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Hey, it's a 24 thanks to 
everyone who listen to episode 

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one. 
We've been reading your emails 

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and appreciate all the feedback 
for this episode. 

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You're going to hear a 
conversation between two friends

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and collaborators of ours, who 
also happened to be longtime 

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friends with each other, they 
describe themselves. 

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As the kind of people who would 
listen to an a 24 podcast, not 

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the people. 
You asked to follow the berry 

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and Greta episode. 
But if you've ever watched their

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stand-up specials or television 
show, you understand why we 

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wanted you to hear this 
conversation between comedian, 

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Jerrod Carmichael and comedian 
turned filmmaker. 

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Sure, Bo Burnham Bose, first 
film, eighth grade comes out 

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this summer, and before you 
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invited draw to a screening. 
The first thing he said was, 

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what if I hate it I'm supposed 
to tell Bo I hate his movie on 

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the 824 podcast. 
We said just see the movie and 

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we'll figure it out and we think
we did. 

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Hello. 
Well kids at NYU Gallatin you 

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for doing it. 
I'm so glad they're listening to

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this to getting ready to go out.
Go to class perhaps I don't know

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where to start. 
I want to I don't want to sound 

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like a naturally. 
We should start by saying we're 

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following up Greta and Barry 
they rehearsed episode. 

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We heard that all. 
We are the second up. 

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Damn it. 
So we go from Academy Award 

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nominees to basically two of the
varieties. 

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Tend top comics to watch 2011, 
we have fallen off an absolute 

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Cliff of prestige here, guys. 
Good beer guy. 

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We are we are not prepared. 
Yeah, we are not you will not be

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as fulfilled as you were from 
that interview, maybe exactly 

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eight. 
We're the type of people that 

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would listen to an 8 24. 
But here's the thing. 

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This is the thing that I'm not 
sure like I don't know how we 

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should sound. 
Are you like, do you want to be 

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inspired? 
I don't think we got. 

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Yeah I think episode 1 & 3 will 
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probably have. 
Who knows? 

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Your goes laughing Mouse and 
some great, you know but for 

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this I think this is for the 
people. 

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We were one of the we're we're 
of the people, we're friends? 

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Yeah, we're friends, we've known
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We're in my house. 
A mansion in the Hollywood 

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Hills, it is very lovely, 
healthy, the Griffith 

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Observatory, all, it's always 
great. 

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Yeah, it was great. 
Yeah, I get, it looks like la 

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la. 
Yeah, we're not in. 

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Imagine Hollywood Hills, we're 
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Revenue, we send somebody. 
Yeah, we're not their buddies, 

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right? 
So yeah, they're not. 

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On the door. 
Feel free to say hi. 

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We're here we're bows. 
This is a very exciting and sit 

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down and talk where I think we 
should start as that. 

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You have a new film, which I was
lucky enough to see recently, 

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that is really, really 
incredible, really incredible, 

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right? 
And now it's like an awesome 

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complete piece of work. 
I am jealous in a very real way,

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like in a like, like cold water 
and the mirror. 

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Type. 
What if they're just, like, all 

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right. 
It makes you question yourself. 

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The movie comes out in mid July.
I think it's called eighth grade

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about the movie. 
This was such the opposite 

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direction that anyone would ever
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Ya think? 
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Which makes it like that. 
I mean, it's crazy like a 13 

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year old girl. 
Is such an insane thing, right? 

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Right? 
Yeah. 

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So Focus Need to get right? 
Is, you know, why would I I say 

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yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Well it's like, these are my 

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dogs. 
That's that's moaning Bruce 

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running around barking upstairs,
they're having fun. 

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They're so they're revved up by 
the quality of conversation. 

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Very funny. 
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talked about this a lot, you 
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conversations in this house that
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I'm sure to Lexa could end 
Careers spill easily. 

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But yeah, I mean I spent a lot 
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whatever the internet or 
whatever, like the current 

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moment felt like to me and I my 
angle into it, which a lot of 

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comics like angle is, was being 
ironic and being crazy, and 

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being edgy and I kind of just 
reached the end of that and got 

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really, really tired of it. 
And I felt like, all right, I 

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want to do something new and I 
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That's scary to me and exciting,
and it really was the scariest 

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thing to me was to do something 
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and uncool, and, and emotional 
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It was a thing that was sort of 
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before but it was all sort of 
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ironic crazy stuff. 
You know, you just go direct. 

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Yeah, just just like it felt 
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Why not try to? 
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It's just It's obviously a 
really weird moment, you know. 

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Yeah, in the world. 
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And, and we obviously sort of 
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know how you talk. 
How do you talk about a moment? 

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That is already a parody of 
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Yeah. 
I mean, how do you talk about 

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something that is already so 
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How do you make fun of a culture
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make fun of the culture? 
Geico commercials make fun of, 

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you know, I mean it's just feels
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such a disruption to Art. 
It's in a really dangerous. 

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This place I I think because 
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that, you mean the culture is or
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Yeah, well, alright, but things 
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like everything from talk shows 
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it's like, you know, I always 
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right, where you just want to 
like bring a unique different 

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Talent, the next person, and 
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all bringing our product to this
world Spear and you wanted to be

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different and unique. 
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people's ability to just kind of
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When like reduce themselves. 
So like sassy. 

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Yeah, everybody's like how to 
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Like it is, it's not as creative
as I know. 

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We can be well in the sassiness,
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I mean, like, sassiness is 
running the world right now. 

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I'm just saying, who is more 
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Might be a weird word, but, but 
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almost how it sounds like it's 
not a new way in. 

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It's like for me it's it's how 
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world is insane, how do you, how
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I mean, I'm just trying to say 
Trump without saying Trump. 

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Yeah. 
But but it's like, I don't know.

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Talking I want to talk with the 
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felt like I feel like the way 
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about is sort of on the 
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You know me people talk about 
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you go viral or your naked 
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then they do a longer piece 
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That's moving at the speed of 
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Trying to deconstruct. 
Rock the internet. 

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And actually like the, the 
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actually like something more 
boring and sad and still. 

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And I'm not saying my, hopefully
not my movies, not boring. 

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But, but it's some German 
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I don't know, I can't tell the 
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and the satire of the thing 
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So I just felt like, man. 
I that sort of ironic winking 

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game is sort of dead. 
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comment on the internet, you're 
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Exactly. 
And the internet absorbs those 

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comments yet saying like if the 
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self-referential creators 
creators fear of the internet, I

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think is like really what it is.
Is like there is an inherent 

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fear, no one wants to Trend 
negatively, you know what I 

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mean? 
Like it's that that fear because

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when that dictates everything, 
that's the news now. 

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Yes. 
You know like I sound like an 83

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year old me. 
Yeah. 

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But but it dictates the news 
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news like 50% of the stories are
so on Twitter. 

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Yeah, I just raised the 
material, just like various 

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stories. 
Have commentary like Instagram 

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comments is commentary. 
Yeah, you know, and so, you 

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know, it dictates its oh, no, 
everyone's afraid. 

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And so everyone, you know, just 
more specifically, just like the

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creative process, you know, 
totally inhibiting to totally 

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the creative process. 
Even, even the thought of 

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wanting to make everybody happy.
Because that's what it is. 

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You the internet is everybody 
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something. 
And there's something about the 

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internet to that makes you feel 
like in order to comment on it 

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or just be a part of this 
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stance on things. 
And that to not take a stance 

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has to be either weak or 
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And and especially for me it's 
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hard a time as ever to have a 
stance on things just because 

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things are changing so rapidly, 
and it's so confusing and 

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something I really liked About 
your what made your show? 

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So great the Carmichael show 
which was so wonderful was that 

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for me, the meaning of your show
was the sum total of all of the 

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disparate conversations being 
had by the family. 

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You know, I mean, that is a 
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of huge National, disagreements 
and conversations can actually 

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be happening within six people 
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Yeah. 
And that those disagreements 

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that we have Giant political 
disagreements, if you kind of, 

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look at them. 
Can sometimes be boiled down to 

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just like you and your brother 
and the type of person you are 

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well, with somebody else. 
I feels important at this time, 

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too. 
I don't know. 

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At a time when so much of the 
politics is between and so much 

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of the culture is between people
planting their feet in the 

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ground and saying, I'm right? 
And you're wrong, which I'm not 

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saying which of course that 
should be happening in. 

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There are certain things 
happening the culture where that

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fight needs to Happening. 
But for art to be a in, at 

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least, in some respect to, I 
don't know, acknowledge this, 

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how confusing everything is and 
how, I mean, I'm at a loss for 

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words now, because I've got to 
the topic of everything being so

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confusing and articulate. 
Yeah, that first thing you feel 

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like you have an interest in 
that of I felt like in your work

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and in your, and your stand up 
to you, you seem to have an 

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interest in portraying 
unresolved feelings or not 

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necessarily. 
Having a stance on some? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
A lot of times I like gray areas

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a lot, you know? 
And and it's that you've always 

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kind of captured. 
This is going to just turn into 

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that they count. 
This is not how we talk to each 

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other. 
By the way, at her house we said

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I'm just going to be sitting 
Point each other we go like 

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yeah. 
Great well I will say I will say

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it's not that far away from 
certain moments. 

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We've had certain moments, a lot
of, a lot of times, I 

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interesting like the worst but a
lot of times I interaction is 

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like that scene in network with 
Just like wasted outside of a 

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like, without even drinking. 
A lot of times is yeah. 

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Feels drunken that's like a 
really? 

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Yeah, I know, I don't know. 
How do we? 

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I don't know. 
We use. 

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What do we usually talk about? 
We usually talk about just 

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people, we love and things, we 
love and we love right now. 

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What do you love? 
It's very nice. 

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That's a nice topic for us. 
Let's rank. 

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Let's rank a twenty four films 
from worst to best. 

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East. 
Okay ready. 

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He's crazy. 
That was a second route almost 

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started. 
I know. 

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I know I know start and then 
not. 

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Yeah you let me know just like 
the worst know what am I liking 

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your butt wet? 
Like yeah, what are you 

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listening to? 
I noticed such a probably 

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podcast the question. 
Um listen I don't listen we 

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really like that Anderson POC, 
new song. 

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It's really that Spike Jonze 
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beautiful. 
All practical. 

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Walls. 
And yeah it's really amazing. 

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It's a little terrifying though.
When I listen to that and I was 

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like oh man this there's two 
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This sounds incredible and it 
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apple commercial which is a 
little terrifying. 

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It's like oh shit. 
Apple is Apple's finger really? 

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Oh yeah. 
Like and it has been the fact 

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that like I really like this 
song and this also and it 

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doesn't seem weird to be in an 
apple commercial. 

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I'm like man you guys. 
I mean but you've really figured

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it out. 
They pick the right people. 

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Yeah. 
You know, like it's like a lot 

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of times. 
I mean, who am I to say? 

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Who's right or wrong? 
I usually don't give that type 

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of disclaimer when talking to 
you. 

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Yeah, I gotta say, yeah, the 
right people is like the clearly

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wrong people, but that's another
thing. 

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That's, that's an interesting 
thing to ask. 

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You like something it feels so 
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being fresh or being exciting. 
Is that like, the people running

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the ad agencies at all these big
places Apple like they are like 

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us? 
It's not like it was, you know, 

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I don't know in the 70s or 
whatever and you were like, you 

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know, it was your films like 
taxi driver in the Like to do 

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you have foot fungus? 
The only mean it isn't like 

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that. 
It's like you put out Moonlight 

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and then like Samsung the next 
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of moonlight to make like a 
commercial that makes you like 

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want to cry. 
Yeah, you know so it's like 

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during the Olympics was insane. 
It was the most emotional. 

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Yeah. 
Like the commercials like we're 

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back to bag like tugging at your
heart strings and really well 

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made and cool. 
I'm saying that that Spike Jonze

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FKA twigs thing is really and 
then they, I Incredible piece of

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filmmaking and it has an Apple 
commercial, so it's like a 

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little highlights, little aren't
like the man when the man is, 

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well, I'll let you aspire to 
like the thought of us in a 

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sense. 
Like sometimes I'm like, let's 

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just bring it back to like the 
60s and just like tell everybody

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that we're advertising, you 
don't have been like just like 

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the real like Lucille Ball 
smoking Philip Morris. 

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Yeah. 
It's just like own that this is 

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a thing because like what I like
about that commercial was that 

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it is just about It's a it's 
clearly an ad. 

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Yeah, you know what I mean? 
Like, it's not like apologizing 

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for being like an ad in. 
Yes, of course, better than most

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things. 
Well, that's the crazy thing 

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about like, SNL used to parity 
commercials, right? 

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And, you know, with all their 
funny parody commercial and 

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those damn robotic. 
And and then the commercials 

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realize that those were funny 
and now, like commercials feel 

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like SNL parody, how would you 
tear a DA Geico commercial, how 

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would you parity and Axe Body 
Spray? 

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Oh, they're making fun of the 
fact that when you put on Axe 

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Body Spray, 20 girls jump on you
and yet people by Axe Body 

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Spray, think it's it's so weird.
It's like there's a real and it 

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grosses me out deeply. 
When I feel like this is going 

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to be hard for me, I shouldn't 
say this, but this is I'm never 

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gonna work anything. 
Like I'll never be asked but 

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like Deadpool is so deeply 
troubling to me, because it's 

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like a billion-dollar 
Corporation winking at the 

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audience, and everyone's just 
totally cool with and unions. 

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Like it's a 200 million dollar 
move. 

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With a guy being like here's the
trailer for my stupid movie, 

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watch it, you idiots and 
everyone's like yeah he gets it.

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I'm like, does he does Deadpool?
Get it? 

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Yeah, you know, the think that, 
that makes me look at stuff and 

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go like, man, like, But the 
irony is at all that stuff is 

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like, so toothless. 
That is such a victory. 

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In the world, like in the film 
marketing, they are going, they 

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are going crazy, and they did it
man over Deadpool. 

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And so, I can't wait to see you 
like, Other people also try and 

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go like, yeah, fuck you. 
You idiots. 

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Yeah. 
Come see my movie. 

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You don't? 
Like I did. 

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Like, I did enjoy him. 
Killing Mario, Lopez on the 

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first run. 
Is that one? 

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How I didn't see it? 
I didn't see it killed. 

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Mario Lopez, and one. 
And only know this. 

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Because I like to keep it on the
hotel screen. 

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Yeah, check into a hotel just 
like leave it on the, you know, 

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Mario Lopez Channel talking 
about movies. 

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Yeah. 
Right. 

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But I just, I know like the 
Press. 

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Yeah, I've seen this, I've like 
went to your hotel room but it 

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supports like For it tonight or 
whatever. 

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Yeah, I love. 
I just assumed that was just 

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happening for no reason. 
Yeah. 

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That relates murdered. 
I love infomercials because it 

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doesn't apologize for what it 
is. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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I was just like it's just so 
direct and people. 

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It's so sad. 
It is sad man. 

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I don't that I know we both 
shared a love of phantom thread 

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which probably talk about fan of
Family Guy. 

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Yeah. 
I see I get like nervous talking

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about stuff like that. 
Right? 

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I don't know. 
I'm just saying because I feel I

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think we both feel Well well I 
don't know. 

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I mean you're a you're a deeply 
put together confident person 

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but like I feel very I will I 
talk I'll talk with fanfares 

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like a. 
I can talk about like as just a 

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viewer and everything. 
I feel. 

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Yeah. 
I feel like so new to the world 

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of film and still feel like I'm 
really, you know, we always talk

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about how a lot of a lot of 
things that like Classics we 

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just watched. 
Yeah, it's like, it's like I saw

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Casablanca likes. 
Uh, yeah, this is like Breakfast

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at Tiffany's was cool, I guess. 
Yeah, yeah, we didn't have that.

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We didn't grow up watching. 
No, no. 

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But I think my father watchcon 
are on TNT every day for my 

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entire childhood. 
Yes. 

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So much, so that he would refer 
to Steve Buscemi as rockhound, 

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yeah race. 
Because that's the character on 

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count on. 
Are you think I'm an Rock hounds

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him? 
Is this time like this. 

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I grew up wherever in the 
whatever, but I've missed a lot 

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of weight. 
That is incredible man. 

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What an incredible omage to 
Europe. 

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What brought you to this moment?
I grew up in whatever. 

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Doing women, whatever I don't 
feel like going into the home 

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Horatio, Alger bullshit. 
I would just love that, that is 

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like the perfect narrative 
opening to a film. 

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I grew up in where we're at 
anyway. 

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And then, anyway, there's a 
whole like all types of movies. 

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I'm like Catching up on, you 
know, like I first moved to LA 

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and people, you know, just like 
like shocked that things I 

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hadn't seen yet. 
Yeah. 

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And I was like, from the ghetto,
of course, I haven't seen bottle

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rocket. 
Yeah. 

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Where was I supposed to wear? 
Where was that going to be 

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advertised it as like that? 
Where yeah, yeah. 

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I feel similarly, in the, in 
the, in the, the cultural Mecca 

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of Gloucester Massachusetts, 
where was I? 

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I'm just saying. 
It's like yeah, I don't know. 

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I Seeing any of that stuff. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I mean it's funny because it is 
kind of a thing where I think 

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that is an advantage though. 
Like just the fact of like 

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there. 
Something about the noon even 

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like a favorite filmmakers, 
something about that. 

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Yeah. 
Totally newness. 

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The 90 we said like I mean one 
of our favorites is like Steve 

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McQueen Quinn and like what 
metal incredible about him is I 

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feel is sometimes movies. 
Feel crowded with people that 

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are just like, just making 
movies. 

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I know that seems silly, but 
it's like, oh, they've been 

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fantastic. 
As of movies and are making 

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movies. 
And I tend to like I know, Steve

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McQueen has visual artist coming
into this new medium, trying to 

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express these other things in 
this new thing rather than just 

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going. 
Oh I want to just make the 

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movies I liked when I was a kid.
Yeah. 

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And all that stuff can be a 
really incredible. 

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Is probably just defensive of me
saying that. 

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No, but I mean his like advice 
is like just go and try stuff. 

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Maybe. 
I mean I know it sounds like, 

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you know, advice, maybe you've 
heard before. 

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But he's like just I made so 
many mistakes he would just 

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something about like what but 
the mistakes were beneficial in 

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this real you know. 
Yeah. 

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In this way that like he didn't 
he wasn't like beholding to some

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made-up standard of filmmaking. 
You like rights rights to have 

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right Rings elements. 
His writing didn't reflect that 

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the weight like nothing. 
He did reflected that, you know?

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So it's like, that's why it's I 
mean, that's why it's new. 

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I guess I don't know what movies
like family like fans. 

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Right. 
Yeah. 

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But I'm trying to say is 
probably more fun to talk about.

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Just some I hate by. 
No no we can't can't do that. 

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I don't think you can do that 
legally. 

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Everyone's great. 
Yeah, everyone's in clever ones.

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So great. 
Everyone's doing great. 

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Yeah, I'm really happy for 
everybody. 

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No. 
I feel great. 

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What about this? 
Could this could maybe be 

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relevant to people. 
I have no idea. 

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I feel like we are sort of 
Fundamentally different people 

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in very same, sort of, 
dispositional way our, our race 

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is in the I don't even consider 
that, you know what I mean? 

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Like, in a true way. 
Like there's so many different, 

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I can't talk for this part. 
You can just, you know, you 

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don't you don't consider my 
race, bro. 

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You always say that the 
differences between us, ya know,

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the races that is the least 
different beliefs different like

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I can't say that, but You can 
say that have a blast doing 

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this. 
What what you think that would 

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be genuine like because you said
that II will I will sooner riff 

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about the shape of water that I 
really like race for months 

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before my film comes out. 
But the point is and it really 

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is, it's sort of what my my 
movie is about in a way. 

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Is, is that difference? 
I'm saying, I am wired, I'm a 

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neurotic person. 
I am. 

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I am very eyes. 
Very easily, get nervous and 

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worried and stressed, I've just 
wired that way. 

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I'm just, I've always been wired
that way when I was a kid. 

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Like, in school, I thought like,
we went to the, I would go to 

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the hospital all the time 
because I thought I had stomach 

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issues. 
We did all these tests on them 

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and it was until 10 years later 
I was like, oh I was just 

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nervous, I was just shitting my 
pants at school every day 

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because I was a fucking so 
nervous about getting a B+ or 

429
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whatever and you. 
Yeah it are not that way. 

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I mean if I can describe you to 
you right now, You seem at least

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to me and to everyone that's 
ever fallen fallen into your 

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orbit that that you are 
impervious to stress. 

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And I have seen you in very high
stress situations. 

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Not feel stressed to apps to an 
almost Psychopathic degree and 

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it's an it's interesting. 
I mean I looked I in many ways I

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Look to You to hope that some of
that easiness can rub off on me.

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You constantly say to me every 
time I see you Jen. 

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Only out of it. 
Seems you genuinely? 

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Say this is the happiest I've 
ever been? 

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You're saying that all the time.
Yeah, no. 

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You don't even realize you say 
it every single time I see you. 

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Yeah, no. 
I mean, I'm very, very happy. 

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I don't know. 
I was for people that for people

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that I and I would assume more 
of the people listening are 

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probably similar to me than you 
in that, respect. 

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What is your advice for for 
stressful people? 

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Other than just being born, the 
way you are. 

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I mean, do exactly what. 
What you want to do and I knew 

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this wasn't going to work, this 
is just the way you are but 

450
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that's the thing just do. 
Exactly what you want to do. 

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Like we it's too many people 
weighing in on what you make and

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00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:03,000
it's just like ignore that. 
Hmm. 

453
00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:09,300
Like you trace the why stress 
just doesn't stick to you, has 

454
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:11,400
it always been that? 
Can you remember a time being 

455
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,400
stressed? 
Um, I think, you know, probably 

456
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,500
like early on school for other 
reasons getting picked on and 

457
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:23,300
that type of stuff until Until I
wasn't, you know, it's our 

458
00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:26,900
eighth grade and you just kind 
of like, you know you I don't 

459
00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:31,800
know II, just didn't. 
It's no point is not productive.

460
00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:34,400
Yeah, you don't know me. 
Like, stress isn't really that 

461
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,300
productive because like, all 
right, you I guess what you can 

462
00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:40,000
use it to be productive, you 
know. 

463
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,200
Like even you you wearing xiety,
not in a sense of what you're 

464
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,000
not just like worried you are 
figuring out ways to fix things 

465
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,200
like it. 
Yeah. 

466
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,800
But I'm not knocking it. 
My stress like it's productive 

467
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,700
so I'll keep it. 
You know, I mean it's like it's 

468
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,200
completely out of my control. 
If I could snap my fingers and 

469
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,400
not be Stressed. 
I would totally do that. 

470
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,900
Yeah, in a second. 
You would I you have the power. 

471
00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:06,100
I know like you could become 
stressed if if you felt like it 

472
00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:10,000
would help you when you're like,
this is a great story about you.

473
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,900
This is just like so indicative 
of the complete psychopath. 

474
00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:16,700
You truly are is we were at like
dinner once and we were talking 

475
00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:19,300
about like how you haven't cried
and as long as you can remember.

476
00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:20,800
Yeah. 
It's like why even cried 

477
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:21,800
anything? 
He's like, no. 

478
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,100
And then, I'm like what it? 
But for a movie, what if you 

479
00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:26,400
were acting in a movie, which 
you cry. 

480
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,300
Then like, oh yeah. 
Definitely do that. 

481
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:31,000
Like, no, you couldn't, if 
you've never cried in your life,

482
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:34,000
you could never cry in a movie 
and he goes, I'm going to try 

483
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,900
it. 
And you sat there and you cried 

484
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:39,800
you get across from the dinner 
table just because he wanted to,

485
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,200
he was able to do the thing that
Natural Life hadn't given to him

486
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,600
and in 20 years you just insane 
but, but you know what I'm 

487
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,900
saying, you are a person with a 
Clear Vision of what you want to

488
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:57,500
do, right? 
Like know, maybe, maybe not. 

489
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,600
No, no I don't have you are man.
This is I know that's what this 

490
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,600
is. 
Yeah, yeah I'm saying I'm sorry.

491
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,500
I know I'm saying I just don't 
want to sound like these wacky 

492
00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:10,200
people like this. 
Just yeah you're you're this 

493
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,100
know you're there. 
Okay. 

494
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:18,700
Yeah but it's I'm being drawn 
towards it because I am you want

495
00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:21,700
it's like the formalism of this 
actually like allows me to 

496
00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:24,800
interrogate ya know, in a way 
that we never would because 

497
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,000
because if you ever started 
talking to me like this or vice 

498
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,100
versa and real, You know what 
you would kick me out of your 

499
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:33,800
home. 
Yeah, go we're doing but let me 

500
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,200
just turn this on you just for a
second. 

501
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,300
All right, this is more fun for 
me. 

502
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:41,900
It is it scary. 
Would you feel like I think 

503
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:46,500
something you, you're personally
interested in is just the idea 

504
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,900
of ambition and wanting to be 
something. 

505
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:52,400
And are you terrified of it? 
Is their Terror of not 

506
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,400
capitalizing on any potential 
you have is there. 

507
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,200
What do you feel? 
About now you have, are you are 

508
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,500
you like sort of like, I don't 
know, like, Kobe a score, like 

509
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,700
what, you know, in terms of just
like, you can't see failure in 

510
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:11,400
front of you, even if you tried 
or are you okay with failure in 

511
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,000
front of you, if you were to 
find it? 

512
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,100
Or I mean yeah. 
I mean think certain failures 

513
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:20,000
are like, I know it's 
inevitable, you know, like you 

514
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,600
always have like something 
everything. 

515
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,100
It's always in tension. 
I just know the, my intention 

516
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:33,000
doing things is To either have 
it like a learning experience or

517
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:36,900
to really contribute to whatever
it is, right? 

518
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:40,100
And I just trust that intention 
and that's pretty much it. 

519
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:43,700
Like, I know that and that and 
that manifests itself through 

520
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:47,300
everything like through, who 
you're around, what you read, 

521
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:50,600
and all of those things like 
just come from that and like it 

522
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,500
really is, I know, that sounds 
like the bullshit answer. 

523
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:56,100
Yeah. 
But like, it really is just I 

524
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:59,000
just, it's complete. 
Trusting that I, you know, I 

525
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,700
just try to have that because 
then it's not like I have 

526
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,200
specific career goals and that 
type of thing but more. 

527
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,400
So the goal is to like again I 
know this may sound like a silly

528
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,000
or whatever but the goal is to 
have an idea and to be able to 

529
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:18,700
put that idea out in whatever 
form that is. 

530
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,900
I don't need to be in it or 
whatever. 

531
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,000
I just want to be able to get 
ideas out. 

532
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,900
That's the goal, so it's not 
necessarily a number attached to

533
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:29,600
a lot of them. 
Or like a certain criteria is 

534
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,400
just the opportunity right have 
that. 

535
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:35,700
Yeah you know what I mean? 
And like I trust that is that 

536
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,300
does that make sense? 
I think so. 

537
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:41,400
I think so I'm trying to because
I've always felt about you 

538
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,400
specifically that like you 
should you should be you could 

539
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,900
be like Tony Robbins or 
whatever. 

540
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:49,200
That's then you just have sort 
of innate social skills that 

541
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,900
play out really well for people 
and being productive and I was 

542
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:56,500
thinking, I feel like I am in a 
lot of ways. 

543
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,700
Look to be a almost a student of
your disposition. 

544
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,800
And I'm just thinking, just 
trying, I'm trying to steer this

545
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,300
to some way of like, how can we 
be, how can we make this 

546
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:11,900
slightly productive for anyone 
listening given that we're not 

547
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,600
incredible Lee well-established 
filmmakers? 

548
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,800
Yeah, in this space of like, you
know, there's yeah, I know, I 

549
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,800
know. 
But the thing is, you were 

550
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,700
feeling the same way working at 
Foot Locker, right? 

551
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:24,900
I mean that's the truth. 
Yeah, you were. 

552
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:27,500
You were just as you were just 
as ambitious. 

553
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:32,000
And hungry and looking, and and 
satisfied working at Footlocker 

554
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,500
as you are now as your, you 
know, yeah, yeah, I'm Hank Woods

555
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:40,200
usually like a center of 
happiness and gratitude and all 

556
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,200
that stuff but your family is it
God? 

557
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,100
Yeah. 
God family. 

558
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,200
You know just you know I'm I 
trust that I'll work really 

559
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,500
hard. 
I'll trust that I'll take it 

560
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:54,200
like and if it all went away, 
you would be fine. 

561
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,500
And I know you kind of crave 
that I'm not trying to lead you 

562
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,000
but ya know. 
II. 

563
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,800
You saying I crave failing 
miserably and then having to 

564
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,800
build yourself? 
Oh, that's not what it's fun. 

565
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,100
Because then you're like in 
survival mode and you got to 

566
00:29:08,108 --> 00:29:10,700
figure stuff out, right? 
Like, I respect that, but it's 

567
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:14,000
funny because I mean, you said 
it, but you also I feel like you

568
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:19,800
could do almost anything. 
Well, it in a real sent, no in a

569
00:29:19,808 --> 00:29:22,400
real sense and I'm saying not 
more. 

570
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,800
So, because I do think you are 
really thoughtful, like, 

571
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,300
genuinely very, very And willing
to take time and figure things 

572
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:32,800
out which is what like really I 
mean you look at eighth grade 

573
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,600
eighth grade is a product of a 
thoughtful person of a very 

574
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,100
thoughtful director, you know, 
like someone who actually took 

575
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:45,300
time to like, you know, learn 
and figure things out and I do 

576
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:49,600
think do you trust in that? 
That that's what I'm asking. 

577
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,800
Do you trust in that ability to 
like, yeah, I mean I think I 

578
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,300
have a good Dodge for this 
question that I think it's like 

579
00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:59,800
it. 
Is that I think the move is a 

580
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,500
little bit about, and as we're 
talking you probably don't feel 

581
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:06,000
this. 
But as you're talking, I feel a,

582
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:12,000
like a slight little sense of 
panic, listening being the 

583
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,100
person listening to this going. 
Who the fuck are these two 

584
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,000
people talking to each other? 
Rubbing each other's back? 

585
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:20,500
You know? 
Like and I think that is 

586
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:22,000
slightly what the movie is 
about. 

587
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,100
So I'm saying I know this sounds
like a Dodge but like, know 

588
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,500
that, whatever thoughtfulness is
Necessarily just kind being 

589
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:32,100
thoughtful as you know, it's 
being full of thoughts. 

590
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:34,000
Thoughts can be anything, you 
know? 

591
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,600
But there's I think there's this
increasing increasing sense. 

592
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,500
Everyone has of what we're doing
now. 

593
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:43,800
Like, what we're doing now, 
performing a conversation with 

594
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,600
each other. 
Yeah, a bunch of people trying 

595
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,500
to act like it's casual yet, 
it's totally not casual. 

596
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:50,300
It's structured and it's not 
structured. 

597
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:53,900
We can talk freely but we also 
have to be completely aware of 

598
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,000
who is listening. 
I do think that is trickled down

599
00:30:56,008 --> 00:30:57,400
because of the internet and 
social media. 

600
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:01,600
Dia into everyone's lives 
wherever like the sort of weird 

601
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,700
added stress of this 
conversation is plastered on all

602
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:07,900
interactions. 
Now, because of social media 

603
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,900
making everything public and 
that's not good, and not 

604
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:13,800
positive, and it's really 
stressful, and that's sort of 

605
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:17,200
slightly what I'm trying to 
attempt to capture both of us. 

606
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,800
Really love. 
Jackie, you know, love the film.

607
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Jackie. 
And part of the reason is and I 

608
00:31:21,808 --> 00:31:27,000
know you are very obsessed with 
the idea of People being aware 

609
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000
of their own narratives and 
shaping their own narratives and

610
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,800
that was a thing in the past 
that was sort of only afforded 

611
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,100
or required of really famous 
people or people, you know, in 

612
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:41,000
real positions of power to have 
to have their own narrative. 

613
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:45,600
You know what I'm saying? 
And now it's everyone doing 

614
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,200
that. 
And and and this movie partly is

615
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,100
about well what does it feel 
like to have to feel like you 

616
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,500
have to tell your own story when
you're a 13 year old kid with 

617
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,600
with really know? 
A story that's as Grand as the 

618
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,800
stakes that are the standards 
that have been set for how, what

619
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,500
a story should be in the real 
life in the real world. 

620
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,800
It's not really an answer your 
question, but that is sort of, I

621
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,900
guess what I'm what I'm trying 
to get at, it's like the same 

622
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:15,800
thing. 
That's sort of can make 

623
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,700
interviews or things a little 
bit stressful or crazy. 

624
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:22,700
For me is the thing I'm trying 
to talk about which is how do 

625
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:26,200
you exist as a real person? 
Yes, exactly. 

626
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:28,700
Just being seen though you're 
being seen. 

627
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:32,800
And I think the sort of 
experience that was only 

628
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:37,100
afforded to celebrities or in my
case, d-list comedians. 

629
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:41,600
You know, I did stand-up for a 
long time and my stand-up was 

630
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,200
about me being a comedian and me
having an audience and me being 

631
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,700
watched because that was my 
experience. 

632
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:51,700
So I had to be honest about it 
and I, it was I found that 15 

633
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:54,900
year old kids, with felt the 
same way I did. 

634
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:57,900
Yeah, that's really weird. 
I was Why do you understand? 

635
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:01,300
Yeah, the idea of having an 
audience but they do everyone 

636
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:03,900
hold release statement. 
Yeah exactly. 

637
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:08,600
Like if you look at like, you 
know, tweets and you know post 

638
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,600
on whatever like people speak 
like yeah they craft things like

639
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,500
you wake up in the morning you 
have to craft that like yes it's

640
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:20,800
The Narrative of your experience
has to be like because we think 

641
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,400
like publicist we think like we 
have to speak to the Press 

642
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,200
because you are you are 
releasing a statement. 

643
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:27,100
A statement. 
Yes. 

644
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,600
Of your own well-being of your 
own existence. 

645
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,900
Your crafting a. 
Yeah. 

646
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:33,700
And it's just for and it's for 
an audience of 12. 

647
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:35,900
Yes, bills and singing audience 
is an audience. 

648
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:39,000
I'm yeah, people have anxiety to
speak in front of, you know, 

649
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,100
just a table full of people. 
Yeah, yes, of course. 

650
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,300
And like I think you are someone
who is naturally wired where 

651
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:51,300
that works, that sort of culture
works with your personality. 

652
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:54,700
I don't, I think you Embrace 
that and you work sort of 

653
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:58,700
effortlessly with it. 
And the story of my movie and 

654
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:02,900
sort of me is, that is sort of 
feeling, like, what does it feel

655
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:05,000
like to be? 
I know it seems silly because I 

656
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,600
was a comedian but to be 
naturally introverted in a world

657
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,400
where you are required to be 
extroverted, you know, that, 

658
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,900
that that's what's strange to 
me. 

659
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:21,400
And also, I will say we, I could
say we deeply love and care for 

660
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,199
each other. 
I'm saying that, I think I'm 

661
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,800
saying that's why we're walking.
That's also, what that's also 

662
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,699
why we are, you get the 
performed version of it is 

663
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:35,500
because it's also like to 
protect. 

664
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:40,000
We could easily set each other 
up to like say something. 

665
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,900
Yeah, exactly. 
Exactly who I am and and because

666
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:47,100
it's like, you got a movie 
coming out and yeah. 

667
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,400
Whatever. 
Doing the, what's your fault? 

668
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:53,000
So it's like, all right, let's 
protect each other from. 

669
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,100
Oh, yes. 
Michael for yeah, exactly. 

670
00:34:56,300 --> 00:35:01,100
It's hard because because I 
think like any true friendship, 

671
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:05,200
a lot of it is rooted in, it's 
not even talking shit. 

672
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,700
I think it comes across as being
analytical or spent a 

673
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:09,600
dangerously. 
Yeah of course but the dangerous

674
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,300
thing is I really do think it. 
Is you try and figure it out and

675
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:18,100
reconfigure a thing and like 
you're dissecting you know, to 

676
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:21,100
me more than I think is yeah. 
And of course some of it is just

677
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:23,500
pure like the yeah just I don't 
like it. 

678
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:24,300
You're being assholes. 
Yeah. 

679
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:26,900
Whatever. 
But like I do think That you 

680
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:31,300
know, it is important to like, 
you know, hopefully I'm hoping 

681
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:35,700
every friendship has this even 
though publicly we have to do 

682
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:38,300
the song and dance sometimes. 
Okay. 

683
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:42,300
Yeah, feel the need to like I 
hope that people are, I hope 

684
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:45,300
people aren't just saying 
everything's good and fine and 

685
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:48,000
all right. 
And like yeah man well and and 

686
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,600
whatever it represents 
politically, you know, confusing

687
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,200
that for the art itself. 
I hope people are going like I 

688
00:35:55,207 --> 00:35:59,300
don't know what the fuck. you 
don't mean like, yeah, analyzing

689
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,600
what is wild and we'll probably 
for tread lightly here but like,

690
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,800
obviously the conversation on 
Twitter and it makes a lot of 

691
00:36:07,808 --> 00:36:14,500
sense that in Trump's America 
that us of the whatever, you 

692
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,000
know, side that maybe isn't that
wants to just completely bind 

693
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000
together in the face of this 
Insanity, that's sort of above 

694
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,100
our heads, but it gets a little 
strange maybe in the artistic 

695
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,300
Mystic Community or something, 
where it feels like we all have 

696
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:34,400
to be fighting for this or all 
have to be slightly on the same 

697
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,600
page with each other. 
I'm saying. 

698
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,900
Yeah, point is to focus clearly 
a competitive field greatly 

699
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:42,500
integrate epitome. 
No, no. 

700
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,500
And that. 
Yeah, I mean, the the jealous 

701
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:49,100
angry version of it but it is, 
it is a competitive field and 

702
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:54,800
like the idea I think the 
biggest lie then facade, that we

703
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,100
hold up, is this Of light and we
all know, even with streaming 

704
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:03,700
there's only a certain number of
outlets for like things and we 

705
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:06,700
are fighting for it. 
Yeah, Vie for the attention of 

706
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:09,500
everybody, you know. 
And it's competitive. 

707
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:10,800
I'm saying it. 
Would it would it have been if 

708
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,900
as cool if you heard like it's 
like, Jimi Hendrix being like 

709
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:16,800
just listen to Hey, Hey, at the 
Beatles. 

710
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,000
Great new album. 
And I mean, it's like that just 

711
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,900
deals are Kno just be like, 
like, I don't want, I don't want

712
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,100
I can imagine, and this is what 
I would love. 

713
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,700
If there was like a third wish, 
there was like a 22 year old kid

714
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:34,100
here that was like just getting 
into the business we could ask 

715
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:36,400
her like what do you think 
about? 

716
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,900
What does it look like to you? 
What is the culture look like to

717
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:40,700
you? 
What does it feel like to be 

718
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:44,400
starting to be creative in this 
area? 

719
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,400
Do we sound like old 
out-of-touch guys? 

720
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,100
Yeah, my basic worry for young 
people. 

721
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,400
It's very, very, very hard. 
I think for young people are 

722
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,100
engaged in the internet to like,
take that. 

723
00:37:56,300 --> 00:38:00,500
Time to put the work in to make 
something good and substantial, 

724
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:02,300
which if you're gonna make 
something substantial, that's, 

725
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:04,500
you know, whether it's an 
hour-long comedy, special, or a 

726
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:08,900
pilot, or whatever it is, part 
of the artistic process is 

727
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,800
retreating disappearing. 
We talked about this a lot. 

728
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,000
Yeah, disappearing. 
And then coming to the world 

729
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,100
with a thing. 
Oh I look I just spent eight 

730
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:18,600
months a year. 
Two years on this thing. 

731
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,700
Here it is. 
And right now this sort of four 

732
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:25,600
kids break trying to break into 
the business or whatever trying 

733
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,400
to get attention. 
Ian, the impulses, you have an 

734
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,000
idea put it out there, get your 
Twitter going around. 

735
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,200
Like you've still feels like a 
day that you missed opportunity.

736
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Exactly. 
When like there's nothing more 

737
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,200
in my opinion, the best PR for 
you is good work that you spent 

738
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,800
a while making and I just worry 
that will have sort of the 

739
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,500
artistic equivalent of like a 
24-hour news cycle, you know? 

740
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,900
I mean we're just everything is 
sort of fresh and topical and 

741
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:58,900
age. 
Like milk and I don't know what 

742
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,200
we talked about. 
I know you talked about the 

743
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,800
value, I think of not being 
present disappearing in this 

744
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,600
world love, you know, of feeling
like people are to in our faces 

745
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,300
all the time or, I don't know. 
But I was also crazy about, you 

746
00:39:15,308 --> 00:39:20,600
know, the need to perform should
be turned off in any way, right?

747
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:26,000
Like the need to like, you know,
you go on stage and you get off.

748
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,400
Offstage. 
Yeah you know like like you and 

749
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,900
perform. 
I mean just innocent an 

750
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:35,800
Instagram picture is a 
performance of sort of. 

751
00:39:35,808 --> 00:39:38,500
Yeah they talk show appearances 
all these. 

752
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:43,000
Yeah it's just I don't want to 
like perform a lot that's why I 

753
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,800
can't I'm just not on because 
it's like yeah the need to that 

754
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,400
one second. 
If someone Google's Rod 

755
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,200
Carmichael you want the first 
three things they say to be 

756
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,800
things. 
You spend a lot of time on your 

757
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,900
shower, your special not. 
Oh, he was throwing, you know, a

758
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:57,500
bag. 
Of Skittles at someone's head on

759
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,600
some talk show or whatever they 
do, on those things like, I'm 

760
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,300
gonna get it, like like drug 
Carmichael, ate a live bird. 

761
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,700
It's like, why do these people 
want to do this but it's also. 

762
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:08,700
Oh, this is that something 
that's that's the door. 

763
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:12,200
You want to get it ride? 
Oh my God. 

764
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,100
What is it? 
Okay, trust can sign for this 

765
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:19,400
package. 
Oh, I'm sorry. 

766
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,600
What we're doing it. 
We're recording something. 

767
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,500
I'm sorry. 
But we support your cause 

768
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,200
Pre-show. 
That's nice. 

769
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,800
It's just casually shooting 
down. 

770
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,600
Like some probably really 
well-meaning chair that coming 

771
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,100
toward by a 24. 
Exactly. 

772
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,300
Now that was I thought that was 
just like, yeah, yeah, that was 

773
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:41,800
I have, I don't know what 
Christian James was about to 

774
00:40:41,808 --> 00:40:47,800
present and I do feel like, I 
feel like I'm missing out on an 

775
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,900
opportunity. 
Yeah. 

776
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:53,700
It was just someone in a teal 
shirt and a bow tie. 

777
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,500
Oh God. 
I turned around said hi. 

778
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:59,200
I'm Christian. 
And James and, and then you and 

779
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,000
I was the one I'm a little mad 
at you, because you cut off. 

780
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:06,700
Yeah, Christian James right. 
Before we could be missing an 

781
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:10,200
opportunity right now. 
I don't know what it was. 

782
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,200
I was excited to hear. 
Well, that was a comedian. 

783
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,200
That was a good metaphor. 
I think, for the differences 

784
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,000
between us and, and, you know, 
oh, I wouldn't let the whole 

785
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,900
thing play. 
Yeah, you would have yeah, yeah.

786
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:20,300
No. 
There was no, there was no 

787
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:22,100
version of that where I was 
ready to go. 

788
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,500
Yeah, I'm sure. 
Yeah, you would have set them up

789
00:41:24,508 --> 00:41:26,100
with a put pilot or something 
knowing you. 

790
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,900
But but my, my my feeling which 
is creeping me out, tell me if 

791
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:36,200
I'm wrong and I, you know, is 
that like people's interest in 

792
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,800
celebrities which is just 
creeping me out a lot. 

793
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:41,800
Is that it's almost like like 
really famous actors. 

794
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,500
People are fans of them as 
people first and then vaguely 

795
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:48,700
fans of them as actors. 
It's like it's like well we 

796
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:51,400
really like watching insert 
really famous person's name 

797
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,500
here. 
We really like they're funny 

798
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:56,500
interviews on the Press tour and
then sometimes they were movies.

799
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,300
Kind of cool. 
Yeah, but like, what we really 

800
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:02,500
like is their Persona and that 
that is to me like what your 

801
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:05,500
condition to ask? 
Yeah, that's really scary. 

802
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:10,200
You you know, we allow access, 
you know what I mean? 

803
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,600
Like, like people if you allow 
that much access then it is you 

804
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,100
you put out more content. 
Probably on IG. 

805
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:22,800
Yeah. 
Like if you're posting every day

806
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,000
then like yeah, that number adds
up. 

807
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,100
So you get a buzz in a movie. 
People exactly. 

808
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:29,700
If you see them. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

809
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:32,600
Like that's like that's it. 
I mean but I don't know what the

810
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,000
fuck do I know. 
I know exactly and that's the 

811
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,500
thing is that I we're just 
guessing idiots. 

812
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:43,500
Talking shit that'll probably be
either as a chance from the or 

813
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:45,500
yeah. 
Will either completely fail and 

814
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:48,700
then that'll be it's thing or 
will be able to succeed in will 

815
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:49,800
end up being complete 
Hypocrites. 

816
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,900
So there's probably no excited. 
There's no world in which five 

817
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:55,100
years from now we look back in 
this without any sense of 

818
00:42:55,900 --> 00:43:00,400
happiness. 
Or we'll just full of regret but

819
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,800
what is what it Barry and Greta 
talk about. 

820
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,700
They just talked about like 
Sacramento we probably 

821
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:08,500
shouldn't. 
We shouldn't just thought that 

822
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:15,600
that would have been better. 
We should do a break for me on 

823
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,600
these and Dollar Shave Club 
that's are always. 

824
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:22,800
And every one of ya me undies 
and Dollar Shave Club is always 

825
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,800
the ones, the honest version of 
this conversation would be Is 

826
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,000
what I know 10 minutes of 
balance of going like I? 

827
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,400
Yeah, exactly. 
You really want to shape. 

828
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,100
You want to put a razor on your 
face for a dollar. 

829
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:36,500
Yeah. 
Come on, dude. 

830
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,400
So no good about it. 
I feel I feel. 

831
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,800
I feel generally. 
I feel good about it. 

832
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,000
Yeah. 
Given the given the task of 

833
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:50,200
having to have our, you know 
what. 

834
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,600
It feels like. 
It feels like like a couple, you

835
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,300
know, like a husband and wife, 
husband and husband. 

836
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,300
Why not that, you know, has been
married eight years had a good 

837
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:04,900
sex life and now is forced to 
have sex on stage in front of a 

838
00:44:04,908 --> 00:44:07,800
bunch of strangers. 
And you know, for the first five

839
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,600
minutes that you gotta find your
Rhythm a little bit. 

840
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,400
We don't know, you know, it's a 
whole different context for 

841
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:17,100
lovemaking, but always aware, I 
know Point have not been aware 

842
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:20,900
of well, then again, if you eat 
it's me finding out that my 

843
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:25,300
husband this entire time, has 
been picturing it audience 

844
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:26,400
watching us? 
Yeah. 

845
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:30,900
It was like crowd noises in the 
bed. 

846
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,500
Who do you think are? 
Who is the Greta? 

847
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:36,600
And who's the barrier? 
That's the real question. 

848
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,900
It's a good question, you know? 
I don't know. 

849
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:44,200
I could probably make an 
argument for either way. 

850
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Yeah, I think you got Greta and 
you, I feel like Greta, I 

851
00:44:47,607 --> 00:44:52,300
haven't met or known her but I 
feel like she's has a very good 

852
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:53,500
disposition. 
Very. 

853
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,500
She seems very have a deep 
happiness. 

854
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,000
Yeah, you've also got a lot of 
bear, you're probably Greta and 

855
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,200
Barry. 
And I'm like, I'm the Rodarte 

856
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,800
sisters, I'm both word artist 
that starts that's why up. 

857
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,800
So, I think maybe a good way to 
bring it. 

858
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,500
Home would be Be talk about 
something we hinted at it, but 

859
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,800
something you recently saw an 
anything that you really really 

860
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,600
love that inspired you. 
Snoop Dogg has a gospel album 

861
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,900
boy. 
You know that, well, that's kind

862
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:21,200
of been. 
I don't know. 

863
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,700
It's insane over travel liked 
it. 

864
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:25,500
That's great. 
What about you? 

865
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,600
I know. 
I keep thinking about that movie

866
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,800
raw. 
I say I'm he. 

867
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,500
Did you see real raw was 
incredible? 

868
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:32,800
Yeah, well was such a Julia 
Decor. 

869
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,900
Now she's a French filmmaker was
her first movie, which is 

870
00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:38,800
insane. 
Which is Razia, which is really,

871
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,100
and that's the thing. 
We always buy new thing for us 

872
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:43,600
is that we have because we're 
both very interested interested 

873
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,900
in film and want to get into the
film world and do it and like 

874
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:50,000
she was Geppetto. 
Well, yeah. 

875
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,000
I mean, like, like like 
controlling, like we all like, 

876
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,600
there were moments where like 
the audience, like everyone kind

877
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,100
of held themselves. 
Yeah. 

878
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:03,500
Look what it was and that feels 
like an ability that only you 

879
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:06,600
can only get after, like, 
multiple films to be able to be 

880
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,100
so. 
Oh, in controlling the Frog 

881
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:09,700
dance and tone and what they're 
feeling. 

882
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:13,300
But yeah, that that really 
inspired me. 

883
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:17,800
And it's all very, is it. 
What's nice about being in this 

884
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,900
being able to be lucky to be in 
this world is that it's really 

885
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:21,900
terrifying. 
Yeah. 

886
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:24,800
I mean I'm saying yeah the 
people intimidate the shit out 

887
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,900
of me you know I mean and and we
both know the Saudis who around 

888
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:30,300
our age or a little older and 
are you know terrifyingly 

889
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:35,100
talented and yeah and I feel 
like we you know I feel like 

890
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:39,500
I'll speak for myself. 
I feel like Slightly faking it 

891
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:42,200
till I make it and hopefully 
we'll make it soon. 

892
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,200
But will fake it until the we 
guessing? 

893
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,000
Just but no, but you you made an
incredible film for whatever 

894
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,400
that's worth. 
You piece of shit. 

895
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,600
Exactly. 
Yeah. 

896
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,900
Just like just 45 minutes of 
trying days. 

897
00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:58,800
Figuring out how to take a 
compliment. 

898
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,800
Yeah. 
God damn. 

899
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,400
It stops fighting this. 
A lot of fighting Ting 

900
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:13,600
conclusion, I love you and I 
appreciate you being here and 

901
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now let's turn this thing off 
and talk about what we just did 

902
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for an hour and a half. 
Yeah, hereditary will be in 

903
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theaters is incredible. 
I'm excited to see here. 

904
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The credible, it might not be 
June 6, but that is incredible. 

905
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Just a 24 is the best in and 
works. 

906
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:35,000
They have really cool 
sweatshirts and we're excited to

907
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be a part of the the family. 
What are we doing? 

908
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:41,000
What are you? 
I have no idea what I'm doing me

909
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and he's we're out. 
Thanks for listening. 

910
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:51,700
Look out for episode 3. 
Next month, keep sending your 

911
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:54,700
thoughts and ideas to podcast at
8:24 films.com. 

912
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:58,200
The a24 podcast is produced by 
us a 24. 

913
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,200
A special thanks to Doug and 
Aaron at robot repair, who 

914
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composed our theme