1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,280 This is John Early and. Devine Jay Randolph. 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,200 And we're in my house, Devine. Hello my friend. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,760 No Devine joy or Devine. So my government is Devine Joy. 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,080 OK. But I feel like that's a lot 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,000 like every day just to be like Devine Joy. 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:17,360 Yeah. So I just like just call. 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,880 Me, David. It's only three syllables. 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,480 But it just feels like, you know. 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do your friends call you Devine 10 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:24,400 Joy or? Devine No, because that's what I 11 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,800 mean. I feel like that's extra OK. 12 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,040 OK, well, hello, Devine. Hello, this is my house. 13 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,280 Oh my God. Yeah, we're really excited. 14 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,080 We just got. Evergreens. 15 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,200 We just got these in me and Mark. 16 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,360 There's no I made them up. Top tier, yeah. 17 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,320 I want to congratulate you on the colours you're wearing. 18 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,480 Thank you. They're both true to you, but 19 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:52,520 also true to the movie Eternity. Age 24 is Eternity. 20 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,040 How have you been? I've actually been good. 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,480 Good. I've been really good. 22 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,680 Nice, it's. Been, you know. 23 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,040 Do you know why? I think it's because I've had a 24 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,840 little bit of time off that like, you know, we get so like 25 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,360 wrapped up in it. I was just talking about this 26 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,000 the other day of like, I feel like we get comfortable in the 27 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,640 chaos and the Batty schedule in a weird way that makes us think 28 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,040 like, oh, I'm successful. I'm doing it. 29 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,960 And so when I do have the off chance of having moments of 30 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:27,520 brevity, it's like, you know, when you go to the country, at 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,840 least for me, I grew up in the city. 32 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,440 So like if you go to the country and you're like, what is that 33 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,960 loud sound? And somebody's like, it's 34 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:35,840 silence. Do you know what I meant? 35 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,920 Yes, it's shocked. When I have those moments of 36 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,840 brevity, it takes me a couple of days. 37 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,240 If it was very uncomfortable and I'm like, I'm not doing enough 38 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:48,400 and I'm failing, whatever, and then I like it takes me a while. 39 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,240 Like I would probably need to go on a vacation for like 2-3 weeks 40 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,880 'cause week 1 is shot. Yeah, you're like, yeah. 41 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,280 You could be doing something whose towels can I fold? 42 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,800 You know what I mean? So it it's been nice to like 43 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,520 settling. We need, I think we need those 44 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,840 breaks, don't you think? Because I actually think that's 45 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,880 like what then refuels us? But also like creative wise, 46 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,000 like do you find that you're more creative when you get to 47 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,520 have a breath or do you find yourself more creative in the 48 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,320 midst? Because I heard a rumor which I 49 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,280 think is true. It better not be about my 50 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,520 sexuality. I told you we weren't going to 51 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:33,400 talk about that today, but in regards to you were writing your 52 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,800 script while we were filming in your trailer for a movie that is 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,240 now into Film Festival. So you're double fisting at the 54 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,080 Tim Festival? Well, I love fisting, and you 55 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,280 know that. I know, that's why I gave that 56 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,880 reference to lead you right there. 57 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:55,040 I, I, it's for me, it's both. I mean, you there for this movie 58 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,080 that I was writing in particular, yeah. 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,920 I needed a degree of like blindness that you can only get 60 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:05,080 through, like speed. Like it's kind of, it's a very 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,560 wild premise and it's like. And so I just, I I was like, 62 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,360 there was kind of something built in from the beginning 63 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,640 where I was like, I just want to go fast and see what happens if 64 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:16,320 I go fast. And I was like, I have a feeling 65 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,960 that if I slow down, I'll be like, what are you doing? 66 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,520 And I'm so the whole the whole purpose of that movie. 67 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,120 Maddie's Secret coming soon to a theatre near you. 68 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,080 There's no. Distribution yet? 69 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,000 Better watch it Google get distributed. 70 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,360 Thank you. Absolutely. 71 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,960 But like I, I was like, I'm going to just like drive fast 72 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,480 and see what happens and like. Yeah. 73 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,040 Do you do that in in? Was that your first time 74 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,400 applying that process or technique? 75 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,360 Kind of, I mean, but normally I am more like go to the woods and 76 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,160 like let it emerge. Even for your comedy. 77 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,920 I don't know how my comedy comes together if I have to, I have to 78 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,760 be honest with you. It's it's like comedy comes 79 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,720 together through like years of like being like going to do sets 80 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,200 and like kind of having a gun to your head and be like, I need 81 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,680 something new. You know, it's not, I think 82 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,880 like, but like more narrative stuff, like movies, I feel like 83 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,560 has to come from like some time in the woods where you can like 84 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,200 let it kind of bubble up, you know, But I so it's both. 85 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:29,320 What about you? I kind of like the idea of I I 86 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,280 hate having the script in my hand. 87 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,200 And so some I mean, it's you know, right, it's different 88 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,920 project to project, but in general I hate to me that's like 89 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,960 duh, that's necessary. Just do it. 90 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,240 Just get off book so that now you can get I it makes me feel 91 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,360 blocked, right. So that needs to happen for me 92 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,480 first so that then I can memorize yeah, so I can then 93 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,320 feel free. I like to, I always describe it 94 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,960 of like you can put boundaries or like guard. 95 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,080 It's like bowling, right? You can put those little rails 96 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,160 up. But I want the rails to be like 97 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,920 5 lanes long. Does that make sense? 98 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,360 I don't want it narrow. I want a big playground and 99 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,320 right and there's a safety of me knowing somewhere there's rails 100 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,400 to like keep me in here, but it's not tight. 101 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,640 But I need to like, bang against the walls. 102 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,160 And the rails for you are the memorization. 103 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:27,120 No, I mean like I like to do the the work ahead of time in a 104 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,720 sense of like, OK, get off book done that. 105 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:32,720 Then I like to really get to if I didn't do this, I think I 106 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,800 would have been like a psych in psychology or something. 107 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,040 Like I'm really, really into human behavior and like I'm just 108 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,320 fascinated by why people do the things they do and like the 109 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,960 rationale that they make up in their head and it's legit to 110 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,560 them, to someone else. It's like you are off your 111 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,000 rocker. But I'm fascinated how people 112 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:55,320 brains tick. And so that's the part that I 113 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,960 like, indulge and have fun with. Yeah. 114 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,520 Once that's been done, I'm like, OK, they're in me. 115 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,760 Yes. When we now come to set to film, 116 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,560 you could tell me that my character now is going to space 117 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,480 and I'm like bet right, because they're locked in the essence 118 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,320 and the persona and the them is in me. 119 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,480 So it makes me then feel free, right? 120 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,320 Of like I know who she is, yes. Right. 121 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,880 Well, in the alternative, which is so dangerous and I feel like 122 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:33,000 sometimes I fall into this trap is like, if you don't, if you 123 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,240 like, if you don't do all that work beforehand and you, and 124 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,720 then you come to set and you've like kind of manically done the 125 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,240 work like 5 minutes before, then your performance becomes like a 126 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,800 book report. You'd become like a good 127 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,880 student. You're like, I did the work. 128 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,000 You're like trying to show how you. 129 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,360 Did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 130 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,040 Versus what you're doing is just letting go that? 131 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,400 Still happens to me though sometimes because right? 132 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Like we'll get to set and they might completely change things 133 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,960 or they've now come up with this amazing idea that your character 134 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:02,000 is something completely different. 135 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,640 Or it might be, you know, something that's very the needs 136 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,240 to be very technical at this point. 137 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,120 Like they might chill out. We actually just need you to 138 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,560 stand here and say this thing, right? 139 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,880 And so, yeah, I can understand that, but. 140 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,240 But that's the to me, that's the danger of not going to the woods 141 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,800 like and not like chilling. That's your woods. 142 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,880 Yeah, like if you work into manic or like caffeinated of a 143 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,840 way, then when it really counts, when the camera's rolling, 144 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:31,240 sometimes you get a little like, I don't know, I'm, I'm like, I'm 145 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,040 like. Yeah, a prepare, Nick. 146 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:33,760 Yeah. Prepare. 147 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,560 I get it, you know. But you, I have to say, working 148 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,800 with you on Eternity, coming soon to a theater. 149 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,440 You better go see it. You better. 150 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,760 They have not asked us to do this, but it was like. 151 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,360 It's OK man, we're doing it. I'm I'm you better. 152 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,960 It affects my money. OK, yes, come see the fucking 153 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,360 movie. I don't like curse. 154 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,720 I want to try to curse less, you know what I mean? 155 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,960 But it's who you are, OK? I think you'd be less like. 156 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,160 I think you'd be more boring. If I didn't curse. 157 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,720 Yes, well, you are, and you do it well to curse. 158 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,400 Well, yeah, so trippingly off the tongue. 159 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,440 Trippingly off the tongue. Is a It's a gift. 160 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,840 We've opened the door. I know, OK. 161 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,040 We've opened a huge door, which is acting school. 162 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:16,200 I know. OK. 163 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,000 So I want to know. I want to know about you. 164 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,680 We've talked about this a little bit on set. 165 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,800 Yeah, because people should know there are three NYU students in 166 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,800 this movie and one yelling, and I don't know where Callum went. 167 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,520 I'm going to say RADA. Let's just keep it League. 168 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ivy Leagueies. 169 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,600 Yeah. Wait, did we talk about 170 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,080 interlocking? You went to. 171 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,520 Interlocking. I went to interlocking. 172 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,200 We did not talk about that. I I did a little talk about 173 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,720 manic preparation. I went to interlocking does the. 174 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,960 Name just make you like literally my eyes are starting 175 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,560 to water up. So did you do the Academy or the 176 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:50,320 camp? Did the camp. 177 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,560 They then said that was my junior summer. 178 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,560 They then said come to the school. 179 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:56,720 My mom said yeah, right. Me. 180 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,560 Too bring your butt home right now. 181 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:00,680 Me too and I was like mom please. 182 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:04,680 This is this is the exact same junior year and I got into the 183 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,000 Academy and I was like, well, here we go. 184 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,440 It started I'm a start. Center stage, here we fucking 185 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,000 go. And then my mom, my mom was like 186 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,600 devastated. Yeah, I understand. 187 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,200 It was our last year. She was going to lose me a year 188 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,680 early. Yeah, and I get that now. 189 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:23,360 And I'm glad I stayed in Nashville. 190 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,000 I know, but I felt the same way. But it was like it was such a 191 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,320 dream, that place. Truly, I've never experienced 192 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:31,400 anything. Anything like it? 193 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,640 I loved it so much maybe oh 'cause I was OK. 194 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:41,760 So like while in college I went back to be a camp counselor. 195 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:47,080 Get it for the four year olds. That's so sweet, little. 196 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,280 Korean prodigies literally in the bed with me because they 197 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,480 were like their parents shipped them off. 198 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,160 That's crazy to. Come in the middle of the. 199 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,880 Woods, you were the a counselor in a cabin. 200 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Yes, that's wild. For the little, little babies, 201 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,960 that's. So sweet, so you loved it that 202 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,040 much. You had to be back. 203 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to hear the song do do do 204 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,040 do do see. It gets you those that know it. 205 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,920 Literally. I literally could cry you saying 206 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:15,720 that. It's crazy. 207 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,080 I never it's actually been it's. Relatable. 208 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,640 I just want to check in real quick. 209 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,880 It it No, I've people who have gone there say that it is. 210 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,800 There's nothing in comparison. I do think it's relatable 211 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,480 because I think I don't know about you, but for me, I didn't. 212 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:39,120 I knew I had a gift in this genre of art like arts and 213 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,120 whether it's singing, I didn't know acting yet. 214 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,200 It was just strictly singing music. 215 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,480 It was. It was opera. 216 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,640 Yeah, I was in the classical voice department. 217 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,560 Wow, yeah, that is so cool. Yeah, 'cause I always felt as a 218 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:53,360 theatre person, I do feel a little bit like the kind of 219 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:54,760 like. You guys like the wild one The. 220 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:55,720 Clowns. Yeah. 221 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,600 You feel like the kind of Yeah do well. 222 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,480 Vagabonds. And like everyone else there was 223 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,080 like. Yes, they're like. 10 and 224 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,400 they're like. Very focused, yeah, I can get 225 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,560 that. But I it, it started my identity 226 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:09,760 as an artist. Yeah. 227 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,760 And write like the respect and the the dedication and the, that 228 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,200 place for sure taught me discipline me too. 229 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,600 So I'm forever grateful to that place because I've never 230 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,440 experienced anything like it. That was the first time I was 231 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,280 like, oh, like people, you can take it seriously. 232 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,520 You're allowed to take it seriously and not feel like. 233 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,440 Weird about it, yeah. It was so thrilling. 234 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,360 We did the Laramie project. Wait a minute. 235 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,200 What? Did we go at the same time? 236 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,080 We'll talk about this later, no? Do you remember production Larry 237 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,520 projects? Yeah, yeah, OK. 238 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,680 Unless they do this like every five years. 239 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:54,080 I don't think they do. I mean, it's a it's a smart one. 240 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,560 It's a big ensemble heavy subject matter. 241 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,280 But one one of my favorite memories from the Laramie 242 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,880 project is like, you know, it's set in Wyoming, famously 243 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:09,320 Laramie, WY, rural Wyoming, but we were like, we literally all 244 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,440 could not stop doing southern accents because it's like, you 245 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,520 know, people who live on farms. We're like, we were out there 246 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:21,880 back and the director was like, OK, they're not in the South. 247 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,680 Oh my God. And we could not curb the 248 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:26,480 accident. It was. 249 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,600 So. But wait. 250 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,800 What I have to know now, what was the musical? 251 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,360 The musical was Babes in Arms, the Rogers and Hart music. 252 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:41,040 We were there at the same time. This is huge. 253 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,320 Toby Brahms. From the musical theater 254 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,640 apartment, yes, I'm looking for West. 255 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:48,320 And West, I'm gonna cry. Stop it. 256 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,160 This is crazy. I'm. 257 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,920 Gonna cry. See, this is the connection. 258 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,040 Yes, this is crazy. We. 259 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,440 Were in each others energy. And we probably were the 260 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,360 cafeteria together. Yeah, for sure. 261 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,360 Yeah, that's beautiful. I did a musical with my friends 262 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,720 there. We made a musical called 263 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,200 Interlocking Dreams. I have to see it. 264 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,200 And we like, performed it in the library. 265 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,200 And I played a kid named Ben Dover, who was closeted. 266 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,960 Honey, let me tell you, there was a lot of that. 267 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,080 It was a very transformative. Yeah. 268 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,200 That was a big summer for a lot of people. 269 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,760 I'm not going to get into details, but let's just say I 270 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,120 was rocked, Yes, Yeah. You guys, the the boys side 271 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,960 definitely had way more fun than we did it. 272 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,840 It brought in a new era for many of you gents. 273 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,040 It really and I was very happy for all of you. 274 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:44,840 Thank you. Thank. 275 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,040 You. You deserved it. 276 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,120 It's time. But then opera. 277 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,120 This is my curiosity because you were doing like classical music 278 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,960 at Interlochen and beyond where you like was part of you like 279 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,800 did there, did it feel like there were like limits on like 280 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,720 an acting level to opera? Like what? 281 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,960 Pulled you into. I got into interlocking off of a 282 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,080 dare because there was this like snobby girl at my school, a 283 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,080 newbie that came and was like, I went to interlocking and I said, 284 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,320 yo, I don't know what this is, but I don't like her tone. 285 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,440 I'm applying right, Just because I'm competitive. 286 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,840 Got there and I was like, whoa, this is really, really cool, 287 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,360 right, Like you can make a living. 288 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,440 This is it. Well, I don't know about living, 289 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,880 but you know what I mean. This is a thing. 290 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,200 You can take it serious. This is whatever the at 291 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,880 interlocking. It was the sense of play, maybe 292 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,280 because like the theatre department was like around and 293 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,080 stuff and you're like intermingling with all these 294 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,480 people. It wasn't necessarily told to us 295 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,240 like, you can act too while doing this, but it was like, you 296 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,760 know, move around and, you know, I mean, being your body kind of 297 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,800 a thing. And then when I went to college, 298 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,920 it was like, no acting. Just stand there. 299 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Yeah. Stand there. 300 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:55,520 Look pretty. That is it. 301 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,560 Like you're like a concert singer. 302 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,840 Yeah, but you're doing an opera and we're doing Aida, and you're 303 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,000 being buried alive with your white boyfriend. 304 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,360 And they're like and they're like, don't act. 305 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,320 Yeah, and now it wasn't that I wanted to act, but that just 306 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,320 felt. Strange. 307 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,160 Felt very stiff and cold and I was like I don't. 308 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,840 No, obviously that's not true of all opera. 309 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,440 I mean, there's probably some. Now it it's well, right, So back 310 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,560 in the day, right, If you look at old videos, epic extreme 311 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,840 acting like on a Grecian level, right? 312 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,800 And then it stopped. And growing up, at least with my 313 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,440 education, they were not about it. 314 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,360 And now opera is getting a little avant-garde ish and like 315 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,440 real weird. Like on the other side of the. 316 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,600 Pendulum and Nicole Opera. And you're like, whoa, OK. 317 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,080 Now, would you? Is there a part of you that 318 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,720 would? I mean, Can you imagine the 319 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,680 career shift? Can I just quickly be your 320 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,760 manager? You won an Oscar. 321 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,880 Imagine you suddenly are like, I'll see you at the Met bitch, 322 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,480 and you're doing. Oh, can I tell you I just 323 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,200 recently came back from going to Florence and in Florence, but 324 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,920 Italy in general. But Florence, like their St. 325 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,920 performers, yeah, are casual opera singers that can blow. 326 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:13,360 I cried. Yeah. 327 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,120 And I was like, this is funny because this literally just 328 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,520 happened, like, days ago. Yeah. 329 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,840 And I was like. OK, you missed it a little. 330 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,800 Bit you you need to tap back into it. 331 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,720 Yeah, you need to tap back into it so. 332 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,800 I'm so excited. I don't know how. 333 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,040 Yeah. I've thought about, like, doing 334 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,560 it of a way of merging the two, like portraying an opera singer, 335 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,520 like in a biopic or something. Oh, God. 336 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,760 OK, I know, I know. But I'm nervous but excited but 337 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,480 very curious of like how that will work because as a musician 338 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,840 that is a whole nother side of my brain and I think because of 339 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:51,640 interlocking, but in a good way. I'm very regimented. 340 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,840 So I'm nervous because all like because I came to acting by this 341 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:01,240 like happy accident. I'm like very free because I was 342 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,680 like, well, I don't know, like, you know, I mean, let's just try 343 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,000 it. Like I'm sure you have people 344 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,119 like especially at Yale, there were people were very like this 345 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,800 is acting and Stanislavski says and Ruda Hagen told me and I'm 346 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,440 like, who's oops, Stan said what you didn't make like I didn't 347 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,560 know anything. I. 348 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,880 Wish I had that. So I was loose but like. 349 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,960 Oh, I didn't know anything, but I was so good student who was 350 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,480 so. But those programs make you know 351 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:27,640 what I mean? Like of course. 352 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,960 Inspire that. Yeah, and so I'm nervous because 353 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,080 I'm that with music, right. So like, but I think people have 354 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:41,000 like Cynthia Revo or like Audrey McDonald where they blend the 355 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,480 two. I I could not get a chance to 356 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:52,160 see it and I am gutted. I'm really upset because when I 357 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,520 but I did see that clip, yeah, I'm literally getting chills 358 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,680 right now. She tore talk about acting and 359 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,640 music. Like what I was really what I 360 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,240 thought was so cool about her performance was I was like, it 361 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,280 actually didn't feel like the thing that Gypsy off or can be. 362 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,920 Well first of all you should just do Gypsy in like 20 years. 363 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,520 You know, it's funny, there was talks about it when because they 364 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,880 didn't like really want it to close and there was talks about 365 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,000 and I was, but it literally was like, could you do it in two 366 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,840 weeks? And I was like, are you out of 367 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,200 your mind? No God. 368 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,200 This is crazy. OK, So what I thought was so 369 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,760 cool, and this will bring us back to other things is like it. 370 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,640 It really was as opposed to it just being a performance about a 371 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,640 performance, which that role can so easily be where it's like, 372 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,440 here we go, the grand Dom of musical theater. 373 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,040 Like it's let's let's all applaud for the diva, which that 374 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,800 of course, is what's going on no matter what. 375 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,600 And that's the heaven of seeing it live. 376 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,320 Absolutely. As an audience member, your role 377 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,000 is so clear. You. 378 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,400 Just need to go, yeah, you know. Yeah, and I and I like leapt 379 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,400 tonight if you. Know. 380 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,440 Sure, sure. Sure, but like she act, it 381 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,840 didn't feel like that was like the subtext of the performance. 382 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,080 It was just like, I was like, oh, she has literally like she 383 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:06,880 studied someone in her life who's like manic depressive, 384 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,720 like whatever the right clinical term is. 385 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,760 Like she is like watch someone or she knows I was like she 386 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,080 knows someone. Like this. 387 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,160 And I also wonder, do you think that maybe her working on Billie 388 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,560 Holiday before that set her up? I thought of that, right. 389 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,640 I loved how she wasn't afraid to sound ugly. 390 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,880 Yeah, I love you. Because the emotion right is in 391 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,200 the cracks and the vocal brakes. Yeah. 392 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,280 And she, yes. And for those who don't know, 393 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,680 she's a classical soprano voice typically. 394 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,800 But no, she was. Beautiful, pretty voice and she 395 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:37,960 just let it. Off. 396 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,720 It was so cool. Hang out and raw. 397 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,760 But wait, so musical. So wait, here's my question to 398 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,920 you do. You I just sneak interlocking 399 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,600 quick thing. I used to sneak in their 400 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,160 rehearsals. The musical theatre. 401 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:49,880 Yeah. So that's it. 402 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,480 Maybe there was something like calling me because it was like, 403 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,320 I loved classical. Yeah, but I would literally 404 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,480 like. Sneak in. 405 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,080 I worshipped them because I was like, I can't believe like this. 406 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,680 Musical theatre, like acting is like just pure acting is like 407 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,880 obviously just a little more mercurial. 408 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,840 It's kind of harder to say, well, that person's got it and 409 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,360 that person doesn't like musical theatre. 410 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:14,760 The fact that there is kind of a metric of like. 411 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,080 Singing and dancing, you know, although I would love for us to, 412 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,840 I would love for us to have more like Elaine Stritches in the 413 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,800 world, Yes, where it's like, not about athletic. 414 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,480 Singing when I get old, yeah, I I go into transition into that 415 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,120 category. Yes, that would be really fun 416 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:32,400 for me. I have, I literally have huge 417 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,040 plans for your career. We will talk afterwards. 418 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,400 OK, we'll talk. But OK, so wait. 419 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,840 But do you, now that you've done so much like film acting, Do 420 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,920 you? It's OK if you don't want to 421 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,480 answer this 100%, do you keep up your voice? 422 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:51,320 I don't. And it is so well, listen, I 423 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,400 think if you're a musical person, there's always a tune in 424 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,920 your heart. I'm always like, even out of 425 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,400 nerves, This is funny. If I have a tense conversation, 426 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,800 let's say I like talk with my agent or whoever, right? 427 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,080 And I'm like when I didn't know. I do this as a tick when I hang 428 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,680 up on the phone after a tense conversation. 429 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,120 I'm like it's like a thing of like release it. 430 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,240 That's it's. Like. 431 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:20,840 A tool just like release it. So there's always musicality in 432 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,120 me, but I don't. But that's why I've been kind of 433 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:28,760 like prepping myself and warming myself up to this idea of 434 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,600 possibly doing this biopic. And I literally, it's funny, she 435 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,280 knows me well, my voice teacher, I'll text her and I'll be like, 436 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,280 what do you feel about us possibly having a voice lesson 437 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,000 in like 2 years? And she's like, let's make it 6 438 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,200 months. And so it's like there's a 439 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,560 nervousness. People I know who really can 440 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,640 actually sing have this. Because it's very emotional. 441 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,760 Yes, and, and there's something very scary obviously about the. 442 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,280 Because it is still the voice is a muscle. 443 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,160 Yeah. And so. 444 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,600 OK, so when I was on Broadway, it was very intense. 445 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,480 Yes. Because it was the first thing I 446 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,280 did like 2 months out of graduating, right. 447 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,360 I liked musical theater, but I wasn't like a musical theater 448 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,280 person. I didn't know lyrics or I wasn't 449 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,920 that kind of person. We did in the West End 1st and 450 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,080 then we I came to do it on Broadway. 451 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:26,960 But I had lost my voice. And so there's a fearfulness 452 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,640 that I have because I can't fully control. 453 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,280 We can't really control our voice, right? 454 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,400 And so that's why I feel like it feels like a OK next step of 455 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,520 like a film, right? Because of like, if it leaves 456 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,200 me, then I'm like, OK, let's take a break until it comes 457 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,520 back. So I think that's where the fear 458 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,680 is in a weird way with acting. I feel like I can like, sorry, I 459 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,000 could do it or like, you know, I mean, even have a bad day, like 460 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,680 there's so many takes that we do that. 461 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,360 I'm like, they got something. They'll cut away, come back, 462 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:02,160 they'll get enough. It's so vulnerable standing 463 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,400 there. Even as a musician, like with 464 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,160 instruments, that instrument is in front of you like not to get 465 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,640 deep, but like your whole frontal expose, your heart is 466 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,480 open, exposed, like this offering. 467 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,320 And when it's amazing, it's amazing. 468 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,080 And with me losing my voice on Broadway for the first time, I 469 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,600 had developed like severe stage fright. 470 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,320 That's so scary. Did someone have to go on for 471 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,720 you? Well, yeah, on times they would 472 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,440 have to go on and stuff like that. 473 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,000 But then when I got nominated, I in my mind, I thought, OK, 474 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,040 great, we got the nomination. First of all. 475 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,160 I was not expecting that at all, but great. 476 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,560 I could have take a break. And they were like, Oh no, no, 477 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,800 baby, you actually have to perform every single night 478 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,640 because I didn't know. Tony Voters. 479 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,440 They can come in anytime. Oh, and they cannot come. 480 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,240 With a God damn Tony I. Have no idea they are they like 481 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:53,480 are they? Freaks. 482 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,520 Or are they like? And I don't want to know, OK, I 483 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,440 don't want to know who they are. And Sebastian, if they. 484 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,960 Yeah, no, But yeah, so that was a very. 485 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,680 So even people were like, are you going to come back to 486 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,480 Broadway? I'm like yeah, yeah, sure, yeah. 487 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,240 For the right thing. And we're going to have to write 488 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:13,080 the music to be in my voice 100% so that even when you know what 489 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,920 I mean, like and you're singing in the winter and like you have 490 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,400 no life, you're not talking. You're like texting. 491 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,960 And it's just the amount of dedication that it takes for 492 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:31,280 Broadway and a musical. You better really love it and 493 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,520 then have an escape plan when you're done. 494 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:39,360 Mercury poisoning from sushi. Because it is intense, but I 495 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:40,600 love it and there's nothing like it. 496 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,960 It's nothing like it. Well, OK, so you told me the 497 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,000 story when we were on set of eternity and you you were like 498 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,560 you told me about the ghost thing where where like you the 499 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,560 the girl had a knee injury and then they. 500 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,760 That's how I got to the yeah. So I the I had auditioned for it 501 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,000 like 2 months out of school, but we weren't I was supposed to 502 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000 just do the Broadway. The eventual. 503 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,640 Yes, that was like months, almost a year. 504 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,960 Yeah, later. So like I it was weird too, 505 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,400 'cause it's like you got a job, but you can't talk about it. 506 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,440 And it's like a whole year from now. 507 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:22,120 And then they said the lady, she had had a knee injury that like 508 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,080 she hadn't dealt with. And I guess the doctors were 509 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,320 like, you need to babes. Yeah. 510 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,640 And so what's interesting is I don't know if it's this way now 511 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,640 'cause Broadway's changed so much, but in the UK on the West 512 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,840 End, they have like 4 understudies for the lead 513 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,880 characters. 4 Whoa. So they said no to all of those 514 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,400 who had been with their workshopping it and flew me in. 515 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,280 I had never had a rehearsal or nothing. 516 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,000 No, that was a cold room, honey, No. 517 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,520 Can you imagine waltzing in there? 518 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,400 So what? Hi guys 4. 519 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,000 Oh, and they were all. They were all. 520 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,320 No, no, because they're. All in the ensemble probably 521 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,200 too. They were like, Oh my God. 522 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,840 And you know how the Brits get down when they're upset? 523 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,320 Can't quite read. Do you hate me? 524 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,120 Do you love me? I don't know. 525 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,480 Wait, So what was the first performance like? 526 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,360 Were you flying by the seat of your pants? 527 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:15,360 I landed on a Sunday, they immediately took me to go see 528 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,040 the show. Jet lag fell asleep to the whole 529 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,680 performance. That next day, Monday, I had a 530 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,520 rehearsal with the assistant director. 531 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,800 I did not know. They said, oh, we're going to 532 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,120 have rehearsals. I'm going to walk you through 533 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,760 the show for this week. And I was like, OK, cool. 534 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,800 Had rehearsal Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. 535 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,840 They then were like, great, we feel like you're at a great 536 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,280 place. You're going to go on tonight. 537 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,440 I didn't know that they had. This was like when it was what 538 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,520 was that thing called? Doo Doo Doo Doo Skype. 539 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,640 That's what it was. The director was secretly 540 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,600 Skyping. My rehearsal was. 541 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,120 Gorgeous. No, but I don't remember what I 542 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:54,240 saw the S. Palette was. 543 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,320 Ray stunning at all times. Like he was like, it was like 544 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,200 they had a camera set up. I didn't know he was watching 545 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,400 the rehearsals. The director after two 546 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,280 rehearsals, they were like, great, you're going to go on 547 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,320 tonight. Tonight's going to be your dress 548 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,320 rehearsal. Thursday. 549 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,040 You will. I don't know. 550 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,760 Basically I had two rehearsals, dress rehearsals, Wednesday, 551 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,360 Thursday and Friday. I mean, I was all on. 552 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,560 I was performing and I was like, why would you do these few 553 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,360 people? They bought their money. 554 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:29,200 Yeah. Yeah. 555 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,440 But did you did you feel like was a part of you like? 556 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,640 Honestly was. Me, give it to God, like here we 557 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,160 go. Absolutely. 558 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,240 What else you gonna do? Yeah. 559 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,680 It was honestly kind of amazing that she couldn't see dead 560 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,000 people what she could see, you know, I mean, like to sell it. 561 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,680 I couldn't look at him. Right. 562 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,240 So if if you are Sam, I can't look at you. 563 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. 564 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,680 So it kind of imagine if I had to actually lock in with you on 565 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,880 words that I don't really know. It's hard, right? 566 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,200 We need to lock eyes with someone. 567 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,080 But to be like Sam, I can't. I could literally be searching. 568 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,240 It works. Does that make sense? 569 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:13,720 I made the disability work for me for a cool two weeks. 570 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,240 That's unbelievable. It was very interesting. 571 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,360 In some ways, I'm like, was it the best? 572 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,480 Like your first show was like the best performance of your 573 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,680 life. Because you, it's just that, 574 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,960 like you said, that speed of fun, you just. 575 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,360 And I remember I was like, I remember my teacher at Yale. 576 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:31,400 He was like, you'll never experience anything like this 577 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,440 after this. You're good. 578 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,440 Yeah. You got it out the way like that 579 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,560 in school, right. And the craziness that school 580 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,000 did. But he was like, you're good. 581 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,240 And he's right. I've never experienced like, 582 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,040 things get wild. But yeah, Nah, it kind of like 583 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,920 broke me in, do you know what I mean? 584 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,840 That then I was like, OK, so now like with whether we're filming 585 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,480 or doing TV shows, I'm like, OK, so you have more pages. 586 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,920 Yeah. Right, we'll figure it out. 587 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,720 Like, I'm going to stumble, I'm going to mess it up, but at 588 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,240 least I know this is what we're doing today so I can lock in. 589 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,840 OK, I want to talk about acting songs. 590 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,200 Yes. Do you like this? 591 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,120 To me is like the problem with so much contemporary musical 592 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,440 theatre is like, I'm gonna demonstrate two different styles 593 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,520 of acting songs, please. OK, OK. 594 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,480 I went to the store. OK. 595 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,680 It's the lyric. OK. 596 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,200 So like there's like the to the contemporary way is like, so 597 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,360 like you feel that they were taught this in school where it's 598 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,560 like so professionalized or it's it's like, I went to the store. 599 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,120 Yeah. Yep, clocking it. 600 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,640 Versus like older, kind of like Elaine Stritch, Bette Midler. 601 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,400 Yeah, Deliver it where it's just it's just like there. 602 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,680 It's like there's no difference between them singing like a jazz 603 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,600 stander that do you? Feel like contemporary musicals 604 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,640 is like indie. Is that what it is that it's 605 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,840 like, Right? Like, kind of twee the acting 606 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,800 style. Yeah, sometimes. 607 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,480 I mean, I just, I feel like there's like a weird 608 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,120 homogenization of like the way people act songs. 609 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,240 And it's like, I'm just like, I don't know if you need to be so 610 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,320 focused on like, like, I feel like I can see a teacher going 611 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,560 tell the story, you know, and like, choose the image and like 612 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,280 look up and find the memory and then sing to the memory. 613 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,840 Like, yeah. And I'm just like, I, I wonder 614 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,240 if you have like an approach or if you just feel it. 615 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,160 Yeah, yeah, of course. That I know when I so like I had 616 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,680 to take a musical theatre class in school and that was when I 617 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,880 was like, oh, that was when the world started to merge for me 618 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,880 that I was like, okay, like I did, I did. 619 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,160 I was judgy right in the class because then I call, I used to 620 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,000 call it like the cheerleading acting, you know, like like, 621 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,240 right, it's like the setting up. I'm about to do the mount and 622 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,520 I'm about to give you this big note and you better love it. 623 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,520 And I used to be like, what is? So I just thought that I was the 624 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,040 oddball in class 'cause I just was like, I don't know, look 625 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,120 like that. And I just, and luckily like 626 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,000 none of my teachers were like, no, no, you need to do that. 627 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,800 But I did think like where they learn that from? 628 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,760 What is that? I know why does it happen They. 629 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,960 Saw that somewhere. Yeah, it's a brand. 630 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,240 It's a thing. I don't know who created that 631 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,800 though. And if you listen to old. 632 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,040 Sondheim cast recordings. It's just like everyone's just 633 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,560 kind of like talking, basically. That's why I think Company is 634 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,520 genius. Yeah, it is the most natural 635 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,280 thing ever. And it kind of. 636 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,880 And what's nice about his stuff is you, it's with his stuff. 637 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,040 You can't do that. Yeah, it's not even possible. 638 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,600 It's impossible. Yeah, like. 639 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,440 Even into the woods. Like, this is a fairy tale and 640 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,080 they're real natural. Like, yeah, I need to go to the 641 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,040 festival and you know what I mean? 642 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,240 Like, yeah, that's it. Now I want to. 643 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,560 I got to go into the woods. I did. 644 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,720 This like you were just so relaxed on set. 645 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,600 It was so cool. You're such an easy actor, but I 646 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,160 felt that from you. Thank you. 647 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,280 I felt that from you. Don't you feel as like you're a 648 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,400 comedian? I'm not. 649 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,080 But like with the funnies, do you ever sometimes especially 650 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,600 like even if it's like, unless it's like you're with all of 651 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,040 your friends, sometimes with a comedic energy, Do you sometimes 652 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,200 feel like I got to warm people up to me? 653 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,760 Do you know what I mean? I sometimes feel that where I'm 654 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,960 like, how you know what I'm saying? 655 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,960 Like like, like kind of teach people. 656 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,320 Your yeah or like. People like, people still get 657 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,920 nervous about improv, you know what I mean? 658 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,000 Or people who consider I think a lot of people are very funny and 659 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,280 they don't give themselves credit. 660 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,240 Yeah, but they will like freeze up and get nervous. 661 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,040 And I. Do you ever feel that way 662 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,400 sometimes where like what I love is that I felt like being that I 663 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,880 always play I've as of yet I've always played supporting 664 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,480 characters. I think I've developed a muscle 665 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,000 of good of like, well, to come into a room and sense people's 666 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,520 energy and be like, OK, I know how to meet that and together we 667 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,000 rise, right? Totally. 668 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,440 But I find. With the. 669 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,640 Comedy people can feel very, especially if they're not 670 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,000 considering themselves, you know, like if they cast someone 671 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,880 in the movie and it's like, Oh well, that's the straight man, 672 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,360 but that's really the straight man that they can really feel 673 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,600 uncomfortable. How do you deal with that? 674 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,640 Because I think you're very free. 675 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,200 Thank you, especially with the. Comedy what? 676 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,800 Thank you. Well, I mean. 677 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,600 Yeah, I, I think I know what you mean. 678 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,360 Like the kind of like I like having the job of the clown of 679 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,880 like kind of disarming and like loosening people up. 680 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,320 Yes, yes, like I I do. Feel that people? 681 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,800 There is like, it is we, we have been like for the past 20 years 682 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,680 living under like big improvisation. 683 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,800 There's like, there's been so much like, did you do any of 684 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,920 that? Bear I I improvise. 685 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,520 With my friend Kate Berlant, like, my relationship to improv 686 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,400 is utterly contained within that collaboration. 687 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,120 And is that because you got tried? 688 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,640 The classes and I was like. I can't do this like they'd be 689 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,720 like go and I'd be like pizza. Like I, I literally could not do 690 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,680 it, but I can do it with Kate. You have a person that you feel 691 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,480 comfortable. Yeah. 692 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,440 And it just flows with. Yeah, but like I do. 693 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,080 I do think that people clam up because because we, like, value 694 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,960 it too much or something as a culture, like people are. 695 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,719 Yeah. It's like the antithesis of. 696 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,159 Yeah, it's supposed to be free. That's what I think the point of 697 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:13,679 improv is. Yeah, just be free. 698 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,719 Just like, Babble things out. Until I think the idea is like, 699 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,840 you eventually are going to get to a sweet spot and that is the 700 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,719 spark that will then allow it to completely unleash. 701 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,600 Yeah. Do they do you find that? 702 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,760 Directors. Like when you you I remember 703 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,400 when they were like he's hired and I was like, oh, baby, yes, 704 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,280 this is all about to open up really, truly and like breathe 705 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,080 and come on to a whole nother level. 706 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,239 And do you find that directors tend to lean into you for stuff 707 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,679 like that of like, oh, great, I you know what I mean? 708 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,960 Like I have him so net. Or is it the opposite where 709 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,360 they're like, don't do? What is your experience with 710 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,800 that feel a lot? This thing you're writing the 711 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,320 script. Yes, and like when I was. 712 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,840 You know, I was about to say when I was 15, I felt 15 when I 713 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,440 was like 25 doing my first big jobs and like they wanted me to 714 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,560 improvise. I was like, OK, OK, whatever. 715 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,800 But now I feel a little bit like, well, I don't want to. 716 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,800 Yeah, I don't. I don't want to write it. 717 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,320 Yeah, like you guys write it. Yeah. 718 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,560 Or bring me in early. And give me a credit and a 719 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,760 check. Yeah, exactly. 720 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,400 And I will, happily. Write it and it's so. 721 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,800 Much more fun to. Be given lines and then, you 722 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,560 know, I don't know. It's just like, I don't know. 723 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,200 I'm like, it's a lot of pressure. 724 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,800 Yeah. Anyway, well, we're getting, I'm 725 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,600 getting word from our producer it's time to do a soft rap. 726 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,560 I'm so happy to see you again. I know it was so fun working 727 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,560 with you. I know we have to do more of. 728 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,960 It we need to do more of it and we can not not do this again no 729 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,080 and we. Should we do a podcast? 730 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,120 I have a We should do a podcast and I want to hear about my. 731 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,640 Thoughts or your thoughts on my career? 732 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,800 Yes, I have. Huge and I'm huge plans that 733 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,760 I've. Had hiding at the bit. 734 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,920 Biding at. The bit to hear it well with 735 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,920 that, see you later.