebody was like, listen, you are not destined for 511 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,040 this life. You might have found your 512 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,800 passion through Thai boxing and whatever it may be, but you're 513 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,320 still going to work in a warehouse, you're still working 514 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,640 that job which you're destined for something. 515 00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,160 So I believe it was a course correction. 516 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,200 And in that time I started learning how to become APT and 517 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,800 getting my fitness qualifications and stuff like 518 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,360 that. And that all, all was down to 519 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,360 the impact that Paul had had on me of how you doing made me feel 520 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,520 amazed. And I was like, if I could make 521 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,240 people feel like that for as long as I'm living, if I could 522 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,280 be 1% of that, that's pretty cool, you know? 523 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,600 So that's the very long way of yeah, so good. 524 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,880 A great coach had an impact on me and that's what got me so 525 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,800 passionate about it, you know? Nice. 526 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,560 There's a lot of questions I've got here. 527 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,960 So I've got, I'll start from the beginning. 528 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,520 Where, what was the chip on the shoulder kind of like when you 529 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,800 were younger in school, you were saying, quite angry. 530 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,120 Where? Where was that all coming from? 531 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:31,240 And like I say, I think it was more just an identity crisis. 532 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,720 I think crisis probably not the right word. 533 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:41,040 Just not really knowing who I was, you know, and like a fear 534 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:47,120 of not fitting in or a fear of because, you know, it's like, 535 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,840 oh, what you're going to do when you leave school. 536 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,640 They start that at such a young age. 537 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,920 What? No, I just wanted to hang out 538 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,040 with my mates. I don't know what what you mean. 539 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,960 And as you get older, obviously your body's gone through all 540 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,880 these physiological changes as well. 541 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,200 So you actually hormones are flying through. 542 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,520 But it's always this conflict of you've changed from being a kid 543 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,400 with no real worries. And then people are like, oh, 544 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,800 you're an adult now, you know, even though you're not or you 545 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,680 want to be spoken to like an adult. 546 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,200 So people speak to you like you're an adult, but you've 547 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,280 never been shown anything. You automatically you've gone 548 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,760 from being a kid. Oh, it's just a kid to getting 549 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,760 judged by adult standards because you act like an adult. 550 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,520 You want to be spoken to like an adult, but nobody's shown you 551 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,000 how to be an adult. And I, I've caught myself doing 552 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,760 this many a time. You know, it's like when I say 553 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,920 to my daughter, like, why you, why you filling the dishwasher 554 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,160 up this way? Why you doing this? 555 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,680 It's like, you've never shown her. 556 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,480 Do you know what I mean? I'm, I'm judging her by my 557 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,640 standards, but I've never shown her how to act in that moment. 558 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,800 So who's in the wrong? It's obviously me. 559 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,760 And I think that's the thing, a lot of a lot of adults speak to 560 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,760 kids and teenagers specifically. They're like, OK, I'll meet them 561 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,760 where they're at. So then they get judged by an 562 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,480 adult standards. And I think that's where a lot 563 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,960 of it came from. You know, I want you, you want 564 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,320 to feel like you know everything. 565 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,200 All my answers are right and everything else like that. 566 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,960 But you don't know anything. You don't you had never 567 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,800 experienced it. And it all comes down to I just, 568 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,280 I don't want to get anything wrong. 569 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,600 I don't want to look stupid. So I'll act big and tough and 570 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,920 push people away and all this kind of stuff because I don't 571 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,520 want to get exposed that I don't know what I'm doing, you know, 572 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,360 And I think that's where a lot of it came from. 573 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,320 I didn't really know what I was meant to do, how I was meant to 574 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240 act in certain situations and stuff like that. 575 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:51,240 And but also, I think every kid will go through this, but you're 576 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,880 also just learning your way, you know, you're making mistakes in 577 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,840 a safe environment, IE school. Yeah, you can this, this bad 578 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,880 things that can happen. But realistically, if you jumped 579 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,480 in, spoke to any of my school friends from back then, they 580 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,000 probably wouldn't remember half the stuff I did, you know, if I 581 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,680 were not, do you remember that time that I did this? 582 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,160 I'd be like, no, but in my mind, it's the worst thing in the 583 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,360 world, you know what I mean? But at that time, like, you 584 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,760 know, and I think that's, that's a lot of it's fear. 585 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,720 And whenever, whenever you feel afraid, what do you do? 586 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,440 You show emotion, right? And if you feel fearful, you've 587 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,680 either got to do 1 things. You can either run away and 588 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,400 hide, or you can act big and tough and have that bravado and 589 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,760 stuff like that. And that's your protective 590 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,680 mechanism. And I think that's where a lot 591 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,520 of it came from, you know? It's like a vicious cycle 592 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,600 really, because at that age, I mean, it depends on person to 593 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,560 person, but you kind of like form your own view of the world 594 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,440 or like you said there, if no one's shown you how to do 595 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,240 something, then you figure out how to do it yourself. 596 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,040 And well, if I've told, if I've figured out this, then I can 597 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,920 figure out anything. And then you kind of, if you're 598 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,600 not checked early on in life, that grows and grows and grows 599 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,760 and grows and grows. And that's me talking from like 600 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,640 my own life experience. I for a series of events, 601 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,840 probably from about age of 17, I felt very detached from like 602 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,440 parents, from like friends and everything. 603 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,160 I was just kind of figuring out myself. 604 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,040 I wouldn't like talk to anyone. I would just kind of like make 605 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,560 the mistakes. And someone said, don't do this. 606 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,880 I'd be like, fuck off. Like, what do you know? 607 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,280 And I just kind of figured these things out myself without 608 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,080 actually realising. I was digging myself into a 609 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,120 deeper and deeper and deeper hole because everything that I 610 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,960 thought about the world was inherently wrong. 611 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,600 But yeah, I just grew this chip on my shoulder like more and 612 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,080 more and more. So it's it's kind of a like a 613 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,280 dangerous playing field to get into. 614 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,120 Yeah. And I think ultimately if we 615 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,760 look at like human psychology and motivation and stuff, like 616 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,640 one of the biggest things in, in motivation and self 617 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,240 determination theory is autonomy, right? 618 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,720 So if that's a basic like psychological need is autonomy. 619 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,640 It's like I want control, so I won't control. 620 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,320 Even if I'm wrong, at least I'm wrong on my terms. 621 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,440 You know, a human being like doesn't want, nobody ever wants 622 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,719 to be told the wrong. You know, my missus tells me I'm 623 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,960 wrong a lot and I can categorically say I hate it, but 624 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,719 you're always right. But I hate being told I'm wrong. 625 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,920 But like, so as a kid, you always want to be right and 626 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,800 that's why you're trying to get the last word. 627 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,800 Even if I'm wrong, I'll still be right. 628 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,920 Even if I'm going to make this decision, it's my decision. 629 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,560 You can't take anything away from me. 630 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,960 This is my decision, even if it's the wrong 1. 631 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,840 And I think ultimately always, again, that comes back to that 632 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,400 aggression because I'm not confident in my decision, but 633 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,639 it's my decision, so I'm going to make it. 634 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,199 We'll see what happens. And all this is going in your 635 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,679 head, and all of a sudden from the outside, you're just looking 636 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,040 like this cool, calm, you know, aggressive kid who's just acting 637 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,000 like a bit of a Dick, you know? Yeah. 638 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,960 And did the Thai boxing environment kind of break that 639 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,960 down a little bit for you? Did you get called out on that 640 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,760 sort of stuff? Yeah, a little bit obviously got 641 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,680 checked. I mean there's nothing more 642 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,760 humbling than somebody just being able to punch you in the 643 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,800 face and kick you as hard as I want an actor from the females 644 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,520 in the room as well. So. 645 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,880 But I think realistic. One thing that I did learn from 646 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,720 the time of going out and stuff like that is because obviously 647 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,840 that is very hierarchical male. Like when you're going out and 648 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,160 you're living in that environment of going to the pub 649 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,080 and you're getting into fights and stuff like that. 650 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:43,120 That was my like grounding of somebody's going to call you out 651 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,840 on your crap. If they don't like what you say, 652 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,920 they're just going to smash in the face, you know? 653 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,120 And I learned that, but it was tie boxing allowed me to learn 654 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,640 that doesn't have to be the way you can take your aggression and 655 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,720 the things that you don't like in life and you can control it 656 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,200 and you can channel it and you can put it into something 657 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,240 positive because that's all that energy is. 658 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:09,600 Energy is just something it bottles up. 659 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,080 It'll either go in a positive direction or a negative 660 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,360 direction. But energy, it comes from 661 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,120 somewhere, right? And if you don't know how to 662 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,680 channel it, it's, it's going to come out in, in one form or 663 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,120 another. The football times taught me 664 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,040 like, that was like negative energy. 665 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,920 Even though it was like, I thought it was positive. 666 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,480 I thought it was good because I was having like a laugh with my 667 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,760 mates and stuff like that, whatever it may be. 668 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,120 And it was that camaraderie and it was that tribe. 669 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,000 But I was in the wrong tribe, you know, Whereas when I found 670 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,760 Thai boxing, it was channel energy into something positive. 671 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:51,320 It was if you do this, this is the outcome and it's a good 672 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,760 outcome. If you go out on a weekend and 673 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,920 get smashed, you wake up with a hangover, you haven't got a 674 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,600 penny in your pocket and you've just abused your body and you've 675 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,520 actually just put a full stop on any potential that you've just 676 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,640 built up throughout the week. And that's why it's very much 677 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,680 that stop, Start, Stop, start where it's small and tie box 678 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,440 allowed me, if I was able to see the compound effect at first I 679 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,520 couldn't, I couldn't kick, couldn't knee, couldn't punch. 680 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,800 I wasn't mobile enough. But if I kept on coming, I could 681 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,640 kick slightly better, I could punch slightly harder. 682 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,000 I was fitter. I was getting that compound 683 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,880 effect of constantly turning up. Do you know what I mean? 684 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,240 Yeah. And that, that's what that's 685 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:36,880 what I, I sort of really took away from tyre boxing is you've 686 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,320 got potential, you've got energy. 687 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,560 If you channel it into something good, you'll get something good 688 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,600 out of it. Yeah, that whole like weekend 689 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,440 cycle was something I was listening to in a podcast this 690 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,920 morning of like just self sabotaging. 691 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,880 And it's just like, again, I think it links back to what you 692 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,320 mentioned about control. It was like, they've made the 693 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,640 choice of going out and getting drunk. 694 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,360 They've made the choice. So at least then like I've kind 695 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,560 of decided to do that. And without realising that 696 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,640 they're on this like cycle of Monday. 697 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,760 Oh, I've got this dread, I've got this like anxiety. 698 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,560 By the time you get to Thursday, you feel like you're going to 699 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,080 sort your life out. And then it gets to Friday and 700 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,480 you're just like, oh, OK, well, you know what? 701 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,160 I just go back to to doing that thing and it becomes this 702 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,360 constant loop that you sort of never get, never get out of and 703 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,400 and never see the end of. Yeah, and it's because you get 704 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,200 an instant gratification. Obviously this was like 2008 705 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,920 that you know, like pre and obviously social media was 706 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,440 nowhere near the the absolute BMR that it is now. 707 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,640 So your instant gratification was being around other 708 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,880 individuals who were doing the same thing, you know, whether 709 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,520 that'd be like just young lads going out, going to the pub and 710 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,800 socialising. Not saying that was the bad 711 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,000 part. The bad part was being in 712 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,280 someone's kitchen till three, 4:00 in the morning. 713 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,760 Do you know what I mean? Like we could have the good do, 714 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,120 didn't necessarily need the bad, but that the habit and behaviour 715 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,040 was intertwined. There was people that were going 716 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,040 out at the same time as me, weren't getting rid of, weren't 717 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,600 spending hundreds of pounds on drugs, weren't starting to sell 718 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,240 to feed their own habit and their need to go out on the 719 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:10,680 weekend. But I, I made that choice. 720 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,680 It was a choice to go down that path, you know, And that's what 721 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,080 kept me in that that cycle. How long did you go to prison? 722 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,600 Yeah, yeah. So basically part of the 723 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,600 undercover operation. So the undercover police. 724 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,160 And FYI they knew exactly what they were doing so they should. 725 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:36,360 But like you send two good looking female into the dingiest 726 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,640 diviest pubs that you could ever imagine, send them to a group of 727 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:46,240 lads and say hey how you doing? 19 year olds, you know, young, 728 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:51,280 dumb and full of you know what? And like me, any of that what 729 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,000 what's he going to say? What's that 1920 year old going 730 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,680 to say? Of course he can, right. 731 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,720 And at that time I was, I was selling a bit, but like one of 732 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:04,960 my charges, right, was like there was quite a few on this 733 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,200 sheet, but one of them was supplier Class A, right? 734 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:15,240 That was me giving a female officer a line of coke in a bag. 735 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,960 No cash, no cash was exchanged. I gave her it and it weighed no 736 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,360 point. No free. 8 of a gramme. 737 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,600 That was one of my charges of supply. 738 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,320 The other one, I was out in Newcastle. 739 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,560 She called me on the phone, she had my mobile number and she 740 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,760 said hey, I'm going to a party, can you get me this? 741 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,920 It's like I'm in Newcastle at the time. 742 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,600 Yeah, I was drunk at the time and stuff. 743 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,600 Can you give me this? Ah, see what I can do? 744 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,080 Yeah, I should be able to sort you out. 745 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,840 Conspiracy to supply. And then the other times I, I 746 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,480 sold, I sold to the females and I sold them a gramme and the 747 00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:03,120 purity was 8% pure cocaine, 8%. Do you know what I mean? 748 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,600 Like that shouldn't be even legal. 749 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,760 Do you know, like getting drunk on shandy? 750 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,640 And then another time I was really drunk and I sold to two 751 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,680 undercover male police officers and I, I should have known I was 752 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,440 just stupid, but I was drunk and I sold to that. 753 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,880 So in total, the amount of the street value of the cocaine that 754 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,920 I supply was like it's about 100 and over 150 or £175, OK. 755 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,400 And then a few conspiracy supplies because basically they 756 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,040 rang me up, said can you get me some of that? 757 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,000 And I said I'll see what I can do. 758 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,640 Yeah, I should be able to sort you out because it was part of a 759 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,560 big undercover operation. They were trying to target a lot 760 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,160 of the drug dealers in the town, etcetera, etcetera. 761 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,160 They ended up getting minnows like me, you know, they ended up 762 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,880 shoving 2 years, six months up me, which was. 763 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,960 Like insane. You know, because when I first 764 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,200 got caught, I was speaking to people and they're like, ah man, 765 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,840 you're not going down for that. No problem. 766 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,640 No, nothing's going to happen. So for the first three months, 767 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,320 so while this case was going on, I didn't think anything was 768 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,000 going to happen. Slap on the wrist, away you go. 769 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,960 It was only when I went to the, the, the solicitors and he just 770 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,560 looked me and went, you're going down for this. 771 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,160 And I'm like what, 100% you are going down for this. 772 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,120 They've put too much time, resource effort into this 773 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,640 operation. You are going down for it. 774 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,280 It doesn't matter. Look at the look at the law, the 775 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,240 letter of the law you supply Class A, your sentence is this 776 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,120 like, but I've changed my life around, OK, you've done it. 777 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:50,080 So I remember walking for like home from the the solicitors and 778 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:55,840 that was the longest, loneliest, most awful Rd I have ever walked 779 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:01,000 about 15 minutes and I was a wreck because I was like what 780 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,760 the hell, How the hell am I going to. 781 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,440 I'm going to gaol. Yeah, pre and I didn't have any 782 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,960 previous convictions or whatever it may be like I had nothing. 783 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,480 It's like how the hell are you going to gaol? 784 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:17,080 What have you done here? You know, and then they like 785 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,440 obviously that was going in the background, getting the 786 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,240 background. And at the time I'd borrowed a 787 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,480 phone off my mum and dad. This is the worst part of the 788 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,960 full situation. I never want to relive this as 789 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,200 long as I live. But my dad was like, can I have 790 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,760 that phone back? But obviously I got raided. 791 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,280 And when you get raided, they take all of your electronics off 792 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,640 you as they search it and stuff like that. 793 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,200 Funny, sorry on that. They they found I was training 794 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,120 at the time they found a bag of maltodextrin. 795 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,160 Anybody who doesn't know maltodextrin's like glucose. 796 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,880 It's like a fine sugar. The day before the bag split. 797 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:52,920 Wow. I put it in a. 798 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,920 Tupperware tub, right? So a kilo and half of 799 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,640 maltodextrin in a white Tupperware tub, you know, like a 800 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,160 sandwich bag, sandwich box. So it's, it's just on the side. 801 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,960 I'd be in the morning, I took my creatine, I'd have my shake. 802 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,200 I'm off to work, walks in, we've hit the jackpot ear lads. 803 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:16,400 It's like you haven't like. But then they tried to put that 804 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,520 into me in the. Interview and said I was cutting 805 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,560 drugs and stuff like that. But back to the main foot. 806 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,680 I'd borrowed a phone off my dad and he's like, can I have it 807 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,560 back? Can I have it back? 808 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,760 But the police had stolen it. Well, not stolen it. 809 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,960 They'd taken it as evidence. So I couldn't get it back. 810 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,640 And then after a few times of asking, I was like, I'm going to 811 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,400 have to front this up. So I remember walking into my 812 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,280 mum and dad's house, sitting him down and saying, listen, I've 813 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,320 got something to tell you. And I told them, listen, I'm 814 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,520 going to be getting sent to prison for supply of coke. 815 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,680 My dad just got off of the chair, walked outside in the 816 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,280 garden. I don't know if he was just 817 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,600 like, I need to get away from him before I strangle him or 818 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,280 shout at him, or if he was just that disappointed, that upset or 819 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,520 whatever it may be. My mum broke down in tears and 820 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:12,640 that, as I've reflected on it later in life, that lesson right 821 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,880 there was a your actions have consequences on other people, 822 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,400 not just yourself. But that was when I discovered 823 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,160 the ripple effect. You know, if you Chuck a stone 824 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,000 into water, you get the ripple effect. 825 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,080 Well, I had just dropped a almighty ship brick into a pond 826 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:37,120 and I just basically hurt the two people in my life that love 827 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,080 me the most. I've always been there, bent 828 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,920 over backwards to give me a great life. 829 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:45,880 You know, they work their asses off and this is how I repaid 830 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,960 them. Repaid them by saying, yeah, 831 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,320 your son's gone to prison. I know that that lesson will 832 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,320 stick for you and it'll haunt me for forever and a day because it 833 00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:00,160 was awful. But again, it, it, it reminded a 834 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,600 really powerful lesson of your actions have consequences on 835 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,600 other people. So then I went to, went to court 836 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,200 and the, this the barrister was like, right, OK, you've, you've, 837 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,760 you've had a few tie boxing matches. 838 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,600 You know, you've, you've turned your life round you, you're 839 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,880 going to be a dad or yeah, my case got moved before Nevada was 840 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,720 born and then afterwards. So right, yeah, OK, you've got 841 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:28,920 three month old baby and stuff like that. 842 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,320 So it's like right, OK, it got there and it's like not 843 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,040 disregard all of that. You still wreaked misery on 844 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,560 other people by your selfish habits. 845 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:46,160 This was the judge and then gave me the sentence of this runs 846 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,760 concurrent with this. This charge runs concurrent for 847 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,760 this charge runs concurrent. So like I say, it was 2 years, 848 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,000 six months. The six months rank concurrent 849 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,840 for the with the two years for supply. 850 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,440 And I remember just turn around in the dock and going in the 851 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,840 room and just sitting down and just started laughing. 852 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,800 And it was a laugh of like this can't be real. 853 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,120 This can't, this has got to be a joke. 854 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,000 Got to be a joke. No way. 855 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,360 Two years for this 175 quid. I knew guys that had got off 856 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,800 with like kilos and I was like, how the hell is this? 857 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,680 What? So I ended up like sitting down 858 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,680 just laughing like what's going on here? 859 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,440 And then I remember going down under the, the basement where 860 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,880 they lead all the prisoners and stuff and the barrister was 861 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,520 like, well, so that wasn't too bad. 862 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,640 Like what easy for you to say you're on the other side. 863 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,760 Like what was that like? Oh, well, they could have give 864 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,320 you 5 years. All right, nice one. 865 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,920 He's what they could have. He's what you could have won. 866 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,360 But it didn't. So then I had to obviously I 867 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,400 did. I ended up doing nine months 868 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,280 inside because I was unable to get 3 months on licence on tag. 869 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,560 But when I went to prison, that was very much of A right. 870 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,480 You need to adapt to your environment right now. 871 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,320 You need to just be part of the system. 872 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,040 It is what it is. Your life outside is is on hold. 873 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,960 It's stopped. So just adapt to that system. 874 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:18,200 And yeah, and there's still lots of lessons that I learnt from 875 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,560 that. And again, it was just a, a 876 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,240 course correction from a power to power above. 877 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,680 He then gave me some opportunities to say, right, 878 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,400 there's a gym course. He's he's an opportunity to go 879 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,520 and work in the gym. It's a gym orderly, which was 880 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,560 one of the best jobs that you could get in prison. 881 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,200 So I was presented with opportunities and it was up for 882 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,040 me to take those opportunities that were presented to me, even 883 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,160 in a very, very bad situation. So did you say that they put you 884 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,400 on? A gym course in prison? 885 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,640 Yeah. So you. 886 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,720 Prison's one of these weird things. 887 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,040 OK, so people say you're right, you're there to be punished and 888 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,760 you get your freedom take away. But it's great. 889 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,520 There's some fantastic programmes in there if you 890 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,920 integrate with them. If you want to change, you can 891 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,920 change. If you don't, you could just 892 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,960 keep on playing it and you'll go out and you want change and you 893 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,760 want change to come. So I was like, there's no way 894 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,680 I'm coming back here. I've got a three month year old, 895 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,520 my daughter outside, you know what I mean? 896 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,680 I've got a Ben. I'm I'm not coming back here. 897 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,800 So then I was just getting into the gym routine. 898 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,040 Then they put me on like a level 1. 899 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,000 Then there was an opportunity to go on level 2. 900 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,000 I was working in the gym as a gym Audley. 901 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,720 So cleaning the gym, just putting the kit away after the 902 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,760 sessions, playing 5A side football with with roommates and 903 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,960 stuff like that. Quite a privileged position and 904 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,880 spending time with the other like prison officers who were 905 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,200 the, the gym, like the, the gym staff. 906 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:55,040 And again, there was some people there that had had a direct 907 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,240 impact on my life while I was in there as well. 908 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,760 And that was again, opportunities are there if 909 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,440 you're willing to accept them and to make a difference with 910 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,600 them. And that's what I had to do with 911 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,680 with with being in prison, you know, would you say in a weird 912 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,680 way, looking back on it? It's really extreme case, but 913 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,960 like prison was almost the price that you had to pay to put you 914 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,960 on the path that you're on now because it's kind of led you 915 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,240 into the whole gym instructor kind of PT side of things. 100% 916 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,360 and that's why I believe it was. A cost correction. 917 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,080 You know, I, I knew that I was going to be a dad, but I was 918 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:35,000 still just going to work in a warehouse and I knew that I had 919 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,880 potential. And I've always shown potential 920 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,920 from a young age. And it goes back to when that 921 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,400 science teacher had that disapproval look because I chose 922 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,840 the easy option with the types of exams that I did. 923 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,320 So I always knew that I had this potential to do something. 924 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,360 So 100% that's why it happened. Even after I'd changed my life 925 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,200 around going tie box and there was somebody saying you're not 926 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,560 on the right path. You might not be doing that, but 927 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,800 you're still on this path. That's not going to allow you to 928 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,080 have a positive impact, not going to live up to your 929 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,200 potential. So I believe that's why this 930 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,960 this happened. And it allowed me to learn some 931 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,800 important lessons to become a better human being, a better 932 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,120 dad, and get me on that path to helping others that might have 933 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,640 been in a similar situation to myself and teenagers who were 934 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,560 just a little bit lost and that being the vehicle of sport. 935 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,280 What was the number one lesson that you learned from? 936 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,880 That time. There's quite a few there's, 937 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,160 it's very hard to like rank them, but it's very much 938 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,560 opportunities are there if you're willing to accept them. 939 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,800 The lessons are there. There's always lessons to be 940 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,880 learnt no matter what the situation. 941 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,840 There's always positives to be taken from any situation and you 942 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:57,200 just have to be willing to to to look and also you just need to 943 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,080 be willing to accept that it might be a ridiculously small 944 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,880 positive on the grand scheme of things of in that moment. 945 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,120 But focusing on the positive outcome of the opportunities 946 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:13,160 that they're available, that's what might actually help me 947 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,240 further down the line. You know, it's so easy to focus 948 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:16,960 on. This is crap. 949 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,240 This is rubbish, whatever it may be, whatever it may be, and I 950 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:23,840 could have easily got caught in that cycle and I've seen so many 951 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,360 people inside that did. Because I focused on what was 952 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,880 wrong. I was able to focus on what was 953 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,120 in front of me, what was good, and just hold on to that for 954 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,440 dear life, you know, even if it was just small things like being 955 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,080 able to get extra servings from the canteen because I was going 956 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,760 to the gym and I wanted to feed my body with nutrients, you 957 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,840 know. So yeah, that's probably the one 958 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,240 that's always like just constantly seek out 959 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,760 opportunities was probably the biggest thing. 960 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,040 And again, the the ripple effect of my actions have massive 961 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,240 consequences on those. So I can have a chat, choose to 962 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,080 Chuck a ship brick in the water. I can Chuck something good 963 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,920 that's going to have a ripple effect and a positive ripple 964 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,360 effect on those around me. So those are the probably the 965 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,840 key ones that I've probably taken away from that situation. 966 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,160 Nice. How did that lead you into? 967 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:21,040 Kettlebell training so. When I came out, obviously when 968 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,560 you're on licence, you get a nice little fancy ankle 969 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,480 bracelet, which you know, I wouldn't recommend accessorising 970 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,000 with, but you obviously you have to be in the house and then 971 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,720 you're under the probation service. 972 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,440 And what they do is again, if you want to, if you want to get 973 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,640 use the system, use the opportunities that are in front 974 00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,440 of you, you can do it. If you just want to go through 975 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,160 the motions again, you can just turn up to the meetings, say 976 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,640 whatever you want. And then they'll go, I was like, 977 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,480 Nah, if they're going to fund me, they'll they'll fund me for 978 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,400 something. So I was like KET about training 979 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,520 something a bit different. It'll stand out. 980 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,880 They look pretty cool as a, as a tool to use. 981 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,880 So can you fund me on this course? 982 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,640 So they're like, yeah, get us all the details, show us what's 983 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,480 the job opportunities off the back of it. 984 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,920 They funded it. So I was like, right, cool. 985 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,440 So I went on this course, 2 day course, all about like kettle 986 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,160 bell training, so fitness stuff, swings, snatches, squats, et 987 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,680 cetera, et cetera. And the guy mentioned, oh, 988 00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:21,080 there's the sports side of it. It's like, oh, what's that? 989 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,080 It's like, oh, basically you're just doing it for time. 990 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,880 So 10 minutes non-stop snatch. And I was like, I'll give that a 991 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,920 go on Monday. How hard could that be? 992 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,760 Got to 2 1/2 minutes, changed, handed multiple times and 993 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,040 thought, what the Hell's happened here? 994 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,040 This is, this is something like I've never experienced before. 995 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,880 Because at the time I had to come away from Ty Boxing because 996 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,600 I'd become a personal trainer and all my clients were in on an 997 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,560 evening and, and I picked up a gig and I couldn't train Ty 998 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,280 Boxing and I couldn't fight, you know, and if you're trying to 999 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,320 prepare for a fight, you need to be able to train. 1000 00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,400 So I sort of drifted into the, I needed something else to fill 1001 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,680 that void. And then I found the the 1002 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,640 kettlebell sports stuff. And then I just sort of immersed 1003 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,520 myself in that because it was exposed in so many different 1004 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,840 areas. I needed to get stronger. 1005 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,920 I need to get fit, I need to get more mobile. 1006 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,840 I needed to have mental grit and determination. 1007 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,120 And it was something unique. And because it was unique, it 1008 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,600 was something that could be mine. 1009 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,640 You know, it goes back to that autonomy as you have as a young 1010 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,920 kid. You know, I need something 1011 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,240 that's mine because it was so unique and not everyone's doing 1012 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:28,600 it. It's like I can be part of that. 1013 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,960 That's pretty cool. I can stand out from the crowd, 1014 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,200 you know, for doing something different. 1015 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,760 So I sort of immersed myself in the world of kettlebell sport. 1016 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,080 Within nine months, I'd I'd trained with two absolutely 1017 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,360 phenomenal coaches from Russia and then travelled out, flew to 1018 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,080 Saint Petersburg, did two week training camp by myself, 1019 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,920 immersed myself in in that. Anybody who's ever been to 1020 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,280 Russia knows that there's not much because it's a scripted 1021 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,320 like alphabet. So it's not like our alphabet. 1022 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,800 You can't really make head and a tail of what they're saying. 1023 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,280 Nobody really speaks much English. 1024 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,200 Well, they didn't in like 20, 2011, 2012 in Saint Petersburg, 1025 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,240 even though that's one of the most popular places. 1026 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,440 So I was kind of very much all alone when I was out there, but 1027 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,960 I was able to train twice a day and experience that. 1028 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:25,920 And then from that, from me enjoying it and loving it so 1029 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,840 much and being able to travel the world. 1030 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,760 I was like, I want to get other people on this. 1031 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,640 Within like a year of training, I was in competing at the World 1032 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:38,600 Championships in Siberia and Chimena and Russia. 1033 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:45,360 So I was like, I need to teach people this because if I can get 1034 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,840 opportunities to travel the world, I need to get other 1035 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,240 people on board of this because this is really, really cool. 1036 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,240 And I was able to build the gym off the back of it and build a 1037 00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:57,120 reputation and help people get opportunities like what I've got 1038 00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,640 from the sport. And again, that's like, say, 1039 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,520 travelling the world and experiencing lots of different 1040 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,680 things, which has LED us to the the club and what we are today. 1041 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:12,000 We've got kids in the gym from like 10 years old, eleven years 1042 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,400 old, and we've got somebody in the gym who's 66 years old and 1043 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:16,960 they're all doing the same sport. 1044 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,920 They're all competing, they're all going to competitions, world 1045 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,240 champs, European champs, travelling the world. 1046 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:28,520 And that's what's allowing me to step back and go, yeah, this was 1047 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,440 this journey has been well worth it. 1048 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,880 You know, obviously a lot of challenges along the way still, 1049 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:38,080 but from where I was back then to, to where I am now. 1050 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,920 And it's obviously sort of critical to the, the love and 1051 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,480 support I get from from my partner and my family and stuff 1052 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,800 like that, which it wouldn't have happened without those. 1053 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,200 Because they've give me the, the energy and the courage when I've 1054 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,960 needed it to keep pushing forward. 1055 00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,160 And it's been incredible to, to, to be part of, you know, But 1056 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:05,520 yeah, the, the sport itself, I'm still addicted as I was that day 1057 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,960 that I tried that 2 1/2 minutes in the gym and just couldn't 1058 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,680 keep it above my head. I use, I do use heavier weights 1059 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,600 now. I do use 230 twos instead of a 1060 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,800 16K kettlebell. So I haven't just completely 1061 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,360 sucked at this spot for that long. 1062 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:23,240 But yeah, still compete, still travel the world and get a lot 1063 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,760 from it. And seeing other people get as 1064 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,440 much as what I did in the early days from it as well, which is, 1065 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,360 again, it's that ripple effect. My ripple effect is I'm chucking 1066 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,080 A kettlebell into a pond now. I'm letting that that do some 1067 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,560 good stuff and have positive impacts on other people. 1068 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,200 Yeah, it's amazing. It sounds like this whole. 1069 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,640 Journey from start to finish, everything kind of happened in 1070 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,040 the way that it needed to and I think it's quite a good 1071 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,440 representation of what happens. Like what's? 1072 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,200 Happening in the. Moment now may not necessarily 1073 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,680 be what your life's going to look like in 10 years time. 1074 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,000 Should you let it? Like should should you take a 1075 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,480 step back and kind of assess, OK, I'm doing dumb shit at the 1076 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,480 moment, I need to kind of maybe get rid of that or a great 1077 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,880 quote. I can't think about the actual 1078 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,240 quote. It's along the lines of like the 1079 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,000 journey isn't about becoming anything. 1080 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,440 It's about like unbecoming. It's about getting rid of all 1081 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,640 the things that's not you. And I can't remember who said 1082 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,520 it, but it kind of reminds me of that. 1083 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,520 It's like all these little things you had to go through to 1084 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,160 kind of, OK, maybe get rid of that bit, maybe stop doing that. 1085 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,360 And it's LED you onto onto this path now. 1086 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,480 Yeah. And and again. 1087 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,640 It's the one thing that tie boxing taught me of of being 1088 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,200 able. You've got the energy, you can 1089 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,800 channel it into good, you can channel it in the bad because 1090 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,240 you can't have the positive without the negative, right? 1091 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,200 It's impossible. If you have a battery with two 1092 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,920 positives doesn't work right if you try and why your house up 1093 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,160 with just two positives, it's got to go bang. 1094 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,400 Some of it's not going to work right. 1095 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:53,720 So the key thing though is when a negative occurs or how are you 1096 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,640 going to use it to then fuel a positive? 1097 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,840 And that sounds a bit woo woo and it sounds a bit fluffy, but 1098 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,720 that's what tarboxing taught me of just consistently turning up, 1099 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,000 doing something, getting better and better and better. 1100 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,600 And then my coach throughout that, supporting me, having the 1101 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:17,000 impact, making me feel good when I've typically felt probably a 1102 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,480 bit shit about myself, but making me feel good, That's what 1103 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,280 fuelled that desire of life. He's having a massive impact on 1104 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,160 my life. Now if I can do that for someone 1105 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:33,360 else, even if it's in a smaller way, yeah, that'll be a pretty 1106 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,680 damn cool, rewarding life to live, you know? 1107 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,920 Yeah, it's amazing. Where can people go if they. 1108 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,840 Want to see more of your stuff? So very active on. 1109 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:47,440 Instagram so tune Nova so TU space Nova so tune Nova from 1110 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,960 translates from Latin, so it means new you. 1111 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,880 And so yeah, when I got into the fitness space, Tune Nova reached 1112 01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,000 out to me in terms of it just came into my brain and I 1113 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,880 thought, Nah, that sums up a lot of my journey. 1114 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,560 So yeah. Tune Nova kettlebell training on 1115 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,200 Instagram. We are also also on Facebook. 1116 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,160 We're also going to be competing at the European Championships in 1117 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:18,760 York on the 14th, 15th and 16th of of May. 1118 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,040 So if you even want to watch the sport in person, you can. 1119 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,080 But yeah, Instagram's the best way to reach out. 1120 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,200 Amazing. I appreciate you coming on. 1121 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,320 Mate, always thanks very very much for letting me share the. 1122 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,320 Journey, mate, and keep up the great work because it's 1123 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,640 platforms like this which allow us to share messages and and put 1124 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,760 good stuff out there, you know, so keep up the great work. 1125 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:38,800 I appreciate it.