1 00:00:04,900 --> 00:00:07,000 Hey and welcome back to the 824 podcast. 2 00:00:07,300 --> 00:00:09,500 We've been trying to get Lord and Hunter Schafer together for 3 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:11,600 a conversation ever. Since we heard liability 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,100 featured on the jewel. Special episode of euphoria that 5 00:00:14,100 --> 00:00:18,000 Hunter co-wrote things finally came together late last year and 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,400 Hunter took a break from filming season two to chat with Lord, 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,100 about art, astrology, Antarctica and more. 8 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:24,900 We hope you enjoyed that episode. 9 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:30,600 Okay, shall we? Let me go. 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,000 All right, let's do it after. All right. 11 00:00:35,100 --> 00:00:37,200 Hello. This is Hunter Shaffer. 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,900 And this is Lord and we are talking for the a24 podcast. 13 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:43,200 Hello. My queen. 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,900 Wonderful. How are you? 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,900 I am great. Thank you doing this on a very 16 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:52,900 warm Sunday. Yeah, and holy won't very 17 00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:54,600 toasty, walk over here. Yeah. 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:01:00,800 Yeah, we were. At the event about the power of 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,700 women the other night. Yes, you know, you introduced me 20 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:10,300 very sweetly and it really touched me. 21 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:13,800 I, we kill though, public speaking moments. 22 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:18,500 We tried we used a teleprompters as needed and I just sort of 23 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:21,200 flag someone down. It was like, alcohol, please. 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,400 Yeah, they brought us the funniest like pink drink. 25 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,000 It was with a great pink. Flower and he's truly someone's 26 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,900 interpretation girl. Yeah, you know, yeah drank, but 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,600 ripped their, you hate your job and then we just. 28 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,300 Oh God. Yeah, Angelina Jolie got up 29 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:41,600 right after us. Yeah crazy. 30 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,800 I was like like they should have to resit the whole stage. 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,800 You know, she's like the queen. Yeah. 32 00:01:48,100 --> 00:01:50,400 Yeah, her face. Oh my God. 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,000 Divine in real life. Simply device so much fun to 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,900 look at. Yeah. 35 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:57,500 I feel like that kind of event. There are a lot of Exquisite 36 00:01:57,500 --> 00:01:59,300 faces. Yeah, you really realize. 37 00:01:59,300 --> 00:02:04,000 Oh, this is what it's all about. Yeah, I mean, and women and 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,000 family. Yeah, but you go see today, this 39 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,200 is yeah. This is quite far from 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,200 womenswear. I'm just liking. 41 00:02:12,700 --> 00:02:13,800 Yeah. Well, these are proud of pants 42 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,900 actually been to draw my it. See I know I'm in the presence 43 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:22,300 of the product. So when did that start? 44 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:26,300 And what does that mean to you, like being a part of God, for? 45 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:28,400 Is that something you had like likes? 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,600 You grow up understanding of prouder because you're into 47 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,300 fashion. Like I've seen your design. 48 00:02:33,300 --> 00:02:35,000 Yeah. Yeah, beautiful. 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,300 Really. Thank you Groove really into 50 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:40,800 fashion. And I think I was more 51 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,500 interested in Mew Mew growing up just because there was something 52 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:48,400 like kind of more baby doll about it. 53 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,800 And I feel like every like trans girl has this Rite of Passage 54 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,000 through the baby doll Arrow or like, you gotta dress like the 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,000 five. Girl that you never got to be 56 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:02,300 right. So I was I found that in Mew Mew 57 00:03:02,300 --> 00:03:06,800 I think of but then recently I mean just with work and life 58 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,400 changing really fast. I was I just told my team, I was 59 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,700 like, you know, proud of doing some sick shit right now and 60 00:03:14,700 --> 00:03:17,800 wrap Simmons is there and you know, what can we do with them? 61 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,500 And then a few days later they week, they came back with an 62 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:24,200 offer crazy. Oh cool. 63 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,200 So don't say that. Like, only you You could be. 64 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,300 Is there any kind of fashion girl, you would like to be? 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,300 Yeah, I mean, so I like grew up differently. 66 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:45,100 Consuming a lot of shows on. It wasn't called Vogue Runway at 67 00:03:45,108 --> 00:03:47,400 the time. But what we now yeah Grand way 68 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,200 it was like very into fashion was a big calm head. 69 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,900 Oh sis with calm. Yeah. 70 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,600 Huge Phoebe. Philo saline. 71 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,700 Yes. Course, I'm still, you know, and 72 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:03,000 I sort of have like, a little collection of those pieces going 73 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,100 on, but nice. It's, you know, it's kind of the 74 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:10,000 Wild West for Phoebe Philo, Celine fans, the prices of 75 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:13,300 skyrocketed, you know, I don't want to even imagine. 76 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:15,400 No, no. No, it's a bad habit. 77 00:04:16,300 --> 00:04:20,800 But no, I liked. I like to really sort of big 78 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,400 strange clothes. I liked a lot of fabric. 79 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,100 Really structural, you know, there was no kind of shape that 80 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:32,300 I was afraid of and I was sort of the opposite to you and I was 81 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:39,500 like not King to confront my femininity or my sexuality quite 82 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:42,900 yeah, you know, is that car? Like I'm literally been talked 83 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:46,000 about my body. Yeah, so I would sort of yeah. 84 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,300 Find these pieces that were really I think of them now is 85 00:04:49,300 --> 00:04:50,600 like cloaks. Yeah. 86 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,600 Like a magician's cloak. Yeah. 87 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,900 I remember when when I Saw you in concert when I was, like 14 88 00:04:58,900 --> 00:05:01,200 or 15 or something? You. 89 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,400 Yeah, you had, I think you did you or like a cloak? 90 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,700 Maybe it definitely would have. Yeah, that was my cloak. 91 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:13,200 Yeah, and then like some super badass baggy pants and maybe 92 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,400 like a crop top or something which is go to silhouette. 93 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,400 Yeah. Yes. 94 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:19,700 Yeah. I love. 95 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:22,600 I love to suit as a kid and I look back. 96 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,100 I'm like, it's kind of funny to be like 15, 16 and I just like 97 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:29,200 wearing a Santa suit. Yeah, it's kind of tough. 98 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:32,800 Yeah, I'm proud of it. Yeah, looking back. 99 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:36,700 I have so many questions for you. 100 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:40,200 I do want to talk to you a little bit more about your 101 00:05:40,700 --> 00:05:46,500 visual art practice because I think of it as like a big part 102 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:48,900 of you as a creative. And obviously, I don't like know 103 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:50,400 that much about yours is creative. 104 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,100 But you do these incredible drawings that you were such a 105 00:05:54,100 --> 00:05:59,600 talented visual artist and I can Even imagine having that arm to 106 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,700 what I can do and how I can express myself. 107 00:06:02,700 --> 00:06:06,000 So I wanted to know like yeah, is that something you've always 108 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,600 done and what like Place does that occupy for you? 109 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,700 Yeah. Do you are you making a lot of 110 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:15,600 visual art? Yeah, but I'm like, tell me like 111 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,500 it goes and way. I've been doing it. 112 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:20,000 Like, literally, ever since I can remember. 113 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,600 Like, instead of like sitting me down front of a TV. 114 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,200 My parents would just like, stick me down. 115 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Front of a table with with just like paper and crayons and stuff 116 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,100 and just let me go loose on there. 117 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:39,900 And then I think something parallel to an addiction was 118 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:44,800 formed with drawing and yeah ever since I can remember if 119 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,000 there's something in my hand, like the innate feeling is to 120 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,100 just doodle and that I feel like that's where the bulk of red 121 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:59,000 drawing stuff happens is in like just margins of Papers and like 122 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,700 right agenda. It's cool was just full of 123 00:07:01,700 --> 00:07:04,300 fucking drawings. That's so cool. 124 00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:09,200 Yeah, I went to this state-funded visual art school 125 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,100 for my last two years of high school and kind of got like 126 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:16,200 trained and it was it was interesting going to school for 127 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:18,900 a thing. That was like just like my thing 128 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:24,200 for the first time and then in like that's now part of like 129 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,600 being grated and stuff and I don't know. 130 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,000 It's a weird. It's a weird thing. 131 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,900 Once a passion turns into either like School worker or something 132 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:37,200 lucrative. You know, I'm sure you feel that 133 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,200 too, with music maybe because I started making music not long 134 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,400 after I started getting paid to make music. 135 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,500 Like, I don't know. It wasn't a big adjustment I 136 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:52,800 guess. But no, it is a funny thing. 137 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,300 It's something I've been thinking about recently, 138 00:07:54,300 --> 00:08:00,100 actually, like this thing that I think of my work, as I get to 139 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:04,500 play, just get to go to a studio and play, you know, for months 140 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:06,400 at a time and months turned into years. 141 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,800 And I'm still there playing like, it's feels no different to 142 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:14,300 playing at school playing with, you know, like my little dolls 143 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:17,600 that I would smash. Yeah, you would make dolls to. 144 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:19,500 Oh, yeah. What kind of God make? 145 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:20,000 Oh my God. Okay. 146 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,900 So, while my preschool teacher would make these incredible 147 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:27,800 dolls that you would Get like I don't know if you have it here 148 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,500 like a they call it a Kewpie doll, like a little plastic kind 149 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:36,100 of dull and she would glue these really intricate kind of skirts 150 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:38,000 to them. And it's beautiful kind of 151 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,500 glittery Fabrics, but my favorites were, she would find a 152 00:08:42,508 --> 00:08:46,800 little baby doll and it would go inside a walnut shell, why? 153 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,500 And it was, she would make a little bid for it and a walnut. 154 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:54,000 So it's like a little baby. Like the fairies would have 155 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,200 liked their baby, and it just like that. 156 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,100 Really? Wow. 157 00:08:58,700 --> 00:09:02,600 Yeah, that is yep. I was making all kinds of shit 158 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,200 tube. Very crafty. 159 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,400 Yeah. Crafty child. 160 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,700 Yeah, I feel like if you I mean, I know you're this kind of 161 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:12,800 person because I just know these people when I see them that you 162 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,900 have a very rich in a world and you and just need to, like, go 163 00:09:16,900 --> 00:09:19,500 there and, you know, dial and times 1000. 164 00:09:19,500 --> 00:09:22,500 Yeah, just be sort of in your own thing. 165 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:25,500 Yeah. Yeah, the sort of crafty. 166 00:09:26,300 --> 00:09:28,600 Writing and reading and drawing exactly. 167 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,700 All those pastimes were. Yeah, for that. 168 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:32,900 As a kid. Did you find so much? 169 00:09:32,900 --> 00:09:36,500 Did you ever like because I assume you're quite an inner 170 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:37,700 World. /? Yeah. 171 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:43,800 Did you ever try to like like actually map it out or create 172 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,000 some version of it in real life. Oh my gosh, that's a great 173 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,200 question. Well, maybe not in so many 174 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,600 words, but I remember Tavi gevinson, whose friend of mine 175 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,900 who's, you know, so amazing and Of like that. 176 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,000 It was sort of The High Priestess of the inner World, 177 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,800 Knowledge in the inner world. As a teenager for me rocky rocky 178 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:08,900 represent, but she she would do this. 179 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:12,100 Amazing sort of color coding of her journals. 180 00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:14,900 She would this whole system of symbols. 181 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:18,400 And yeah, they'd go with sort of correspond to different emotions 182 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,100 or different parts of hers, which was so amazing to me, but 183 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:24,500 I've never been someone who journals. 184 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:28,000 I just like, I don't Write down anything about me. 185 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,800 So I don't know why, and I've tried I'm trying to just kind of 186 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:32,500 get into it. Yeah, it's like a bad actually 187 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:33,800 surprises. I know. 188 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,200 I know. No, it's not bad. 189 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,000 I'm where do they go? Hazing? 190 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,900 I know. Well, I guess I into songs 191 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:41,500 really like notes, which is such a heinous. 192 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:45,200 Oh, yeah, that's a bad place for them. 193 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,700 You know, she has like 20 or more books and she keeps them in 194 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:54,700 this a fireproof safe. Like I've seen the interview so 195 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:56,100 cool. I was like her. 196 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,500 Biggest fan, but before she really cake. 197 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,400 But yeah, yeah. You said, will you work for a 198 00:11:02,408 --> 00:11:05,000 rookie? Yeah, you did my first job. 199 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,100 No. Yeah, they hate going to do. 200 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,900 This is a sign. This is a scoop for me. 201 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:16,700 Let's see. Yeah. 202 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:24,300 I I was like I said in an avid, Tommy Gavin's and Stan in like 203 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:33,300 freshman year of high school. All and on Instagram I in my 204 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:40,000 fandom - posted I cut out a picture of toffee with an exacto 205 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,700 knife from a magazine shoot because I like collected 206 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:48,700 everything that she was in and then like I held her little 207 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:52,900 paper hand and and took a picture of the of the cutout and 208 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:56,600 posted it for her birthday. It? 209 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:00,400 Yeah, I guess she. She found it and then found my 210 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,900 account with my art on it and asked me to be a contributor. 211 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,500 And I had a meltdown and then contributed for like a few 212 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:09,700 years. Oh my gosh. 213 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:11,000 It's a go back and look at these. 214 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,800 I bet I'd sold them at the time. Maybe. 215 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,400 But oh my God, it was so yeah, my work is changed a lot. 216 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:23,500 Yeah, but no actual, but it was so, so cute and I'm glad rookie 217 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:25,400 still a relic. I think they'd still up. 218 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,000 Yeah, though. Oh, they stopped putting stuff 219 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,100 out. Ya know. 220 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:30,800 I've seen that too. I have thought about it. 221 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,500 Recently. I read an article about. 222 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,000 Yeah, the the sort of having those spaces for for teens. 223 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,200 Yeah. Yeah. 224 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,400 And how cool that was. And they talk about sassy as 225 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,800 well, which is yeah. I kind of sort of 90s magazine 226 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,500 that Hank inspired rookie and you know, so cool to yeah. 227 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:52,400 I wonder if I'm sure kids are creating those spaces for 228 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,400 themselves. Yeah. 229 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,200 I'm out of the game. You know, it's kind of crazy. 230 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:58,000 You think of that? Yeah. 231 00:12:58,300 --> 00:13:01,800 Teenaged. Yeah, like I'm 24. 232 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,000 Your 22. And it's one of those things. 233 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,600 I never thought I would be outside of. 234 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:13,100 I know it's sort of a grieving. It was never never For Better or 235 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:14,800 For Worse. Oh my god. 236 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:18,700 Do kind of miss it. Sometimes though. 237 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:24,300 Just because where we're at now seems like such a dream world, 238 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:28,100 like so far. Away and unimaginable. 239 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:31,900 Mmm, and it's wild to be in that like, I don't know. 240 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:35,900 What, what your was this like your aspiration like what you're 241 00:13:35,900 --> 00:13:41,500 doing. Now, I main I didn't really have 242 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:48,000 all I thought was I want to I want to make something that 243 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,800 communicates with people, like me, the way I would want to be 244 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,800 communicated with. I was so I just felt like there 245 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,200 was nothing that was talking to people my age. 246 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,400 Like we were real people not from something like rookie, you 247 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,800 know, I was like, where's the musical equivalent of that? 248 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,000 You know, 2012 2013. It was like a bit of a desert. 249 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:12,900 Yeah, there were, you know, young sort of pop artists, I 250 00:14:12,900 --> 00:14:19,000 guess, but like social media was still Lll, not really a big part 251 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,200 of being an artist. So you sort of didn't have that 252 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,900 connection with someone's voice and their personality. 253 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,200 I still remember like I think I said to my label or something, 254 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,600 you know, I'm doing doing Instagram and Twitter. 255 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,500 It's kind of fun and they were like, okay, like good on, you do 256 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:38,400 it. I guess it's just it was like 257 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,500 and now, you know, they're like that's a huge part of. 258 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:44,000 Yeah, it's like completely monetize. 259 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,200 Yeah, you know. It Wild. 260 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:54,100 I feel like I can fully like completely say most of my career 261 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:58,000 stuff has come from fucking Instagram like Nike and you have 262 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,700 to have you have to give that. Yeah the credit that it's just. 263 00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:05,400 Yeah. Yeah. 264 00:15:05,408 --> 00:15:08,700 Yeah. So how did you these are just 265 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:10,300 like questions? I'm interested in. 266 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:13,500 How did you get your roll on you for it? 267 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,800 And was that like an early? Acting role for you. 268 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:20,500 It yeah, I never acted before well for you. 269 00:15:20,900 --> 00:15:26,700 It was not in my plan at all. And then pretty, especially at 270 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:29,200 that point. I'm less shy now because acting 271 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:36,600 is sort of, really broken man. Yeah, but definitely, I was 272 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:42,700 really shy, you know, I was modeling in New York, just 273 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:47,000 really to be making some money and And be in New York and 274 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,600 around an industry that I wanted to work in. 275 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:53,800 But even with the performative stuff of that, I couldn't have 276 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:59,800 dreamed of acting and I'd never been on in a dip like in an 277 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:07,900 audition before. And my agency said, that these 278 00:16:07,900 --> 00:16:11,500 casting people had reached out and asked me to come in and read 279 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:15,400 for this role for this HBO show. I was like, I don't know. 280 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,900 I didn't know what to think of it. 281 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:24,400 And initially I was like like I don't think I want to do it just 282 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:27,100 because it's not my wasn't my thing. 283 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:29,500 I have obviously supposed to go to school in a few months and 284 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:35,500 fashion. But they asked again and I think 285 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:41,500 I ended up going in and yeah, just kept getting called back 286 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:45,600 which was really surprising and surprising. 287 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:47,900 Yeah, I can imagine what happened after they met. 288 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:52,400 You all of their Prospect sort of just falling away what you 289 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,100 have and that role like there was just no one else. 290 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:59,600 All right, God, it's insane. I mean it is it's so cool to 291 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,100 think about like, what other Into Jewels. 292 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:06,400 There could have been because she's so closely like neide to 293 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,200 Mighty. I don't think about any of them. 294 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:12,500 There are no other bitch, but it's kind of fun like like a 295 00:17:12,508 --> 00:17:14,900 giant watch Teen, Titans know, what is that? 296 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:18,400 Oh, it's a, wow. I bring this up a lot of time 297 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,099 but there's like this character. It's like a teen superhero show. 298 00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:27,300 And this is character Raven who was always my favorite. 299 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:29,500 And yeah, there was like an episode where she divided up 300 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:32,500 into like 10 versions of herself and he won It was a different 301 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:37,500 color of the rainbow Spectrum, but wow, tangent. 302 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:39,800 Yeah, I got that with jewels. Yeah. 303 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,300 Yeah, like what other actors could have done? 304 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,700 It's kind of fun. Have you ever acted? 305 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,800 I actually acted before I sang My Music really? 306 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,800 Yeah. I was in like a drama group in 307 00:17:54,808 --> 00:17:59,000 my neighborhood. Wow, from age five to about 13 308 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,700 or 14, so it wasn't in school now. 309 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:03,700 On your own towel. Yeah, 10. 310 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:04,700 Yeah. Own time. 311 00:18:04,700 --> 00:18:09,300 We're absolutely loved it. I yeah, I was just chronically 312 00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:12,200 painfully shy. And this was the thing that made 313 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,600 me feel like I was powerful and yeah. 314 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,700 And like, you know, and being someone else and speaking, I 315 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:25,200 could put that aside that shyness and yeah, just like 316 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,600 deepest sort of big prisons, which I loved and yeah, I did. 317 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,200 And I did that for a long time. I do think about it, but I think 318 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,500 like I was not a good actor. I think if I really think about 319 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:39,200 it, like I wasn't good. I can't I could memorize words 320 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,900 and I could like project but I'm like, you know, I don't I can 321 00:18:42,900 --> 00:18:50,200 feel it like, you know at times my music job has required me to 322 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,000 do like a tiny bit of acting with her. 323 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,300 It's like and a music video. Like just like look up and look 324 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:58,300 surprised and I do it like, oh God. 325 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,100 Music video, sound fun to film. You actually actually have a 326 00:19:06,108 --> 00:19:08,700 question about this. Do you actually get to listen to 327 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:11,900 the music for them? The entire day, the entire day, 328 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:13,200 the entire day. It's all your doing. 329 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,100 You're listening to the song over and over and over. 330 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:17,800 And the one thing I didn't know about when I started making 331 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,200 videos. Sometimes they will shoot at a 332 00:19:20,208 --> 00:19:24,100 different frame rate. And so you have to sing to a 333 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:28,300 version that is either like twice as slow, or twice as fast, 334 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:34,600 which is crazy. Like Oh my God, I think rappers 335 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:37,600 like, who are just like spitting? 336 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,700 Yeah, like taking a 24-hour videos as well. 337 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:44,400 It makes things look really like it perk and yeah. 338 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,900 Yeah, I mean slow-mo. So she just it shit looks cool. 339 00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:49,400 Yeah. It's like slow and but doesn't 340 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,300 look slimmer. It's a crazy thing I've done in 341 00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:53,200 years. But yeah, no, you listen to the 342 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,600 song all day. We recently shot a bunch of 343 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,600 videos did six or seven for this album. 344 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:05,000 New Zealand. Solar power for some foul. 345 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:12,100 Yeah, and yeah, we were like on this beach for like 10 days or 346 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:14,200 something. Sighs solar power or that way. 347 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,800 Yeah, that base. Yeah. 348 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,800 The video so much fun. Thank you. 349 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,100 Yeah, it was, it was so fun. But just like that was my first 350 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:25,000 experience co-directing. And like I knew co-directed that 351 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 yeah in like written all the treatments and like basically, 352 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,500 you know, almost helped produce it like I was super super 353 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:35,200 involved, but it was It was such a so much fun that experience of 354 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:36,800 being on a set. Cool. 355 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:41,500 This is this is fun. If only I could act, I could be 356 00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:45,900 doing you were serving whatever the vibe of that song is in the 357 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:48,300 video. I could I could feel it through 358 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,700 my screen. Thank you. 359 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,600 How'd you ever directed before? No, I think I had like I think 360 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,300 it's like a classic thing for young women. 361 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:01,400 You're like. Oh, I think I do this thing. 362 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,700 But I've never been credited with a yeah ever. 363 00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:07,800 Like, talk to me about, you know, whether it's like music 364 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,200 production or video directing or, you know, graphic design 365 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,400 stuff like people dressed. Yeah. 366 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,800 It takes a second to be like, hey, I know what I've 367 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,000 contributed to this and, you know, I think my credit should 368 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,300 reflect that. Absolutely, this differently 369 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:25,900 than a process for me, figuring out how to voice that. 370 00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:27,200 But yeah. Yeah. 371 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,400 So this is my first, like, time. Being called a director. 372 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:33,200 Yeah. But yes, it was so fun. 373 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:39,000 Yeah, you got the title. Yeah, so okay. 374 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,300 I have a bunch of questions for you. 375 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:45,900 I deserve mind, there's more, there's more videos. 376 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:48,300 There's more. Yeah, they collect myself as a 377 00:21:48,308 --> 00:21:49,200 fan. Yeah. 378 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:58,300 I wanted to talk about I want to let your episode actually that 379 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:00,600 you wrote. Yeah before it. 380 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,300 Which was so Awesome color elves. 381 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,400 Yeah, I wrote it. Yeah, it was so beautiful. 382 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:11,700 I mean I really yeah I could see. 383 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,100 I don't know. I just all the time when I 384 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,100 watching you do stuff. I can tell that there are so 385 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:25,300 much to come like you just keep unfoldings. 386 00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:26,800 Another layer. There's another layer and I feel 387 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,200 like this episode was like 10 wires. 388 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,500 You might of layers. Ya did it feel? 389 00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:34,100 That way to you. What was the experience like, 390 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:36,400 right? Yeah, and what made you want to 391 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,200 write an episode? Definitely. 392 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:42,800 Once again, it wasn't necessarily something that I was 393 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,300 looking for. I think of myself as not that 394 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:51,000 great with Words, which is why draw and paint and stuff like 395 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,200 that. Because that feels so much 396 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,400 easier than trying to articulate myself with these shits words. 397 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,600 He's shit. Yeah, they're really annoying. 398 00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:11,800 I find them constricting, but, but yeah, Sam and I were just 399 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,700 talking a lot of the pandemic. We had played around writing 400 00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:21,700 this other movie out of sheer boredom and wanting to be back 401 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:24,500 at work. And and so we already had that 402 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:26,200 Dynamic established a little bit. 403 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,000 And in, he was thinking about doing Jewels episode after 404 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,200 writing. The roux episode and we just 405 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,800 started talking about it and got into it and eventually he was 406 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,800 just like this kind of sounds like dialogue. 407 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,900 Should we do this together? And I was like, oh fuck. 408 00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:44,400 Yeah. Hmm, and we did it in like a 409 00:23:44,408 --> 00:23:49,500 week, the first draft. Um, but writing is really cool. 410 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:55,400 Actually. There's some may be particularly 411 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:02,300 with with Sam because he's a pretty visual thinker to and and 412 00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:05,600 really rhythmic, there's something like musical about 413 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,400 like writing a script as well because you're kind of having to 414 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,300 like Envision the beets and the like you really are having to 415 00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:16,800 play out the entire thing in your head and then figure out 416 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,700 how to say that or communicate that and like as few words as 417 00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:25,000 possible, plus whatever dialogue is happening, but it's really 418 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:31,900 fun that way because it's like making a map for or like a 419 00:24:31,908 --> 00:24:37,000 blueprint for this thing that could be very real. 420 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,600 It's really wild to like write about a room and then like a 421 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,400 month later walk into that room. You wrote about totally that's a 422 00:24:44,408 --> 00:24:45,700 crazy feeling. Yeah. 423 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:52,700 Yeah, but It was, it was definitely like the most 424 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:56,500 cathartic artistic experience. I've had so far in life. 425 00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:02,100 I felt that and I wanted to ask you about it because, you know, 426 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:10,800 it was such a, it's such a deep exploration of of, femininity of 427 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,700 transferability of, you know, desire and physicality. 428 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,500 The likes of which they feel like I hadn't ever really seen, 429 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,300 you know her before some of those. 430 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:24,200 Wow. Yes. 431 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,400 Thoughts. I thought it was like a real and 432 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,300 like, I'm, you know, don't like truly not already on this at 433 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:34,400 all, obviously, but I felt like it was a real entry into a young 434 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,200 trans girl Cannon or something at felt really, really big in 435 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,100 that way. It's supposed to be. 436 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:43,900 Yeah, there's no not at all. It was yet mission accomplished, 437 00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:46,700 but I was interested to know how. 438 00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:51,400 Yeah, we're We're we're the liners with sort of personal 439 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,300 and, and you know, how much of that is that character? 440 00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:58,600 And how much of that is you because, you know, always with 441 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,600 something really personally. I want to know like, is that 442 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,700 her? Where's that home? 443 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,200 I read a lot of water fiction. You know, I think it's like a 444 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,100 basic questionnaire, that you're not really supposed to ask like 445 00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:13,400 is that you will the character. But I know I was curious about 446 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,000 it. It's really, which parts of 447 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,100 yourself, you know, you brought in which parts felt like they 448 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:19,000 were doing. This to it. 449 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:28,200 Yeah, it's it's wild. I mean the whole show and Sam 450 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:32,200 who taught me how to act and right and all of these things 451 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,200 literally from the ground up. He's he's trained in method 452 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,500 acting. So there's a bit of a basis of 453 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:42,900 that. They're which yields pretty 454 00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:45,400 blurry lines, pretty fast. I think. 455 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,200 Do you kind of do a bit of a method? 456 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:53,500 I don't have like a technique. Okay, like like they tried to 457 00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:55,900 the casting director, tried to stick me in this. 458 00:26:56,900 --> 00:27:01,700 This acting class in New York with this guy who like, fucking 459 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:05,300 trained some crazy actors. And but it was the method 460 00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:09,600 technique. Wow, and I made it two weeks 461 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:16,100 long class before I had to drop out because it is so hardcore 462 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:20,800 like that technique as a as a Oh my God, like not right for 463 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,000 everyone. Like know their works here at 464 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,500 really works. Yeah, I can imagine being born a 465 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:30,300 nineteen-year-old. Like I had weighed too much 466 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,500 going on to figure out how to like completely become someone 467 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:36,500 else for a long period of time. No. 468 00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:44,100 Totally. But there that the episode is a 469 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:45,800 lot of. There's a lot of me in it. 470 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,700 Um, and even Jules as a character in the first season 471 00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:53,500 was sort of built around. A lot of are like a lot of my 472 00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:56,200 experiences fall in line with hers or Sam. 473 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:02,200 So it's like a bit of a mixture of both of us, but I'd been 474 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,000 through a lot that pandemic summer as well. 475 00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:09,100 I don't know how the pandemic was for you, particularly in the 476 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:15,300 quarantine ones, but definitely lost my shit a little, right. 477 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:21,900 Yeah, so I'd been through a lot. And kind of just coming out of 478 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:25,400 that, really rough patch when we started writing it. 479 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:32,600 So I had all this just like energy that was doing and that 480 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,500 got poured into it, at least for the acting as well. 481 00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:40,900 I feel like I was saving a lot of men, a lot of shit to, like, 482 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:43,400 get out for the days that we filmed. 483 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,700 It was crazy watching you in that episode. 484 00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:47,900 That was definitely like another layer again. 485 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:49,400 Yeah. Yeah, so so real. 486 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,400 Yeah, so there was like a lot of real emotions coming out in that 487 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:58,400 Jude as well. House special to get to 488 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,800 metabolize it in that way. Yeah. 489 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:02,900 It really. What is so therapeutic. 490 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:09,000 Yeah, do you feel that way with like songwriting or could you 491 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000 write all your stuff, right? I showed up. 492 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,800 Yeah, do you feel that way with it or or? 493 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,900 I also know you have them? Yes. 494 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:25,100 Nothing, nothing. The fact, but do you feel that 495 00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:30,700 way when writing or is it sort of something more like post 496 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:33,900 having the feelings? Or do you gotta like, oh, I'm 497 00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:35,700 having a feeling right now. I got to like, save it for 498 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:36,800 later. Whatever provide. 499 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,900 No Patty could like get this out and stuff. 500 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,700 Well, I I do find. I find songwriting to be really, 501 00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:49,700 I guess it is cathodic. Like I think, By the time I 502 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,900 finish the song I've helped to reconcile what it is. 503 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:58,700 Like if it's something that is sort of grappling with something 504 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:02,400 that is a bit more naughty. Like I remember that with 505 00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:05,900 liability actually which is in your episode. 506 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:10,800 Yeah, Frazier was such a treat for me and sent me the same and 507 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,100 I literally shed a tear which does not happen for me. 508 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:17,000 Realize that away. It fucking matched up with that. 509 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,200 He's just matched up by itself. Like, helmet. 510 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,800 We didn't even have to add. It was insane, so beautiful. 511 00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:27,500 No, but when I was writing that song guide get around a big 512 00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:33,300 wake-up Hunter when I get, when I was writing that song, before 513 00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:35,700 I started writing. I had been year, like, carrying 514 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:38,000 around the sort of big naughty feeling. 515 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,800 I was feeling to feeling. Yeah, just like too much and too 516 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,700 big and like, people were going to come along and be like, okay, 517 00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:52,800 turns out you're crazy, got to go and I could just see this 518 00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:57,600 cycle of sort of people being drawn to my light and then 519 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:01,500 tapping out when it got too crazy unfolding in front of me 520 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:04,300 and you're writing the song about and sort of like 521 00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:10,100 reclaiming that being like, yeah, I am a lot and this is it, 522 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:15,500 you know, choose to indulge and, you know, stick it out and good 523 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,200 things will happen. So I feel like yeah, like that. 524 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,400 I definitely remember that as an example and I remember to 525 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,500 actually as this was in New York at the time and I was like 19 or 526 00:31:26,508 --> 00:31:31,600 20 maybe sort of carrying around those big heartbreak and it just 527 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,100 felt like the original heartbreak, you know, like, no 528 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:36,900 one else. Yeah. 529 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:48,000 Oh, yeah, it was describing it like this. 530 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:52,900 Like bubble around me and I just felt like, you know what? 531 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:57,400 I've got this this big. I've got all this pale purple, 532 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:03,400 this bubble now and it's okay. Like I've fortified myself 533 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,400 against this, this feeling that, you know, someone might try to 534 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,200 live with me so that that was like a total and it is yeah. 535 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,600 Well, it should feel like that. I think when you've when you've 536 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,200 done it, right? Well, that's what I yeah, that's 537 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,900 what I like about. Like an armor. 538 00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:22,000 Some Yeah, yeah, totally and and yeah, just sort of getting to 539 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,300 move something through and and understand it, you know, a song 540 00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:29,300 might start with her fear. You know, I'm scared that my dog 541 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:30,400 is going to die. Yeah. 542 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,900 Or something. And then. 543 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,300 Yeah. And in writing that you sort of 544 00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,400 yeah, help to. Yeah. 545 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,800 Chants of that soon. Feel it and at. 546 00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:44,900 Yeah, but you're the saddest things are is a weird kind of 547 00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:47,500 weird thing. I've yeah, I don't know if I 548 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,000 mean, it sounds like you You have a little bit of it that 549 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,200 you've said that thing about Max a couple of times. 550 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,400 Yeah, interesting to me that you want this like yeah. 551 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,300 Classification system or something. 552 00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:04,200 It is kind of weird. Yeah, but I think yeah, it's a 553 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,700 sounds visual to me, you know, and it is yeah. 554 00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:12,400 Cuz like inside of my head is a scramble all the time just like 555 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,900 mess. I've pretty intense ADHD, so it 556 00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:21,700 was like, it's just I feel like writing stuff down and mapping 557 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,300 it. These brought one today, but I'm 558 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:28,300 saying these notebooks are these little note pads. 559 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,500 I love that. Nobody would she what star sign 560 00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:34,300 are you? I'm a Capricorn. 561 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,200 Okay, interesting. Yeah. 562 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,400 What are you? I was Scorpia. 563 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,400 Oh, we're like it actually in school. 564 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,700 But yeah, I just totally understands Capricorns and I 565 00:33:45,708 --> 00:33:48,100 just love your eyes. Thank you so much. 566 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,200 Prolonged. You know what? 567 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,600 That is. Yes, go for you. 568 00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:54,100 Yes reluctant. Yeah, but yeah, I do think of 569 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:57,600 capcom's is needing systems. Yeah, make it through. 570 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,100 Like yeah, it's just I didn't think I was that way or feel. 571 00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:04,600 Like I rejected that treat for a while because I was like, no I 572 00:34:04,608 --> 00:34:07,700 want to be free spirit. 100. Yeah. 573 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:11,699 And go with the flow, but but you identify with your Scorpio - 574 00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:15,400 I do I do big time. It's yeah, it's cool. 575 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,900 It was a very passionate strong. And dislikes, sort of Mercurial 576 00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:25,000 my main way I am always like, damn, bitch. 577 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,500 You're a Scorpio is with how I befriend. 578 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:33,199 I'm very takes me a long time. I don't make friends easily. 579 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:38,000 But if I bring you in like urine for life, and I'm going to leave 580 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,300 you better than I found you, you know, you're going to like, 581 00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:43,500 that's beautiful. Yeah. 582 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:46,400 I it's like a whole commitment. Yeah. 583 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,900 For Better or For Worse. The Scorpio eyes on mine with 584 00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:52,800 that. My first girlfriend was a was a 585 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,900 Scorpio and I swear that's like she did something with her eyes 586 00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:59,700 and it was like over. Oh my God. 587 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,500 Yeah, but do you find your you like your compatibilities are 588 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,500 true to like with without. Do you pay attention at the 589 00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:09,600 astrology? Yeah. 590 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,100 I have this like this amazing. Seventies astrology called Linda 591 00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:18,100 Goodman, who I got really into so she has a book called. 592 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,100 Sun Signs and love science. And I gotta say they are 593 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,200 products of the time. Like there's some crazy like 594 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,600 heteronormativity and you know, she's like you're gonna want to 595 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,900 do this for your man because he's gonna want to see this and 596 00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:33,800 I'm like, Oh Linda, I don't know, but they are super 597 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,600 interesting. Their Zeal of signs as like Tom 598 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,200 and it has every possible pairing and it's kind of 599 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,200 fascinating. I love when a friend has just 600 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,500 started. Seeing someone new. 601 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:46,500 I'm like, let's get Linda out. Yeah. 602 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:51,600 She's saying No, I'm I'm known for astrologically. 603 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,000 Turbulent Partnerships that seemed to work really well. 604 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:59,600 But yeah, I do remember looking up potential burger and Linda 605 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,900 was basically like, stop right here. 606 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:04,600 Go. No further. 607 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,000 This will lead to disaster. Did you listen to her night? 608 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,300 It's been great. Yeah. 609 00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:19,100 Yeah. I wanted to ask ask about I 610 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:22,900 guess I wanted to know, like I felt that an in watching that 611 00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:24,800 episode and I keep talking about this episode because they just 612 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,000 think it's so it's so you, you know, I mean, you do your thing 613 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,800 and I love the whole show and whole thing blows me away. 614 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,800 But that, yeah, this episode, it's also like the last bit of 615 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,000 euphoria that I've seen. So, it's pretty fresh in my 616 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000 mind. But yeah, I felt that in writing 617 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,200 that episode, I could feel you saying. 618 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,700 Here's, here's some things that, Die, maybe. 619 00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:53,100 Haven't seen about, you know, the trans firm experience. 620 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:55,100 Like, this is something that I want to portray. 621 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:59,000 They wanted to know if, if there were things that you that you 622 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,300 want about transport rail, whether it's, you know, film or 623 00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:07,700 TV or books, or music, whatever it is, you know, is this 624 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:10,300 something that you I mean, there's so much that needs to 625 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:12,200 move forward, but are there particular things that you 626 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,800 literally want to see that? It won't I crave the sand if in 627 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,200 Italy, so many things, I mean, in general, I think like the 628 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,900 closest thing I have to a spirituality is like is like I 629 00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:30,500 believe in people like riding frequencies or like being in 630 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:34,200 tune with certain frequencies based off of their experience or 631 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,100 whatever, whatever that means. But I feel like there's 632 00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:42,800 specific, frequencies that trans girls and particular like that. 633 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,500 Like, I can hear it in their music. 634 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,500 Um, I can see it in like this. Style. 635 00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:52,700 Like there's an aesthetic and a sound and I think that's that's 636 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:57,000 like something that I really want to keep trying to portray 637 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,300 properly as I keep getting into directing and producing and 638 00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:04,500 writing and all that stuff. Because it's so it's delicious. 639 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,900 And yeah, I want to I want to see it but with budget, you 640 00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:14,600 know, like CGI budget like good CGI budget. 641 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:21,000 Just like like Marvel level. Yeah, I yumminess that it 642 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,500 deserves. I think can someone please 643 00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:28,500 Finance the. Yes so divided by that. 644 00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:30,700 I mean I totally hear that your magic. 645 00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:32,600 Yeah. Animate that mentioned there's a 646 00:38:32,607 --> 00:38:36,500 magic in like it makes me think of like ARCA and Sophie. 647 00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:37,900 I don't know if you have your horse. 648 00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:42,100 Yeah, like you can just wear no needs of you can hear it in 649 00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:46,500 their in their sounds. Um, so Noni so beautiful. 650 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:52,400 Yeah, I think about Think about that a lot and then like maybe I 651 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,300 mean, I really just want to see a trans girl. 652 00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:56,500 Love story. Do you like to trans girls? 653 00:38:56,500 --> 00:39:00,100 Yeah, just that. That's like not a thing really 654 00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:02,400 came in movies. Yeah. 655 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,600 Look. I haven't seen that. 656 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,400 I haven't seen it either. I don't think. 657 00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:07,700 Okay. Well we're voicing it now. 658 00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:10,900 So, yeah, I want to see it. Who knows who might be listening 659 00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:12,600 to this podcast? Exactly. 660 00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,000 Yeah. The girls were financed this 661 00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:16,800 please. Thank you. 662 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,800 Really interesting. Is there anything in the world 663 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,300 that you're that? You feel like is missing just as 664 00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:30,600 far as what you consume that you want to see ya. 665 00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:33,900 Yeah. I mean, you know, I guess just 666 00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:38,500 yet like greater Nuance of portrayal across the board just 667 00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:43,600 like I think yeah, it's cool to be like the I don't think there 668 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,700 was a light beautiful trans girl, you know. 669 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:51,100 Teenager figure on TV when I was a kid. 670 00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:52,900 So that's like, a beautiful thing to see. 671 00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:56,200 But, yeah, just, just going deeper and, and getting that 672 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,100 Nuance everywhere is, is super cool for me. 673 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,900 But no, I don't know. I mean, I'm, I have a weird 674 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,300 like, consumer of popular culture. 675 00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:11,600 I have found myself sort of like, piecing out a little bit 676 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:13,400 on but feeling okay. Don't know where that is. 677 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,800 I think gonna fix this. I know you're off. 678 00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,000 You're not on social media. Yeah. 679 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,600 I think, honestly, part of it is from becoming someone who was 680 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,200 like, creating popular culture quite young. 681 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,300 Yeah, because I was obsessed with growing up. 682 00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:30,400 It was like, just, you know, Candy to me. 683 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,000 I, yeah, I loved and yeah, there's something you do lose a 684 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,300 tiny bit of that magic being the one who's let helping to, you 685 00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:42,600 know, fill the sausage. I don't know. 686 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,700 That's a really weird metaphor, but see how the sausage is made 687 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:54,200 the filling. Yeah, you know, like like famous 688 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,100 songwriter hang out with him a lot and he would only listen to 689 00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:06,000 like jazz or like Motown as I, you never listen to any anything 690 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,500 modern is that they can't. It's work. 691 00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:13,400 Like I'm I'm in it so I can't like I don't get enjoyment and I 692 00:41:13,408 --> 00:41:16,300 was like, oh my God and while that's not you know, fully true 693 00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:18,700 to me. I can like totally Get down to 694 00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,200 pop music. Yeah, there is an element of 695 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:24,500 needing to. Yeah, just go to slightly 696 00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:28,400 different resources to fully, like, let go and enjoy it 697 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,100 because otherwise, I'm way. I hear that person's was working 698 00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:32,700 with that person. I wonder how that we endure 699 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:42,500 today, which is like a bit of a, you know, yeah, since getting 700 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:45,700 off, getting off social media. I've just read more than ever. 701 00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:49,100 It's actually a year of reading. Adding a couple years. 702 00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:51,000 Wow, they read a lot. As a kid. 703 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,700 And then, yeah, if you're spending, like seven hours on 704 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:57,300 your phone, you just like, don't have the time, definitely. 705 00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:00,800 That's been really amazing. And yeah, just trying to expose 706 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,300 myself to different thinkers or, you know, people who are really 707 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,300 just like, Expanding Horizons for me. 708 00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:11,700 I'm quoted a Maggie Nelson on my switch the other day. 709 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,200 I don't know if you have encountered her work at all. 710 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,500 But no, I think you would really like it. 711 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,600 She, yeah. So this amazing book called The 712 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,700 Argonauts which is like a real. Oh, I've heard of yeah. 713 00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:24,200 Real Beacon for a lot of queer kids. 714 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,500 Yeah, and yeah, really goes into this sort of complexities of her 715 00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:31,700 relationship and that you, she's just an amazing thing for. 716 00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:33,400 I love her so much. She's really good. 717 00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:36,200 So I feel like in seeking out people like that. 718 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,800 I helped to sort of see the things that I, it helps to. 719 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,800 Yeah, for me to see what I want. I want to be saying that is 720 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,700 inspiring. Hey, I highly recommend you go. 721 00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:50,500 No, you're so good at some people. 722 00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:55,200 I'm like, they just, you know, you shine on the platform. 723 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,400 Thank for me. I was like, okay, I guess I'm 724 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,300 gonna like, take a selfie. Yeah. 725 00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,200 It was like, it wasn't real. Yeah, just cool. 726 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:11,500 And definitely more distant now than before good trip down. 727 00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:15,000 Yeah. Yeah, I think so. 728 00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:20,500 So you're filming at the moment. By the time, this comes out the 729 00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:23,900 show, maybe out. I think it's some undisclosed 730 00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:25,600 date. Think so. 731 00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:26,600 Yes. Yes. 732 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,900 We got a nod. Yes. 733 00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:34,700 How's that going? It's, it's wild. 734 00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:37,600 I use that word a lot. Me too. 735 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,000 Yeah, it's a great was a good one company. 736 00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:43,800 Yeah. Well, I heard yesterday. 737 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,900 We have six ish weeks left or worse. 738 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,700 Supposed to, well, I think, wow, which is kind of mind-blowing 739 00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:57,200 after just going into filming. One of these seasons is like, 740 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,900 it's really like piece. Like, like, you're just descend 741 00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:06,000 into this world. That's completely, not real, and 742 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,200 then come back up. Now, six weeks eight so long. 743 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,200 What six weeks is a lot still? That seems like a long amount of 744 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,100 time, but you've been doing it for eight months. 745 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:19,000 I think in comparison to the entire season, It feels like 746 00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:22,500 yeah, it feels tiny. I'm like, oh my God, like, at 747 00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:24,100 the end of the tunnel. Yeah. 748 00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,600 It's been an intense season. Mmm. 749 00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:34,400 Learned a lot about myself person acting just wait. 750 00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:38,000 I don't know how to install gods are not allowed to talk about. 751 00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:46,100 Truly have like three shows that I care about it all of this big 752 00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:47,100 one. Oh, my God. 753 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:55,200 Oh, okay. Well, I mean what else do I like 754 00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:59,100 gosh, I mean I do like TV. I'm just I'm bad. 755 00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:02,700 Like honestly, I takes me. I have this weird thing where I 756 00:45:02,707 --> 00:45:06,700 can't, I'll say to myself. Oh, I really want to watch that 757 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:10,800 movie. Mmm, and then I will like it's 758 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,100 almost like making a social engagement and then it gets to 759 00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:15,500 the day and you're like, I don't feel like doing it anymore. 760 00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:18,500 Yeah, it with movies Hunter literally just Months. 761 00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:22,000 I will put a movie on my list and I want I haven't watched. 762 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,400 So you have a list, I have a list, but it's like, it's, I've 763 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,900 been adding shit to it for years. 764 00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:29,300 Yeah, and I take off, literally, maybe want to get like, only 765 00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:30,800 watch maybe two or three movies a year. 766 00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:32,300 Wow. It's like a problem. 767 00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:36,500 I don't know why I find them so immersive, and consumptive that 768 00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:40,100 I need to like, really be in the right head space. 769 00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,800 Yeah, that sounds really intense that. 770 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,500 Yeah, first reformed a24 movie that I love a lot. 771 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:48,000 Yeah. That was that was one of the A 772 00:45:48,008 --> 00:45:52,100 few a couple of years ago and just out totally went down the 773 00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:53,600 rabbit hole of that. It forgot. 774 00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:55,900 I can't recommend enough. Exactly. 775 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,200 But you know, I'm very excited for the show. 776 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,300 What about you? How do you engage with TV with 777 00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:07,800 film at what shows are you? Yeah, I think it's kind of 778 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:15,200 annoying ever since getting into the making of this stuff right 779 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,000 now. Same thing. 780 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,600 You like. I'm the sausage mate. 781 00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,900 Yeah. But it's also like I understand 782 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,300 like what it looks like outside of the frame and like what 783 00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:27,400 everyone's doing. And now I'm I'm like been 784 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,400 trained to like analyze shot and see how it becomes a game of 785 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,200 like analyzing it. Yeah, they used that light there 786 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,000 with that gel and hope was that the right decisions that there 787 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:41,000 is? No. 788 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,500 I feel like I'm only like half watching. 789 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,400 I feel like I got to watch things a few times to like 790 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,300 really to really Absorb them, but I just trust that that will 791 00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:57,300 happen naturally. If it's meant to like like flea 792 00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:02,700 bag of watching several times or I may destroy you several times. 793 00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:04,400 Oh we've seen that one. Cool. 794 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,200 Yeah. Michaela Cole. 795 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,500 I just go to his book last week. She just wrote this book. 796 00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:12,200 What? It's like a little she did the 797 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,300 speech. I think in 2018, they sort of 798 00:47:14,308 --> 00:47:17,900 like packaged as a book, but I can't just take a little time. 799 00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:20,000 Misfits so cool. Oh my God. 800 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,900 I didn't know she's amazing me. Okay, obsessed with it. 801 00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:24,300 Yeah, me too. Unbeliev. 802 00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:26,100 Just gold. Yeah, that one is my. 803 00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,800 We really that unfolds. Oh my God? 804 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,900 Insane. Yeah. 805 00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:34,000 Oh just hearing about her process to and yeah, she's also 806 00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:37,400 not on social media like true if she tried. 807 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,700 She's cool like that. And is there anything else? 808 00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:46,900 We should know before questions that I can ask them in my own 809 00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:48,200 time one thing? Things. 810 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,600 Yes, Antarctica. Oh, yeah, have to ask like, I'm 811 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,500 not even sure how to approach asking about it because it's 812 00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:00,700 fucking Antarctica. But when did, when did you last 813 00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:04,500 couple years ago? I went at the beginning of 2019. 814 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,700 Wow. Yeah, so while ago now, wow, 815 00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:09,600 yeah, and I had been like totally obsessed with it. 816 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,200 My whole childhood I had had books on Antarctica because new 817 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,800 zealanders seven hours away, so you, wow, closest. 818 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,500 Then like most countries. Don't even think about that. 819 00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:23,100 Yeah, so you sort of grow up knowing a lot about it. 820 00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:27,400 And yeah, I was just like so into the history and that sort 821 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,200 of race to the South Pole. This like big dramatic sort of 822 00:48:31,207 --> 00:48:36,200 20th century, you know, like Explorer shirt, people were, you 823 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,400 know, going on behalf of the queen was like psychotic but in 824 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,200 like dying, you know, it's so dramatic, but so I was really 825 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:49,300 into it being and then, you know starting to Just relate engage 826 00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:52,600 more with our planet. I was sort of like, oh my God, I 827 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,900 think I need to go there. I had this like they had the 828 00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:58,400 reaction which are kind of not supposed to have, which is like 829 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,600 people call it last chance tourism. 830 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,400 Like, I got to go there before it's too late, you know, and 831 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,800 that was sort of my first thought and going to Antarctica 832 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,600 and actually going there. And having that experience made 833 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,800 me realize. Oh no, you cannot go around 834 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,600 doing this. Like, this is actually opposite 835 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,900 of what you're supposed to do, you know, you didn't. 836 00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:19,600 And there's like, well, like, I probably shouldn't have gone to 837 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,600 entice. Okay, you know, really does this 838 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,700 like pop star. Like it's probably kind of 839 00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:27,800 naughty to use those resources, burn, that jet fuel. 840 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,700 But like I've tried to sort of, I wrote this book and the 841 00:49:31,707 --> 00:49:37,000 proceeds went to a couple of scholarships for people to do 842 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,500 the doctorates and climate. So, hopefully, there's a nice 843 00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:46,200 sort of way of, yeah, going back, but it was so amazing. 844 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,000 I did really was the best five days of my entire life. 845 00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:53,200 I will never do anything like it again. 846 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,700 It was so crazy from start to finish. 847 00:49:56,700 --> 00:50:01,300 Like you get in this plane, which is like a military plane, 848 00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:04,500 like an American Military pant, which looks at nothing like a 849 00:50:04,508 --> 00:50:08,500 normal person who can like it's like exposed like wire and just 850 00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:11,800 exact and so and you really do feel like you're like going to 851 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:17,800 space like you're departing any normal world that you've yeah. 852 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,300 Existed in before and then you just land on the ice. 853 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,000 There's a Runway. Like you're just the conditions 854 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,600 have to be perfect. I don't think God land on the 855 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,500 ice and it's totally light like it's two in the morning when we 856 00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:33,800 arrived and it was bright Sun Lakes. 857 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,600 It doesn't get dark all summer. It's just a light because, you 858 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,400 know, obviously so close to the pole. 859 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,800 So it's just like these layers of insanity and you know, it's a 860 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,500 sunny day and you're looking at are I'm standing on a beach and 861 00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:52,900 the water was glistening. And a scientist told me that 862 00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:57,400 water is actually sub-freezing. It's colder than ice because it 863 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,600 has salt in it so it can. Wow, go colder. 864 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,400 Nice. Oh my God. 865 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,300 Oh my God. It feels like I could just dip 866 00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:07,300 in. Yeah, did you touch it? 867 00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:13,700 No. Yeah, I guess I could, but just 868 00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:17,700 that contemplation of. Yeah, of the environment. 869 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,300 X written like not even thinking about because I think lots of 870 00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:26,400 people ask me like, you know, did you like see climate change 871 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,500 firsthand? I was like, no. 872 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,900 It's because you can't as someone who's just visiting for 873 00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:35,400 the first time. What you, what you see and what 874 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:41,000 you feel is just this Force, like, like nothing I've ever 875 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,400 felt. It's you are totally in, in 876 00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:49,500 servitude to this. This like prison. 877 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:54,400 So, you know, this natural power and you spend your whole day 878 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,000 thinking about about what's happening outside and what will 879 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,700 be happening. And and and just trying to sort 880 00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:04,400 of walk among that as like sensitively as you can but it 881 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,400 was insane like they were just I mean these huge seals 882 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,000 everywhere. Yeah, like half ton seals just 883 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,100 asleep. Oh my God, sort of walk past. 884 00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:20,300 We did this crazy. I went out with these whale 885 00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:24,700 scientists in this helicopter at like 10:00 at night again, full 886 00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:30,300 sunshine and we flew over this sort of Channel and yeah, they 887 00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:35,600 were looking for Ocker to it to sort of track and and and we 888 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,600 were like landed on the ice and just seeing these all collect 889 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,600 coming out of the water. You saw them. 890 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,700 Yeah, like as far away as you are. 891 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:43,700 No. Yeah. 892 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,500 It was insane. There's just the whole thing. 893 00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:49,700 Yeah, it was. So, so spiritual and like there. 894 00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:51,200 What was this? It sounds like nothing. 895 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,400 There's no sound because there's no dead quiet. 896 00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:56,700 Well, there was no at the weather was good when I was 897 00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:57,900 there was no wind but there's no. 898 00:52:57,900 --> 00:52:59,300 There's nothing for it to blow through. 899 00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:01,300 Yeah, they're trees. Right? 900 00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:04,300 So the silence is like, no silence you've ever heard. 901 00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:06,900 It almost has a sound. It's so quiet. 902 00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,400 Like, you can hear your heartbeat. 903 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,400 You can hear the blood. No in your ears. 904 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,800 Wow. It's insane. 905 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,700 Oh, I can't tell anyone to go there. 906 00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:20,100 It's like not, yeah, Beatrice tell me. 907 00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:23,900 Even if you ever like, I don't know have agreed to become a 908 00:53:23,908 --> 00:53:26,400 biologist and get a chance to go down that. 909 00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:28,300 Definitely God. Okay, I believe. 910 00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:30,500 Yeah, you really sold it. Yeah, that's right. 911 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,400 Thank you for inviting me here. So welcome. 912 00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:36,400 This was a delight. This is fun. 913 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,800 I really wish we could do this too. 914 00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:43,800 I'll be your friend forever and I am so excited for the new 915 00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:46,100 season of euphoria. Thank you. 916 00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:47,700 I'm so excited to see these new pho. 917 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,500 Solar power video coming. I have to get you along to a 918 00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:52,500 shot. Yeah. 919 00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:53,800 Oh my God. I'm good. 920 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,400 Thank you. Thank you so much. 921 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,900 I love you. Thanks for listening. 922 00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:08,800 The 824 podcast is produced by us a 24 special. 923 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,900 Thanks to our editor Tom Wyatt and robot repair who composed 924 00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:12,400 our theme.