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Hey and welcome back to the 824 
podcast today. 

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We bring you a conversation 
between Ryan Johnson and 

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highlight filmmaker Claire 
Denis. 

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You probably know Ryan is the 
writer and director behind brick

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Looper the best episode of 
Breaking Bad and Star Wars The 

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Last Jedi after we released the 
High Life trailer earlier this 

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year. 
We noticed a tweet from Ryan 

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Claire Denis and space no 
trailer required. 

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We've since learned that Ryan 
the guy entrusted with the fate 

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of the biggest movie franchise 
in history has seen every single

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Claire Denis movie though. 
He'd never met her before. 

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For this conversation Ryan 
recently took a break from 

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editing his new movie knives out
to come on the podcast and talk 

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to the legend herself. 
We hope you enjoy it. 

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Hello. 
I'm Ryan Johnson, and I'm here 

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with Claire Denis. 
What do you think about that? 

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It's a great. 
It's a great meeting. 

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So Los Angeles. 
What is your relationship to 

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this town? 
How do you how do you find it? 

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I know you're here in a 
whirlwind very quick trip and 

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mostly in her. 
Algorithms probably but of 

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course this time it's two days, 
you know, yeah it size means 

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nothing. 
I wish I could stay more because

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yeah after first surprise my 
first my first trip here, I was 

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surprised and I had to learn how
to drive in La you were 

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surprised what surprised you 
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So this whole big each district 
was so different. 

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Don't you know and enormous, you
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experienced act1 if you want to 
buy something you have to drive 

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on the freeway. 
Not for me. 

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Yeah, I Street yet maybe but not
a freeway and it took me maybe 

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10 days to be able to drive 
around and I was the manager 

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listening some exit a long time 
with vendors when we were doing.

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Paris Texas, I was we did you 
Preston in Los Angeles to the 

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appropriate location scouting 
and I could prep area. 

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Okay and a part of the shooting 
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Yeah. 
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I was watching an interview you 
did where you were talking about

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the shoot and talking about 
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the devil's graveyard. 
Oh my God, but also have 

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prepared you. 
Yeah, absolutely run by the band

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territory. 
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Well in the exam crazy at that 
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mind that maybe Harry Dean 
Stanton should cross over the 

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Rio Grande. 
Hmm, and he told me maybe will 

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be afraid it's nothing. 
I can cross the Rio Grande just 

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like that once twice. 
I went. 

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Yeah wheezing my jeans on and I 
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of stone. 
Yeah, and in the It was shallow.

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Uh-huh. 
It seems shallow and suddenly in

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the middle of it. 
There was a current so powerful.

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I I could resist, you know, 
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I was like a piece a little 
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Yeah. 
Are you a good swimmer? 

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I had a good swimmer, but the 
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I am and I was watching you. 
Jim I turned around him he did 

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not react at all. 
So I said hey this is not going 

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to save my life in the end. 
I managed. 

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I don't know it took me an hour 
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Oh my God, and he flatly told me
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I think it's not a good idea to 
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No, I don't think it's a good 
day his point was When she spent

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time there in the states and 
here and then in in New Orleans 

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right with for philosopher, yeah
for what as a poet Arthur. 

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Okay what I say? 
Yes. 

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Okay. 
All right, we're down by law. 

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That was I don't value in. 
Yeah. 

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Anyway, that's what I was 
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Yeah. 
I know my little ones. 

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Yeah, no Eileen and some bayous.
Yeah, but you haven't shot one 

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of your own films. 
He's not my was I had already I 

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came in. 
Rollins I was already finishing 

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Scout my own scouting in 
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Yes. 
I think you could production 

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with Cameroon. 
He's yeah government so I was 

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ready in way. 
Yeah, but I had to wait for the 

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good season. 
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said, okay, let's yeah. 
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Yeah, that must have been an 
experience do you get to after 

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this trip to you get to rest for
a little bit or do you have Were

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no I was with him. 
So I was already like in a great

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shape, but I was not sure I like
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with his but yeah, the city was 
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Yeah, it's a cold City and it 
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time I came here. 
I realize it was a city very 

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very cool. 
Hmm and where it's yeah. 

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It's interesting to to stay. 
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the city. 
Yeah, I've been here since since

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I went to University here. 
So 25 years and it took it took 

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me 10 years maybe to discover 
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I felt yeah, I grabbed her. 
It's not immediate. 

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No. 
No, it's weird. 

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But that's also why I think when
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fall very hard for it. 
I think I'm in after so but do 

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you get to after this? 
This round of press do you get 

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to go home and rest for a while 
or do you still I go home? 

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Yeah rest, not really because 
there is I have to go to Germany

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and to England to also for the 
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Yeah. 
How is he? 

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Yeah, but I will be home. 
It will be very good. 

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What do you do to recharge? 
What is the thing that you're 

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most looking forward? 
You get home you put down your 

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bags. 
What is the thing? 

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Yeah. 
Washing machine was until he 

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gives a good reason to go by 
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better a bit and you know stare 
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Yeah, I reading reading. 
Yeah. 

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Are you reading anything? 
Good now, I guess you're not 

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have time when you're on the 
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No II have I wanted to go and 
buy a book. 

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Yeah in the book store nearby. 
That Book Soup. 

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Mmm. 
I hope I would go there. 

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Yeah afternoon if I have the 
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Yeah. 
Well, I your films have have 

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meant a lot to me for sure many 
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I was excited and a little 
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loved I loved I loved high life.
I thought it was absolutely 

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gorgeous. 
And I was it was very 

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interesting the ways that it's 
The similarities it has two 

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previous work and also the ways 
in which in each one of your 

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films pushes and does things 
that the others haven't as and 

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is coming at the same sort of 
stuff from different angles, but

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I thought it was absolutely 
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I saw it in the theater just 
yesterday actually, and I'm so 

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happy. 
I got to see it just feels like 

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a film that needs to be seen in 
the dark. 

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I think so. 
Yes. 

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I mean, obviously it was your 
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english-language film and I'm 
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some of the differences the main
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I was just as a fan of your work
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struck me and I apologize. 
I'm sure you've talked about 

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this a lot. 
But the fact that it was on 

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designed sets as opposed to and 
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of that for me largely came 
through in your use of color and

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the intentional use of Of color.
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mean, I don't know if Andre de 
soie like you you do the same 

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thing with the street the lights
of the street at night and the 

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impressionistic. 
So you always use color but 

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there was something about the 
concentration of this. 

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I thought that but I mean 
abilities well wasn't human. 

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Yeah, and here we were shooting 
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Well, this is interesting. 
What's your with and the 

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reaction of colors are not all 
the same, you know? 

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Yeah. 
How did you could because what 

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material? 
Film right was it wasn't? 

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Yeah. 
So this is your first digital. 

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No. 
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No, I always let the sunshine in
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you talk was bastards? 
Oh, I didn't realize that. 

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I love that phone. 
So no I wanted digital for the 

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ship. 
Yeah, and not very extra Sunny. 

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Yeah, 10K, whatever I wanted. 
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Ray exact so together and then 
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the Memoir the image of from 
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train and everything with the 
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That was super 16. 
Yeah, that makes sense and I did

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it with a young. 
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Yeah, very interesting to to go 
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small polish group and the end 
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the black hole father and 
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Oh, so it switches you can feel 
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couldn't tell you what this 
yellow light. 

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Yeah, I choose it because it has
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other colors. 
Okay, it gives the skin a 

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bronze. 
Yeah Gregory Niche gray bluish 

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bronze color, you know the red 
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thought this is great for the 
black hole Yeah, because so many

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things disappear in a black hole
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and with olafur eliasson. 
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Mmm, not for Black Hole actually
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things. 
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this Ray of Golden Light. 
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Yeah, and I realize when we did 
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seeing him there was absolutely 
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No, you could not compare 
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Yeah, because the the digital is
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that color interesting. 
So it's it's it right the 

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digital try to balance. 
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Yeah, you know, yeah, we still 
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Yeah. 
I'm let's head over to picket. 

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That's very interesting. 
Yeah, I noticed you didn't what 

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you worked with. 
Not your usual DPI gonna go 

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directly to yeah. 
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Yeah, and yes was tired after 
the other fume and yeah, she was

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not so happy to work with a 
complete German crew because she

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was tired and sure sure. 
Sure Yorick. 

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I knew Eureka. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, I have I've always worked 

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with the same cinematographer. 
How was it? 

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How was it just working with? 
So how did it affect your very 

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good because it is a new me. 
Yeah in your knees and we 

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decide. 
To settle something that I guess

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would have been maybe a little 
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program all the light the day 
the night the bright day the the

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dark day. 
We rarely do lights with the 

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program. 
They LED everything program. 

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Everything was program. 
Yeah, and we it gave us a sort 

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of first of all it was fast. 
Yeah, and it's give us a sort of

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We Were He knows spaceship. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, which is are you preparing
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I'm editing right anything. 
Ah, yes editing and we are I'm 

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pretty deep into the other 
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I feel like I'm making a it's a 
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murder mystery when you I as a 
kid loved. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah I suppose so I'm using that
to kind of explore something. 

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Things using that show and 
you're shutting La shot in 

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Boston. 
I invest on yes, it's very cold.

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But this way it was the first 
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the first movie I had shot on 
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I'd always used film before and 
it was a big change. 

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It is a bit strange. 
Yeah, but a to let me hear ya 

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the first week of shitting in 
digital. 

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So was the first move each 
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Wise advice? 
Yeah, white material we wanted 

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but then we test and also 
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We were losing the pinkish skin 
of the white people just as it 

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was colder. 
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He said it's not possible that 
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Yeah Isabel skin is a little bit
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Yeah, and we were lucky enough 
to find a Kodak not not a fast 

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one a slow ones. 
Your phone because that's 

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unbaked feeling of those 
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to have this Kodak. 
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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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It's it's something that it's 
another tool. 

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I think there can be a tendency 
to just ruin understandably to 

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romanticize film. 
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to film students and younger 
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almost a religious fervor about 
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Yeah awkward thing and I wish I 
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religion about if you go to the 
new system don't stay. 

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Yeah, and I think me what I like
is books exist. 

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Yeah, that's all. 
Yeah to use. 

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Whatever is appropriate. 
You know? 

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Yeah, it's funny. 
I was having I went I got out of

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the movie. 
I had a conversation with my 

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wife about whether because I 
felt in the ending hopefulness 

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is the For me, it was a very 
similar emotional experience to 

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the ending strangely of let the 
sun shine. 

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Yeah, we're all all arguments to
the contrary that this should be

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depressing and yet there's these
two people who there's there's 

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this the the the it did I know 
it's hard but it's fun. 

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Yeah. 
I don't know. 

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I it's funny because my on the 
one hand and when I meet any 

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filmmaker who I admire I want to
ask process questions, but on 

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the other hand, especially with 
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Something about them that I 
don't know. 

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I almost want to want to not 
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something about them that it 
feels very I don't know. 

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It feels almost like to it field
that they feel like they are 

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such a pure expressions of your 
own succession. 

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I don't you know, yeah, it's 
thought for sure but then it's 

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also because I'm a very tactile 
person. 

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Yeah have to figure out what it 
will be. 

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Yeah, you know which that that 
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about Andre putting his feet 
into the dirt and that one's 

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seen or I mean the all of the 
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so so much in your movie. 
They I feel like I've had a 

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wonderful hug with a very sweaty
person. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, you know, this is an 
exercise. 

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They really do. 
Yeah. 

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The Army was her after a fight. 
They have to hug too chattering 

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down. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, that's I mean, I don't 
know that's treason. 

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You understand it. 
It makes so much sense. 

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I make so much sense. 
Yeah, it's fascinating. 

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Yeah, the meant that that film 
and the and that's something 

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that is similar with patents. 
And in this movie the masculine 

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the way that you yeah is feel 
that you take a look. 

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Yeah to protect himself. 
Yeah. 

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I was reading I was he had been 
realized before and it's 

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interesting imagining an older 
actor in that part. 

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It's very very interesting. 
Yeah, I don't know why I didn't 

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mind because I'm getting older 
too. 

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Maybe yeah, I don't know. 
I was at that point. 

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I was so fascinating. 
It was maybe my craziness. 

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Hmm. 
Bye she keeps him off man. 

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Hmm, and that's what the guy 
like that. 

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He won't find. 
Fight every let it go. 

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You know, he's tired with 
everything. 

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Hmm. 
I had something in mind. 

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I mean he died. 
Yeah, and then the casting 

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director tell me, you know, 
Robert you would like to meet 

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with you. 
Hmm. 

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But it's nice to you and the 
casting director said look me to

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is MM Robert told me now. 
He told me now that it was sure.

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Signal yeah, and he said I was 
trying to be not to show how 

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disappointed are you and me and 
the opposite I found him. 

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Yeah, extremely great and I said
but it's the best. 

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I did never never I chose you, 
you know, do you enjoy the and I

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know for you the casting its you
don't do auditions or re it's 

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more it just connecting with 
people. 

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Yeah. 
I do you enjoy that part of the 

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process to you is That and also 
when you're when you're writing 

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are you generally thinking of 
because you work with a lot of 

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the same actors over and over 
you mess up time. 

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I know one of them would be in 
the film because it's I've been 

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thinking about him. 
Yeah Baghdad for Robert it was 

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strange because it was the 
opposite and yet declared after 

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a little prediction. 
We yeah, I told him it's 

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strange. 
It's like it's like I've been 

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Knowing you for a long time. 
Yeah, I don't have well, I am 

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curious your I don't know and I 
know it's a it's a term that is 

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a not just the word science 
fiction is something that I 

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always said no at a certain 
point. 

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Yeah to tell my producer. 
Don't freak out. 

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It's not going to be Star Wars. 
It's simple. 

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Yeah, it's a gel in space. 
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working. 
With an extra fission while we 

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were writing the script that 
everything there was already 

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known there was no disc 
invention, right and it's true 

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four days ago. 
You have seen the picture of the

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black hole. 
Oh, yeah, what a strange thing 

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like ours units orange. 
The picture is orange like 

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everything under your movie, you
know? 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, it's true. 

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Yeah, there is something that To
keep it very simple and not to 

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invert Extravaganza of the black
hole is leading us to another 

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Universe blah blah blah blah 
blah blah. 

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Yeah, which in a way the 
scientist that don't believe 

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yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Well, it's and your I don't know

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your user sci-fi. 
It's my favorite science fiction

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movies are the ones that use it 
the way that you do which is one

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of my favorite Cuts in the movie
is when Mia God's character has 

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been Reg nated. 
Yeah cut to what first you 

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assume is space is this nib or 
never? 

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Yeah, but it's a oh, yeah as you
travel and you realize it's an 

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interior space and I think 
that's a very good metaphor for 

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the way that the best science 
fiction and the most thoughtful 

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uses sci-fi and you very much do
you very much use this movie 

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couldn't you could not set this 
movie in a prison on Earth and 

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it would be the same you use the
science fiction and no are those

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elements in a way to get Deeper 
inside the voice actors. 

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Yeah, and the fact that there is
no going back home. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah never. 
Yeah, they can't escape in jail.

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You can still dream maybe yeah 
not there the complete 

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isolation. 
Yeah. 

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No, it's very much. 
I mean and it I don't know how 

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you feel about this Reverend. 
But to me, it's similarities to 

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the way the tarkovsky used 
Science Fiction with stalker II 

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think so Theresa. 
Was Solaris. 

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Yeah, and I still care for me. 
It's a masterpiece, but it was 

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really also the shock I felt 
when on the way to the Zone when

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the black and white image cut to
the color. 

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Yes, I remember I thought I was 
going to faint. 

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Yeah. 
My heart stopped beating for a 

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second and I wanted to 
understand why sometimes 

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something that is simple hmm 
almost nothing black and white 

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and color because in that 
context with the stalker on the 

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machine suddenly and the noise 
of the machine which is turns 

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and museums Ernie. 
I think this is Cinema. 

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It's the mystery of Cinema 
sometime very little can do a 

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lot. 
Hmm sometimes and it loves you. 

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One of the things in the movie 
that I think is a color that is 

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not used in the modern palette 
very much is for lack of a 

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better word. 
It's the wrong word, but I'll 

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say the word boredom the the 
lulling you not being afraid to 

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make you get to the point. 
Where you Are not just being a 

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cape a where your where your 
lulled into and I think that cut

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very much relies on the 30 
minutes that came before. 

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It's very much like a minion. 
Oh, yeah, it's good. 

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It's like, it's Alchemy. 
There's a so, I think that in a 

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hundred he's father's the point 
of view and the woman comes out 

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into the streets and the 
headlights are lighting her up. 

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And then you do a jump cut and 
she's gone and I remember 

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watching that and feeling both 
of this. 

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Of like this is the like you 
said like a little bit of a 

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physical reaction to it. 
But it also it also felt like 

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when you're having a night out, 
it feels like the way that you 

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see the world at night in a 
strange way. 

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I don't ya combination. 
Maybe we still can it is even 

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more Grant grandiose because 
it's nobody knows what the zone 

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is and suddenly we understand. 
Wow. 

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Yeah, there is a Zone. 
Yeah, it's true. 

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Yeah. 
And there's own suddenly. 

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Yeah became a dangerous place 
and the film not explaining it 

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and this has similar. 
There's also with I life I think

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you know, the it it leg gives it
room for you to take that and 

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and plug it into the back of 
your head. 

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You have the shot. 
I'm sure it wasn't a direct 

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reference but looking down into 
the water when she drops the 

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fetus and the splash it reminded
me of the well inside. 

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Yeah, but you worked on did You 
were right II wasn't a sacrifice

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as vendors was also I see that's
a connection that don't normally

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would use sacrifice. 
Sure. 

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Sure. 
The Swedish people got it. 

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And Andre was hated to be 
obliged to use French actress 

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for the co-production. 
I say anyways terrible with the 

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casting director. 
Okay, and and that daughter 

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asked me Claire, please go help 
me help him and at that time I 

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had very short hair and Andre 
looked at me and I could feel 

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immediately thought yeah, I told
me I looked like Joan of Arc 

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Lenny would accept me because he
told me I don't look like all 

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those French horn. 
U.s. 

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Heart. 
Yeah, and you would be so so 

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many actresses. 
Anyways, yeah, so everybody's 

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things good, you know, yeah, 
it's strange like him and and 

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and and fighting terrible was 
the same scene, you know, 

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because he had this pain in him,
you know, mmm, he he was longing

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for his wife and son to come it.
Didn't know yet. 

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He had a cancer. 
Yeah, it was ignoring it. 

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Yeah. 
Hmm. 

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I wonder Ooh, I want to thank 
you so much for sitting down and

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being able to talk. 
It was it was a dive. 

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Like I said, I your films have 
meant so much to me and I was 

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just really looking for it's a 
showdown in meeting you thank 

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you. 
I'm not forcing, please. 

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I know you are please please 
please really said, I hope we'll

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get to meet again. 
And yeah and talking and I 

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survive this trip. 
I have a feeling you will when 

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you go home. 
When do you go tomorrow 

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tomorrow? 
Okay good and the doctor I've 

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decided I am a very strong. 
Woman ten times to make sure I 

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won't forget. 
I coulda told him that you were 

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instantly. 
Thank you so much. 

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I haven't even seen her so I 
have my God, please. 

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Yeah. 
Good luck with the rest. 

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Yeah. 
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