1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:02,680 OK, they'll start rolling about. That are you? 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,880 Are you burnt on talking about your film? 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,480 No, I mean, you know, but I feel like it's been a whole. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,320 It's been a whole year. Yeah, right. 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,120 It's been a whole year. Come out. 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Come on. Sundance. 7 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,760 It was Sundance was world premiere last year. 8 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,880 Oh, yeah. So I went back one. 9 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,320 Year ago or two years ago? One year ago. 10 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:21,720 Really. Yeah. 11 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,920 Oh. My God, I remember seeing Past 12 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,720 Lives at the Angelica when it was there and it was, it was 13 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,479 like the first time I'd been in a theatre with an audience and I 14 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,240 just, yeah, I loved it. And the whole other room was 15 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,880 packed and people were so into it. 16 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,440 And it just made me excited about movies, what kind of 17 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:45,440 movies that I love. But it was so personal, and it's 18 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,400 always been something's like touching it but not 19 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,280 embarrassing, like, you know, that is done. 20 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,520 Yeah. Just with restraint and taste. 21 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:54,240 And. Yeah. 22 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,720 So I loved it. But what? 23 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,320 I'm just curious. I know you were a playwright 24 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,200 before, and this is your first film. 25 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,080 Did you make short films before? Is this the first time you ever 26 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,440 did something with the camera? It's the first time, well, I 27 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,360 think that I was in theatre for 10 years and I remember 28 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:13,280 transitioning into film. And then, I mean, I I was 29 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,480 thinking about this before, which is that like, I mean, when 30 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,040 we first met, we met at the Chanel event. 31 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,120 Oh, yeah, Yeah. And I was just like, I remember 32 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,000 sitting there and like looking over at you and being like, Oh 33 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,480 my God. Sophia couple last year and then 34 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,640 of course you came up and then you told me that you saw it at 35 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,480 the Angelica and to me I'm like, that's just feels so special 36 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,160 because of course the New York film. 37 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,040 Yeah. And to be, yeah, to be in New 38 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,080 York and go in my neighborhood and oh. 39 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,440 Yeah, like walk over to the movie theatre. 40 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,280 Like that was one of my favorite parts of moving to New York, 41 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,440 that you can just walk over to your neighbor movie theatre and 42 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,800 be like, I hope the movie I want to see is there. 43 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,160 Yeah, so we're excited that your movie was at the Angelica. 44 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,960 Did you? Yeah, of. 45 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,360 Course, I feel like that was such a, that was such a wild 46 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,840 thing. And I feel like being in 47 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,800 theatre, so much of your life is about like, because theatre is 48 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,880 local. Yeah. 49 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,440 Right in such a deep way, yeah. Have you? 50 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,040 Have you wanted to work in theatre? 51 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,840 Have you felt? Oh, like a lot. 52 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,520 In is a. Director. 53 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,040 A writer, yeah. You know, I've only. 54 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,400 I did once. I directed an opera in Rome at 55 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,320 the Rome Opera House. I did La traviata. 56 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,080 Oh, my God. And it was really the scariest 57 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,680 thing I've ever done. And, and I was really, I just 58 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,120 rely so much on my cinematographer that like not 59 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,120 having the camera to tell the story was really interesting. 60 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,280 But then it, it realized it wasn't that different. 61 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,960 You're just, you're still telling a story with actors and 62 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,600 of course, and just using lighting and staging. 63 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,280 And but it was so exciting because I remember that she has 64 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,200 to walk down this big staircase. I thought like, what if she 65 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,840 falls like that? That live thing is so yeah, it 66 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,680 was such an exciting, different experience, but. 67 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,280 But I, I love that about film where I'm just like, you're 68 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,320 never going to miss the lighting queue, right? 69 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,880 You're never going to miss the sound queue because that's like 70 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,280 a natural part of live performance. 71 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,680 So it's like your stage manager is always having to do that 72 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,160 accurately every night. Like they're there every night. 73 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,760 Like hitting the Yeah. I never thought about that. 74 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,360 So for you, you can really get it exactly how you imagine and 75 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,400 not worry about something. Every night it will be every 76 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,240 time anybody plays it. A movie. 77 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,240 Anytime you play it, it's going to be the same. 78 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,480 But in theatre, it might be a little sooner, a little bit 79 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:27,480 later than you might want it. Right, but each performance feel 80 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,920 different too of. Course, well, the audience is 81 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:31,600 different, yeah. And right. 82 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,000 And actors are are they're people, right? 83 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,680 Yeah, that's so in fact, they are people. 84 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,600 Yeah, they. Are yeah, I find it really 85 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,480 mysterious because I, yeah, I don't it's not that familiar to 86 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,520 me and but I thought it was exciting. 87 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,000 But it's yeah, it's totally foreign. 88 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Well. The the because the actors 89 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,120 respond to the animal that is the audience, right? 90 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,000 So you're seeing like the actors change their performance. 91 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,280 Oh, interesting. And we get to see that, I feel 92 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,000 like in film, in front of the camera, right? 93 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,000 But the audience doesn't, of course. 94 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,360 Like if they see, I'm sure that's what was happening to you 95 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,680 because that's what's happening to me where like if I look 96 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,040 happy, the actors like I'm their audience, right? 97 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,960 So the actor will. Play for you play. 98 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,279 For yeah, right. And then if I look worried, 99 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,600 they're like, yeah. That's interesting that you 100 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,080 probably have a that's so smart that as you're directing that 101 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,720 you know that you're the audience because you've had that 102 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,640 experience in the theater. But yeah, that's totally. 103 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,440 I didn't think of it as that you're being their audience 104 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,200 live, but that makes sense. They they totally are looking 105 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,760 for your reaction and well. You're the chief audience. 106 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,040 The director is a chief audience. 107 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,360 But of course, the whole crew, yeah, you know, you're are 108 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,920 cinematographers. Like they're also the audience 109 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,880 too. Also, the director sets the tone 110 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,560 and yeah, I don't know, I feel like there was a, there's a bit 111 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,240 of performance that I felt like. I had to do. 112 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,840 Yeah, That's interesting. No, I do feel like that. 113 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:58,280 Everyone's looking to you. I think of it as like motherhood 114 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:01,320 because it's the same kind of role where they're looking at 115 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:02,120 you. Is it OK? 116 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,840 And it's the same thing I feel like with kids or something. 117 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:07,240 So I feel like yeah. And definitely setting the tone. 118 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,880 I think that makes a huge difference. 119 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,720 I know people so like, oh, you're sets are common. 120 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,120 I realize I don't spend time on other people's sets that much, 121 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,040 but I, I definitely have a rule about no yelling or like I never 122 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,680 want to AD that's a screamer and it's so unnecessary. 123 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,160 So I do think that that yeah, the atmosphere is important and 124 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,360 I and I could tell, I bet from your movie that it was because I 125 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,400 of your demeanor that it was calm. 126 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,040 I'm sure I. Feel like I don't, I think, I 127 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,040 think yelling everything, but I feel like more importantly, it's 128 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,440 like it just can't ever turn personal because we're all there 129 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,080 to do work. And I think to me, I'm like that 130 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,920 when you talk about motherhood. I felt that way so. 131 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,000 Much care. Of your people because I'm not a 132 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,560 mother and it really I think directing a movie made me 133 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,320 realize that I could do it like I could be a mom like there was 134 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,760 a real revelation for me because before I made past lives I was 135 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,680 like can I be a mom like is that something that I can do and then 136 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 once I made it I'm just like I can do it I. 137 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,120 Can do anything after that if it's. 138 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,120 But you're taking care of people and everyone's looking to you 139 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,360 the same time. When people falls down, they 140 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,080 look at you and they have to be like, yeah, you're fine. 141 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,840 Yeah, so. It's a similar thing. 142 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:15,520 Yeah. You were so right. 143 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,920 You're just like, and I think you're just holding down the. 144 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,320 Yeah, right. You're just holding it down. 145 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,720 And even when you're scared. Yeah, you have to. 146 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,040 You can't. They can't do it. 147 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:25,640 Yeah. Yeah. 148 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,000 So you're you're. Like your partner now Yeah cuz 149 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,560 right, cuz sometimes like I feel like and sometimes the partners 150 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:33,400 different. Usually I feel like. 151 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,720 My producer is usually the, they're the, they're the 152 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,560 partners that I can go to them and say like, I'm I'm scared. 153 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,680 Right, yeah, no, I I love having, I have a producer that I 154 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,880 work with all the time and I feel like I could follow up. 155 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,120 I don't have to be strong with with him, but I remember like I 156 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,440 was having a hard time right before I was about to start 157 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,160 shooting on Purcell and we had to like cut a bunch of the, the 158 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,120 script down like the week before and my kids were calling from I 159 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,280 was in Toronto, my kids were in New York. 160 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:00,840 They needed me and I was just like, and I looked at my DP and 161 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:03,600 he's really sensitive and he's and he and I and I and he, I 162 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:04,760 looked like I was about to fall apart. 163 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,240 I was like, I'm going to, I need to be strong. 164 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,000 And he's like, you don't have to be strong all the time. 165 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,120 Like it was so sweet. But but having those those 166 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,720 relationships with your crew that you really trust and that 167 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,240 you can have doubts and be vulnerable, I felt like is so 168 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,360 totally well, I feel. Like you can always ask for help 169 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,360 from them. Yeah, you. 170 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,520 Know yeah, there was a moment where I was like, everything had 171 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,400 gone very badly for that day and we didn't know if we're going to 172 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,840 get what we needed because. And for all the technical 173 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,160 reasons, basically we were trying to catch this one sunset 174 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,960 and we had a whole plan about catching the sunset. 175 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,560 And that day, because it was cloudy, there was no sun, and we 176 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,920 scouted that location like 10 times. 177 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,880 For that sun. For that sunset, and we had 178 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,520 prepped it for the sunset and there was no sun to set. 179 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,400 And what did? You do did. 180 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,440 You well, it was funny because there's a part of it because we 181 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,080 had invested so much into that sunset that we were all like, I 182 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,680 don't know, you don't want to give up on it right So in a 183 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,760 funny way, I think that me and my DP and our whole crew, we 184 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,920 were like acting like a miracle was going to happen, right, 185 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,560 right. But of course miracle didn't 186 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,000 happen. And then there was a moment 187 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,720 where I had to be like, well, the miracle is not coming. 188 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:27,040 So we're going to have to go and ask our actors to bail us out. 189 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,080 And that's what happened. So I asked my actors, Teo and 190 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,120 Greta, who had who are waiting to, you know, go And I went to 191 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,559 them and I was like, and it's kind of like they're just being 192 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,880 like, well, so mommy needs help, you know, I'm like, hey, like 193 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,799 there's no sunset. There's no sunset. 194 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:48,760 We have time for maybe 3 takes so you're gonna have to bail us 195 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,520 out. Yeah, they're gonna have to make 196 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,200 the magical moment. They're gonna have. 197 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,800 To make the sunset. We shot it without the sunset, 198 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,200 but it's the scene in front of the carousel where it's just 199 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,160 like a 1, you know, and it's just one position for the 200 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,440 camera. And then we just do the whole 201 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,680 scene there and we just roll that roll on that three times. 202 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:09,040 Until you lose the light. And until you lose the light and 203 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,560 then but of course, like, but I was in the edit, I was like, oh, 204 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:13,560 you don't. Even. 205 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,600 You never the concept was gonna be too much oh oh, see it 206 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:17,400 always. Works out the. 207 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:19,400 I thought it always works out the way it's supposed to. 208 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:21,320 I don't know. I feel like that must be a 209 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,000 Sometimes I'm like, well, there's a movie God, and 210 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,400 sometimes the movie God is blessing you. 211 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:28,080 You know, but I think it always, I feel like an experience. 212 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,440 It always works out the way it's supposed to. 213 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,480 Like sometimes if the actor ends up falling out, you can't get 214 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,840 them. You have to get someone else. 215 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,800 And then you're always like, oh, I'm so glad it was them. 216 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,360 Like they're so much better than that. 217 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,200 So I feel like, I feel like there is. 218 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:44,040 Well, the right person is the right person always. 219 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,120 Yeah, you know. And things like that, like it 220 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,760 would have been too much like I felt like it. 221 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Yeah. Well, you just have to make what 222 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,240 you can with what you have. But I think usually it works out 223 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,400 the way. It's not meant exactly. 224 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,080 I mean, is it delusion? I don't. 225 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,120 I don't think sometimes it's objectively better. 226 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,360 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 227 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,880 Yeah, I think it's. Yeah, yeah. 228 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,040 I think that's the excitement of it because you lose the location 229 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,760 or the weather or something and it you have to figure it out and 230 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,040 then you you come up with something that you might not 231 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,560 have thought it right. But I mean, I feel like you, 232 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,800 what I always think about with your films is the, of course, 233 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,200 casting is everything, but I feel like the way that your 234 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,040 voice is also seen through casting. 235 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,720 I always think about that. I loved, I loved your cast. 236 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,240 Yeah, I loved your cast and I feel like your cast is like you 237 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,160 can tell what your I feel like a director's voice is actually 238 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,480 seemed very much through casting. 239 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,080 And I feel like I was always so curious about the way that you 240 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,840 cast. Like what was your process of, 241 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,920 you know, thinking? About Jacob, yeah, I love your 242 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,240 cast. I think it is. 243 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,280 I guess it's a reflection of your kind of your taste or like 244 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,400 what how you see a woman and what qualities and I guess, 245 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:53,400 yeah, I never thought about that. 246 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,720 The personality of the person does come close. 247 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,040 So yeah, I think it's just, I usually just think it's I meet 248 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,360 people in the people that you connect with, you think that 249 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,480 they have the same sense of humor or they seem smart or like 250 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,400 it's like a taste thing of like how they would and then you 251 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,640 trust them of like how they would approach things. 252 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,600 I feel like when I first worked with Kirsten Dunst, I felt like 253 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,160 it was my first film and just having that like being on the 254 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,720 same wavelength helped me so much because she she got what I 255 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,040 was talking about without having me having to explain so much. 256 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,320 And then, and then as we work together over the years, like I, 257 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,040 that's something that I, that I love having that rapport. 258 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,760 But don't you think it's just you? 259 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,240 You're drawn to certain people and yeah, talking to them, they 260 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,400 kind of get what you're talking about because they're, they have 261 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,120 to convey what you have in your. Mind. 262 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,600 Totally. And it's like if they get it, 263 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,160 they get it right yeah. And I do think it's about a 264 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,880 tasting too, because sometimes I can't explain why, yeah, that's 265 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,840 the right person, even though if you were to break it down 266 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,560 objectively, like maybe like the person that I don't think is 267 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:56,760 right and the person that I do think are right is right is 268 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,560 maybe most people can't tell the difference. 269 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,120 Yeah, but I know. Yeah, I feel like whoever you're 270 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,520 just excited about, that's how when I can't tell I'm just like, 271 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,240 who would I be excited to see in that part or that's a big part 272 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,640 when I'm writing that motivates me. 273 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,440 Like the part I love is like getting the actors there and 274 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,240 seeing them play it out. Do you, do you imagine sometimes 275 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,000 actors when you were writing that or? 276 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,120 I have real trouble doing that. Well, this story seems so 277 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:21,960 personal. Yeah. 278 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,440 Where you just kind of putting yourself into it was how 279 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,040 autobiographical. Was it? 280 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,400 I feel like I would say it was like a inspired by 281 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,880 autobiographical moment because it's like the opening scene of 282 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:39,280 sitting between the the child sweetheart come to visit and 283 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:39,920 your husband. Oh. 284 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,600 I love, I love the opening. Yeah, and that was happening. 285 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,480 What's going on? Did that happen to you that. 286 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,800 Happened to me and I was sitting there with my child sweetheart 287 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,720 who's now a friend and had come to visit me from Korea. 288 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,520 And we weren't, it wasn't like that kind of a thing, but we did 289 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,360 speak a separate language then. The one I have with my husband, 290 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,640 who I live with in New York City. 291 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,440 And he doesn't speak English. Yeah, he doesn't speak English 292 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,680 and my husband tries but doesn't really speak Korean. 293 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,520 And I think that really translating between these two 294 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,720 people and realizing both of them know a part of me that the 295 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,160 other person right doesn't know. And also they, but they're 296 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,680 trying what a beautiful thing that they're trying to know what 297 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:23,480 the other person knows. Right. 298 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:24,880 And the different sides of yourself. 299 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,920 Different sides of myself, but also like I felt like, well, I'm 300 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,240 only whole. I'm only, I can only be known 301 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,720 wholly if both of them are here, right? 302 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,760 I can only be known by them collectively if they both are 303 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,200 trying to communicate what they know about me. 304 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:42,640 Right. Or you're the only one. 305 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,400 I'm the only one also. So. 306 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,800 So I have to be loved in this way. 307 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,400 And that's the only way I could be loved in full. 308 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,240 Right. And how good they were to each 309 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,640 other, you know, and how much they wanted to be decent to each 310 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,360 other. That was such a moving thing. 311 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,000 Yeah. And I think that moment was the 312 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,520 inspiration for the whole thing. That's so interesting. 313 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,000 Yeah. So I feel like when it comes to 314 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,680 autobiographical things, some of it is about like, well, what 315 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,480 does the character want? And sometimes it's like, well, 316 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,600 this part of autobiography is really interesting for the 317 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,400 character. And some of it I'm just like, 318 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,000 it's not that interesting, but right, Right. 319 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,560 Right. So I think it's just kind of 320 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:19,680 like a puzzle. So for that, yeah. 321 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,720 But yeah, I mean, I feel like that's one, but I'll feel like 322 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,960 in general, in my life, I don't think I've ever been able to 323 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,640 write for a specific actor because. 324 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,920 Because you're thinking a moment, yeah. 325 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,000 Because you're trying to create characters that sort of exist 326 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,480 for the film alone, right? Right. 327 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,160 And I wish that I was a little bit more like, well, blah, blah, 328 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,040 if I get blah, blah, blah for this role, it'd be perfect. 329 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,080 But it's usually and also I want to see, I want to see new sides 330 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,040 of actors too. Yeah, definitely. 331 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,040 You know what I mean? Because. 332 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,680 I think that's exciting. When you see someone you're 333 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,520 like, you know that they could do something that they that you 334 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:53,960 haven't they haven't shown before. 335 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,480 I love that. Yeah, that's exciting. 336 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,280 Because it's like, I want to always be able to say that to 337 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,360 the actor that I'm working with every day to be like, we're 338 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,360 going to do something new today, right? 339 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,000 Because it's a little bit, I don't know. 340 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,760 I think it's like. Otherwise I think they they feel 341 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,280 like like tools or or objects for the thing. 342 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,560 Yeah, you want it to be exciting and a challenge. 343 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,320 Yeah. You want it to be feel like it's 344 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,040 a relationship we're having. Yeah, right. 345 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:22,640 Yeah, yeah. And that you're finding it 346 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,400 together. Exactly, Yeah. 347 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,680 Did you with that? It's so I mean, it makes sense 348 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,320 that it that that story came from that moment. 349 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,560 Did you ever explore that in a play before you decided to make 350 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:33,480 it as a film? No, no. 351 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,480 Were you were you thinking? I want to you were thinking 352 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,080 about a film and and that story could fit as a film instead of a 353 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,800 play. Well, I think that I actually 354 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,640 felt like the the film was the only way that this particular 355 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,320 story could work, right, Right, right. 356 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,240 Because it spans decades and continents. 357 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,560 So it kind of is like you kind of need to feel the location and 358 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,800 the right, because it's like what my joke is usually that 359 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,080 it's like the villain of the villain of the story is 24 years 360 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,840 in Pacific Ocean, right? Yeah, yeah. 361 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,800 Like that's the reason why they're not together. 362 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,440 It's not because of anything else. 363 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,720 It's because of the way that I live sort of work. 364 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,440 Out, yeah. Yeah, of course. 365 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,760 And I assume that when you're working on Priscilla, part of it 366 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,040 is that you fell in love with the book. 367 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,720 Yeah, yeah, I was just in her book. 368 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,640 I thought there was, I was surprised with that. 369 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,440 There were parts that were relatable and just like the 370 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,880 human aspect, but that, you know, any girl gone to these 371 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,480 different moments and then like to hear that what she went 372 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,520 through and it was just surprising and just that the 373 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,040 complexity of their relationship and and, and I think I don't 374 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:45,920 know, I guess they're related to that. 375 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,960 We all go through. Or when you're younger, you can 376 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,960 be in relationships where you think it's your whole life. 377 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,560 And then of course, it just becomes, you know, a moment in 378 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,320 your life that shapes you and, and, and just how much you'll 379 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,880 learn and put up with in a relationship and what you. 380 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:05,440 Yeah, I just kind of what you went through. 381 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,440 I thought it was relatable to that experience of being being 382 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,440 young and crushes and of. Course, but also like they're 383 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,839 wanting to be in a relationship with like Justin Bieber. 384 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,920 Yeah, yeah, right. Because that's who Elvis was. 385 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,440 Yeah. Because Elvis was just like the 386 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,920 biggest possible star. It's like 1. 387 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:25,680 It's like I want to. It's like the how teenage girls 388 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,560 want to be in a relationship with like Timothy Chalamet. 389 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,880 Yeah, exactly. And and like, yeah, of course 390 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,520 they're gonna. And they could, you know, 391 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,720 there's a lot of fan fiction about that. 392 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,840 You know, yeah. Oh yeah. 393 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:36,560 Or about. Like Harry Styles. 394 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,640 Like Harry Styles. There's a really famous one, I 395 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,920 think. Yeah, but I don't totally get it 396 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,920 because I think it's like they he like locks you up. 397 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,560 Oh, really? Which I think is like I I was 398 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,280 thinking about it. Yeah, I never understood like 399 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,600 those like 50 Shades of Grey 9 to probably 9 1/2 weeks the the 400 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,000 no, I haven't read. I haven't read 50 Shades of Grey 401 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,280 either. No, I haven't either. 402 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,360 No, I mean, I think I tried to. They sent it to me when they 403 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:04,480 were making it. They were like, no way. 404 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,640 I mean, I think it's just that thing where it's like it's, it's 405 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,960 funny the the desire to be dominated by that, that person 406 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,040 that you adore. Yeah, I don't get that as as as 407 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,280 an adult, but I I can see it as a as a teenager that it's like 408 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:21,240 so there's so much mystery and I. 409 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,520 Mean, I wonder if it's also a part of like being such a 410 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,400 because something that really struck me about your movie. 411 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,400 Priscilla is such a good girl. Oh yeah, but she but she has a 412 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,600 rebellious. But that's what I mean. 413 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,680 But I think that, well, I was AI was a pretty good girl when I 414 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,440 was little. And I think that part of it is 415 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,280 like when you're a good girl, but you want all these, but 416 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:46,720 you're so like you're burning. Yeah, for something, right. 417 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,800 And a part of it is you just have a bad desires, right. 418 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,520 Yeah, Yeah. Because every up at school, like 419 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,080 I'm like, I do my homework, I show up. 420 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,040 I'm so like. I'm not that rebellious, yeah. 421 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,160 Or you like this as well? Like, yeah, yeah. 422 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,120 So but then I feel like because of that. 423 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,800 Yeah, you want to have another side? 424 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,760 You want to have another side and what an amazing thing that 425 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,240 your other side is. For Priscilla, it's it's been a 426 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,240 relationship, secret relationship with Elvis. 427 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. To me, it's like the ultimate of 428 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,960 all the yeah kind of desires of of that age. 429 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,680 Yeah, that you don't want to, that you don't want to be like, 430 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,880 you've been in so much trouble, you know what I mean? 431 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:24,280 Yeah. Yeah. 432 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,640 What a special feeling. But then you're in so much 433 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,200 trouble. But you're so in love and you're 434 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,920 still most powerful pop person ever. 435 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,560 It's so crazy, but I think it's like, yeah, super romantic and 436 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,040 yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's not what it 437 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,840 seems. Too, Yeah, yeah, no, I love that 438 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,880 that it looks like this like fairy tale and then the the 439 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:49,440 darkness of it. I'm so I'm excited that about 440 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,880 the you starting in this as a film. 441 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,840 How did you put your team together? 442 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,840 Because I feel like it takes a while to find your team and this 443 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,440 being your first film, did you know any of the crew before or 444 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:08,280 how did you find them? I show them my script and then 445 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,400 they wanted to do it. Yeah, that's great. 446 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,880 I mean, I usually call it like AI call it like my seduction 447 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,560 technique, like the animal Kingdom that you have that you. 448 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,200 Have like your superpower. I just to show them the script 449 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,840 and of course, like the script is meant as like a kind of a 450 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,000 pitch document, right? Because it's meant to be like 451 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,560 this is the kind of movie it's going to be. 452 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,720 So it's like if they wanted to come and do it. 453 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,040 And by the way, it's not like most of the people first person 454 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,800 that we were sent to, they would read it and they want to do it. 455 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,360 But I think sometimes, like sometimes you don't get it and 456 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:42,480 then that's OK. You know, it's like, and then 457 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,600 I'm like, oh, that's such a lovely way to know. 458 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:45,560 If they're the. Right. 459 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,880 They're the right person because, right, Because I'm 460 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,720 like, well, the movie that I want to make isn't changing. 461 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,960 So if they don't really think that, it's cool. 462 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,800 Then that's yeah, that's so that's so wise of you. 463 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,120 I, I remember when I was trying to lost in translation and I met 464 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,400 a few different producers and my script was very slim and, and 465 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,640 like it was very, very minimal. And I remember some producer 466 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,080 being like, oh, we'll work on the story more and like just 467 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,960 didn't get it at all. And then I met another producer. 468 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,760 They were like, Oh yeah, this is cool, we can do it. 469 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,360 And then so I end up working with them. 470 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:18,520 So it's true. Maybe your project just finds 471 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,160 who who clicks with it. Yeah, I agree. 472 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,680 I think it is like dating where, Yeah, right. 473 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,520 We're just like, well, for somebody, you're exactly what 474 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,200 they're looking for. Yeah, Yeah, right. 475 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,040 Yeah, that's true. And you don't wanna be with 476 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,120 anybody who is not doesn't that you're not that for you. 477 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,560 Yeah, exactly right. I think so much of it is a 478 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,760 sensibility. Exactly. 479 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,120 And I love the guy who plays your husband is Had you worked 480 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:45,360 with him in the theatre? No, I I met all of them in like 481 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,520 audition or a meeting. Did you know Greta from? 482 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,640 No, I didn't know her. Yeah, I didn't know her from I 483 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,800 had, I hadn't watched the show, but she's more of a comedy. 484 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,080 Person yeah, yeah. She, I think most of her work 485 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,480 was in like comedy, a lot of it was in TV and then so she 486 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,640 auditioned, she sent in a tape. Oh wow. 487 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,400 You know, and Tayo, who plays headhong, he played, sent in a 488 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,840 tape. Did you know right away when you 489 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,520 saw them? Yeah, yeah, you just do. 490 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,000 Yeah, you just meet them and then you're like, I think it's. 491 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,200 You. Yeah, yeah. 492 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,120 Yeah, right. And then you just try to see if 493 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:20,120 you're right. So that's what the audition was 494 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:22,840 like my callback audition, which I did like for like 3 hours 495 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,360 each. Like I talked to Greta for 2 1/2 496 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,240 hours. I talked to Tayo for like 3 1/2 497 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,480 hours and it's because it's but it's just to confirm that you 498 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,160 guys. Can spend this time together. 499 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,200 Yeah. And also I like need to know 500 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,360 like that my instinct is right. Yeah, right. 501 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:40,800 Because you, you meet them and you're like, I think you're 502 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,320 right. Yeah. 503 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,960 But then you have to be like OK. Check it out a little. 504 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,560 Exactly. Second date, second date. 505 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,600 You just have to keep pushing on the date and being like, are we 506 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,360 right about this together? Yeah, about this. 507 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,320 Well, we're not quite right about that, but we know that we 508 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,560 have this other common, you know, so I think it's like 509 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,680 getting to know them, yeah. When you're in the in the 510 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,880 theatre, did you direct plays to? 511 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,600 No, I just. But the writer is more of the 512 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,320 prominent. Yeah, yeah. 513 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,640 Voice in theatre, right? So you're always working with 514 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,040 the director about like how you want the tone or whatever? 515 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,040 Yeah. So it wasn't that different from 516 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,000 what you had done in it, No. I I learned it's not, it's not 517 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,680 that much different than all actually. 518 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,640 Yeah, Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I feel like, I 519 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,160 mean, when you met Kaylee and Jacob, like, did you also feel 520 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,960 like, I think this is the right person or does it take you a 521 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,560 longer courtship? No, no, I just met Kaylee. 522 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,560 I met Demich once, and then I was like, and then I looked at 523 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,160 other people's tapes and stuff, but I always came back to them. 524 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,120 But I learned from when I was casting somewhere. 525 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:40,080 Elle Fanning, I met her when she was 11. 526 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,080 And Fred Roos, who helps me, that we've met her and we loved 527 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,920 her, but he's always like, we have to be thorough. 528 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,800 We have to meet everyone. But she's the one to beat, so I 529 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,440 always remember that. So she's our favorite. 530 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,160 And then we met all these girls and everyone else, like, no, 531 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,200 she's they're not L they're not L So I think when you meet 532 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,240 someone you just know, but then there's that kind of 533 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,680 thoroughness of making sure you meet everyone. 534 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,840 But I feel like it's like, yeah, you just get excited. 535 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,000 You see them as that, and we're excited about seeing them in 536 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:05,560 that part. Oh. 537 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,840 Yeah, it's a. Oh, I want to ask you about 538 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:09,960 writing because I find that the hardest part. 539 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,080 Do you? Do you when you get do you ever 540 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,720 get stuck or like, do you have rituals around writing or I 541 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,240 think people procrastinate a lot. 542 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,680 Like they're all writers procrastinate, I think. 543 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,320 So are you disciplined about writing? 544 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,480 No. Well, I think that the 545 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,520 discipline I think comes in a different shape, right? 546 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,320 Because I feel like in my discipline, do I like write 5 547 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,520 hours a day? No do. 548 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,480 You have a like that office that you go to or do you ride to the? 549 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,680 Kitchen. Kitchen table. 550 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,840 Oh yeah. I've done that. 551 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,440 But now, now that kids, I have to get out. 552 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,600 Yeah, but yeah. Well, I feel like I would say 553 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,560 it's the. I would say it's the hardest 554 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,480 part anyway. And your husband's a writer. 555 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,760 Yeah, he's a writer, so I feel like, but a part of it is like 556 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,800 you're just, I don't know, you just feel like a little piece of 557 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,640 broccoli, you know, on the kitchen counter for most of the 558 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,600 process of writing. Like you're just so useless for 559 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,800 so long. Yeah. 560 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,400 Do you know I'm not thinking of having like an inkling of idea, 561 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,120 but you don't know the rest of it. 562 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,280 And then do you feel like you just force yourself to? 563 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,280 Well, I think that you I feel like I can't start unless I know 564 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,360 how it's going to go and how it ends. 565 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:18,640 Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 566 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,160 But that's part of the that's where the procrastination comes 567 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,360 in. It's just walking around and 568 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:23,640 thinking about it and. Yeah. 569 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,040 And then like just like writing like 3 lines of dialogue and 570 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,480 then calling the day like you. Have to force yourself and you 571 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,120 don't feel like it. Just do something. 572 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,080 Well, I think I feel like I usually find it to be if there's 573 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,400 an assignment, there's an adaptation, there's an 574 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,560 assignment, those I can do. Yeah, me too. 575 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,640 But when you when you have to write your own personal thing. 576 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,120 I think it's a little bit more like you just sit and then you 577 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:51,040 just like, you just like kind of like, I don't know. 578 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,360 I I wish that I knew how to describe it in a way that sounds 579 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,800 more like it's awesome. Yeah. 580 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,200 Go. But it's just you're just sit 581 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,960 there and you're just like, well, I clearly don't know how 582 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,200 to do this. Yeah. 583 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,880 Never been able to do it. Yeah. 584 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,360 Was I ever good? Right. 585 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:07,560 Was I ever able to do it? Yeah. 586 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,800 How do you finish the last script? 587 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,720 I can't remember. Yeah. 588 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,280 Yeah. Right. 589 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,360 And then you just are like a little piece of broccoli just 590 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,960 sitting in the side of the kitchen, just a catching kitchen 591 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,600 counter drying out. And then. 592 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,880 And then eventually you're like, oh, wait, maybe. 593 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,200 That's can add. Yeah, yeah. 594 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,600 I thought sometimes I just like make stuff up because I need 595 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,880 something and then it ends up being part of the story, even 596 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,200 though I feel like it's just some dumb thing that happened to 597 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,600 me. So I put it in because I need 598 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,800 some pages. Well, I think about that when it 599 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,080 comes to like, well, you're talking about the just a dumb 600 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,040 thing that you just kind of worked on. 601 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,680 The part of it where it's like, I think it is kind of like that. 602 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,440 I think we have to allow ourselves to be right, like 603 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,960 allow ourselves to be that and stupid. 604 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,480 Yeah, because I guess your subconscious is part of it at 605 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,200 some point. Do you, did you ever hear about 606 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,000 there's like it was really popular in the 90's, The 607 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,080 Artist's Way, this book that we used to do like Morning Pages. 608 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,360 Yeah, My friend was looking at it again and someone told me to 609 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,440 get it for my daughter. And then I was like, oh, should 610 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,360 we, should we do this like with the Morning Pages? 611 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,960 I haven't done it, but I I wondered if. 612 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,400 It's like a prompt or something. I think it's just the idea that 613 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,000 every morning you write a couple pages without thinking about it 614 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,280 and it's supposed to like, get your creativity flowing. 615 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,240 But I don't know, I mean. I feel like I wonder if that's 616 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,560 for morning people. Yeah, yeah, it's for another. 617 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,920 One are you morning. Person No, I used to write at 618 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,440 night. I stayed up all night writing, 619 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,800 but now I with kids, you I can't do that. 620 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,280 So but there's something that there's less pressure at night. 621 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,480 I feel like it's you're not really part of the real working 622 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,920 world. You're this is like a, it makes 623 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,120 it more like a hobby or like A and something's like a freedom 624 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:39,320 in that. I agree. 625 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,240 I mean, I so do. What's your working hour? 626 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,920 How are your working hours? Actually I. 627 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,880 Don't know, but I used to just stay up all all night writing 628 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,000 and then yeah. So enjoy that while you can. 629 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,760 But with, with having kids, then I had to figure out like just 630 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,880 getting out of going to the office and and then sitting 631 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,360 there or I, I find it a lot when I leave. 632 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,040 Like if I go away for a couple days on my own, then I can kind 633 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,400 of just get lost. And it's hard to kind of switch 634 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,640 with being responsible. And yeah, if like when you're in 635 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,920 the mode of a story, you kind of need to be lost in it. 636 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,920 So I think. I think so, and then sometimes I 637 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,960 have. To figure it out. 638 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,640 Conveniently. Yeah, yeah. 639 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,080 And you're like, Oh my God, I'm about to walk into something and 640 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,560 I'm already like, I want to go and work on that thing. 641 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,000 Yeah, yeah. When you get obsessed with it, 642 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,040 then it's exciting. If there's a lot of like, not 643 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,280 knowing what you're doing and then you get, then you get 644 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,520 really into something. Totally. 645 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,360 Do you? Are you working? 646 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,160 Are you writing now? Do you know what you're going 647 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,720 to? Do yeah, I mean I am trying to 648 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,840 write but I think it's that's the issue like. 649 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,680 When I'm when you're still talking about this, probably. 650 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,680 Yeah. But the beginning of it, I think 651 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,360 that I think it's like a lot of procrastination, a lot of like 652 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,040 feeling like a broccoli. And then I feel like it gets to 653 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,920 a place where I feel like then I become like a kind of a demon 654 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,600 for that thing. And then I just need like I 655 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,720 usually, it usually takes me like 4 weeks to write a script, 656 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,760 right? Well, that's fast. 657 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,000 It's really fast. But that's because I don't do 658 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,640 anything else for those two four weeks, right? 659 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,600 Like I cancel all my plans. I don't leave, right. 660 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,960 And I just like, I eat and when I eat, that's when I do emails. 661 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,280 And I mean like, it's like. So you just get obsessed, Yeah. 662 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,040 It just becomes like demonic. So you. 663 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,360 Just kind of walk around and think about something until it 664 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,480 it gels enough that you can go into that mode. 665 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,280 Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's more like I just need to get 666 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,200 this done by the end of the month. 667 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,200 Like sometimes it's just like not even like Eureka. 668 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,920 Sometimes it's like I have a bunch of eurekas. 669 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,720 But more importantly, I want to get it done this month. 670 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,640 I'm no longer interested in, right? 671 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,480 I just want to get it out. Did you have like a few ideas 672 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,560 that you were thinking about before or do you feel, do you 673 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,000 feel pressure after this movie that everyone's excited to see 674 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,040 your next movie? I feel like I didn't. 675 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,880 The pressure is, I feel like how you see it, because I feel like 676 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,680 the first movie was tremendous amount of pressure too, right, 677 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,440 In a way. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. 678 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,920 Yeah. But I just thought because 679 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,240 people are so love this movie and they're waiting for the next 680 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,200 one. Do you feel? 681 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,520 I don't know. Do you feel more prefer you? 682 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,800 I shouldn't put. I don't wanna say that. 683 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,400 No, not at all. You. 684 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,160 Don't know what you mean, but I think it's like to me, I'm like, 685 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,320 in a way, no, because it has to be good anytime. 686 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,320 Like, I don't think you walk into, you're not gonna walk into 687 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,840 your next movie being like, well, it's not my second one, so 688 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,080 I'm chill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 689 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,320 Like it's always, it's always you're. 690 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,600 Always as good as the thing that you just made. 691 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,480 Right. It should be always, you always 692 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,400 want to make something that you don't want to put energy into, 693 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,600 something that you don't feel is the best version of it. 694 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,360 Yeah. Exactly. 695 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,880 So I don't. So in a way, like I don't think 696 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,880 it's any more of a pressure just because in a way I feel like 697 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,160 it's less because at least people know that you know what I 698 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,640 did. Yeah, you know how to do it. 699 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,520 At least you know to yourself for yourself, too. 700 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,360 Exactly. Yeah, I just remember after my 701 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,360 first home, Virgin Suicides, like doing these young director 702 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,640 things, and there was another director who had made it her 703 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,800 first film. And I was like, I don't, I don't 704 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,280 know what I'm going to do next. I don't know what I'm doing. 705 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,920 And like, do you? And she was like, oh, yeah, I 706 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,520 know it all, what I'm doing. I was like, OK, like, I don't 707 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,400 know. I feel like I have to wander 708 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,680 after each thing and just sort of feel like the other one has 709 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,600 to sink in before I know where I'm going next. 710 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,680 Right. I mean, but, but then your 711 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,240 second movie is lost in translation. 712 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,280 You know what I mean? Yeah, isn't it? 713 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,680 Yes, this is. Yeah, yeah. 714 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,440 But I was so like did not know what. 715 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,360 But I always had little inklings of wanting to do something from 716 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,720 my experiences there so. I mean, I've always I feel like 717 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,320 my answer my like my kind of answer when someone asked me 718 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,200 about the stress around the second film. 719 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,200 I'm always just like, there's so many film makers who whose 720 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,400 second films are amazing and I hope to be one of them. 721 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,800 Yeah, and I think about you, you know what I mean? 722 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,040 Because yeah, yeah, cuz I'm I'm like, what are you talking 723 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,000 about? Sofia's nobody like the whatever 724 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,680 the second film slump or. Whatever. 725 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,800 Yeah, I'm just like. You know who didn't have one 726 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,440 yourself or more Islam? You know who didn't have one? 727 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,440 Sofia Coppola. So thank. 728 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,200 You. I'm glad I could be it. 729 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,600 But I remember like that moment of like, now, now I'm doing 730 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,160 this. I fought so hard to make my 731 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,920 first movie and then it was like, Oh no, I can do this now 732 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,840 What? Yeah, but well, I'm glad. 733 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,280 Well, I'm excited to me to see your next one. 734 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,080 I. Can't wait to show you the next 735 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,440 one. I can't wait to make it, you 736 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:04,960 know? Yeah. 737 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,720 I do think that's yeah, no, it's fun when you have your team and 738 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000 do you want to keep working? Well, we shouldn't stay with the 739 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,640 same people because. But yeah, now you know, I find 740 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,600 that exciting when you have, I love it people that you have 741 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,560 your team. Yeah, I feel like it's like, 742 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,080 yeah, I think that I want my department head, so you know 743 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,400 what I mean? Like, it's like you just meet 744 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,840 them and then you have an amazing experience working with 745 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,160 them, and then you do it again. Yeah, I just want to do it 746 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:30,960 again. Yeah. 747 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,280 Do you get itch? Do you feel the itch to go back? 748 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,640 Yeah, it's funny cuz at the end I'm like, I'm never wanna do 749 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,240 this again. And my husband's like you say 750 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,400 that every time. I'm never doing this again. 751 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,600 So now I'm like thinking like I wanna try to not rush into 752 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,520 something else to kinda catch up on life when you because you put 753 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,320 it all aside. But then I get excited about 754 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,240 like certain actors. I'm like, oh, I would love to do 755 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,400 something with them. Like Kirsten, I always want to 756 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,720 find something we can do together. 757 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,000 But she's so amazing. Yeah, yeah. 758 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,320 So, so that part like motivates me and like I'm like my great AD 759 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,680 that I love in Toronto that I was telling you, like, Oh my, I 760 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,080 have such. I had such a great team on 761 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,640 Priscilla that I and I loved working in Toronto. 762 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,920 So I feel like, oh, there's this whole set up. 763 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,240 I never, I never used a built sets on stages before. 764 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,800 So that like inspired me now that like you could do anything. 765 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,240 And yeah, so it's always exciting. 766 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,760 And I feel like it sounds not glamorous, but then when I every 767 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,280 time I walked into the cuz we had built sets for past lives. 768 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,000 Really. Yeah, the dorm room. 769 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,720 Yeah, it looks so natural. So yeah, yeah, it's. 770 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,480 Amazing teams, you know the dorm room and the Hessong's room 771 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,480 where they do Skype together cuz we needed to figure out how to 772 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,760 do a live Skype acting. So you're doing at the same. 773 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,880 Time. So we're doing at the same time. 774 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,480 So smart. So don't you also for the the 775 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,200 state, the tax thing that you have to do like certain 776 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,000 percentage on stage? Yeah, yeah. 777 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,080 Did you shoot in New York? Shoot. 778 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:55,760 Shot in New York. Yeah. 779 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,360 Shot in New York for 25 days, and then we shot in Korea for 10 780 00:33:59,360 --> 00:33:59,840 days. Wow. 781 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and in Korea, the set is 782 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,560 even cheaper and faster, you know, so we had, so we had some 783 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,840 set there. We had a filter set there and 784 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,760 built the set in New York. And I remember being like, man, 785 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,560 shooting on set. What even is that? 786 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,239 And then you go in and you're just like, you can move walls. 787 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,280 I know, put camera wherever you want. 788 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,199 And then I kind of, yeah. And you can control everything. 789 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,600 Yeah, I know. It's such a different. 790 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,320 I always thought like, oh, it has to be in a real place to 791 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,440 feel real. Yeah. 792 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,320 But then once you do that, it's like, yeah, you could do 793 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,400 anything. How do you Do you go to Korea 794 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,760 often or have you not been back for a? 795 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,719 Long time. I hadn't big. 796 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,880 I've been back since like 2015. Yeah, yeah, I went back. 797 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,040 I went back to visit my family there, but then I hadn't been. 798 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,199 And then, but also this is the first time I went to Korea to 799 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,159 work. So it's the first time I like 800 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:50,880 met people in Phil, met people who like work and do things and 801 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,960 that's so cool. I don't know. 802 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,560 It was really cool. You never been. 803 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,000 No. No, you've never been. 804 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,280 No. I really want to go. 805 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:56,800 You have to go. Yeah. 806 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,240 I want to go to Seoul. Am I proud? 807 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,360 Yeah, I think you should go to Seoul and I think you should go 808 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,840 to Busan if you want to go to Jeju too. 809 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,240 Like I feel like this little island, it's kind of where you 810 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,720 go for honeymoon. It's like Hawaii of and it's 811 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,560 really you just have to, I think it, I think you'll, I feel 812 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,800 really like happy and inspired. There. 813 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,080 Cool. That's great. 814 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:19,600 Yeah. OK. 815 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,480 Yeah, your list before it. I go. 816 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,760 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. 817 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,200 I mean I feel like everyone always asks me like which part 818 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,880 of the process you like the best to edit? 819 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,520 What's your favorite? What's your favorite? 820 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,640 It's hard to say cuz they all I think writing the least except 821 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,960 for like when you hit print and you finish a draft then that's 822 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,280 the best. But I think writing is kind of 823 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,200 lonely. Yeah, but I love editing. 824 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,960 I love editing because you have all your stuff and playing 825 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,520 together, but it's fun to be on set up too. 826 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,840 But I think editing, you don't have the the pressure of the 827 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,760 time pressure. You can just play around. 828 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,920 Well, yeah, I mean the my my line producer asked me the 829 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,960 question. Fuck Mary Kill pre production, 830 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,840 production post production Yeah. And my. 831 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,920 No, no. So it's like a you. 832 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,720 You tell them which you would fuck and which you would. 833 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,800 Marry and which you would kill. OK, OK. 834 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,880 But the I thought it was up. To date, no, no, the options are 835 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,400 prep production and post production. 836 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,720 And for me, I would fuck production because it's like so 837 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,320 exciting, right? And then you have a limited 838 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,160 time, but there's so much that can happen. 839 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,840 It's unpredictable. It's a lot of energy from like 840 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,600 the hundreds of people. You don't know what you're going 841 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,360 to get really ups and downs. And then it's just like, it's 842 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,360 all like everybody's like passionate and like we're trying 843 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,640 to figure it out. We're going to do the. 844 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,120 First day. Post production, I would marry. 845 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,760 It's day in and day out. It's like partnership, you know, 846 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,400 and you feel connected to it. And then every day it gets 847 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,640 better, right? And hopefully. 848 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,840 And then sometimes some days it doesn't and then you're grumpy 849 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,640 but and you're annoyed, but also you do it again and it's. 850 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:01,800 Amazing. Yeah, right. 851 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,040 And then you build on something, you build a life. 852 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,920 Yeah. And pre production I would kill. 853 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,400 Yeah. Mostly because it makes me feel 854 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,240 like stressful. I stressful also. 855 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,640 Like, I think it was especially hard because my first film 856 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,640 because I'm being asked to make these massive binary decisions. 857 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,920 And you've never seen it before. And I'm like, oh wow, that's 858 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,920 going to cost about how much, $200,000, Yeah. 859 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,160 And I have to make a decision to spend that $200,000 right now. 860 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,880 Before you've seen anything. Yeah, you're seeing. 861 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,760 Anything. I don't have even a centimetre 862 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,360 of film. Yeah, right. 863 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,040 But I'm saying like, yeah, let's do it. 864 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,240 It's beautiful. It's gonna be beautiful. 865 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:41,720 Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. That's. 866 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,360 True. I always feel like in prep, I'm 867 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,000 like let's just get started already. 868 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,080 Like it feels like it takes forever, like it's just a 869 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,840 million scheduled meetings. I'm like, let's just do it. 870 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,040 Well, we. Need it though I really think 871 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,520 prep is so. It's like doing homework or 872 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,880 like, yeah, let's just get to it. 873 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,360 But the visual part is fun. Like I love the art department 874 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,600 and the costumes, but the scheduling? 875 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,360 Not so fun. Scheduling not so fun, but also 876 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,040 like, I don't know, I think sometimes I can imagine take get 877 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,200 my, you know, Virgo or organizer. 878 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:11,440 Oh, yeah, like how you're going to do it. 879 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,440 That is fun when you figure out like, we'll do this there. 880 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,200 And yeah, I'm. Like, well, what if we put this 881 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,520 over here? Yeah. 882 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,880 You know, like, that can feel kind of fun, but. 883 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,360 But I don't like the part of, like, not knowing what the 884 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,680 movie's gonna be, but everybody's looking at you to 885 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,760 believe in it because. Yeah, Yeah, right. 886 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,800 Because, you know, like being a director is like you're, you're 887 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,040 the center of the. Captain of the ship. 888 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,080 Captain. Of the ship. 889 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,320 So you need to be like, we know where the, we know where we're 890 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,760 going. But I do feel like sometimes 891 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,720 will be like. I'm not sure I need a second to 892 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,560 think about it, which I think is good to know that you can do 893 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,040 that. You don't always have to pretend 894 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,960 like I remember my dad saying that like even he it's like, 895 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,320 wait, I'm not sure I need to think about it. 896 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,160 And I was like, well, if he can say that you don't have to 897 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,560 always pretend like everyone's looking at you. 898 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,080 You don't have to pretend like you know what you're doing all 899 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,840 the time. Like of course, or like us, you 900 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,720 know, like you can think it. You can take a second to think 901 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,840 about it and figure it out. Well, I feel there's such power 902 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,360 in saying like, well, I don't know yet. 903 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,960 Yeah, yeah, it's true. It takes more, takes more 904 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,040 strength. I actually need some help 905 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,320 figuring it out. Yeah, it's so powerful. 906 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,720 Actually, it's true, yeah. Because people want to help, 907 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,400 people want to be part of it, you know? 908 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,200 I think that helps, not being like a macho guy. 909 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,680 I bet you're OK to be like, I don't know, I need help, but 910 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:19,320 yeah. Oh yeah. 911 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,520 I mean, that was such a such a magical thing. 912 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,240 Just wanna just wanna help you. Just wanna help this you. 913 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,720 Know a lot of people around helping you. 914 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:27,240 Confused. You know, help me. 915 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,880 Yeah, sorry. Everyone helping you. 916 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,320 It's great. I know. 917 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,200 No, I was thinking, I want to ask you sometime. 918 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,320 We're not filming that. I have an idea for a play, but I 919 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,240 don't, I don't. I just have a concept. 920 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:38,840 I have a setting, but I don't know. 921 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,800 I haven't. Would have no idea. 922 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,760 Yeah, the rest of it. So the audience is like the 923 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,600 screen and it's a family and all the dynamics between the family. 924 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,800 Yeah, this movie is a short one act play, but yeah, I don't know 925 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,360 how to. I love that. 926 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,000 Well, actually, you already know. 927 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,280 You already know how it is. It's just more like. 928 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,480 Who? The characters. 929 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,000 Are yeah, like. The and I think I love when the 930 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,120 dynamics are it's like under the surface and you're saying one 931 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,520 thing but meaning another thing, which I guess you just have to 932 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,120 feel your way through that's. Well, I feel like it's about 933 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,640 like probably about what's away from the room. 934 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,280 Oh, right, What's happening in? Before and after, yeah. 935 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,040 I mean, just like it's in another room, because I feel 936 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,200 like like that's very Chekhovian to me what you're describing cuz 937 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,520 right, Cuz I mean like death and shootings happen outside of the. 938 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,600 Right. What I would say A-frame, which 939 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,080 is the stage, yeah, right. Like outside of it is where all 940 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,440 that all that. So think about what's happening 941 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,000 outside of yeah. And then you can you can conceal 942 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,160 and reveal so. People can come in and. 943 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,360 Easily. Yeah, that's. 944 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,000 Really helpful. I think I never thought about 945 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,440 it. I there's one like a just like 946 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,560 yeah, dynamics with like certain pairs have issues with certain 947 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,560 ones, but yeah, that that real drama is happening outside of. 948 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,520 The well, yeah, I mean, some of the drama can happen there. 949 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,760 And then there's such power and somebody walking into the stage, 950 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,880 which is of course the frame, if you got to think about that as a 951 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,120 frame and you can only put a camera in one place. 952 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,480 Right, that's what what's happening. 953 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,960 That's the whole frame, Yeah. So same logic and and just an 954 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,040 actor entering into that space is so much more powerful than. 955 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,440 Because you're like, yeah, Oh yeah. 956 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,080 It's. So amazing. 957 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,000 Everybody's just like and The thing is it's like, you know, 958 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,560 the close up or the focus is happening through blocking. 959 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:23,880 Yeah, right. Just. 960 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,800 The person stepping, no one's moving. 961 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,320 And one person stepping forward, yeah, that's equivalent of a 962 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,000 close up. Oh yeah, and when I was when I 963 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000 was doing the stage, I was like, what do you do without a close 964 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,360 up? Because I know a different. 965 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,840 Thing Oh. That's so interesting. 966 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,720 Or they can be like, you can step into the light. 967 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,400 There's so many ways that you can do the close up, they can do 968 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,520 the blocking, and that's cool, Yeah. 969 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:44,800 I don't want to think about that. 970 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,400 Did you see that play Stereophonic? 971 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,360 No, it was. I saw it at Playwrights Horizon. 972 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,160 Cool. But did you see it this season? 973 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,440 Yeah. But it's it just. 974 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,440 It just closed, but there. It's coming to Broadway in 975 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,960 March. You should go see that. 976 00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,920 Yeah. I loved it. 977 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,200 My husband's a musician. And it all takes place in a 978 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,320 recording studio. Yeah. 979 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,360 That's cool. Okay, I'm gonna. 980 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,520 Go use what's happening in the room and then behind the glass. 981 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,720 And it's based on Fleetwood Mac making rumors. 982 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,800 But the way the sound is, I thought it was really cool. 983 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,200 I love that these are singing. Yeah, yeah. 984 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,840 And their voices are incredible. And it sounds really corny 985 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,080 because it's, it's like fake version of 70s Fleetwood Mac 986 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,640 style music. So it sounds like it'd be awful, 987 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,360 but the music's really good. I'm sure it is. 988 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,480 Yeah. Yeah, it was really. 989 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,160 I thought it was. Really. 990 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,200 OK, I'm gonna see it. I don't see that much to do, but 991 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,080 I'd love how they use the space and. 992 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,280 Yeah, it's really. Cool. 993 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,480 Well, I feel like just. I think that's the thing about 994 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,360 blocking, Like blocking. Blocking has to do all the 995 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,520 storytelling. Yeah. 996 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,080 And dialogue. Yeah, and this, the fact that 997 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,920 they had the glass partition, so you can't hear, you can turn the 998 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,600 sound off and on in the different places. 999 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:47,960 It was cool, but that's so helpful. 1000 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,680 I think it's true. And I think it's also like the 1001 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,040 usually the difference that I think about is like the time and 1002 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,080 space is so literal in film. Yeah. 1003 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,240 So if you want to have an old lady, then you'd cast an old 1004 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:01,800 lady, right? But in theater, you don't have 1005 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,520 to do any of that. Like a kid can show up and say, 1006 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,120 like, well, I'm 92, right? And the whole audience is going 1007 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,720 to leave it, right. Or like, you know, it can be 1008 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,600 like, you know, if you want to make a movie outside on Mars, 1009 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,320 you have to build Mars, right? Or go to Mars. 1010 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,920 But in theater, all you have to do is like, have a rock. 1011 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,720 I can sit on a couch like this, right. 1012 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,440 Exactly. Not even a rock. 1013 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,560 Like just turn the light a little red. 1014 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,280 Yeah. Right. 1015 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,840 And then just be like, so I got to Mars. 1016 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,120 Yeah, Right. And then the whole audience will 1017 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,080 come with you to the to Mars. That's. 1018 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,120 So. Cool. 1019 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,280 So that's the strength of it, I think, yeah. 1020 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:43,800 Yeah, I'm curious because it's so mysterious and unfamiliar to 1021 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,040 me, but but it's. I think you love it. 1022 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,240 This is true. Thank you. 1023 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,600 OK, I'm gonna try to. I think it's really helpful what 1024 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,600 you said about the stage. Yeah. 1025 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,840 OK, I'm gonna. These are some questions, I 1026 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,040 guess, from people. OK. 1027 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:01,480 People wrote in the first one is, is heartbreak necessary for 1028 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,000 a great love story? I think so, yeah. 1029 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,560 I would say I feel like. I mean, all the great ones have 1030 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,200 heartbreak. Yeah, because I feel like at the 1031 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,800 end of the day, love stories about, like the stories that 1032 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,600 are, I don't know, it's about the biggest drama of our lives. 1033 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,760 Yeah, and you need some obstacle or hindrance or else it would be 1034 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,960 boring. And all love stories have some 1035 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:26,280 something to overcome. I think so, because otherwise 1036 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,200 then you're like, well, what is it worthy of telling the? 1037 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,040 Story and heartbreak is just romantic and it touches you in 1038 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,600 the deepest way, I think, so I feel like it's essential. 1039 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,360 Well, heart is, you know, it's meant to be broken. 1040 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:36,640 That's how you grow. Too. 1041 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,800 Yeah, and all the love stories that I love are always have a 1042 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,600 tragic side. Did you ever read Spring Snow by 1043 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,960 Mishima? Yes, of course, yeah. 1044 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. OK. 1045 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,080 Yeah, You want it. What's a genre you'd like to 1046 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,560 pursue more? I always thought it'd be fun to 1047 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,560 do science fiction or something that I would not know how to do. 1048 00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,880 Your science fiction is so bad. OK, cool. 1049 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:05,480 What about you? I wanna do, I want to western. 1050 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,120 That'd be cool. Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be 1051 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,720 really good to get women in it. I feel like Western I I can't 1052 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,640 watch ones that are all guys cuz I get them all mixed. 1053 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:13,600 Up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1054 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,840 But I feel like it's like, but I think the position of it, like I 1055 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,200 feel like the the much of it and in the way that it gets averted 1056 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,920 is always really amazing. And also like, I like stories 1057 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,640 about like, just like bravery. Yeah, and it'd be cool. 1058 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,280 Yeah. Like American West. 1059 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,200 It's such a, of course, tradition. 1060 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,120 Well, it's like it's a like to see your Western. 1061 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,760 It's also about like fame Western. 1062 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,400 I feel like Westerns are. Not same. 1063 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,000 Yeah, notoriety, right? Yeah, I. 1064 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,760 Think it's really interesting. No, that's cool. 1065 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,920 I would love to see your western. 1066 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,920 OK. Want to see your sci-fi SO? 1067 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,280 Where is your favorite spot to write? 1068 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:52,120 It really is wherever I can. Like it truly is like wherever I 1069 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,720 can. I don't have a favorite spot. 1070 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,880 I think I like it. I like the plane. 1071 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,080 Oh, yeah, Because that's pretty good. 1072 00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,240 Yeah, I do too. That's a good answer. 1073 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,080 What about you? No, I agree about the plane. 1074 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,520 And also I think the lack of oxygen makes you feel like what 1075 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,760 you're writing is more exciting than it probably is. 1076 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,560 Just like watching movies on the plane or like. 1077 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,480 Yeah, Yeah, I think that's a good. 1078 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,880 All right, if you had to watch one movie scene every day for 1079 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,080 the rest of your life, what would it be? 1080 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,880 Oh, that's really hard 1 Scene 1. 1081 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,440 Scene I don't. Know do you have one? 1082 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,680 I'm thinking. I know I have a favorite scene 1083 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,000 that I revisit a lot, which is in Barry Lyndon, there's a scene 1084 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,760 where Marissa Berenson has like a fur hood on and he's smoking a 1085 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,360 cigar and she's blowing the smoke all over her and she's 1086 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,320 really annoyed and he has no perception of her all like it 1087 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,440 says so much in this one scene. So it's a scene that I revisit a 1088 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,800 lot. And I looked at for when I was 1089 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,920 shooting a scene with Elvis and Priscilla in the limousine and 1090 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,120 they're like disconnected. But it's, it's so, so much and 1091 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,960 there's they don't say anything and it's just, yes, that's one 1092 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,040 of my favorite scenes. You have a scene that you 1093 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,320 revisit from time to time. That you like, You know, I think 1094 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:08,040 that there must be a scene in like, like a Miyazaki film. 1095 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,240 Oh, do you know what I mean? Like, I bet the that amazing 1096 00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:14,920 scene and house Moving Castle where it's like just as 1097 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,120 beautiful feel beyond the door. Yeah, we were just like sitting 1098 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,960 there and just live there. I'm like, well, that feels like 1099 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,240 heaven to me. Yeah. 1100 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,480 So if I had to live, I have to. Live with the scene over and 1101 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,400 over. Yeah, over and over. 1102 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,960 And I'll just sit there and I'll just be like, it's like at a 1103 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,600 spa, you know? It's amazing. 1104 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,240 Did you watch the document? There's one documentary I saw of 1105 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:33,480 him. Yeah, that was. 1106 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,320 So good. He's so dour. 1107 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,920 Yeah. He's like, I'm sick of this. 1108 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,040 And I'm like, me too. Yeah. 1109 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:41,840 And your movies are like a dream. 1110 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,760 Yeah, I'm. Bad. 1111 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,880 It was good. OK, this one says how do you 1112 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,760 call action on your set if you do so like I. 1113 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,960 Usually ask ask my AAD to do it. Yeah, that's. 1114 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,840 You that's so funny because there was always like a thing 1115 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,320 where like you have to say it yourself. 1116 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,440 But I, yeah, I don't mind when we're at a big loud thing for my 1117 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,600 AD to say it. He's a small, quiet area. 1118 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,240 I usually give the AD the go go ahead cuz he's the one who's 1119 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,240 checking if everything's speeding and everything. 1120 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,880 Yeah, so he knows when to when to start. 1121 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,160 Yeah, and don't say it the wrong, I've done it the wrong 1122 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:13,800 time. Just like. 1123 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:14,520 Exciting too. Yeah. 1124 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,840 I'm like, we're not ready and I'm saying it. 1125 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,600 And I'm just like, well, he knows when we're ready. 1126 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,880 Yeah. So he should just say when he 1127 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,400 can. Yeah. 1128 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,840 Yeah, dude, you don't. You don't mind, I think. 1129 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:26,320 My dad always said like you know you have to say actions, they 1130 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,960 know that you're the boss and like say it loud and stuff. 1131 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,000 So I'm in the habit of saying it, but I but I I'm happy for 1132 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,680 the AD 2 if we're outside and it's loud. 1133 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,200 Totally. Well, I feel like I know. 1134 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,120 You know? They know I'm the boss. 1135 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,840 Yeah. You know what I mean? 1136 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,760 I'm like, yeah, I don't need to tell them, you know? 1137 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:43,720 They know. Yeah, you know. 1138 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,920 Yeah, I guess I do out of habit, but. 1139 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,360 Totally. Just for you specifically. 1140 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,360 OK. Would you ever consider 1141 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,560 directing a horror movie? Oh, yeah, I would. 1142 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,520 But. But yeah, I don't, I haven't 1143 00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,720 thought about it. But when we were when I was a 1144 00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:02,720 kid, we would make like little video movies and we made horror 1145 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:05,080 movies because it was just fun to like get blood, blood out. 1146 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,200 And like we lived in an old Victorian house. 1147 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,000 So it felt very conducive to horror movies. 1148 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,680 But I mean, I don't really like gore, but. 1149 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:16,320 I mean, I, I wrote a horror script, but I would get so 1150 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,760 spooked by my own because you have to be so scary. 1151 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,560 But it has to be scary to me, right? 1152 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,360 So I don't know if it's scary to anybody else, but it's really 1153 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,000 scary to me. What's the premise? 1154 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,200 Can you say? Are you going to tell me after? 1155 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:28,920 So it's a top. Secret. 1156 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,240 It's just, no, it's not a top secret. 1157 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,560 I probably will never make it because I'll be too scared. 1158 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,280 To make I want to see it. I don't like super. 1159 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,560 Scary. I don't like what's. 1160 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,840 The setting. It's like it's truly like it's 1161 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,360 not even wild. It's a good it's a totally 1162 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,680 conventional like snowy cabin thing, but like this cabin is 1163 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,320 like fucked up, you know, and that's it and it's. 1164 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,240 Scary. Something can happen. 1165 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,720 It's just so scary. It's like being like, it's like 1166 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,000 going there and then like this person acting like they know 1167 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,760 you. And then you realize that like, 1168 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,800 yeah, I guess you're my cousin. And you just kind of buy it. 1169 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,040 And then eventually you oh, and then you're stuck with them. 1170 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,520 And then you just realize, I don't think this is my cousin. 1171 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,880 To me, that's the scariest thing. 1172 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,680 I used to be scared of the body snatchers. 1173 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,000 I remember like telling my brother when I was little, like, 1174 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,840 let's have a code word so if you're snatched, like, I'll know 1175 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,960 it's really you. But that body snatcher is really 1176 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,960 scary. It's really scary, like Doppler, 1177 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,200 like, yeah, yeah, like really the. 1178 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,000 It's like the person. Closest to you taking over? 1179 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,040 Yeah. Like, like there's a really 1180 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,000 scary, like a like when my child in one of the scariest stories 1181 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,600 that I heard in Korea, which is like, it's like, like your mom 1182 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,720 starts laughing and then your mom goes like, do I look like 1183 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:40,280 your mom? Oh. 1184 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,200 Yeah, that's so. Scary like, and I was too young 1185 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,320 and I was like, this is the scariest thing. 1186 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,400 Yeah, that is anyway. But that is what movie makes you 1187 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:55,280 cry. Every time there was a time 1188 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,440 where I don't know about, I don't know why, but big fish. 1189 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,440 What you saw that it's. A Tim Burton film. 1190 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,520 Oh yeah, no, I never saw that with. 1191 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,040 That you, McGregor. Yeah. 1192 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,040 For some reason the ending of that I think that would just 1193 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,400 kill me. I never saw that movie, but I 1194 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,040 know what Yeah, I. Think you just. 1195 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,520 I think you see. But it's about, I don't know. 1196 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,840 I think that it's like, I don't know. 1197 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:24,800 I feel like weirdly, children could never make me cry, but old 1198 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,960 people could. Yeah, older people could. 1199 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,360 Yeah, yeah. What about you? 1200 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:33,200 I don't know, I feel like on a plane any movie will make me cry 1201 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,680 but. The Transformers are crying. 1202 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,400 Yeah, I know. Anything I know I should I feel 1203 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,760 like I'm trying to think I saw Oh I know it's really 1204 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,960 embarrassing with my my kids love that movie. 1205 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,200 It's called an instant family about like it's like a ROM com 1206 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,680 but they adopt some foster children and then like, yeah, 1207 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,400 embarrassing playing at the end, but. 1208 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,920 Family just is like, you know, it's one of those things that. 1209 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,520 You're just like Terms of endurement is the classic if you 1210 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,840 want to cry. Of course, who doesn't cry at 1211 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,080 that? You know the performance. 1212 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,800 Too. Yeah. 1213 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,120 Favorite film camera to use? I only used one. 1214 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,640 Yeah, it's like, you know, so. It was digital I. 1215 00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:16,240 Meant no no, it was odd 35mm. Film. 1216 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:17,720 That's why it looked. Panavision. 1217 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:20,000 Yeah, that's cool. And you shot digital? 1218 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,320 I usually should. I always love film, but of 1219 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,440 course a little shot digitally. So I, I have a new found. 1220 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,480 I was like, wow, you made it look beautiful. 1221 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,080 We were, I always like to shoot film if I can, but we were in 1222 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,360 such a hurry. So yeah, I was impressed that it 1223 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,400 doesn't have that creepy digital feeling. 1224 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,560 That something it felt I thought I was. 1225 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,520 I was so sure he was shot on film. 1226 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:42,680 Your film. Thank you. 1227 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,920 I just and I think film has a different quality to it, but 1228 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,920 that's the magic of Philippe Blissor, my DP. 1229 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,120 Like he, he, he yeah, I think it just depends if because a lot of 1230 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,600 times it has like a digital look, but I don't know how how 1231 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,200 he. How he went away beautiful 1232 00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,200 because he really doesn't look digital at all. 1233 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,440 Not nothing, but if I like I think some stories. 1234 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,880 Sometimes I think it's too digital. 1235 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,440 Yeah, I think it's harder with period films, but I liked Zone 1236 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,040 of Interest. Felt very crisp and digital to 1237 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:09,840 me. I don't know if it was. 1238 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,760 But it was I think. But I liked but it's meant to. 1239 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,680 Be, I think, yeah. Because I feel like it depends 1240 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,360 on the I. Really it depends on the film. 1241 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,960 I think period films you want to be on film because it's in the 1242 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,880 past. The digital feels more immediate 1243 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,920 but but that one. Totally. 1244 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,440 Isn't acceptable. Yeah, so because. 1245 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,360 That's what it was. I mean, I feel like we the part 1246 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:34,320 of the shooting it on film was very much like, well, what do I 1247 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,600 know? You know, never made a movie 1248 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,560 before, but my DP was talking to me about my about film and I 1249 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:40,880 think that it was a couple things. 1250 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,160 I was like, well, I want my DP to have a process that he 1251 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,320 believes in. Yeah, right. 1252 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,280 Like every day. It's about the look of the whole 1253 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:47,560 film. He. 1254 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,760 Wanted to shoot on film, yeah. He wanted to shoot on film and 1255 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,480 and we were both talking so well. 1256 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,080 As long as we don't like destroy the budget, like we'll do it and 1257 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,360 we fall for it. It's so different. 1258 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,040 But also on top of that, I feel like the thing that I felt was 1259 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,920 like, well, it speaks to the philosophy of the movie, which 1260 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,960 is that like it is about like the ephemeral or time tangible, 1261 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,880 right? And there's a part of it where 1262 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,040 it's like the chemistry of it or, or the, yeah, this. 1263 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,120 Little mystery, yeah. Yeah, which I think is like or 1264 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,480 uncertainty. You don't know how it's going to 1265 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:21,480 turn out. Yeah, right. 1266 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,520 That it spoke to what the movie is. 1267 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,160 I think that's how it should. Be yeah, I think, I think it I 1268 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,040 think the story depends on what and yeah, I don't know what the 1269 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,600 favorite camera usually. Yeah, it's what the DP wants to 1270 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,560 use. And I like, I always work with 1271 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,400 people that I love and respect. And you want them to guide? 1272 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:39,720 Yeah, how they think totally best. 1273 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,680 Well, I feel like it's like my DP should be things and I was 1274 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,440 like, I like that, Yeah, you know. 1275 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,040 What album do you have on repeat right now? 1276 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,800 What album do I feel like I've been listening to? 1277 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,720 The Mitski's new album Who? Mitski I. 1278 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:55,880 Don't know who that is. I. 1279 00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:00,120 Think you'll like it? Mitski has the new album and I 1280 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,640 listen to that on repeat. I listen to Hozier this new 1281 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,720 album on repeat like. I listen to. 1282 00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:06,800 I don't think I know anything new. 1283 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,680 What do you? Listen to. 1284 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,440 I don't know what you're listening to. 1285 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,760 No. This morning I was listening to 1286 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,040 Chet Baker. Let's Get lost, because it's 1287 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,600 winter and we're home and it doesn't make sense. 1288 00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:18,320 So morning. Yeah, also. 1289 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,160 But yeah, I don't have one that I'm over and over listening to. 1290 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:23,600 Yeah. Well, I feel like when like a 1291 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,440 new album comes out and I like the whole album, I just like to 1292 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,760 listen to it. I like the I feel like my kids 1293 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,440 don't listen to albums, they just listen to playlist some 1294 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,160 different songs. But I like like listening to a 1295 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,120 whole album. Me too, getting into the whole 1296 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,760 well. Depends on the musician. 1297 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,040 Because I saw musicians. I'm like, I feel like this whole 1298 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,760 album, all the songs are similar idea. 1299 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,200 Yeah. But then when there is like a 1300 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:48,320 bit of storytelling or there's like a clearly like ebb and flow 1301 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,040 and like, you want this beat to come home. 1302 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,360 Yeah, it's a whole thing. You listen to the. 1303 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,160 Whole thing yeah I know your husband is a musician like does 1304 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,880 does he recommend or is it kind of a thing where it's like 1305 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,800 intentionally it means it's like he recommends less you know what 1306 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,880 I. Mean Oh no, I feel like, I feel 1307 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,680 bags. I'm always like asking to put 1308 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,040 music on like, so it's like living with the music supervisor 1309 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,080 all the time. Like like for this occasion, 1310 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,920 like we make a playlist for cocktail party or whatever. 1311 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,240 So it's yeah, it's fun because I love music. 1312 00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:21,800 So it's fun to be with someone that knows a lot about music and 1313 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,840 has good taste. I like their taste. 1314 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,960 Yeah, I feel like and. Helps me with my soundtracks and 1315 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,720 yeah. That's amazing though. 1316 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,480 What? Did you prefer? 1317 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,200 I can't remember the music? Did you have a score? 1318 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,800 I did Chris Bear and Dan Rossen from Grizzly Bear. 1319 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,320 They scored it. Did you just like their music 1320 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,760 and asked them to do? It I love their music, but I 1321 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,320 feel like it was also the conversation that I had with 1322 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,120 them because of course one level I'm like, you know, like, you 1323 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,400 know, I'm 35. I'm like, genuinely like, 1324 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,200 they're like gods to me, right? Grizzly bears, just like, that's 1325 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,600 my, they're the 1. So it was on one level I was 1326 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,280 just like, fangirling. Yeah. 1327 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,720 But on the other level, I also was like having to really have a 1328 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:08,200 conversation because of course you're like, well, do they wanna 1329 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,600 be a part of a process where they're not crafting an album? 1330 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,160 Right, Right. It's exciting to them, I. 1331 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,000 Think it was. But just you have to tell them 1332 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,040 if you don't like something. Was that? 1333 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was, I mean, you know, 1334 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,440 because again, you know, everybody knows I'm the boss. 1335 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,640 You know, I have to be like, sadly, I'm the boss. 1336 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,280 And I and I, it's not an album. It's a movie. 1337 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,360 Yeah. And I have. 1338 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,320 We have to work on it together, Yeah. 1339 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,600 I remember I liked the music, but I can't remember. 1340 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,240 Yeah, outside of that, which is good. 1341 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,720 I think that it supported the story. 1342 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:39,920 Of course. Well, I think that's what I you 1343 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,200 really want them more than anything. 1344 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,440 And you? Don't want it to be like you 1345 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,360 want to be thinking about it. No, and also you don't want it 1346 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,640 to, you don't want it to lead the audience. 1347 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,440 Yeah, I hate when scores are like really dramatic, telling 1348 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,880 you how to feel. It really bugs. 1349 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,920 Me, because my thing is like, then I think that the audience 1350 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,600 shuts down because I as an audience member shut down. 1351 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,800 Yeah, I mean, stop telling me what I'm supposed to be. 1352 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,120 I know. And I think so. 1353 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,440 I feel like it's like you kind of want the emotion to get 1354 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,320 there, arrive, and then you want the music to start. 1355 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,040 Yeah, right. Kind of support that to. 1356 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,320 Support that to fully let them give them permission. 1357 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,840 Yeah, but I don't think that it's a thing where it's like if 1358 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:18,320 music it's literally a timing of like is it 6 more frames or 1359 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,800 later or earlier right. And you're like. 1360 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:21,960 It makes a big difference. Makes a. 1361 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,240 Huge difference and the and I think if you give audience room 1362 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,480 to feel it for themselves and then you give them permission 1363 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,760 with score as opposed to like time to cry. 1364 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:33,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. 1365 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,320 I like when it has a goosebump. I like when it has a goosebump 1366 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,240 effect, which is usually like after yes or something. 1367 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,560 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah, I know. 1368 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,320 I hate when it's I. Know, and I'm so sensitive to 1369 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,080 it, yeah. So like, yeah. 1370 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,080 I wanna ask you something off camera after about that, about a 1371 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,320 movie. I can cut it. 1372 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,200 Out totally the did you how did you enjoy the sound design 1373 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,920 process cuz I found. It how did you find it? 1374 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:07,280 Cuz I actually found it so intense for me. 1375 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,360 Like I was really obsessive. That's the only part where I 1376 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,440 think, yeah. Yeah, I guess. 1377 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,320 I don't know. I've just always, I've always 1378 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,920 loved that part because it's like all of a sudden it becomes 1379 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,040 a movie. Like it wasn't, it was a mess 1380 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,680 and it just makes such a huge difference. 1381 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,680 I think I luckily have a family friend who's like an uncle who 1382 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,160 helped me with my first short film and then I always worked 1383 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,880 with him, but he retired recently. 1384 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:30,960 So it's the first time without him. 1385 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,360 And I was like, oh, no, I can't. Like so I don't think about just 1386 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,160 trust him so much, but I don't know. 1387 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,480 I learned so much that Richard Bags was a legendary sound guy. 1388 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,800 I remember on Virgin Suicides, he there's a scene where the 1389 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,400 priest comes to visit them and he gave him a squeaky shoe when 1390 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,920 he walks up the the stairs. All these details that now, like 1391 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,680 I think about all the details you can add with the sound. 1392 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,480 And yeah, I love that process, but it's still mysterious to me 1393 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,880 because it's not visual, but it's a little abstract. 1394 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,560 But I just think even like on Priscilla, like it was like when 1395 01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,680 the sound doesn't happen, then like all of a sudden the movie 1396 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,120 came together and it felt like a movie where before it was just 1397 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,920 like a bunch of scenes stuck together. 1398 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,680 And it's really as a huge. Music as well. 1399 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,400 I mean my director's cut. I feel like I spend more time 1400 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,000 even the director's cut before we do any of the sound. 1401 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,120 Yeah. I feel like I'm so obsessive 1402 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,280 about sound then temp, Like I feel like I get obsessed with 1403 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:25,720 temp. Yeah. 1404 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,440 Because I'm like, yeah, but people have to see it. 1405 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,560 Yeah. And I don't want to sound. 1406 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,080 Yeah. Too crazy, right? 1407 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,000 Yeah. And then of course, you go. 1408 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,680 And then I feel like in the sound design, like I was, I 1409 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,720 learned. I was asking like about. 1410 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,440 I'm asking about the process because I'm like, I was in that 1411 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,960 room for like 14 hours. Yeah, every day. 1412 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,320 And you know what I mean. Yeah, it's really, Yeah. 1413 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,040 You can think of that like that when you make a movie. 1414 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,840 Yeah, I guess I, I don't know if I spend that much on them 1415 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,400 because I I kind of let them do their thing and then I review 1416 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,320 it. But but my editor, Sarah Flock, 1417 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,520 who's great, is really good with the temp sound like she's really 1418 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,440 meticulous. It makes a huge difference of 1419 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,720 all the the timing of all of that. 1420 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,880 So I think it's something. But I I love that moment when 1421 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,120 you see it with the first because it's like, it's, it's 1422 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,400 not terrible. Like it, like it somehow it 1423 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,880 totally magically comes. It's the movie. 1424 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:17,720 Yeah. It becomes a. 1425 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,080 Movie, it's really good. It's. 1426 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,440 Hard to know. What Don't you think it's hard 1427 01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,040 to know when you're done editing? 1428 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,440 Did you just run out of time and money? 1429 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,800 No, I think I, I think it is. It was like, I'm sick of your Oh 1430 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,400 yeah, you're like, it's done. To me, I was like, I could tell 1431 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,920 I'm like, I think we're good or like I think we're good after 1432 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,120 this. Yeah. 1433 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:37,520 Right after this one little thing. 1434 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,440 Yeah, but I think it's because of the way that I was a writer 1435 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,520 for the longest time, right? Yeah, cuz I mean I feel like 1436 01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,080 knowing when to. Stop. 1437 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,040 Yeah. Is like part of the job? 1438 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,520 Yeah. So it's similarly with the 1439 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,800 editing. I was like, it's very like, I 1440 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,600 know we're done after this. If I do more, we're gonna start 1441 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,760 cutting into the things that are good too. 1442 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,280 So I think that. But sound design, I think is a 1443 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,520 part where I didn't know when to stop. 1444 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,280 Yeah. My sound designer He his 1445 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:12,800 nickname for me was not Miss Dog years because I would just find 1446 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,880 it. Every detail I just. 1447 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:20,360 I just would find, I think I would just I'm driving towards a 1448 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,680 perfection there that is not going to be achieved. 1449 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,880 Yeah, right, because unless I have a million years, Yeah, 1450 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,840 right. Because also, like, I hope it's 1451 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,120 not just me, but I just think that like the sound, it's so 1452 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,320 subjective. Yeah. 1453 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,160 So the same like volume hasn't. Changed. 1454 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,240 But I listened to it the first time and I was like, it's too 1455 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,520 loud. Yeah, it's, it's weird how it's 1456 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,480 like, it's weird how you trust your your impression and it's 1457 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:50,720 it. Yeah, after a while that's 1458 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,360 scary. No, it seems these are too. 1459 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,320 Yeah. You made me scared because I was 1460 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,800 like, I thought this whole scene was so loud. 1461 01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,440 Yeah. And now that I hear it and no 1462 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,680 adjustment has been made. It sounds fun. 1463 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:02,720 It sounds different. Yeah. 1464 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,000 I feel like that's where you relate, rely on your team, team 1465 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,200 that you trust them because like, that's what they're 1466 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,920 totally focused on. So that helps. 1467 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:15,000 But yeah, it does. It is abstract and a strange 1468 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,120 part of it. It is. 1469 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,360 Well, it's also like, and I think you're right. 1470 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,120 It's like when it sounds good, like yeah, I still, all I hear 1471 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:28,120 is like imperfections, right? Yeah, but like, but I think it's 1472 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,040 like, but you have to like. There's a part of where you just 1473 01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,560 have to let. Go, yeah, it's true, there's 11 1474 01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,560 little thing. You have to tweak it or else 1475 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,240 it's going to bug you. But yeah, that is a weird part 1476 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:38,680 of it. I've blocked this all out. 1477 01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,040 I've forgotten, I forget all. I think it's like you have to 1478 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,640 forget it all or else it seems to be daunting. 1479 01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,680 Oh yeah. Like it's like going into 1480 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,080 writing a script I'd never, I forget about like all the 1481 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,560 different steps you have to go through. 1482 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,480 Yeah, you're just like, why? Yeah, I feel like a brand new, 1483 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,440 you know, I totally get it. Yeah, like you just have to 1484 01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,000 write a script and then figure out the rest later. 1485 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,360 Of course. I think it's, it's one thing to 1486 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:07,000 be naive and less experienced because it's like you don't, but 1487 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,640 we're like when you're doing it for the first time, you don't 1488 01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,960 know all the steps. And now it's like, but I think 1489 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,400 you forget it all and it's always, it's always just some 1490 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,120 kind of discovery. Well, I think that's so amazing 1491 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,760 though. So there's this word, there's 1492 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,000 this word in Korean that's Cho Shim. 1493 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:27,800 And it's like Cho is 1st and Shima's heart. 1494 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,560 So it's about first heart and they talk about it. 1495 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,640 And it's mainly the thing that people talk about in creative 1496 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:39,240 settings and it's about how you have to go back to tuition as in 1497 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:40,280 your first. Intuition. 1498 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,280 Yeah. It's like your first heart. 1499 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:43,640 So it's like it's less intuition. 1500 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,720 It's a little bit more like what you're talking about, like. 1501 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,920 Your first impression? You've forgotten. 1502 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,240 Everything. And you're kind of starting like 1503 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:52,600 with the same heart. Oh. 1504 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:53,960 Yeah, like a fresh heart, a first. 1505 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,600 Heart yeah like so you kind of every time you when you're 1506 01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,440 making your next movie or what I'm sure when you're making 1507 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,120 Priscilla it's like there's a part of it where you're holding 1508 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,160 onto the side of it that was working on virgin suicides yeah 1509 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,560 yeah right you're like they're like I don't know how I don't 1510 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,960 know how this is going to go or like the. 1511 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:10,760 Mystery, I think. Yeah. 1512 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,000 Yeah, The mystery of it. Yeah. 1513 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:14,920 That's a good word. How do you say that, Choshi? 1514 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:16,880 And it means first heart, First heart. 1515 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,240 And I think about it a lot because I feel like even when 1516 01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,640 you're asking about like, what do you think about the second 1517 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,320 film or, you know, hopefully like, like you like, you know, 1518 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,120 so many films. I think when you're there, I 1519 01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:33,120 think the feeling has to always be like, well, I have to hold on 1520 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,560 to the first part of it because you can't do you know what I 1521 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,120 mean? Because you can't just like, 1522 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:42,600 think about. I don't know. 1523 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,120 You cannot build it on the thing that you already made, because 1524 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,280 you're it's always. You're always starting over 1525 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,440 because it has to be you. You're always starting over. 1526 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,640 Yeah, I think that's what my dad's in his 80s and he's like, 1527 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,720 so excited about this movie he's working on and like, it's 1528 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:55,160 amazing. Yeah. 1529 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,080 So it's, it's, I feel like you're, yeah, you're always, 1530 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,040 you're always starting over. You're always starting. 1531 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,800 Over which makes it exciting. I think that's, but I think 1532 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,160 that's what makes you feel a lie. 1533 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,160 Yeah, you know, and also it makes your work feel alive too. 1534 01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:10,280 Definitely. Yeah. 1535 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,320 So it's not like. Same old like. 1536 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,560 The thing I've done, you know, cuz I think they'll make me so 1537 01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,040 sad if I'm ever there, if I'm 80, you know what I mean? 1538 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,960 And I'm just like, how many times have I made this movie? 1539 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,520 You know, you kind of want to be like. 1540 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,280 Look at me as Aki. Yeah, yeah, I know. 1541 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,000 It's fun. I sometimes always feel like I'm 1542 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,360 doing the same story over and over again, that you're always 1543 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,920 trying to figure something out. But I feel like doing the same 1544 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,440 story. I think that's just naturally. 1545 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:37,520 Yeah. Like, it's like a it's like, you 1546 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,600 know, like Tennessee Williams. Yeah. 1547 01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:40,800 They're all different plays. Yeah. 1548 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,200 It's all about her sister. Yeah, right. 1549 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,600 We all have our obsession. Oh, yeah, like Arthur Miller, 1550 01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,440 it's all about, I guess, Marilyn Monroe. 1551 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's all about but it's, 1552 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,280 but it's, they're all different plays, but they are, you know. 1553 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,080 Did you study playwriting? Yeah, I went to, I got an MFA, 1554 01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,120 Columbia. Yeah, I'm an MFA for playwriting 1555 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,360 at Columbia. Did you really meet your husband 1556 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,440 at a writing retreat like in the movie I? 1557 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:07,760 Figured. Edward Albee Foundation. 1558 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:09,960 Yeah, Yeah. So Edward Albee has a. 1559 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:10,960 Really. Yeah. 1560 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,240 Do have you been? No where is. 1561 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,400 It it's like it's in Montauk. Really. 1562 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:16,360 Yeah. That's so cool. 1563 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,120 It's really cool and it's like screenwriters. 1564 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,200 Go too. You can, yeah. 1565 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,880 So I. Didn't know about that, but I 1566 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:28,120 saw, I saw a play, a play of his that they redid at Horizons 1567 01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,080 with. I was like the wife kept walking 1568 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,440 in and out of the room. Yeah, it's not, it's not for 1569 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:35,120 genuine. It's not. 1570 01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,680 It's a really famous one, but it's. 1571 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,520 Three tall women, no. I've seen that right. 1572 01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:41,320 Yeah, yeah, I think it's three tall women. 1573 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,080 Yeah, no, it wasn't that one. I forgot what it was called. 1574 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,960 Anyway, I'll try to remember, but anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1575 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,200 that's it. But it's like, well, he and I 1576 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,320 knew him when he was alive and he came, he used to come to the 1577 01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,520 barn. So me and my husband, we met him 1578 01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:57,280 there. So cool. 1579 01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,080 It was really cool. Totally magical. 1580 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,680 Wow, that's so cool. And then, yeah, I feel like it's 1581 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:08,120 like it is this barn that he bought and then he just used to 1582 01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,480 just bring his friends over, like Spalding Gray was there. 1583 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,040 Like, wow, it's really. And now it's playwrights. 1584 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,040 Yeah, retreat. It's like artist retreat, and 1585 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,279 they can go if you're a painter. You can go if you're a 1586 01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:19,920 photographer. Oh wow. 1587 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,840 That's so cool, but. There are a lot of those. 1588 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,279 They've been to McDowell. No, I've never been to those, 1589 01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:31,680 but I'm going to the Rome Academy in June and and I always 1590 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,640 thought that would be fun. You and her husband go live in 1591 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,120 Rome for a year. Yeah, I've I've artist the 1592 01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,120 painter fronts that have done it. 1593 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,359 And I just thought I have a fantasy that I'll go. 1594 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,840 To you're gonna do for a year. No, I'm not doing the residency. 1595 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,960 I'm just going to, I'm going to like an event they're doing. 1596 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,920 But a friend that's a sculptor. We were like, let's both go for 1597 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,600 a year and live in Rome and make art. 1598 01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,680 But sometimes easy. You guys could do that? 1599 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,680 Yeah, yeah. You check out the Rome Academy. 1600 01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:58,319 Check it out. We'll check it out. 1601 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,680 I feel like I've been to a lot of a lot of these artist 1602 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,279 residency. So they're usually pretty. 1603 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,479 They are pretty productive, I find. 1604 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,120 Yeah, it's cool. Because you're with other people 1605 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:07,200 all making. Stuff, yeah. 1606 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,600 At dinner you meet everyone and then like. 1607 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,279 But they're different. They're not all writers. 1608 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,680 No, that's so fun. Just a composer, someone just 1609 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,439 choreographer. Like, it's kind of like a really 1610 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,439 like summer camp. It's like summer camp, Yeah. 1611 01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,399 That sounds cool. I'm gonna look into that. 1612 01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:22,760 I think you should. I have a friend that used to go 1613 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,520 to Yado. Yeah, Yado's haunted. 1614 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,160 Oh, really? Yeah, famously. 1615 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,399 Oh really? Do you know who the ghost is? 1616 01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,760 Is it like a writer? I think it's like, well, Yado is 1617 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:38,319 like how this little girl, very ghostly. 1618 01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,920 Yeah, conversation. But there's that little girl who 1619 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:46,240 was the daughter who died, and she used to call the whole place 1620 01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,600 Yatto because she's trying to say shadow. 1621 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,240 Oh. That's what's called yatto. 1622 01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:52,520 He's called like a. Yatto and this is so wild. 1623 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:57,200 I mean, but I think just like our most haunted places, it's 1624 01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:00,360 it's one of the most productive residences I've been to. 1625 01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,720 It's a funny way. Like there is a room where it's 1626 01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,880 like they're like there was a room where Chima Capote was 1627 01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,560 working on something. I feel like maybe in cold blood 1628 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,040 even. But. 1629 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:15,200 And then he, I think he was like 1000% haunted. 1630 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:16,240 Like everybody's just. Oh, really? 1631 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:17,200 Yeah. And there's a. 1632 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:18,760 It's good to write a ghost story. 1633 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,040 There it. Really is you can do. 1634 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,680 I think you. I think it's one of the most 1635 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,000 productive. That's so cool. 1636 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,320 Yeah, I think I think haunted places are really productive. 1637 01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,120 Good. To know, yeah, my, my friend who 1638 01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,240 went as a writer, she said they would just, like, leave a little 1639 01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,000 basket with your food and you just have to think about 1640 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,120 anything. I'm like, yeah, I can check. 1641 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:35,560 Yeah. It's really. 1642 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,360 Nice. But McDowell is the kind of the 1643 01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,080 I think that was the that's the best one. 1644 01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,680 Where's that? For me, it's like it's all kind 1645 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,240 of like upstate New York or, or like a state nearby New York. 1646 01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,720 Yeah. And that place I feel like my 1647 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,720 favorite part is the the food. Oh, OK. 1648 01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,240 McDowell is the. Food that's like, that's. 1649 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,520 Important because like the chefs come in residency and they just 1650 01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,080 like it's. So cool, I had never thought. 1651 01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,520 I always just like go to a hotel for when I need to finish 1652 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,560 writing something. I mean I need to. 1653 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:03,240 That's nice though. I'm. 1654 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:08,560 Like I need to, I need to apply to some like the camaraderie 1655 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:09,800 too, the. Oh, yeah. 1656 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,000 And you just meet people that you wouldn't have met. 1657 01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:12,840 Yeah. Right. 1658 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,800 Just like, like, like a painter from Texas and you're like, I 1659 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,600 would never have met you. Yeah, That's cool if it wasn't 1660 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:18,320 for this. Yeah.