1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,100 Hey and welcome back to the a24 podcast for this episode. 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,400 We switched up the usual format to reunite the for Minds behind 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,900 our new Showtime series. Moon base 8, Tim Heidecker, John 4 00:00:12,900 --> 00:00:15,000 C, Reilly Fred Armisen and Jonathan. 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,500 Kreisel, it's a hilarious and touching conversation between 6 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:21,600 friends and collaborators and an unfiltered view into the 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,100 difficulties and delays that come with trying to get a 8 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:26,900 project made, especially when it's a little weird. 9 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:31,100 We hope you enjoy it. I love xun calls, I just love 10 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:33,900 it. I hope after this B, pandemics 11 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:35,600 over. We can keep this whole Zoom 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,800 culture going, you know, where I feel it at the end of a zoom 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,800 call in my back. I just afterwards on my God, why 14 00:00:42,808 --> 00:00:46,900 does my back hurt from like being upright for so long and 15 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:48,900 like, just staring at the camera? 16 00:00:49,700 --> 00:00:53,100 I was, I feel a little bit like my soul's been sucked out of me 17 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:56,700 by the end of the zooms. I've been masturbating during 18 00:00:56,700 --> 00:01:00,000 the calls and it's not bad news. You can just Turn off the hear 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,200 about that guy. I know. 20 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:05,700 Jeffrey toobin. Yeah, he was. 21 00:01:05,700 --> 00:01:07,800 It's like a fire. He was famous political 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,400 reporter. Like yeah, he was a huge, a 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,300 trout. He was playing with himself, on 24 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:14,500 a zoom, zoom call. Was he playing with silver? 25 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:16,200 Did he just show it? I don't know. 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,400 And that he claims. I was just a big 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,600 misunderstanding. I was talking to someone. 28 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,500 They got that signal kind of went out then their picture 29 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:24,800 dropped out and I like, what's Yoki? 30 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,700 You still there? Yeah, I'm going to the bathroom, 31 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,800 come on. All right. 32 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:38,200 Well let's talk about our show. Moon base 8 that we made in 33 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,100 conjunction with a 24 that's why we're all speaking on this 34 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:44,600 particular podcast. I've got my radio voice dialed 35 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,200 in. Everybody can kind of get into 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:53,200 their NPR's mode Slow and Low. I'm Larry mantle so we have me 37 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:58,000 Tim Heidecker John C Reilly Jonathan kreisel and Fred 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,100 Armisen. Red is coming to us via Zoom 39 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:04,300 technology up in where you up. I'm in Vancouver. 40 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,700 All right, well, that's I think that's all we got. 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Can I had a question this morning? 42 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,000 I thought. Well, maybe we could start an 43 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,500 ice breaker question. This is the question Creedence 44 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:17,400 Clearwater, Revival. What is the name? 45 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:23,200 What is that name about this 60s was all about these long names. 46 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,600 I think like Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. 47 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,100 It's like cause it's because of tidal wave. 48 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,600 Yes, where everyone was like the there's a the long every band 49 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,900 name is like an organization of an old-timey organization. 50 00:02:36,900 --> 00:02:41,800 What was that 1912? Bubble gum company band? 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,100 Oh yeah. And what was that? 52 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:47,500 There are some of the guys from the birds started that Flying 53 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:51,300 Burrito Brothers. No, I'll have to look it up. 54 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:54,100 I'm sorry. Great anecdote Credence. 55 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:56,500 But the word Creedence Clearwater Revival. 56 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:58,500 I don't like a church. Yeah. 57 00:02:58,700 --> 00:02:59,900 Survival. Is there water? 58 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:01,000 Yeah. Okay. 59 00:03:01,100 --> 00:03:04,300 I think they wanted it to be sort of hard to figure out 60 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:06,300 something like a conversation starter. 61 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:09,800 Yeah, the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. 62 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,500 Are you girls a little different, Strawberry Alarm 63 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:17,900 Clock, John Fogerty would perform at my elementary school 64 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,400 to raise money for the school because his kids started going 65 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,600 there, really? It was kind of crazy. 66 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:27,500 No, it was amazing. It was in a little school 67 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:29,700 Amphitheatre. He's Been a long time, not being 68 00:03:29,700 --> 00:03:31,800 able to play his songs. That's right. 69 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:33,300 That's right. But he was still playing them at 70 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:35,600 the school during that time so he would get it out. 71 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:42,100 Well, all right. Well, Moonbase ait's a show that 72 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:46,500 we made basically started from me. 73 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:48,900 I was on an episode of Port of Portland area. 74 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,600 A Chrysler. You were you had since moved on 75 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,800 from Portland. I just wasn't directorate every 76 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,000 episode at the you'd stepped away from the day-to-day. 77 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:57,500 Yes. Is that right? 78 00:03:57,700 --> 00:04:00,600 But Fred, but I put Hired in it but I put in a good word for 79 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,100 you, to be honest. He's cool. 80 00:04:04,300 --> 00:04:06,700 I was on there. I was hanging out with Fred. 81 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:10,300 We were laughing making each other laugh and I was texting 82 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:13,800 with John I said John Riley, I was like I'm up here in Portland 83 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,000 John's by the way lost in his Google. 84 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,800 No no I got it. What's the bandits? 85 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:23,600 It's the Fantastic expedition of Dillard and oh yes yes yes they 86 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,700 loved those big long. Sorry. 87 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:31,200 I'm like way after the Moment here but but they can edit that 88 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:32,500 all together to make it all work. 89 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:37,100 It's also like their band name fads do kind of go together. 90 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,400 Because remember in like 2002 is like The Strokes. 91 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:50,100 The 90s was very one word. Polvo, pulp blur, blur pulp, 92 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:51,900 Jane's. Addiction like a simple 93 00:04:51,900 --> 00:04:53,800 statement. So what's up? 94 00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,500 I have not, this is no joke. Not slept, since the election 95 00:05:00,500 --> 00:05:03,200 I've just been up. Really? 96 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,500 Yes, it's now, it's a week and a half. 97 00:05:07,100 --> 00:05:08,600 I just been watching. CNN. 98 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,900 I can't. Once they called it on Saturday. 99 00:05:10,900 --> 00:05:13,600 I'm like, I can't keep. I gotta see how all the states 100 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,800 go. So, I've just been up, I watch 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,400 it. I just watched CNN, 24/7. 102 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,700 The pretty much counted now. There's not a lot of news each 103 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:23,600 day you'll wait. Do you see what happens next 104 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,700 week? Yeah, if you might be surprised, 105 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:28,500 you said yesterday, no one can stop. 106 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,300 It is coming, right? And I'm assuming he's talking 107 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:37,000 about the Biden presidency. Will you getting that that's bad 108 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,500 in front of every video you watch for a while before the 109 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:41,800 election with a just chubby bearded. 110 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,600 Fisherman going, how do I registered to vote? 111 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,300 No, that's one added just kept saying it over and over and over 112 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:52,500 was targeted to write to you like, hey, I kept getting Stacey 113 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:56,000 Abrams saying, Time to vote. Wait, do you guys? 114 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:58,600 You guys have ads on your YouTube videos? 115 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,900 Oh yeah, I paid. I paid a not. 116 00:06:01,100 --> 00:06:04,100 Yeah, it's changed my life. It's changed my life. 117 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,500 How much is it? It's like a hundred bucks a 118 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:11,600 week. I'm gonna weekly do you think 119 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:17,600 about what it would cost you to buy those videotapes stacking? 120 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,200 All these videos, just click on one. 121 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:23,600 Did you guys read that story about the guy that's catalog. 122 00:06:23,700 --> 00:06:27,800 And every Letterman episode ever, he started taping them. 123 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:30,400 He started on cassettes. Just taping the audio. 124 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,300 Yeah. And keeping a database of what 125 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:36,700 who was on and what the sketches were and he eventually started 126 00:06:36,700 --> 00:06:40,300 taking it on VHS and he's he's just surrounded by tapes in his 127 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:42,600 apartment. He's like fully like enclosed by 128 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,900 these tapes. What was his stated reason for 129 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:46,700 this? He could never stay up late to 130 00:06:46,707 --> 00:06:48,600 watch it so he would, I don't know. 131 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,200 I don't know. I think it was probably that 132 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,600 like just like a completionist. Yeah, it's got to finish it. 133 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,500 I have a friend whose father obsessively collects magazines. 134 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,300 Like he gets many many subscriptions to magazines and 135 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:03,700 then it's turned into this hoarding thing because the 136 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:08,000 Magazine's come and he needs to read them in order. 137 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,900 Oh my God. So he's got his many years of 138 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:13,000 magazines ahead of him. He's like, no. 139 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,900 I have to read every page of every magazine that I'm 140 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:19,400 subscribed to God. It just sounds like a hell Zone. 141 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,800 It's so irrelevant. By the time he gets, I know he's 142 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,600 reading like the New Yorker from three years ago, 99% of magazine 143 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,400 articles. Don't need to be read at all 144 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:30,800 right. You get to the end of your like, 145 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:34,800 I was trying to read an article today about geothermal energy. 146 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,500 There's like a new, I know. And I was like, I want to learn 147 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:40,700 about this. I think this is cool because 148 00:07:40,700 --> 00:07:42,100 it's going to be this new Revolution. 149 00:07:42,100 --> 00:07:44,000 It is by the way. Yeah, I have a brother who's a 150 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,700 contractor in there doing that with all the new homes. 151 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:51,100 I, I checked out halfway through I'm like assume the rest of the 152 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:53,600 I get, I get really mad when it starts getting low. 153 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,900 I might come on. I feel like I have a million 154 00:07:57,900 --> 00:08:02,900 three and then four pages in. All right, just finish it out. 155 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,200 Yeah you feel a little bit of padding going on? 156 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:07,000 All right, let's get back on track. 157 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:11,000 We're here with John C Reilly, let's sort out this this origin 158 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,500 story because as we started to do press it changed. 159 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:18,400 It seemed like you guys didn't totally agree with where the 160 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,400 space Colony idea came. How are you? 161 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,500 Are you reading every interviewing to know No, I'm 162 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:26,600 just remembering when we started talking about it. 163 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,200 Like, because from my point of view and granted the whole 164 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,400 thing, all four of us just started piling on adding ideas 165 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,100 and certainly. But I remember incorrect me 166 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:39,299 right now on the record if I'm wrong. 167 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:42,200 But we were trying to think about ideas when you were up 168 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,400 there in Portland with red and then the subsequent days and 169 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,600 weeks and days. And we started, you know, with 170 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,600 three stooges bubble. All these different ideas, Civil 171 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,100 War reenactors was one. That was And then I remembered 172 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,200 that I had. This idea for a horror movie 173 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:02,100 that took place in the South, and the South Pole, in a 174 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:06,500 research center, and it was during the like 60, or 80 Days 175 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:09,300 of Darkness that they have down there and I thought that would 176 00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:12,700 be a brilliant cheap movie. And then you could make, it's 177 00:09:12,700 --> 00:09:15,000 all about like the monster is in there. 178 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,100 Is them is their personalities and how they deal with each 179 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:20,900 other. And that idea was inspired by me 180 00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:23,100 looking at a National Geographic article. 181 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:27,100 It showed this kind of really homogenous very National, 182 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:30,500 Geographic friendly version of this base. 183 00:09:30,900 --> 00:09:33,500 And then it had these little things in between the lines that 184 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:37,300 I noticed that said, like during the many days of darkness, 185 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:41,500 strange relationships, develop. It was this sort of coded thing, 186 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:45,000 like, wow, they lose their minds during this darkness and they 187 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,900 start sleeping with each other and start drinking to excess 188 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:50,700 because and there was a picture of them unloading cases and 189 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:53,600 cases of beer base but I have this vague memory. 190 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:58,400 Three of sniffing out a show and I don't know if it was ever made 191 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:01,200 since that we sniffed it out I have a vague memory of sniffing 192 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,500 out that there was some kind of Ice Station. 193 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:04,300 Yes. Of course, I'm going to 194 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:07,600 Antarctica shows on Fox. They made a pilot for it. 195 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,700 Right. And I think we sniff that out 196 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:13,400 early and now we said, oh, that that idea is taken. 197 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,800 None of this sounds like a discrepancy sounds like we. 198 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,600 Yeah, I don't. I know that was really hard. 199 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,000 Trying to figure out is, where did we Steph Eames? 200 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,800 And what shit did we step in? I think we're all agreed. 201 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:26,300 Yeah, we're rolling. Greed on an all-in that now Tim. 202 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:31,500 Do you remember what we were joking about on Portlandia two 203 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,000 things. I'm very strong. 204 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,100 Memory of it one. Is this reboot of Punky Brewster 205 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:39,300 that we were talking about? That's actually happening. 206 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:40,200 It is. Yeah. 207 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:44,900 Well God, but it always we were talking about it in this way. 208 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:48,900 That as we do in real actually do sometimes you end up 209 00:10:48,900 --> 00:10:52,500 gossiping about who's involved and who's writing on it and it 210 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:55,800 and, and how many Versions. It's gone through right? 211 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,700 I heard it. Also the cameos. 212 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:00,100 Like the cameos are always like you won't believe what they got. 213 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:03,800 Ya would hassle, huh? Oh my God, actually getting it. 214 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:05,800 But also like I heard wrote Seth. 215 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,100 Rogen like did a there was a went through him for it. 216 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:10,900 He had developed it for a while, but then it kind of, it wasn't 217 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:13,500 working. So then Judd and a couple other 218 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:15,700 guys were like talking about this thing. 219 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:20,600 That was like, so painful to get done and get made, and every 220 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,000 read, the latest revision. Yeah. 221 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,300 Mase is the Golden Rod, Paige. Age is really, everybody's 222 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:27,900 taking a crack at it. It's got it's getting really 223 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:32,600 good and also being less super super like in the know about it. 224 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,300 Like oh here's the kind of a dick thing that I can do right 225 00:11:35,300 --> 00:11:36,700 now. Okay. 226 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:41,000 Which is the whole reason that Tim was up there, doing portly? 227 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:41,900 Yes. Is a good one. 228 00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:45,100 And I did mention that once and then I thought that's such a 229 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:50,200 shitty thing to say, to 10, but I just bought help myself. 230 00:11:50,900 --> 00:11:54,200 Because in some way I can take credit for Tim and Fed working 231 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,500 together on that Portlandia episode because the role was 232 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:01,300 offered to me and I was like, I'm not going up there to do 233 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:03,500 that is not enough to do or something. 234 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:08,400 Yeah, you know, like any funny. Oh I thought to myself any funny 235 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,200 person can do this. It's not a huge workload. 236 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,900 Even Tim could handle this. No. 237 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:18,800 Not even to but you know like it didn't require my services, you 238 00:12:18,808 --> 00:12:20,300 know. Like at this point I'm getting 239 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:23,500 old and I'm like, unless it really has to be me. 240 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,100 Me right? I can just pass this along, you 241 00:12:26,108 --> 00:12:29,400 know and then next thing you know Tim fight me. 242 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,700 Hey man guess what? I got this gig on Portlandia, I 243 00:12:32,708 --> 00:12:36,400 was like all right good for you John how to Tim do in the 244 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,600 Exterminator part? I'm very good. 245 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,500 I thought the episode turned out really got. 246 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:44,000 It was very funny, he was great. He was so good in it. 247 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 I wanted to use, I wouldn't yeah, that's right. 248 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:50,700 What's the other one? That's huge, the Portland the 249 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:53,500 Webby, the Portland, acting Awards Portland. 250 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:57,200 Acting Awards. I just want to bring up the 251 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,100 other joke that we work. I'll make it quick. 252 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:00,900 Okay. Other bit that we were doing was 253 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:05,300 I think we did a Serial bit? No, I'm going to correct you but 254 00:13:05,300 --> 00:13:06,900 then you can go off this Peter Pan. 255 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:12,000 Yeah, he does not sound like you've visited the factory or 256 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,800 something peanut butter Factory and how they're cool. 257 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,900 This is actually became like a building block of the show, that 258 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:22,100 kind of joke. Yeah. 259 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:25,800 Because yeah, we realized like Oh wouldn't it be funny to have 260 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:29,400 the three of us sitting around? Just debating Petty? 261 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,500 Things that really have no bearing on anything and don't 262 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:35,200 there's no resolution to these things they're just do you like 263 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,300 you know, Jimi Hendrix better or you know or the stones, you 264 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:42,700 know, it's like who cares like but in the end there's not much 265 00:13:42,700 --> 00:13:45,700 of that in the show that really I think the show kind of went in 266 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:49,100 a different direction than we maybe originally thought it was 267 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:50,900 going to go but that's how it happened. 268 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:54,900 That's what that that pettiness. That Think of this, not letting 269 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,300 something go and needing to be right. 270 00:13:57,300 --> 00:13:59,400 And you know pushing things right? 271 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,500 When you should just be nice and just let it go, you know, 272 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:06,100 because member that astronaut we talked to he said that you all 273 00:14:06,100 --> 00:14:08,800 look like you're always supposed to say when never had anyone has 274 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,800 a suggestion in space. Thank you. 275 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:13,500 Even if you think it's the dumbest idea, these three guys 276 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:16,000 did not get that train, right? Because they're immediately 277 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,200 like, I don't, I don't know if that's a good idea, so Christ 278 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,400 will came in because the three of us said, let's try to do 279 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,000 something. I think we had Come up to the 280 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,600 space idea. Pretty quick Arie. 281 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,800 I literally remember saying, like, well who's going to be the 282 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,000 fourth Beetle here? Why don't we go? 283 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:37,800 Just aim as high as we can Steven Spielberg and that's he 284 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,900 was unavailable. No, I mean John was literally 285 00:14:41,900 --> 00:14:44,700 the First and Last Choice. Contrary to the actor 286 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:46,400 conversation. We were just having you really 287 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,000 were the only person we want to because we thought, well, here's 288 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,500 someone all three of us immediately trust and someone. 289 00:14:53,900 --> 00:14:56,600 Already knows like how to get the best out of us. 290 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,200 Right? What was it like from your point 291 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,400 of view over my point of view. It's like it's so exciting to be 292 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,400 like, oh this is done like the idea. 293 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,400 There it is. I can imagine it. 294 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:11,400 I'm excited to like watch from the sidelines of like laughing 295 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,800 and just I know how small it could you know, just what you're 296 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,900 talking about these little petty arguments and like yeah, I love 297 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:21,300 that kind of thing. So didn't already have a group 298 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:23,400 that's going like oh we want to do that. 299 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:26,300 That you go. Yeah, well that's will be just 300 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:30,900 fun to scrimmage around in this world as we were heading into 301 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:34,500 actually making it happen. And when it went from like a 302 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:39,100 bunch of insane, ideas, and character ideas, and images. 303 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,800 What did you think was the biggest challenge to actually 304 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,100 turning it into something real? It's kind of like yeah, just 305 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:48,700 sifting through all the ideas. You know, I was thinking about 306 00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:52,300 this after so many years of like trying to get this made and you 307 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:54,800 know, you have all these meetings Talk about episodes and 308 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,400 then you could go, it might never happen. 309 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,400 But yeah, it was really just, I remember there was a couple 310 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,100 meetings of like, well, then, you know, somebody could get 311 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:06,100 sick and that could be an episode where we have to 312 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:08,800 quarantine, you just go, I like, I immediately know. 313 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,800 Okay. I could put that whole episode 314 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,100 together, right? I have everything is crystal 315 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:15,000 clear. So just and it's just talked 316 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,800 about a moment. How ideas come from very small 317 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,000 things and I like one episode, the move the base episode. 318 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,300 I remember Fred just going to keep You know, when people pay 319 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:27,500 someone who's talking about packing, I'm just like how anal 320 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:31,500 people can be about packing. And he said something about Fred 321 00:16:31,500 --> 00:16:34,900 where he can like find something really specific and really 322 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:36,900 granular. And it's something that really 323 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:40,700 bothers him that maybe he only picks up on but finds really 324 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:42,100 funny. And then that becomes our all 325 00:16:42,108 --> 00:16:43,600 right. Well, why would these guys need 326 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,700 to move? What, how can we do scenes where 327 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:48,400 we're packing, you know, like why would this threat and so the 328 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,300 most work backwards from them. But I come in there and I go 329 00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:57,100 guys and just a minute. We're on a bad energy left, 330 00:16:58,700 --> 00:17:00,600 unexamined decision. You guys go. 331 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:02,800 Okay. All right. 332 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,599 Yeah, I guess we'll have to deal with that. 333 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:08,000 Yeah, you know what I remember early on, when we're coming up 334 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:13,400 with ideas for the show of of loving, my favorite TV show of 335 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,400 all time is The Andy Griffith Show, mines Mad About You, Paul 336 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,500 Reiser, it's my favorite shows, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, sorry, 337 00:17:22,099 --> 00:17:25,099 Andy Griffith. I literally was I remember being 338 00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:27,200 in the room with you guys and we were trying to come up with 339 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,000 ideas and once we figured out the kind of sameness of the 340 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,000 environment and once the characters got kind of set, we 341 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,100 realized you know, each episode doesn't have to be some 342 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:40,700 intricate plot. It can just be about one thing 343 00:17:40,700 --> 00:17:44,000 that one little conflict because in a world where everything's 344 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,200 the same all the time, one little thing becomes a whole 345 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,300 story Delia. And I remember pitching you guys 346 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:53,400 there was this great episode of Andy Griffith where Aunt Bee 347 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,700 Makes pickles like she decides she's gonna get into pickles and 348 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:02,500 then Andy and and Barney try. The pickles are like oh my God 349 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:06,100 these pickles are terrible. Terrible pickles. 350 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:09,500 But she's a sweet old lady and so they decide to hide the 351 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:11,300 pickle, like empty them out and hide them. 352 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:15,000 And then she sees the empty charge, oh, your voice, like my 353 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,400 pickles, and she starts, giving them more and more pickles in 354 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,500 it. Yeah, the whole epic. 355 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,600 That's it. But I just about like, they 356 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,200 don't like her pickle, right. So I thought like, Like what's 357 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,700 our version of that? I'm trying to think, how did 358 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:29,900 that turn into it must have turned into something things 359 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:33,200 like, you know, whether we like this candy bar, right? 360 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,700 We ran out of water or we're we have a cow. 361 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:42,000 Now we have to hide the cash decide like is really. 362 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:45,500 I mean, I'm a fan of the show and was nice about making it, 363 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:47,200 and then it's sitting on the shelf for a while, is like, 364 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,800 watching it again now, after not seeing it for a while and like 365 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,000 forgetting about lots of things about it, but like Just like the 366 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,100 little runs of jokes like me wanting to make use this cow for 367 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:00,600 milk, and you cap keeps saying like and then we're going to 368 00:19:00,608 --> 00:19:03,300 turn into steak and it's just perfectly time where there's 369 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:04,900 like, three of those little asides. 370 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:07,000 Like me, then it's time for chops. 371 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:10,700 It's just like, you come again, come closer and closer 372 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:12,300 emotionally to. Yeah. 373 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,000 And I'm just salivating thing about A1 Sauce. 374 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,700 Yeah, you have to leave the, you know, if to leave reality a 375 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:22,300 little bit, for some of those kind of jokes to work, those are 376 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:25,900 clearly about John and Tim being funny and enjoying each other's 377 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,700 sense of humor. Then like it being a character 378 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,500 fact that we don't know what NASA stands for, you know. 379 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:36,100 I like to kind of rationalized that by saying like well just In 380 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:38,800 the Heat of the Moment they couldn't remember but they do 381 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,500 know somehow but I think from now on I might not when I make 382 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:46,200 something like a film or show or whatever. 383 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,500 I might wait two years to look at it because when this was 384 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:53,300 first done, like we had some early screenings at all. 385 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:58,700 Remember thinking like, like, I don't know, I was just add some 386 00:19:58,700 --> 00:20:01,500 health concerns at the time, I made the show and I was it was 387 00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:04,900 reminding me of that. And then I just felt like I'm 388 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:07,600 sure about my own performance and I didn't like the way my 389 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,900 hair looked or whatever. And now like you said, like I 390 00:20:10,900 --> 00:20:14,000 forgotten about all those insecurities and now I just 391 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000 watch it like it. I love it. 392 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,100 Yeah, I love it all removed. All the stuff that that all the 393 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:23,100 bad parts that have been cut out that I don't remember are just 394 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:25,800 now distant, you know, they're not even didn't even come into 395 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,300 play anymore and I just enjoy it like a fan, which is a good way 396 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:31,800 to enjoy things. I don't generally like watching 397 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,600 or listening to myself. No. 398 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,200 It's what about you. Fred? 399 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,600 You like watching your own work. I love it. 400 00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:40,700 Are you have the Fred asan every year? 401 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:42,200 Where you show all your favorite things? 402 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,300 I'm even surprised. It's me. 403 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:46,700 Oh my God, I love this. What am I watching? 404 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,200 I got so lost in it. Did I do this? 405 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:55,800 Yes. That's one thing that's really 406 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,500 hard to predict is whether something is going to age? 407 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:01,700 Well because there are things that I've done that thought like 408 00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:06,000 oh man, this is as good as it gets and then three years later. 409 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Like this is feels very dated and not. 410 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,400 So that's I didn't know. I'm always looking for stuff 411 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,400 that might have legs. You know, that might that might 412 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,300 be that, you know, might have relevance to people in the 413 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:20,200 future but it's very hard to predict. 414 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,200 I did this one movie a few years ago and Was a very small 415 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,700 independent movie and my scenes are like, some of the funniest 416 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:30,200 things I've ever done. I think not really. 417 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,100 That's, that's overstating. But I'm the funniest thing in 418 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:36,400 this movie, but I feel like I'm in a whole other movie. 419 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,600 Like, you know what I mean? Like, the rest of the movie 420 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,100 isn't like this at all. Yeah, and my scenes are like, 421 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:44,600 I'm just improvising as this kind of low-rent manager who's 422 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,300 on the phone and just, it's all that dislike, really? 423 00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:50,300 Dumb stuff. That but I was like, cracking 424 00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:52,500 myself up. But that's what I had when I was 425 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:54,900 at, I can wear I can Of myself from it a little bit. 426 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,100 I've had this thing happen a couple of times where I did 427 00:21:58,100 --> 00:22:00,900 something small like a little movie and then it changed 428 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:02,400 titles. Hmm. 429 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,400 So that when we did the movie like that together, where I'm 430 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,800 like, I actually will some I'll see a clip of them like I do 431 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:10,900 not. What is this? 432 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,400 What is this movie promotion? Yes, is the promotion was 433 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,600 originally called Quebec, which I thought was a better title. 434 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,200 Yeah, me too. Well, can I just say something 435 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,400 about that? Steve? 436 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,400 Steve Conrad? Add who made the movie. 437 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:26,900 Have you seen his shows John Curtis? 438 00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:30,600 I, they're like the greatest Patriot and this new show his 439 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,000 other show, Perpetual, Grace limited. 440 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,800 It's like, some of my favorite show I've ever seen. 441 00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:36,700 He's one of the ground. He's brilliant. 442 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,500 He is really mad. I'm doing a new stop motion. 443 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:42,500 Animation show of his me too. Oh, thank you very much. 444 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,400 I actually, they asked me to do it and I couldn't do that part. 445 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:49,400 Then went to the other weird thing about this show, 446 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:53,900 obviously, we made this in this really unusual way, which Was, 447 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:57,700 we went to a 24, I think you are out of town or something. 448 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,600 When we actually went around to pitch this show, I joined in a 449 00:23:00,608 --> 00:23:03,900 video call at 1 p.m. I remember, but we only went to 450 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:07,400 a couple years, just done a whole big pitch on another TV 451 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,500 show idea. I think we're both feeling 452 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:13,000 really discouraged. Yeah, used by the hens of 453 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,300 Amazon, and these kind of places, we're pretty bitter 454 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:18,200 about the process. We like, I'm not going in there 455 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,300 doing all tap dance again, but we did bring a 30-person chorus 456 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:25,000 with us to these meetings. For that pitch that's a whole 457 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,300 other story to go 30 Man chorus Menzies wire for Grooms to sing 458 00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:35,100 for the heads of Netflix. Amazon Hulu who did them all and 459 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:36,400 we're over time. Yeah we did. 460 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:39,900 That Journey song right? We do know we did the Chicago 461 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:45,700 Chicago walking in a park Saturday in the Park that day in 462 00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:46,900 the Park. Yeah. 463 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,100 And like a so what I'm saying? Major digress. 464 00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:51,400 We felt really burned by that process. 465 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,300 We thought we made this huge effort was a great. 466 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,800 Dear for a show and then got nothing. 467 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,800 So I was like, I'm not going around and doing a tap dance 468 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,100 again for these people and then do a pilot. 469 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:03,700 And the thing that scared me was, we would try it. 470 00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:06,400 We would sell a pilot. We would get all of our 471 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,300 schedules to align under the full moon and build a giant moon 472 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,600 base set, and then shoot a pilot. 473 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,500 And then who knows, if we'd ever get back together again, that 474 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:18,100 was my fear. That we would like capture 475 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:22,200 something great and then it would be impossible to do again. 476 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,900 So we were like, well, 2824 and they very interested in doing 477 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:27,500 it. And we just said, we want to do 478 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:31,200 six episodes and then you guys go off and sell it to whoever 479 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,200 wants it and I won't call them out. 480 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,900 But another company was in a bidding war with a 24. 481 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:39,300 Remember, it was down to two and they were both really wanting 482 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:40,600 it. And this whole thing. 483 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,500 I think that getting burned on that TV pitch experience, 484 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:47,900 actually made us feel like, you know what, I don't want to have 485 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:50,600 to like, listen to Executive opinions about whether the 486 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,300 script is funny or not Ida. Let's approach it like an 487 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,800 Dependent movie like that's my wheelhouse. 488 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,000 I come from independent movies and I thought the way you do it 489 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,400 is like if you create the vision, you get someone to 490 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,600 believe in it, they pay for it and then you send it out into 491 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,400 the world. Why? 492 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,100 Why should a TV show be any different than a movie in that 493 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:11,500 way. And and so we went to the 494 00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:15,000 greatest contemporary independent film company out 495 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,000 there and lo and behold they went for the idea and the two 496 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,800 years that we're waiting, for this one to get snapped up by a, 497 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:25,600 by a distributor. The show just came into focus in 498 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,600 a way, like, none of us could have predicted, I think you said 499 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,200 Chrysler, we're like things just take so long sometimes and you 500 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,200 just have to say like Ravi at 8:24 everybody that was involved 501 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,100 with the show, they were true to their word and in a way that 502 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:45,600 was, like, sometimes hard to realize all the time, you know? 503 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,300 Because you're like, what is going on? 504 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:49,100 What? Yeah, I have a very, I think 505 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:51,200 very hard for me to trust people. 506 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,400 I'm always thinking like things are You know, I guess they're 507 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,300 all. I don't know. 508 00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:59,700 You know no but you just had that feeling so much patience. 509 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:02,700 I was reading an article about that new Mad Max that came out a 510 00:26:02,708 --> 00:26:06,100 few years ago when they were working on it for like 15 years. 511 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:09,700 Like, they started shooting they almost started shooting like 15 512 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:12,100 years before they actually made I'm like oh my God! 513 00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:14,800 You must have to. Okay, we almost shot. 514 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,600 It was shut down for 15 years. Started again, they must just 515 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,500 have to believe in a blind faith. 516 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:25,200 You just have to do it. Otherwise, I think I was raised 517 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,600 with like, like, on the south side of Chicago, this whole idea 518 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,100 of like, who are you to think? You're going to be successful, 519 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,400 right? Who are you to think that you're 520 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,900 more special than everyone else? So, I literally was raised like 521 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:40,400 that. So it's less conspiratorial 522 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,000 Thoughts with me than it is self esteem like low self-esteem 523 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,700 confirmation. Like, well, yes, of course, you 524 00:26:47,708 --> 00:26:49,800 know, I got lucky with that other movie because I was 525 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,000 working with those people, but right now, this thing that I 526 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,200 made, of course, know it Yeah, I know. 527 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,500 But I thinking like, man wants it I think and then luckily we 528 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:01,700 have these amazing people at 8:24 especially Ravi, he was 529 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:05,400 like no guys you know, even as humiliating as it must have been 530 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,600 for him to write these emails after months and months of 531 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,700 waiting. Like, hey man, you know, we're 532 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:13,400 still waiting for this response from that one, this one and that 533 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,800 one among us, we were going like, yeah, right, man, it's 534 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,400 over. It's over. 535 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,900 We had the joke going that Robbie's got. 536 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:24,400 Is it, is it actually in like the, Barbados And he's fled the 537 00:27:24,408 --> 00:27:28,100 country. You love you, Rose 824 was mad 538 00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:31,600 at him for spending this money on our show and I'm sure there 539 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,800 were many other Executives in town who would have in the same 540 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,500 situation of him as him would have said, you know what, this 541 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:41,200 is going to be our tax write-off, but it's just I'm 542 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,100 tired of working on this. Let's just I got other fish to 543 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:46,700 fry, man. And thank you Ravi. 544 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:49,900 But, you know, stuck to me. It seems like into everybody 545 00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:52,800 probably hear it. Feels like oh, it's Fred 546 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,100 Johnson. Only John cry. 547 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:56,400 So, like what wouldn't work about that or why wouldn't that 548 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,100 be big? But it still ends up. 549 00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:01,600 It still ends up being a weird show that isn't for everybody 550 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:05,300 that it doesn't look like everything else and you all you 551 00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,200 have to do is watch five minutes of like just flip around the 552 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,600 channels to see that like what what goes out into the world is 553 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,500 very different than anything I've ever made or try to make 554 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,000 and it's not easy for anybody to sell it or to defend it. 555 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,800 I think it was the case of Like you know these companies these 556 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,900 distribution companies are used to used to going and buying 557 00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:32,100 Fabric and then having lots of meetings about what the cut of 558 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,700 the suit is going to be like and then trying a couple of 559 00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:37,700 different fabrics and then at the end of the day, they have 560 00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:40,900 this suit that then then they go and try to sell and we kept 561 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:43,800 going hey we got the suit. We already have a suit made its 562 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,900 really cool want to see it and like yeah, well we're thinking 563 00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:49,400 of making our own suits, you know? 564 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,900 And then eventually I think the truth just one out and 565 00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:56,700 especially With this quarantine yeah, pandemic thing. 566 00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,800 It made the show make a lot more sense than it did originally I 567 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,700 think or didn't seem so weird. It didn't seem so hard though. 568 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:05,100 Well everyone's dealing with that isolation. 569 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,200 Make poor Fred right now. Look at him. 570 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,600 Yeah, I'm trapped. Thank you ver. 571 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,500 The other thing about doing it in six weeks, as we kind of 572 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:18,600 like, it got compressed or six episodes, as we kind of got 573 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,100 compressed into, this is the show we're doing and we're doing 574 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,100 it all now. So, In though, we knew what we 575 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:27,200 were doing there was, there is a benefit to sometimes doing a 576 00:29:27,208 --> 00:29:30,200 pilot. We just went in fucking deep end 577 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,500 jumped in and we're learning about the show, as we're making, 578 00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:37,700 it probably was, I was going to say, it is sort of a show about 579 00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:41,100 roommates room, just getting along with your roommates. 580 00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:46,500 Like friends, did you guys have a roommate experiences from like 581 00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:51,300 college or like those years after where you're like, have 582 00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:53,700 some weird person. Is released. 583 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,900 Yeah, I think I think being in a band is kind of like that like 584 00:29:56,900 --> 00:30:01,600 you're in a van with these people who you're supposed to be 585 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,600 with and you love them and then somewhere in the middle they 586 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,700 just drive, you insane, just by recommending a restaurant. 587 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,600 That's like we should hear those words will just really drive you 588 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,400 crazy. Like how could you suggest that? 589 00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:22,800 That would just suggest that place and you're going to use to 590 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,700 there. Smells in the van. 591 00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:27,600 Just like, I can't believe I have to be with this person. 592 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:31,500 Even though I started to loving them and I remember he breathed 593 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:35,200 in college. My first dorm, I had my first 594 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,100 roommate, you know and it's such a shocking experience really to 595 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,800 have just suddenly you're like I'm living with this stranger 596 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,400 and they're like it's a small room his bunk bed. 597 00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:47,200 Like this guy's is my is my life now. 598 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,000 He's like my partner in life and I just met him. 599 00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:52,800 I grew up with five brothers and sisters. 600 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,100 So my whole life was roommates. My whole, I mean, my bedroom, we 601 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:02,100 were four boys in my bedroom for until my older, brother started 602 00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:06,900 to get, just turn into, you know, teenagers and young adults 603 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:10,000 and they kind of moved into the playroom but even they had to 604 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,900 share another room. So by the time I left the house 605 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:17,900 I was like determined not to have roommates to this day when 606 00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:22,300 I'm alone, when I'm in the house and my family leaves and I'm 607 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:25,900 suddenly alone in the The house. I'm like it was like sense of 608 00:31:25,908 --> 00:31:29,900 like Adventure in like privacy and I can just do whatever I 609 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:33,300 want and you know, like it's and it's from the childhood of just 610 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:38,100 never having privacy at home. Never I think of just I'm too 611 00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:42,400 settled in my own odd ways. Now to really be someone that 612 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,900 could share a bathroom again with well, I was just thinking 613 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:50,700 like one interesting thing was kind of saying this earlier, but 614 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:53,900 like the idea of like doing six episodes without Really stopping 615 00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,200 and looking and seeing what we were actually getting. 616 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,600 Yeah, it was, it was weird because now when we kind of we 617 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,000 shot them out of order, like what are we grabbing things from 618 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,900 olive oil because we shot everything inside? 619 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:08,500 Yeah, we went outside so it's not that's a ballsy move for. 620 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:11,100 It's a tough, It's a tricky way to do something. 621 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:13,800 And I say I always think like you really don't know what 622 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,100 you're doing until you've kind of done it. 623 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,000 You know, a little bit like all of our shows. 624 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,200 I think we've you know, you make couple episodes like oh, this is 625 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,200 the show we're making. Then you follow that like seeing 626 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,800 the show. Now with Steven drozd music, the 627 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,300 guy from The Flaming Lips like that music does such an amazing 628 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:36,400 job of setting the tone. I think it just in it. 629 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,200 It changes the way. I would make more a little bit 630 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,600 and just you know I mean it would it would inform the way 631 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,200 you make more. Yeah you'd learn about what the 632 00:32:44,208 --> 00:32:47,400 show is and you'd say oh that was really that really works. 633 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,900 That doesn't work as much. This really like do more of that 634 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,900 kind of episode, you know, it was really a Older on TV in 635 00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:59,600 general for a long, long time. I mean until very recently 636 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,900 honestly, it was only when I saw that escape at dannemora. 637 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,400 Oh yeah. That I was like oh okay. 638 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,400 We're in the new era. Where if you have a good idea 639 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,700 and you have good actors in this great performances, like, of 640 00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:17,900 course, you want it to last as long as possible, Right? 641 00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:20,500 Like that thing could have been twice as long and I would have 642 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:25,400 just gobbled it up like so then Maybe really realize like you 643 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,400 know, these ideas of, you know, I do still have hesitancy about 644 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,100 working in TV only because the pace if you are a little weird, 645 00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:36,200 you're a little freaked out by the pace of the show. 646 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,700 Yeah. The pace of the work day, right? 647 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,300 Because, you know, yeah, they like well we got it in 3 takes 648 00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:45,100 what are you worried about? Like, it's not that I'm worried 649 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:48,000 that we didn't get something that's a, if we did seven takes 650 00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:51,000 what would we get, right? You know, would we get 651 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,100 something? And, you know, when I work 652 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:55,400 First-time directors, an independent film. 653 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,900 I always tell them like don't err on the side of like 654 00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:00,100 building. Beautiful sets are on the side 655 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:03,900 of getting yourself as many days as possible shooting so that you 656 00:34:03,908 --> 00:34:06,500 can incorporate new good ideas, you know, right. 657 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000 I mean luckily with us we're just improvising constantly felt 658 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,800 free to do whatever we want. Everything's going everything's 659 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:19,600 gold that comes out. But yeah I mean You could also 660 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,199 argue on that point. That film sucks. 661 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,199 I find most movies. Pretty boring. 662 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:37,199 This this man's, if this very naughty, 24 movies, if moon 663 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:41,199 base, 8 was a movie, it probably wouldn't be as good as the show. 664 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,699 I don't think no way because you would have you'd be forced to 665 00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:47,000 like cut down on the weird stuff in order to have stuff that 666 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,699 really fed the plot. And You would lose a lot. 667 00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:53,500 So yeah, I'm starting to come around to the idea of it. 668 00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,900 Mean, my big thing is, I always advocate for that central vision 669 00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:58,900 for it to seem. And that's another thing that 670 00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:01,600 going to messes me up about TV is like, when different 671 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,600 directors come in and then the director is by definition, kind 672 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,000 of a guest star, right? And then the actors have more 673 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,300 power than the director, then the writers have more say than 674 00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:13,800 the directors all sudden. Like, I don't know how to work 675 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,200 in that environment. I grew up doing movies and 676 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,200 right. It's a pyramid. 677 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,700 The directors at the top of the Pyramid, that's how Paul Thomas 678 00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:23,000 Anderson works and he makes great movie. 679 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,700 So why would you change that structure? 680 00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:28,400 But what we operated kind of like a movie in that sense. 681 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,100 Yeah, there wasn't like a big right there was no writers room, 682 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,900 that that's one thing. I'm very proud of the way that 683 00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,100 we did it. We're all strong personalities 684 00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:41,300 with our own little egos and our own, you know, sent our own 685 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:44,900 right to say, I know what's best in this moment, right? 686 00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:48,200 But somehow, the four of us treated each other like a true 687 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,900 democracy. Yeah, and I really felt like all 688 00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:54,200 of us had equal say in this which is it's hard to do that 689 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,600 with two people let alone for yeah. 690 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,500 Well the I think we all complemented each other in the 691 00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:04,200 right way Crystal's Vision. His like visual sense in the 692 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,200 show, is very strong. It's like a cool-looking show. 693 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,400 Yeah, you never want me every time I see a still or anything, 694 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,000 I'm always really happy about it. 695 00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:16,200 How it looks. It just looks so great. 696 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,000 I'm so happy about that and those suits that we We attested 697 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,500 wearing look great. Yeah. 698 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:25,800 Photograph, I said if we do more of the first scene is us getting 699 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,100 new suits. Wow, that's not gonna work. 700 00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:31,700 I just thought I was just thinking about that because 701 00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:34,400 that's not going to work because they're in the base. 702 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,100 They can't suddenly get, most NASA can give them whatever they 703 00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,600 want guys. The low-budget show those suits 704 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,200 are those are the suits okay, congrats to make them better. 705 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,800 We should put cooling systems in them like that. 706 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,000 Like, I have for my fat suit on Stan and Ollie. 707 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,100 There was that There was attempts that never really 708 00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:53,100 worked. There were like cool when we 709 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:56,900 just shoot it in the winter. Yeah, that's the answer that of 710 00:36:56,900 --> 00:37:01,700 the hottest or simple answer. Or I always also this is 711 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:04,200 controversial. But as like, you know, the key, 712 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,200 it's about the three of us. So like, maybe we're just now 713 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:12,100 divers in in the Pacific, you know, in Hawaii and we're the 714 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:18,200 truth. Isn't that like the Gulf of 715 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,800 Mexico I would do like I was watching over the Halloween, 716 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,900 I've watched and Costello Meet Frankenstein with my kids and 717 00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:31,200 you know they loved any good. It's there's some great. 718 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,200 My friend have you must like that movie? 719 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,400 I can't remember. You should watch a part of it. 720 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,800 Well yeah, it was great moments but then there's one of those 721 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,900 movies that everyone says that they've seen. 722 00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,100 And I'm like, do I really sound peacock? 723 00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:47,400 It's actually on peacock, if you have that streaming thing, but 724 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,700 then the second That like the end that movie with their like, 725 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:53,600 they introduced The Invisible Man, at the end of that movie 726 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:57,000 and then the next movie they made was they meet the Invisible 727 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,300 Man, but they're two completely different people, you know, not 728 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,400 there, like detectives different names and like this idea. 729 00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:10,800 Next was gonna be called oil based on a platform in the Gulf 730 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,800 of Mexico oil, riggers, transitioned out of there. 731 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,200 That's why I like them up. At Movies. 732 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,500 They're always meeting each other for the first time and 733 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:30,700 every movie. Hi, I'm Kermit we're journalists 734 00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:32,300 now. Yeah. 735 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,700 Well, Fred final thoughts. Um, I think we should maybe 736 00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:40,000 invest in a 24 in some way. Maybe there's some way to like 737 00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:43,300 help them find, you know, with finances and stuff. 738 00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:47,000 Maybe that's the new my money. Yeah. 739 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,700 With your money. But what is the future of 740 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:52,900 movies? Not just movies, but the whole 741 00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:54,500 thing of communal Gathering. Yeah. 742 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:56,900 Concerts everything is the least of our worries. 743 00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:59,600 You know, like how about just feeling a group identity and 744 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,400 being together with people again for you think something is going 745 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,100 to get figured out just only because everyone loves it so 746 00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:06,900 much. Well, did you see that Flaming 747 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:09,800 Lips concert where? Yeah, the whole audience was in 748 00:39:09,808 --> 00:39:13,000 their little hamster, bubble, that's not getting another one 749 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,700 for Mass consumption but no, but it's something where there's a 750 00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:18,600 well-known Direction. Well, yeah. 751 00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:19,800 Yeah. What about like something? 752 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,400 Like Woodstock? We could do a wood stock pile of 753 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,200 Woodstock, 99. Wow, you know spread them out. 754 00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:27,700 Yeah. Member was it spiritualized, 755 00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:31,300 those concerts with headphones are Flaming Lips did that to 756 00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:34,200 other than Dave, Chappelle's done, a couple of concerts on 757 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,400 his farm. I think they'll be the vaccine 758 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,400 and then we'll get comfortable going out by next year, by next 759 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,700 fall, or something. That's even with a vaccine, I'm 760 00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,100 going to be rocking a mask for quite a while. 761 00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:51,100 Yeah, they say the The new reality for a while. 762 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,600 Yeah. But how great would it be if Jim 763 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,500 Carrey came back out with a new mask movie? 764 00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:58,500 I mean, this is the time to seize 824, if you're smart, get 765 00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:03,800 in and get in bed with Jim and did they do the math to the I 766 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,800 did? Yeah, there was there was there 767 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:12,000 wasn't Matthew. Yeah, speaking of Showtime, I'm 768 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,800 just glad the show is out and people are enjoying it. 769 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,500 That was the purpose of it. You know, it's like a little 770 00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,700 bird that left the nest Finally flying on its own. 771 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,200 I've got a lot of met you don't you're not on social media. 772 00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:24,800 No. But all you guys know I'm the 773 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,200 only one. So I watched The Social dilemma 774 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,800 and I had a couple social media accounts just to kind of keep 775 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,100 track of certain family members. As soon as that movie it said 776 00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:36,500 the end, I turned it off. I got up and deleted both of my 777 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:39,100 social media accounts and I ain't going back. 778 00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:42,300 Well, I but people like you, that's who I am and the messages 779 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:47,400 I get 9 to 10 10 to 10 to 1921 something like that, nine out of 780 00:40:47,408 --> 00:40:50,400 those and seen enough thing. The funny thing is, I thought 781 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,000 somebody direct messaged me. This show is terrible. 782 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:58,200 I really want to talk to you about this man. 783 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,900 What do you think? Well, and he's like, I'm a, I'm 784 00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:04,900 a fan of this show is to give me talk to you about that. 785 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,700 Why do you think I want to hear that? 786 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,500 Why? What about you thinks that I 787 00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:11,000 want to hear from you about that? 788 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,700 I did you slide into my DS with that. 789 00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:15,600 How do you think that's supposed to make me feel? 790 00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:19,500 I'm hoping now that with the fact, That it's out there. 791 00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:23,800 People are enjoying it, it's giving people pleasure, and it's 792 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,000 like an antidote for all the kind of like craziness. 793 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,400 We've been through. I hope there's like a 794 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,900 Groundswell where we get to do more, because it really was just 795 00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:35,900 almost like an experiment. Will this work will be funny 796 00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:38,600 like, oh, by the way, I was watching the last episode and we 797 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,900 do say that doctor her, the that's skips father's dead. 798 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:46,500 So we did have an idea that your father would come back, but but 799 00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,800 then I was like, oh well, he just lied about He lied about. 800 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,400 He lied about buying making his uncle. 801 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,700 Who looks a lot like his twin brother. 802 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,200 Like you're weird your dad, my dad's been dead for a long time 803 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,000 but you know like the weird Uncle like yeah, it kind of 804 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,200 feels like your dad has some of the same opinions as your dad 805 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,000 but not quite. I think that would be worse in a 806 00:42:07,008 --> 00:42:10,400 way than your dad coming to visit you or are you just forgot 807 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,100 that he's still alive because you cut you do like the 808 00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:17,100 previously on moon base and he had passed away is like oh 809 00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,800 you're right, he didn't die. I just I've just been in this 810 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,800 experience for so or here's another this is the this is 811 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,500 you're getting a good Glimpse at. 812 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,700 There are writing part of writing process or for I could 813 00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:31,700 say well I told you guys he was dead because I'm tired of living 814 00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:35,600 under his shadow I just wanted to have a place where I could be 815 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,800 my own man and you guys thought he was like out of the picture 816 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,400 and you guys like wait, what the cake sentiment? 817 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,300 We don't care. This is the reality. 818 00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:44,800 I'm creating my own reality here. 819 00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:47,300 This is my opportunity to live without him under my. 820 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,100 Do you think we can sell? Quiz Lord out on my God because 821 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000 my favorite thing I love it. I think we could fill in the 822 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,600 gaps and just put it out as a game. 823 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,000 It has such a beautiful board, beautiful pieces. 824 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,700 It's got to be people that just do that. 825 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:05,300 That can be, this is gonna be our retirement right here, 826 00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:07,500 selling quiz. Lord, that's Christmas season 827 00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:09,100 almost. We got to get it out there. 828 00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:12,500 You know what they did on Star Wars is they didn't have any 829 00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:15,800 toys ready for the first Christmas after the movie came 830 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,500 out. So they so they sold an IOU. 831 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:22,300 You re so that when a toys did come out you, so at Christmas 832 00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,800 time, people just got an IOU. So we could do that for quiz. 833 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:37,900 Lori's start order, started aren't exactly finally that I'm 834 00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:41,900 very grateful for all of your friendships and what we all were 835 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:45,100 able to do here together and I'm very grateful to a 24. 836 00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:47,900 Yes, for believing in us from the beginning to the end. 837 00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:51,200 And I'm really Grateful that people are responding to the 838 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,500 show. Amen to that, Amen. 839 00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:57,500 To Fred safe, travels back to the States, hopefully soon, 840 00:43:57,700 --> 00:43:59,700 thank you. Amen, to that as well. 841 00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:02,300 I agree. John kreisel, good luck in all 842 00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:04,300 your endeavors the killer throughout the rest of the year. 843 00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:08,700 I hope your family stays safe and well, all of you. 844 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,900 It's cold. Yeah, hang in there. 845 00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:14,400 Keep doing good things and believing in each other and and 846 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,900 things will get better. Right? 847 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:17,700 Amen. A24. 848 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,200 Thank you. Thanks for listening, the 824 849 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,900 podcast is produced by us a 24 special. 850 00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:29,100 Thanks to our editor Tom Wyatt and robot repair who composed 851 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:29,600 our theme