1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,560 Hi there. I'm Kyle McLaughlin. 2 00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:05,280 And I'm Benito Skinner. And this is really, and this is 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,040 the 824 podcast. Welcome to our podcast. 4 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:11,440 You've done a lot of podcasts. I've done a lot of podcasts. 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:12,600 You and Mary, right? I mean. 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,080 Yes, your kids are really we're in the cut with this. 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,240 You guys are in the I'm so you'll have to help the old man. 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,160 You're going to be just fine. I I really was telling them 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,760 before I am losing words all the time. 10 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,160 I am not good at speaking anymore What happened? 11 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:28,040 Well, you. Just you've exhausted that 12 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,880 muscle. Talking can get really hard. 13 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,960 That's why I, you know, brought you here today. 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,480 Oh, good, talk about that. Hey Daddy, what do I need? 15 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:36,880 To see you. It's so nice to see you. 16 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,880 Too. I love this, This is heaven. 17 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,160 I am so first of all, I'm so excited for you and, and the 18 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:46,680 work and the effort you've put into this and your bravery, of 19 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,040 course, but you do it with such heart. 20 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,680 You know, it's it's the show is hilarious, but there's not like 21 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,240 a a mean bone in it, you know what I mean? 22 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,880 There's there's some poking and edging a little edge, of course, 23 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,840 but it's it's comes from a really, really gentle, warm, 24 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,840 loving place. And also, I think you allow 25 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,640 these characters who could very easily become one-dimensional, 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,520 many more layers, and that's not easy to do. 27 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,360 I thank you so much. I mean, you are literally one of 28 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,480 my heroes, so it is always that you know that. 29 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,880 I left my Cape I well of. Course I I've never been. 30 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,880 More nervous than the day when you were coming to set because I 31 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,080 knew we were going to do our scene in the room where you're 32 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,880 trying on all my clothes and. I. 33 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,960 I could have lost a few more pounds for that, I just want to 34 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:33,200 say. Hey, I thought you look 35 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,120 fantastic. I go shit, I got it from my dad. 36 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,800 I looked at you as like, damn it, fuck. 37 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,840 No, that's all I did for that's all I did for eight months. 38 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:41,960 You were busy. You were. 39 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,240 You were booking other things. No, I just, and immediately I 40 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,440 think being in that trailer with you and you getting fitted for 41 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,280 Invisalign, I was like, this is a true artist, the way you made 42 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,720 a meal of that. And I think you didn't judge in 43 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:57,840 me. I think you didn't judge the 44 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,680 character too. I think some people come in and 45 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,640 I'm like, I think what what is on screen and what I see in you 46 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,440 is a dad that also just really wants to be loved so. 47 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,960 Dearly by his kids and it's like doesn't know where to put that 48 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,280 love and where to put this. Past applause that he got and. 49 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,680 He's not getting it anymore. And what? 50 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,640 Does that feel like for a man I don't know? 51 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,240 Well, it's funny you say that because I have a, my son Callum 52 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,240 is almost 17 and I'm definitely entering that phase. 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,240 It's, you know, I'm an older dad, you know, so, so I'm not, 54 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,320 it's not that I'm trying to keep up by any means. 55 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,440 I mean, but I but I want to at least be present and around and 56 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,480 understand a little bit, you know, and I had the most, the 57 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,120 best wake up call, which was this past weekend. 58 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,800 We were invited up. Desiree's, one of her clients 59 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,720 rented out Surf Ranch, which is Kelly Slater's facility up 60 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,320 Northwest Snow. OK. 61 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,040 So we were guests. It was fantastic. 62 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,840 Callum is a surfer. He's been surfing for four or 63 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,080 five years now. OK, let's go. 64 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:05,600 Ever since we moved out from New York, he's become California 65 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:06,800 volleyball. I love that. 66 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,240 You know, I've been rewatching The OC, so this is huge. 67 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,440 OK, we'll talk about it later. Yeah, OK, good. 68 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,400 But anyway, he so we get there and it's quite an amazing place 69 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,880 and a lovely, lovely hospitality, just really 70 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,440 beautiful. And it's the first day. 71 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,280 So yeah, I am not a surfer. I mean, I have tried and it is 72 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,680 just awful embarrassing. Yeah. 73 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,240 That's it's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 74 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,280 So I see my son. I'm on the wave runner watching 75 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,680 him. I'm just going, Oh, my God, He 76 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,680 just up and he's down the wave and he's so elegant. 77 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:36,880 He's 65. Yeah. 78 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,720 So he's tough as a surfer, but he looks so great on the board. 79 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,360 And he's. Yeah, on a board. 80 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,360 Oh, my. He's on the board. 81 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,440 Yeah. And so then it's my turn and I 82 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,280 literally, I have the guy there next to me. 83 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,240 I am nearly falling like he's grabbing me to keep me on the 84 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,400 board. I'm looking at myself going that 85 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,520 is just an old man who shouldn't be on a surfboard. 86 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,480 And that was my And that was my sort of wake up call. 87 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,160 I was like, and that happened this past weekend. 88 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,160 I was like, shit. No, that's John. 89 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,680 I love it. I'm going. 90 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,000 We're still. Damn, it's yeah and we're 91 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,240 wearing. Clothes. 92 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. 93 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,880 It definitely was. I was like, oh, we're echoing my 94 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,200 life now. Does he does he talk to you 95 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,959 about acting at all or is he like, has he consumed the work? 96 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,680 This is my thing where I think maybe because my boyfriend 97 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,880 recently said like, oh it's going to be so fun for our kids 98 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,200 one day to see this. And I'm like I. 99 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,520 Bet they won't fucking care. That's what I hear from 100 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:26,560 everyone, that baby. He doesn't. 101 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,360 He doesn't. He doesn't really care. 102 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,080 It's like he's like, oh, Dad, yeah, that was in. 103 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,320 He hasn't seen a single thing I've done. 104 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,960 I mean, there are many things that he can't see yet. 105 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,000 I mean, we'll always get you to the age. 106 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,640 Now we can. He hasn't seen Dune. 107 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,520 We don't have Dune. No, I don't think anything. 108 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,360 He's not a Sex in the City head. No, God damn it, he doesn't. 109 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,600 Yeah, no, yeah. No Desperate Housewives. 110 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,840 He doesn't really care. And I'm like, God, that's 111 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,040 totally great. That's totally fine. 112 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,240 I want him, his journey to be his own. 113 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,520 And, you know, kids at school mention something or your dad 114 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:54,960 was in this or something like that. 115 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,040 He's like, yeah, but he's just like, you know, which I really 116 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,360 actually I like. Yeah, I like it. 117 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,000 It's probably nice. Yeah, Yeah. 118 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,400 Don't have to worry. Your carrier or, you know, I 119 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,160 mean, he's he's a superstar on his own, right. 120 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,800 And it's. And I hope, you know, I'm 121 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,840 getting jealous. I thought it was your son. 122 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:13,360 This is so that's really fucked up. 123 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,840 I, I'm so excited you're here and, and I'm just kind of 124 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:18,760 leading this because I have so many things I want to. 125 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,320 Ask you OK that I was almost scared to on set cuz I'm like. 126 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,520 And I was just talking about this with Wally, who plays 127 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,120 Carmen in the. Show, she's delightful. 128 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,040 I loved oh, you guys just didn't interview together. 129 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,320 It was. I loved it so much. 130 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,480 She's so great. And I came into it just like, 131 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,840 tell me about you. I don't really know you, you 132 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:34,720 know, 'cause we didn't really have anything together apart 133 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:35,840 from the one scene of the dinner table. 134 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,680 But you know and. Which she's silent for the whole 135 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,120 thing. Yeah, it's not even like you're 136 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,000 just. The observer she's. 137 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,120 Just looking at us. Which is that scene is really 138 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,320 funny. But she's yeah, she's wonderful. 139 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,680 And and I love the conversation. It's intelligent and she's 140 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,680 beautiful. I wanted to know her process and 141 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,320 she's he's very thoughtful. And the fact that she's been 142 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,840 writing for so long, I know it was a great. 143 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:55,440 It was a great to learn about her. 144 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,760 But we were talking about it and we were like, we had this moment 145 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,520 on set where we thought maybe because the show I the show was 146 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,240 overcompensating and that we got you and Connie really big 147 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,760 trailers because we thought like, I remember you'd be. 148 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:07,800 I walked in. I was. 149 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,120 Like what the hell you were like in no hot tub? 150 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,520 And that's like, that's my daddy. 151 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,240 I'm like, I'm obsessed with him. But I was like, so we didn't 152 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,800 know if you guys were going to be in holding with us under the 153 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,120 tent. And so then when? 154 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,160 You were, it was just Wally and I between you and Connie. 155 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,760 And I was like, I can't believe this is really fucking 156 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:24,840 happening. Like I can't believe you guys 157 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:26,880 said yes. So like there's so many things I 158 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,880 wanted to ask you, but was like, I don't want to bother him. 159 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,880 Like he's an actor. An actor prepares. 160 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:36,400 Oh, so sweet, no, so sweet. I I I love that you wrote such a 161 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,480 nice thing and that really appealed to me. 162 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,480 And I also it. Makes me so. 163 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,200 Hush. I just, I simply read the script 164 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,760 and I was like, this is really funny and I know and I knew some 165 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,120 of the people involved. I was like, I'm like, let's go. 166 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,480 You at that TV? I think about that TV, remember? 167 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,960 That was well, someone just asked me when did you break the 168 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,360 most? And I was thinking one of them 169 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,960 was when you turn and you go look at this. 170 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,040 Thing. Imagine March Madness on this 171 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:02,960 thing. Yeah. 172 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,880 Do the big mouth open I It's probably. 173 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,600 That in the Invisalign, in the in the. 174 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,760 Glass. Oh, God, I remember doing that. 175 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,800 And I remember them saying, I think we're gonna need to have a 176 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,880 saliva Wrangler for you, you know, because we're gonna need 177 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,240 to put some saliva in there to make it, you know, stringy. 178 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,600 And I'm like, think we're gonna be OK We're here. 179 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,760 So that's all natural. We're working. 180 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,360 Well, yeah, that's me. That's me working through the 181 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,680 character. That's an actor. 182 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,000 Yeah. And that's just create the 183 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,200 saliva. And then it just. 184 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,360 How incredible I get to be. There for take after. 185 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,080 Take Yeah, I love and this dyed. Hair that you have, we have to 186 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,120 talk about this. So what's this for? 187 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,840 Fallout. So Fallout, Yeah, so. 188 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,360 Because I want it for season 2 if we get one. 189 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,280 I mean this is. Perfect. 190 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,480 We're ready to go. Cool. 191 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:48,120 Yeah, I had to do this for color the hair for another thing that 192 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,920 I did that was called the sensitive kind. 193 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,840 Now it's called the lowdown. And I shot the pilot and my hair 194 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,840 was white and I told the director, I said, you know, we 195 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,400 can I can go back, but I you know, what do you think? 196 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,800 And I said I and I and I said there is a world which the in 197 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,360 which the character would dye his hair because he's he's 198 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,000 somewhat vain. He's a politician. 199 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,800 He's trying to appeal to a younger voter. 200 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,400 Yeah. So I saw that he's and he's sort 201 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,240 of let me think about it. And then he wrote it in. 202 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,960 So it's me and Jean Triplehorn. And she's dying my hair. 203 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:18,840 Yeah. And I love it. 204 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,960 And it's so wrong and right at the same time. 205 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,360 But I've been. Yeah, I've been. 206 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:24,800 I've been back with the color now so. 207 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,880 Because I'm thinking I go blonde Season 2, you know it's. 208 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,480 Like I'm gay, so I that's the first. 209 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,600 Thing OK full full honor like more of. 210 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,799 AI think it would I would maybe do it and then it'd be terrible. 211 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:35,400 It'd be that kind of orangey yellow and. 212 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,320 Queen. And then I'm like, I feel like 213 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,960 you. I want Mary Beth to go brunette 214 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,600 again. Yeah, you find that die in her 215 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:41,840 bathroom. And yeah, let her. 216 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,640 I think, and again, I think the character, his journey would 217 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,520 support it. He wants to be young, you know 218 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,720 what I mean? He's doing invisible. 219 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,080 Why not? He's not done. 220 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,440 He's like, this is his new Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 221 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,320 You said season 2, so have they said anything yet or are? 222 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,880 They they haven't said anything yet, I think, or. 223 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,200 Anything that you can say? Maybe you can't. 224 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,560 Say, yeah, I probably, I mean, honestly, I haven't heard. 225 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:02,640 Anything. So they have five seasons that 226 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:03,880 they've purchased. So they yes. 227 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,880 So we're, you know, we're, we're shooting them all at the same 228 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,120 time. Yes, good block for block 229 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:09,520 shooting those. That would be really great, 230 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:12,120 yeah. Yeah, I, I don't know anything, 231 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,120 but I think I, I feel so great about where it landed. 232 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,920 I'm so proud of it. And I really can't believe the 233 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,320 people that are in it. Like I still watch it and I, 234 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,640 it's so insane to me that you're in this because I, I, I was 235 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,800 trying to think before I saw you today of like my experience with 236 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,360 your work and what I saw first. And I think the first thing I 237 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,080 saw in high school, I took this class that was called. 238 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,360 It was something of like for seniors in in high school that 239 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,840 they got to do like a film class. 240 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,680 And so we watched Blue Velvet. Oh yeah. 241 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,000 And I think that was like my first experience with it and 242 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,480 I've never been so. And this was like, also I I just 243 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,600 found Lana Del Rey, so. It's kind of like living in 244 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,600 this, very like lynching. World at the time. 245 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:59,680 And it completely rocked my world and I in a way that I and 246 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:03,440 I think I speak for so many people listening to this and and 247 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,000 just everyone and when I say I'm so. 248 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,240 Sorry about your friend and you had. 249 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,680 The most beautiful post about it, Oh my God and I. 250 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,120 Thank you. If if you're comfortable talking 251 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,240 about it, I would. Love to hear how. 252 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:16,760 Because that was. No, it was. 253 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,160 Dune was first. Dune was first, yeah. 254 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,960 So was the. Day for Dune and then was cast 255 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,120 and we worked together on that for seven months in Mexico City. 256 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,760 And so that the friendship started, the other working 257 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,960 relationship started there, and then Dune came out and was not 258 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,920 received well. Sorry, it's iconic. 259 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,160 Have you seen the new ones? I've seen the new ones. 260 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,240 Yeah. I like the new ones, yeah. 261 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,920 Yeah. I mean, I love that book so much 262 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,000 and that story. It's like. 263 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,120 I'm actually like I've read it not even not for me, but I did 264 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,240 like hard. I've seen all the. 265 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:50,000 Movies OK well that's you got it that's fine between the two but 266 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:55,480 it was yeah. And he bless his heart came back 267 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,680 to me for Blue Velvet. You know we we did this thing 268 00:10:58,680 --> 00:10:59,960 together came out to be a disaster. 269 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:03,640 He didn't have to return to me I was at the time in in Hollywood. 270 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:09,520 I was kind of like, it was a, yeah, desolate sort of situation 271 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,680 after that. I've been there, yeah, he gave. 272 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:14,120 Assistant roles have I read for over the years. 273 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,480 No. What am I gonna do now? 274 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,320 Yeah, but he came back and and then we went off to shoot Blue 275 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,240 Velvet, which was really fun. Yeah, we're just shooting we. 276 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,800 Shot in Wilmington, NC and it was Laura Dern, Isabella 277 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,880 Rossellini, myself, David Lynch, Dennis Hopper. 278 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:33,160 And we were like a little band of, you know, it's like Dune was 279 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,760 a whole different experience. That was like a giant circus of 280 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,240 a million parts. And Blue Velvet was kind of more 281 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,560 what filmmaking is really about. We're small, we're independent, 282 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,600 no one's paying much attention to us, and we're just kind of 283 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,480 making this thing kind of like we were just out doing a thing, 284 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,000 you know, we. Were just at the house in 285 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,360 Toronto. The house in Toronto, yeah. 286 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:54,760 Doing our stuff, yeah. So it was so that and that that 287 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:59,160 journey was was magical and for any NUM for a number of reasons 288 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,560 and kind of helped rejuvenate where I was at the time, you 289 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:05,200 know, and then that kind of led to other things. 290 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,920 And then Twin Peaks, of course, you know, that sort of shot it 291 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,080 out. I mean that is. 292 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,640 That's that was amazing. Have you rewatched any of them 293 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,640 recently or? I think I saw you at Vidiots, 294 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,320 right? Yeah, you did a screening there. 295 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,560 You just showed up. Can you watch your own work or 296 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:18,760 no? Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I can. 297 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,000 I mean, that's so long ago now. I look at it and like, don't 298 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,560 even know who that person is in a way, but it's really fun to 299 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:27,160 see. And I'm going to go to London on 300 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,440 June 15th and the BFI, the British Film Institute, is going 301 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,960 to screen the first, the pilot episode, which hasn't on a big 302 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,360 screen, which hasn't been done forever. 303 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,360 Probably since premiere. Yeah, yeah. 304 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:42,960 So that'll be fun. So I'm looking forward to that. 305 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,880 That'll be really, that'll be really good. 306 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,000 But no, I, I, I haven't really, you know. 307 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,400 And I mean, there are whole episodes. 308 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,320 I'm like, I don't. Remember. 309 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,560 Oh, I'm sure even even now I just. 310 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,240 Shot this and. I'm kind of like, people will 311 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,320 bring up a scene and I get like, OK, I got it. 312 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:58,960 Yeah, I've seen it 200 times at this. 313 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,160 Point we in the edit but I'm like I don't even know what the. 314 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,920 Fuck, I'm like. Remember, or people will quote a 315 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,360 joke back to me and I just look at them and they think I'm like, 316 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,400 you know, an absolute bemo. They're like, oh, you didn't 317 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,240 even write it. I'm like, no, I can't even 318 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:12,520 register. Yeah, I'm like, I've no. 319 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Oh my God. What was the? 320 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,160 The process like for that first time when he met you for Dune, 321 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,480 like was it just you came in and auditioned and then that was it 322 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,160 or? Was no, David does the beautiful 323 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,760 thing about David is he doesn't he doesn't audition people. 324 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,880 So Dune was a little bit different from the other from 325 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:34,480 the other films. IA casting agent saw me, 326 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,480 auditioned me, taped me in Seattle in hotel room, you know, 327 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,280 and there was a chair outside with some sides. 328 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,920 She was inside with a little camera like these ones here. 329 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:51,080 And she was so kind and so nice and she filmed me and I said, 330 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,840 how does this work? What happens now? 331 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,520 And she said, well, I take the she was French. 332 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,680 I take the tape to doing French now, you know, it is a thing. 333 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,000 I take down the show, David Lynch and Rafael. 334 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,880 I have to go to San Francisco and audition people there. 335 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,800 And I said, so, you know, in my do I have a chance with this? 336 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,000 And she said, well, unless I find someone in San Francisco, 337 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,920 you know, maybe it's possible. Yeah. 338 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,040 She was, you know, positive. And I was like, OK, great. 339 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,280 Means the world. And I was like, you know, I go 340 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,440 back to my little. I was doing a play at the Empty 341 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,280 Space Theater, Tartouf. We were doing a different 342 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,680 adaptation of Tartouf. And so I went, you know, back to 343 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:23,800 work. I was like, OK, we'll see what 344 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,160 happens. And a few days later, they said 345 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,120 we, you know, they saw the tape. I'd like to bring you down. 346 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,280 So they put me on a plane. They flew me from Seattle to LA 347 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,120 So I go from like January in Seattle to January in LA, 2 348 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,040 completely different climates. Yes, of course. 349 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,120 And I was like, this is nice down here. 350 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,840 And then I met David on at the lot at Universal and one of the 351 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,720 little bungalows and we just had a conversation. 352 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,160 So we spoke for about 20 minutes. 353 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,120 And at the end of it he said here, here's the script, learn, 354 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,720 you know, 5 or 6 scenes, these scenes and then come back and 355 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:51,920 we'll screen test. And I was like, sure. 356 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:53,880 Like I do this every day. Yeah. 357 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,960 And I was like, that was the first film script I've ever 358 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:56,480 read. Of course. 359 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,400 Yeah, You're like screen test. Yeah, I love a screen test. 360 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:59,200 Sure. Can read. 361 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,040 Yeah, I can do anything. So went back to Seattle, learned 362 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,360 the scenes, came back down a few days later and, and I screen 363 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,000 tested and he kind of, we did a little directing and he was, 364 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,640 that's kind of where it started. That was like we realized, oh, 365 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,840 this is actually, we really get along, you know, and it really 366 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,720 made sense and it just took off from there. 367 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,480 Pretty amazing. That's amazing. 368 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:24,560 I mean, to be his muse of sorts is like, that's I mean, I was 369 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,960 that's so major. Very I mean, and very so. 370 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,160 Lucky. Thank you. 371 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,160 Oh my. God, thank you. 372 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,160 Is there a favorite thing that you did with him? 373 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:32,800 Not to. You know you don't have. 374 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,680 To I mean, I am curious. They were all they were all 375 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,920 great. I think in the early years, like 376 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,520 Dune. I love Dune, but you're like, I 377 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,520 think it when I first started, I didn't really understand or 378 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,280 appreciate kind of who I was working with is like, it was 379 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,320 David, you know, I was like, we're doing and then I'll work 380 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,480 with a structure and a structure. 381 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,440 And then as I as my career kind of, you know, moved around, I 382 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,840 was like, you know what? That was an incredibly special 383 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,240 relationship and we came back and then we did Twin Peaks 384 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,920 together and then got to do the return together. 385 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:08,480 And I think that probably just because it was I knew, you know, 386 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,080 I mean, I had a level of appreciation for every day that 387 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,240 I worked. I was just so grateful and I got 388 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,800 to be with David and we got to create this kind of crazy world. 389 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,640 And I said this is just hold on to this because this is not 390 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,360 gonna happen again. I think I knew. 391 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,960 And so it was that kind of magic. 392 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:27,440 Yeah. It was pretty. 393 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,640 That's so beautiful. He was pretty. 394 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,360 He was pretty, pretty nice. So. 395 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,760 But I wanna ask about you. So I wanna find out a little bit 396 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:33,680 more. I had to get that. 397 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,000 We'll talk about Sex in the City next. 398 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,600 Okay. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, but you 399 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:38,400 okay. I just need. 400 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,920 I'm like they're so. I said this to Allie before I 401 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,600 go, oh, now I can. Now I get him. 402 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,000 Now he's Trav. He's luck. 403 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,320 Dude, you. Cannot get. 404 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,640 Sorry, this is it. Oh. 405 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,880 Sweet, sweet. But I'm, I'm it's, it's so 406 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,520 interesting to me that you had this idea you you ran with this 407 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,600 idea, you, you worked this idea. You believed in this idea. 408 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,640 You have partners in this. Yeah, of course, you know, to 409 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,720 help, but also you're spearheading it, you know, and, 410 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,040 you know, talk to me if you can talk to me a little bit about, 411 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,640 you know, the why, where that came from, what the desire was. 412 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,839 How were you? Did you see this story has to be 413 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:17,440 told or did you feel, you know what this. 414 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,079 Tell me what you think. Yeah. 415 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,440 I, it's so interesting. I was trying to think of like, 416 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,480 why I thought that this was on the menu, you know, because I, I 417 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:26,880 grew up in Idaho, you know, they're not. 418 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,440 We can talk about that too. I'm from the. 419 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,320 Northwest, Yeah. It's like we're, you know, 420 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:31,600 you're not. Being almost the same. 421 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,360 Town I'm kind of like, wait, so it wasn't something that was 422 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:38,520 like around me, but. I remember around the time of me 423 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,640 writing this, which is about 6 years ago, you know, I had come 424 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,680 up on like Broad City and I think Fleabag had just come out 425 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:48,800 chewing gum. I just I. 426 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,760 Knew that people. Were were taking these, you 427 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:56,360 know, experiences in their life or, or, or not even and kind of 428 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:59,440 just creating their entire world that they wanted and and to say 429 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,680 this statement, whether it be about their life or something 430 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,400 else. But I was touring a stand up 431 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,840 show at the time called Overcompensating and I was 432 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,560 telling these stories of being in the closet and I was seeing 433 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,960 crowds really laugh with me. But then by the end, I think it 434 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,520 felt like kind of an emotional show. 435 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,560 And I was like, OK, I think there's something there that's. 436 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,680 A good indicator. Yeah, yeah. 437 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,000 I was like. OK, like there's, you know, just 438 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,400 a few shows where I did some, you know, some people were 439 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,880 crying or having coming to me after and being like, I felt 440 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,880 that way too. And I'm not even gay or things 441 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,520 like that. Or, you know, the straight guy 442 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:31,720 who comes to you after. A comedy show. 443 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,680 And it's like actually was almost kind of funny. 444 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,400 Like, you know, he's like. You got some jokes there. 445 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,720 Like that means the world. Hey, thank you. 446 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:39,320 So. Much. 447 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,800 But yeah, I just, I, I just saw it hit with people. 448 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,240 And at the time, I was making sketches on the Internet pretty 449 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,760 much, you know, weekly. Yeah. 450 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,840 And I had made this one of a Kardashian Christmas, which I'm 451 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,560 sure you've seen, yes. Please my you can skip that one, 452 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,720 but it did have. Structure and States and store. 453 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,480 Dress up. Oh, I've yeah. 454 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,120 Heidi's at Heidi's Halloween party. 455 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. 456 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,000 I know. Halloween's a big. 457 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,480 Anyway, continue with this. I'm making you be some this 458 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,120 year. Yeah, I'm going to get you into 459 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:12,160 it. I know you have it in you. 460 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,800 I've seen the TikTok. I can do it. 461 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,880 I but I just remember. Like feeling like, oh, OK, if I 462 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,240 can make these store. Like there was structure 463 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,360 happening in these sketches and I was naturally wanting to tell 464 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,960 stories. And I my agent called me and he 465 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,480 was like, I just watched that sketch. 466 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,640 Do you, you should write a script. 467 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,960 But I, I think coming from, you know, Idaho or even when I went 468 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,680 to Georgetown, I didn't study like script writing. 469 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,520 I'm like, I'm like, I'm not a writer. 470 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,600 And he's like, well, you've written all these sketches, so 471 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,520 that counts. I'm like, all right, well, I'll 472 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,680 just try it. And I kept coming back to this 473 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,600 idea of overcompensating and and meeting a woman in college who 474 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,320 was like this first person because she wasn't my family 475 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,560 where I was like, Oh, I, I can't do this kind of boy next door 476 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,400 football E thing around this woman. 477 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,760 I'm I'm starting to. And she was the first person I 478 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,320 came out to. And I just thought, OK, I love 479 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,000 that. And I. 480 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,240 I started, you know, kind of pitching myself jokes about 481 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,960 college. I could write it forever. 482 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,960 It was like the easiest world to build for me because I was like, 483 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,440 oh God, the pregames, The, you know, what happens with sex? 484 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,800 How? It feels it's just like I'm just 485 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,640 like this. Is delicious and at the time, 486 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,520 you know, sex lives of college girls wasn't out or anything. 487 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,760 So it wasn't I just didn't see college anywhere. 488 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,000 And I'm like, what a perfect place to mine comedy and also so 489 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,880 much emotion and heartbreak and and then thinking about I think 490 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,520 also the parents in it too, of how do you you know, the parents 491 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,600 that leave you at college who you reintroduce, you know, to a 492 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,160 new version of you over Thanksgiving and Christmas? 493 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,080 And that to me also was like, don't we all feel that every 494 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,160 time we see our parents or our family? 495 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,760 And even if like a year has passed, it's like, maybe I'm 496 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,400 different now, you know, maybe I'm not the person that I think 497 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,840 you want me to be. So that's, I think, the whole 498 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,000 show. But I wonder, it's sort of 499 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,240 remarkable because I wonder, do they? 500 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,680 I guess we'll see. We go. 501 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:09,720 Do they see you differently somehow or, or like, you know, 502 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,080 when I see my son, he's my son, Yeah. 503 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,760 You know, and he and he, you know, all the, you know, going 504 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,080 through puberty, going in the teen years now, and I'm sure 505 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,680 it'll continue. It's like that. 506 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,040 He's my son. You know what I mean? 507 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,240 That is a constant. You know, somehow there is. 508 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:31,360 I think that is the and it's so beautiful that you say that 509 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:33,960 because that really I think is the core of these relationships 510 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,520 that I think, you know, some people obviously come out and 511 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,320 are treated horribly and completely lose their their 512 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,240 family and that they have to find new families. 513 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,360 But I think there is something in the show where I think we're 514 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:49,400 trying to play it somewhere in the middle, which I think is you 515 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,480 haven't seen on screen in a way where it's, you know, I've only 516 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,560 seen some of these things lately where the parents are like 517 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,440 that's. Amazing. 518 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,680 And the dad's like joking about downloading Grinder and I'm 519 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,280 like, well, I just don't think that's the case because I think 520 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,640 there's also an emotional. Thing that the parents are going 521 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,400 through of yeah I thought I knew who my child was also. 522 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,520 You were going through all this and you didn't tell me, like, 523 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,800 what have I done? Yeah. 524 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,240 And I think that that is something in the. 525 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,320 You're asking the right questions because I think as we 526 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,960 continue, you know, let's hope. Yeah, please, because your, 527 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,480 because your instinct is to write deeper, you know what I 528 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,440 mean? It's to write layers. 529 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,240 You know what I mean? Everyone's got everyone's good, 530 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,440 bad, everyone's a mix, you know, of course everyone has 531 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,240 difficulty issues. What they're saying, what 532 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,640 they're doing is usually there's something behind that. 533 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,520 And I agree with you. I think it does. 534 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,720 It would take an adjustment. You have to. 535 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,320 And it's not as an acceptance of course, but there's also like, 536 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,280 you know, how did I not help or how did I? 537 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,520 Not know or my kid. Yeah. 538 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,720 So there's all this journey that I agree. 539 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:53,880 I don't think we've really seen it the way you're describing it. 540 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:54,880 You know, it's going to be funny. 541 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,320 It has to be funny, but of course it's going to be. 542 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,680 Heartfelt because it's funny watching a parent try then 543 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,760 almost too much, too much. There's such a beautiful 544 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,040 overcomment of like, now you know, Sometimes it is so funny. 545 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,880 My dad will like wear pride merch. 546 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,880 You know where it's like and that to me feels so much like 547 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,560 the character of like now there's kind of an athleticism 548 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,440 to. It you had mentioned that 549 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,160 before, showmanship. And we're going to go to the 550 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,920 game, yeah. Yeah, it's like I have my North 551 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,200 Face, you know, pride collab. Let's fucking go. 552 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,400 So that I think is and. And also it being this thing 553 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,520 with the parents where each parent has a different 554 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,880 relationship to the coming out. I love that and what you know. 555 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,440 I love that because you made that choice and we were filming. 556 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,840 There were some scenes when we were in together, Connie was in 557 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,280 and we were both in together and you and then a couple scenes you 558 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,400 sort of say, you know, we're just gonna separate this out. 559 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,840 And that is so true. I mean, my wife and I, each of 560 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,280 us have have a different relationship. 561 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,880 We have a relationship together with our son and then each of us 562 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,320 has our own individual relationship. 563 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,640 And it's so important. I, I saw that. 564 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,040 I was like, oh, that was a really good choice. 565 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:55,960 Oh. Thank you. 566 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,800 And I think that in doing that, I think I also want to see what 567 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,200 your relationship is like with Grace, you know my sister and 568 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,640 the like that too. It's like you see inklings of 569 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,360 it. But yeah, something about I 570 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:12,960 think it being disruptive to a family and that at the time I 571 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,640 think creates so much anger in the person who's been closeted 572 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,680 because it's like, why isn't everyone celebrating? 573 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,680 And and, and I thought that when I came out because I had, you 574 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,400 know, my parents were, were pretty surprised, as crazy as 575 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,520 that sounds given who I am now. But, you know, I really did kind 576 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,760 of hunker down and like, I, I was like, I'm doing this. 577 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,560 I'm I'm pretending to have girlfriends. 578 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,520 I'm playing football. I'm like, I'm and, and I watched 579 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,200 their confusion with anger, I think. 580 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,240 And now having some space from it, I think I am excited to tell 581 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,000 a story of, yeah, at times the parents get it wrong. 582 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,160 But I do think that there is there are conversations and and 583 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,160 things that I think both sides are scared to have. 584 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,880 But in the end, I think it you do get to a place where it's 585 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,920 also about parents meeting an adult in their kid for the first 586 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,640 time. And that's not who they had in 587 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,800 high school. This is like a truly someone 588 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,640 who's. Separate individual moving in 589 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,800 their own direction. Yeah, creating. 590 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,680 Creating their own. Which is not just, yeah, a queer 591 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,720 story. That to me is universal. 592 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,200 It's like there's that would also be the parents experience 593 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,600 with Grace too. It's the transition. 594 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,880 We're sitting here with a a junior in in high school and 595 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,520 going coming. Great, here we go. 596 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,680 What is he? Yeah. 597 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,200 What's he interested in? What's the? 598 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,920 He, you know, he's at a very difficult school. 599 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,520 He's but he loves the challenge. He's very social, very verbal 600 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,480 and he's, I don't want to embarrass him too much, but 601 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,920 he's, he grew up in, in New York. 602 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,880 So his first, yeah, six years of 6th grades were in New York. 603 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,920 And then we came out to Los Angeles and he immediately 604 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,560 became a California kid. He's like volleyball. 605 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,000 He started playing volleyball, beach, beach and indoor. 606 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,480 I would have loved Can you imagine me? 607 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,600 You could do it. Come on, get us. 608 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,920 Come on. Did you play volleyball? 609 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,040 I again, I played when I was a kid. 610 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,840 I played at my at the YMCA. When I was in high school, 611 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,280 great. There was no such thing as a 612 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,280 team or anything where I'm from. Yakima little smaller, but 613 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,360 smaller. Love that you're from. 614 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,920 Yeah, it is smaller, which yeah. It's tiny, yeah, but but it's 615 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,800 sort of the same, same sort of neck of the woods. 616 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,400 But and then but never tried surfing, you know, But he's he's 617 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,160 a great volleyball player and he's a really talented surfer. 618 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,880 And so it's so fun to watch that and to watch the progression. 619 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,320 And he started when he was about 12 or 13, I think, you know, 620 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,440 just a little kid kind of falling off the board, you know, 621 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,160 And now he is like really capable so. 622 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,680 Was there any piece of you that was sad that he wasn't going 623 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,120 into the arts or anything like that? 624 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,480 Or are you just like, you know what? 625 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,840 Not really. Maybe that's great. 626 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,440 I'm I'm kind of actually. That's kind of why I'm like, I 627 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,200 want my kids to be in finance or something. 628 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,360 I'm like, I I'm yeah, don't do this. 629 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,720 I can't. The thought of someone 630 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,080 commenting something awful to my. 631 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,960 Child yeah, it would make you like, yeah, like, or I mean, I 632 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,840 guess they would just be in an office and then someone would 633 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,520 say it to their face, but I'm just like. 634 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,280 Yeah, criticism. I think I'm good on that. 635 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,120 I don't know, it's a weird thing because I think I, I think about 636 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,920 my journey and when I was in high school, you know, I did 637 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,440 plays, We did the musical. It was kind of a thing everybody 638 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,240 did. Yeah. 639 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,120 You didn't take the drama class in high school. 640 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,240 That was the thing that was for a course that was not going to 641 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:12,720 happen. Yeah. 642 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,200 But you did the plays, you did the musicals. 643 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,000 And then I went to college and I was like, OK, I pledged. 644 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,480 I was a beta for about, yeah, six months. 645 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,600 And I was like, this is crazy. And I was like, I don't think 646 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,600 this is my milieu, you know what I mean? 647 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,760 For any number of reasons. But great guys. 648 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,680 But I was like, I need a little more. 649 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,480 I'm not a, you know, it felt just like wearing a giant mosh 650 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,680 pit. And I was like, Nah, not buddy 651 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,920 me, but and I and I left school and I went back home and I, I 652 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,120 worked in this lumber mill cutting wood in Yakima and was 653 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,600 making money because that summer I decided I was going to go to 654 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,360 summer stock and see what it was all about. 655 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,480 It was in North Carolina and I got the money. 656 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,120 I flew to North Carolina and I had my first kind of real stage 657 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:03,960 experience. We did a, there was a play there 658 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,880 look, Homewood Angel and I played Eugene. 659 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,480 It was an Equity theater. I was the lead of this thing and 660 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,520 I just, I was like, oh, damn. I like the, I mean, I knew I 661 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,120 liked it in high school, but I said I think I might be decent 662 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,040 at this. It was the only thing, the only 663 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,920 I tried so many things. It was only me too. 664 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:24,720 Kind of. Yeah, right. 665 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,840 OK. And I came back and I went in 666 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,400 and I came back to school with a new direction, a new focus. 667 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,200 And I got into a training program and and it just and that 668 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,280 and I loved it. I loved it. 669 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,480 What did you, what did you, what was your experience? 670 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,840 I'm curious, 'cause you. So Boise grew up high school 671 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,520 there, Jock doing everything, did it all. 672 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,080 Wide receiver. Wide receiver. 673 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,440 And then, yeah, that's a good position. 674 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,040 It was. I loved that position. 675 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,960 I will say I, you know, I'm sure there are gay people out there 676 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,200 who can catch. Balls. 677 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,760 But I and I'm happy to have that that audio clipped. 678 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,960 Thank you. But I yeah, that was the one 679 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,320 thing looking and looking and looking at, you know, when we we 680 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,400 have. That scene I was, I was more 681 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,520 nervous for that scene than any other in the because I go if I 682 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,640 can't fucking catch this. Like the show, the show folds in 683 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,520 on itself. Very. 684 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,160 Quickly. Yeah, God, I love that. 685 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,040 Hey, freshman, that too. And not laughing at you doing 686 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,320 that, but yeah, I, I. I did that because I knew. 687 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,720 I just thought, you know, if I am in a play, everyone's going 688 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,480 to know I'm gay because they're going to see how. 689 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,000 Much I fucking love it. Like there's something about 690 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,080 that where I'm like and I I think there's a a freedom in in 691 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,680 acting too and and when you're in it that I think I would lose 692 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,880 control. And that's for me, that whole. 693 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,920 Time of my life was control, and so that's a. 694 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,760 Hardcore man. Oh, yeah. 695 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:50,640 I I really, I think I feel like it's, it's not, it's AI think 696 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,000 everybody is in high school is under some kind of control, of 697 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,920 course, right. And you, you know, he's like, 698 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,360 this is not this is cool, this is not cool. 699 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,760 There's nobody that's just like, and if they are, they're like, 700 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,080 they're kind of weird. Yeah, absolute freaks. 701 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:04,560 Yeah, yeah. You know it's. 702 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,560 Testing waters all the time even in I think that's what the 1st 2 703 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,360 episodes of the show are and kind of the whole thing. 704 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,480 But yeah, I think it is yeah. The OK I'm going to do this. 705 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,920 Is this a little too far yeah. We'll ease it back. 706 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,240 You know, like is this And then I would have this confusion 707 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,280 where by the time I got to college, I was like, wait, OK, 708 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,760 so you're saying that's gay, but then this thing isn't gay. 709 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,720 But then you like slap that guy in the ass every day and that's 710 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,400 not gay. I'm like I you guys are 711 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,920 confusing. Me, I got to just we got to 712 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,600 figure this out. I'm like, I can't do this. 713 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,280 But your. Definitions were. 714 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,440 All yeah, I'm like, I don't know I'm like so we can kiss on the 715 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,960 lips and that's not gay like I need someone to like help me out 716 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,280 here, but I it was my. Senior year where I I just was 717 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,080 like, you know what? I just kind of have to come out 718 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,440 like, I can't do this anymore. Yeah. 719 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,080 And it was almost through just making little sketches and, and, 720 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,240 and I was in the film school at OK Georgetown, and people asked 721 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,360 me to be in their short films. And I would do that. 722 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,880 And I would act in these like, you know, student short for 723 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,560 which I'm like, I'm sure I'm waiting. 724 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,400 For we've got to find those. We've got to find the 725 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,720 compliment. We actually don't. 726 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,000 Can we please, Can we put someone on that? 727 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,880 And they're, you know. Maybe can they help us out? 728 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,120 They're student films, so they're. 729 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,240 So dramatic, you know what I mean? 730 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,240 It's like they deal with like rape trauma, like suicide, It's 731 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,360 like. In a 5 minute short, which was 732 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,240 yeah, but I and I thought like. Those days I was like, this is 733 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,360 the happiest I've ever been. Like I'm finally I get to be in 734 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,680 front of a camera. And I think once I wasn't 735 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,440 putting a hat on on a hat and being in the closet and then 736 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,760 trying to do this like I'm a straight guy act, you know, 737 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,560 instead, I think, yeah, I just. And then I started posting it 738 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,000 all on the Internet and that's kind of writing sketches and and 739 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,560 playing with character and, and I think that was at the same 740 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,120 time I was coming out. So you almost see a person who's 741 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,200 kind of, I think. Kind of writing yourself out of 742 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,200 one attitude and saying this is who I am. 743 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,640 Exactly. And testing it through 744 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,760 character, almost, Yeah. And being like, maybe I'm not 745 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,280 ready to show you me yet, but I could show you a Southern woman. 746 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,680 Yeah, you know, and I'm like, maybe an impression of Timothy 747 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,120 Chalamet will get me there. You know, I'm like, I can't, I 748 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,240 can't do me yet. But things like that that I. 749 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,320 And then I, you know, and then I found stand up and that too, I 750 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,560 think was something that felt like I think I've never done 751 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,640 theater and I really want to at some point because I think it 752 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,640 almost the combination of everything I've done is that and 753 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,600 so many, you know, doing stand up and now acting. 754 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,560 But it. Yeah. 755 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,280 And then it it fortunately, I started auditioning and a lot of 756 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,080 gay assistant roles A. Lot of bad auditions. 757 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,400 Holy shit. You know they don't. 758 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,040 No one ever trained. You how to audition. 759 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,400 That's the issue. That's what I found through like 760 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,880 all of this. I'm like I. 761 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,280 Yeah, it's the worst. It's the worst place to be. 762 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,080 It's horrific. I remember I read something, 763 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,640 Tom, I think I. It's described to Tom Hanks. 764 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,080 I don't know if he said it or not, but he said he used to 765 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,760 treat auditions like mini performances. 766 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,480 Yeah. So he would get the script, he'd 767 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,640 learn it, and he'd go in his head. 768 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,480 He's OK for one afternoon only, from 2:00 to 3:00. 769 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,440 I am going to be on just doing this performance. 770 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,120 Come see me. I'm going to do this and I'm 771 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,960 going to do it. One show and that's it. 772 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,920 Yeah, we're done. So you'd think of it as like a 773 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,840 little performance and and he'd finish and said thank you very 774 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:05,760 much. And he'd leave. 775 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,640 And then he said, oh, you know what? 776 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,880 We got a second night. I get to go back and audition 777 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,360 again because they called me back. 778 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,680 And he'd go like, OK, I'm gonna go for one night, you know? 779 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,600 And Joe, he wow. OK in that way, he held kind of 780 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,000 held power. The power. 781 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,600 Yeah. You know, which is his show. 782 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,000 What you, what you need to have in that room, You know what I 783 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,800 mean? And confidence. 784 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,440 And. Those rooms, it's the hardest 785 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,720 thing to have. It's so hard. 786 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,920 Yeah, it's so hard. But let me go back because 787 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,280 you've mentioned stand up. And stand up to me is the most 788 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,520 naked way of, you know, you're standing in front of an audience 789 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,000 with a microphone and ain't nothing but you, no mic and the 790 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,240 audience. So yeah, this is the place to 791 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,320 hey, here I am. Hard to hide, I think in that. 792 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,640 Oh yeah, in that reality. I. 793 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,360 It's so funny, I got into it because I was making these 794 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,080 sketches and Carolines in New York this old I've been to. 795 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,840 Caroline yeah, which I love. Yeah, so sad. 796 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,440 I think it's close. It's close. 797 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,320 So sad. But they emailed me and they 798 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,160 said we're doing the New York Comedy Fest. 799 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,120 Do you have a show? We'd be interested if you have a 800 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,040 one man show. And I was like, well of course I 801 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,600 have, but I just needed to pay rent. 802 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,360 I was like, I don't have any. Fucking money. 803 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,679 So I was like, yeah, of course I got a show. 804 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,360 And I I just went on a stand up boot camp. 805 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,080 I was like, I and I LED with storytelling. 806 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:24,600 Yeah. And then I knew that because of 807 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,080 my videos. I was like, I do love joke 808 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,239 writing and I think I can do some characters on stage. 809 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,800 Yeah, but it. How did that go? 810 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,360 I mean obviously LED. It, it's so I, I, it sounds so 811 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,000 fake, but I in a way, I, I think it was the perfect time to be 812 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,840 doing it in New York. There were so many queer 813 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,120 comedians and women. They would all put me on shows 814 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,040 and let me try. And I, it's How I Met Mary Beth 815 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,760 and I just like, I got this one thing out of my system. 816 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,480 I think that was also now I'm, I'm being myself in front of 817 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,080 people and I'm, I, you know, I just started being with my 818 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,520 boyfriend at that time. So it was like I just had locked 819 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,040 into something and I and I love to perform. 820 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,040 Like I, there was something about making people laugh and, 821 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,480 and then coming up on the Internet, you know, I can't hear 822 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,320 real laughter. So hearing real laughter for the 823 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,840 first time. I mean, you're just like, no, 824 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,080 you're glutton. It's. 825 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,640 Like, I'm doing this every night and then you do a bad show and 826 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,320 then you're like, all right, well, that was. 827 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,320 A winner and then you do one good one and it sustains you for 828 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,920 six months. I swear to God, you're just 829 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,840 like. But. 830 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,080 It's like golf. Exactly, and that's what I was 831 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,160 going to say. It's just like, I knew that's 832 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,880 where you were going to go. I do, yeah. 833 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:29,520 Yeah. You hit. 834 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,520 You can, you know, you can play 17 terrible holes and the 18th 835 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,120 hole, you suddenly you hit the ball, you're like, God, this is 836 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,920 a great game. I I'm coming back tomorrow. 837 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,200 It is so. Strange, you sing, I say. 838 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,000 Golf I was. Thinking about it for season 2 839 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,920 because. All my siblings are college 840 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,600 golfers. No kidding. 841 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,240 I was a radio DJ, but my siblings were college golfers. 842 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,240 And so that makes sense. It kind of does, yeah. 843 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,880 There's not like tons to do, but I it is. 844 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,800 So my knowledge of golf is so bizarre to me, giving who I am, 845 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,000 but it's really helpful in in just meeting dads and 846 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,400 boyfriends. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I. 847 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,640 Can shoot the shit, we can talk about. 848 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,120 Phil Mickelson we can talk about. 849 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,800 Tigers, you know? Yeah. 850 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,880 Callaway Titleist. See, I've got all the hits. 851 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,200 You got the hits. Yeah. 852 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,280 Oh my. God, that's great. 853 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,320 How often do you golf? Oh God, it hasn't been much 854 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,200 recently. OK, sadly, but my son's getting 855 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,040 in, kind of getting into it, and he's 65, so it's a little bit 856 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,120 different. He's a little bit longer. 857 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:21,920 Clubs. Yeah, the clubs. 858 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,200 Are custom great? Swing arc and he can get the 859 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,160 ball a long ways. But I played high school golf in 860 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,280 Yakima. Wow, I did that. 861 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,360 Feels very Pacific Northwest to me it. 862 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,560 Is you know what I mean? Yeah. 863 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,320 Yeah. That feels way before golf 864 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,840 school. I don't have golf school. 865 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,920 High school. But I mean, I think the new 866 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,360 thing is, yeah, every woman I meet their their husband is 867 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,240 golf, golfing every weekend and not hanging out with them in a 868 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,120 really. I think meaningful way there's 869 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,400 some I'm saying there's so there play golf. 870 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,280 Yeah, I'm like, isn't the weekend the one time you 2 could 871 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,160 spend time together? OK, that's cool. 872 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,680 That's interesting. Yeah, so anyway. 873 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,280 I'm so I, I know that so many people would come to my house 874 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,680 and kill me if I didn't talk to you about Sex and the City, OK? 875 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,520 Because this was the one thing that Mary Beth and I did get we 876 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,400 on the way to Charlie's concert in Toronto, We did get you to. 877 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,640 Ourselves, for a second, we were like, we have to talk about Trey 878 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,400 McDougal. Sorry like this is I'm just 879 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,680 curious your experience on that shit like how it came to you and 880 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,240 I, I know a little bit but now I need to hear it again. 881 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,200 Well, it was, yeah. So I was in New York. 882 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,800 I recently met my my wife to be at the time, and we were hanging 883 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,680 out and I think Michael Patrick King, who was a show owner, 884 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,000 Darren Stark, created the show. Michael Patrick King ran the 885 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,480 show and then took over. He they had reached out actually 886 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,960 and said, you know, kind of can we meet Kyle? 887 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,240 We have this idea for character and would he be interested in 888 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,280 this kind of thing? And I was kind of like, I went 889 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,760 to my wife and I said, I don't know, is this show Sex and the 890 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,560 City? I don't know, is this is this a 891 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,560 good show or a popular show? She's like, and I was kind of 892 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,520 like, I don't know if she's. Like you're doing it. 893 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,360 Yeah, She's like, you'll be on Smart Wife. 894 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,600 Yeah, OK. OK. 895 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,320 Well, thank her for me. So I went and I agreed to meet. 896 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,680 So I met with Michael and Jenny Bicks. 897 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,520 I don't know, writers. And we met in New York, in 898 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,760 Manhattan. We just had kind of sat down, 899 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,240 had kind of like a coffee or something. 900 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,520 And they were kind of and and I kind of got kind of more excited 901 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,000 by the idea because, you know, he's he's an Upper East Side. 902 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,200 He's a heart surgeon. You know, he's athletic. 903 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,520 You know, he's this and this. He's kind of the he'll be kind 904 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,040 of like the Prince Charming, you know, dude, this to one of the 905 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,880 girls. And I was like, this sounds, you 906 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,800 know, I could be good because I've been kind of not, not that 907 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,400 I've been battling the sort of Twin Peaks kind of odd guy, but 908 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,040 a little bit kind of like the casting was sort of like, I 909 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,080 mean, they were interesting things. 910 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,160 Was like, all I wanted to do is be like the lead guy, you know 911 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:45,880 what I mean? Yeah. 912 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,400 It's that's the guy. That's funny thing about who he 913 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,600 becomes. Give him that. 914 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,920 That's your first dad, is it? So this is, Yeah, I have 915 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,480 questions. About it? 916 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:53,960 No. No, no. 917 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,440 But yeah, yeah, yeah. So they said I was like, this is 918 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,440 great. So tell me a little bit. 919 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,000 And they were talking and talking and they were like, you 920 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,880 know, he's also, he's really close to his mother. 921 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:04,720 I was like, OK, I was close to mom. 922 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,720 Yeah, Bunny. And they said and he he's he's 923 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,720 got he's he's very basically impotent. 924 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,520 And I was like, I stood there and just like, motherfuckers, 925 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,440 yeah, they pulled me back. Hey, yeah. 926 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,960 And I was like, that's great. OK, You know what? 927 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,120 We're going to make this a serious thing. 928 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,960 We're going to deal with it. And of course, it was, you know, 929 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,000 all comedy. I. 930 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,440 But it was fun I. I think there's something about 931 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,800 that character to me, he is so complicated. 932 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,280 They give you so much. I mean, he then like only likes 933 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,000 like titty mags or something. Sorry if that's not correct. 934 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,480 And then he's like obsessed with those. 935 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,480 But then like there's something, I mean, psychologically there's 936 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,920 a lot going on. And then in the end, he's kind 937 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,440 of a hero. He gives her the apartment. 938 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,440 I don't know. I'm a, I'm a Trey McDougal head. 939 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,720 He, yeah, I think he's a, I think he's a king. 940 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,000 He's that's all. Thank. 941 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,680 You it's very awesome. It's when you approached it was 942 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,280 it is it that seriousness where you're like, we're not? 943 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,760 None of this is funny. It will only be funny in in me. 944 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,280 No, I totally, you know, you could tell it was funny, you 945 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,760 know, and and and but it was nice because they would write 946 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,520 that, you know, that they would turn the scene would be, you 947 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,360 know, there'd be some funny stuff going on and then it might 948 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,920 end like, Oh, that's that's a heart hurter, you know what I 949 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,720 mean? Like just you can't that they 950 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:21,240 did couldn't quite get together and they allowed us, Kristen and 951 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,560 I to to hit those beats. You know what I mean? 952 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,680 Which I think was was really nice amongst, you know, the jugs 953 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,800 magazine. Moment it's just so crazy. 954 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,200 It's like why that show is so incredible. 955 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,600 It's like you have her looking at you saying like I'm your wife 956 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,600 and I'm sexual and I love you and it's like you the titty man. 957 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,440 Yeah. Like that's just, it's just 958 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,960 perfect. I mean, it's really. 959 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,200 They're very clever. I'm and and the relationship 960 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,080 between you and Bunny with the arm touching too that what was 961 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,520 that like working with? Her, that was fun. 962 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,200 She was. She's made her. 963 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,400 Guts in that show, I mean, it's really, it's a an amazing 964 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,840 performance. Yeah, she's a great actress. 965 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,960 Yeah, she was a great actress. She would come in. 966 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,960 I think she lived. I think she was upstate or maybe 967 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,640 up north, the city a little bit. She would come in like working 968 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,200 stocks and Capri get her sands and kind of a thing. 969 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,080 And she was all like, I just came out of the you just came 970 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,440 out of the garden. You were just working in the 971 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,520 garden. They had nothing. 972 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,680 I was like, yeah, she's like. And she would transform into an 973 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,600 Upper East Side matron power with the smoking and the whole 974 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,520 thing that she had. And they just, they were like 975 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,000 the perfect little visual Nuggets between the two of us. 976 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,760 Me in the bathtub, she's sitting on the toilet smoking. 977 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,600 I mean, that's. Charlotte comes in, it's like. 978 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,240 That's heaven. But. 979 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,600 We and we're all like we all knew this is at this is 980 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,160 perfection. Yeah, because it's everything in 981 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,160 just a visual. And it's real. 982 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,800 I'm like there's. I believe all of it and like I 983 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,400 just, I think that the kilts as well, yeah, kind of like. 984 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,840 This like that, there's tradition. 985 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,320 In the family they borrowed. From McLaughlin, they said, oh, 986 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,120 let's make like Kim Scottish and this whole Scottish thing. 987 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,960 And I was like, that's great that one. 988 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,640 And then on the bed, I remember we were testing mattresses and 989 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,920 she was there and she was laying in between me and Charlotte as 990 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,280 we were testing the mattress. Perfect. 991 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,560 You just, you know, it's like we all get this is a very funny 992 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,720 image, you know, but but oh, she was Francis was wonderful, 993 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,440 really great actress and funny, So funny. 994 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,520 And Kristen's so funny. I'm obsessed with her. 995 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,720 She's amazing. Brilliant. 996 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,680 Yeah, the way she plays that part too of this, not the 997 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,680 conservativeness, but there's something really there's so 998 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,760 there's something so sad about all the stories. 999 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,840 I think that's I think I was so influenced by that in everything 1000 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,520 that I love. And I think that's why I in the 1001 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,360 show, I like things that get really sad because like they 1002 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,600 just. I think it also aids the comedy 1003 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,240 because there's something about, I think there's that episode, 1004 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,560 I'm acting like I haven't seen it 12. 1005 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,080 Times I'm like, let me tell you, I'm like episode 5, season 6, 1006 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,600 but there's the. 2022.03. You make a face and I'm curious 1007 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,800 to Yeah, but she's in. Is it town and country or? 1008 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,120 Something and there's that moment and it's like Trey moved 1009 00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,920 out of the house, you know, a week later. 1010 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,400 So and I just something like that. 1011 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,040 I think that's what that show does. 1012 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,640 So beautiful. They were really, they were 1013 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,280 very. There were real moments. 1014 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,640 I mean, everything was real, you know, the comedy was, you know, 1015 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,720 a little bit arch, you know, immediately to tell the story. 1016 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,520 But but the, but the, but the, but the, the love was there. 1017 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,840 It just happened to be this thing that's kind of out of 1018 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,880 their control a little bit, you know, and that's sad, you know, 1019 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,520 'cause you see these people really could be together. 1020 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,080 They should be together, you know, but. 1021 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,800 Because there's that little, there's that brief kind of 1022 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,200 couple episodes where then Trey wants to, like, hook up with her 1023 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,880 everywhere, yeah. You know that. 1024 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,440 Where I'm kind of like, what is going on with Trey? 1025 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,000 We got to what do you remember? I mean, this was yeah, a bit 1026 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000 ago, so just. But do you remember being like 1027 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,520 what did? What was your? 1028 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,640 Take on that. Well, the crazy. 1029 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,800 Thing is human. Problems. 1030 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,960 Or you. Yeah, I mean, I think, but I 1031 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:55,160 also think you kind of have to go with week by week because a 1032 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,880 script would come in and often times I would find myself 1033 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,120 reading it kind of like, OK, do I am I, do I, what am I doing in 1034 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,320 this? Am I taking my clothes off? 1035 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,120 Am I, what are they asking me to do? 1036 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,080 And I was like, like, because I'm pretty shy and I was like, 1037 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,240 OK, But each week, you know, there'll be a kind of a new 1038 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,200 development to the character. So, you know, as you're 1039 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,800 following along, you're kind of like, OK, I'm, I'm, I seem to be 1040 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,440 heading in this direction. So this is what I'm doing. 1041 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,760 And then, oh, OK, it's going to go down here. 1042 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,320 But you just realize that all of this is the character. 1043 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,320 You know what I mean? You're just finding different, I 1044 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,000 don't know, veins to like. And that's a light. 1045 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,400 I mean, you shot an order, right? 1046 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,840 I mean, it's like you. We did. 1047 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,800 Yeah, we did. You're almost seeing it. 1048 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,520 Yeah. If like this is what it's like 1049 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,760 to be a, you know, as a human of going to each of these things. 1050 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,720 It's like, let's, that makes sense, you know, being like, all 1051 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:45,320 right, he wouldn't do that because he did this, I think. 1052 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,000 Sometimes I never say no. I mean, there's a case that we'd 1053 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,240 like this is a little. I saw you with the top and 1054 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,280 bottom Invisaligns, so this is I mean. 1055 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,360 I know this about you. You know, all the way, all all 1056 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,760 in. Of course, of course. 1057 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,880 What do you? If you could do any kind of 1058 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,400 project next, what's what is exciting to you right now? 1059 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,320 What? What do you like? 1060 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,080 I'm dying to play and no one's done it for me. 1061 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,600 Well, the one thing, one thing that I'm really excited about 1062 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,600 actually is this is this world. So I have a podcast that I'm 1063 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,280 about to start. What are we, what's called? 1064 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,320 What are we even doing? And it's, I'm interviewing, I'm 1065 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,440 going to be talking to Wally and I'm going to be talking to, I 1066 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,440 mean, a number of people kind of just to understand the 1067 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,000 different, you know, the Gen. Z, the millennial, even Gen. 1068 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,160 AI mean trying to trying to just talk to them about, you know, 1069 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,200 what are you doing and what's what's happening? 1070 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,440 What's important to you? You know, what are you what, 1071 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,400 what, where's your creative source coming? 1072 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,560 You know, just a little bit more about people that I, you know, I 1073 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,720 want to learn, you know what I mean? 1074 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:45,880 So it's curiosity that's driving that machine. 1075 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,360 So that's, that's on the way right now. 1076 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,560 And project wise, I mean, I, I'm always wanted to do some kind 1077 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,240 of, you know, action, you know, character driven. 1078 00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:56,720 Action. Let's go do an action. 1079 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:57,560 Can we do? That you know what? 1080 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,560 Yeah. So Mission Impossible type. 5 1081 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:00,880 yes. You know what I mean? 1082 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,000 Yes, Dad and son, Yeah, going around. 1083 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,800 Maybe a little smaller budget than the mission. 1084 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,320 Of course, a little, but just a little. 1085 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,240 Just a little. I love action for you. 1086 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:09,920 I think that'd be amazing. It'd be fun, yeah. 1087 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,120 You know, and I'm, I'm, I'm not getting any younger. 1088 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,600 So it's time. And I'm not either. 1089 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,120 We gotta do Season 2, don't I know it. 1090 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,800 Yeah, like I gotta get writing. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I have it 1091 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000 ready, 'cause I'm ready. We don't have that much time. 1092 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,960 If we get to do it, I'm like, let's go before we're they're 1093 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,840 kicking us out of here, which is really fucked up. 1094 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,520 Yeah. To talk to me and my dad like 1095 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,320 that. I have. 1096 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,480 To bring up, I have to bring up the Tik Toks because you, I 1097 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,960 mean, it's a revolution. Thank you. 1098 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,400 Thank. You and I think it's why I knew 1099 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,800 that also you'd be perfect for this because I'm like, you know, 1100 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,800 he loves to he you seem endlessly curious. 1101 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,960 And yeah, and you. Know seeing you in a hot dog a 1102 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,880 hot dog, a costume yeah that's that feels right well and my 1103 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,280 favorite is the Lord of you with the headphones. 1104 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,240 That was doing that early, very early on. 1105 00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,240 One of the first Oh yeah, I've been to Stanford. 1106 00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:03,480 I have just got a great group that I work with and Wells, 1107 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,160 Maya, who's here with us and Maya, we love you and they are 1108 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,080 just so creative so. And I'm like, let's, let's work 1109 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,600 together. And they so they bring me these 1110 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,480 ideas. We kind of we kind of tweak them 1111 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,920 a little, flesh them out. But they are definitely once 1112 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,040 they said, Hey, we got an idea and I said, that's brilliant. 1113 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,400 They are tapped in hardcore in the social and I'm a little bit 1114 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,920 on, you know, I sort of do what I can, but it's like, you know, 1115 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,400 it's, it takes a lot of effort and they bring me some amazing 1116 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,320 things that I am up for all the crazy. 1117 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,400 But you're yeah. And you're good because we did 1118 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,280 the Apple Dance on set. And in it, my boyfriend Terry, 1119 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,320 he was like, you can tell. That Kyle knows the moves. 1120 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,840 That he, I'm like, because we kind of had this bit that you 1121 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,720 already didn't know what to do because she only had like a 1122 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,280 second to learn it. And you kind of you, I see your 1123 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,720 hands twitchy. I'm like, he knows. 1124 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,920 He knows what he should be doing. 1125 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,960 Well, Charlie's amazing. She is so unbelievably. 1126 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,240 Mentioned. Have you gotten to see her in 1127 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,360 the show yet? Oh, yes, yeah, no, she's, she's 1128 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,040 incredible. She. 1129 00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,640 Really. Is I I. 1130 00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:02,600 I'm so and she's such a a fan of yours obviously but. 1131 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,600 I. I think there's something about 1132 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:10,120 her and her work that I'm I'm. It's been so fun to watch 1133 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,800 everyone catch up with her, but they're going to get behind 1134 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,720 again soon. We end bone Charlie. 1135 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,000 That feels right. Perfect. 1136 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,560 Yeah. This was so fun. 1137 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,480 Thank you, I would enjoy it. So I adore you. 1138 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,760 So nice, that's mutual. I cannot wait. 1139 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,840 We have so much more to do.