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You're you're, you've got this 
cool. 

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Like what is that called? 
Your tonal. 

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Is that right? 
I guess that's. 

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Tonal. 
I don't know man. 

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Tonal with a touch of Wes 
Anderson, have you? 

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Seen the tonal workout thing? 
The home exercise thing. 

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Tonal like get your body into 
you've seen it. 

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No, I want to know what you. 
Think of that. 

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OK, what should we begin? 
We. 

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We. 
I think we began. 

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This is Jason Schwartzman. 
I'm I'm Jason. 

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This is Adrian Brody. 
And we're here. 

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I'm Adrian Brody, and we're here
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A 24. 
On the A 24 podcast, which I 

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might add is quite ingenious. 
Yeah, it is. 

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As you are in an A 24 film. 
Yeah. 

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And I just happened to be in a 
How crazy film. 

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I know. 
And you're wonderful. 

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And you're wonderful. 
Well, come on, let's well. 

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You were unrecognizable at 1st 
and then. 

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Yeah, well. 
I loved, I loved that I loved 

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seeing you. 
You were so free and you 

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revelled in that freedom. 
And it's a funny thing and I've 

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seen you in lots of work and, 
but obviously we've worked 

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together with Wes so many times 
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of Wes's work and what it brings
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mannerisms, etcetera. 
And it was so nice seeing you in

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this other landscape, so to 
speak, right. 

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And I loved it. 
I really loved it how at ease 

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you were and it was great. 
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it primarily because most of our
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together with Wes and, and and 
that even off camera dictates a 

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certain kind of rhythm in all of
us because we're we're in this 

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kind of universe and you were in
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That's so interesting space. 
And I got to watch you from a 

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new perspective as an as, as a 
great actor and doing your work 

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completely, you know, free of 
any of that. 

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And and I thought it was really 
special and I wanted to share 

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that with you anyway, even if we
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together, but I did, I do. 
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I mean, and I mean I feel like I
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and it was such an interesting 
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because I'm sitting there going 
like I I felt so much love and 

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curiosity and mystery about this
person. 

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I've never seen anything like I 
mean your performance that it is

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next level. 
Like to me. 

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It's like, I feel like it's the 
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people do like when they have 
like a really incredible like 

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game where they go like he hit 
10 RBIs. 

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He, he made history that night, 
You know what I mean? 

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Where someone does like a where 
they get into a flow. 

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So a lot of flow and you know. 
It's like I don't know how to 

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how? 
You don't have, I mean, I, and I

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hope I'm not being industry, but
you wrote me the most beautiful 

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note like ever yesterday after 
the screening and I, I just was,

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I was really moved. 
By that oh man, I've. 

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Been moved by that and yeah. 
It was funny. 

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I was on my on the way home, I 
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there seemed to be an accident 
on the freeway and so everything

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was at a dead standstill. 
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in this contemplating car that 
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just looking out the window just
like thinking of second 

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intermission. 
It was like truly like it was 

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like a yeah. 
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an amazing thing to have the 
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myself in this vehicle looking 
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And, and I mean, I have so many 
things that I would want to ask 

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you about and so many things I'm
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and just. 
Everything that you want to talk

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about, we could talk about the 
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And I'm happy to. 
I'd love to. 

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And I love, you know, I'm, I'm, 
I'm really, yeah. 

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Grateful you were there last 
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Oh my God, I man, I just, you 
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blown away by it and I'm, I'm, I
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I wish I had a thesaurus at 
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I love this. 
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happened. 
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the movie begins, he's beginning
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setbacks, but things are going 
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Like things are moving along and
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to. 
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intermission. 
I felt this terrible feeling, 

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yes. 
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amazing how it was structured 
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like, oh boy, like, you know 
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like the whole first part of it.
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past, which I haven't seen, and 
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what's about to happen yet. 
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thing. 
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there. 
Everyone got up, you know, they 

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all go. 
I'm just like, sitting there. 

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Like Holy I. 
Find it the same way I can't 

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get. 
Up, I couldn't move. 

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I was, yeah, I was like, and I 
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like, what is going to happen 
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I mean, and, and anything could 
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And I was just, I just thought 
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And I thought also what's 
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I mean, is it OK if I talk about
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End you can talk about. 
Anything is at the end of the 

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movie, the speech that your 
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You learn so much more about 
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end. 
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that was an incredible thing 
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Like we've gone the whole movie 
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And then fine. 
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at the end and it's like one 
last thing that you and you're 

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like, wow. 
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your face when you're sitting 
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And, and, and the other thing 
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imagine if you were really at 
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retrospective like that. 
That's just one, that's just one

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building in their life. 
And you think about all that and

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you think about when you walk 
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retrospective of any artist, 
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And, and there must be one of 
those stories. 

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Yeah. 
I think it speaks to what we all

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yearn for as our artistic people
and is to at the end, the end of

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that road of this journey of 
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what is left behind and that and
and what that what we're what 

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we're sharing and what what how 
those works speak to one another

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and and how they open 
conversation. 

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And I know like my mother, who's
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for me, as you know. 
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Yeah, well, she's, she's the, I 
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this. 
She thought she says hi too. 

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She's never one, but she, she's 
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But she, she's spent her whole 
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towards her work and leaving 
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to, to play Laszlo and to 
reference my grandfather and his

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journey as a Hungarian immigrant
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his new life and starting again 
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I, I just was so, so moving to 
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within context to my own life 
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and my own good fortune to have 
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American actor and not facing, 
you know, I could have been 

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Hungarian, I could have been 
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an, my accent so that I can 
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get a role that it's just so 
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It's so hard for, for people 
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And I really understand that and
respect that and wanted to help 

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tell that aspect of this story. 
So I think it's very relatable 

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you. 
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movie and all these scenes Peter
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working I there was something 
about this character I can't 

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describe, but it's like it was 
like a funny scene, huh. 

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It's a funny scene. 
Isn't it great? 

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And just like or he's saying 
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Like I will like he's saying we 
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he repeats it like over and 
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And I, I just love, I love it 
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They always inverted it. 
My grandparents always and my 

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mother still does. 
They can't. 

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It's always the West and the V 
They're opposite. 

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It's always. 
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So it's so familiar to me. 
I know it's. 

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It's just, it's just beautiful. 
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said, just keep going. 
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next to people I didn't know. 
I didn't people I didn't know at

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the movie. 
I didn't know who I was sitting 

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next to last night. 
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When it was over, I just was 
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tell you everything, I think. 
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this character because he's so 
strong and and I trust this guy 

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so much. 
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with like a thin layer of ice 
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So he broke quickly, which was 
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see and I couldn't imagine. 
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technical levels, watching it 
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Like they haven't cut. 
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and now look where we are. 
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watching it and it's like you 
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then it's like when they pour 
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that's your character. 
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like there, you would just break
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just so beautiful and and and it
really was like I really hadn't 

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experienced that in a long time 
where it was like where it 

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really was like watching. 
I felt like sports, like I 

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didn't know what was going to 
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so much of that the director 
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where they're going, because I 
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people just cut they just cut to
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they're just but I love like 
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I know what you mean. 
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everywhere, I loved seeing it 
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me, that's the story was 
everyone getting somewhere, you 

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know, And it was just like I, I 
loved those moments just 

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following when there was no 
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just walking from one room to 
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It was just like really, it was 
refreshing to to see that and, 

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and, and, and just beautiful. 
And it's funny because did you 

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have a lot of ephemera and stuff
or relics or archives of your 

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life of your grandparents? 
I have deep, deep memories and 

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we have some stuff I actually 
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And I don't know why he did it, 
but I remember, you know, he had

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this old, remember those old 
rectangular tape recorder with 

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the cassette. 
Of course with the. 

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Push the red button to get into 
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Really chunky, nice. 
There was a very practical, 

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everyone had that. 
That's how you would record 

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something and built in my and I,
my mother has a recording. 

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I don't know if she recorded it 
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it, but I remember him trying to
get work and he aspired to be an

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actor too. 
And but he was trying to get 

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work and he would, he had a 
recording of this. 

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And I've heard this recording 
and he sounds very much, even 

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even more extreme than Laszlo's 
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But, and he would introduce 
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maiden name is Plachy. 
And he would say Plachy and say 

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it again. 
And I would like to apply for 

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the job. 
And what he and you could hear 

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the pause on the other end of 
the line. 

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And he would. 
Yes. 

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Oh, OK. 
Thank you. 

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Thank you. 
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and he'd call again someone 
else. 

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And I really remember what a 
struggle it was to go from. 

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He was a very charismatic man. 
He was very, very handsome. 

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And he was very, you know, he, 
he had a quite a life there to 

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go from that the hardships that 
they endure, the, the, the 

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there's so many details that are
very personal that aren't really

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just for public consumption, but
are extremely vivid still. 

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And he passed away when I was, I
think I was 7, you know, and I 

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remember he was there teaching 
me how to ride a bike. 

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I remember I, my dad taught me, 
but I remember when the training

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wheels were just off and we were
on my block that I grew up in 

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Queens and he was there. 
And I remember him saying, 

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anyway, I, it's, it's very 
interesting. 

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It's very interesting. 
And that stuck with me and many 

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stories. 
But we were such a close family.

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My mom is an only child. 
I'm an only child. 

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So my grandparents were were it 
from the old world. 

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And it was so maybe because they
sounded so distinctly different,

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it struck me even more than 
anybody else. 

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They just nobody sounded like 
them. 

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Nobody was Hungarian, so and so 
to be able to have that as a 

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kind of guiding light in this, 
it's, it's really special and, 

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and to represent that because I 
feel like that is such a 

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universal thing. 
There's so many people from 

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whatever background, we are your
family, you know, my family, 

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we're all the descendants of 
immigrants. 

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And there's been a lot of 
struggle. 

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No matter how you cut it, no 
matter who it is, there's a lot 

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of sacrifice. 
And it's an old, it's another 

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world and, and, and it is 
another world again. 

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So anyway, tell me that's why I 
was. 

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So much more killer, by the way,
when she says Felicity says this

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place is rotten, Yeah, that 
really broke my heart when she 

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said. 
Well, the disconnect between the

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American Dream and and the hopes
and dreams of people coming here

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and to see to destruct the 
forces of greed and capitalist, 

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you know that extreme capitalist
greed is like very hard. 

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I know what you mean too because
my my grandparents on my dad's 

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side were from Warsaw and so 
they had like thick Polish 

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accents. 
My dad's side is also from 

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Poland. 
I don't know. 

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Don't know specifically if they 
were in Warsaw, but yeah. 

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And so I like that accent. 
It's like this, this Polish 

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accent and growing up in their 
house and they played Scrabble 

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every night. 
That's how they kind of learned.

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And I remember the dictionary 
was such an important thing in 

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their house, the English, a huge
dictionary. 

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And I remember as a little kid, 
I didn't know a word and then my

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grandfather said, look it up. 
And like we went over and it was

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like a little magnifying glass 
and you and it was like, you 

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have the power to look up these 
things in this book. 

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This is language and this is 
English and this is this. 

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And it was like, I remember at a
very young age, like four or 

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five, like going to this giant 
dictionary with my Polish 

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grandfather and just, you know, 
the importance of, of words and,

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and, and how it's there for you 
to to learn. 

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And it's there and I that. 
Just reminded me of the scene 

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where Laszlo was presenting to 
the town the the model. 

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Yeah, I added when I asked 
Gordon, my friend for the 

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flashlight, the torch, I added 
what, what is the can you pass 

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me the what, what is the, the, 
the torch? 

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Because my grandfather, I added 
that I love that my grandfather 

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would have a hard time 
remembering the English word for

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things. 
And he would say, what is that? 

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What is the word for the yes, 
what is that? 

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That and I, I. 
Love that to honor. 

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That's crazy. 
Because it came to me because 

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they were calling a torch I I 
changed it to torch. 

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I think it was originally, I'm 
not sure, but I believe it was a

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flashlight written and torch. 
It was that even just that 

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little line. 
It was like, I remember that 

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scene and then you take it and 
you said and I was like, that 

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felt so I just felt so I mean so
real to me. 

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It was it was crazy. 
I to say that I had no know you,

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but then also really to be like,
man, I really don't. 

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This is a whole other person and
by the way, this character. 

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I felt that about your 
performance, but this? 

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Guy's also so funny. 
I love how funny your character 

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is too. 
He has a his ability to like 

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laugh and make jokes and 
understand the moment or when to

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leave a room. 
Like when he's getting yelled at

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the beginning, like he's like, 
let's go. 

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Like I love his. 
He's just, he's got like a, he 

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like his skill, he's got this 
amazing like. 

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There's an awareness. 
Awareness. 

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Well, yeah, it's. 
Very it's a lot of experience, 

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right? 
You've lived in and yes, and, 

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and has seen it a lot and that I
think gives you perspective to 

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say I'm I'm not going to get 
into it, but I'm not going to 

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take it. 
I'll see you later and. 

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Yeah, I love. 
There's a part to a fucking love

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so much when you go, when you're
walking with the sun and he kind

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of infers something about your 
niece and you look at him in 

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your eyes do not. 
And he's looking all around and 

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you're like this and he's like 
staring at him. 

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And I thought, this is amazing 
because he's like, I don't give 

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a fuck. 
Who you are? 

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Lose this whole project. 
Yeah, now burn it all. 

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Down. 
You don't. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And I was just like. 

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The I relate to that, yeah. 
No, but I just. 

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But I loved it because I loved 
the idea that at the end of 

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this, this is a decent man you 
know, but who's also met. 

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Very complicated, yes. 
Totally. 

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You know what I mean? 
And so it's just like, I was 

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just really, it was, it was 
moving. 

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And he's an artist. 
Yeah, So Speaking of flaws, tell

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me about this, this Joe, and how
this came about and how, how 

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specific all these nuances that 
you were doing and how, what did

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Luca push? 
I love his work. 

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I love his work. 
He's such a wonderful, sensitive

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filmmaker. 
I really love what he does. 

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And I've spoken to him, not had 
the privilege of working with 

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him, but I, I. 
I shared. 

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With him, I, I know I would, I 
would love to work with him, but

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I think. 
You would love it because I 

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could you. 
He, I met him through Tilda and 

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but he's just, he's just really 
special. 

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I think the way he communicates 
his ideas, I think maybe also 

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because, you know, you're also 
just he's, he's Italian and, and

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the way he speaks is sort of 
like in a poetic, I don't know. 

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I, I really like it. 
I really like, I like the way 

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that he's sort of getting to 
what he's trying to say. 

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Like I remember one day, he 
said. 

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Like can you enter the scene and
go look and it sounds. 

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Like a W you. 
Know. 

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But it was. 
But I got it. 

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But I got it like I was like, 
like this, like a little. 

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And I, and I was just like, got 
it. 

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Like, I mean, I hope I got it, 
but no. 

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So he, he called me and he's, he
told me that he, he had read 

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this book when he was a teenager
and it was a very important book

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to him. 
And then he had this ability to,

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to make it. 
And when I play this character, 

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Joe, who's who's at this bar and
he said it, you know, we would 

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want to do lots of prosthetics 
on you. 

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Like, it was fun. 
I mean, it was amazing. 

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I didn't know it was that at 
first. 

361
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I was like, I hadn't seen you in
a while. 

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I was like, yo, you went in. 
I was like Jason. 

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I was like, what? 
Why this at first I had this 

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fear like people were going to 
be like doesn't look any 

365
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,480
different, but I get out of 
here. 

366
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,960
But it was I had never done just
prosthetics before. 

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Like, you know, it's like 4 or 
five hours. 

368
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,320
This guy Jason Hammer, and holy 
cajolis, by the way. 

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00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,960
Yeah, I was a side note. 
I was thinking about your mom 

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and I was thinking because I 
love Andre Kurtesh. 

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I mean, I grew up going to this 
growing, going up to his 

372
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apartment. 
He mentored her. 

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So on my I could look up when it
was at the LACMA, but 15 years 

374
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ago or something, there was like
a huge retrospective of his on 

375
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my birthday. 
It was my birthday that day. 

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00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,920
And you know, I was having a 
weird day, didn't want to be 

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around anybody, whatever. 
I just drove to the, to the 

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Lochman Park, went in and there 
was a huge retrospect. 

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I'd never seen his stuff. 
I stayed hours and bought every 

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book and his he has one 
photograph that to me is like my

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00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:11,840
favorite photograph of these 
people in the rain with 

382
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umbrellas. 
It's like taken from above and 

383
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there's a big white arrow on the
ground, a traffic sign. 

384
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And I have a picture of it and I
have like, I have like pictures 

385
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of it. 
And I he, he's. 

386
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He loved, he loved my. 
Mom, he's amazing. 

387
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,040
Always, Yeah. 
I can't. 

388
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We have a great picture of his 
of her, the sofa that's a famous

389
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picture of his that he recreated
or did with her like they were 

390
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,640
kidding. 
Around. 

391
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,440
Oh, really? 
Yeah, he, yeah, it was all of 

392
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,800
that. 
I mean, that we don't have the 

393
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,280
time to delve into all of that 
artistry and, and he's just 

394
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amazing human being. 
But all the all the stuff that 

395
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,520
my mom has seen, too. 
Yeah, I grew up with 

396
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,760
photographing Basque and Keith 
Haring drinking a Corona in 

397
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front of a nightclub in this 
cool patchwork jacket. 

398
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And I'm like, this, this is my 
city. 

399
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,280
This is the New York that I grew
up around. 

400
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:17,440
And I'm like, man, it's just 
Times Square that era, like just

401
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,120
it's the stuff that, you know, 
made people want to make movies 

402
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:26,960
and talk about stuff, the 
complexities of these. 

403
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,200
Images. 
Are condition and and and the 

404
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:36,760
kind of sea of humanity there 
it's just amazing so she she 

405
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,240
captured all of that not to 
digress but so tell me about so 

406
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,520
yeah and and and how Joe this. 
Guy so this guy basically no, it

407
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,280
was just very very simple 
because you know I had never 

408
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,560
done warn of crazy prosthetics 
or anything and he had said do 

409
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,320
you would you like to do it I 
said of course that sounds 

410
00:25:52,320 --> 00:26:00,560
wonderful and I had never really
you know done like full weight 

411
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,360
was completely covered my hair 
it's. 

412
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Claustrophobic. 
It was interesting, yeah. 

413
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,760
You feel it. 
Was it? 

414
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,440
Was it? 
Was it? 

415
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,480
I didn't feel claustrophobic 
when I was in it. 

416
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,040
When they were taking it off. 
I felt when they were putting it

417
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,320
on, I felt a little like, you 
know, you really start to notice

418
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,880
certain thing. 
I was just like trying I could. 

419
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,040
That was the hardest thing, was 
like trying to budget my. 

420
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,040
Yes, I know it. 
My head spit. 

421
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,440
You know what? 
I mean like, I know it's like. 

422
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,680
How do I budget this and like 
and so the? 

423
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Reason I say taking it off 
'cause mine's gone by the end of

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00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,080
the day and I've poured all the 
emotions and I just don't have a

425
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,760
lot of, I know space for, you 
know, RIP it off, yeah, but. 

426
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,360
I mean. 
Slowly mirror state and slowly 

427
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,840
peeling it back and someone just
ate a tuna sandwich. 

428
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,400
I smoked a cigarette and 
breathing on you and they're 

429
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,760
this close and there's four 
people because they they got 

430
00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:00,440
your turn around and you're you 
just cried or you spent and it's

431
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,560
just that's the hard part about 
exactly fine because I'm then 

432
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,040
that's when I'm like it's 
claustrophobic because you you 

433
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,800
need them. 
You need them to take it off. 

434
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,400
You can't just get home. 
I know I I that was that was 

435
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,840
that I the the like. 
Just like the the smells of 

436
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,320
people's fingers. 
Your fingers in your mouth and 

437
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,200
nose. 
And little sounds like of people

438
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,560
like putting like a comb in 
their mouth for a second to pull

439
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,200
some to become hypersensitive 
that. 

440
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,520
Double clicking the. 
Everything, yeah. 

441
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,440
Very old world. 
Kind of like sitting there just.

442
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,600
Like, know it well, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

443
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,880
So you know you've done it. 
Yeah, Yeah, it does a ton. 

444
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,440
Yeah. 
But the but I will say that. 

445
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,480
Kiln, Yeah. 
That little heating and so. 

446
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,560
Cool. 
I mean I. 

447
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,880
I love it. 
But I, I will say that I, the 

448
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,960
weirdest thing for me though, 
was that because I was all 

449
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,400
covered, people would come up 
and they'd say, you know, make 

450
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,360
sure that you're drinking water 
because how are you doing? 

451
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,760
Are you hydrating? 
And I'm, I was like, I'm fine. 

452
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,520
But I didn't realize that this 
is not my skin. 

453
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,480
I'm like, I, I was looking for 
my, I was looking to see if I 

454
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,400
was sweating and I realized, 
yeah. 

455
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,160
And I'm, that's amazing. 
And then I realized that for the

456
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,960
first day, oh, I'm under here 
and I am sweating profusely and 

457
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,960
I'm entirely hot and 
uncomfortable. 

458
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,080
It just, I wasn't, I wasn't in 
touch with it because I was just

459
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,400
basing it on my out how I was on
the outside and it was just 

460
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,920
fake. 
So just. 

461
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,040
Got to think about your nuts. 
Yeah, exactly. 

462
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,440
Yeah, but it was, by the way, I 
loved, I loved it. 

463
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,680
I loved walking around and I and
you know, it's one of these 

464
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,960
things where it was such a fun 
character to do and, and Daniel 

465
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,320
Craig is amazing and Drew 
Starkey in there and they're 

466
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,320
really like also like we had 
just started, they had just 

467
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,440
started the movie. 
So we were doing this stuff and 

468
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,960
then I knew it when I was done. 
They were embarking on this 

469
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,960
whole other journey. 
And so for me, there was a real,

470
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,880
there was a real playfulness and
kind of they were, it was 

471
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,600
nervous in the beginning and 
fun. 

472
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,040
I loved it personally, just 
because I love when the 

473
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,800
prosthetic. 
I loved how they limited what I 

474
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,240
could do physically. 
Just kind of prop you up 

475
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,360
somewhere. 
Exactly. 

476
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,280
And I loved it. 
And so like, I love like, 'cause

477
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,120
you would never think about, you
would never think about these 

478
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,800
things unless. 
Was the, you know, belching and 

479
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,800
all that scripted thing. 
Yeah, yeah, that's all scripted.

480
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,320
He did it. 
Well, yeah, no, that was all 

481
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,960
scripted, but you know, I but 
it's one of those things where 

482
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,480
it was like scripted, but I knew
it. 

483
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,680
I. 
You know. 

484
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,240
But it was fun, yeah. 
The nuances, the nuances to when

485
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,960
and how and that that are fun to
work with. 

486
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,200
Yeah, I know. 
I, I, I, I could see you 

487
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,640
enjoying. 
I I, I loved it. 

488
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,200
That's what I said. 
I mean, I that's there's a a 

489
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,240
freedom in that that I don't get
to see you do and you do so 

490
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,840
well, Yeah. 
And you should make sure you I 

491
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:01,720
want to keep do a lot. 
More I will I will open spread 

492
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,280
it. 
Spread your feelings. 

493
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Well, I had fun and you know, 
maybe one thing that had to do 

494
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,400
with it was just before that 
movie, I had never really done 

495
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,760
back-to-back things. 
Really, I've never had. 

496
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,960
And I had just done something 
before that that was very down. 

497
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,240
And so I knew going into that 
that I was going to play. 

498
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,320
He was like, he's full of life. 
It helps to shed it, no? 

499
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,160
Yes, and it's very in a weird 
way it was they almost like went

500
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,000
together. 
I've never had that before, but 

501
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,360
it's like in many ways that was 
informed by the one before it 

502
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,680
because I knew I was just so 
down in this other one that in 

503
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,960
this one I could just go, you 
know, just be wild and crazy and

504
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,560
fun and upbeat. 
And it was nice to do that. 

505
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,240
So it was fun. 
And I, I love working with those

506
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,840
people and I love the artists. 
I love the artists and Trinity 

507
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,840
Todd I love. 
Yeah, I think that that is a 

508
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,800
real special experience and must
be special with Lucas guidance 

509
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,320
of course. 
I mean, even the outside was 

510
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,880
built inside, which was so 
crazy, like the set. 

511
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,880
Yeah, like outside, like, like, 
no, like outs. 

512
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Like those streets were inside 
was so crazy. 

513
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,400
Like, yeah, like outside the 
restaurants. 

514
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,520
And so, yeah, so where the dogs 
kind of wandering through this 

515
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,080
kind of back, the kind of depth 
of field where you're seeing all

516
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,480
that, that's an interior, 
exterior shot. 

517
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,440
And I had never. 
A certain look to it that I, I, 

518
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,640
I, you know, because we do this.
You can tell. 

519
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,960
That I'm, I, I couldn't tell it 
was inside, but I, I'm, I was 

520
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,280
curious. 
I had to look it up. 

521
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,720
I was curious where you were 
shooting. 

522
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,680
Wait, can I just totally pivot 
to one other thing? 

523
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,120
Because we're talking about one 
thing to another. 

524
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,280
Did you just finish a play? 
Yeah, and it's funny because you

525
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,240
were I didn't want to like get 
back into let's talk about me 

526
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,960
because you, you've been very 
generous and and spoke a lot 

527
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,080
about this film and I I 
appreciate that. 

528
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,760
But I did just got off the stage
4 four days ago and went to New 

529
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,280
York and came here and we were 
doing 8 shows a week. 

530
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,760
And I interestingly, because you
were saying I, it was nice to 

531
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,080
kind of shed this other role 
that was a bit heavy and jump 

532
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,240
into something new. 
And I have not done a film since

533
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,480
The Brutalist really. 
I took a bit of a break. 

534
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,160
And then we also were subjected 
to a Writers Guild strike and a 

535
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,000
Screen Actors Guild strike that 
we had to stand by. 

536
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,360
And so, you know, not many 
people were working, but I took 

537
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,720
a bit of space and I had not 
done a play since I was a 

538
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,480
teenager, really. 
And it was just something I've 

539
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:52,520
been yearning to do, but had 
been quite intimidate isn't the 

540
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:59,280
right word, But it's it's such a
even though I started doing 

541
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,400
started in the theatre and doing
Off Broadway and many years in 

542
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,320
acting school, it's been so long
and I've developed a lifetime of

543
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,120
technique and familiarity with 
film acting. 

544
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,200
I didn't, I don't really like 
the idea of projecting and I, I,

545
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,800
I like the intimacy that were 
afforded to, to speak in film 

546
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:27,720
and listen and not have to make 
sure someone under an awning or 

547
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,920
up in the in the balcony is 
gonna hear or see something. 

548
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,160
And it ended up being a really 
wonderful experience. 

549
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,280
Very, I think I learned a lot 
and, and loved the community of 

550
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,480
actors I was working with. 
That was really the, the, the 

551
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,320
best part was sharing that time 
together with actors who are all

552
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:55,640
so good and all, all, everyone 
lifting each other up and all 

553
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,920
there for the right reasons. 
There's like, you can't make a 

554
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,720
living doing theater, but you 
can sure get a great deal of 

555
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,480
fulfillment. 
And they're all really, 

556
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,040
everyone's lifting each other 
up. 

557
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,280
And I, I just loved that. 
And, and also this kind of 

558
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,520
communion with the audience and 
how it varied every night. 

559
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,520
But all of that was a tangent. 
The, the thing that occurred to 

560
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,120
me as in addition to doing 8 
shows a week, I, the, the 

561
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:31,080
Brutalist has received quite a 
bit of appreciation after 

562
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,960
Venice. 
And I'm, I'm incredibly grateful

563
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,320
for it. 
So are are my my, my 

564
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,080
responsibilities and kind of 
helping to make people aware of 

565
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:49,120
the film started ramping up 
during the play and, and I found

566
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,000
myself talking a lot about 
Laszlo and this journey and 

567
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,840
thinking about Pennsylvania of 
that time. 

568
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,280
And it occurred to me the 
character that I play in this 

569
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,160
play is it's based on a true 
story. 

570
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,600
His name was Nick Yaris and he 
served 22 years on death row in 

571
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,080
Pennsylvania for a crime he 
didn't commit. 

572
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,440
And so much about it was this 
man enduring great injustice and

573
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,840
violated by people and 
circumstances within 

574
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,920
Pennsylvania. 
And that is Laszlo's where he 

575
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,120
lands and and much of his 
experiences exists within 

576
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,720
Pennsylvania and all those 
hardships. 

577
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:33,920
And I was like, what is it 
that's drawn me to to these two 

578
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,840
things at the same time in my 
life? 

579
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,240
They both came at the same 
moment. 

580
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:45,320
Isn't that interesting? 
And maybe that there's just too 

581
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:51,040
much injustice in the world. 
And I don't know, Pennsylvania's

582
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,120
a big state. 
I have no idea. 

583
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,800
There's too much injustice for 
sure. 

584
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,080
And maybe I that speaks to me 
and just interesting timing. 

585
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:08,400
But it's but you but you're able
to express it without it like 

586
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:16,240
like how aware are are you of 
injustice or a statement like 

587
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:20,040
that or wanting to? 
It's not. 

588
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,000
Yeah, I know you're. 
You know what I mean, I don't 

589
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,920
have the correct wording. 
Yeah, well, the the the enemy of

590
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:42,040
it being an emotional journey 
would be to be overly you. 

591
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,560
First of all, it's embedded in 
the work. 

592
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,520
It's, it's in the writing, it's 
in the subtext, it's in the, 

593
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:57,600
it's just what speaks to me and 
what I find compelling and 

594
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:06,040
worthy of all the work that it 
takes to, to delve in and, and, 

595
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:12,160
and, and it takes someone like 
Brady. 

596
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:18,480
It takes a filmmaker who has 
this first of all, a sensitivity

597
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,440
and understanding of these 
circumstances and and sense of 

598
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,680
empathy of what what so many 
people struggle with in this 

599
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,080
world. 
And an understanding of history 

600
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:43,760
and an ability to weave the 
traumas that many have endured 

601
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,520
and and are forced to contend 
with from the past and where it 

602
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:54,520
still lies within society right 
before our very nose. 

603
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,600
And to do that without saying 
I'm teaching you anything, but 

604
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,320
just you're gonna feel something
and you might recognize 

605
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,240
something. 
And I think that's the beauty of

606
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:15,160
film because you are transported
to another era and the beauty of

607
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,640
being an actor to inhabit and 
represent someone from another 

608
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,920
time and how that individual's 
experiences speak to. 

609
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,560
Elements that you relate to. 
Personally, and that definitely 

610
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,480
other people may relate to and 
that it's all in there, baked 

611
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,400
in, and then you're in this 
darkened room together and it 

612
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,840
unfolds and it's very special. 
When it works, it's very 

613
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,440
special. 
It's very special. 

614
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,440
But the play, the play afforded 
me that as well. 

615
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:52,400
And. 
I feel like. 

616
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,400
You know, I'm very aware of my 
own good fortune. 

617
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:04,880
I'm very aware of, you know. 
Our life has. 

618
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,320
Many challenges, but. 
I grew up in Queens. 

619
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,000
I grew up. 
Around a lot of people that had 

620
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:17,720
made some pretty big mistakes. 
And this story in the play was 

621
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:22,840
so much about a man, a young man
who had made a couple mistakes 

622
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,440
and then got implicated into 
things that he didn't even do 

623
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,960
and was too. 
Naive. 

624
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:38,760
And addicted to methamphetamine 
as a teenager and just a mess, 

625
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,280
but wasn't guilty of the charges
that he was incriminated for and

626
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,320
and was. 
Helpless and that this. 

627
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,000
Giant system just oppressed and 
you know. 

628
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,200
We could do another podcast 
because. 

629
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,920
A 24 has a whole other movie 
about injustice within the IT 

630
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,640
could bring in a third person 
into this. 

631
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:07,200
Was it hard physically to do? 
It like to have a whole day free

632
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,800
and then do your job at night. 
For this, well, we had eight 

633
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,160
shows, so. 
We had Thursdays and Saturdays, 

634
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,920
a matinee edition. 
Oh wow. 

635
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,320
It never really felt like I had 
a whole day free because I I 

636
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:25,000
also haven't been able to sleep 
well because I'm I'm I think 

637
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:31,520
retaining an entire play with 
it, the whole kind of third act 

638
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:38,360
being essentially a lot on my 
shoulders that I I would wake up

639
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,240
numerous times the night with 
dialogue, various scenes every 

640
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,240
night. 
Making sure I know it. 

641
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,520
Or I don't know what it was, but
it was, I've never experienced 

642
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,120
that ever that I can recall. 
Maybe there'll be a big scene 

643
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,600
and I'll wake up and I'm 
stressed and I'll run the scene 

644
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,600
before I'm fully up. 
Or I'm, I'm, I'm making sure I 

645
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,760
know the monologue and I know 
the, the, the bridges within 

646
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,800
that, but not, you know, an hour
and 45 minutes worth of 

647
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,440
material. 
I had to play with a with. 

648
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,000
No intermission in a film with a
How funny was that? 

649
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,920
How weird is that? 
It is also very. 

650
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,840
Strange. 
And then do you think that? 

651
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,400
And then how did that come 
about? 

652
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,920
Someone said, would you like to 
be in? 

653
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,440
Yeah. 
Lindsay Ferrantino. 

654
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,480
Wrote it and she's an amazing 
writer. 

655
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,240
You just would love it. 
You'd love. 

656
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,320
Will you do it here? 
We'll see there. 

657
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,080
I think it it's gotten very well
received. 

658
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,960
She'd, she'd probably like us to
do it. 

659
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,520
I mean, I'll consider it. 
I'm not sure yet. 

660
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,000
It's a lot. 
It's a lot. 

661
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,760
It's a lot, but it it was. 
Very gratifying. 

662
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,000
It's just I got to get a movie 
going. 

663
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,640
I got to get, I got to find a 
film and then let's see if I 

664
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,360
find the right film and right 
project and film maker and I 

665
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:08,000
feel like I have something 
meaningful that satisfies that. 

666
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,720
Then I can say. 
OK, I'll take another break and 

667
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:19,200
space to to perform and and and 
do do the do a play. 

668
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,520
But I can see why. 
Actors are are yearning for the 

669
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:33,560
stage and, and it's such a, it's
such a different set of 

670
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,520
challenges. 
You know, you make a movie and 

671
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,040
you have these handful of scenes
that you know are. 

672
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,080
There'll be many that you 
really. 

673
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,280
Relate to and then there'll be a
handful of scenes that are kind 

674
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,480
of complicated that you know, 
are going to be some work to 

675
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,560
suss out and you know, maybe the
filmmaker has a an idea for them

676
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,800
and you're not sure you you 
understand that well enough or 

677
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,000
you're not going to be able to 
convey it. 

678
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,080
And then when you get to that, 
you tackle that, you hopefully 

679
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,640
prevail, but you get through it 
and it's the past tomorrow. 

680
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:18,120
You buckle up and get to to work
and work on the day's tasks, a 

681
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,400
play. 
You have to unearth that and 

682
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,760
discover it every day, all 
through rehearsal and then in 

683
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,680
front of an audience every day. 
And then even though that may be

684
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,760
a difficulty, you've got to be 
so rooted and you got to jump 

685
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,840
right into the next thing and 
the next thing and the next 

686
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,160
thing and you have no time to 
think about how or what. 

687
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,240
You have to kind of process it 
because you do have to learn 

688
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,640
from it. 
But it's such a different way of

689
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,200
thinking and applying. 
You mean letting that night's? 

690
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,040
Performance go to the next night
or a scene by scene letting 

691
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,120
yeah. 
Scene by scene and. 

692
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:02,200
Processing. 
How to be better again but but 

693
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,560
letting getting through those 
challenging moments. 

694
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,960
And then? 
Being fully present in the other

695
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:18,440
moment that immediately proceeds
or follows is a new thing for 

696
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,880
me. 
It is. 

697
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,880
I did not. 
I had not had to think on those 

698
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,040
terms because I'm so used to 
compartmentalizing. 

699
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,440
So we're going to do this heavy 
scene today and then and we're 

700
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,360
doing that and then we might 
have a lighter moment right 

701
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,040
after that, but I'm going to put
it down. 

702
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,240
I'm going to go outside. 
I'm going to shake it off a bit.

703
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:38,960
I'm going to do that. 
You don't have any time to shake

704
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,400
anything off. 
You have, you know it anyhow, 

705
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,080
it's what about this? 
Did you? 

706
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,520
Was it? 
Did you ever watch a video of it

707
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,200
in rehearsal or did you ever see
it filmed? 

708
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,720
No, I did watch. 
The understudy run, which was 

709
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,080
really informative, was that he 
was quite good. 

710
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,920
He was quite good and I learned 
a few things. 

711
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,240
I joked with him. 
I was like, OK. 

712
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,200
But I got to watch. 
I got to watch the play unfold. 

713
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,360
I got to watch what everyone was
doing. 

714
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,160
I got to watch what my character
wasn't experiencing and seeing 

715
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:19,200
interesting. 
I got to watch blocking and got 

716
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:28,480
to see where things needed to be
more specific and for myself. 

717
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:29,880
And it was good. 
It was helpful. 

718
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:30,880
That's so interesting. 
Yeah. 

719
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:31,640
I. 
Liked it? 

720
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:32,840
I liked it. 
It was very interesting. 

721
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,280
That's really interesting. 
What about was? 

722
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,400
Let's talk about music. 
Yeah, perfect. 

723
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,640
I want to. 
Talk about music with you. 

724
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,160
Because we both love making 
music. 

725
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:46,240
I mean Jason when he's on set or
fun. 

726
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,120
We were the last one we did with
Wes. 

727
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,880
We we, we shared and we had we 
all live Wes's films. 

728
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:01,720
Usually everyone gets on, we all
live in one hotel or sometimes a

729
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,680
house, which was amazing on 
Darjeeling. 

730
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,680
I mean, first of all, Darjeeling
was just like such an amazing, 

731
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,440
amazing life experience. 
We kind of have to talk about 

732
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,120
that a little bit just because 
that was my first meeting and 

733
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:20,120
introduction to you and to Owen 
and to Wes and to Roman and and 

734
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:22,720
and. 
Jen, I mean. 

735
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,920
Every, all of you and the, the, 
the, the love and camaraderie, 

736
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:36,320
camaraderie and intimacy of, of 
what that was the familial 

737
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,320
quality of what it was, I think.
More than any. 

738
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:47,320
Other maybe Rushmore was 
different, you know, it was 

739
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,520
different, but it was an earlier
time in Les's work. 

740
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,440
But more than the other films 
that I've been fortunate to 

741
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,640
participate in, I felt like 
there was just such a close 

742
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:05,080
emotional journey within the 
humor and his wonderful, unique 

743
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:08,560
stylistic choices. 
And no, you're right, I I love. 

744
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,160
The. 
Emotional truths that are hand 

745
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,560
in hand with broad, broad 
fucking comedy. 

746
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,560
Amazingly fun stuff. 
And these epic. 

747
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,080
Brilliant. 
Yeah. 

748
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Bob Yeoman was shooting unless. 
His designing and man, that 

749
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,440
film. 
But you know, it's funny because

750
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,120
I think. 
That also was the first time 

751
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,840
that he had really worked that 
way too. 

752
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:40,200
Like I think that was he was 
trying that afterlife aquatic, 

753
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,120
right. 
So I think that there and it's 

754
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,520
it's. 
Stuck and stuck, but I think 

755
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,400
that. 
Was the the foray into it. 

756
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,360
So I think in many ways, like 
the family thing you're talking 

757
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,480
about was like that. 
Was the first time it. 

758
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,480
Wasn't really. 
I mean, I had never experienced 

759
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,880
that either. 
I'd never I I had. 

760
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,240
Once, only once. 
Or the family kind of everyone 

761
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:01,720
together. 
You mean that like that. 

762
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:04,480
Yeah, like and. 
You and I going on that specific

763
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,800
to the to the storytelling. 
But yeah, but not. 

764
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,400
I mean, I just, I just had never
done. 

765
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,720
And just like, So for me, it was
just a dream. 

766
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:13,400
Like we went on a hike around 
the lake. 

767
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,960
One of the first. 
Yeah, the first. 

768
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,120
Day we. 
Met and it's. 

769
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,480
Just like Balsaman Lake, I just 
remember like, you know. 

770
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,640
So much about that and it's 
it's, you know, it's hard to 

771
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,600
forget because that's really 
like, that's kind of like, you 

772
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:34,440
know, and just what I learned 
and your generosity and just the

773
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,200
whole thing was just like, you 
know, I was just so grateful. 

774
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,560
We talked about grateful just 
like every second. 

775
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:43,320
I was just like, holy shit, me 
too. 

776
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,440
That was a love it. 
And I and. 

777
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,880
I laughed so much too. 
And there was just, and, and 

778
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,280
it's I. 
I don't even know if I was 

779
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,400
laughing because things were 
funny. 

780
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,280
I was laughing because things 
were just life. 

781
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,680
It was so appreciating it. 
We were all out of our element. 

782
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,760
And loving it. 
And it will never. 

783
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,200
I mean, that's just so. 
Crazy, you know, shooting on a 

784
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,960
moving train each. 
Day and I know if the. 

785
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,400
We'd have to wake. 
Up we'd have our suits or our 

786
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,280
outfits would be prepared in the
room with a microphone in it. 

787
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:17,320
In it, no makeup, no no make up 
period before going on the set. 

788
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,400
Just get your stuff, get 
dressed, and get to the train 

789
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,800
station before the. 
Train departed. 

790
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,040
Or else you missed the set. 
Yes, and and nobody missed the 

791
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,640
set right now, what would we 
have done? 

792
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,240
Like what if you couldn't? 
You couldn't have missed Owen. 

793
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,160
What if I always? 
Like Owen, I could just see 

794
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,440
Owen, but you couldn't. 
Thought I was. 

795
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,040
I thought I dreamt that that was
930 it. 

796
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,200
Was 930 I. 
But no, we had to. 

797
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,960
We had to. 
Literally leave the train 

798
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,880
station because it was a train 
station. 

799
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,680
We were trained on our live 
track. 

800
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:53,720
I mean, we weren't on some 
private track going up and down 

801
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,640
40 feet. 
I mean, we were going through 

802
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,160
India. 
And I thought it was so smart 

803
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,640
how they built. 
They had one long train and 

804
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,320
they'd built one side of it. 
The sets were on one side and 

805
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,280
they built a replica of it on 
the other side. 

806
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,160
So on the way back, when the sun
would be on the other side, you 

807
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,080
just switch. 
And it was just, yeah, I mean, 

808
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,320
to me, that's. 
Kind. 

809
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,720
Of like, I just kind of and what
I learned from that, that I 

810
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:22,800
loved so much was the 
responsibility that each actor 

811
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,440
has for each other. 
You know what I mean? 

812
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,120
Like because I remember like 
there was a moment when you were

813
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,160
like, I think your glasses were 
you're like you're, I think your

814
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,520
thing was here, like looking out
for each other. 

815
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,480
I just felt like this is 
amazing, you know what I mean? 

816
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:43,040
This kind of like real, like we 
are all doing this together. 

817
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,800
Yeah, it was. 
I, I mean. 

818
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,960
I'm I'm an only. 
Child that felt like it was with

819
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,160
some my brothers it was like 
that. 

820
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,640
No, I feel that really. 
It was a really. 

821
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,880
Touching. 
Journey. 

822
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,360
And yeah, very. 
Very. 

823
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,000
Really. 
Fun. 

824
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,720
Poor you that W made you walk 
around all over India barefoot. 

825
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,200
I mean, he's very brave like 
you. 

826
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,720
Really. 
You really are. 

827
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,080
I mean, we're all brave. 
I mean, you threw me down that 

828
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,000
river, too. 
Yeah, I was saying didn't didn't

829
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,600
end well. 
But it's probably better to walk

830
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,880
around barefoot. 
It did not. 

831
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,680
No, no, it was bad. 
It was bad. 

832
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,240
Wait, but music? 
Well, because music actually was

833
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,520
really interesting because I 
remember during that time, well,

834
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,240
for me, like what was really 
interesting about that moment 

835
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:40,840
was like, you know, I think like
I was so focused growing up on 

836
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:46,080
like I was so into like British 
Invasion, like Beatles and I 

837
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,920
kind of missed like a whole 
giant chunk of things. 

838
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,520
And I, and I think that during 
that time I had just gotten this

839
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:59,560
computer and like I was learning
how to was, was beginning of me 

840
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,520
kind of understanding production
and, and, and like working. 

841
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,720
And I remember you came in and 
you played me a bunch of these 

842
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,720
like beats you had done. 
And it was like, really it was 

843
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:13,480
like, OK, well, this is what you
can do. 

844
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,400
Like well, I feel the same way 
about. 

845
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,360
This is what you can do if you 
can actually play. 

846
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:18,960
No, no. 
But it was just like I remember.

847
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,760
Sitting there going like, OK, 
this is like, and so I still 

848
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,560
think about it because like, 
because I remember we sat there 

849
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,920
and we were listening and I was 
like. 

850
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,320
Wow, like all these little. 
Levels and all these things and 

851
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,440
I couldn't believe that it was 
just you had just done it like 

852
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,920
and I still think back to that 
feeling of like, I want to and I

853
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,840
I'm not good yet still with the 
product, but that sort of like 

854
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,800
I'm making beats in India. 
Do you? 

855
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,200
Yeah. 
You came in and you played. 

856
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,400
Me stuff I would make that I. 
You played me like. 40 minutes 

857
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,680
of beats and they were all 
great. 

858
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,800
And I remember just going like, 
fuck, like this is like. 

859
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,080
But they weren't beat, they were
song. 

860
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,560
I mean, they were like pieces. 
Yeah, they're beats, yeah, yeah,

861
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:59,560
but they're. 
But they're. 

862
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,800
But they're rudimentary. 
I mean, they're, yeah. 

863
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,320
No, but they were they're yeah. 
But. 

864
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,520
To me it's like when I. 
Imagine like that's what I'm 

865
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,240
yeah, like so to this day, like,
you know how you have these 

866
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:13,080
weird like memories, like that's
the one that I like when I 

867
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,840
imagine like getting good at 
being able to. 

868
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,800
I'm not good at that yet to this
to this day, but I think of that

869
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,400
I don't have to. 
And that doesn't even have to 

870
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,880
be. 
As I know but I but. 

871
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,920
You always want to be. 
I like I. 

872
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,800
Like it, but it was this, you 
know, but then and then I think 

873
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,040
of you a lot too, because we 
were talking about like DJ, 

874
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,920
little DJ apps and things on the
phone. 

875
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,840
And I got to show you this. 
I got, I got, I got a little DJ 

876
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,760
thing for my son and I and he 
little portable rig. 

877
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,480
I have one. 
It's like this big thing. 

878
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:46,120
It's pretty. 
Great. 

879
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,760
They're great. 
I mean, it's not that. 

880
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,960
Portable. 
I mean, it's like pretty 

881
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,680
portable, yeah, but there's an 
even smaller one that's. 

882
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,480
Really. 
There's a little thing really 

883
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,760
this big Yeah, that you plug 
into your iPhone or iPad, OK, 

884
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,000
That's what I mean. 
I rocked a. 

885
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,200
Party with that? 
Really. 

886
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:07,720
I rocked. 
A whole show with with great 

887
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,040
delays and effects and 
everything. 

888
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,480
Yeah, I'll turn you on to that. 
I watched the Questlove Master. 

889
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,240
Class did you? 
I saw. 

890
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:18,000
I saw some of it, yeah. 
I liked a lot. 

891
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,240
There was some, really. 
There was some pretty like. 

892
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,840
It was pretty interesting just 
watching. 

893
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,720
You told me to see that. 
Yeah, it was. 

894
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:25,480
You. 
Oh, maybe. 

895
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,800
Yeah. 
I liked his setup like I liked 

896
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,240
his. 
Setup. 

897
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,760
I liked his board. 
I liked his effect. 

898
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,480
I mean, I like, but it was 
really like the one thing I'm 

899
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,400
trying to figure out that was 
like, but so do you have all 

900
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,320
your music? 
That's what I haven't figured 

901
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,680
out is where is the mute? 
So many of these songs, I'm 

902
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:43,720
going to mess What? 
Yeah. 

903
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,680
Well, so many of them are like 
not there or available and I 

904
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,240
can't. 
They're all over the place. 

905
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,640
But I've also. 
I've fallen deeply into working 

906
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,320
with one piece of equipment and 
then I will have a. 

907
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,280
Friend, or I'll go to guitar. 
Center or something and I'll see

908
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,720
some new piece of gear and I'll 
be like, oh, you know, yeah, let

909
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:07,880
me try that and I'll start 
messing around with that and 

910
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,520
then I'll forget how to make 
music on that old equipment that

911
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,720
I have really volumes of music 
on and it's so I've got stuff. 

912
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,040
Yeah, I got. 
I don't remember. 

913
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,720
How I I could probably figure 
out how to make a track on an 

914
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:25,880
ASR but I was making beats on 
Asrs and EPS 16 pluses which 

915
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,000
were these old school and Sonic 
and Sonic keyboards. 

916
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,520
ASR back in the 90s ASR 10. 
ASR 10. 

917
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,240
Yeah, ASR 10, I still have AI, 
still have one. 

918
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,160
I still have a full perfect. 
Well, that's full 8088 key 

919
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,400
really is our ten. 
Yeah, I used to go, I traveled 

920
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,480
to Jamaica with it used to try. 
Now you can like go with your 

921
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,440
iPad and make amazing music. 
But I would travel with my ASR 

922
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,680
to Jamaica to visit my boys and 
go there. 

923
00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:01,080
And I remember making what at 
the time I was, I felt like my 

924
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:06,160
masterpiece, like it just I was,
I was, I was cooking. 

925
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,720
And the problem with that my. 
Model of it. 

926
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:18,640
When you had too many great 
layered samples, because it's a 

927
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,840
sample sampler sequencer, when 
there was too much in it, it 

928
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:30,080
would crash and you had to save 
everything on a floppy disk, and

929
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,280
I hadn't. 
Backed it up. 

930
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,720
And oh, it didn't. 
It would crash, but there was a 

931
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:39,440
thunderstorm and the power and 
surged and it went out after 

932
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,960
like an 8 hour beat session that
just was it's gone. 

933
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,760
And it was probably my best 
work. 

934
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,320
No, honestly, it's gone. 
Fuck me. 

935
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,960
I may have cried. 
I know I yelled, but I may have 

936
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,400
cried. 
It was that good. 

937
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,400
Anyway, so I used to travel with
this. 

938
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,840
How were you bringing your 
sample? 

939
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:57,600
In a? 
In a? 

940
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,440
In a giant. 
Like roadie case. 

941
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,400
Like I was like my yeah, go 
through luggage and pick it up. 

942
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,320
Yeah, weighed a ton, but isn't 
that cool? 

943
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,520
Isn't that interesting to? 
Know because I believe that in 

944
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,400
like we're talking about acting 
with like makeup or character. 

945
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,400
I believe that instruments do 
have they make you. 

946
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,240
I believe they have songs in 
them in a way I mean that you 

947
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,640
adapt to them. 
I find that I do like 

948
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,960
definitely. 
I don't know about a digital 

949
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,320
equipment, but I definitely 
would. 

950
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,040
Yeah. 
Well, yeah, A. 

951
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,360
Guitar. 
Guitar or even a piano or any 

952
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,880
kind of one instrument that 
would have a personality that's 

953
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:46,400
it's made it's that would 
someone assembled it but the ASR

954
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,280
10. 
Is but is an example I think of 

955
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,280
of a digital instrument that 
analog but it has its but it. 

956
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,200
Has. 
A It has a personality and it 

957
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,040
has like and it has like a clock
and it has a way that it, I 

958
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,000
think Kanye does a lot of stuff 
still on the. 

959
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,800
ASR Yeah, I know RZA did. 
Yeah, right. 

960
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,880
No, that was the yeah. 
And like even like the APC, like

961
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:14,200
the MPC, the MPC 2000 and like 
they, you know, they have their 

962
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,440
own yeah thing. 
And like you would even if and 

963
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,760
you make certain kind of thing 
on it, like when you're saying, 

964
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,080
you know, and it's true that 
like that's the one thing I'm 

965
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,960
not good at either, is like I 
have I don't know how to merge 

966
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,600
all my stuff. 
So I have like music on just 

967
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,320
like different me too. 
No, me too. 

968
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,000
And you need to then. 
Be serious. 

969
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,160
Well, you got to back it up, but
then you need to be serious and 

970
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,760
you need to have like, time and 
money to be in a studio with 

971
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,400
someone to help you, like an 
engineer to say, I want to 

972
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,280
upload all this on Pro Tools. 
That's great. 

973
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,360
I want to riff with that for a 
while, just record it and then 

974
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,640
we can sample that riff or play 
with. 

975
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,400
And that's, that's where I'm at 
these days with it, which I find

976
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,040
really fulfilling. 
But I, you know, it's time and 

977
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,920
money before. 
Yeah, Yeah, I am. 

978
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,720
But I, you know, I'm not doing 
anything yet with things. 

979
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,560
But I, I scored clean. 
I made the whole. 

980
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,400
Yeah, I made that whole score 
and I ended up doing it because 

981
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,000
I was. 
Making beats while I made the. 

982
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,840
Movie and I was like, wow, this 
is a theme. 

983
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,680
I made a theme in in the state 
of mind of this character and 

984
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,080
the zone I was in and it was 
like this kind of Rambo S kind 

985
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,880
of feeling. 
I was like, yeah, that's a 

986
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,160
theme. 
And then ultimately stuff I 

987
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,280
started making even on an iPad. 
We we ended up I ended up having

988
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:43,960
an orchestra interpret and had a
woman playing French horns and 

989
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,520
cellos and things. 
It was just amazing. 

990
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,920
But it was coming musically from
the character. 

991
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,920
It was in that interesting. 
Fuck yeah. 

992
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,160
I think it's also. 
But you're you play a lot of. 

993
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,040
Acoustic work, which is so 
beautiful and you sing I well, 

994
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,480
I'm not a really good singer, 
but. 

995
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:07,240
I I can but but the but the 
yeah, I play, you know, piano 

996
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:12,280
and guitar enough to right and 
like to play along with people. 

997
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,960
Well, that's amazing. 
I can't. 

998
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,200
Yeah, I can't. 
Like, you know, I wouldn't be. 

999
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,560
Like pass me the guitar versus 
like I would, you know, like, 

1000
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,640
but you know, it's nice and I 
it's soothing. 

1001
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,920
I love a guitar. 
It's very nurturing. 

1002
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,800
I used to carry a Martin 
backpacker just and I can't play

1003
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,320
other than a few little chords I
can't play, but I love it's very

1004
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,840
it's a. 
It's a a whoopee. 

1005
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,320
I love having to like, it's like
a nice blanket. 

1006
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,760
It's just there. 
Well, I think it's because they 

1007
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,440
go in my. 
Silly opinion. 

1008
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,440
I think it's because when you're
holding a guitar, the sound goes

1009
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,360
backwards too, through your 
body. 

1010
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:51,640
You know? 
I think that's like a nice 

1011
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,680
reverberation. 
Yeah, I think there's a. 

1012
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,520
Real like comes in. 
And yeah. 

1013
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,800
I think it's like the. 
Vibrations. 

1014
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,000
The vibration I. 
Even when you're tuning. 

1015
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,520
Something like when they're out 
of tune, you know, go whoa, 

1016
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,400
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 
And then as they get more in 

1017
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,680
tune, they go whoa and I. 
And I love that. 

1018
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,760
And I it's sort. 
Of how I feel when we're all 

1019
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,560
working is like that's it's like
tuning, you know, it's and it's 

1020
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,440
like whoa, whoa, whoa, and it's 
all not that it's bad if it's 

1021
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,360
attitude, but you can feel it 
like when it's you can feel like

1022
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:28,560
A and it and I sort of live for 
that moment, you know, that's 

1023
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,680
great. 
That's sort of like my whole 

1024
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,280
that's what I live for. 
It's like the tuning of people. 

1025
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,440
I like that that's. 
Yeah, I was just like guitarist 

1026
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:40,800
on yesterday. 
Really. 

1027
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,000
Yeah, just got to make. 
You jealous? 

1028
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,400
Yeah. 
You got a new. 

1029
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,320
Keyboard, yeah, yeah, it's 
pretty sad. 

1030
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,160
There's a bunch of gear out now.
I know. 

1031
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,920
There's so much stuff I want. 
There's a great place in LA 

1032
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,920
where they have a lot of sense 
if you want good sense anyway. 

1033
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,240
But I I love all the gear too 
much. 

1034
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,720
How's the family? 
They're great. 

1035
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,160
Adult adult children. 
How my? 

1036
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,040
Daughter just turned 1414. 
Yeah, it's really. 

1037
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:10,680
Funny, I have a. 10 year old. 
And she, I said. 

1038
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,160
I'm leaving this last night, I 
said. 

1039
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,640
I'm going out to see his movie. 
Should I go to? 

1040
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,560
No, no, no, not you. 
You're not. 

1041
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,360
You don't go. 
See this one and said play. 

1042
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:25,080
And I'm like, listen. 
You could barely make it through

1043
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:29,200
Wild Robot. 
You're not going to get through 

1044
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,320
the brutal. 
I've tried, you know, but then 

1045
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,960
while I was watching, I was 
going she they would love this 

1046
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,080
movie, you know, because it's 
they would love it. 

1047
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,720
They and I and I, it's so 
fucking beautiful and intent and

1048
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,440
the music, by the way, is 
incredible and that is 

1049
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,760
incredible and. 
That is a real achievement, that

1050
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,320
score. 
By the way, and seeing it last 

1051
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,640
night in the big screen, it was 
great. 

1052
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,840
Now the music is just epic. 
Yeah, it was fun by the. 

1053
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,680
Way just to say it last like. 
To sit in a theater that was 

1054
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:03,920
clearly so with that kind of by 
with strangers was fun like 

1055
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,440
because you realize. 
How? 

1056
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,120
Like I'm just talking and 
sharing my like, and the people 

1057
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,080
next to me are just talking 
about how they feel. 

1058
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:12,720
We don't even know each other. 
How great. 

1059
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,280
But that's a great movie, right?
Where it's like you, you you're 

1060
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,480
compelled to just like, what do 
you think? 

1061
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,000
What's going on? 
Like the you know, you start 

1062
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,040
talking and it's like what? 
That's what a movie. 

1063
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,440
I mean, that's a great feeling, 
right? 

1064
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,120
It's just like the community and
the people in the room all 

1065
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,400
wanting to just start to talk. 
And that was like, I was like, 

1066
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,600
what a triumph. 
I was like, this is this is what

1067
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,680
it's all about, you know, And to
me, it's just like, I don't 

1068
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,600
know, they're just, you know, 
everything you do is so great. 

1069
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,240
I'm just so happy that this 
movie is like but this one, this

1070
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,200
one has some it. 
Has something really special. 

1071
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,560
Yeah. 
And it's, I don't know how you 

1072
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,640
did it. 
Should we say it? 

1073
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,200
Do some. 
Closing next question. 

1074
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,280
Question #2 I've enjoyed, I 
loved it chatting. 

1075
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:03,920
With you, pal, shut the. 
Mic cheers. 

1076
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:05,680
Cheers. 
Rock'n'roll.