1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,200 Hi, this is Aidan Zamiri. Hi this is Charlie Xex and this 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,320 is the A 24. Podcast great. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,440 That was great. That was great. 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,600 That was. Great, here we are. 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,000 Hi, Charlie. Hi, Aidan. 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,600 You look amazing. So do you. 7 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,440 Thanks. We're doing the a 24 podcast. 8 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,200 We finally made it. We finally made it. 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,520 Do you know I was about to do Maybe You Won't Like This? 10 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,680 I was about to say Welcome to Charlie Xex's Best Song Ever. 11 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,440 Well, you're you're in the deep cut. 12 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,880 That's the thing about me, if there's someone that could write 13 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,520 a Wikipedia page. About me. 14 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,160 It's me. Well, how long have you been a 15 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:37,360 fan of mine? Great. 16 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:44,080 Question, Great question. OK, So I think, I think I must 17 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,680 have come across you in around this around the time of you ha 18 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,160 ha ha. Wow. 19 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:56,440 Which in 2025, the year we are no longer in, that song, was 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,560 kind of going viral on TikTok. And, you know, I think it's a 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,040 really inspiring TikTok trend. The girl, whatever trend, I 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,760 didn't do it. I think you could still. 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,960 I think it's a bit late now that we're in 2026. 24 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:11,960 We're in January 2026. The reason I think that trend 25 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:16,960 was actually really exciting was it sort of it sort of 26 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:19,840 represented freedom. Yeah. 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,600 Absolutely. The ethos of it was girl, 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,720 whatever. Totally. 29 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,040 Yeah. Let's tell them how we met. 30 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,480 You go first. OK, OK, so alright, my first 31 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,600 meeting. By the way, I'm trying to put 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,120 some structure in this because I know that if we don't. 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,880 No, no, we will. Actually, just talking. 34 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,080 About some. Bullshit for an hour. 35 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,120 A really good conversation and I think people are gonna be like, 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,440 what the hell, Those two pretty good at this whole. 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,040 Yeah, Right. So first time we ever met was 38 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,560 well, this is my first meeting with you, but not your first 39 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,160 meeting with me. It was either 2013 or 2014. 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,000 I think it was 13. I think it was 13 because I 41 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,280 think I was still or just finished high school. 42 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,880 And I went to a music festival called T in the Park. 43 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,440 And I remember telling you about this and you said I vowed to 44 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,560 never go back again. Then you could go back again the 45 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,039 next year. So I looked it up. 46 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,040 Oh cool. On the Wikipedia, as you had a 47 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,000 midday slot, it was the kind of time in your life when it was 48 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,360 sort of big Buffalo boots, a little pink nighty. 49 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,680 You had a all girl band, very cool. 50 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,200 You were singing songs like Super Love, one of my 51 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,240 favourites. How do you feel about that? 52 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:28,720 Super love. Yeah. 53 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,880 You know, I know it's a fan fave, but it doesn't 54 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,800 particularly speak to me anymore sonically. 55 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,200 OK, as a song, I just, yeah, I don't know. 56 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,640 But I know people like it. I'm do you know, at that point 57 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:48,960 in time when I was making music, I was doing an accent in a lot 58 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,800 of my songs was sort of like this Scandy accent because I was 59 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,560 recording a lot in Sweden. I know I really love Sweden. 60 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,600 It really runs so deep, my love for for Sweden. 61 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,800 So because I was working with Patrick Burger, who he produced, 62 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,680 I love it. He produced Dancing on My Own, 63 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,520 Like wow. And we were working in Stockholm 64 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,440 together a lot. And so when I did the first demo 65 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,360 for I Love It, for example, the way that I sang, it was like, I 66 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,520 love it, you know? Well, I. 67 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,520 Yeah, and so in Soup for Love. Love it. 68 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,680 Which Patrick made with me, right. 69 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,800 It's very much doing like this. Like head to brawl. 70 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,840 Like how? Hey, hey, Charlie. 71 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,440 Because the cattle Scandi. A lot. 72 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:30,920 Skull. Skull. 73 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:32,480 Yeah. Wow. 74 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,200 So that was kind of in the in your sort of pseudo Swedish. 75 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,120 Yeah, because obviously, as you know, whenever I go to Sweden or 76 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,400 hang out with Swedish people, all my accent changes and I 77 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:46,040 start kind of talking a little bit like up and down, Hey 78 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,720 Charlie, let's get the snooze like. 79 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,240 And I'm, I can't just be like, yeah, yeah, I think about that a 80 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,360 lot. I'm like, I think about that a 81 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,240 lot. Wow. 82 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:55,720 So anyway you. Sorry. 83 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,160 OK, So yeah. And that imagine yourself in 84 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,760 that zone, you personally imagine you with a Swedish 85 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,440 accent rattling around your head, me with actually a much 86 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,400 stronger Scottish accent. And I think just to help your 87 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,080 visual of me, because I would sort of describe what you were 88 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,360 doing. I kind of had, I think I'd sort 89 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,880 of tried to dye my hair hair silver, but it was sort of a 90 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,399 kind of gross yellowy blonde that I put loads of silver 91 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,760 shampoo in. And I kind of had bluey sort of 92 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,560 marbled almost tips. Yeah. 93 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,680 But no, no, I don't think it was. 94 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,240 I think it was bad. And and then anyway, I, I was 95 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,600 sort of front row of your midday slot, but that actually was the 96 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,320 only, that was the only row. There wasn't about 50 people in 97 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,000 the crowd, but obviously people that got it the you were early. 98 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,160 I was, I was, yeah. It's hard being ahead, as a wise 99 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,920 woman once said. So yeah, it saw that, and then 100 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,160 it wasn't till much later that we actually met. 101 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,720 I think we actually met at Caroline Polischek's birthday 102 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,160 party at the Cow in Notting Hill. 103 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:05,800 There were a lot of welk welks and dishes and trays and are. 104 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:06,880 You sure you didn't have a single? 105 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,800 Will I didn't have a welk. Did George have a Welk? 106 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,960 I, I don't know, I, I remember leaving Hungary. 107 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,760 It was what I felt because there were a lot of welks and there it 108 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,000 was. It was just a lot of like 109 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,920 crustaceans and which is not my like MO especially on like a hot 110 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,640 day upstairs at the Cow in Notting Hill. 111 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,760 Like it was sweaty in there. It was warm and there were a lot 112 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:28,920 of welks. Anyways I. 113 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,280 Kind of actually I think I was quite well fed, but The thing is 114 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:34,280 I've got quite a strong stomach so I can really. 115 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,800 Right now, yeah, Yeah. Yeah, I can muscle in. 116 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,400 Yeah. Pardon the fun. 117 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:40,000 Oh. Yeah. 118 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,960 So that's where I feel like we first met. 119 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,880 But I was obviously like, very aware of your work. 120 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,560 Oh yeah, of course, from before. Because I feel like you've done 121 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,600 a lot with Twigs, You've done a lot with Caroline. 122 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,920 You think I've done something? With Jonathan, it's. 123 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,440 Done stuff with Jonathan. So obviously artists who I, you 124 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,240 know, just like familiar with and like seeing their work a 125 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,960 lot. I always really liked your work 126 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,040 and then we'd we had like almost worked together a few times. 127 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,080 Yeah, it was kind of crash era stuff as well. 128 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,800 I remember actually Imogene, our mutual friend who is your career 129 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,720 director and we've made loads of stuff together. 130 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,680 I remember she actually reached out earlier some for some crash 131 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,800 things. That was before I had like AUS 132 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,920 visa. I won't fully tell this story, 133 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:34,640 but there's that Rolling Stone shoot that didn't happen for a 134 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,480 few reasons. Yeah, but we won't go there. 135 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,000 Well, yeah. Everton didn't like my creative 136 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,720 anyways, I think. Anyways, Anyways, but yeah, no, 137 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,400 I was, I've, I've always been familiar with your work and I 138 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,720 guess when was the first time we worked together? 139 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,840 OK so our first thing we almost do. 140 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:55,320 You know what we almost did? You were texting me and I was 141 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,440 and I remember being like Oh my God Joe the XDX just follow me 142 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,120 and then you DM Ed me and you said could you come and do like 143 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,600 a lyric video for beg for you? Oh yeah. 144 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,800 Really. Check the texts, check the DMS. 145 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,160 Lyric video Why was I? Hanging up, I was literally 146 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,320 like. You were like, no. 147 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,080 Lower tier? I was about to jump at the 148 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,920 chance. Lyric video. 149 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,600 Oh. Sorry, no, it's OK. 150 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,120 Didn't kind of see the potential at that point and and then 151 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,760 proper first time was we did our. 152 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,240 Favorite brand? We did an amazing shoot that 153 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,040 honestly felt like an editorial. Sorry. 154 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,760 We did an amazing shoot for the for famed European retailer 155 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,360 Zelando. I'd do it again actually. 156 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:43,800 I'd do it again. Do you know what it? 157 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Was fun. We got to do what we did. 158 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:51,360 We went to Berlin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 159 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,640 Went to Berlin, period. Period. 160 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,000 And and we had like we had an amazing, a lot of amazing set, 161 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,080 set designer called Steph. Yeah, she said she did a 162 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,600 fantastic job where we had a hole in the floor and your scarf 163 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,160 goes into the goes into the hole. 164 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,120 We had a big sort of sort of burning backdrop behind you. 165 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,600 Who did you say you looked like when he did that photo? 166 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,360 Remember, it was like you had a kind of collared. 167 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,120 Shirt Oh, Samuel peeps Samuel, you said. 168 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,120 Samuel, mother fucking peeps. I didn't know who it was and I 169 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,280 had to Google and it was like, oh. 170 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,800 And I do. You will, yes. 171 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,240 Giving Samuel. You kind of loot Samuel Peepage. 172 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,039 And it was a really fun time. And we, we bonded and we went, 173 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:34,440 oh, we're connected. Yeah. 174 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,640 We yeah, Yeah. And then it was a few months 175 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:42,280 later and you messaged me and said, hey, got a song. 176 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:47,560 And then so that it was more encrypted, as in safer, A safer 177 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:49,600 message. You sent me 360 on WhatsApp. 178 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,600 Yeah. And there and I went. 179 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,480 This is a mental song. Yeah. 180 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,120 I'm so Gabriette. Or I'm. 181 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Well, that's actually not what it is, is that? 182 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,280 Fucksake you're call me Gabriette. 183 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,040 You're so inspired. Yeah, shit that. 184 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,920 Roll that back. Fake fan, whatever. 185 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,680 No, but you know, you know what's actually really 186 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:12,320 interesting to go back to the Zelando shoot. 187 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,640 Sorry, yes, I didn't mean to move on from that. 188 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,520 So no, no. Yeah, I mean. 189 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,160 Sorry, sorry. So much to unpack. 190 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:24,440 There main event main event no. You mentioned the scarf going 191 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,880 into the hole in the ground. So just to like explain like 192 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,320 this image, it's like I'm in like a very, very long scarf and 193 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,920 I'm in a room, I'm sat on the floor of the bedroom and there's 194 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,680 a hole in the floor of the bedroom. 195 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:39,360 And the scarf that I'm wearing like kind of drapes into the 196 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:46,800 hole in the ground. And that was like when I knew I 197 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,760 was like, oh, you have like a humour that I have. 198 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,240 What are you thinking? Yeah, we we that specific image. 199 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,160 Well, it's just like, like, I think it's, it's hard to find, 200 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,480 at least I find that it's hard to find like a creative 201 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,280 collaborator who's like, willing to kind of like risk being silly 202 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,600 and like kind of surreal and ridiculous. 203 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:14,280 But also, you know, think that that actually is kind of high 204 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,040 art as well as the Lando shoes. Yeah. 205 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,040 High art You're you're like interested in like playing with 206 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,240 like like stupidness, but in a way that's also actually really 207 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,800 beautiful. And I think that actually like 208 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,640 that kind of a thing. Those kind of images have has 209 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,640 become like a pretty big part of our dialogue as collaborators 210 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,880 because I think we are both into beauty and we're both into 211 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,640 emotion. But at the same time, we can 212 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:49,960 also, you know, like, do these, like, really stupid, ridiculous, 213 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,480 like surreal, funny, dumb things and mix them into the work. 214 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,000 Like, for example, like in the 360 video, I have to, like, 215 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,560 smash through a wall. Yeah. 216 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:02,560 You know, and yeah. All of it's dumb as hell. 217 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,600 Dumb, but there there is. Also you're. 218 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,720 Just of a man on a Gurney. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 219 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,120 yeah, yeah. It's like there's just, I don't 220 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,000 know, I, I really, I think it's really charming. 221 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,840 It's what I really like about our work together, that we can 222 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,240 make something beautiful. But there is also just this like 223 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,960 ridiculousness to it, you know, that's. 224 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,320 Really cool to hear. That's how I yeah. 225 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,040 And I find that a lot with like a lot of your, your images 226 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:35,800 actually like with I, I think it's the Billy Rolling Stone 227 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,040 one. Is she in like a hot harness? 228 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Yeah, she's like being a stunt woman, basically. 229 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,360 Yeah. And I just think, I don't know 230 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,240 that there's something sort of like funny about that, but I 231 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,560 think it's, it's sort of, yeah, it's like surreal. 232 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:52,440 That makes me really, I mean, I think you're, I've never, I've 233 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,840 never articulated like that. It's really cool to hear you say 234 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,600 that because I do think that's also what really draws me to 235 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,520 your work or your identity as an artist and all the things that 236 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,680 you put out, because it's a combination of taking it 237 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:06,920 seriously and done seriously. Yeah. 238 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,680 Well, and there's like a yeah, there's just this humour, I 239 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:13,840 think to both of us. But also we're we're also very 240 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:20,240 like obsessed with the Internet and with culture and which is 241 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,560 inherently like stupid, dumb and funny, but also very, very 242 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,320 profound and like feeding so much of life in a way. 243 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,880 And it's sort of like, I don't know, I think we're both kind of 244 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,920 obsessed with that. I think so too, and I feel like 245 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,160 I trained my eye or output on things like Tumblr. 246 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,400 So it was like the way that this combination of kind of lowbrow 247 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,920 stuff and highbrow stuff and it being stupid, but also being 248 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,200 extremely sincere and it being all these things at once. 249 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,960 And like not not filtering too much, just allowing all of it's 250 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,120 kind of come in, compute and then spit something out. 251 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,080 Is that was there something like that for you when you were 252 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,720 starting to make music or make art or whatever that? 253 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,880 Yeah, of course. I mean, I remember when I went 254 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,960 to art school, I went to Slade and I dropped out after a year 255 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,560 because, well, I kind of sucked. I don't know if you've seen my 256 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:14,040 fine art. Listen the the sort of morph 257 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,680 suit multi coloured like. No, no, that was that. 258 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,840 Oh, that was before. That's what got me in. 259 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,800 Oh, wow. Like Slade is kind of like, in 260 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,720 ways quite like a classical school. 261 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,720 And I was not at all making work. 262 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,040 Would they not into it when? You were, No, they weren't like 263 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,320 not into it. I just I found it really hard 264 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,960 because I was someone who at art school was like, I love of Andy 265 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:44,600 Warhol, you know, and everybody was like, OK, you fucking lose 266 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,600 that. You know, it was in the eyes, 267 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,080 right, right. You know, it was like, oh, 268 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,680 you're like a basic. Right. 269 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:52,680 It's like, yeah, heard of us. And I was like. 270 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, totally. 271 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:59,360 You know, but I, I think like to go back to what you were saying 272 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,760 about like the high, low and things like that. 273 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,080 It's like, I was always really fascinated with like that world 274 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,760 of like the factory and the characters within it. 275 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,600 And like that kind of time in in New York and the way that like 276 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,560 product was being created at the same time as art, art and 277 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,840 commerce as we're like very obsessed with talking about. 278 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:30,480 And I think like for me, you know, when I was first started 279 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,920 making music and making videos, like whatever I was doing, it's 280 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:40,560 like as same as you, like I was kind of growing up on Tumblr and 281 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,040 on the Internet on Myspace. And I think there is like an 282 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:53,360 equivalent of that kind of like grabbing for images and party 283 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:59,520 culture and lifestyle and people via the Internet in the same way 284 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,040 that like that era of time, like the factory era, it was kind of 285 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,320 about like persona and going out and making art and like 286 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,080 obviously 2 completely different things. 287 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,760 I was sat at home on my computer trying to like feed myself. 288 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:19,440 But I think that kind of like ingestion of like persona and 289 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,040 partying and art and fun kind of all became such a part of my 290 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,800 language. I think that's why, you know, 291 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,600 the, the kind of factory thing or party culture or any of these 292 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,720 things, it feels like it's vital or it's timely and it's in 293 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,400 conversation with the world around. 294 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,680 And that's maybe this little work that we really like as 295 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,080 well. We really respond to I. 296 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:45,320 Think that we both gravitate towards work that like comments 297 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:51,280 on how work is made. I think we're both really into 298 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,600 meta stuff, which is like why you like, love Kaufman and like 299 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,320 whatever, you know, it's like. Like when a song knows it's a 300 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,360 song, Or like when a film knows it's a film. 301 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,120 You know what I mean? And actually kind of why. 302 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,560 Like when a photo knows it's a photo. 303 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,560 Do you enjoy being a voyeur as like a photographer and a 304 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,920 director? Because you don't really have 305 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,160 voyeur vibes like you don't. Yeah, most like for 306 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,160 photographers and directors are like, Oh yeah, perverts. 307 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,240 Yeah. Yeah. 308 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,800 Not to generalise, but I. Mean no. 309 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,520 Horniness and obviously it's like. 310 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:27,520 That's not Yeah, exactly. Not yet. 311 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,360 Well, not who knows what could happen on the Twitter for a 312 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,800 podcast. It could get really. 313 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,800 No, no, no, guys, it's so blushing. 314 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,040 No, I actually think one of the main things that that I find 315 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,480 appealing and making work, particularly when it's in 316 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,640 collaboration with someone else is actually that storytelling 317 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,000 element. I don't think of myself or I 318 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,840 don't see myself as a director or a photographer where it's 319 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,000 like this is my world. I want people to fit into, you 320 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,120 know what I mean? And like some some photographers 321 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,880 and directors that I really love to admire do operate like that 322 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,800 and it's cool and they have that, but it's the kind of not 323 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,760 the way that I think. So actually really I think my 324 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,359 favorite part is being kind of collaborative. 325 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,280 Yeah. Being in collaboration and being 326 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,040 like being able to like kind of find a, a story and do it 327 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,800 justice or whatever, you know? Yeah, I will say like you are a 328 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,920 really good collaborator. Like I love collaborating with 329 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,640 you. I know I can be a bit like crazy 330 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,000 sometimes. I don't think you are. 331 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,359 I actually really don't think you are. 332 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,640 You let me like, do what I need to do, you know, like if I'm 333 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,280 having a tantrum or Yeah, well, don't nod so quickly. 334 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,200 I mean, preemptively, I would let you have a tantrum and kind 335 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,480 of what that norm is about, but you've never done that. 336 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,320 You're really good with people actually, and I think I actually 337 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,680 think that's why so many people, whether it be like Timothy or 338 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,880 Billy or fucking, I don't know, like me, Pink Panther, like all 339 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,000 of these different people that you've worked with, I feel like 340 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:04,800 you, I don't know, you really like bring out like really great 341 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,440 things and people and it makes people want to work with you 342 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:14,560 again, like, and I think you also develop really different 343 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,320 languages with different people. Like obviously you've worked, 344 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,920 you've been working a lot with Timothy and I feel like your 345 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,040 language with him is like really different from like our language 346 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,960 together. And I think that's that's really 347 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,360 special and cool. To hear that. 348 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:33,480 Thank you. Are you gonna make more movies? 349 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,320 Obviously you've got one with me. 350 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,360 Yeah, I, which we should probably talk about, but let's 351 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:40,320 just talk about the other. Ones the other ones first I OK, 352 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,600 so I. Are there others? 353 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,560 Obviously we have ideas. I've not got any mother movies 354 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,840 right now to do. No, but like you gonna. 355 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:48,760 Yeah. Oh, 100%. 356 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,320 I mean, hey, if we talk a little bit about how this came into 357 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,560 being, it was like, you know, we obviously I I felt like I found 358 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,320 a really, I mean, like an extremely important collaborator 359 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,720 in my life and, and art and all these things. 360 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,440 And obviously, I think we both really felt that way. 361 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,760 And, you know, we had kind of spoken even briefly about like, 362 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,400 oh, we should maybe make a film together because, you know, that 363 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,440 was the direction you knew you were headed in. 364 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,800 And I think it's something that I making films is like something 365 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,520 that I maybe had hoped to do at some point in my life. 366 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:22,640 I. Actually wondered that if that 367 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,160 was like. In do you know what I think I 368 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:31,440 spent my I spent most of my life and like my career so far being 369 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:37,560 pretty reactive to what what the things that were thrown at me. 370 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,120 And I really, I'm really glad I've been like that. 371 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:46,440 I've not had a clear plan of action because I think that 372 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,880 feels unreasonable. In the world we live in, things 373 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,080 change constantly. And I don't have any sort of 374 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,280 specific, like, filmmaker heroes or people that I'd be like, oh, 375 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,320 that's the life. Exactly. 376 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,760 I want to have bloody film. Yeah. 377 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,440 You know, I watched some of them. 378 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,240 I loved Marty Supreme. Yeah. 379 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,560 Well done, Timmy. Big fans. 380 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,920 And I remember, OK, you know what, when I was like when I was 381 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,400 a teenager, I remember feeling like. 382 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,040 I I sort of made a decision to be like anything that was 383 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,520 distracting me is the thing that would, I would try and make my 384 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,280 main focus so that I, I was like, well, if I'm distracted by 385 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,080 obviously I care about it more. And then that's kind of a, 386 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,800 that's why, yeah. I kind of rule of thumb that I 387 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,000 sort of gave myself generally, yeah. 388 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,640 And it honestly resulted in like me doing all this. 389 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,200 So I've been a. Yeah, an amazing distraction. 390 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,040 Whatever kind of pulled my focus, I think became I just 391 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,920 like let let that be my focus. And the reason I maybe look 392 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,480 towards the idea of doing a film at some point in my life, 393 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,360 because it felt like it was a way to sort of really pin down 394 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,840 an idea and and really see it through from like start to 395 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,040 finish and in a really full way. And that's why I like, love the 396 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,680 idea of staying in this medium, you know, and that's not to say 397 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,000 I'm not going to continue to be distracted or yeah. 398 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,960 Or find other things like, you know, I, I, I do feel really 399 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,600 excited by the say, for example, the work I've done with Timothy. 400 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,800 For context, Timothy and I made a lot of stuff that's sort of in 401 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,320 support of the films that he puts out, but they're sort of 402 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,040 specific weird little capsules. Or like, it's really. 403 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,960 Cool that he's game for that. Yeah, it's because I think 404 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,160 that's kind of rare. Yeah, I remember when I saw your 405 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,040 Marty Ping Pong. Video firing Pongs at Timmy's 406 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,640 head. Yeah, I I remember being like, 407 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,880 oh, this is kind of like feels like an album roll out. 408 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:40,360 And I don't think that that happens too much in film. 409 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,600 And that's one thing that I've been really like super 410 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,920 interested in with our film. It's like, I don't know, it's 411 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,120 like, well, why would we? Just Obviously there's so much 412 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,560 more like protection around film. 413 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,720 I think in, in, in a way, like, you know, with music, it's like 414 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,280 everything leaks all the time. It's almost sort of a part of 415 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,360 like the law of something like people waiting for the leaks and 416 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,760 you know. Do you like leaks? 417 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,200 I used to hate them and now I don't care. 418 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,960 Right, right. Because I think it's it's like 419 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,560 fine. It's like, I don't actually 420 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,520 think it like does a disservice. I think it just like amplifies 421 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,320 noise. So I kind of think it's cool. 422 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,520 But I think with with film, there is still sort of a bit of 423 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:24,120 a old school format to you know, how to release something and how 424 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:27,280 to roll something out. And that's why I think like what 425 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,760 you and Timothy have done at different, you know, throughout 426 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,960 different films, whether it be like the Dylan movie or with 427 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,360 Marty, I think it really like punctuates the landscape and it 428 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,800 feels like something just different and cool and pop. 429 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,920 It's like. Pop cool. 430 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,320 I'm so glad because that also I think that's also part. 431 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,360 I feel like that's why we really connect because you're you are 432 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,400 specifically also really interested in or correct me if 433 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,120 I'm wrong, but interested in not just like being an artist, but 434 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:58,840 what it means to be an artist and what the industry feels like 435 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,120 or what you can do in that space. 436 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:05,880 Film is kind of this, you know, it's, it's this very traditional 437 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,440 medium. Maybe I don't want to say that 438 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,200 it's like, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a medium which is 439 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,160 like established. And there are, as you said, 440 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,440 there are ways of, of ruling things out and the idea of 441 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,560 basically doing something new or doing something fresh is really 442 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,720 exciting. So I mean, to answer your 443 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,080 earlier question, I'd love to keep making films because you 444 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,560 get to do it in this really full way. 445 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,080 But do you, do you feel the same way? 446 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:32,320 Do you feel like you are excited to to use film as a new way to 447 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:39,240 express your? Yeah, I mean, I like, I feel, I 448 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:45,000 feel like not, I mean at the end of last year, I I felt like not 449 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:50,080 super inspired by. I remember you saying. 450 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,080 I remember you saying, yeah, I'm. 451 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,040 Just it's like. You were almost like I'm done. 452 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,800 I'm done. I'm glad you're not. 453 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,120 You've made music. I've made music, yeah, but I it 454 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,360 took a second and, and to be fair, it always does. 455 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,160 After a record, I'm like, I'm done. 456 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,960 I'm never making music again. But this time it felt really 457 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:12,680 like, oh, like, I don't understand, like what music is. 458 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,200 Really it's. Just like. 459 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,400 You felt like you. There was nothing. 460 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,920 I was just like, this feels a little like, yeah, interesting. 461 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,360 I couldn't like get the juice. I couldn't like, I was like, I 462 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,920 don't know. I was just kind of like, I don't 463 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,000 feel particularly like music is like doing it for me right now. 464 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,440 It doesn't feel dangerous. You don't feel like it was your. 465 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,040 Whole career, I think it. Felt. 466 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,000 That's the first time you'd felt that way. 467 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,520 I think, yeah, I think in the past I had always felt that 468 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,520 music was like, volatile and dangerous for me, you know, like 469 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,280 I could get my highs and lows from it and my kind of like, 470 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,040 adrenaline rushes and things like that. 471 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,000 And then I was kind of like, oh, everything feels pretty flat. 472 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,360 Everything feels pretty safe. Like I wasn't feeling 473 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:09,440 particularly challenged by much. And so I think that's when I 474 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,840 kind of began. I mean, even prior to that, I 475 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,200 already was sort of leaning into like acting things. 476 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,120 But I think at that point I was like, yeah, I really, I'm not 477 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,600 really going to focus on like making music right now. 478 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,840 You want to find some that adrenaline. 479 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,280 The adrenaline, yeah. So is that kind of being your 480 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,360 driving force a lot of the time when you're making stuff? 481 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,000 Yeah, I think so. Well, I think my, my driving 482 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,040 force in life is to never be bored. 483 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,080 Yeah. Like, I talk about my it with my 484 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,440 therapist all the time. It's like the second I have to 485 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,800 like, sit in something. I mean, you're a bit like. 486 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,080 Yeah, we really are similar in that. 487 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,560 Except you don't like to be alone. 488 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,480 I actually do like to be alone. You can't really be alone. 489 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,800 You're always like, hello, where are you? 490 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,080 Yeah, like I'm alone, you know? Yeah, Otherwise it don't exist. 491 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,840 Yeah, yeah, totally. No one sees me. 492 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,400 No one sees the performance. Look at me. 493 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,440 I know, but I I think for me it's like the second I feel 494 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,000 bored. You. 495 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,640 Feel dead. Yeah. 496 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,080 Had you always been like that? Yeah. 497 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,720 Oh my God. I mean, it is also a problem. 498 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,640 It's like I have to work on it. Like I, I have to work on it. 499 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,520 I had to really work on it, especially in relationships, you 500 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,000 know? And so like with George, it's 501 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,160 like, I've really like, I found my person who I'm like, 502 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,440 actually, I can be like really calm and really still with you 503 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,280 because stillness with George isn't boring. 504 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,800 It's actually really fun. And other things I'm like. 505 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,600 Yeah, it's true because I have a really similar thing. 506 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,840 I have a really similar. It's honestly a formal for life 507 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,120 in general. Yeah, yeah. 508 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,240 A general fear of missing out and kind of wanting to like kind 509 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,680 of see as much as possible. It's that want to. 510 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,840 Why would you not? Like, why would you not try? 511 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,760 Yeah, I think it's like, it's also like sometimes it can be 512 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,720 humiliating because if you suck, you know, But you know what? 513 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,600 I'm like, that's actually a risk I'm willing to take. 514 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,600 I'm fine. I'm willing to take the risk 515 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,760 because everything's embarrassing anyway. 516 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,800 As Sky Ferrera, she once she really hit. 517 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:09,800 The. Nail on the bloody head. 518 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,600 Oh yeah. Well, I'm so like fuck it 519 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,200 because. You know what? 520 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,360 I actually felt really bored as a child. 521 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:16,400 A lot. I felt me. 522 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,760 Too. Yeah, I think me too, right. 523 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,960 We're backing some stuff now. I felt really, really bored 524 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:23,960 because I get out. Because you were like suburban, 525 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,760 like a suburban countryside child. 526 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,840 Yeah. And so was I. 527 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,880 I was like very close to the M11 roundabout. 528 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,880 Oh wow. Well then, come on, you weren't 529 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,520 bored. You had so many cars to look 530 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,680 spinning around it. Was there's one down? 531 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,160 I didn't live on the M11 roundabout. 532 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,840 All right, shit now. Right in the middle. 533 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,760 But anyways, yeah, I don't know. What? 534 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,960 Yeah, but sorry, being a suburban kind of bored. 535 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,200 Teenager. Yeah, yeah. 536 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:53,520 And, and The thing is, you know, I was actually talking to, I 537 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,800 spoke with, with Jack Antonoff about this. 538 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,440 It's like he was like in New Jersey. 539 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,120 He's a similar boards teenager. Well, yeah, he but he. 540 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:07,480 But The thing is, it's like it was like New York was just over 541 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,520 the hill. Like it's not actually that far 542 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,320 away. And that was the same, same 543 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,600 thing with me. It was like London was actually 544 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,440 not that far. Like you could kind of see it in 545 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,000 your peripheral vision. Like it was like so close you 546 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,600 could almost reach out and touch it. 547 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,480 And that in a way it was almost like that drove the dry that 548 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,960 drove. Yeah, you were like. 549 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,400 Almost there. There was the drive was so there 550 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,600 to get to go because it wasn't actually like super far away. 551 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,720 And I think like, for me as well, like, you know, going back 552 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,840 to like, the Internet, like, I was watching so much stuff 553 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,160 happening in London online. Like nuke them all, Yeah, cool. 554 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,800 Did you guys say nuke them all? I. 555 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,480 Went to two. I played at two kind of towards 556 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,400 the end. Whoa. 557 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,680 And you were like 15? Yeah. 558 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,640 That went with my parents. Did you OK? 559 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,720 Did you feel like when you'd done that, was that you're like, 560 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,000 I've done what I've been dreaming of doing? 561 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,840 I was like, did you feel that? Yeah, I was like, oh, I'm cool. 562 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,000 Just for clarity, Newcomall was like a club night, very sort of 563 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,480 like new rave. Yeah, to define new rave, it's a 564 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,600 lot of like, like like plastic shutter shadesy. 565 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,120 Yeah. Teapot necklace situations. 566 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,000 Is that you? I had a teapot necklace, yeah. 567 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,600 No way. Yeah, big way right made. 568 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,440 And the necklace was like made out of ribbons. 569 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,280 And then you might like wear a cone on your hair. 570 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,400 It's kind of almost like there's a, kind of like a accessorizing 571 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,720 American Apparel vibe to it. Exactly. 572 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,600 Bright neon colour. It felt very like, like 573 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,000 disposable. Yeah. 574 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,240 Primarky. So I think they like no. 575 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,520 And I don't. Know I think they know like what 576 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,520 new rave is. No. 577 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,480 Who? Who's that? 578 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,200 I don't know. What? 579 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,080 Who's? Listening. 580 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,840 Who's listening? Well, that's the thing, I'm just 581 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,560 sort of doing it for like just my mum. 582 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,240 I give my mum's. Watch. 583 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,840 Yeah, my mum too. Yeah, good point. 584 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,720 My mum's definitely going to watch. 585 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,800 Oh yeah. Oh, my dad definitely watch. 586 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,480 Do your parents like, are they, do they engage? 587 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,840 They don't have Instagram, OK. But they do, my mum does. 588 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,680 She told me she googles me, which is actually really fun. 589 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,600 Well she have Google alerts on. I don't think she's mum. 590 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,720 Do you know how to do that? I don't think she knows, right? 591 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,800 Maybe I don't want to doubt her, you know, media literacy or 592 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,680 Google Googling skills. But she is. 593 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,160 Wait, I have a funny thing. Sorry, Sean Price Williams told 594 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,160 me that he has Google Alerts on for us. 595 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,600 Isn't that so sweet? Well, it's actually more me than 596 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,640 you, but I thought that was quite sweet. 597 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,480 I also, I don't know if he was lying. 598 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,200 He could have been lying to, well, that's. 599 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,640 Really. That's really sweet. 600 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,120 I, I don't have, I don't think she's got Google Earth on, but 601 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,240 that's how she's sort of keeping up. 602 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120 So she'll mention, you know, that my mum watched the guest 603 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,000 music video. And. 604 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,840 She said. She said this takes some getting 605 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:58,320 used to. But you know, I think my mum was 606 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,600 kind of, there's a lot of kind of underwear being ripped off 607 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,960 and I think it was actually very open minded of her to say great, 608 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,760 great stuff you got going on there. 609 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,440 Then we've got to do real. But yeah, I, I feel similarly 610 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,960 like being being bored as a teenager. 611 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:18,120 I had no real frame of reference for like what what you could do 612 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,120 as a job or what was feasible or what was like what's in school. 613 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,880 Well, I think is really cool about you, almost like knowing 614 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,000 as a 15 year old, I mean I. Didn't I Didn't really know. 615 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,040 I I wasn't. Going for it, maybe that's what 616 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,280 I mean, Like going for it as a 14 year old. 617 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,160 It's very cool to be that unembarrassed, you know what I 618 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,960 mean? As a teenager. 619 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,440 Yeah, but also, don't you think like, I mean, I'm a bit older 620 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,560 than you, obviously. You're 13 hours older, yeah. 30 621 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,480 now that we're in 2026. Yes, exactly. 622 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,840 And did you make it into the list? 623 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,040 The list of 29 directors who are 29. 624 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,240 Yeah, Did you? Well, do you know what, in 625 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,000 theory I finished, we finished the film when I was 29, right? 626 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,280 But unfortunately. But you can still be in 30 under 627 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,320 30. Do you know what? 628 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,040 Because you're 30. They did they? 629 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,120 What did you say? No, not. 630 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,800 That's bad. But I was like, I was kind of 631 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,720 about like, it's too much about money. 632 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,960 Right. That I just didn't want to 633 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,360 present myself as an entrepreneur. 634 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,400 Well, they asked, they asked me to like apply and I, I just like 635 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,960 don't want to be an entrepreneur. 636 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,880 Cool. Which is, you know. 637 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:37,160 I that's cool. But when I was 14, there was, so 638 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,400 there was, there was just a lot less embarrassment in general 639 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,200 because even though obviously it was like we were all documenting 640 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,680 ourselves on the Internet, whether that be like Myspace or 641 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,720 MSN or Bebo or whatever, it was sort of like it was different. 642 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,280 The word is now. Didn't really. 643 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,520 No, no, I don't remember thinking. 644 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,000 I was so cringe. Yeah, like good. 645 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,200 And and yeah, thank God. Like, thank God. 646 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,840 But it's like, you know, it's like it's, it's just so 647 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,480 different now. Like I, I remember when I first 648 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,040 heard about Billy Eilish. Yeah. 649 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,160 And she how old? I mean, what she was like 14 650 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,040 when she blew up. Like maybe yeah, I I something 651 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,360 like that, right. I just, I just remember being 652 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,920 like, wow, this is a girl who has so much taste. 653 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,120 Yeah, yeah. Genuinely. 654 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,440 Yeah, yeah. Like so much taste like really 655 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,560 knows how to like compile an image and. 656 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,240 Have a point of view and have a. Point of view and and and it's 657 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,080 really like well thought out and solid. 658 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,040 And, you know, then I think about me when I was 14 and my 659 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,560 God, it's so. It was so. 660 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,400 But but I didn't have, I didn't have this. 661 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,920 And I'm not saying that This is why Billy's work. 662 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,640 It was like that. Like, honestly, she really just 663 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,000 does have great tastes. Yeah, I think so. 664 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,360 But like when I was 14, I didn't have, like, the parameters of 665 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,840 embarrassment to keep me from doing insane stuff. 666 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,000 Like I feel like when you're when you're thinking about like 667 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:13,840 what the way things could be received or the commentary 668 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,920 around your work, it, it definitely makes you like think 669 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,639 twice about stuff. Like for example, when I play a 670 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:25,199 demo to someone that I haven't played it played for before, 671 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,120 like I'm suddenly when I'm sitting listening to the song, 672 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,440 playing it to a friend, suddenly I hear the song on a different 673 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,560 night. I'm like, Oh my God, what are 674 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,320 they thinking about now? They're thinking about this. 675 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,560 Wait, that lyric was really lame. 676 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,199 But like, when I was 14 and like, dressing up and taking 677 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,800 pictures of myself and like making music, I wasn't thinking 678 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,199 about that at all. There was like a freedom. 679 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,639 And that's an audience in your hand. 680 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:50,560 No, and that's why a lot of it is really cringe. 681 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,639 That's why I made a song called I Want to Be Darth Vader or 682 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,800 Dinosaur Sex. So amazing. 683 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,240 Do you know those songs? Yeah. 684 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,480 T Rex dinosaur sex. Yeah, I obviously got there. 685 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,800 Watch me roll, watch me roll, watch me be like a dinosaur 686 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,000 It's. So cool. 687 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,720 It's so cool. You're 15. 688 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,640 I had. A story So I was 1414. 689 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,080 Years a lot crazy. It's like a bit, do you know 690 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,240 what I mean? Like that is a bit mad. 691 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,760 That is bonkers. But it is no shame that you do, 692 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,280 no. Shame, that is so exciting. 693 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,120 I would on stage, I would like, I'd be like going like that, 694 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,360 like folly, insane. And I was wearing like old shoes 695 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,360 and I had like bones in my hair. Yeah, it was like totally 696 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,880 embarrassing. I had. 697 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,360 No, I was just like. This is great. 698 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,920 I really wish I was able to completely murder the any idea 699 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,000 of like an audience inside my head at any point. 700 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,640 Do you know what I mean? So. 701 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,400 Do you are you thinking about an audience? 702 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,320 I. Are more just the thing that you 703 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,480 said like when you start to imagine you start to like really 704 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,720 project things into when people are experiencing your stuff. 705 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,440 Sometimes it's helpful. It's funny when you say that 706 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,120 thing about a demo or like playing a demo to someone and 707 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,600 you suddenly hear it completely differently. 708 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,920 It's like now when we when we were making the film, it was 709 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,120 like anytime, anytime I had to watch an edit the whole way 710 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,040 through, I wasn't really able to watch it alone. 711 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,200 I had to bring a new person in completely. 712 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,480 You see things or you feel things, whatever that you've 713 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,280 never felt before, you've never noticed before, or whatever, 714 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,360 remember. The first time I saw it I was 715 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,480 like, why are you looking at me? Just tell the fuck out. 716 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,960 Well, you know. And I'd be like and you'd be 717 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,600 like. I'd see where your eyes widened. 718 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,080 No true. I mean nightmare experience to 719 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,360 watch this film with me. I'd have to say for anyone that 720 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,120 had to do it, I'd go to you. Great, thanks. 721 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,200 It is horrible because obviously the vibe would be kind of like I 722 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,200 had like press play on it and I kind of set like this the whole 723 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,240 time. Do you should say the name of 724 00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,920 our film? Oh, God, yeah. 725 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,640 It's called sorry. The moment. 726 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,960 Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it. 727 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,240 That's. It I don't think we need to like 728 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,360 say anything else about it. No, just watch it. 729 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,360 It's. Fine, Yeah, well, hopefully. 730 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,920 Oh my God, If you guys don't like it, there's there's. 731 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,600 Only 100 people watching. This all our friends OK, Thanks 732 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,600 guys. I think they I think they were 733 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,720 that I this is my prediction, right? 734 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,400 I feel like when. It's only aware of the audience. 735 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,360 When this comes what we're talking about, then we're being 736 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,640 better. We're just talking about it now 737 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,280 we're going to talk about it. My thought is when this comes 738 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,640 out, that's sort of like, I mean, I don't even want to like 739 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,640 be too generous. When you say this comes out this 740 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,160 podcast, podcast. Video. 741 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,440 I don't even know where this goes. 742 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,200 Whatever, when this comes out I reckon there'll be 5000 people 743 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,440 who are like interested in it and then I think after the 1st 5 744 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,040 minutes there'll be a huge drop. Off Wow, I've got. 745 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,240 Some and then I think maybe like 100 people will stay to the end, 746 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:37,600 I think because we're like banging on like La La la. 747 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,760 Yeah, I I have a different theory. 748 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,000 I have a different theory. I think, I think more than 5000, 749 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,760 all of them get the analytics back a 24. 750 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,960 I think it will be top to bottom because we'll add in like 751 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,880 explosion sounds right, That's cool. 752 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,000 And sort of it's going to. Be when you do that. 753 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:57,840 Right. Like some ticking time and stuff 754 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,920 like that, Things that drive up tension. 755 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,560 You know what else I actually think? 756 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:07,080 I think actually maybe like even less than 5000 people will watch 757 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,040 this because actually what will happen is there'll be some clips 758 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,480 that appear on TikTok, keep breaking the 4th 1:00 and then 759 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,840 people will just watch them instead. 760 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,760 Oh, they were funny there. Let's put that up. 761 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,800 On I have a skewed perspective because I've watched all of your 762 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,840 interviews, like in full, right? Yeah, every podcast. 763 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,640 I really like the Emma Chamberlain one. 764 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,360 Yeah, that was a really good one. 765 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,400 Yeah, they're all great. I really like the one you did 766 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,960 with that. There was a lady talking to you 767 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,040 and you're on a stage, you know, a big white dress on. 768 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,400 Oh, that was Wow. You watched that? 769 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,920 That was was that for resident advisor? 770 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,320 Yes. Yeah, I also thought that was. 771 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,320 I thought she. Was I thought I was OK? 772 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,920 Well, I thought. Yes, I mean like she allowed you 773 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,920 to be amazing. I thought it was quite funny in 774 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,600 that. Yeah, you. 775 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,280 Were great. I thought you were really 776 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,000 fucking. I felt I felt funny how white 777 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,840 was tiny bit hungover. See, like today. 778 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,600 Are you a bit hungover? And I kind of I didn't because I 779 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,520 mean we. We went out last night. 780 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,120 We kind of went to this sort of like vodka place by the 781 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,800 recommendation of Sean Price Williams. 782 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,640 Russian vodka bar is always. Cool. 783 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,760 Yeah, it was No, because it wasn't that one, because we 784 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,560 wanted to go to that one that was like called some whatever, I 785 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,360 don't know. And show and orders a carafe of 786 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,840 garlic vodka. Disgusting. 787 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,560 Some people are really into it. And horseradish and horseradish 788 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,920 vodka tastes like a Sunday roast. 789 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,840 Yeah. And anyway, I actually didn't. 790 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,360 I felt kind of great this. Morning. 791 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,080 Well, I drank a bottle of wine in in the scene that we were. 792 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,280 Filming. Yeah, and we did offer you up 793 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,440 just like normal fluid, like water or coloured water. 794 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,720 Yeah, but what I like about you is obviously your method. 795 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,400 Exactly. And you meant well, I need to 796 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,000 chug the wine. Or else how you're going to get 797 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,880 the correct kind of, Yeah, you know. 798 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,800 Yeah, I mean, don't put that out there. 799 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,440 What else is going on in your life? 800 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,000 You're such a good interviewer. You're. 801 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,240 Keeping us on track. No, you are. 802 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,080 You are. Steering us to some kind of a 803 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,120 destination. Yeah, I really like this 804 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,280 question. What else going on in my life? 805 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,960 I like that you asked what sort of the future hold do. 806 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,760 You think you'd ever write something and then not direct 807 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,840 it? Or would you be like having a 808 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,160 breakdown about? That I I like. 809 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,400 I like directing. I I like right guys, that's the 810 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,200 script. I really enjoyed writing with 811 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,200 Bertie Bertie Brandeis, who's Co writer of the moment. 812 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,360 You know, the way that we would write would be like setting 813 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,680 together, kind of doing impressions and like yapping and 814 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,520 then writing that down. It feels really like generative 815 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,400 or whatever, but I really enjoy being on set and doing you know. 816 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,800 So no, I mean, I don't know. I don't think, I don't know if I 817 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,440 would write something to to. I think I'd direct other 818 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,080 people's. Writing. 819 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,600 Yeah, I was going to ask that you would if if someone else 820 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,520 wrote you something, you'd. I think so. 821 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,240 Possibly directed? I think so, because that's like 822 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,360 making a music video. Someone else wrote this song. 823 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,280 OK, what about you? Do you think you ever want to? 824 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,960 Obviously you want to act and do more acting, but do you? 825 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,040 Would you ever want to write and direct or anything? 826 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,760 I am writing. Yeah, you are. 827 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,320 You've read the thing, I've read bets. 828 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,400 You read the thing, though. OK, Yeah. 829 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,680 Do you know what I'm talking about? 830 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:07,360 Yeah. Yeah. 831 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:14,560 OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm going to, I'm going to 832 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,920 start writing that like actually like anyways, that's exciting. 833 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,560 You know, you're. Going to and when do you want to 834 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,240 start doing? That I don't I've started. 835 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,720 Oh wow, crazy. I started in 2025. 836 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,920 Wow. And would you want to direct 837 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,840 that or? Not Well, this is the thing I 838 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,400 right now have no interest in directing. 839 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,600 Really. Yeah, I you know what? 840 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:44,920 I actually don't think I have the I know I, I mean I feel like 841 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,360 from watching you work, there is a lot of like instinct and just 842 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,560 taste involved, which I think you have. 843 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:59,440 I do have, but I don't think I have the technical understanding 844 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,080 like you. You understand light very well 845 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,400 and I, I just like really don't like I, I have no idea how to 846 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,400 get a certain look with light. Like I don't understand. 847 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,840 And maybe in, I know that there are some people who just like 848 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,520 work with great teams who can figure that out, but I wouldn't 849 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,880 even understand how to like communicate the language. 850 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,040 I could bring a like a reference, but you know, and I 851 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,320 think stuff like that is like, I think you have such a style 852 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,400 you've really like honed and worked through and like, maybe 853 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,440 if I did, you know, do stuff for long enough, I could find I 854 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,600 think you. Would find it easy genuinely, I 855 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,000 think you would find it easy because it's like watching you 856 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,920 record music with AG and Fenn. It's honestly a very similar 857 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,800 process because it's like even if it's like even if you're 858 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,280 speaking about it in kind of abstract terms, that's like you 859 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,120 also like speaking speaking about it, you know, and I think 860 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:02,560 any technical knowledge that I have of light or photography or 861 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,440 anything like that has I didn't like start with that. 862 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,440 I like, you know, I just kind of kept accumulating or whatever. 863 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,320 But it's really like, you know, I also know people that don't 864 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,440 that direct really well or take photos really well. 865 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,440 They don't have like don't have the kind of technical language 866 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,920 for it. I think it is a technical Yeah. 867 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,720 No, you know, I think you could I. 868 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,160 Yeah, I think, I think I'd be, I'd be very nervous too. 869 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,800 I think I respect directors so much and maybe I even like put 870 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,600 too much response. Yeah, maybe. 871 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,680 But like, I, I think I also, I would just, I would want to, if 872 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,200 I ever did it, I would want to like come at this level that was 873 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,200 like, oh, she's like not coming to play. 874 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,360 Just like have a real fucking like stance, have a fucking 875 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,360 point of view. And like, I think it would take 876 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,320 me a while to like figure out that language visually. 877 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,480 I mean, maybe not, Maybe I. Don't know. 878 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,120 I mean, it's like you've, you've almost like. 879 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:02,720 You know what that other thing is? 880 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,360 Fucking edit my. God, that is that. 881 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,760 Is like what? Like I that, yeah, I think like 882 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:18,280 just logistically, I, I probably could like shoot a film. 883 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,560 Whatever like. I would have to like hone the 884 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,800 language and all that shit, but like the patience, I'm not 885 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,720 patient. I think you would be able to do 886 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:26,560 it, but it's more like you would. 887 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,640 It would be so unenjoyable. Yeah, because you moves. 888 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,840 It's also, again, so interesting thing about the way that you 889 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,800 work or like, you know, when you're recording in Paris. 890 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,720 I was really impressed by how how in a way that I like don't 891 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,760 work of like how instinctive and how quickly you move through 892 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,680 things like when you're making stuff and it was like, say, for 893 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,720 example, for a peek behind the curtain if I'm allowed to. 894 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,360 What I found particularly interesting is that you, AG and 895 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,280 Finn don't really talk necessarily about like the 896 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,880 concept you're trying to achieve that you don't like chat too 897 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,840 much about it. You just straight up do it and 898 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,120 it's really reactive and like someone will make something 899 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,400 someone will like jump off of that You like, alright, you'll 900 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,280 be like sort of there writing something on your phone and 901 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,720 you're like, alright, cool. I think I've got an idea. 902 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,840 Go into the the booth, the microphone area and just do it. 903 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,280 And it's like, and even after that, no one's like talking 904 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,040 about it to trying to over intellectualize what it is, 905 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,800 because all all of the intelligence is in the actual 906 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,760 work. You know, it's like you're like 907 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,720 speaking through the working. Like that's it, which I find 908 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:31,600 really cool actually, and really bold because I'm just like, you 909 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,240 know, I you obviously know me. I love to yap. 910 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,760 And I also know that like when I'm doing something, I'm like 911 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,640 talking about it, even though I think that's helpful for me. 912 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:43,000 And I talk about things so intensely and like this means 913 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,480 this and this means this and this it actually like all of 914 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,080 that. Yapping doesn't necessarily mean 915 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,480 something. Let's find its way into the 916 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,800 thing you know. I rarely, I rarely will go back 917 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,840 and work on a song twice. Really. 918 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,720 Like like, I don't mean, I don't mean like, like we will 919 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,200 obviously we'll yeah, we'll work on the song. 920 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:10,000 But generally speaking, it's like I don't sit and live with 921 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000 something and then be like, oh, actually like I should change 922 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,320 the verse on this. Like a couple of times that's 923 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,560 happened, happened with some of the Wuthering Heights stuff. 924 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:26,600 But like generally speaking, I'm like the most spontaneous idea 925 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,160 is the thing. And whenever I do have to go 926 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,120 back in and finesse stuff, I just find it then it feels a bit 927 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,280 more like work. And so that's why I think for me 928 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,720 with like an edit, obviously you're kind of going in many, 929 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:47,360 many, many times and sort of reshaping and moving. 930 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,440 And that was be really hard for me. 931 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,920 It makes a lot of sense that you are. 932 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,160 So I mean, speaking about like they're not wanting to be bored 933 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,320 or whatever and like as an in a positive way, it's kind of cool 934 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,560 that you're like, oh, running with something while still got 935 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,720 magic or whatever. And actually it's something that 936 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:10,240 I wish that my job allowed for more because it's like, say, for 937 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:13,760 example, I'm like when when we did when we did the music better 938 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,360 forget for guess that's the that is the most condensed timeline I 939 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,360 I will ever be able to get to work on. 940 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,240 You know, like basically receiving a song, thinking of an 941 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:28,080 idea, shooting it and then putting it out in the space of 942 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,200 about a week is crazy mental. No one should ever do it. 943 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,680 I don't recommend that in terms of like making stuff. 944 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,320 Yeah, yeah, you do. I mean, I do actually. 945 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,920 I was, you know, you're it's honestly, yeah, you are right. 946 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,640 I actually loved doing that because it was like, it's what 947 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,000 you're sort of saying of getting to kind of keep that magic 948 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,880 really in it and really have have a kind of sense of 949 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,400 adrenaline with it and it feel really like vital and immediate 950 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,760 or whatever. And. 951 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,480 Yeah, I'm leaving. Right. 952 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,960 Great. Thanks so much for the extra. 953 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,560 So wait, what do we do for the? OK, let's really like quick fire 954 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,880 like. Oh my God, can I ask you a 955 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,360 really fun question? This might take more than five, 956 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,360 who knows? So Bertie actually came up with 957 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,080 a really good game where she said, imagine we are trying to 958 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,040 resurrect you and there's a cauldron and you have to put in 959 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:20,280 four items that would bring you back from the dead. 960 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,040 And you also have to think about what song would be playing and 961 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,680 then so you put in the things. So for example. 962 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,360 I can do yours. You can do mine. 963 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,080 OK, OK. OK. 964 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:31,560 OK. OK. 965 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:31,880 OK. OK. 966 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,400 OK. There's the cauldron. 967 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:44,520 In the cauldron goes a carabina because I know that you really 968 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,960 like them. I think you'd be trying to like 969 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,080 reach for it, model it for them A we'll be reaching for Academy 970 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,640 AI. Think Paulina your. 971 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,520 Girlfriend, she'd just. Be in the cauldron going to. 972 00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,200 Help. Doesn't that sacrifice her? 973 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:01,280 We'll see you. But you have to come back to the 974 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,720 live to say. That she's going to get. 975 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,440 And her little hat is sort of bobbling on the surface. 976 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,720 That's really sweet. She's holding. 977 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:09,800 Onto the. Caribbean, yeah. 978 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,400 You know, kind of pull herself out like that, kind of sort of 979 00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:17,160 real and then like a film. Yeah. 980 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:24,880 And then I think what things you like. 981 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,640 You also kind of need to sort of span sort of my entire identity 982 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,080 sort of in these four objects. Right. 983 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,640 OK, so I've got your girlfriend. And a Caribbean. 984 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,080 A Caribbeaner? Quite clear. 985 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,960 I mean, there's probably like a, it's a bit boring. 986 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,600 There's like a camera in there. Maybe it's actually a phone more 987 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,720 than a camera 'cause I feel like. 988 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,040 A phone more than a camera. Well, yeah, because then you can 989 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,840 yap away to all of your. Friends. 990 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,760 Yeah, and you can also take pics. 991 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,720 Yeah. No, that's a fair right. 992 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:51,800 Yeah, maybe. It's just a bummer that it's a 993 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:52,560 phone. OK, fine. 994 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,920 It's a camera. OK, alright, cool camera that a 995 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,200 camera that can make phone calls. 996 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,680 Well, no, because that's a phone. 997 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:00,400 Isn't it? Yeah, it's a phone. 998 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,520 Yeah, but it's a big lens. There's a big. 999 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,480 Camera in. We'll put a camera in and then I 1000 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,080 think you need a muse in there. So it's gotta be like me or 1001 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,280 Timothy and yeah, and I'm going in. 1002 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,520 Right, got you. You know, then he's starting the 1003 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,640 pot. He can, he he's, he's like. 1004 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,440 This great great great like this. 1005 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,800 Love. You know, love. 1006 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,880 Yeah. And then the song that's playing 1007 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,120 is that role model song that you like. 1008 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,520 Some protector. Well, how's it go, AM? 1009 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,880 I guilty am I Sorry to miss you at the party. 1010 00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:33,360 And then you're like this coming. 1011 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,120 Out and I come out like that great and. 1012 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,120 Then you sort of are doing like that pose that you do in the 1013 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:37,440 mirror. Way. 1014 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,640 Yeah, what I do is I kick one knee out like that, you know, 1015 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,480 sort of one like that and I kind of throw all my jaw upwards. 1016 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,960 I don't know I was doing it. Your shoes. 1017 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,120 Yeah, and anyways. So then you're you're a 1018 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,520 cauldron. Sorry about your feet. 1019 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,360 So that's are you, was that good? 1020 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,480 That was amazing. I'm really happy with that. 1021 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,880 OK, great. I'm really happy with that. 1022 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,720 So you and Pauline are on a cauldron with carabiner with 1023 00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:59,320 carabiner and a camera. And. 1024 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:00,960 It's good. It's good. 1025 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,080 It's good because I will normally no. 1026 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,280 It speaks to my love of others. It speaks to my how I'm made-up 1027 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,880 of, you know, the people I love. We make you. 1028 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,280 So for you, you know, I don't want to be too reductive and say 1029 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,360 like, you know, backlighter and a pack of parliament and. 1030 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,640 A strappy white top. And a strappy white top, but I 1031 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,240 think that as a small package is. 1032 00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:25,000 One item, a zip lock. Bag exactly. 1033 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,120 Zip lock bag. So it's sort of like almost in a 1034 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,760 bag, you know what I mean? Right, so you are defining me by 1035 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,240 the fucking album then. Exactly. 1036 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,760 Great, but you know, it's one shade. 1037 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,520 It's one shade and so Ziploc bag Parliament cigs beck lighter 1038 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,560 strappy white top. I haven't worn A strappy white 1039 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,160 top for a long time and also I've started smoking capris 1040 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,200 actually. Okay, but then that speaks to 1041 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,240 your history. All right, fine. 1042 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,280 Yeah. I'd actually throw in trying to 1043 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,600 think something. What? 1044 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,640 How can I sort of do it without a Swedish flag, You know, I 1045 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,600 mean, something that speaks to your love of Sweden. 1046 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:04,720 Do that. Does that disappoint you? 1047 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,920 No, no, I think that's cool, but I don't think it should be the 1048 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,720 flag. Or like a, or like a, you know, 1049 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:11,640 a Swedish studio. Like we could package off like 1050 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,680 that, a little studio space, crush it down, throw it in. 1051 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,800 I do think it'd be quite good to chop George. 1052 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,280 Yeah, I know. That's like, you know. 1053 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,560 That's, well, you. Came up with doing spouses in 1054 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,440 the cauldron. Yeah, add chop George and let's 1055 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,960 put him head first, I think. Shirt unbuttoned, you know what 1056 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,280 I mean? That kind of way he's wearing a 1057 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,680 kind of silk shirt. He's like, oh fuck, Chuck him 1058 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,880 in. And final final item is. 1059 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,640 Who's going to stir it? OK, the ones the person's 1060 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,400 stirring, I kind of want it to be. 1061 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,760 Or maybe it's me, if you don't mind, if you want. 1062 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,360 Me to stir it. What's the song? 1063 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,120 And then the song would be a Lou Reed song. 1064 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,200 I think it would be perfect day. Yeah, that's quite nice. 1065 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,360 Sad. Yeah, but that's you've got a 1066 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,560 bit of that in you. Yeah. 1067 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,920 All the other stuff was quite fun. 1068 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,240 Good to have an aura of sadness. No, it is. 1069 00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:07,880 And I just do want to speak to your sort of your, your growing 1070 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,120 up. And it's maybe like, honestly, 1071 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,480 maybe it's the teapot necklace or something just to kind of 1072 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:13,960 throw it back to that on. The new rave day. 1073 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,440 From a new rave A new rave teapot. 1074 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,080 Because it's also, as well as some sadness, there's also a lot 1075 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,920 of embarrassment within me. Actually, thing exactly exactly 1076 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,240 I didn't. Feel it back. 1077 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:25,680 There. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Post. 1078 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,480 It's sort of a what's. The Sheen of youth fades away. 1079 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,480 It's an embarrassed autopsy of you. 1080 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,440 Yeah. I mean, that's like a Lou Reed 1081 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,120 song. Yeah. 1082 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:36,880 Any other quick fires or do we wrap it up? 1083 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,760 No, I think it's done, isn't? It I'm so hungry. 1084 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,480 Well, what's, what are you going to do this year just to wrap it 1085 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,440 up? Put out a movie? 1086 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,760 We're putting a film out and yeah. 1087 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,360 And. We're continuing off. 1088 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,240 Collaboration, friendship, business for business, 1089 00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,480 entrepreneurial spirit. Yeah. 1090 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,400 Will be on Forbes duo's under 40. 1091 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,240 Yeah, this year. Love you so much. 1092 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,120 Love you. Thank you for talking to me for 1093 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,600 so long. Thanks to the one viewer still 1094 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:12,640 tuned. In Hey. 1095 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,760 Thanks your mum and my dad. I think my mum might be on board 1096 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,040 by now. OK, I think your dad. 1097 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,960 No, he's in till the end. He's on to the end. 1098 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:20,600 Thanks, John.