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Hey and welcome back to the 824 
podcast. 

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Today's guest became best 
friends in 2007 while traveling 

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the world together on the 
marathon, press tour for 

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Superbad in the 12 years since 
Jonah Hill and Michael Cera have

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stayed close as their careers 
continue to expand a new 

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directions this past year Jonah 
made his incredible filmmaking 

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debut with mid 90s. 
Well, Michael Cera has further 

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established himself as a 
formidable Broadway actor 

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earning Raves for his 
performance in kind of 

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lonergan's play the Waverly 
Gallery despite their busy. 

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We help them find an hour to sit
down and finally catch up. 

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We're starting right now. 
I'm Jonah Hill. 

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I'm Michael Cera. 
This is Michael Cera and we've 

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been friends for almost 12 
years, maybe even longer now. 

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Yeah, maybe 13 years. 
When do you consider our 

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friendship starting? 
That's the question. 

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I consider it starting. 
I think halfway through shooting

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may be super bad. 
That's when you consider the 

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start now, that's when I felt 
like, oh you really love me. 

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Well I felt Earlier, you did. 
Yeah. 

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I felt during the we should 
start by saying we were in a 

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movie called super bad together.
Let's give a lot of context. 

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Yeah, we'll go back. 
We are anybody who choose it 

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like goes out of the way to 
listen to this. 

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I think doesn't need too much. 
How do these two chaps know one 

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another like who's just randomly
listening to what a weird 

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combination of people to throw 
together for a podcast, but we 

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were told when we both got the 
part that we Judd Apatow made us

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hang out because only directed 
was really Hang out become 

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friends. 
We obviously had this like this 

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movie that like stuck around for
a long time. 

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But we also went through 
something very similar at the 

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same time together very unique 
like a super unique experience 

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at the same time. 
They being what just like being 

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in a movie like one day like I'm
young people from one day to the

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next president velopment, but it
was still very like, yeah, we'd 

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go to Canter's and if you like 
some nerd like us being like 

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hey, you're awesome on Arrested 
Development. 

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He'd be like, thanks and his 
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And then we are in this movie 
and then the day after it came 

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out very different very 
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And what was awesome though. 
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here and things were very like 
gnarly in that way. 

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They sent us to other countries 
together you mean Chris? 

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Yeah, and that's what I remember
like the tour of that is what we

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you and I always end up talking 
about housing. 

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They didn't like us in Italy. 
No, no and Spain Spain. 

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They didn't like us. 
Well it was I don't know if it 

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was they didn't like us but 
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Marketed, it was the funniest 
thing of all time. 

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Yeah, they never tell a story 
porno. 

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There's like bras hanging off in
the lifestyle super, sweetest, 

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which is super horny. 
Yeah, that's always really 

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weird. 
It's called super horny. 

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And if you look at our faces on 
the poster and you put the timer

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for the poster was its just oh, 
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No. 
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Okay, so they so Emma Stone's 
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They were like really trying to 
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like we were like, okay, we can 
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Spain, which I guess doesn't 
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time. 
So they hired a very famous 

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actress to be Emma's voice. 
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She's doing the voice dubbing 
voice dubbing for Emma Stone's 

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character in Superbad. 
And then the poster was her the 

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not Emma was the famous actress 
in Spain photoshopped in 

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photoshopped in not Emma Stone, 
even though she was just a voice

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and then between her legs were 
me Michael and Lisa is like 

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looking out drooling like Drew 
and of course you're horny. 

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It's called super horny. 
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Like what the fuck's sake. 
This is so weird and not and 

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Italy in the scene where we're 
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They started like hissing. 
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know also is amazing is we first
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Yeah, like the dumped over there
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I still keep in touch with my 
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Do you remember him? 
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Long red hair down to his ass he
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he was like, I had never met one
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I've been doing Elijah Wood 
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member the moped he was right. 
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cruising through traffic on the 
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guys and I was like, aren't you 
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And he was like, I'm very afraid
for my life. 

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That is so fucked up but talking
about like things changing in a 

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weird way overnight. 
I remember something that 

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happened when super right when 
Superbad came out was a few 

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months before it came out a 
friend of mine this girl at 

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Nicole had a birthday party 
where I grew up, you know in 

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like some grab gymnasium in 
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She like rented it out and a 
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and hung out for the night. 
Yeah, and that's kind of cool 

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birthday party. 
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It was nice. 
It was like all my high school 

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friends. 
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everything. 
But so there was this girl 

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Melinda de That I Used to Know 
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I guess hanging out with her 
talking with her over the course

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of the evening and then like a 
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This guy comes up to me and he's
like trying to kick my ass like 

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in a blind rage. 
He's drunk and my friends are 

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holding back. 
He's like, I'm gonna kill that 

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guy. 
I'm gonna kill him know like 

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never seen this guy's for it. 
You know, I didn't even know 

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this person existed before and 
then he's like really about and 

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I was just kind of standing 
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he had mistake it. 
I was like, this is so profound 

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and someone else. 
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I was like what is happening? 
And I guess he had seen me 

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talking to her and he was like 
dating her and it made him crazy

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because he was a psychotic part 
like he I don't know right he 

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like got very drunk and then 
decided he had to murder me or 

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something and then everybody 
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So then when Superbad came out 
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I was out with my this is the 
only interaction I've ever had 

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with this man. 
So interaction one is he tries? 

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Yes. 
Yes, and then he kind of and 

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he's like, you know like 
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So then where I'm at a bar. 
Which is already kind of a 

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misguided Choice like I realized
kind of after like it was way 

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too much heat on us at the time 
to just go out to a bar like it 

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was insane in there. 
I mean, I was not used to being 

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this recognizable that quickly 
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was you know, and also all those
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Yes everybody Like There's No 
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Everybody's really physical with
you and everything and you know,

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it was just I just was learning 
that this is like not the best. 

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It was like a lot of pressure. 
Yeah, not the best Forum. 

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No, I mean, but I was just out 
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then this guy sits down next to 
me his name was Matt something. 

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And he was like hey Mike, how 
are you man? 

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I was like, oh, hey man. 
I'm like, whoa, you recognize 

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him as gosh. 
I am never forget his face and 

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I'm like, hey, I'm kind of like,
you know treating light like you

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talk to like a Pit Bull or 
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Like, you know, it's being nice 
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I'm just petting him right and 
he's like, how are you man? 

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You seems like the sweetest guy 
was like, I'm good. 

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How are you? 
He's like, I'm crazy because I 

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had no idea you were an actor. 
I was like, yeah. 

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He's like so you like go out to 
LA and stuff you like. 

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It worked out there occasionally
and I was like, yeah, I mean, 

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yeah, so he goes God, I'd love 
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swear to God. 
That was just like what is this?

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Yeah. 
He's like man, like let's keep 

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in touch. 
Don't be a stranger. 

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What did that tell you about? 
I don't know. 

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I don't sir told me a lot about 
this person. 

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I mean, it's just like very 
psychotic person. 

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I don't know right like this is 
his perception of the 

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experiences in the world right 
way things are what did you find

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that like that kind of thing? 
Happened a lot or that was 

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funny. 
No, I mean that is unusual was 

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an extreme circumstance. 
That was extremely funny that 

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things could turn that like that
much of a so, how long did you 

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stay with you? 
I mean, you know, we he's now my

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personal assistant. 
We've been together 12 years. 

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He's outside the room. 
I did see him out there and he's

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always in a state of either 
kicking my ass or loving we just

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live on that we walk that that 
was the guy beating the shit out

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of you outside. 
That's that's Matt. 

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Yeah. 
Well, you know he was annoyed 

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about The coffee that I deserved
it, honestly, I deserved it. 

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I got them wrong kind of coffee 
this morning. 

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Do you remember one of my 
favorite bits somehow is when we

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were in we're on that tour and 
we were in Spain. 

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I only remember just because I 
still when I get on it, I was on

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the airplane yesterday and yeah 
awkward think about it. 

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Yeah all the time. 
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So we're on a plane and Spain 
and the plane smells like smells

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like feet like feces. 
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say it really is no it It's like
the most terrible smell you've 

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ever had that real kind of human
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This was not a bad odor that 
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This was unacceptable. 
It was is not is not something 

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you want to hang out with her 
three hours in the and we were 

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we were grounded like we 
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was like crazy. 
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air and we were stuck for like 3
hours on the tarmac and it smelt

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like feces and we kept the bit 
was basically about how the 

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pilot was making an 
announcement, but it's a Spanish

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pilot and that he was excusing 
that we were on a new kind of 

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plane that was actually 
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made entirely of shit. 
I'm shit, but I think it was 

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like he was like exciting. 
It was like a thing that they 

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were proud of like, yeah 
everybody from the town and 

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contributed. 
I think that that was probably a

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survival. 
I had contributed townspeople 

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had contributed as well. 
We did the whole flight. 

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Yeah, it was probably just a 
distract ourselves from a how 

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awful was screwing fucking 
insane. 

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We needed some way to deal with 
it and for 12 years pretty 

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consistently I'd say at least 
twice a month we do that bit. 

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Yeah where the plane is. 
The pilot is saving announcement

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of Pride that the plane that we 
are on is made of feces they 

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were A bunch of those like twice
we snapped at each other. 

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I remember what was it because 
it's very unusual. 

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Oh just we're just tired and 
patient. 

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But what do you remember what 
the Yeah Yeah, I do. 

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I do. 
We were at a photo shoot the 

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three of us at some putting 
place that glowed in the dark 

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you remember mmm and the 
photographer was able to do this

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is by the airport. 
This is yeah. 

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Yeah exactly by LAX. 
Yeah, right. 

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Yeah and the photographer kept 
telling me to do something to do

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something and I didn't want to 
do it and you were like just do 

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it so we can get out of here. 
I was like fuck off. 

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Don't tell me to do it. 
I remember it was a tense 

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moment. 
I felt really weird telling you 

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I was like why am I saying this 
to jump but I think we were just

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tired, you know, it's like like 
like they literally had every 

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basically like through burn it 
like pies in our face. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, we're close to slipping on

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a banana peel and I'll just go 
then I want to go home fucking 

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jump up in the air. 
I mean, I think probably since 

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then you have you developed like
now I know how to kind of yeah, 

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I don't know lightly advocate 
for myself. 

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Yeah in these situations you I 
will say we're always I tell you

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this all the time and when I 
interview you for that Zine that

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we did for a 24 I my interview 
with you and my sister are my 

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two favorites, but you even at 
19 had like a very good boundary

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self-protection of like what 
felt right for you and what 

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didn't and I really didn't have 
any self protection of like what

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felt goofy or what felt huh? 
Like I was betraying myself in 

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some way. 
I think you have really good 

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boundaries. 
Even when you were a kid. 

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Yeah, you kind of knew what felt
shitty and well good and we're 

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able to stand up for yourself. 
A lot of wins, I think maybe 

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what I've learned since then is 
how to you know, like stand up 

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for yourself and not have it be 
tense. 

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Right? 
Because I used to really feel 

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like at war or something if I 
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protect it like you feel like 
yeah just put pressure on you 

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like the silence, you know, like
when there's like, press people 

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there and they're like we want 
you to do this thing. 

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You're like, I don't really want
to do it. 

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They just got quiet and like 
like you've said something 

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really awful like just say to me
I don't want to do it and this 

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feels like weird. 
I don't want to do it. 

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Oh, okay. 
Well, you know that moment. 

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Yeah that puts an enormous 
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I used to have a publicist and 
sometimes I feel like when 

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there's not too much to do 
because I don't need like to get

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a lot of clothes for me or 
something or my hair and makeup.

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They might publicist. 
I feel like she would start 

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fights with people just to kind 
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job. 
That was yeah. 

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Yeah just to throw her weight 
around or just to be there. 

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So I would sometimes be in a 
fight with Photographer without 

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even knowing it and the 
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at me. 
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this photographer and she wanted
me to wear a hat. 

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I didn't want to wear and then 
she pulled me aside. 

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She was like, what's your 
fucking problem? 

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Why don't you undo any of this 
shit and I was like, what do you

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mean? 
I don't even know what we're 

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talking about here. 
So when you don't know is upset 

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with you going what's your 
fucking problem? 

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And you're 19? 
Yeah that kind of alerting me to

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this. 
That was like, oh man, I gotta 

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just speak for myself here. 
I want to talk about the play 

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you're doing now. 
Yeah, which I have not. 

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Not seen which I feel like a 
horrible friend. 

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Oh, no, there's lots of time but
I see all of your plays. 

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Yes. 
I mean we're going till 

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February. 
Yeah, you know, I'm waiting for 

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you to get in the Rhythm a 
little. 

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Yeah likely takes usually six 
eight months to get in the real 

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things come as late as possible.
No, but like even now it's been 

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amazing to watch you kind of 
like understand, you know, you 

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have this beautiful thing going 
especially with Kenneth Lonergan

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and you've become this really 
formidable Broadway actor. 

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Thank you. 
Yeah, it's amazing. 

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Yeah, it's I mean, yeah, it's 
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happened. 
I guess. 

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I mean, it just has not just a 
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yeah, you have this like very 
formidable theater career, 

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especially a partnership with 
Kenneth. 

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Yeah, it's still feel quite out 
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I feel like you know, it's funny
like that. 

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I don't know because I don't 
have any like language for 

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theater like Lucas and David 
Cromer who plays The Stepfather 

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in the play and he's actually a 
theater director who directed 

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the band's Vizquel the name of 
the play are the Waverly Gallery

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Waverly. 
Starting Elaine May which is a 

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kind of his head using my Lucas.
Yeah and Joan Allen me and David

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Jonah. 
Yeah, but we're going to give 

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you a whole Lane may like yeah, 
that's a whole because I haven't

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even gotten to catch up with you
because this is actually a force

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time for us to hang out because 
you're in yeah the play it's so 

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hard to do it after this. 
Yeah, you can literally have a 

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hard out to go do yeah, and so I
want to hear all that away, but 

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David David and Lucas and I 
share a floor in the theater and

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David and Lucas have a shared 
language about theater like they

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Inside jokes about theater 
people and stuff and like the 

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world and like they sing songs 
from musicals and everything. 

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There's this whole thing and I'm
like this is not my world at 

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all. 
Right. 

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So I feel a bit like an intruder
in there just you know, and like

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you just feel that the audiences
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guys like they have this deep 
like that's their Obsession 

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their world. 
They know the whole language of 

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it everybody every show every 
song Someone used the term last 

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night that I loved which was 
someone was talking about these 

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kind of thing where they go. 
The audience is narrow. 

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Zero, but it's deep as hell, you
know, so it's like an arrow. 

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It's like a certain type of 
person so it's like narrow but 

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it's so deep meaning like there 
are people that are obsessed 

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with yes theater like you're 
saying yeah, that's right. 

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Apparently David said there's a 
message board called all that 

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chat, but I'm going on I'm 
literally getting a fake troll 

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account and going so deep to 
talk shit about you on this. 

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Please just like destroy my 
life. 

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Michael Cera outside the theater
and I feel he spit in my face 

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Maybe where he comes from that's
a sign of respect. 

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But what's it? 
Well, they and there's people 

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that like live in Florida or 
live in Seattle. 

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There's a sensor. 
I'm CEST with Broadway and that 

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they have a comment and opinion 
on every show. 

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My sister's like, I mean, I 
really she be like grew up 

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obsessed. 
That was her thing. 

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Beanie been Platt. 
They're like, they grew up 

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together. 
They're best friends like that. 

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Is there like hip-hop for me? 
Me or something before movies 

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for us, you know like it. 
Yeah, it's amazing and Scott 

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rudin's like that. 
Yeah. 

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Absolutely Scott Rudin who 
produced mid-90s and Waverly 

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Gallery Michaels played. 
He's like the king of broad. 

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He's the king of bras kind of 
the King of Everything But he 

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when you really see him light up
is when he talks about a play, 

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you know, yeah. 
I wish I could hold my own with 

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those guys, but I just that's 
just not my world. 

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I'm kind of a visitor and it but
maybe that gives you some unique

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perspective to your working in 
the medium, you know. 

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Yeah. 
I mean the only place I've 

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worked on. 
Kenneth Lonergan plays and I was

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talking about this with my 
girlfriend the other day that 

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actually his plays the thing 
that really gives it its force 

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is its realism the tone and the 
way that he captures language 

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and conversation. 
Yeah, there's nothing quote 

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unquote Broadway about it. 
Yeah. 

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I mean it's hard to do an 
interpretation of one of his 

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plays in a very avant-garde way 
or something because like the 

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thing that makes them really 
saying is that they sound like 

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people talking people talking, 
you know, it's funny because I 

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saw I saw you for the first time
when you first found out I was 

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this is our youth right and you 
were amazing. 

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You're the During called gaming 
Tavi gevinson as I said last 

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name and I was obviously so like
proud but I think I was like so 

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shocked that you were like, I 
think I was just so excited and 

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shocked I was like just like 
high off of seeing you up there.

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Yeah, and then by the time I saw
a Lobby hero, which was your 

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second place. 
Yeah. 

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I was like, holy shit. 
Michael is like a serious actor 

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in this realm. 
You know what I mean? 

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I would have seen you do it. 
I would love to see you on 

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stage. 
I I'm so curious if I'd have the

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patience for and then I got 
better at writing a play than 

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acting anymore. 
Totally. 

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It's like it's a bit of a 
marathon. 

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Yeah, just because I am so I get
so sick of it Ike you did write 

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a play. 
I loved the play that you guys. 

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Oh, yeah Spike Jonze and I wrote
a play. 

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Yeah. 
I was I think I liked writing a 

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play more than watching the 
actors get ready for our sponge 

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Jones and I wrote a play called 
hundred percent cotton. 

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That was really cool that thank 
you that we did one night only 

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and then destroyed can I 
describe? 

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Yes my experience of when it 
first started. 

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It I'm sure this is how you guys
designed it, but it blew me 

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away. 
Yeah, you're kind of let in 

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through this door on the street.
You don't really know quite 

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where you are. 
You have no idea. 

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Yeah Ali. 
Yeah, you're in an alley and 

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then you're brought up under 
these like bleachers and there's

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only a few rows there was like 
how many people a hundred people

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maybe maybe maybe and then 
there's a big curtain and then 

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when the curtain opens you 
realize you're in the 

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Metropolitan Opera and what's 
behind the curtain is the house 

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like the the auditorium so you 
get a view just enormous Farmers

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would see yes you're viewing 
from the stage the house and you

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guys used that whole Space Show 
yeah with people wearing head 

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Mike's like way the hell up and 
far away. 

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That was great. 
It was like stunning when that 

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opened up in your like this is 
where we are. 

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See I was so used to it like 
yeah have it was you that right?

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Right. 
Yeah. 

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I wish I could get it was very 
cool. 

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It was very cool. 
It was fun. 

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It was so great that you were 
there. 

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That was a great show. 
Was it fun to write that? 

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Yeah like to me I think writing 
writing gives me the most joy 

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out of everything. 
Yeah, you know, I like love 

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writing as a good job. 
Just watching great actors, like

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see the Words that you wrote 
like I would love to like write 

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a play that like you were in 
that'd be fun. 

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Even though you're used to kalon
again, which is would be taking 

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a major step down. 
But when I saw you in the lobby 

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here I was like, holy shit 
Michael really smashed it like I

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couldn't believe how much you 
carried a play with just you and

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Brian really talking to each 
other Brian Tyree Henry another 

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brilliant manager. 
Yeah. 

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It's a great show and you didn't
have a flashy part, right, you 

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know, and I was like the fact 
that we're just watching. 

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Going another actor on a stage 
riveting you for two hours or 

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however long it is. 
I was like Michael had just 

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become like a fucking beast of 
an actor. 

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It's great Martini or beast of 
an actor, but I think it's 

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different, you know, staring 
them watching these different 

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experience. 
Yeah. 

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I was just doing the watching 
you in a film than watching. 

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You really just have dialogue 
basically. 

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Yeah. 
Did you like as a friend 

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watching your friend in a play? 
Where did you feel nervous? 

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You know, I was just excited. 
I knew you you're someone who 

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like doesn't miss in my mind. 
You know what I mean? 

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Like you kind of Of I don't know
you just never missed. 

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I've never seen you on something
and been like oh, that's man. 

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Michael wasn't good in that. 
I've never seen you miss. 

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You're my favorite actor. 
That's really sweet. 

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Well, the thing actually like 
something I think you would like

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about theater. 
You do the show so many times 

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you do it over and over and 
there are shows that you feel 

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terrible about you just feel 
like they didn't they're not 

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clicking into you have like your
own personal system of grading 

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each show. 
You can't help but compare and 

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contrast them based on the 
audience response and what 

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they're feeding you and how you 
how you feel you're Here's how 

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comfortable you feel or how 
authentic you feel or something.

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It's kind of a good at like 
Buddhist exercise don't like let

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everyone. 
Yeah Let It Go, like like like a

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sand castle that just gets 
washed away after each one and 

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there's no record of it as just 
like, okay, that's 700 people 

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think that I'm talentless. 
Ha ha ha the next my gonna mask.

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And yeah, it's just they bring 
in groups of people and they 

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each of them see whatever you 
can do that day. 

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I would and that's their opinion
of you. 

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It's interesting. 
Yeah, I would like that because 

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what I need in life the most 
Most is the experience is the 

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experience being in the results 
business is like a failure. 

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Yeah, that's a good thing about 
theater. 

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I mean sometimes afterwards you 
like huh? 

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Nobody'll ever know I did that. 
There's no record of that work 

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Rick. 
Although there is but in movies 

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it's even harder because there's
like such a public record from 

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you. 
Fuck. 

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Yeah. 
Exactly. 

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It's like I love that about it. 
I've never heard it put like 

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that and that you have to kind 
of Let It Go immediately and go 

450
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,200
on to the next one and the same 
kind of experience in the 

451
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,100
writers room when I was in there
for Arrested Development. 

452
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,100
Yeah. 
Kind of like like I don't know 

453
00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:22,000
Zen acceptance thing like a fun.
Whatever you write that day. 

454
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,100
Yes, some days you really 
contribute some days you like 

455
00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:27,100
really pull your weight and you 
say something funny and you 

456
00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:28,800
know, it gets in the script and 
some days. 

457
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,600
He really just sit there and 
nothing comes to you. 

458
00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:32,500
Yeah, but you just can't what is
it? 

459
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:35,400
Like I guess this is such a 
Buddhist life that yeah, right. 

460
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,400
So it's like on those days. 
I don't know what you're talking

461
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,700
about. 
Yeah any day you're writing? 

462
00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:40,600
Yeah and doing anything. 
You're like, there's good days 

463
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,800
and bad days and bad days. 
So you go home and you're like, 

464
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,400
wow, I really I fucking like had
a breakthrough out of some real 

465
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,700
great. 
Shit today, right or day were 

466
00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:52,700
literally just zero still day. 
Yeah is the idea that you go 

467
00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:58,000
home and kind of like feel pride
in that day or shame in that day

468
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,700
or is that you just go it was 
what it was don't let either one

469
00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:03,300
it just was at doing it is the 
idea. 

470
00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:08,300
I think that and maybe just to 
like get over your 

471
00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:10,900
self-evaluation. 
Actually the thing that I really

472
00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:13,200
appreciate about doing the 
theater that they actually the 

473
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,300
point I was making was you'll 
have a show that you feel really

474
00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:18,200
terrible about it. 
Just And sometimes your friends 

475
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,500
are there in those days, you 
know and your friend will come 

476
00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:23,700
back and tell you they loved it 
and you'll say well no, I had a 

477
00:22:23,708 --> 00:22:25,400
really bad show tonight and 
they'll be like, well, you can 

478
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,400
never tell like how every you're
perceiving what's happening and 

479
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,800
has actually nothing to do with 
what the audience's he's 

480
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,800
experiencing it. 
See as a human being whatever 

481
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,600
I'm feeling. 
Yeah, I assume everyone can just

482
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,800
know that maybe I'm getting 
better at it now because I'm 

483
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,000
aware of it. 
Yeah, but if I felt like 

484
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,900
depressed or horrible, right? 
I assumed anyone I counter like 

485
00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:50,900
I'm like a clear window and they
can just yeah see it, but you 

486
00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:54,300
realize no they don't they 
reflect whatever they want to on

487
00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:55,300
to you. 
Exactly. 

488
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,100
I wonder if that I don't know. 
I feel like part of kind of 

489
00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:01,000
really getting to know yourself 
and know how you feel about 

490
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,800
things and not base that on what
other people think it's part of 

491
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,100
growing up. 
Yeah, like knowing your actions 

492
00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:09,600
in your yeah and where you stand
on that your own cup having your

493
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,900
own compass in life it is it's 
it makes your friendships deeper

494
00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:15,100
and make sure relationships 
deeper when you have that. 

495
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:16,000
Yeah. 
There's this line. 

496
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000
Did you ever watch? 
What planet are you from? 

497
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,300
The gear handle works? 
Yeah, which I think like I know 

498
00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,300
Gary really hated that movie. 
That was my favorite part in the

499
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,800
Gary doc that said did the 
talking about that movie? 

500
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,100
Yeah, just because you're like 
wow Garry Shandling in Mike 

501
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:31,700
Nichols like two of my heroes 
got John Goodman. 

502
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,700
Yeah, but they're not just the 
minds of Gary. 

503
00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:35,700
Yeah, and Michael's getting 
together. 

504
00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:41,700
So purpose is a disaster and I 
hated each other you think Gary 

505
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:44,400
was like, I'm gonna go on a 
whole like Gary podcast. 

506
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,100
Basically. 
Yes you are. 

507
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:47,900
You ready? 
We're closer to him than I was 

508
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:49,400
but I had a lot of good 
experience. 

509
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,400
You know, I remember the night 
that you guys met. 

510
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,600
I remember there was it we had 
Seth was doing some charity 

511
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,100
thing. 
Oh, right. 

512
00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:58,100
Yeah. 
It was like an evening 

513
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,000
celebrating Seth Rogen or 
something. 

514
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,200
That was kind of like the giant.
Yeah, that's alright and Gary 

515
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,500
was there and you were just 
talking to you just sat and 

516
00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:07,800
talked to them at a table at the
end of the night and I was there

517
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,300
with Nick jasenovac and all her 
friends and we were like getting

518
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:12,800
ready to go and Gary was just 
like clicked into you and 

519
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,300
talking to you and you were like
glowing because it was like, I 

520
00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:17,500
think a big moment for you. 
And we were like, hey man were 

521
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:19,100
like get all you gave me a ride 
home. 

522
00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:21,000
Yeah, he was like, we're just 
talking to you guys mind if we 

523
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,800
just talk for a little longer 
and you were just like I was 

524
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,100
really happy for you because you
just seemed like you've been 

525
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:29,200
like anointed me Julian as you 
know, you getting him got 

526
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,800
clothes like is the best thing 
ever, you know, I mean, he's 

527
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,400
just as magical as anyone would 
ever yeah, like I was a big gift

528
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:37,700
in a big loss. 
Yeah. 

529
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:41,500
I really miss him a lot. 
What a Monumental brain and 

530
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:44,400
grapes here, but the line that 
in that movie because he wrote 

531
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,600
that movies and this is I think 
this is basically Gary's 

532
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:50,700
Philosophy is it's a line that 
Annette Bening says she's like, 

533
00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:52,600
what's your goal in life? 
And he's like, I don't know and 

534
00:24:52,608 --> 00:24:55,400
she goes well my goal is to get 
to know myself so that I can 

535
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,800
stop thinking about myself and 
start focusing on others. 

536
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,500
Hmm. 
It really feels like that's 

537
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:02,500
basically Gary's Life 
philosophy. 

538
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:04,400
Right? 
And if you look at her if you 

539
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,800
look at like principles of like 
lots of different things that 

540
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,200
are have helped a lot of people 
whether their religion or 

541
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,100
programs or things like that, 
right? 

542
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:15,300
It's basically get out of self 
and give to other people sounds 

543
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:18,500
nice anytime. 
Yourself even beating yourself 

544
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:22,100
up is so selfish because it's 
about you tell me even if you're

545
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:24,800
being really unkind to yourself.
It's selfish act because it's 

546
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,100
just about you. 
Yeah, before we move on. 

547
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:30,600
Can we talk about Elaine May? 
Oh, yeah as I haven't even gone 

548
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,000
to ask you as a friend. 
Yeah. 

549
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,400
We haven't had a lot of this 
shit know you've been so busy, 

550
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,900
but I want to know what has that
been like Elaine May is the star

551
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:40,200
of Michael's play one of the 
stars of Michael's play and she 

552
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,000
was Mike Nichols his comedy 
partner and they did their show 

553
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,200
at the golden Theater, which is 
where we're doing the show. 

554
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:46,600
Wow. 
Yeah that she had a crazy. 

555
00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:49,500
See, I mean obviously must say 
cool shit about that. 

556
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:52,600
What did she I mean she's just 
like it was just the two of us. 

557
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,700
We didn't even need all this 
space cause there's like 12 

558
00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:56,700
dressing rooms. 
They're like, we just were just 

559
00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:59,300
on this first floor. 
So what has been some of the 

560
00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:02,700
most interesting topics that 
you've gotten into with her, you

561
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,900
know, the sad thing is or things
you've learned. 

562
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,100
Well since we've you know, 
gotten out of rehearsals. 

563
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:09,900
Yeah, and we're just performing 
the show. 

564
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:13,300
I kind of hardly see her we have
to like construct situations 

565
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:16,100
where we overlap right? 
Because now you just go into the

566
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:18,000
shooter. 
And I see her on stage. 

567
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,300
So sometimes we'll hang back 
after the show and like she 

568
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:23,400
likes Stout so I bring her Stout
the bigger. 

569
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,100
Yeah, there's that. 
Yeah, she loves it. 

570
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,800
There's this really good stout 
called Mexican cake, which is 

571
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,900
like it's got chocolate and 
cinnamon and like habanero 

572
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:33,800
pepper in it. 
It's a really thick as liked are

573
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:35,700
amazing. 
And so I and bring our keg of 

574
00:26:35,708 --> 00:26:39,000
that bring your cake of that I 
get a real loose and then we and

575
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000
then you get her drunk and then 
she'll tell you everything so 

576
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,100
you literally just kick back and
have a beer with Elaine May 

577
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:45,900
sometimes sometimes yeah, like 
you'll never forget that the 

578
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:47,500
rest I mean how Now those are 
the best. 

579
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:48,300
Yeah. 
Those are the best. 

580
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:51,800
He's one of my top. 
She's my top five Heroes of all 

581
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,000
time is Elaine May. 
Yeah, you know, she's oh, yes, 

582
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,700
she's the great. 
Well, you have two great overlap

583
00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:59,300
with her. 
She's also one of the first huge

584
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:02,800
female directors like a very 
early time. 

585
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:06,400
Yeah, you know, I know that's 
the most incredible thing really

586
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,100
Pioneer like female she would 
just stare down the Studio's 

587
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:13,600
like with Mikey and Nikki and a 
new Leaf was her first movie 

588
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,500
with Walter Matthau, right and 
it has one of my favorites 

589
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:19,900
Inches of all time in it the 
movies about Walter Matthau as a

590
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:23,200
rich guy who loses all of his 
money and then dates Elaine May 

591
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,000
who's like a wacky weirdo and 
has an inheritance. 

592
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,400
Yeah wealthy New York person, 
but she's like really wacky. 

593
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,200
Yeah, like you wouldn't want to 
date her is right here, right 

594
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,800
but Walter Matthau loses all his
money. 

595
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,300
He's too shallow guys obsessed 
with being rich and there's a 

596
00:27:37,308 --> 00:27:38,400
sequence. 
It's one of the funniest 

597
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,900
sequences in the movie ever when
he's talking to his accountant 

598
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:44,100
know where he says goodbye to 
being rich only did he sadly 

599
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:46,500
does all the things he does is a
rich person. 

600
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,300
Right right for the last time so
he's kind of like almost crying 

601
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:52,000
and saying goodbye to like yeah 
eating at this fancy restaurant 

602
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,700
like getting tailored but 
fursuit, but he's like very 

603
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:56,300
upset. 
It's great in a way that only 

604
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:59,500
Walter Matthau could pull off so
bro, man. 

605
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:01,000
Yeah. 
They're really great together. 

606
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,200
I want to hear and Elaine May 
story before we go imagine like 

607
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,500
getting to spend an afternoon 
with Mike Nichols and Elaine 

608
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,400
May. 
Oh my God, I think if I could, 

609
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,600
you know, those things are 
computed you have dinner with I 

610
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,700
think they were friends till the
end. 

611
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:15,200
She talks about him with great 
affection. 

612
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,200
I think that would be My like, 
you know people like Jesus or 

613
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,600
whatever. 
I think I literally would have 

614
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,000
to be done with Elaine May and 
Mike Nichols. 

615
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,100
Did you ever see there's a video
on YouTube of the two of them 

616
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:28,300
talking like at the Y or 
something and itís X3 way, it's 

617
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:29,000
great. 
It's kind of like what you're 

618
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,700
saying like you just get to see 
them just hang out and we just 

619
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:34,000
rip off each other they talk 
about their careers and they 

620
00:28:34,008 --> 00:28:36,200
talk about, you know, 
everything. 

621
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,300
It's really nice. 
Red's is one of my favorite 

622
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:40,800
movies. 
Yeah and Elaine they wrote like 

623
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,400
so much of Reds like she came 
into right like so much is the 

624
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,900
story of that. 
Yeah. 

625
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:48,600
I've never seen it. 
It's such a good movie. 

626
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,000
Yeah, I got it's maybe it's a 
masterpiece Jack Nicholson's and

627
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,500
it right Jack Nicholson and 
Warren Beatty Warren Beatty 

628
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,500
directed it and start one-on-one
like an Academy Award for you 

629
00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:59,300
one like all of them. 
I write I think it was like the 

630
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:03,100
one where he won like he swept 
like every category I've got 

631
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:05,900
movie is the reason Ishtar 
exists because he was indebted 

632
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:08,300
to Elaine, right? 
So he was like he owed her. 

633
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:09,800
Yeah. 
He wanted to get this movie made

634
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,100
and I want to watch is starting 
now with where I'm at. 

635
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:16,500
Yeah, cinematically my mind to 
see if it is. 

636
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,600
Bad or deserves the hatred or I 
don't think it's like nearly as 

637
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,400
bad as the as the vitro for it. 
Yeah being like synonymous. 

638
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,100
I think the thing that happened 
is that it just lost like an 

639
00:29:28,108 --> 00:29:29,900
incredible. 
It was expensive and didn't 

640
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,000
yeah. 
Yeah. 

641
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:33,900
I mean ended her film career. 
That's so crazy friend. 

642
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:36,800
She wrote The Birdcage. 
Yeah switch to analyze diem 

643
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000
single funniest. 
Oh, yeah. 

644
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,800
It's like maybe my favorite 
comedy. 

645
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,800
I just I there's so much I think
about on a daily basis from that

646
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,700
movie like even like Gene 
Hackman. 

647
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,500
Man when he's so taken with 
Nathan Lane, yes his as a mom. 

648
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:53,000
Yeah. 
Yeah, right is it you're just 

649
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,100
such a Charming woman and then 
obviously there's like Hank 

650
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,900
Azaria. 
Yeah, he's amazing. 

651
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,400
He's I mean he kind of stood 
mean it's like as good as it 

652
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,500
gets pretty and then you have 
the like Robin Williams was 

653
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:06,100
being basically held back. 
You have to tell ya that's I 

654
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:09,900
love that take my bit about the 
bird cages that Robin Williams. 

655
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,900
It's maybe my favorite 
performance of his very subdued.

656
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:15,100
It's so subdued. 
He's too straight man of the 

657
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,000
movie and Nathan Lane is the It 
is the comedic but you're 

658
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,000
basically the film. 
Yeah, and it's just like there 

659
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,700
are fucking ankle weights on 
Robin Williams the entire movie 

660
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:27,900
and then there's that one moment
where he's showing he's 

661
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:31,000
directing the play and he's 
showing like Martha Graham 

662
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,900
Martha grandmother ever possibly
but like Mike Nichols is just 

663
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:37,900
like thumb on him like the 
holding him down. 

664
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:39,800
The entire was like just let him
go and mine. 

665
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,600
It was like I'm too exhausted. 
Fuck it and just dropping it 

666
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,300
just doesn't happen that one 
scene. 

667
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,400
Yeah, he's fully Character is 
like the straight man of the 

668
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,400
movie but like he cannot help 
himself. 

669
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,000
It's really great, but it's just
funny because you see him like 

670
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,400
it's almost like he's miserable 
containing that the entire 

671
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,100
moving. 
He just fucking can't help but 

672
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:01,400
he's really great to as that. 
He's so heartbreaking. 

673
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:03,600
I just got reminded in my 
favorite story of yours. 

674
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:06,900
What's being a the story where 
you a bird almost flew into you?

675
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,600
Oh my God, this is the story of 
yours that I tell people the 

676
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,300
most because go ahead. 
It's my favorite thing. 

677
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:14,000
I'm really just telling about 
scene from The Birdcage go ahead

678
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,200
and tell this you want me to 
tell it. 

679
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400
Yeah, you tell it me tell ya. 
Yeah, okay. 

680
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,100
I mean, it's your story I know 
but it may be more intelligent. 

681
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:20,700
Are you? 
Okay? 

682
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:23,500
I'll tell you you'll see my 
interpretation of it down over 

683
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:25,400
the years because you told me 
this 10 years ago. 

684
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,700
Yeah. 
So this was longer than that. 

685
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,500
Correct me if I get it wrong, so
you're dating this girl. 

686
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,400
Yeah, my first like serious 
Girlfriend. 

687
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Yes, and you went to meet her 
family at their house. 

688
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:39,400
No already wrong. 
Okay brought her brother's High 

689
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,700
School graduation. 
Oh, so it was a big event. 

690
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:46,600
Ook at the beach her brother and
her dad and his friends are all.

691
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,500
Playing football or something 
bro, like jocks, right and 

692
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,700
they're all like getting down 
squirming in the sand together. 

693
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:55,700
Yeah muscles Rippling. 
Yeah, right writhing on each 

694
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:57,700
other. 
Yeah doing some masculine stuff.

695
00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,700
Yeah, and you're sitting with 
the women talking, right 

696
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,700
kibitzing. 
Yeah, exactly and they were like

697
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:05,400
come play where they like, hey 
come play in the game. 

698
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,700
You're like, no they took a 
break because the men were all 

699
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:10,600
around right? 
So the men all came back to 

700
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,800
their hanging out near. 
Yeah, right. 

701
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,600
Yeah, and they're everyone's 
kind of hanging out and we're 

702
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,000
sitting in these chairs like 
eating lunch, but you're already

703
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,100
feeling not. 
Like the most masculine person 

704
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:21,000
on the beach because you didn't 
play the game 100% did it was 

705
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,500
like full like Wedding Crashers 
style. 

706
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,800
Like they were playing football 
and I didn't want to partake 

707
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,600
right? 
You guys was totally napkins at 

708
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,200
the table feelings, right? 
And they sit back down and 

709
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,400
everyone that like the mentor 
like exhausted from the big 

710
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,300
football match chugging 
Gatorade. 

711
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,600
Yeah and just sort of like 
patting each other on the back 

712
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,100
and Bobby tussling can take it 
from here. 

713
00:32:40,108 --> 00:32:40,700
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

714
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:42,200
Okay. 
So the thing that happened 

715
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,900
that's really makes it a great 
stories that so there was a bird

716
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:48,100
that nearly flew. 
Goodbye, you write like flew by 

717
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,200
your head. 
What's the non exaggerated 

718
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,500
version on the real version is a
bird flew at me, but didn't like

719
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,200
come that close to her. 
There was no immediate danger. 

720
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,800
It was like you looked up in A 
Bird Without You by surprise you

721
00:33:00,808 --> 00:33:03,400
but it wasn't severe and it 
wasn't dangerous. 

722
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,400
Yeah, and so and this might 
pique the mic a little so you're

723
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,000
actually let's get ready on the 
on the dial that it's your 

724
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:18,500
reaction was you jumped in your 
chair and went please That's it,

725
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:19,900
right? 
Yeah, that's what makes it my 

726
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:24,400
favorite Story, please and then 
for the rest of the day you were

727
00:33:24,408 --> 00:33:25,900
like the please guy, right? 
Yeah. 

728
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:32,000
They were he's they were so 
unkind please they like throw a 

729
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,300
football towards me and be like,
please please needless to say 

730
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:38,900
there were she dumped me very 
shortly after that. 

731
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,300
Yeah, that was shows where she's
at where she's married now. 

732
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:45,200
Yeah, and to probably guys not 
scared of birds. 

733
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,100
I imagine good for her. 
I'm terrified like wing and 

734
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:52,600
animals Birds. 
Yeah, like but like just birds 

735
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,600
like pigeons like if a patient's
would like to touch my face. 

736
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:57,600
What about it? 
Like a bug that flies? 

737
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,300
I can handle that. 
I know my dad, you know, my dad 

738
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:02,900
Luigi, of course. 
My dad is not afraid of like 

739
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:06,700
anything except for he has a 
deadly fear of June bugs. 

740
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:08,500
He looks like to be little 
doubt. 

741
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:12,199
Yeah, if those fly by he like 
really shrinks the idea of 

742
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,199
Luigi. 
Yeah Running Scared into jelly. 

743
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,000
Yeah. 
What is it is It's been highly I

744
00:34:18,007 --> 00:34:19,100
don't know. 
I never got the Deep 

745
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,900
psychologist or your dad got mad
about cleaning stuff up. 

746
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:23,500
Oh, yeah, this is my favorite 
story. 

747
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:27,800
But he's like when we were 
really little mean my sister's I

748
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,300
don't know it was the thing is 
the thing where like your dad 

749
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,000
tries to get angry and then ends
up accidentally being funny and 

750
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,900
then makes them even more Angry.
So he was like angry that we 

751
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:38,300
were left stuff around and he 
accidentally rhymed like a dr. 

752
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:41,500
Seuss rhyme it was like you kids
leave your things where they lay

753
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:45,500
you put them there and there 
they stay but it's great and 

754
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,199
yeah, just screaming it. 
And we all like just burst out 

755
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,199
laughing and my mom laughed 
which also like to set him on. 

756
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,900
Yeah, and then he would just he 
was just leave them there and 

757
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:59,800
there they stay also to form a 
sentence that way it's like 

758
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,300
there isn't anything funnier 
than anger because it's so 

759
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:07,200
rarely lands like when does 
anger like land the way you want

760
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,700
it to land. 
There's like a there's like a 3 

761
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:14,900
also chili anger lands in the 
affected intention of anger 

762
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,700
doesn't lead to violence then 
it's just Lily right lane it 

763
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,000
violence get okay. 
It's like oh, okay. 

764
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
There's a situation but even 
you're hitting me, yeah, that's 

765
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,200
terrible. 
I mean anger of just like 

766
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,600
extraterrestrial space 
nonviolent. 

767
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,200
I guess you've seen a lot of 
that on sets because there's a 

768
00:35:29,207 --> 00:35:31,200
lot of like people lose their 
temper on sets, right? 

769
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,200
Yeah. 
Have you seen it? 

770
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:34,100
Yeah. 
My first movie was I heart 

771
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:37,300
huckabees is David o'russell was
the director and now is the 

772
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:39,000
movie like all the videos came 
out. 

773
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:41,700
He since like, you know 
apologize to me. 

774
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:43,700
Yeah, like kind of a really 
yeah, he's awesome. 

775
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:46,000
He's actually really I like 
seeing him quite a bit and that 

776
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,900
was a phase. 
I was scared of him when I was 

777
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,100
younger his house 18. 
All I ever wanted was a 

778
00:35:50,107 --> 00:35:51,200
director. 
Hmm. 

779
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:54,400
It was my first set I was ever 
on and I was like, this is what 

780
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,300
movies are like, holy shit. 
Right, but I think people then 

781
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,400
growing up more. 
I kind of understand like the 

782
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,600
odd part about at least being an
actor I would say is like having

783
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,000
to express certain emotions no 
matter what's going on in your 

784
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,200
life. 
Yeah, so I kind of understand it

785
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,700
more like when I add an act, you
know, if I had an actor as a 

786
00:36:14,707 --> 00:36:18,900
director sort of lose it a 
little bit It I understand more 

787
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,200
because they're all of a sudden 
having to give this gave 

788
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,600
everything to this thing or get 
to this place. 

789
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:26,800
I've done I mean you have no 
idea what's going on in their 

790
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,900
personal life. 
That's that's what I mean. 

791
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:31,000
You know. 
It's like Simon could have had 

792
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,200
like lost a relative and then 
they have to like do this really

793
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,000
funny scene or so, right right 
now not that it's an excuse to 

794
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,800
behave poorly at work at all. 
I just maybe there's a level 

795
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,300
that where it crosses over and 
you're just like you're just an 

796
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:44,400
asshole. 
Yes. 

797
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,500
I kind of get when people are 
upset about something. 

798
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,100
But it's always just like it's 
like dad's angry or something 

799
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:52,300
when the ring like everything 
goes quiet on set and somebody's

800
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:55,400
like well Scott Roberts engine 
the vibe Scott Robertson. 

801
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:57,400
Oh Scott. 
Yeah Scotty is the first 80 on 

802
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,300
Superbad Moneyball and he was 
the first ad executive producer 

803
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:01,700
on mid-90s. 
That's great. 

804
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,100
Scott like makes movies. 
He is like the engine good or 

805
00:37:05,107 --> 00:37:09,100
bad it first ad can make or 
break a Phil hoddle and when 

806
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:11,300
Scott would get upset which is 
very rare. 

807
00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:15,200
He's so he's so the best but he 
has to be kind of like the 

808
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,100
parent in a lot of ways. 
Even more than the director. 

809
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,400
Yeah, so if like people are just
like goofing off too much or 

810
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,500
something the very it's like 
seeing your mom or dad lose 

811
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:27,200
their shit. 
Yeah, even as a director, it was

812
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,700
funny to still feel that way. 
There's certain jobs for those 

813
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:31,900
part of it. 
Like part of actually being good

814
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:33,900
at your job is sometimes you 
have to like show people that 

815
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:36,100
you're annoyed. 
They're kind of bad cop. 

816
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,100
Yeah, they kind of have to get 
people away because that's can 

817
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,200
so we have to police the set 
turn the hanging out. 

818
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,800
Yeah. 
It's a lot of people's a hundred

819
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,800
people. 
You have to tell them all to be 

820
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,500
quiet. 
I'm always laugh at this. 

821
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:49,300
Still when someone's cellphone 
goes off. 

822
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,900
Yeah the idea that you would 
work on a set that like yourself

823
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:56,300
that the ringer would be on and 
it take and yeah, it just it's 

824
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:58,400
everything. 
You know, when they do like room

825
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,100
tone. 
Everybody has to go quiet. 

826
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,400
I remember you would always do 
the joke such a ham. 

827
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,300
Yes. 
Such a fucking ham. 

828
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:07,400
That's so embarrassing. 
I literally told that story the 

829
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,700
other day. 
So when was doing room Tom and I

830
00:38:09,707 --> 00:38:12,400
was like, you know when I was 
like 21, I was so obnoxious that

831
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,900
like you got to be quiet to get 
the tone of the room and and 

832
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:19,700
they just need it and they 
literally need it to make the 

833
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:23,100
film and post-production. 
Best part is like it's like the 

834
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:24,800
best time to try and make 
someone laugh. 

835
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,300
Yeah. 
I always try to make you yeah, 

836
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:29,200
that's because it's like the 
most thrilling thing when you're

837
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,800
not allowed to make a sound. 
Well, let's okay. 

838
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,600
We're getting close to the end. 
Okay. 

839
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,900
It's happened to me on stage. 
By the way this kind of laughing

840
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:37,700
pick with Kieran during this is 
our youth. 

841
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,200
What were you just what we me 
and Karen had a we both gamble a

842
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,300
lot like we gamble together. 
That's kind of we're both 

843
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,800
degenerate gamblers. 
And the thing we had was We 

844
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,200
didn't want to like just trade 
money the whole time so we would

845
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600
gamble for push-ups. 
That's so good. 

846
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,400
Like oh, how much does on-demand
how many would it be like and be

847
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,500
like you owe me a hundred 
push-ups in the next they're 

848
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:58,900
good for the next week and then 
they expire but it's on demand. 

849
00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:01,100
So like we'll go to dinner the 
food will show up and then I'll 

850
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:03,400
say I need 20 push-ups and 
what's the maximum you could ask

851
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,200
for and you can only Dole out 
2020 against like some time in 

852
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,400
between or something. 
Yeah, that's amazing. 

853
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,900
So you'd be like interested 
humiliation. 

854
00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:12,000
Yeah, and then he's doing 
push-ups and people are looking 

855
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,300
so weak. 
I think I said like if you could

856
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:18,000
do this thing on stage I'll Oh 
you whatever like a dare, you 

857
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,600
know, and the thing was to do a 
really dumb delivery of a line 

858
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,400
to go like okay, that's it. 
There's a line of the play where

859
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,400
he goes. 
Okay, that's it. 

860
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Call Christian do this this and 
I said if you do it, like that's

861
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,700
it like an old Jimmy Durante 
like really lean into that. 

862
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:33,600
That was the Dare and then he 
did it like a hundred percent 

863
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,200
like he would always do just did
it. 

864
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:38,900
And as soon as he did it he held
in that pose for a second and we

865
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:41,500
looked at each other's eyes and 
we had to both look away. 

866
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,500
And then the scene went on he 
kept it and then but I knew as 

867
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:47,800
soon as we looked at each other 
you would start it was gonna be 

868
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,100
bad and then we did and then we 
just broke you were literally 

869
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,700
laughs we just broke. 
Yeah, we were laughing for like 

870
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:55,000
a minute. 
Well, I fell down on the bed 

871
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,800
laughing dying like it's usually
controller Lassie know the 

872
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,200
audience knew that the play had 
broken and they were laughing 

873
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,400
too. 
They were like enjoying it 

874
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,500
because they know you guys had 
broke. 

875
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:04,400
It was like a moment. 
Yeah. 

876
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,200
I mean it was like the whole 
house was fun. 

877
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,300
Do you get talk to you by likes?
No, nobody did but I mean we 

878
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:11,500
felt the pressure of like we 
have to get this thing back on 

879
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:13,800
the track this play. 
Like, you know, we can't like 

880
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,400
lose the stakes of all that 
we've built up to this point in 

881
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,300
the play this like near the end 
in the payoff is coming like and

882
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,700
these people paid you really 
have this thing in your mind of 

883
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:24,600
like professionalism, right? 
Because people literally spend 

884
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,800
their hard-earned money on 
expensive theater ticket and I 

885
00:40:26,808 --> 00:40:28,900
mean they sometimes I think 
people like to see when 

886
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:30,700
something goes wrong with it 
makes it kind of a special 

887
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:32,500
thing. 
Yeah, but wait I did have a 

888
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:35,000
sense of responsibility that 
made it 10 times harder. 

889
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,900
Oh my God, so it was a crazy 
feeling. 

890
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:38,700
I wish I could have seen that it
was pretty special. 

891
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:42,100
Yeah, but we got it back, you 
know got through the play. 

892
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:44,900
Yeah, man, you and Karen were so
good together. 

893
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:46,400
I love working with us a great 
actor. 

894
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,100
Yeah, he's an interesting guy. 
I don't know him very well. 

895
00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:50,800
And I'm through you. 
Yeah, it was funny. 

896
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,100
Like they just did a big article
about him in Vanity Fair a big 

897
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:57,400
profile. 
Yeah, and it's funny to see your

898
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,800
friend's life sort of like 
narrative. 

899
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,500
I used right like they sort of 
like tell her say was great. 

900
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:04,700
Yeah. 
They Digital Life in a way did 

901
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:06,800
he feel was a Creator did you 
feel as I didn't read it? 

902
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,600
I think yeah good hasn't yeah. 
That's such self-discipline. 

903
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,100
Yeah. 
I think I know why because it 

904
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:12,300
must be weird to read about your
life. 

905
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,200
Especially he's got this kind of
funny life hanging out with 

906
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,200
Michael Jackson. 
If I were to interview Karen in 

907
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,800
knew that like people got would 
be 100% of my writing for Vanity

908
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,300
Fair. 
Like what are you and what are 

909
00:41:24,308 --> 00:41:26,500
you interested in? 
Yeah, I guess it's a bit of a 

910
00:41:26,508 --> 00:41:28,100
monkey on his back. 
No pun intended. 

911
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:33,600
Who's the craziest person like 
Michael Jackson type figure 

912
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,600
you've ever met. 
I mean Michael jet that's a high

913
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,500
bar of insanity to I mean him 
being the Holy Grail of like odd

914
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:42,300
eccentric eccentric figures 
important figures. 

915
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,300
That have eccentricity to them 
maybe David Lynch. 

916
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:46,800
I got to hang out with him. 
I mean, I don't know him very 

917
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,100
well because I just spent like a
day with him but write to me 

918
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:50,800
seems like a person from another
planet. 

919
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,900
Yeah in the way that's like you 
just can't understand how they 

920
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:56,700
exist and how they're so great 
and you have conversation with 

921
00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:00,400
him that like confirmed your 
lover admiration for him just 

922
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,900
for just said I met him like 
made me appreciate how open of a

923
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,000
person he is. 
Yeah the way that I met him was 

924
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000
by going and doing 
Transcendental Meditation like 

925
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,600
signing up for it at the Lynch 
Foundation. 

926
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:13,700
Yeah. 
The TM Center. 

927
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,500
Yeah, there's a few of them you 
go over the course of four days 

928
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:18,500
to learn the method and then on 
the fourth day. 

929
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:20,100
There was this young girl. 
She's like, I'm from the David 

930
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:21,500
Lynch Foundation. 
Do you guys want to meet David 

931
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:23,300
Lynch and meditate with him 
sometime? 

932
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,300
We're like What like we really 
just walked in there and did 

933
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:29,300
this for four days and then she 
just appeared with an invitation

934
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:31,700
to go meet the master. 
I was like what is happening? 

935
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:33,600
This is crazy and then we didn't
really believe it until like a 

936
00:42:33,607 --> 00:42:35,200
month later. 
She was like, how's Thursday at 

937
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,300
David's house and he had a set 
his house at like noon and he 

938
00:42:39,308 --> 00:42:43,000
invited us up to like his 
painting studio and I got there 

939
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,100
before all my friends and I went
up and met him just one-on-one 

940
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:47,900
Frozen. 
I'm like hey, buddy. 

941
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,100
Hey Mike, he knew who I was. 
I think he was like, wow, how 

942
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,900
are you was he wearing the black
suit the way I don't think so. 

943
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:55,200
I don't know. 
I think he was wearing his like 

944
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,600
painting stuff Garb but he was 
so I mean that was like a 

945
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,000
miracle to me. 
Yeah, I could be invited to this

946
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,700
man Solomon made him and 
meditate with him. 

947
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:04,800
Yeah, you just like hung out of 
David Lynch's house. 

948
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,300
Yeah, we hung out for like, you 
know an hour and then we all 

949
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:09,300
left. 
I love that and then I got to 

950
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:11,500
work with him for like a day. 
Yeah, and yeah. 

951
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,100
No, I mean he's like Someone 
that I think is a different kind

952
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:15,900
of person. 
That's a great answer. 

953
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:17,400
Yeah. 
Do you have someone like that? 

954
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Mine would be it wasn't a long 
and it was just a great story 

955
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,500
for who the person was. 
I think I met Prince. 

956
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,300
Oh, wow. 
That's pretty great. 

957
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:29,100
We went to go see Prince. 
Oh, yeah. 

958
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:30,900
It's the whole couch High School
Musical. 

959
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:32,600
Yeah right on our first stop of 
the super bed. 

960
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,100
Tour another weird Superbad tour
thing. 

961
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,500
Yeah, the cast of High School 
Musical was on our floor had a 

962
00:43:37,508 --> 00:43:39,000
box. 
We all went to go see Prince 

963
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,200
yellow box. 
It was amazing. 

964
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,600
That's wild I met Prince very 
many many years ago and it was 

965
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,800
at his house I guess and it was 
a party like, you know is I can 

966
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,800
hissing. 
Oh, I know it was it was a it 

967
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:59,000
was when I presented the first 
time at the Academy Awards many 

968
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,200
many years ago Prince had like 
an after party and I think he 

969
00:44:02,207 --> 00:44:05,400
would have like an after party 
like a famous after party after 

970
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,100
them for many years, but I was 
20 I was like 24 or something. 

971
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:17,600
Yeah, and I went and I I met him
and what was awesome was I met 

972
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,900
him. 
He was wearing a crazy prince 

973
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:22,600
outfit, you know, like a cool 
prince outfit and we said a few 

974
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,700
words and he said hello. 
I have fun. 

975
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:26,600
Welcome to my house with her. 
I don't remember exactly what he

976
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:32,400
said and then he excused himself
and literally 20 seconds later. 

977
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,000
I turn around and he's having a 
conversation with someone else 

978
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,800
because wearing a completely 
different outfit. 

979
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:41,200
Yeah, and I'll just never forget
that he had somehow like like in

980
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,500
the Dave Chappelle Show. 
Version of like Prince, you 

981
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:47,000
know, like he had literally did 
an outfit change in like what 

982
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,600
felt to me like must have been 
like at tops 45 seconds. 

983
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,400
And that's my one image in 
France where he loves something 

984
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,400
very eccentric happened. 
Well like a little magic trick. 

985
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,300
Yeah, like just some sort of 
like what you would want him to 

986
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,000
do, but I loved it what that 
actually like the story that 

987
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,400
that actually tells it's like 
magical. 

988
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,300
It's like you turn around he's 
wearing different clothes, but 

989
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:14,300
the reality of it, is it me. 
This guy runs into his room and 

990
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:19,300
frantically changes his clothes.
It just I don't know how he'd he

991
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,200
must have had the clothes on 
underneath. 

992
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,000
Yeah. 
He had a Tearaway suit. 

993
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,600
Yeah like a Tearaway Prince suit
and like does he find that funny

994
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,800
that he would run into people he
was speaking to two minutes 

995
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,700
earlier in a completely 
different outfit confused 

996
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:35,200
though. 
Is that like comical is he just 

997
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,500
so swagged out that like, he's 
got have so much drip like so 

998
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:41,900
many different outfits. 
Yeah, I know. 

999
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:43,900
I love Prince. 
So so rest in peace. 

1000
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:46,900
Yeah, it's yeah, he was great 
Mikey. 

1001
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,400
I love you buddy. 
We did it. 

1002
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,500
This was scheduled enforced way 
for us to hang out. 

1003
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,400
You're doing a play. 
I think we should schedule this 

1004
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,500
more often everybody go see the 
wavery gallery Waverly wave just

1005
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:04,400
again want to take that again 
run that back into the Waverly 

1006
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,400
Gallery when I say, I think you 
said the waiver we Garrett 

1007
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,900
Garrity go see Mike in the wild 
Ali where it ended. 

1008
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:18,600
And the Brad caridy the brand go
see Michael in the Brad Garrity 

1009
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,000
the Brad Garrett. 
Okay, go see Michael as Brad 

1010
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,400
Garrity. 
I worked with Brad Garrity. 

1011
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,900
All right, let's stop. 
What did you work with him? 

1012
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,000
I want the last line to be I 
worked with probably know. 

1013
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,300
What did you wear to work with 
them just like a year ago on a 

1014
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,200
little movie called Gloria that 
Julianne Moore is Is Gloria 

1015
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:44,500
coming out soon? 
It's a remake of this Chilean 

1016
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:46,300
movie called Gloria that I love 
in the same. 

1017
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:48,500
Directory Yes Yes Master Level. 
Yeah. 

1018
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,500
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1019
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:50,800
How is Brad Garrett? 
He was great. 

1020
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,800
I mean we were like we talked 
about poker the whole time 

1021
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,800
because he lives in Las Vegas 
and he plays poker lives in Los.

1022
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,000
Yes, he does. 
He like owns a comedy club out 

1023
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,600
there something Brad Garrett 
owns a comedy club in Las Vegas 

1024
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,100
and lives out there. 
We need to go to Las Vegas and 

1025
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,100
go to the think that's right. 
Yeah, let's go. 

1026
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,400
Okay great. 
Great my kids. 

1027
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,000
Love you. 
It's a plan your love anybody. 

1028
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,000
I love you more than you know, 
you're the best. 

1029
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,400
This is great. 
Go see Michael Cera in the 

1030
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,600
Waverly Gallery. 
Thank you co-starring with 

1031
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,200
Elaine May. 
Well, when does this come out 

1032
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,100
this podcast January? 
We still be in the class. 

1033
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,400
We're basically done by the time
you'll go to see the final show 

1034
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,900
go read about the Waverly 
gallery go read about the 

1035
00:47:30,908 --> 00:47:35,900
reviews of the Waverly Gallery 
check starring Brad Garrett and 

1036
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:39,700
Michael in May and the other 
again, Karen Allen and looky 

1037
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:43,600
Hedges and David Crowe. 
Omer and David Cromer and go 

1038
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:51,200
rent tune style mid-90s or buy 
it or buy it. 

1039
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,000
Yeah, I mean talking about 
re-watch value talking about the

1040
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,100
re-watch ability of get this 
special feet. 

1041
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:59,800
I've seen it like 3,000 times. 
Is there a making-of there's 

1042
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,300
lots of that's what I want to 
see switch and there's deleted 

1043
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,900
kind of making of yeah, I want 
to see that we had really good 

1044
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:08,300
because all the kids were 
shooting the skateboarding. 

1045
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:10,000
Yeah, right. 
I'll see you have all that and a

1046
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,400
lot of its on that. 
Great, so it's really fun. 

1047
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:15,700
Oh, that sounds great. 
And I would see Michael and I 

1048
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,300
being friends hanging out in 
life in life. 

1049
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,000
Yeah, unless anything goes 
wrong. 

1050
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:27,300
Thanks for listening. 
The 824 podcast is produced by 

1051
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:31,400
us a 24 special. 
Thanks to our editor Tom Wyatt 

1052
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:33,400
and robot repair who composed 
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