1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,720 Hey, and welcome back to the A 24 podcast. 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,960 For today's episode, we set up a long distance conversation with 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,160 baby girl writer, director Helena Ryan and her friend and 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,160 baby girl super fan Pedro Pascal. 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,560 You can catch Pedro in two upcoming A 24 movies this year, 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,200 Celine songs materialists and Ari Astor's Eddington. 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,320 And if you haven't already seen Baby Girl, it's now available to 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,600 watch at home and back in select theaters this Valentine's Day. 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,520 Hello, I'm Halina Dyne. And I'm Pedro Pascal. 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,240 And this is the 824 podcast. I like how you say podcast. 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,440 Try to do it in that like way where they get horny with how we 12 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:44,600 speak into. The what is that? 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,120 What is that step when you speak into the it's like, what do you 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,600 call it? AASMRASMR broadcast? 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,680 What were we supposed to talk about? 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,360 We were supposed to say we were supposed to say that how did we 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,960 meet? How did we meet? 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,200 And everyone you you would assume that we would very. 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,880 Well, How I Met. We met in the in the tower. 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:03,920 Right. No, I think we should tell them 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,320 the true story. What is the true story? 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,640 Oh my. God, you were walking down the 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,200 street, a very busy street in New York, and this, this huge 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:19,800 dog got loose and and then suddenly this, this man stepped 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,680 in and just like tamed the dog, it almost killed. 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,960 And then we met. You say to me. 27 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,680 We are starting this off right. Where are you? 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,560 I just arrived in Amsterdam. You're kidding. 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,760 Yeah. I just arrived, this is my house 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,440 in Amsterdam. I'm here because the Netherlands 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,160 decided to give me some award, which I'm of course very 32 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,960 grateful for, but it's also a good reason to fly back and see 33 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,200 my family, so I'm really happy to be here. 34 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,960 Did you really land today? So what time? 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,240 Morning. This month. 36 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,640 What time is it but I? Slept I, I napped. 37 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,480 So I arrived at 630 Dutch time this morning, Amsterdam time. 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,960 And then I napped for a couple of hours. 39 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,920 So now I'm fully awake, because now I'm kind of I'm still on 40 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,400 American Clock in my mind. Only to insist that this be the 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,280 the most boring beginning of any podcast conversation in the 42 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,360 history of podcast conversations. 43 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,280 I I went. What time was your flight? 44 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,120 I'm obsessed with traffic. No no and sleep schedules 45 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,320 people. Find that boring. 46 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,920 I have the same thing. So my flight was at 4:30 New 47 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:24,280 York time in the afternoon and then and it was a six hour 48 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:24,840 flight. OK. 49 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,640 So then just to work this out of my system. 50 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:30,080 And so your flight was at 4:34? 30I arrived at 6:30 in the 51 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,960 morning and then you have a service here that is amazing 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,640 where they take you out of the plane in a little car and they, 53 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:39,320 you know, and they kind of like escort you out and but you. 54 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,800 Slept on the plane. I did not sleep at all. 55 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,920 Oh, so you landed, and now and then you've had a nap in your 56 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:45,880 own home. Big nap? 57 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,360 Yes, in my home, in my own little bed. 58 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,760 OK, OK, OK. And, and that's how I do it. 59 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,440 So I, I kind of surrender to the fact that I cannot sleep on this 60 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,120 specific flight to Amsterdam. I can never sleep. 61 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,520 I just watch movies. I watch The Social Network which 62 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,600 I actually enjoyed for the 600 time. 63 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,160 Yeah, wow. And it's long too, so it'll take 64 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,520 up a a, a a. That's what I thought. 65 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,320 I always download long movies that I love too. 66 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:12,720 This one will take take me further than no And then I took 67 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,720 a good nap. But I'm also obsessed. 68 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,000 I think when you get older, you learn more to anticipate on all 69 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,720 your habits and your fears and your your annoyances and your 70 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,600 frustrated and then you can kind of take care of yourself a 71 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,520 little better. So I always plan like when I 72 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,680 arrive, I plan that I have a whole like that I can nap in the 73 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,200 daytime and that I don't see anybody. 74 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,080 It's just and then I feel better now and then hopefully I can 75 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,360 sleep tonight. That will be the question. 76 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,560 Travel definitely highlights our dependencies in a huge way. 77 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,320 Completely for me saying, because I think if you're a 78 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,200 creature of habit, it's just hard to give up control. 79 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,160 And of course in our lives, which you have to travel a lot 80 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,800 and you're almost never home, right? 81 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,440 Yeah, almost never. So you have to be so adaptable. 82 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,480 It's hard. No. 83 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,000 Do you find that hard? I find it, the anticipation of 84 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,680 it. I find it harder and harder. 85 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,080 And then of course, because it's so habitual and the most and the 86 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,120 more familiar thing to my adult life and even circumstantially 87 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,000 my, my, my upbringing, my body is just completely familiar. 88 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,839 No matter what story I created in my mind, in terms of this 89 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,519 change that is coming towards me, I it's far more familiar to 90 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:24,440 me than staying in one place. You moved a lot, right? 91 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,720 Yeah. We moved a lot, yeah. 92 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,280 And in the instances where we have had to either shelter in 93 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:33,360 place or our industry was paralyzed by a double strike, 94 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,720 etcetera, I found I wasn't uncomfortable not working. 95 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,880 I get it. I get it. 96 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,400 I am a little. I can be lazy. 97 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,240 Me too, same. But, but I definitely was like, 98 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,720 oh, or I don't know, maybe every time the question of nesting 99 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,240 comes up, I, I, I don't know how to, I don't know how to answer 100 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,560 it. And I, and I get very young, I, 101 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,200 I realize more and more that I'm not comfortable with. 102 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:08,200 I feel like I have always sort of judged myself as immature 103 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,080 because I am not sort of like nesting in one place and, and, 104 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,040 and and building a habitual environment in one place. 105 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,920 And I just, I learned that I'm not, I'm just not comfortable 106 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,840 with that, which makes perfect sense in terms of what what I'm 107 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:26,240 used to. What your history is yes, yes, 108 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,280 no, absolutely. And do you then just did you 109 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:31,440 then at a certain moment sort of started to embrace that and be 110 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,360 like, instead of resisting that and thinking that you have to 111 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,800 lead a certain life, do you not feel comfortable with that, that 112 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,120 that's just a fact? I feel comfortable with it 113 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,000 because when we all had to shelter in place during the 114 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,200 early months of the pandemic, it became so clear to me. 115 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,840 And also, I think just in terms of political temperatures and 116 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:55,520 what I can tolerate, tolerate and what I can and cannot 117 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,600 tolerate psychologically, I want to be on the move. 118 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Yes. And I want to talk about baby 119 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,160 girl. How are we supposed to pivot? 120 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:07,160 How are we supposed to pivot to to It isn't it isn't a big pivot 121 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,400 actually, because I remember, you know, getting to see you 122 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,920 very soon after I'd I'd seen the movie and I was such AI was such 123 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,520 a raw nerve when I saw it. I've also been listening to like 124 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,840 conversations because I want to be as polished as I can to talk 125 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:25,040 to you about it. And I've been really curious 126 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,240 also about the kinds of conversations that you've been 127 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,000 having either with audience members or with other 128 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,040 journalists and with other film makers. 129 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:39,440 And I was, I was particularly moved by the idea that I think 130 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:45,320 in North American films, for the most part, there's like such a, 131 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,960 there's like a moral landscape to movies, right? 132 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,800 And that if there are potentially perilous 133 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:57,560 circumstances, then, you know, people need to be, the 134 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,280 characters need to be punished or, or there's a binary idea of 135 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:03,360 like what is heroic and what is villainous. 136 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,840 And it creates like a very, very specific kind of structured 137 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:10,760 catharsis. And I mean, I literally cried to 138 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:16,960 you because it because because one seeing your movie as an 139 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,800 actor, but also seeing it from a a storytelling point of view. 140 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:28,560 There was one part, seeing how a writer and director treated 141 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:35,680 their characters with so much love, frankly, And then the 142 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,600 kinds of performances that that were available to us from Nicole 143 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,560 Kidman, Harris Dickinson, Antonio Banderas, everyone in 144 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,480 the movie had to come from such a special, like care from their 145 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,760 leader. And I don't know, talk about 146 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,640 that. Yeah. 147 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,200 No, no, no thank you. I didn't want to interrupt you, 148 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,600 but no. So first of all, I want to say 149 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,440 that when you had an emotional reaction that is so meaningful 150 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,720 to me because the movie works on I think for for different people 151 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,760 on different levels. You know, some people just find 152 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,000 it entertaining and halt and and think, oh, it's. 153 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,520 Just, well, it is. I mean it is and. 154 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,600 And hopefully it is and, and, and other people find it funny 155 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,640 and, and hopefully it is and all of that. 156 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,840 That's for me personally, of course, this movie is so 157 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,160 incredibly vulnerable, you know, and so full of shame still, and 158 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,840 so there's so many secrets underneath it also that you 159 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,120 might not see or not not everybody sees them and and they 160 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,600 don't have to at all. You can still very much enjoy it 161 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,280 without unpacking every wound that is underneath the story. 162 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:48,000 But I felt that you without even speaking when we were just 163 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,480 cuddling, how would you say embracing each other? 164 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,280 I just felt that very strong connection. 165 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,600 I've had that like five times or six times where I really felt 166 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:02,320 that certain people really saw it's for at its darkest, you 167 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:03,880 know, like also at the other left. 168 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,080 And it's most. And it's most and it's most 169 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,880 innocent. Yes, that that is something that 170 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,960 you said so well that I thought was really beautiful. 171 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,640 I find I found it to be that it was. 172 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,040 Pure. Yeah, so. 173 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,880 Pure. I found it incredibly hot. 174 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:24,560 I found it incredibly sort of tense and thrilling and funny. 175 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,080 You could argue if it's a comedy, you could argue if it's 176 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,400 a drama, you can argue if it's a thriller. 177 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,880 And really it's all of those things, which is that's the kind 178 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,240 of variety that life can actually provide. 179 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,840 And yeah, in the end, for me, it was like a healing montage 180 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,280 basically for the for, for, for the characters to kind of like 181 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:50,880 take these tropes, these taboo subjects, power dynamics or the 182 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,840 the limited ideas that can control relationships between 183 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:59,320 men and women. Love, growing expectation. 184 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,240 I mean, it's endless, really. And so then to to kind of use 185 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:08,920 these, as we call them, kind of tropes from from from erotic 186 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,360 film thrillers that we grew up watching that we loved. 187 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:17,400 Yes, yes, loved. And, and actually use them as 188 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:23,880 doorways to vulnerability. And I honestly, and I'm there's 189 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:28,280 a part of me that feels, I get that feels a little frustrated 190 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:35,800 by how hard it is for people to process something that's so kind 191 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,680 of more whole this is gender swap or this is we're we're 192 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:45,120 we're we're we're deconstructing the idea of me too or, or, or, 193 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,600 or, you know, these kind of limited, I mean, ultimately 194 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,600 people, everyone is enjoying the shit out of this movie as they 195 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,160 should be. And it's doing very well. 196 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,520 And yeah, it is. And I'm wearing a baby girl 197 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,640 sweatshirt right now. Yes, but but I. 198 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,880 So good on you. Thank you very much. 199 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,320 But I wonder if I wonder what, what that is kind of that that 200 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:11,000 that people are are kind of challenged by the movie. 201 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:13,480 Yeah. And I don't, I don't see the 202 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,120 intention to challenge an audience or to provoke an 203 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,320 audience rather than put the characters in challenging 204 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,040 circumstances and experience those challenges in the most 205 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,240 truthful, human way. The yes, absolute and everything 206 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,120 you're saying is exactly what is also on my mind about the movie. 207 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,160 And of course, I mean, I mainly, if I look at where I started 208 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,960 when I started writing and where we are now, of course I'm super 209 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,600 grateful and I'm celebrating and I'm so full of joy. 210 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,960 But I do notice that even though I of course made it from a place 211 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:54,360 of warmth, like you said, and healing and a place of radical 212 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,320 honesty, but I'm sometimes taken aback. 213 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:01,200 And that's of course exactly why I want to make the film by how 214 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,520 people are very drawn to it. You know, they, they all want to 215 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,440 sort of see it. And then some people find it 216 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,840 scary in a way that I don't say this is good and that is bad. 217 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,040 And still people really want to be taken by the hand and guided 218 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,160 towards good and evil. And apparently we are still very 219 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,440 much fighting with ourselves in that sense, because we're all 220 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,080 ambiguous beings, right? We're all light and dark, and we 221 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,840 all have an enormous amount of beautiful thoughts and an 222 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,640 enormous amount of extremely dark thoughts in our head and in 223 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,800 our souls. And if we don't come to terms 224 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,040 with that, that's for me where the real danger lies. 225 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,800 And I think art, whatever, that's a crazy pretentious word, 226 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:44,680 but. I love the word. 227 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,240 I love the word art. Storytelling. 228 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,160 Art, Art, Art, art. Art, art. 229 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,320 But I think us who are in a creative space, whether we are 230 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,720 writers or actors or whatever we are, but I think there is a task 231 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,880 to try to at least address these things and not provide 232 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,520 judgement. Because I think what you, what 233 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,520 we were just talking about, about nesting and about all 234 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,320 these things. I have always felt a lot of pain 235 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,400 in my life that I didn't walk the walk that I was supposed to 236 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,840 walk or you know, like at a certain age should have had a 237 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,320 relationship, I should have had children. 238 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,040 I really wanted all of that. It just didn't happen to me. 239 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,640 And again, these are maybe first world problems, but I think all 240 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,520 of us suffer from this idea. Nicole Kidman says it in the 241 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,880 middle of the movie to her husband, Antonio Andreas. 242 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,080 She says, I want to be normal. I want to be the person that you 243 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,200 like. I want to be what you like. 244 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,920 And I think that's. And it doesn't matter whether we 245 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,960 have children, whether we are nesting, not nesting, whatever. 246 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,600 But we all feel we're aliens and we're imposters and we're 247 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,960 isolated and we want connection. And sometimes what is hard for 248 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,160 me to understand is that I think by being so honest about 249 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,080 complexity, about ambiguity, that we can connect and we can, 250 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,520 a lot of people can in an insanely emotional way with this 251 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,440 movie and and fun way, like a lot of people are watching it, 252 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:09,640 but there's also a lot of resistance because this wants 253 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,640 clarity. And also from me, they are like, 254 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,800 but what is your, are you a feminist? 255 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,680 Like, like, of course I like you. 256 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,720 Did you see the film? And that's an interesting, it's 257 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,720 just very interesting. And then it's also interesting 258 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,840 what it does to me because then sometimes my ego comes, you 259 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,160 know, I can be this holy creature saying, oh, I made this 260 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,080 as a conversation starter, and I did. 261 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,680 But then there's also a side of me that state, yeah, is, is is 262 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,800 like. But don't you see what I'm 263 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,720 trying to do here, you know? And that's what's, I guess 264 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,680 that's what's so challenging is the kind of like the, the, the 265 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,520 purity of intent, you know, and, and using such impure subject 266 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:52,360 matter, which is what I think whether that was very purposeful 267 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:57,440 or not, or whether that kind of came about in an organic way, I 268 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,640 don't know. But it is a silly question for 269 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,840 me to ask. Like what are people feeling 270 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,280 challenged by? It's, it's, it's everyone is 271 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,040 challenged by honesty. None of us are used to be. 272 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,920 I mean, it breaks your heart because it's true. 273 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:15,320 We, we don't, we're not really taught to be honest with 274 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,960 ourselves, with people, because there's so much because you have 275 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,960 to face your fears. Yes, and that's and it sucks. 276 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,400 Yes, you know it's true. You have to face your fears. 277 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,480 You're right and and the ultimate honesty. 278 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,920 Or is death right and we're all going to die? 279 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,680 And what will die is what we're holding on to, these 280 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,840 dependencies and these stories and how to keep ourselves, these 281 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,920 ideas of how to keep ourselves safe, how to keep a marriage 282 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,560 safe, how to keep a job safe. We, we, we grip them at the 283 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,400 expense of, you know, anything sometimes. 284 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,400 Anything, anything. And and we prefer safety over 285 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,840 freedom. Or some idea of safety? 286 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,440 Yes, yes. And and of course, life is 287 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,160 incredibly unpredictable. We have experienced that the 288 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,400 past weeks in our little micro world of Los Angeles and New 289 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,480 York. But life is chaos and and death 290 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,320 is chaos because it can present itself at any time. 291 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,320 And I think therefore, yeah, it's like you said, we we prefer 292 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,680 to see it as a cartoon soon, you know, we prefer to see it and 293 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,840 and we want movies to present to us a world that might talk about 294 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,520 these kind of subject. But then in the end, we want to 295 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,200 be led by the filmmaker towards what our opinion should be. 296 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,040 And when the filmmaker doesn't do that and says no, that's up 297 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,320 to you. Like, I don't know, of course 298 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,120 she has she had sex with her intern. 299 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,560 That is wrong to begin with, of course, but it's up to you. 300 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,000 I'm not going to punish this woman. 301 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,080 I'm just going to let you decide and see you and use your own 302 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,040 imagination to, to create your own opinion if you want to have 303 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,640 one or just to feel something. I just don't want to be a 304 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,640 moralist. I just refuse it because I, I 305 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,560 feel that anything that does do that for me, when I watch that, 306 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,960 then I feel completely left out. So those sexual thrillers in the 307 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,640 90s, I love them until the the end, you know, until the final 308 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,400 act. Then I always felt, wait, this 309 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,079 is not about me at all. So for me, it, this is the best 310 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,680 way to connect. But for a lot of people, they 311 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,880 shy away from that. And that is also what I feel in, 312 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,119 in daily life, You know, I, even when I turned 35 and I still 313 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,720 didn't have the normal life, I felt that other people 314 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,400 instinctively had an issue with it. 315 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,760 Even if they don't, if, even if they were very smart, even if 316 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:37,160 it, it just feels like 1 little animal is walking away from the, 317 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,200 from the flock, from the bigger group. 318 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,680 And I think life scales and we just want clarity. 319 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,880 And on the other hand, if you dare to open yourself up to 320 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,360 something like this, it's, it's super exciting. 321 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,600 Arts is not a place to only show characters that make the right 322 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:53,920 choices. Shakespeare could have never 323 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,720 have, you know, who's Macbeth in that? 324 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,520 Who's Richard the third in that? Like, it makes no sense. 325 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,040 Some people say, you know, but she shouldn't have done that. 326 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,560 And the movie has to make that clear. 327 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,120 The movie does make that clear. But it's still human, you know? 328 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,680 It's still very human. The first instant that I felt 329 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,280 like her loneliness was when Antonio Bandera's character was 330 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:19,000 talking about Hedda Gabler and he says this is about. 331 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,200 Yeah, he says that suicide actress doesn't understand. 332 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,760 Yeah, that she's, he says my, my actress, who plays Harakara, 333 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,480 doesn't understand. She thinks the play is about 334 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,320 desire, but the play is about suicide. 335 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,120 Yeah, yeah. And I immediately was like, 336 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,720 yeah, no. Yeah. 337 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:41,800 It's about desire and that was the first ingredient of like her 338 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:47,320 experience where I started to kind of identify the isolated, 339 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,560 which, and I don't mean to, I don't mean to judge him because 340 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,680 he has such a gorgeous journey that he goes on as well. 341 00:18:54,680 --> 00:19:00,400 And and and I think, you know, understanding had a Gabbler in 342 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,800 in in only one way was sort of the the that's the start of his 343 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,520 journey. Yeah, it is. 344 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,280 Yes, and, and, and his, and he he wants to he what I really 345 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,680 love about how we created that character and also how Antonio 346 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,760 performs it is that he seems to be incredibly warm and open and 347 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,640 he's creative and he doesn't have any issue with her powerful 348 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,160 job. And he kind of feels like the 349 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,000 ideal man. He's strong, he's hot, but they 350 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,480 don't really communicate. Yeah, exactly. 351 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,520 Yeah. No, but it's in this very subtle 352 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,160 way, and I think that is so relatable. 353 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,080 And Nicole and Antonio both did such an amazing job creating 354 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,840 that kind of vibe, that kind of dynamic that was incredibly 355 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,920 laughing and warm. But at the same time, the subtle 356 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,120 miscommunication, the subtle isolation of have being in a 357 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:52,080 very long relationship but not truly daring to be yourself, you 358 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,960 know, and then being more yourself with a complete 359 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,800 stranger, which is of course always so interesting about 360 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,440 intimacy. So much easier. 361 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,040 Yes, to be reborn with someone. You don't know, right? 362 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,600 Yeah. Blank emphas. 363 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,600 Intimacy, I think ultimately, whether people are willing to 364 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,160 admit it or not, is probably the scariest thing for all of us. 365 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,360 Like real intimacy. I I, I, I wouldn't even say I 366 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:16,960 understand. And as I said, I'm your elder 367 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,040 by. Seconds but. 368 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:20,600 Yes. I can't say it's something that 369 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:27,240 I even totally understand, you know, or or feel realized in 370 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,920 and, and everything. So that's I that's why I was so 371 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,400 moved when I when I when I saw you, because one, I love you, I 372 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:43,920 love you. And so I was really celebrating 373 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,720 a friend and then independent of knowing you, I would have had 374 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,360 this experience with the movie that I, I found in, in simple 375 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:56,240 terms, very, very entertaining, beautiful looking and gorgeously 376 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,760 performed, but also really therapeutic. 377 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,320 And, and that that moved me. I, I, I, I, I love movies more 378 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,760 than I love anything. And, and, and have since since 379 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,840 since I was a kid. And so the hunger that I can 380 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,960 feel sometimes that at a certain point that I'm, I'm, I'm not 381 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:23,280 even aware of because I have had such incredible opportunity to, 382 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,280 to be on so many sets for the last several years. 383 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:33,440 I still return to what my origin story is, which is going to the 384 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,320 movies. That's so great, you know. 385 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,080 What do you remember your first movie or one of the 1st that you 386 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,160 ever saw? There's like a a collage of 387 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,680 firsts. There's like Watership Down, 388 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,440 which I remember was traumatizing because my dad was 389 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,800 taking us to see what he thought was an animated movie about 390 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,560 rabbits. And the whole thing starts with 391 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,280 a field turning into blood and then the rabbits are ripping 392 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,600 each other apart. And, and I, it's so, so violent. 393 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,840 I also remember Xanadu. And that probably was the first 394 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,440 movie where I, I, I started to kind of like, I think 395 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,360 participate like by myself, like in the theater where I started 396 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,600 to kind of speak. I didn't understand. 397 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,160 I was so fascinated by the women coming out of the mural in in 398 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,720 Venice Beach And and and then I I started to, I think, talk to 399 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,400 the movie. I remember Superman, except I 400 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,400 went to the bathroom. Why I I went to I just. 401 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,200 Have to go to the. Bathroom. 402 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,840 Yeah, I went to pee and I didn't know how to read yet, so I 403 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,840 couldn't find my way back to Superman. 404 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,040 And I think I went into an Al Pacino movie that I, I thought 405 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,440 that I went into Kramer versus Kramer. 406 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,640 But I realized now I was like, no, it was definitely Al Pacino. 407 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,160 And he was walking down the steps of City Hall. 408 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,960 So it was this movie called And Justice for All. 409 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,360 And I, I, I just, I just went in there and I was lost. 410 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:57,240 And then of course, you, you go into some kind, you go into some 411 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,400 sort of like paralyzed mode and, and, and I, I just sat down and 412 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,960 I think in my fear, I, I, I fell asleep and I remember just 413 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,120 waking up with my parents and a custodian of the movie theater 414 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:13,480 standing over me. And we were leaving and then we 415 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,280 were leaving the theater. So I missed the end of Superman. 416 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:21,360 And then, and my older sister was, you know, teasing me, 417 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,680 telling me, you know, and then this happened and there was an 418 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,960 earthquake. And then Lois Lane, you know, 419 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,680 and Superman makes the world spin backwards. 420 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,440 And I tell her that it happened in my movie too, that the same, 421 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,280 that the same thing happened in the in the Al Pacino movie. 422 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,160 I was like, yeah, and the same thing happened in mine. 423 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,040 Oh my God, that is so cute. And did you ever go to the 424 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,800 theater as a child or not? I. 425 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,840 Started to go to the theater. I think about the my parents 426 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,360 were so young when they had us and they did such a great job. 427 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,080 They were a mess, but they did such a great job because they as 428 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,320 part of, I guess part of making it sort of like bringing us into 429 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,760 their experience. But once my mother understood as 430 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,440 a kid, I was a swimmer. And then I pivoted to, they let 431 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,680 me get into theater, whatever she could find to Get Me Out of 432 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,240 the house in the summer when I was like starting at the age of 433 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,920 12. And then by the time I was 14, I 434 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,720 was I, I got into a performing arts program for high school 435 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,240 that my mother found. And they got season tickets to 436 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,080 South Coast Repertory because we were living in Orange County at 437 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,280 the time. And I saw this play called 438 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,160 Search and Destroy by Howard Corder, which funnily enough is 439 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,760 a, a, a, a very aggressive take on our industry. 440 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,800 But from the late 80s, getting, getting a movie made by any 441 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,640 means necessary. And this predates like Altman's 442 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:53,520 The Player and how I felt about Watership Down and Xanadu was 443 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,600 how I felt about this play when I saw it. 444 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,600 It was, it was, it was actually like the world premiere of the 445 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,200 play. And I, I, I couldn't believe 446 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,800 what I was seeing. And did it scare? 447 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,680 You for your future, because you you knew you want to be an actor 448 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,160 at that point. No, it it later in as a child, 449 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,200 it was always the fantasy. I was hearing you. 450 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,240 No, no, I think I read something that you said that you had that 451 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:20,080 you saw Annie when you were a kid and you felt jealous of the 452 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,760 girl and you were. And that was when you understood 453 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,640 this, like, I want to. I want to, I want to be on 454 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,880 stage. I had the same experience 455 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,920 watching these children in Spielberg movies. 456 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,360 You know, I was like, I'm jealous of Elliot. 457 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:38,800 I want to meet the alien. 100%. And you know, and I. 458 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,640 Totally. I had the same thing with Drew 459 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,040 Barrymore. With any kid, any child in any 460 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,360 movie, I was, I was like. How did they get there? 461 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,360 Yeah, they're like prodigies there, I said to my parents. 462 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:49,800 I want to be like a miracle child. 463 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,480 I want to be like a. Like I really wanted to be like 464 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,760 a A. How the hell did? 465 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,640 You have. Yes, me too. 466 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,360 So fucky. Didn't I remember reading the 467 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:01,040 stories that Steven Spielberg met the Heather O'Rourke who 468 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,640 played Caroline and Poltergeist like in a in a in a park. 469 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,040 And I was like, what park? So. 470 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,600 What part do I I even know God. I was so obsessed with it. 471 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,280 I even I started to I started to lie. 472 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,480 I remember trying to convince somebody that it was that I was 473 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,400 Christian Bale on the poster of Empire of the Sun It. 474 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Was amazing. A genius. 475 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,320 Yeah, that's me. And then I told people that. 476 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,880 I told people all, Speaking of our beloved David Lynch, I told 477 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,440 everyone that I was going to be in Twin, that I was, that I was 478 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,000 going to be in Twin Peaks. Oh. 479 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,640 Before it premiered on I think, I don't know, ABC. 480 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,360 Oh. Wow. 481 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,760 And all those lies, all they all those lies always caught up to 482 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,120 me. By the way, they always caught 483 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:48,440 up to me. In a bad way. 484 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,640 In a terrible way. In a terrible way. 485 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,360 But The Twin Peaks was such a huge thing back then, right for 486 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:58,680 our generation, because we lift inside that thing like everyone 487 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,760 was watching because it was still network TV, of course, and 488 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,440 it was all over the world. Everybody was watching it and 489 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,840 it's formed. It shaped our brains and how we 490 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,560 thought about sexuality and everything of romance and 491 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,840 tension. I was so scared to watch it too. 492 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,760 I was so it's. It's borderline horror. 493 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,000 It's borderline, you know, it's so and also because it goes so 494 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,440 deep, it's so scary and kind of like an existential way right 495 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,080 about oh, when I would when I would finish an episode, I would 496 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,920 always be afraid that I would go into a psychosis because I was 497 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,920 so crazy what he was creating and so new at that time also. 498 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,360 So yeah, really, really beautiful work on my. 499 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,960 Mind that show because you have a you have, you have a film 500 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,200 career that hasn't even come close to catching up with your 501 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,440 theater career. Like when did it? 502 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,920 When did it just start in school? 503 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,480 Yeah, it started because we, we grew up really, really extreme. 504 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,120 So we were not allowed to see TV or magazines or anything because 505 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,720 we were. I was going to say, where did 506 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,280 you find Twin Peaks and Stand and stuff? 507 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,480 Well, the thing was that our babysitter was that we did have 508 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,520 because my parents were both very centered and focused on 509 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,200 their art. They were both artists and they 510 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,040 were basically making art all day and we were not allowed to, 511 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,640 you know, really talk to them. And so we had this basic and she 512 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,760 was so bored because we didn't have any toys, only like wooden 513 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,800 blocks because we were supposed to use our imagination. 514 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,240 She took us to see Annie against and I met my parents would have 515 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,640 never allowed it, right? And it did change us. 516 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,360 It did completely change us as they feel. 517 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,680 Your parents were right. They were rights. 518 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,480 But then my dad, he kind of understood that there was no way 519 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,160 that he was going to prevent that. 520 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,960 I wanted to be a child star. And so he thought the best way 521 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,240 to solve that was to build a theater in our garden. 522 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,200 Garden for me so I could just make theater. 523 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,640 So I started to do that, and then I just knew I was. 524 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,280 But I really wanted to be famous too. 525 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,640 Like I didn't want it in the way my parents were doing it. 526 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn't want to be an artist. 527 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,400 You wanted to be a star. But where do we start? 528 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,880 Yeah, me too. Yeah, right. 529 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,760 Yeah, it really was both. And I wanted to just do it in a 530 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,000 very traditional way. You know, I didn't want my 531 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,480 parents were. So of course, now that I look 532 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,840 back on it, I I applaud them for their courage. 533 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,200 But then I thought it was so like, why would you make art if 534 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,800 nobody is serious? Because they, they were of this 535 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,200 very radical painters and video artists. 536 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,920 And so I then, and then I just became obsessed. 537 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,760 And I started working when I was I think 15 or something. 538 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,400 And then, and my dad died when I was 10. 539 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,200 And when he died, yeah, it suddenly had a lung embolia. 540 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,440 And when he died, my mom turned out to be more normal, you know, 541 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,400 then then she sort of presented as and then we, she, she bought 542 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,480 ATV and then slow and then we could watch it Twin Peaks and 543 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,280 so. She had sort of permission to 544 00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:01,200 kind of like, be who. She, yes, who she really was. 545 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,760 And and and we got a little more influence of the outside world. 546 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,320 And then I yeah. And then when I was 18, I just 547 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,280 went to theater school. And then I, I played Ophelia was 548 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,040 my first role. And then my career took off. 549 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,400 But I always had back in the back of my minds. 550 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,560 And I'm also fascinated because I know that you wrote a play. 551 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,560 Honestly, I thought that the child who played Annie made the 552 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,480 movie. Right. 553 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,240 Of course it's her world. I, I, I, I, I I. 554 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,200 I thought the same thing when I saw the movie. 555 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,680 I never understood that actors didn't make the thing 556 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,880 themselves. Only later did I understand. 557 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,760 Oh, and so I always was interested in all the other 558 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,840 layers of it, you know, and then and then, and I think what my 559 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,360 mistake was in my life, I was so hungry and I acted so much and I 560 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,080 did so much that I it, it just was too much. 561 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,600 I developed a very serious stage fright. 562 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,480 So we were constantly touring the world because Eva von Hoeve, 563 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,240 the director I was working with, was discovered by Scott Rudin 564 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,520 and that made him so popular worldwide to me. 565 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,040 So I would one week be in China playing this and the next week 566 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640 in another continent playing another role. 567 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,680 And it was all leading roles had a Gabbard. 568 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,240 And whereas Dole's house was Shrew, Morning becomes electric 569 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:10,880 and all along. And. 570 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,080 It was too much. It was too. 571 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,160 And then I lost. I started. 572 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,680 To you were playing those parts simultaneously. 573 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,680 Yes, simultaneously and. And you're going to call it 574 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,640 stage fright. Yeah, that's true. 575 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,160 Actually. That is true. 576 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,200 It was wild. It was so wild. 577 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,400 And then at a certain moment I did a play with Jude Law, 578 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,080 Obsession directed by. He came to join the company, 579 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,840 which was amazing. And we did a play with him and 580 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,960 he was the one to kind of be like this is. 581 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,840 This is this. Is what you're doing. 582 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,240 Right, right, right. And he really gave me the 583 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,440 confidence. This is not like mentally 584 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,960 sustainable. No, and it takes an outsider, of 585 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,120 course, because when you're in it, it's it is also amazing, 586 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,520 right, because you see all these different cultures and you're 587 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,040 bringing art to places where that is unimaginable that you 588 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,440 like bring the kind of theater that we were making. 589 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,000 And then, but it took an outsider for me to tell me that 590 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,600 I could also be on my own and be creative. 591 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,280 And that's when I started to write Instinct, my first movie 592 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,800 in the wings and started to think, oh, maybe I should be a 593 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,280 little more my own motor and and create my own. 594 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680 Stories, right? So what you're fucking telling 595 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,000 me, basically is that you were playing all of the greatest 596 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:31,080 female characters in theater history all around the world, 597 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,120 and in the midst of that, you wrote a fucking movie. 598 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,440 I have wasted my life. I I could have the things I 599 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,400 could have been doing sitting in my trailer on the fourth Law and 600 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,480 Order production. So I did write that with other 601 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,320 people. I didn't write that on my own. 602 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,160 It was my escape, you know, It was funny if I look back. 603 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,360 It was almost like you're taking care of yourself. 604 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,240 You're sort of like feeding the thing that your mind, your 605 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,880 heart, your soul needed. That instead of serving 606 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,800 something you were serving, you started to serve yourself. 607 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,920 Yes, exactly. And I think for us as actors, 608 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,600 because I still consider myself an actor even though I don't act 609 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,720 anymore, but you have to be so aware of boundaries. 610 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,080 And I'm not talking about physical and intimacy 611 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,520 boundaries. I'm talking about spiritual 612 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,120 boundaries. Because of course we are kind of 613 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,680 to stay with your career, but we are kind of gladiators. 614 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,240 We go into the ring and. We're and. 615 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,400 There's a lion and there's. You give total? 616 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,720 Yeah, completely. You give everything, you're an 617 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,440 open wound. You give your body, literally 618 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,920 you give your body and then everything that your body 619 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,920 brings, which is your fucking mind and your heart and your 620 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,280 thoughts and your fears and, and your ambitions and your, your 621 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,680 everything. And there are so many different 622 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,720 types of actors, you realize, and that doesn't mean in terms 623 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,160 of process, but in terms of the way their minds work. 624 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280 There are writers that are, there are actors that are 625 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,920 writers, even if they haven't written, you know, yes, it's 626 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,480 very true. And they're they're real entry 627 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,600 way is is from a writers point of view. 628 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,680 And they write in in in the moment. 629 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,320 I'm trying to kind of like I'm still, you know, in my identity 630 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,040 crisis because I've never belt. I've never felt that comfortable 631 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,199 speaking from like the character's point of view. 632 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,320 Like I've never been comfortable with limiting the way I'm 633 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,719 understanding a job from the point of view of a character, 634 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,800 which is always, I've always judged as a failure on my part 635 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,520 as an actor in a way. And now that I'm getting older 636 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,679 and these kinds of things that that that we build shame around 637 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,440 just aren't good for our cortisol levels like basically. 638 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,480 It's true. You know what I mean? 639 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,679 It's kind of the nice thing about aging is where you're just 640 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,760 like that kind of stress doesn't it's not good for me and it's 641 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,120 making my face puffy, you know what I mean? 642 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,120 So I'm going to start letting this shit go. 643 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,200 I'm become I'm more honest with myself where I I do, I think 644 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,920 more producorially. I'm not thinking about the 645 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,600 budget, so maybe more in a in maybe like kind of understanding 646 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,600 what the director is after and not what the. 647 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,440 Whole film is and not what? The whole picture is I need to, 648 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,600 I think, I think both need to be serviced. 649 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,440 I, I, I, I, I love to still face the challenge of servicing like 650 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,320 the point of view of of a character. 651 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,960 But I know that what happens more naturally to my mind is the 652 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,280 big picture. Yes. 653 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,880 And how to place myself and how to place myself in it. 654 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:42,080 Which makes me a very frustrated actor because I'm like, I don't 655 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,360 know, great. Yeah, it is. 656 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,800 I think as actors, it's to find the sort of balance between 657 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,320 speaking up and and speaking your mind and surrendering. 658 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,200 Is is is a very interesting balancing act. 659 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,360 And of course, I stayed with one director for hundreds of years 660 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,200 because I trusted him. And I, yeah, I couldn't function 661 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,840 very well. Of course, I did movies to make 662 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,120 money, to be honest with you. But I had a hard time because I 663 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,440 felt I'm giving so much when I asked. 664 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,760 Like I just felt I'm just literally giving. 665 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,600 I'm a Scorpio. I'm a total control freak. 666 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,880 So to give over, to say, OK, here, Pedro, you can have my 667 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,160 heart here. Do do it. 668 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,360 Throw it around. As for me, because I'm a kind of 669 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,320 actress, I just have to really trust you. 670 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,760 Like I'm not holding back, you know, I just go and give you 671 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,400 everything. And so I could only really do 672 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,040 that with EFO because I knew I trusted what he was making in 673 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,880 the actual, like you said, I trusted the the bigger picture. 674 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,200 I trusted his message. I trusted I thought it was true 675 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,800 art. And because he was very prepared 676 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,480 and he created clarity and within that clarity, I could 677 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,400 completely let go. And that is something that I do 678 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,360 for my actors. I tried to do as well, you know, 679 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,640 where I I created an incredibly thought true prepared construct, 680 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,080 and within that construct I create hopefully a space in 681 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,800 which they can be dangerous and electrifying with each other 682 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,480 without being unsafe. Safety and trust. 683 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,000 Yeah, Safety and trust. Safety and trust. 684 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,600 Of course, intelligent actors, you know, they crave more than 685 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,800 just to hear what, you know, to get an assignment. 686 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,040 They also need to know, what are we doing? 687 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,840 What is this? What is the goal of this? 688 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,840 What are we saying with this? What is the tone? 689 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,880 What is it? How can I help author that? 690 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,320 How can I help? How can I? 691 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,520 How can I help author the potential potential of what 692 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,560 we're doing here? You know, of course, of course. 693 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,760 But you're made to build so many different muscles just to kind 694 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,200 of like serve an assignment in a different way because sometimes 695 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,520 it's just not you. You, you also have to in some 696 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,680 instances you just adjust to every single, every single 697 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,080 experience is different. But I can I can completely 698 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,000 understand. I have not had that experience 699 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,320 of being able to kind of work with one person that I've had 700 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,400 the amazing experience of different people providing 701 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,160 different experiences for sure. But to be somebody's sort of, I 702 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,320 guess, I don't know, to kind of like have a muse relationship, I 703 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,560 suppose with someone. And then to break out into into 704 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,680 your own authorship of storytelling, which had to have 705 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,280 been there from the beginning. And your your journey from 706 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,280 wanting to be a star to working with like the highest form of 707 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,800 theater art as we understand it in our generation to telling 708 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,640 your own stories. It's it's like in a crazy way, 709 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,440 but not to use the the tragedy of losing your father so young, 710 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,800 but what are the doorways that kind of open so that you get to 711 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,560 step into the person that you've always been? 712 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,560 Yeah, beautifully sad, you know? Yeah, Yeah. 713 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,040 No, totally. And I think that losing my 714 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,880 father, I definitely think that that made me the kind of ideal 715 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,400 muse because I was craving. We're looking for a father, of 716 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,680 course. And I had no issue also with 717 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,160 having that position there. Of course, you know, it felt 718 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,840 very incredible to me. Because that needed to be fed. 719 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,200 To have of course, that kind of safety and someone who is so 720 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,000 clear as Evo was for me, you know, that was amazing. 721 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,520 But then to become your own father, right, You have to 722 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,240 become a father of yourself and to yourself and to. 723 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,720 And as a director, a writer, director, you a parent. 724 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,320 You're the parent. You're like you're you're you're 725 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:27,200 all roles, ultimately the parent of an entire a cast and a crew. 726 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,240 That was an interesting transition, especially because 727 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,240 my acting career was, look, you can also be an actor that 728 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,160 creates their own theatre group or especially in Europe, there's 729 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,440 all sorts of forms of acting. But my acting was incredibly 730 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,960 like traditional, right? I was really part of a huge 731 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,200 company that travelled the world. 732 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,080 You, you were told what to do. You heard this is you're gonna 733 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,760 do this, this, this, this and I wanted I cultivated that very, 734 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,680 very much so to go from that to then having tell other people 735 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,960 what to do on the set was felt like a big leap. 736 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,840 But I think what I for me, what my drive also is, is that I want 737 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,600 to be the director in movies that I never had and I really 738 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,880 want to just createspace for the talent of others. 739 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,000 You know that when I write, I'm of course just writing also the 740 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,400 most juicy parts for the actors that I would want to play. 741 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,440 You know, like it's. All about my my movie you could 742 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,080 also almost see in some ways as a therapeutic exercise, right? 743 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,000 That's how I, I mean, for me, that's literally what I'm trying 744 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,240 to do to create these safe spaces with these characters in 745 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,480 which they almost do therapy with each other, but they're 746 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,360 also actors exercises because they go, there's all these ships 747 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,920 where they go in and out of their performance. 748 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,920 The whole movie is of course, about the idea that humans have, 749 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,040 especially women, but that they have to perform different roles 750 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,160 in life to be perfect, to be loved. 751 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,400 And so we, we took that and, and directly created a tone out of 752 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,560 that, which is that they constantly go in and out of 753 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,080 their roles. They go like, get on your knees. 754 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,680 Oh, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it like that. 755 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,880 You know, like they constantly show that they're acting, break 756 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,800 it through the 4th wall. And that is so much fun for 757 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,760 actors because then they can tap into their full range and, and 758 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,280 it says something about life because we are performing and we 759 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,120 do. What is it to be your authentic 760 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,360 self? What does that even mean? 761 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,440 Does that even exist? It's such an interesting 762 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,160 existential question. Well, it's helping me understand 763 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,880 so deeply why I reacted the way I did when I saw the movie. 764 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,080 So I feel so much less crazy. I mean, I wrote you, I said I 765 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,560 feel torn open, you know, and it's helpful to understand 766 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,320 because I think that the kind of environment that you're saying 767 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,680 that you all of the intention that you put into it, just as a 768 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,800 writer, as a director and as a leader of a group and an 769 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,000 environment, I felt all of that in seeing it. 770 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,320 And so nothing. I'm just glad I'm not going 771 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,560 through some sort of, you know, that it's not a continuing 772 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:49,360 extension of my midlife, of my midlife crisis where like, I see 773 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,840 a friend make something beautiful and I can't get over 774 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,040 it for days and days and days, No. 775 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,320 For me, that was the most beautiful reaction I can get. 776 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,200 Can I just give a shout out to everyone in your movie, to 777 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,760 Nicole, to Antonio, to Harris and how much I have been 778 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,880 cramping His style is, as us Gen. 779 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:19,760 Xers like to say, by, by, by, by by trying to do his dance and 780 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,080 just just just fanboying over his performance. 781 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,920 Because I think that it is something that without him, it's 782 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,000 almost like it relied on him being as good as he was for the 783 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,920 entire thing to work in a way. I mean, look, all of that does 784 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,880 not take away. You can't take you can't take 785 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,080 nothing takes a fraction away from anyone, anything in that 786 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,520 movie. Because Nicole, whom I have 787 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,160 seen, I saw a dead OK, when I mentioned South Coast Repertory 788 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,520 before. So that was the very first 789 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,840 acting class I took in my life when I was 12 years old. 790 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:59,000 It was like a kids workshop, play theater, a day theater camp 791 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,680 kind of thing. Right across the street was an 792 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,840 Edwards movie theater in Costa Mesa, Costa Mesa, CA. 793 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,800 And sometimes my mother couldn't pick me up in time for when the 794 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,240 class was over. And, and the gift was I would 795 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,480 get to go across the street and watch a movie and then she would 796 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,640 come get me. And they didn't care what I saw. 797 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,800 And I saw Dead Calm. Wow. 798 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,320 It was not rated R, it was PG13 if I remember correctly, because 799 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,320 I got the ticket myself and I wasn't thirteen years old. 800 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,760 But they didn't, I don't know, they didn't give a shit or my 801 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,520 mother got it for me when before she dropped me off at the class 802 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,680 so that I had the ticket for the later showing and then she would 803 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,480 come and pick me up the whole, you know thing. 804 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,800 Anyway, so that's that's all to say it's a very long way of 805 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,520 telling you where I started with Nicole Kidman. 806 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,200 Yes, you know, and. How young you started? 807 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,160 And how young I started and as a kid being like, who the fuck is 808 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,720 that? You know, her and baby girl is 809 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:08,160 just, we can go into a whole other a whole hour of what it 810 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,360 means. I think for a woman of her 811 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:17,800 talent and and and career to, to to step into a role with so much 812 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,400 vulnerability. But what's interesting is that 813 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,000 it isn't new. It's not like, whoa, Nicole 814 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,920 Kidman did this. No, that's what she's always 815 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,200 been doing. Like, you know, it said. 816 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,400 The projects haven't been the same, but she's always been 817 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:36,040 like, let's call it game, right? Always open, open. 818 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,080 And an athlete as an artist, like, like, like. 819 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,160 Yeah, yeah. Yes, absolutely. 820 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:48,080 So to see even, I don't know, to to kind of see her in a 821 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:54,200 circumstance as an artist, as an actor, to not be negotiating any 822 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,160 limitations. It's an event, you know, And 823 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:07,320 then for Antonio to kind of like be just as virile as he's ever 824 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,800 been in terms of a presence, like it just comes onto the 825 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,240 screen and it's on, you know, and you're just like, yes, you 826 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:20,720 know, he's so enrapturing to look at, to listen to and then 827 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,840 as an actor so grounded and then so, so vulnerable is a is a wild 828 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,600 card in and of itself. And then between the two is 829 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,080 Harris, who's the young hot guy that ultimately none of it with 830 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,680 these perfect circumstances, it still might not have worked had 831 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:43,440 Harris not been as kind of like convincing and complex and all 832 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,000 and and and similarly of of vulnerable. 833 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,760 Yes, and technically insanely talented. 834 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,680 You know, someone who you can actually ask, like what we were 835 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,480 talking about as far as acting in style and tone and going in 836 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,800 and out of your role and, and going from dominant to extremely 837 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,520 vulnerable and also bringing yourself into it. 838 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,160 You know, it's instead of thinking I'm crawling into the 839 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,960 skin of this other person. I of course love for actors to 840 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,600 bring radical honesty to the performance and bring them to 841 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,560 their own hearts and soul. And he does that and yeah, that 842 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,800 is phenomenal. I agree with you. 843 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,480 Because he, it is such a young man. 844 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,800 You know, the character is so young and has to dominate her 845 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,080 with his mind. Not, I'm not talking physically, 846 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:23,800 but. It's a mind. 847 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,360 Game, you have to be able, you have to bring that to the and 848 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,320 it's it's intimidating. To to be the first person in the 849 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,320 movie, The first character that understands it as a safe space 850 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:40,160 and confused when actually you're insisting that that that 851 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,800 that these are real threats when really this is the only 852 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:49,160 opportunity that we have to explore ourselves in safety. 853 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,360 And, and he is the messenger of that to. 854 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,760 Me. And that's very unexpected. 855 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,200 He's so perplexed by like, he's like, I, I can't remember. 856 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,880 But he says something like, why would you think I would do that? 857 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,200 Like you keep on thinking you think I'm going to ruin your 858 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,200 marriage. It's like that. 859 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,920 I would do that to you. I wouldn't do that to you. 860 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,560 I'm threatening to do that to you, but I'm not going to do 861 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,320 that to you unless I'm remembering the movie 862 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,760 incorrectly. No, no, but no. 863 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,640 But what he does so well is also that of course the character is 864 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,240 created like you say, like almost like an Angel kind of 865 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,520 figure, a fairy, like how he's introduced is pure fairy tale. 866 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,240 What we just talked about with the dog, you know, and how, and 867 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,320 he is, of course, everything he's he has a dark side, he has 868 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,560 a light side, he's sensitive, he takes his time. 869 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,280 He he is the therapist, if you will, you know. 870 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,560 So it is kind of like it's, it's a mythological character and to 871 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,840 play that on such a human level. To ground that, yeah. 872 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,520 To ground that, to anchor that is incredible, is incredible, 873 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,280 and to make it so funny because that is of course something so 874 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,600 darkly so funny. I saw it with a friend and I'm 875 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,960 not going to call her out, but I saw it with AI. 876 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,400 You know, I saw it with a friend and when the the the first 877 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,080 instant that he said shut the door, she literally yelped, 878 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:07,040 slash squealed slash, some sort of human sound that came out of 879 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:13,320 her and let's end it on that. Let's end it on that you would 880 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,280 saw that came out of her and also your dance. 881 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,200 Can I just say thank you publicly? 882 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,040 Well, not only everybody, all my male friends, some of my exes 883 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,120 have called me and asked me how, how, how, how does he dance like 884 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,400 that? Not about Harris. 885 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,000 What about you? I well, you, I was. 886 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,320 That was performance art. Helena, when do you come back 887 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,680 from Amsterdam? I so I tend to stay a week and 888 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,000 then I go to New York and then I come to LA. 889 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,400 When February, Where will you be? 890 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:47,760 I will be here waiting for you. As you should. 891 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,040 Yes, exactly as. You should exactly thank you 892 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,000 Pedro, I love you so much. Love you a lot. 893 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,880 Bye, bye. Thanks for listening. 894 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,720 The A 24 podcast is produced by us A 24. 895 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,640 Special thanks to our editor Tom Wyatt and Robot Repair, who 896 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:05,440 composed our theme.