1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,800 So I am Emily Blunt. What's your name? 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,760 I'm Rose Brown. We're gonna chat. 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,480 About our films, I'm here to talk about a 24 films. 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,680 On the A 24 podcast. Yes, yes. 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,840 Can I just start by saying I wanted to scream directly into 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:25,200 the pillow with you, watching you in this very slow paced 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,200 nervous breakdown, which is one of the most painful types of 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,800 nervous breakdowns to encounter that it doesn't happen all at 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,240 once. It creeps in on you insidiously 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:40,640 and it was just extraordinary. You were so wild, so unhinged, 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,600 so broken. And it, it's had such a lasting 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,480 effect on me. It spoke to me on so many levels 13 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:52,960 about maternal pressure and all the symbolism of the cord 14 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,400 representing the umbilical cord and that it was just beautiful. 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,880 You were UN gosh freaking real. That is so kind and sweet. 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,480 Oh my gosh. I feel like this is going to 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,360 turn into a a festival of of loving. 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,040 I loved the smashing machine. I thought you guys were 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,720 extraordinary. And the movie was so, like, not 20 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,440 what I had expected. It was very intimate. 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,880 And it was very quiet in so many ways. 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,640 Yeah. And then obviously with the 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,520 disperse, with the violence of what he's doing and and then the 24 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,760 violence of the relationship, like the emotional violence of 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,120 the relationship. And but it is a kind of 26 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,840 surprising movie. I think people are surprised. 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,280 They think it's going to be a fight movie. 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,520 And it's so fragile in many ways, you know? 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Exactly. It's so delicate and you guys 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,880 have extraordinary chemistry, which and I know you have a 31 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,400 working relationship with. With The Rock, we can call him 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,920 Dwayne. Does it feel strangely he gets 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,960 called DJ? OK, I like to call him Tutz just 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,240 to really, really emasculate him are. 35 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,920 You the only person who can call him that or. 36 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,520 Well, my whole team call him that now and I think also 37 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,720 encouraged people on his team to call him that as well. 38 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,280 So it's now just stuck emblazoned. 39 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,600 That I needed to get. This is why we have great 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,320 chemistry. Yeah, right. 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,440 Yeah. You got to just undercut all 42 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:23,160 that. The rock. 43 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,360 Wow. That's extraordinary. 44 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,840 And I so, you know, I'm anyway. And I'm such a fan of Benny 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,320 Safdie and his, you know, work. And so anyway, I have a million 46 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,480 questions and I'm very OK by the process you guys did. 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,480 What should we start? With what should we start with? 48 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,200 I I have one question to ask you, which is, which is like a 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,800 question that I thought about when I watched the film, seeing 50 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,240 what you put yourself through in such a high octane sense. 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,520 What was your car ride to work like and what was your car ride 52 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,640 back from work like? My adrenaline was super high 53 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,560 doing it. So I was just always on the 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,280 brink like a little bit just, and even, it's like maybe only 55 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,320 later did I realize you're in it, you're just, you're just 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,800 doing it and you're in it and you are. 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,080 I'm not wanting to mess it up. And we had had a good rehearsal 58 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,720 period, which was lucky. So I felt like I had, we'd, we'd 59 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,800 had all the conversations, you know, we had a million 60 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,640 conversations. And so I felt and some car rides 61 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:25,640 home, I would I'm pretty hard on myself. 62 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:27,520 I'm like, I didn't do this. I thought I should have done 63 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,640 that. You know, you go through the 64 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,520 reel in your head of and we. Had I do that, like 3 months 65 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,000 after I'm done with something, I'll be driving. 66 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,320 I'll go. That's how you should have 67 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,120 played it. Yeah, it'll hit me. 68 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,480 Yeah. That's OK though. 69 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,440 Maybe it's good to keep investigating what we could have 70 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,080 improved upon. I I visit. 71 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,360 But but do you? Do you torture yourself or are 72 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,000 you like like or is it like real self flagellation? 73 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,680 This one was tough. This one was me constantly. 74 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,360 But you're so exposed in it. I mean, it is literally. 75 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:02,120 Did you know how much your extraordinary face was the 76 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,720 window into the soul of the movie? 77 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,560 Did you feel it when you were shooting it? 78 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,200 Did it feel like the camera was in your face all the time? 79 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:13,880 I I did, I did on the first day the camera got closer and closer 80 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,880 and then until it was here and it was there was no zoom lenses. 81 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,519 So the IT literally was that close. 82 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:21,560 And I could hear that was 35. So I could hear it going, you 83 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,080 know, since that whole thing of being, you know, hyper aware. 84 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,160 And so and I kept I said to Mary, oh, you're going to get 85 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,240 that class. Is that how close you're going 86 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,120 to get? And she was like Mary Bernstein, 87 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,440 the writer director. And and then once I knew you go, 88 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:35,920 OK. Surrender. 89 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,480 That's what we're doing. And it was just like a technical 90 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,600 just pushing myself to the limit of like at this technical 91 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,560 performance, right? And what we do with the camera 92 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,960 and how what they would need and, and more importantly, like 93 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,440 what they didn't need. You know when it's that close 94 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,360 because often it would just be her eyeball. 95 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,040 But but it was so subtle what you did and like, I mean, truly 96 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:02,200 the stress I felt watching you was rather unparalleled to 97 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,160 anything I've seen before. And the impact it had on me and, 98 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,680 and it was lasting. It was lasting afterwards. 99 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,320 I'm still thinking about it, about the pressure. 100 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,000 I think Smashing Machine explores pressure as well. 101 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,880 You know, it's sort of an interesting thing to be in a 102 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,520 movie that explores it on such an unrelenting level. 103 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:32,120 And it's such a window into the inadequacies maybe we all feel 104 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:37,920 as mothers a lot of the time. And it was painful watching you 105 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,920 go through it because it's such a mirror. 106 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,600 It's such an amplified version of probably what we all feel 107 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,480 like when we're on the last rung on the ladder for keeping it 108 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,560 together. And you have to be calm and the 109 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,600 together one when you're deeply white knuckling it most of the 110 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,240 time. Absolutely. 111 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:58,320 Did you feel playing her that you related to her? 112 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:04,480 I felt like my I was sort of intrigued by because you this 113 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,480 situation she's in is so specific, right? 114 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,800 And most mothers or fathers for that matter, won't go through 115 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,560 it, right to have this very specific. 116 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,960 Yeah, horrible illness that she's that's happening. 117 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,800 It's. Such an intense connection and 118 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,120 that they have. You know that it's, you know, 119 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,640 99% of parents won't go through this, but I, I was sort of 120 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,520 obsessed with like, why is she reacting like this? 121 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,720 Everyone's going to react differently in a crisis. 122 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,960 And sure, who? Why is she doing this? 123 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,440 Like what? What is it about this person 124 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,480 that is crumbling under this right now? 125 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,360 And not to say that you wouldn't, I wouldn't crumble or 126 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,480 whoever wouldn't crumble, but like, why is she responding 127 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,000 exactly like this? What happened before? 128 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,120 Who was she before? Because yes, I wondered that 129 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,640 too. I was like, what's the shadow of 130 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,280 her life? And therefore is this that line 131 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:50,680 between high stress and mental illness? 132 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,960 And it exposes that and explores it. 133 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:57,440 And it did make me wonder, like, who was she before she had a kid 134 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,120 with this terrible condition and. 135 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,800 Totally, and that was like, that's the question we asked, 136 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,760 right, like what happened to this person before and and it's 137 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,440 the homework and you don't want to see the homework like you 138 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,240 know, you just want it to feel lived in. 139 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,320 But I she was. So lived in like. 140 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,440 So lived in like. It was really, really well. 141 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,040 I felt the same for you guys and I was, so I was intrigued. 142 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,840 Like, did you guys rehearse? Like what's Benny's process? 143 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,600 What's Dwayne's process like? You know what the? 144 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,760 I mean, Benny is so wonderfully collaborative, you know, and 145 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:39,440 he's known for these, you know, that his movies have this 146 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,080 unrelenting, at times suffocating energy, but based in 147 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:50,440 being terribly human. And Benny's got such beautiful 148 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,240 humanity to him that he's so interested in people's 149 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,160 brokenness, you know? And we shared our souls with 150 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,960 each other in the few weeks we had leading up and endless 151 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,720 conversations on the phone, voice notes back and forth to 152 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,440 each other. So we were so intertwined by the 153 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,280 time we we started, partly because I think we all felt we 154 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,760 had to do our homework with the real people we were playing and 155 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,320 we all spoke to. They're no longer together, but 156 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,400 they are good and. They share a. 157 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Child they share this beautiful child together and they've done 158 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:30,200 an amazing job Co parenting him, but that relationship is so 159 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:35,679 volcanic and so it broke my heart in speaking to them 160 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,840 because I think they really did strive for a happy medium, but 161 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,880 they both struggled with so many demons that they could never 162 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,080 find it and they were addicted to chaos hazard. 163 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:56,960 Their love language was that kind of passion and and had a 164 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,440 addiction to that codependency. You know, she was codependent, 165 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,600 he was controlling. It was just such a recipe for 166 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,840 disaster when they couldn't live with each other. 167 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,560 Couldn't live. Without each other it did 168 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,880 attempt. It did, and I talked to her 169 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,920 about it. You know, she was nervous to 170 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,520 talk to me at first because there was a documentary that the 171 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,920 movie was based on. And I think the film didn't 172 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,560 really reveal the full spectrum of Dawn's story. 173 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:29,000 I think it focused on Mark and I think she was villainised a 174 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,520 little bit as the creator of his undoing. 175 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,440 And I think anyone who's had addiction will own it and say 176 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,480 that's not true. And it it is on me. 177 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:44,280 And so she was so nervous about the movie and, and when I first 178 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,800 started speaking to, I could see that I needed to really advocate 179 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,720 for her in the film. And I said, I know I'm playing 180 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,320 you during this incredibly volatile time in your life. 181 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,680 And I would hate it if someone made a movie about one of the 182 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:04,800 more tumultuous times in mine. But I said, I'm going to 183 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,840 advocate for you. I will take care of you. 184 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,240 And I said, so if you tell me the full weather system of your 185 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,880 story, I'll make sure it's in the movie. 186 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,240 And she's one of the first things she said was like, I know 187 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,640 that it's not for the faint of heart and it's not everyone's 188 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,360 love story, but it was mine. And it killed me. 189 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:29,840 I was like, oh, it just moved me and and it, and it is. 190 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,200 And I'd never had this gift before. 191 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,320 I don't know if you've had this experience where you're playing 192 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,840 someone who's alive and you get to absorb them normally you're 193 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,800 building it from this grand. Up and it's your. 194 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,480 Invention of someone. Particularly some yeah, yeah. 195 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,640 But to have like the person where I get to ask her, tell me 196 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,480 about your childhood. Tell me about your relationship 197 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,720 with your mother. What were you marinated in? 198 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,520 Why are you this way? It was unbelievable. 199 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,520 It's such a gift. Have you ever had that? 200 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,600 We've played someone who's still with us. 201 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,760 I did a film that has not come out yet called Toe and I played 202 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:09,120 a real woman and she was really candid with me and and very open 203 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,760 and it was very, really cool. She it is funny though, because 204 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,840 you do feel like you're interviewing them, but you know 205 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,440 it's totally. It's. 206 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,360 So. Personal and I was like, would 207 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,880 you make up after? Exactly. 208 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,600 She was like we would Make Love. Like I got it. 209 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,320 I don't know how you feel, but like you work and you work and 210 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,040 you do your work prior and then, but once you're there you sort 211 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,080 of have to. You have to kind of like, and I 212 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,480 said that to her as well. I said this, this is my version 213 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,680 of you. I wasn't a family on the wall. 214 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:42,800 And I'll watch you. I'll learn your mannerisms. 215 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,400 I'll listen to you. And I did like a stalker. 216 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,880 I mean, I watched her every morning as I went to work, just 217 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,040 staring at her. Just what? 218 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,960 I just watched her and watched her and watched her and spoke to 219 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,840 her as much as I could. The boys didn't speak to Dawn. 220 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,400 We all spoke to Mark. But Benny was so collaborative. 221 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,360 Anything she shared with me, I would tell him and he would put 222 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,880 it in. Somehow. 223 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,080 She'd find a way. To. 224 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,720 Funnel it in somehow, even in a. Blink, you know, it's a film 225 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,440 because it's so intimate and it's an insight into how he 226 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,640 relates and and his performance was so interesting. 227 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,400 Isn't it astonishing? It was really obviously he looks 228 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:26,720 so it's him, but it's not him and that work the prosthetic, 229 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:27,920 right, he was. Beautiful. 230 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,640 Yeah. It was like 14 little 231 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,120 prosthetics, including the cauliflower ear. 232 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,640 And like it was mainly the brow, the nose, eyebrows, the ear, and 233 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,480 then longer in prosthetics if he was in a fight with swelling, 234 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,920 bruising. I mean he is the most patient 235 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,320 man on earth. Wow. 236 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,400 Yeah. I've never met someone more 237 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,600 patient and someone better at sitting in a prosthetics chair. 238 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,720 Unbelievably, it's. Not for everybody. 239 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,120 It really isn't. And he would just sit there 240 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,160 quiet, quiet as a little mouse and was not very social. 241 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,640 And we're pals. He didn't talk to me in the 242 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,640 makeup trailer. He was in a zone and we were 243 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,720 opposite ends of the trailer. And I feel that DJs, I don't 244 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,640 think DJ knew what his process was until this movie. 245 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,360 Fascinating. I think he had always played 246 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,400 these invincible characters. I mean, I have to say I loved 247 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,520 him in Pain and gain. And I loved him in like these 248 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,680 other movies where you've seen glimpses of like this ranginess 249 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,640 that I think he has. And I remember when I met him on 250 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:34,520 Jungle Cruise, he was so the antithesis of what I had 251 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,160 imagined. Quiet, contemplative, so wise, 252 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:47,040 so kind, soft spoken, quite shy. And I was like, Oh my God. 253 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,160 And I said to him one day I was like, I think the rock is the 254 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,240 performance of a lifetime. I'm realizing now I and I said, 255 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,040 how did you make that character the rock? 256 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,520 How did that's a self generated character? 257 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,840 And he said, no one's ever spoken to me about the rock as 258 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,800 an acting performance. I said, but it is, I said. 259 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,400 It's such theatricality to so really right and completely. 260 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,080 It's larger than that. It's the ultimate. 261 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,840 Yeah, so. I kind of thought, well, maybe 262 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,920 he could be an amazing character actor in this kind of enormous 263 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,680 frame. There might be like endless 264 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:17,920 bonkers characters that he hasn't unearthed. 265 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,680 And so when he walked in for the first time as Mark and he had 266 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,640 the makeup on, the clothes and we did the camera test, it was 267 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,560 he did change the air in the room. 268 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:33,400 Everyone was like, and I almost cried because he was. 269 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,640 It wasn't just a physical transformation. 270 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,200 This is what was so spooky about it. 271 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,320 It was an entire demeanor shift. Yeah. 272 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,680 Interesting. Like an immersion like I hadn't 273 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,080 really seen before. And he stayed it that way for 274 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,760 the whole film. Well, he was really just sort 275 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,640 of. In it, in it and still so fun. 276 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,160 And we would laugh and you know, we definitely after some of 277 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,240 those scenes, we'd all have a tequila and try to like, you 278 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,600 know, have therapy on the bathroom floor. 279 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,800 Like after the bathroom scene we did just have, we sat for an 280 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,120 hour and a half trying to come down. 281 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,480 That was awful. Really. 282 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,240 And I, I didn't anticipated. So it was very like, yeah, 283 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,400 knuckling when I was watching. You know, that feeling where you 284 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,600 have a fight that just snowballs out of control? 285 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,360 I mean, their version of out of control is probably more than 286 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,840 ours, but I know what. You mean you do feel that tent? 287 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,200 You just feel it. You're like, yeah. 288 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,320 Oh. And like, yeah, when he's like 289 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,680 trimming the, the, the cactus and that kind of weird exchange 290 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,320 and. That awful tension, yeah. 291 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,000 And what was it shot? What was it shot on the film? 292 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,840 It was 35. Because it had such a great. 293 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,560 Graininess and a look to it. Grainy was so beautiful. 294 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,880 It's like, very, yeah. Kind of a nostalgic. 295 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:44,880 Feel. Yes, exactly. 296 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,080 It felt like. That I felt yours had that too. 297 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,400 That, you know, sometimes when you watch a movie which is so 298 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,920 high def and it's so clean, I don't feel I get held captive by 299 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,320 it as much. I feel it pushes me away. 300 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,320 It's very presentational. The graininess and the full 301 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:05,480 kidnap of yours was like, I just felt pulled inside your soul. 302 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,400 It was so intimate, like I shouldn't be in your head. 303 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,000 I shouldn't be that close to you. 304 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,160 You scared me deeply uncomfortable. 305 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:20,440 It was deeply uncomfortable. And, and I'm so curious about 306 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,560 when you watched it for the first time, were you unnerved by 307 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,880 it? Yes, I was. 308 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,360 I was at the offices in a 24 and I had been avoiding seeing it. 309 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,040 Mary Bronstein, the writer, director. 310 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,480 Do you always avoid seeing movies? 311 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,560 This one I did. This one I'm a huge fan of. 312 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,160 I'll watch it and but it's not till sort of years later that I 313 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,760 can watch it. And really, what you don't know? 314 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,480 Yeah, if it isn't not that comfortable with it. 315 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,040 And but this time Mary was like, you ready? 316 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,840 And I'd be like, yes. And then I'd be like, well, 317 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,800 maybe in a few weeks. Are you ready? 318 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,400 Oh, soon. And I was just scared. 319 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,080 But why this one just you felt? So scared because it was just it 320 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,120 was every all of me that you know, it's just like stretched 321 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,520 to the limit with this one and I was. 322 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,160 So naked so. Naked, was terrified, and then I 323 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,319 finally couldn't avoid it any longer. 324 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:17,119 Yes, and I stomach and knots. Was totally, yeah, very nervous. 325 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,920 Yeah, pound like, yeah, so nervous. 326 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,359 And then I just didn't move. I was like that and almost 327 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,280 forgot I was in it. You know those things where 328 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,119 you're like, I forget you forget you're in it? 329 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,920 Yeah, completely. Like that's a huge deal, which 330 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:31,560 is. Wild. 331 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,680 That doesn't happen ever, right? That doesn't happen. 332 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,680 And I but the, because of the language she was using with the 333 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,960 camera, the film she was making and all the sort of the, the 334 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,760 feeling she was creating with the movie was sort of beyond my, 335 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,960 I couldn't anticipate it. Yeah, I knew. 336 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,960 I knew what she was doing and I knew there was lots of different 337 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,920 sort of genres and tropes, like the horror tropes and sure 338 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,760 comedic kind of set pieces and stuff. 339 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,000 And the tone is so wild that you don't feel preached to ever. 340 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,480 Yes, yeah, it's. Very because it's so bonkers 341 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,760 that you you you you self examine watching it. 342 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,320 I think, and it's been cool because friends of mine who 343 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,360 don't have children or, you know, have totally responded to 344 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,160 the film in a way that I couldn't anticipate. 345 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,640 That they understand her. Get it? 346 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,440 They get the feeling like you could be a caretaker or you 347 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:17,960 know. Necessarily have a. 348 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,120 Parent, you know, but or you could be an addict or someone 349 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:23,800 who's trying to get out of a terrible situation, but that the 350 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,040 feeling she's expressing in it. And so sort of the existential 351 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,960 kind of nausea around the film too. 352 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,640 I think that that she's just running from herself. 353 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,680 Than anything else. And I think it's a wonderful 354 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:40,080 thing to see, you know, because sometimes my issue with a lot of 355 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,640 female characters in movies is that they're sort of held in 356 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,920 this ideal that they have to be feminine and good and palatable. 357 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,760 I don't know what you're talking about and. 358 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,280 So what do you mean and, or or? They're described as like she's 359 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,640 a badass. And I was like, I don't want to 360 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,480 be a badass either. Badass as I say in my accent. 361 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,920 But because you don't want to have all the answers. 362 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,640 I think I really related to her completely unravelling. 363 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,840 Good, yeah. Completely unravelling and have 364 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:12,200 it and being stretched so thin, it was so relatable. 365 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,320 Yeah. Oh good. 366 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:18,720 You know, I think back to all these women in the 40s and 50s 367 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,600 who just went absolutely insane at the ironing board, you know, 368 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:31,080 having to be the perfect woman and how much anger and rage and, 369 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,800 and misplaced dreams they must have had. 370 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,720 And it made me think of it when I watched your film, like, oh, 371 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,080 this is a very exciting experience as a woman to watch 372 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,400 this. And it's important for men to 373 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,520 watch your movie and understand the pressures, not just watch 374 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,640 it, but feel it. And your film is a film that you 375 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,120 feel. You don't watch it. 376 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:59,040 You experience something on a cellular level. 377 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,880 The way yours was shot was so in your face. 378 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,160 With Benny's process, we barely saw a camera. 379 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,920 He shot a lot, long lens, kind of prowling, hiding behind 380 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,880 walls. And he said I wanted that spine. 381 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,640 He said, I want it voyeuristic. I want you to feel like, oh God, 382 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,040 I shouldn't be in the kitchen with them. 383 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,720 This is so intimate. I shouldn't be watching this. 384 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,440 And for us, it was so freeing because you didn't feel anything 385 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,520 technical around you, whereas I've done that experience that 386 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,440 you had to remember it. On Girl on the Train, the camera 387 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,840 was directly in my face the whole time, claustrophobically. 388 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,680 But then you, you're right, you get used to it and it doesn't 389 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,920 bother you after a while. But I think Benny felt even with 390 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,320 the fight scenes with the Ring, he wanted to be like 3 rows back 391 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,040 as if you're watching, looking up that you're not in the ring 392 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,840 with them. Yeah, yeah. 393 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,760 So you. Miss stuff in quite an 394 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,160 interesting way. You feel yourself looking around 395 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,640 him to try to get around his back and. 396 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,920 He created that beautifully because I did feel, I felt like 397 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,720 I was spying. I did feel like that. 398 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,680 And I was like, did that. And at one point I was like, did 399 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,080 they know I'm spying on this? Like. 400 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,440 Do you know what I mean? I was like, did they know? 401 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,720 And I'm like how self, you know, it was very particularly in like 402 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,560 the locker room and these sorts of little moments that was like 403 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,720 that. And and I loved the I loved your 404 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,920 look so much, the hair. I was it was just fun and such a 405 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,040 like you're such a chameleon. I was like, wow, you know, I 406 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,400 just love you always inhabit from one to the next in a way 407 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,120 that is really singular. That's wonderful. 408 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,880 No, I loved it. And I was curious about that. 409 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,240 Like, were you just really delving into her kind of archive 410 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,560 looks and like? Heidi and I, Heidi pulled lots 411 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,680 of photographs of her and, and there is so much footage of her. 412 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,320 So it was like 97 to 99 that sort of it. 413 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,920 Was so great the music was. So great, so good and I and I do 414 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,080 need a physical transformation. I feel like helps me. 415 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,280 It's the in with her. It was those extraordinary 416 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,520 nails. You know those I remember the 417 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,840 first time I put those acrylic nails on, I was like, whoa, they 418 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,760 were just so long. And the as much white as there 419 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,440 was beige of the that 90s French tip. 420 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,600 And when you speak to Dawn, she's handsy. 421 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,200 She's like this all the time. And she talks with she talks 422 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,280 with her hands a lot and she's like in his face with them. 423 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,520 And I saw on the documentary she would like touch his face with 424 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,160 these nails. So I just that was quite a big 425 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,120 in and then you get the spray tan and the wig and the wonder 426 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,760 bra and then. The Wonder Bra. 427 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,760 Oh my, no. It was sponsored by Wonder Bra. 428 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,000 They were like 2 heads. By the time Heidi I had Wonder 429 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,160 Bra and Fillets in there. They were like under my chin 430 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,040 now. You could see every man on set 431 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,760 was like that, like not lying. Looking, not looking. 432 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:56,440 Looking. Yeah, just. 433 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,320 Looking, looking at your hairline, they, they was, it was 434 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,760 so overt and so overly glamorized. 435 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,360 But I loved it that she was so glamorized, but their connection 436 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,360 wasn't, their relationship wasn't. 437 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,880 It was so messy. And yet everything she did about 438 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,760 the way she dressed, looked, all of it, it was intentional. 439 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,360 It was deliberate to draw him to her. 440 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,720 So I even found that quite vulnerable. 441 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,560 She was so freshly blown out and done and it was all to bring him 442 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,880 to her, you know? Right. 443 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,720 And I know, and I felt that was so that, you know, the big final 444 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,280 scene where she's just where she's sort of confessing all 445 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,440 that stuff. And he's like, it was really 446 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,400 just vulnerable and just like heartbreaking. 447 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,560 And I felt like, so I don't know. 448 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,880 I just was. Yeah, so felt so. 449 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,000 I felt so because finally see, you know what she's trying to do 450 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,200 and what she's trying to. Like, and I think she really 451 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:55,000 desperately was trying to save his life and and be there and be 452 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,120 the center of his universe. And I think it's a very 453 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:03,760 complicated thing when you're married to a fighter whose life 454 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,840 is on the line in the ring, but his life is on the line in the 455 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,920 rabbit hole of his own addiction. 456 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,840 And she didn't have all the tools given the Givens to save 457 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,120 him and catch him because she was struggling so much herself. 458 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,320 So it was so exciting to play a relationship that wasn't kind of 459 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,720 moviefied. It was sort of very untidy and I 460 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,080 don't know it just like I think it's, again, it's Benny is 461 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:35,120 unafraid of that, that he wasn't. 462 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,760 And I've never been concerned about being likable in a movie. 463 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,120 It's sort of the worst word on earth because you do just want 464 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,320 to be exposed. I wonder if I wonder. 465 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,240 If like actors get asked that male actors. 466 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,120 Never. Or right yet. 467 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,920 Or if they're like, you played a pretty complicated character. 468 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,480 Oh yeah, like how do you like I? I'm just wondering, I have found 469 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,480 that with Dawn that in my experience, yeah, promoting it 470 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,120 and everything, yeah. Women really understand her. 471 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,240 And it's not to say that every man does. 472 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,040 A lot of men really, really understand her. 473 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,120 And they do see her as the victim, but a lot are really 474 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:20,280 scared by that. Whereas because she's not always 475 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,000 nice, she doesn't always say the right thing and she's not always 476 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,800 there for him. And yet I think there's such a 477 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,360 free pass for male characters to be unhinged. 478 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,240 I would. I would go further. 479 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,960 I would. Say it is, and then they're 480 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,520 like, but you know, he really came through for his kid at the 481 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,640 end. I was like, yeah, OK, or. 482 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,000 Like, but he's really funny or I don't know or whatever, but he's 483 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,760 like, is it? And it's he goes fascinating 484 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,400 because you know, when you play a character that it's more 485 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,680 polarizing as a woman. I just think the scrutiny is 486 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,080 people are very uncomfortable. Have you found that especially 487 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,240 on this one? Oh, yeah. 488 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,640 I was really curious about what kinds of questions you've had on 489 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,920 this that have been irritating. I mean, that's what I want to 490 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,320 ask. Yeah. 491 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:10,040 What question has irritated you? You know, it's the, it's a sort 492 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,800 of a quiet sense of deep disapproval that I find in there 493 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,960 that's intrinsic. That is fascinating to me. 494 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,360 From men and women or everyone? From both, I would say, I think 495 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,320 for me, young people have been brilliant because young people 496 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,120 are just, they're so brave. They're much braver. 497 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,400 Like they've asked the best questions and the bravest 498 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,280 questions. And they, they, they're not as 499 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,320 kind of, I don't know, cynical or conditioned or whatever yet. 500 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,200 But I've found that, yeah, that that sort of constant thing of 501 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,440 like, why are you drawn to a character that's so. 502 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,520 And I'm like, what, what, what do you mean? 503 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,960 Why wouldn't I be? Why wouldn't I want to do that? 504 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,240 I mean. That's the beauty of it. 505 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,040 You were so exposed on a human level and those are the people 506 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,320 you want to play. Yeah, yeah, of course. 507 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,120 What you want to gravitate towards, that's what you run to. 508 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,000 It's like. Exactly. 509 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,960 So it's always, it's a straight, it seems. 510 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,440 I don't know how to answer that question when people are asking 511 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,480 like why wouldn't you do it kind of thing. 512 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,240 But I do think there is an inherent is an inherent distrust 513 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,320 of a woman who is misbehaving. Like I agree, you know, that is 514 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,720 kind of it's tough to it's tough to ignore or I don't. 515 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,920 Totally, totally, I'm sure. You've come across that you've 516 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:17,880 played a lot of. Complicated. 517 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,720 I've played a lot. Of. 518 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,080 And I've played a lot of women who you know, I completely 519 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,360 understand, relate to. I might not always agree with 520 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,640 what they do, but I don't really care if I agree with the woman. 521 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,640 It's not the point. No, it's not the point. 522 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,720 You're yeah, that's not our job is to like, yeah. 523 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,480 It's and it's also not a morality play. 524 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,480 I'm not sort of. I don't want to take a moral 525 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,040 standpoint manding on someone and how they behave. 526 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,920 It's that these people exist. Yeah. 527 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,080 Yeah, exactly. And there's parts of all of us 528 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,080 in Dawn and there's parts of all of us in Linda like they there 529 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,880 are. We have all done that to a 530 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,680 certain. Thought about doing that you 531 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,720 know and that's the difference is I was intrigued so you 532 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,720 brought this product did you how did this one come together like 533 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,160 because you guys obviously had your relationship from from. 534 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,680 Yeah, so we've been friends for like, well, a few years before 535 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,240 this came up. So DJ had apparently brought the 536 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,760 documentary to Benny in like 2019. 537 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,240 They loved meeting each other. But then COVID happened, 538 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,520 people's schedules happened, and it's sort of just drifted. 539 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:27,360 And then I was shooting Oppenheimer with Benny and we 540 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,280 were in the make up trailer getting our old people make up 541 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,680 on sitting there for hours getting prosthetics on. 542 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,240 And he said, you're friends with Dwayne, right? 543 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,800 And he said, please tell him I cannot stop thinking about 544 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,960 smashing machine and will you reconnect me? 545 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,080 Can you give him give me his direct number? 546 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,320 So I called DJ and I was like, were you going to work with 547 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:48,760 Benny? Savde? 548 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,720 You have to do this movie. And then I watched the 549 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,840 documentary that night and I called DJ and I say, you, you 550 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,440 have to do it and you have to do it now. 551 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,200 It's like the full wingspan of what you're capable of. 552 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,720 Like and, and they reconnected and then a few months later, I 553 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,680 mean, deep down when I watched the documentary, I was like, I 554 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,880 would quite like to play Dawn, but like, I didn't want to. 555 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,440 Muscle my wings. You hadn't heard that that. 556 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,480 No, no. So. 557 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,880 So it was initially I felt like I was like a matchmaker, right? 558 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,840 Yeah. And then a few months later, 559 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,360 Benny called me and said I really would love you to be 560 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,520 Dawn. And I was like, OK, because I I 561 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,600 loved in the documentary that relationship. 562 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,960 I was like, God, there's so much to mine there. 563 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,160 And it's never done a relationship like that, never 564 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,400 played a character like that. And I wanted that exploration of 565 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,520 something and somebody and a relationship that was so broken 566 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,400 and precarious. So when Benny called, I was 567 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,560 thrilled. And and I think it was like 6 568 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,360 months later we were making. It wow, that's and I'm so and 569 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,880 you guys are from such different worlds. 570 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,480 Totally. And we're like best friends. 571 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,800 I mean, we are so polarized and we do laugh about that. 572 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,520 We, we, we should be like chalk and cheese, but we're not. 573 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,880 We, we, we are pals. And I just adore him. 574 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,800 And he's become this incredibly wise, profound friendship in my 575 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,360 life. And someone who I have learnt a 576 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,080 lot from, you know, I learn a lot from DJ. 577 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,720 I think he's got an amazing life as well as so much struggle, so 578 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,120 much pain. And yeah, he was always playing 579 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,600 the guy who had all the answers. And I was like, oh, it would be 580 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:36,200 so cool to see you unravel and be so vulnerable and so fragile. 581 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:44,800 And I think that this part was, I think, cathartic for him, you 582 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,440 know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 583 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,040 Really, really cathartic. And that's partly why I almost 584 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,200 cried when I saw him as Mark for the first time, because it was 585 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,960 like seeing someone seeing relief wash over him. 586 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,400 Oh wow, he came in. He looked so calm. 587 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,600 He must really trust you. I think he does, right? 588 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,400 I think so. To be able to go there and to 589 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,160 he. Thinks so, and he really trusted 590 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,160 Benny as well. So like the three of us were 591 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,440 like the Musketeers. We we're so connected. 592 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,160 We we really shared a lot of our own souls as I'm was wondering 593 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,720 how much of how much you guys talked beforehand. 594 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:24,200 So Mary Bronstein and I, what she was in, you know, has become 595 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,600 a great friend. And she, this story is, you 596 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,880 know, based on what she went through. 597 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,080 Really. Yeah. 598 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,120 So not entirely. Obviously she doesn't, you know, 599 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,000 do what my character does. But she's spoken about this, 600 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,360 that her daughter was ill and she had to go to California for 601 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,520 treatment. Her husband lives in New York. 602 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,920 I mean, they live in New York. Her husband had to work and she 603 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,160 went for this treatment and was told it would take 8 weeks and 604 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,520 it took eight months and she was in living in this like hotel 605 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,320 room with her daughter, like 2 demented kind of roommates and 606 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,800 that's been. Shamed by the beeping machine. 607 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,960 Exactly. That was like a big character in 608 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,000 her life. And she, you know, her daughter 609 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,640 would go to sleep every night and she would go on into the 610 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,040 bathroom and, you know, eat junk food and wrote, wrote the. 611 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,840 Screenplay and just to be alone as well. 612 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,360 Totally to like finally have that time. 613 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,480 And so it was born of a place of real, you know, experience. 614 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,760 And I think it's reflected in the in the film. 615 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,040 It's like a very, oh, it's so, you know, she really had 616 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,120 something to say and she was really candid with me, Really, 617 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,280 really candid with me. And we had this great rehearsal 618 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,960 period of about 5 weeks where I would just go to her apartment 619 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,600 and we would three days a week and we would just sit there and, 620 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,640 and go over the script for like just, it was like preparing for 621 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,480 a play. It was just every line of 622 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,320 dialogue. Could you work like in that way? 623 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,160 Before. On a film, not only on a play. 624 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:44,720 Never. Yeah. 625 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,400 I mean, you don't get time. Have you had that experience 626 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,400 before you get? No, the the only longer time is 627 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,720 if I was doing like a musical, like a, like a Mary Poppins or 628 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,880 something, a very long rehearsal. 629 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,080 But you're learning all the dance numbers. 630 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,760 You're learning like, yeah, but that's how Rob Marshall works. 631 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,760 But on smashing we would just talk a lot and I don't remember 632 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,000 the last time I had rehearsals. Yeah, I agree. 633 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,920 No, I, I, I like for TV, you don't get that. 634 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,880 Like if you're doing a series, it's very rare. 635 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,000 So thank God, because we shot the film in 25 days. 636 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,560 Holy shit, Did you really? Yeah, we shot. 637 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,640 It like we run away train. 2 takes maybe three. 638 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,800 Oh my God. So and Mary was hands off. 639 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,400 She like because we talked about it, you know, so we would come 640 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,720 to the set every day, go over everything and then and then we 641 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,000 would just go. We just didn't have time. 642 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,080 So you felt great freedom in it? I did feel, I did feel freedom. 643 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,720 I was, it was a tightrope. It's just a tightrope because 644 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,960 like too much it would fall into being like the trap is. 645 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,360 It's just a screaming, hysterical thing, you know, And 646 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,880 then but too, like sort of comic or I don't know, whatever it 647 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,560 would become not realistic, you know? 648 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,440 Clever injections of bizarre, bonkers comedy. 649 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:03,840 It all worked because tonally in the way she shot it, it was like 650 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,920 you were having an out of body experience watching something. 651 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,639 It was. It was really captivating in 652 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,560 that way that you know when you watch movies and you feel like 653 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,199 maybe the director or the writer has seen too many movies. 654 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,600 I didn't feel like Mary Bronstein has watched too many 655 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,480 movies. It was such a singular voice, 656 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,040 even though I'm sure she's watched every movie, but she had 657 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,639 this singular mad voice. Yeah, she really. 658 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:35,080 Yeah, it's, it's she's, she's a force. 659 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,239 She pushed this thing uphill for eight years. 660 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,040 And it's not easy to get a film made as, you know, like a dark 661 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,239 script like this. And she like she fought, you 662 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,760 know, every step of the way to get it made. 663 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,639 But I was so curious. I wanted to ask you how you like 664 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,400 how you choose your projects. Like, that's a good, you know, I 665 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,080 know that's like a annoying question. 666 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,760 It's actually. A great 1 you. 667 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,200 Have such a great extraordinary have worked with extraordinary 668 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,640 directors. You're so funny and you've like, 669 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,200 I feel like you're such a true chameleon And it I, it's, it's 670 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,840 so one like how do you anticipate it or don't you 671 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,520 anticipate it? Like what do you think? 672 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,600 I do anticipate it. I definitely between projects, 673 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,520 I'll sort of yo-yo between John, like if I've done OK. 674 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,680 So I did the full guy before this and then I took a year and 675 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,240 a half off because I just felt like I needed it breather from 676 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,200 being on a film. Set which was so fun so. 677 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,680 Fun and that was just a hoot and it was just like a giant blooper 678 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,880 reel and just so fun in Australia, in Australia. 679 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,200 And I loved it. And then smashing seemed like 680 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,160 the antithesis of that. So I think between projects I 681 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:51,760 will oscillate, you know, and tone so that I'm, I guess 682 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,040 excited. And yeah, yeah, yeah. 683 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,120 Yeah, a bit terrified. I think I do want to feel 684 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,680 terror. That's probably one of the 685 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,080 things I look for. If I read something and I think, 686 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,600 oh, I know how to wrap my arms around this, then I probably 687 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,480 won't choose it. Or if I maybe it feels 688 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,120 derivative or to something I've done. 689 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,320 And so I think that's a big thing. 690 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,440 I think lately I look, I love all the genres, but I want a 691 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,920 world builder and I want it in the writing that it's a unique 692 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,600 world and a unique voice and, and what's the director's world 693 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:31,560 like? What is it? 694 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,160 And that's why your film spoke to me, because you can't pin it 695 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,920 down. It's carved out completely new 696 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,920 space for itself. So I think I do look for that in 697 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,200 the writing, like a freshness that is exciting to me. 698 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,560 Are you good at reading scripts? Yeah, I find them very hard to 699 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,240 read. Yeah, I'm pretty good, but I 700 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,840 it's awful if if I'm not in in 20 pages, then I. 701 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,440 You have a role kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, to try to. 702 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,160 Yeah, it's and it's not fair. You should probably read the 703 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,040 whole thing. But I think it's like if I'm not 704 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,400 really immersed in it and if I don't see an in, whether it's 705 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,720 the tone or whatever it is, like listen, obviously if it's a 706 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,160 smaller part and I come in later, I'll I'll keep going. 707 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,600 Go to the. End just flick through, yada 708 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:23,240 yada yada, there's me. But I do. 709 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,280 I try not to anticipate the type of thing I'm looking for. 710 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,640 I guess I just wait to be spellbound by something and it 711 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,960 will be a really strange reason as to why I love it and I'll 712 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,680 never be able to really explain it. 713 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,560 But like an intuition? What about you? 714 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,400 I mean, similar. I think that's why I use that 715 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,960 word because I feel like you don't know what's around the 716 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,560 corner. You know what you've corner 717 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,280 you've just come from. So it's a bit like trying to 718 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,320 stay open, trying to not anticipate it. 719 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,720 And, and I mean, I'm just agreeing with everything that 720 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:58,200 you've said. It's true. 721 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,960 If you go, I can do that too. I've done that. 722 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,040 You know I don't need to. I don't need to do. 723 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,040 That idea. Do I need to do that again? 724 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,000 And and then of course, it's like director like trying to 725 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,680 seek out the people that that are making those worlds that. 726 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:19,080 Which is quite rare, you know, And I know that the movies we've 727 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,120 been in this year, it's why a 24 is so good at like, you know, 728 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,600 fostering these types of challenging, exciting, rare 729 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,920 material that don't conform. You know, you just, I'm always 730 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,160 looking for movies that don't conform or subscribe to 731 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,600 something, but they are rarer and rarer. 732 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,840 You know, it's like so many numbers are crunched on. 733 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,120 Will this movie deliver? Like we need to have an action 734 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,080 scene within 10 minutes of the movie, otherwise it's going to 735 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,480 tank. And it's like, it's it's just 736 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,080 sad, you know, all of the hoops you have to jump through. 737 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,320 And so to get to do a film like the ones we, the gift of these 738 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,320 movies this year is rare. And I know that. 739 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,240 And I don't want to feel like those opportunities are slipping 740 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:09,280 through all of our fingers. But I think the earth plates are 741 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,360 moving with our industry and they they're becoming harder to 742 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,760 harvest and so. You have to relish the 743 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,600 opportunities. Relish it. 744 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,040 When you have them because you think because it's it's hotter 745 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,000 and hotter, it's just hotter and hotter and it's just changing so 746 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,640 much what people, how people consume stuff and hopefully 747 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,760 consume and all those sorts of things like. 748 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,200 So I yeah, when these opportunities come, I always 749 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,600 think this may never happen again. 750 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,200 Yeah, you know, like. A run to. 751 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,320 Very well never happen again. So to because all you have is 752 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,440 the experience at the end of the day, you know, it's like that's 753 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,720 all that's ours. That's it, that's it, and you 754 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:48,400 can't really control anything after that, which I kind of 755 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,000 surrendered 2 years ago and I don't mind that relinquishing. 756 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,480 It's kind of important. Otherwise, the experience of the 757 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,480 film will be curated towards how do we get bums and seats? 758 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,920 How do we do this? And I don't want to work that 759 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,120 way. You know, I wanted to ask you 760 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,680 about Linda. Like what did you, what did you 761 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,840 love about her? What did you feel for? 762 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,640 Well, I was. She's brazen, you know, And she, 763 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,480 she does not. She's anti authority, you know, 764 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,840 she doesn't like being told what to do. 765 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,520 She's the opposite to me. I, I, I don't have those 766 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,400 qualities at all. Like I'll just get in line. 767 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,640 I really don't like she's brazen, she's not that. 768 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,000 And that was challenging in those things that particularly 769 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,600 like with James played by A$AP Rocky, you know, who's this 770 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,160 like, you know, so great, so charming. 771 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,520 Had he? Done, he had. 772 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,920 Done one other job and then after that he did the Spike Lee 773 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,160 movie Highest to Low. Oh my God, he was so good, so 774 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,320 good. I love working with people who 775 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,240 haven't, yes, acted very much. I mean, Dwayne and I were the 776 00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:58,400 only. Non, I was going to say. 777 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,000 The only actors. In it so so they were all non 778 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,840 actors. They were all fighters, like all 779 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,000 from the MMA world, and I think Benny loves working in that way. 780 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,440 What about the girl when you have your scene where you got 781 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,000 such margaritas? So was she. 782 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,920 She she's an actress. She's an actress. 783 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,040 She was OK. I was also, I was like, I was 784 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,720 wondering. If she she was in that world as 785 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,520 well, she was she, she was an actor. 786 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,520 And yeah, but everyone else, like the guy who plays Mark 787 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,360 Coleman, he's a real life MMA heavyweight. 788 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,960 Great. The guy who plays BA, Boss 789 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,480 Rutin, who plays Boss in the movie, who plays his trainer, He 790 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,840 was Marker's trainer. Oh my God. 791 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,800 So that was weird, you know, for him. 792 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,440 Don't come to set no no. She was really nervous. 793 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,880 Did you want? Do you didn't? 794 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,600 Do you want her to? Come to set, we actually didn't 795 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,760 really want. I mean, Mark came to set a 796 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,080 little bit and watched it a couple of times. 797 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,440 But I think it's healthier if you're playing people for them 798 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,760 not to come to set. Yeah, yeah. 799 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,080 Because I think I would be concerned about them watching 800 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,760 and feeling exposed and and it's it was very scary showing them 801 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:03,640 the movie The 1st. Time. 802 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,400 Oh my God. It was very scary. 803 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:12,160 She was very scared. We had shown Mark two weeks or a 804 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,080 month prior. It really rocked both of them. 805 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,640 But Dawn has since watched it about four times and she said to 806 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,880 me at the LA premiere it's become very healing, which I 807 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,280 never expected. I I really was scared because I 808 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,520 care about her, that it would unearth so much pain, which I 809 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,240 think it has, but probably on a necessary level, I think it's 810 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,200 been able to heal stuff between her and Mark. 811 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,640 I think he has recognized his accountability through the film 812 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,520 and that's an amazing thing. And none of us expected that. 813 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,360 We didn't know it would be a healing thing for them, so we're 814 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,480 so grateful. Kind of has been. 815 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,480 Would the what you would hope for, but not even consciously, 816 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,440 but you know. We were hoping. 817 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,960 You know that they would. See themselves and go, OK, I'm 818 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,480 seen people get me now. This is my imprint on the world. 819 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,840 And you know, and because it plays that delicate line between 820 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,560 should we only strive to win and succeed and then sort of 821 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,240 eviscerate your own need to be OK. 822 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,920 And I like that about the film that it's sort of the anti 823 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,800 Rocky. It's not the guy with his fist 824 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,760 in the air. It's actually the guy he was OK 825 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,360 losing. Yeah, yeah. 826 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,760 You know. Yeah, which I didn't. 827 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,840 I, yeah, I wasn't sure how it was going to end either. 828 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,720 And I was like, Oh my God, this was it was just again, 829 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,400 surprising. Yeah, it was not, not what I had 830 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,240 anticipated. And. 831 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:48,440 Conan O'Brien was so good. He wasn't good some he was so 832 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,040 good. He was so not Conan. 833 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,840 I know, you know, so unruly. Unconan like I. 834 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,360 Loved your scenes with. Washing every kind of all of 835 00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,520 his, you know, usual person, you know, the the Conan we know and 836 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:00,960 love. Yeah, he was. 837 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,040 So reserved and submarined. For Linda, completely. 838 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,000 I loved you guys together. Yeah, it was really like the 839 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,880 love story of the film, like the IT really the bitter end of this 840 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,280 like dreadful love story. OK, one more question then. 841 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,720 I know we have to go. When you were hurling yourself 842 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,120 into those waves, at the end I had a panic attack because I'm 843 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,880 absolutely terrified of the ocean. 844 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,800 Was that you doing it? I did about 80%, yeah, my God. 845 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,840 But I'm, I'm Aussie, I'm Australian. 846 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,360 So you grew up just. Hurling yourself into massive. 847 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,440 No, no, no, I'm very I've great respect for that. 848 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,800 I'm always like, I know if there's a RIP, I know I don't to 849 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,880 go in or I know how to do you know So but I was hyper, hyper 850 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,080 aware of the ocean, but it was it was rough. 851 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,440 Yeah, but I felt like she needed that. 852 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,880 The baptism, Yeah, she's the. Baptism. 853 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,440 And then get stuck at the right back. 854 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,040 Oh, you were just magnificent. Oh, you were you. 855 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,040 Brilliant, and I've loved talking to you. 856 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,880 I've loved talking. We didn't get to talk about Kick 857 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,200 Gary. I love him so much. 858 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,720 Kiki. Thinking of it, I was like, Oh 859 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,480 my. God oh I love all gotta. 860 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,320 Give him a shout. He. 861 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,240 Loves you so deeply. Isn't he a great hang? 862 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,400 He galvanized one, did he? Joy, Yeah. 863 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,840 He does. Everyone was completely obsessed 864 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,880 with him on Measure Tomorrow, like he was the glue. 865 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,320 Yeah, he was. The glue. 866 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,960 He's the glue. He's the caramel that keeps us 867 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,760 all together. He'll be stoked. 868 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,120 OK, good. We love you, Cake.