1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,400 Hey and welcome back to the a24 podcast. 2 00:00:04,900 --> 00:00:07,400 You might know actress honor Swinton burn from her incredible 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,400 performance. In Joanna, Hogs the souvenir 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,400 Parts 1 and 2. For today's episode on are 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,400 called in from the remote Scottish Highlands for a 6 00:00:14,408 --> 00:00:16,900 long-distance conversation with a fan who was very excited to 7 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:18,000 meet her. Paul. 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,500 Mezcal also happens to be one of the most exciting, young actors 9 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:22,600 around, and he's starring in her upcoming film. 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,500 God's creatures. We hope you enjoyed the episode. 11 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,000 Listen to the very end for a surprise guest appearance. 12 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:33,700 I know what a sentence were shouting on the 824 podcast. 13 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,300 We've made it. What did you ask sir? 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,400 Okay. I will you allow me to like geek 15 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,500 out for a little second because I only found this out the other 16 00:00:41,500 --> 00:00:44,400 day with the souvenir. That there was no, I don't like, 17 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,000 I'm sure this is like not used to a lot of people but it was 18 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 news to me in that you didn't work from a kind of traditional 19 00:00:50,100 --> 00:00:52,600 script and what that looked like. 20 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,900 Because of both gives me kind of like, total fear and chills as a 21 00:00:56,900 --> 00:00:59,100 concept because I'm scared of it. 22 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:02,900 Also, I think it's like True Form acting that I'm yeah, I 23 00:01:02,900 --> 00:01:05,200 just love you to talk a little bit about that and what that was 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,100 like and were you scared? Or was it a? 25 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:11,400 Is it a form in which we really like to work? 26 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,100 So your question it was Jus. It was such a, it was very 27 00:01:16,100 --> 00:01:18,800 frightening and very freeing the same time. 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,900 It was very kind of like it was overwhelming. 29 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:25,200 Also felt very natural. I would really like to work. 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,900 Probably only like that in the future. 31 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,100 It feels like such a kind of organic. 32 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,900 The flow really interesting things happen. 33 00:01:32,900 --> 00:01:35,800 I think when you're improvising as another person, that's 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,600 interesting because you're accepting all the stimuli or 35 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,400 getting visually in or you know, through sound and everything. 36 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:46,100 People speaking to people, you know, seeing people coming at 37 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:50,000 you with knives as there was in one scene that I didn't know 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,500 what's going to happen. That was cut this drugs. 39 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:57,800 Either came at me with a knife and I'll say and then I had to 40 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,500 yeah, real. Is Judy but Arizona would kick 41 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:03,900 the guy. The knots Judy would like be a 42 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:08,199 bit of a victim. Yeah, so it's kind of And how do 43 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:11,500 you like, navigate, like, like how do you navigate the surprise 44 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:13,200 at? Like, I mean, like when you're 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:18,100 in character in a scene, like, do you find that the process has 46 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:21,300 evolved to the point where Joanna and through conversations 47 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:25,000 with yourself and Joanna that arrived on set with in that kind 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,200 of space within Julie's world, but when something actually 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,500 surprises you to the lines blur at all, like you find that there 50 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:34,700 is like an amalgamation of honor and Julia moments or are you in 51 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:36,500 a position? I bet you know that characters. 52 00:02:36,700 --> 00:02:38,500 Well, that is just like two separate people. 53 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:41,900 You know what I'm trying to say, like, where do the lines blur in 54 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:43,600 that? Ya know, and you're saying it so 55 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,500 well, because I tried to explain this to people and I haven't 56 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:48,200 explained as well as you just did there. 57 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,200 The kind of the lines blur. Absolutely, the lines blur they 58 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,000 really do, you know, I didn't think they would and I think 59 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:59,100 over time they did more because she was like my auntie go by the 60 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:01,300 end of it. And then, as your maybe see in 61 00:03:01,300 --> 00:03:06,000 part two, we truly an honor, get very, very close in. 62 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,300 Tea and sort of tell that it's really interesting. 63 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:13,600 So we start off the first souvenir as someone who's very 64 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,700 different to me, but somebody who I once was very interesting, 65 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:21,100 me enough and then at the end of the second one, its kind of 66 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:23,800 Honor. So it's kind of more things 67 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,600 iteration happens. And it's interesting because 68 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,800 when speaking with Joanna about Superman tries, it's amazing. 69 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,500 Yeah. I feel like Joanna said, she 70 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:35,400 sort of, I mean, I don't want to put words in her mouth, but I 71 00:03:35,408 --> 00:03:39,200 understood from her that she I have a sort of very precise, 72 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:42,800 clear, sort of climax of the second one. 73 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:45,200 She wanted to see where I took it. 74 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,800 Okay? With her guidance and it just 75 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,900 really excited to cool kind of unpredictable. 76 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:57,000 Yeah turn to it. But yeah, absolutely the 77 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,700 characters really meshed. So they really kind of merged in 78 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:04,800 good ways and bad. I feel like a lot of the time I 79 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,100 would react in the scenes very He you know quite kind of ballsy 80 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,500 and aggressive and certain of myself and Joanna's a cat. 81 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:16,600 Coco got no one. I'd like just remember that 82 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,200 you're not you haven't quite got the holes yet. 83 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,200 You haven't quite you're not quite there yet. 84 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,500 You're still good and you're in this really weird way, 85 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:25,200 emotionally abusive relationship. 86 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,200 So just don't appear. So it would take a few goes 87 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,400 sometimes. Yeah, but yeah, like you'd that 88 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,100 the scenes with yourself like I love like the scenes with 89 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:39,000 yourself and Tom and Like your mother like incredible, but that 90 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,500 kind of that. I feel like the form, like, the 91 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:44,200 shooting for, like the just the format of like not having a 92 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,600 screen like essentially, it to me watching the film and the 93 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,000 film's about manipulation and gas lighting which is kind of 94 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,100 weirdly ingrained in the shooting process in a safer in a 95 00:04:54,108 --> 00:04:56,900 safer way, you know, like it's like you're being drip fed this 96 00:04:56,900 --> 00:05:01,300 information as the character is are not to like explain what it 97 00:05:01,300 --> 00:05:04,000 was for you but from an audience's perspective, I feel 98 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,300 like having never learnt about that's the way. 99 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,500 You shot it. It makes total sense. 100 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:12,700 It's like you are in a similar emotional and mental state as 101 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:15,400 the character and and that's where it like really helps to 102 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,700 blur the lines. I feel like from a process point 103 00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:20,100 of view, right. That's exactly as by one and 104 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:22,600 it's such a good way. It's such a good way to work. 105 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,200 When you're particularly doing all this, very it's all 106 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,000 improvised. Obviously, it's all, you know, 107 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,700 literally, I'm not told and not given any lines and I think, 108 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:35,000 yeah, I Joanna just sort of was the puppet master in just such a 109 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,000 genius. Wait. 110 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,000 Liam. So like safe, gentle as you say, 111 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,800 like so secure and I trusted her to it to the ends of the Earth. 112 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:50,000 Yeah, but it really was this very consensual, very 113 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,700 interesting that very different in this plot line, but very 114 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:57,000 consensual. So naivety that I just 115 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,200 surrendered to. Yeah. 116 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,300 And interestingly enough and Tom had read the, I mean there 117 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:05,300 wasn't a script but there was a there was a manuscript, a thing 118 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:09,100 during the closet. Right, which was just like pages 119 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:14,500 of pros and descriptions of scenes and no lumps or anything, 120 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:17,100 but he had read that. I've never seen it still to this 121 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:20,200 day. I have no idea what to Hannah, 122 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:25,300 like envisioned before we shot. It is quite nice to not see it 123 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:27,700 because then I can't compare it. To what? 124 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:30,700 It could have been or anything. It's sort of quite it's yeah, 125 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:32,700 it's just organic. I keep coming back to this world 126 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:36,500 like it's just very. Yeah, just happened in a really 127 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:41,200 Whole natural way. And yeah, I mean, I met Tom for 128 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,800 the first time in the scene when I actually met him on camera 129 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,900 like incredible. It was so weird. 130 00:06:45,900 --> 00:06:49,800 So the scene in there, the bit in the first film where I meet 131 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,200 him is, I've never died. I didn't know what actor the 132 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,100 actor did. You know who I joy to adjoint 133 00:06:57,500 --> 00:07:00,700 like that just doesn't happen anymore, like that kind of like, 134 00:07:00,700 --> 00:07:04,000 that's such an experience. It's so cool. 135 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,000 That's such an easy. And it's Ford like what? 136 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,900 So, what? I love about that is that that's 137 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:10,800 just for you? Like the audience doesn't know 138 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:13,200 that this is the first time that the two actors have met. 139 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,500 Like that's so it's like I loved one directors. 140 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:20,200 Make it like when they make it harder to protect that because I 141 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,100 like I think it's all like to a certain extent about pretending 142 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:25,600 but when when they make it that bit easier to not pretend like 143 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,000 when it's like they put things in but they put structures or 144 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 like scenarios and place where it like gets the little like 145 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,600 child in your mind. Excited about the fact that this 146 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,200 is this Version of like your imagination is actually closer 147 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,700 to the truth than like the imagine what I'm trying to say 148 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:44,700 like, that one, exactly. Yeah. 149 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:47,800 When it's like, being held up as like, like a fat like, when, 150 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,000 when you're acting in a scene and it's almost like a fantasy 151 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,100 of your imagination because it's your in and, or like you're in a 152 00:07:54,100 --> 00:07:56,800 period of History meeting somebody for the first time and 153 00:07:56,808 --> 00:07:59,200 you're actually meeting for the first time at. 154 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,300 That's a that's like not a fully articulated thought but I just 155 00:08:02,300 --> 00:08:05,200 got excited about being in her shoes in that position. 156 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,300 I'd be like this is like Mike Kryptonite stories. 157 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:10,800 I hope you do not want to see. I can't wait. 158 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,200 I feel like you're one day. Have an experience similar 159 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:19,400 because it's It's so amazing. And it's so interesting because 160 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:25,000 I can't take credit for how believable it seems because it 161 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,200 really it's real. So it's almost like no, but of 162 00:08:28,207 --> 00:08:31,200 course you can write like in the sense that like, it doesn't 163 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,799 matter if it's real or not. You still got to do and you did 164 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:36,700 so brilliantly. Like you've still got to like I 165 00:08:36,700 --> 00:08:39,799 feel like there's weirdly more pressure on you given the fact 166 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:42,700 that you like know that all of this has been put in place to 167 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:45,700 support you that you then. I have to be totally present and 168 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:48,200 like, allow it to kind of flourish. 169 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,000 And and, and be the moment that Joanna is hoping it will be. 170 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,200 And I don't totally is my film and like, yeah. 171 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:56,900 Yeah. Well, she just designed it in 172 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:58,900 such a, it really was like a dance. 173 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:01,600 It was so Corey. It was so choreographs and it 174 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,600 only ever realized. Now actually, how I don't want 175 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,700 to say control, they don't want to use that word, but how kind 176 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:12,000 of structured it actually kind of was because to me, because I 177 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,100 was the only one on sack who had He didn't get call sheets, who 178 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:17,400 had no idea what seems we were doing. 179 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,700 I was the only one and so I was so upset. 180 00:09:21,900 --> 00:09:25,400 So out of my death. I was like floundering in a good 181 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,700 way and joy floundering. Yeah, but everyone else was 182 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:32,100 completely aware of how this thing was going to start. 183 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:35,400 How to see was going to end and whatever happened down that 184 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,200 path, whatever Journey we took in the sort of Sandwich. 185 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,000 Filling of that was, you know, I haven't for the sort of, 186 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,500 interpretation of the actors and so just like, Or a nerd nerdy 187 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:48,700 question in terms of like how you went about shooting that. 188 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:50,900 Like so I can't imagine there is a huge amount of rehearsal. 189 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:53,700 But in the sense that like in terms of coverage, like if 190 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:57,500 they're looking to keep you the actor and Julie and the dark, 191 00:09:57,500 --> 00:09:59,100 did they shoot your coverage first? 192 00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:01,900 They should Masters first, or how did that work in terms of 193 00:10:01,900 --> 00:10:04,100 like filmmaking process side of things? 194 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:06,400 Like how was that style protected with there was? 195 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,700 No rehearsals at all. So, we would often yes. 196 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:14,200 Shoot, each scene twice and move on. 197 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,000 This like massive massive better film, The will cut out because 198 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,400 we shot. I think in total. 199 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,100 I think each film took about two months to shoot really short, 200 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:26,100 right? Really, really quick. 201 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,900 And what often happens is, Joanna is she would shoot for 20 202 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:31,800 minutes. They should do a 20-minute take, 203 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,800 and then kind of take the week until right around 60. 204 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,700 Ml. How long could that run for? 205 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,100 I think like so these are all super nerdy questions, but like 206 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:44,100 so that's so that's so the my can take 20 minutes I would 207 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,500 Should know this. Like I kind of I do something. 208 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:49,400 Yeah, I should know this, but I think it is about 20 minutes. 209 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,900 I think that's could I do, remember they were like there 210 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:54,700 was maybe we would just kind of run and the Jew on. 211 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:57,800 It was just amazing to witness like these people. 212 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,500 That just knew so much about film and they were like proper 213 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:03,200 nerdy. Like yeah, these had been their 214 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,200 lives like they'd gone to film school and they like maybe 215 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,500 student films that no one really wants to work on and they failed 216 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:11,700 and being kind of like it's so amazing. 217 00:11:11,700 --> 00:11:16,700 So I was like I was it wasn't Credible to pretend pretend to 218 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:18,800 be a film school. When I kind of like when all 219 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,600 these people had actually witnessed it and kind of had 220 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,100 been in that position before. And I just the fact that like 221 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:27,600 film is making a comeback in terms of like I don't know if 222 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,700 you feel but it's so it's I think it changes everything when 223 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:34,200 you're like, it's it's really like coming back. 224 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,200 Like the fact that people just want to shoot on 30. 225 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,000 I know you guys shot on 16 but like 35 is coming back. 226 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Like his in the last. The next thing I'm doing is on 227 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,100 35 in the night, the last two, Things have been on 35 and it's 228 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:49,900 just such a, it's like something that like you listen to older 229 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:53,700 actors talk about in the sense that like they ask if you've 230 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,200 shot on film or things like this and its really, I don't even 231 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,600 know what my point is. I'm just kind of excited that 232 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,800 it's coming back and that we get to do it, and that it's this, it 233 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,600 does feel like kind of, when you hear about musicians, like 234 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,200 recording on tape rather than digitally feels like that. 235 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,700 It's richer or something. Exact, makes everything less 236 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:14,600 kind of like disposable. I think it makes like like 237 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,200 performance and choice, like it's not just like run through 238 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,600 and we'll try it tons of times and I think it requires a kind 239 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:28,400 of attention and focus and kind of discipline which I do, which 240 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:34,200 I find like hugely important and yeah, but it is 0.2 made there 241 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,000 other than I was like, yeah that's coming back and like to 242 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,300 get to like like act for a full like my gun film and Joanna's 243 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:46,500 not calling code is like so Into here, but I'm amazing. 244 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:49,800 Yeah, and it was so it's like it's very sensible to me. 245 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,700 The fact that I picked is so precious. 246 00:12:51,700 --> 00:12:54,700 They transporting a film afterwards was like such a 247 00:12:54,700 --> 00:12:57,200 massive parade God, whether there's going to be a hair in 248 00:12:57,208 --> 00:12:59,500 the gate and the whole thing was going to be gone. 249 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:02,000 Like it was just any sort of this something. 250 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,300 So. Yeah, you can almost taste like 251 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:06,800 when you're watching it the graininess, the like that. 252 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:07,500 Yeah. Yeah. 253 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:09,200 Exactly what you say. It's so nice. 254 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,200 It's so personal. There's something. 255 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,300 So, like Roar about it then. Digital personal quite it's not 256 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:20,400 the same thing, but enough about me, please. 257 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,000 Please tell me what it was like to work. 258 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,600 Where did you shoot normal people? 259 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:32,200 We shot it like mostly in Dublin and Sligo and Italy and like I 260 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,000 like I was telling you for I saw your film when I was shooting 261 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,400 your own people with Daisy. We went to Seminary like was 262 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,900 like long week and were like, hey, let's just go see this. 263 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:44,200 And so yeah, it's a feel like it. 264 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:48,400 Linked in that sense, but I'm here, we started the summer of I 265 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,300 think, 2019 and yeah, it's kind of crazy that it's still to a 266 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:56,800 certain extent. People talk about it, which is a 267 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,100 really exciting. And yeah, of course. 268 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:01,500 My God, it's literally is all my friends talk about. 269 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,800 It's just and they don't talk about enough, like it's just 270 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,000 it's I yeah, I can't get it, but I've never met Daisy. 271 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,100 So, we share the same agency and I've never know. 272 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:12,800 I've never met her. Oh, fun. 273 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,800 I've heard like just so she's Like, the best. 274 00:14:16,900 --> 00:14:21,000 Oh, yeah, like I feel like she's just wanted, like, it genuinely 275 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,200 one of a kind of talking to her the other day. 276 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,600 And it's a weird thing that I like we were talking about like, 277 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,000 having spent so much time with each other that summer and then 278 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,400 covid happens. And we spend so much time on 279 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,800 zooms with each other talking about the thing and then 280 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,200 suddenly the world opens up. And we're so lucky that that 281 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,600 shows, like then allowed us to work in like different corners 282 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,500 of the world on projects that were really excited. 283 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:46,000 But we essentially really haven't really hung out. 284 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:50,000 I'm kind of like decompress together about like wasps that 285 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,500 I'm shooting experience was. So we're like trying to plan 286 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:56,400 around Christmas when we can hang out and see each other. 287 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,000 So it's a, but I feel like we've got like, for both of us, we 288 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,500 talked about the fact that like, so much has happened and two 289 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:04,300 years. The feels like six months, but 290 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:08,000 there's no real point there, but it's just been a lot has 291 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,600 happened to us and I'd like, we just yeah. 292 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Yeah, that's how I feel as well. It's just flown by, but just so 293 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,900 much has been Been condensed. I mean I've been at Uni online 294 00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:22,800 which is so shit. It doesn't feel like I've been 295 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,100 studying. Yeah, my brother's the same. 296 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:26,700 He's like sick of it. How old is your brother? 297 00:15:27,300 --> 00:15:31,100 My brother is 20. Oh Jesus, it's 22. 298 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,200 He's 22. He's 22. 299 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:35,300 I'm sorry. Donna. 300 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:39,000 Kay. It's funny to study. 301 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:45,400 He is studying a chore management and he's like my 302 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,100 sisters. Is that she's an amazing singer. 303 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:50,700 And my brother is like the person that you turn to in a 304 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:57,500 moment of Crisis, who is so chill and kind in a way that is 305 00:15:57,500 --> 00:16:01,900 like, so disarming, like he plays rugby and like, he's big 306 00:16:01,900 --> 00:16:05,900 strong boy, but he's like, collectively as a family, we 307 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:08,900 turn to Donna, kafir. Like a kind of level-headed 308 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,400 voice. So, yeah, hate your feels like 309 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:16,100 he's whatever whatever he does is just get like, he'll be 310 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,200 Public facing people person, I get such a kick out of getting a 311 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,600 shoutout in the 824 podcast role. 312 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,800 He took my hair. I know I just I love here we go. 313 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,300 People talk about their siblings like when they really really 314 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,400 love them. I just get sad. 315 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,600 I don't know what it is. It's like different took my 316 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,800 friends or parents feel like if I really hated him like imagine. 317 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,200 I really hated him. I feel like I would perform 318 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:46,700 loving him on the a 24 podcast, you know, well, Exactly. 319 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:48,700 Actually, we're gonna bring forward a minute, but actually 320 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:50,700 like my brother. Oh, he's publicly. 321 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:54,400 I I hate him. I'm gonna sit Nikon him before. 322 00:16:54,500 --> 00:16:57,000 Okay, great. He's gonna get annoyed. 323 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,200 Even listen to this. If you what I can't even pretend 324 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:06,300 you hate each other. Hey, each other which winds like 325 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,300 each other. Anyway, enough everyone about 326 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:13,900 him enough a little bit. So your sister. 327 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,700 She's how did you get started in all this? 328 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:22,300 How did You like what like in in the world of acting and yeah, 329 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,900 how did it all start for you to know? 330 00:17:24,900 --> 00:17:28,200 I wish I could tell you I don't I I never planned it. 331 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:33,400 I never I remember Joanna cost me like two weeks before we 332 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,500 started shooting the first souvenir like 10 days. 333 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:38,600 Maybe and well, I like just left school. 334 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,200 I was sorry. Yeah crazy. 335 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:43,600 Yeah. So 10 days before and you find 336 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,500 out you're going to knock out a script and Cut my hair. 337 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:50,300 Don't know who you're going to be acting with go picture. 338 00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:53,200 Like that's I really cut my hair like kitchens. 339 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,000 Yes. That's a bathroom. 340 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:58,700 It was like really incredible. It was so weird at the time. 341 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:00,300 It was like such an adrenaline High. 342 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:01,900 I was like, brilliant. Fantastic. 343 00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:05,200 I'm like, just that school and I was a florist assistant at the 344 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,100 time. So I was like to go into 345 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:13,500 weddings and carrying buckets of like shit everywhere for months 346 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,100 and then Joanna came to say to talk to my mother. 347 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,000 About the souvenir because my mom was always connected to it, 348 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,000 and I'll add about it, how my mom sort of speak about this 349 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,800 amazing film. Do I know is going to make about 350 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,300 her younger years and being a film student, the 80s. 351 00:18:28,300 --> 00:18:30,200 I was like, wow, that's so cool. Fantastic. 352 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,300 I like, oh, you're going to be the mom? 353 00:18:31,300 --> 00:18:36,000 That's amazing. Never even entered my brain. 354 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,400 That it would be. That I would be involved in any 355 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,500 way. I was like, oh, maybe I'll be an 356 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:41,500 extra. Like maybe I'll be, I know your 357 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:44,100 mother would be playing your mother like that when you 358 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:46,100 actually own pocket, it's, there's so much. 359 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 There's so much going on, like it's just incredible. 360 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:53,600 My dogs are in it that my dogs as well and like all that. 361 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,100 I wear a lot of my mom's clothes and the second one, all of the 362 00:18:57,100 --> 00:19:00,100 stuff toys and all the pillows and all the decorations. 363 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:02,400 And the first one on mine, like a from my bedroom. 364 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:08,300 Like, it's weird, like It's So Meta, it's just amazing. 365 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,700 Everything was, yeah. It was amazing. 366 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:14,700 So yeah, she came to stay and I remember I came back from 367 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,100 Singapore Sling. I think we were, I think we met 368 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:20,500 in train station. We met in Barrack pondweed 369 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,900 station and I was coming back from Edinburgh and she was going 370 00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:30,000 to London and we met on the platform and it was really rainy 371 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:33,300 and we went and sat in a cafe Nero because I remember, we 372 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:36,000 walked away without paying by accident and we sat there for 373 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:41,200 like, for three hours and she asked me, I had no idea. 374 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,900 She was you know, observing me or sort of, interviewing me, 375 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:48,000 casting me. That she was just asking 376 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,800 questions about ex-boyfriends and weird sort of gaslighting 377 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,500 experiences. I do, you know, had I think 378 00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:57,800 quite recently at that point and I was just talking really freely 379 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,000 and I remember, I remember I look back now seeing it slightly 380 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,300 differently. And she, yeah, she was just 381 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:07,300 looking at me. And she was like, God. 382 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:08,500 That's so interesting. Fantastic. 383 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:11,100 It's just like putting you in a film as you were speaking. 384 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,900 That's crazy. I got home. 385 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:17,800 And she was like, so, Do you want to do? 386 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,400 Wanna be in the film? And I'll say, yeah. 387 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:23,400 Yeah, it's your stuff like, right, that day at the kitchen 388 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,500 table and she was kind of want to be in it. 389 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:30,200 I don't need an answer. Now. 390 00:20:30,700 --> 00:20:32,700 How will you think about it and get back to me? 391 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:34,600 Because it's a big commitment, you know, we're going to do two 392 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:40,200 films and it will be over like four years and it's like very 393 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,800 low budget, and very kind of like, you wouldn't know about 394 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,100 the skewer and read the script. Wouldn't really know the story 395 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:48,100 and I was like, me out, know him. 396 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,500 Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. 397 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:52,200 She was like, I don't think you're quite understanding, 398 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,000 like, what's what I'm presenting to you. 399 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,300 And I was like, no, no, let's do it. 400 00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:58,500 And if we just, and we did it like 10 days later and it was 401 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:02,000 such a fast decision ever made. Amazing. 402 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,000 It was super cool. That's incredible. 403 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,800 Are you allowed to talk about? Like it's not like the things 404 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,100 that you've just done about the projects. 405 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:16,100 You just think. I can't really top secret. 406 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:19,700 Yeah, I'm like, well, one of the film's is a 10-8 24 film. 407 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:24,600 That has been like an ounce, so I can talk about. 408 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,300 Yeah, I time. I can't like, I can't wait. 409 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:29,900 It's a film called them God's creatures. 410 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,600 We shot it in Ireland. Emily Watson, plays. 411 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:39,300 My mom and I love her deeply and I'm just excited for the film 412 00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:42,500 and the context of like wash. It's dark. 413 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:48,400 It's incredibly well-written and I'm just, I'm really excited to 414 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,800 see what the kind of film going audience's. 415 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,900 Response is. To it. 416 00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:56,200 And it was directed by Anna and silly. 417 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,800 It's an Irish film directed by two. 418 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,000 Women who live in New York, which I'm super excited about it 419 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,100 for like from an Irish creative standpoint that it were. 420 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:08,300 It's not like I feel like the gatekeeping of our own cultures 421 00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:11,000 as kind of got to change a little bit in terms of like 422 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,200 let's get like brilliant directors in to examine us 423 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,800 culturally and I'm not start the discussion from from there and 424 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,500 which I like in terms of like narrative stuff. 425 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:25,600 It's I can't. Really talk about it, but I'm 426 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,900 just really excited for it to come out. 427 00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:29,300 I don't know what I could be next year at some point, but I'm 428 00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:35,200 slightly 24 family or a 24/5. Exactly. 429 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,800 They're very good to us. That was always like one of my 430 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,000 kind of, but they're very good at my God. 431 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,600 I'd love to be in it. It's like the opposite of 432 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,500 talking about our brothers that we hate. 433 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:57,900 Actually, it's illegal. Yeah, exactly. 434 00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:00,900 Exactly. So we're, yes. 435 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:02,600 We're in Ireland is home for you. 436 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,800 So my family are from playstore Maynooth, like an hour away from 437 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,300 Dublin. It's kind of like that. 438 00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:14,100 Something like, that's probably technically home and like, I'm 439 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:16,600 going home for Christmas, which is going to be exciting, but 440 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,900 home is kind of, like, at the moment. 441 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:22,300 It's kind of all all over the place, like I don't live there. 442 00:23:22,308 --> 00:23:25,300 I was living in London. And last year and then with 443 00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:28,900 work, I'm kind of like the cliche thing of like, living out 444 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:35,000 of a suitcase and, which is wonderful, but also kind of, 445 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,000 like, at moments, like, anxiety and siding on my crew. 446 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:42,900 If shit, hit the fan. I, I love my family very much, 447 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:45,900 but I don't necessarily want to go back to my like, own bedroom. 448 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:49,000 So I'm kind of in the process now, kind of figuring out. 449 00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:53,900 Where I want to be in the world, which I always thought, we'd 450 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:56,600 just be like, an easy like he's like, which is naive. 451 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,000 I was like, yeah, probably like to live in London for a couple 452 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,400 of years and come back home and I like I'm definitely known in 453 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,100 flux in terms of just that figuring out exactly where I 454 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:09,000 want to be. But what about you? 455 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,800 It's home. Home is your own Union. 456 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,800 Edinburgh, home in London, Edinburgh, in Scotland. 457 00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:17,600 It's just like, it's just got a beeper. 458 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:21,300 I don't know, but you I'm in the same kind of weird. 459 00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:23,800 I mean, not exactly the same. I'm not traveling as much but 460 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,400 it's, it's being. So I just turned 24. 461 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,600 So we're the same age and it's a weird stage because you're just, 462 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,200 you're kind of you're not just kind of creeps on any make life 463 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,900 decisions. Yeah, you're not that young 464 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:39,100 anymore. And I'm like, I'm young and do 465 00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:40,800 whatever what I mean. It's like no I'm in my mid 466 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,400 twenties. They know I actually call it but 467 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,000 then you're not you're not remotely on and like slowly 468 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,000 developing a bad back, but I'm glad you know, you're getting 469 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,100 old when Like make a noise and you stand up your and now I'm 470 00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:56,600 like gonna call my joints. I'll say what's wrong with me. 471 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,700 Like I'm being possessed by this old like woman. 472 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:03,700 Oh man, really. And it's just weird like, it's 473 00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:06,700 weird being this age and also just yeah, just working out 474 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:09,900 where you kind of belong and where you want your place to be. 475 00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:13,000 Not your family's know. Your partner is not H like where 476 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,400 your kind of Nest should be. But yeah, I think it's about 477 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,500 like being patient with us. Certain extent. 478 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:24,200 Just because what I've learned over the last few years is that 479 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,200 like displacement is kind of part and parcel of it all and 480 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,100 kind of its kind of a contradiction. 481 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:36,200 It's like I hated but I've kind of got to be at peace with it in 482 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,700 the sense that like you go onto these set and you're going to 483 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:42,900 rehearsals rehearsal rooms and B innate nature. 484 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:46,700 These people become more like family or their closest people 485 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:51,800 to you for an extended period of time and Then you go away and 486 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:57,100 you go to a new home somewhere else, and I think it is about, I 487 00:25:57,100 --> 00:26:00,200 don't know, being patient with ourselves and our mid twenties 488 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,600 and and like not every decision. Right? 489 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,500 Like I find like listening back to like interviews that I said. 490 00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:08,700 Well, not like normal people was coming out or things. 491 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:14,000 It's like nothing we say now is actually, or has to be binary. 492 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,700 The one thing that I've or that, I feel like I have to be Binary 493 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:22,300 is like our outlook on the world as human beings, you know, it's 494 00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:26,900 like what are your core values? The rest can fucking move and 495 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,900 change as much as it wants. And I think it should. 496 00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,800 I think that's what it was. We were both trying to say. 497 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,600 Oh, that's what I'm trying to say is like, I'm figuring my 498 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:41,100 self out and I'll like gonna try and start enjoying that process 499 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:45,700 rather than being scared of us. I think and there's a sound bite 500 00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:47,800 right there, Joe. This is what I was thinking. 501 00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:52,100 Is that when I was earlier, when I was talking earlier about why 502 00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:54,700 normal people, why I felt so comforted by it. 503 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:56,600 And when I said that I was like, that's so strange. 504 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,700 Like I haven't said that out loud, but that's like really 505 00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:01,500 from my gut. That's what I feel about it. 506 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,900 And I was trying to kind of like as we've been talking about what 507 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:07,000 I mean by that and I think you just hit the nail on the head 508 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,900 saying that we just being patient with ourselves and I 509 00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:13,900 think that's what normal people was to me. 510 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,800 A lot is about people fucking up. 511 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:21,200 Up and people learning from things and people just and I 512 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:27,200 take such comfort in cinema and TV and things like portraying 513 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,100 people being people and not being like these gods or these, 514 00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:34,100 they dream people that like never fuck up or no, make 515 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:37,200 mistakes or never, like, learn from their mistakes will be 516 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:42,300 Young and Reckless and learning like I think it just it really. 517 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:46,000 Yeah, I felt so comforting. I felt I was like, yes, thank 518 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,500 you so much else. Like showing me that it's It's a 519 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,600 just do what I want for a second and then slowly regret. 520 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,200 It afterwards. Don't really actually because I 521 00:27:53,208 --> 00:27:55,800 learned from it totally. I don't know what I think. 522 00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,500 Yeah, but if you like, what's different is like in a like in a 523 00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:03,200 way that is like both positive and negative is like we're in a 524 00:28:03,208 --> 00:28:07,300 position now where essentially we're having a child and we are 525 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:14,000 talking about like Our opinions on things now as it like as of 526 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,200 what day does, it's like 19th of November. 527 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,600 These are our opinions now is like a 24 and a 25 year old but 528 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,200 it's for like two to a certain extent. 529 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,500 This is for like public consumption and I suppose it's 530 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:29,000 like we're how do you feel a bit like access? 531 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,700 Like because I think I love that. 532 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:33,900 I get to talk to another like like-minded creative person. 533 00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:37,800 But there's also the part of panic, in my like the ugly part 534 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,200 of my brain. That's like Thank you for 535 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,600 watching. Like, of course, think about 536 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,900 what you're saying, like, a normal fucking human being, but 537 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:47,000 I always kind of, like, protecting yourself like 538 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000 basically, it's a question. How do you feel about, like, 539 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,000 access to yourself? And your thought and your 540 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,300 opinions? Where do you feel those lines 541 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:54,900 blur? And what makes you anxious in? 542 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:59,400 That regard is basically public being public facing and what not 543 00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:03,200 to do, what I think. I don't see enough. 544 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,600 People speaking their mind, and it annoys me a little bit 545 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,100 because I'm like, please, Just say what you think? 546 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:14,300 Just have unpopular opinions. And this is what I'm loving 547 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:17,400 about this conversation is because I can really, I'm good. 548 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,200 It's so open. What's going on here? 549 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,500 And I think yeah, but to answer your question is so funny. 550 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,400 I feel lots of different things is that I always have this 551 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,800 anxiety in these interviews. I remember, I said something 552 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,500 really awful. I'm trying to remember what it 553 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,100 was to an interviewer and I could just see him scrub it 554 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:34,800 down. I was like, oh no, I didn't mean 555 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,000 it that way. I didn't mean to insult. 556 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,200 That's not. What do I do? 557 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,200 Think? The Oscars is great. 558 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:41,900 Brilliant, fantastic or something like that. 559 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,400 And then I was attacked. She knows about it because 560 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,900 that's what I feel and I might feel differently in a week, but 561 00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:49,300 put that down because I feel like, you know, besides yeah, 562 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,900 and I really should apologize for that. 563 00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:54,000 I just think it's, I don't know, it's which is me all know, 564 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,800 definitely what they feel, but there always is that little, 565 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,000 like, I'm gonna be part of your brain. 566 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,700 So she agreed to put it that little, that little voice being 567 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:04,000 like, be careful, like you're gonna insult, someone like not 568 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,800 careful. People are gonna use this as 569 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,300 their Sound by for you. That game, which is going to be 570 00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:13,600 a headline somewhere. And also, it doesn't feel like 571 00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:16,300 I'm saying this as somebody who actually deeply cares about. 572 00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:19,300 Like, if I'm being honest, I deeply care what people think of 573 00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:22,500 me and like, part of that is like a problem. 574 00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:24,900 And part of that is just innately who I am. 575 00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:28,000 I want people to definitely from a working standpoint. 576 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,700 It's like I always what, like, six I remember writing down and 577 00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:33,400 like, no to might like at the end of drama school is like, 578 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,400 what does success look like to you? 579 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,100 And I remember thinking, like, success to me is like, not be 580 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,400 like you can't be. Be to everyone's tastes like 581 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,500 creatively, but I want I would love people to like 582 00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:47,300 conclusively. Assume that like, oh, whether 583 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:49,300 he's your taste or not. He's a good actor and he's good. 584 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:52,200 But what he does really like that, to me is what success 585 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,200 looks like, but also it's an unhealthy kind of mindset. 586 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,100 You know, it's like you can't I'm definitely people-pleasing. 587 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:01,200 I think that was like I came off social media last year in an 588 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,700 attempt to kind of put a bit of control around that and be like 589 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:08,500 I have this innately in me, but I don't need to like see what 590 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:11,600 people think of me. All the fucking time and it's 591 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,500 it's totally ego-driven and it's like, but also I think it's in, 592 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:19,000 it's an important part of being an actor or maybe might disagree 593 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,400 but I don't feel like we're doing it for ourselves. 594 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,700 Part of us is doing it because we in love doing it, but we're 595 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:28,600 making things for people to see and View and talk about and with 596 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,400 that comes a kind of dissection of you as a person and as an 597 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,200 actor and it's like where those two things line up is, where I 598 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,900 like that is the center point of my anxiety. 599 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,100 Though the where those two things merge, like that's like 600 00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:45,800 that is. That's where that's where that 601 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,100 is. The only part of my brain that 602 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:50,100 I'm describing. I completely agree with you. 603 00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:52,900 I agree that. I think it's not for yourself. 604 00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:55,600 It shouldn't be. I think it is for many people, 605 00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:57,600 but it's really, it's not, it's not for me. 606 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,900 It's not for you. And I think it's, it's very 607 00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:02,200 giving it's very gonna. Oh, that's my intention. 608 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,800 Anyway with it. Is it really is for other 609 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,800 people? It's for the entertainment. 610 00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:09,000 It's a beautiful thing. So it's a move people and to 611 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,800 make You will feel comforted in lockdown. 612 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,200 You know, it's a good, it's a good Comfort them with trauma to 613 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,000 the traumatizing television. That's what you make them. 614 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,200 Glad they're like, sucking on it, you know, but, no, I 615 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,100 completely lie. Completely agree with you and I 616 00:32:25,108 --> 00:32:28,800 think that's a beautiful you mentality, but I do know what. 617 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,400 I fucking hate social media as someone who's on social. 618 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,700 I definitely don't believe it's like, it's me and I'm holding it 619 00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:38,600 and I do, I think it's fucking, it's just ego-driven. 620 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,000 It's all for you. I sell because you all, you're 621 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,200 getting these like snow, but it's like, I feel like some 622 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,700 people are able to navigate it. So well, write. 623 00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:46,600 Like some people being able to like, I'm not one of those 624 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,400 people. I feel like half that part of 625 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,800 their, I know, I just get fucking scared of it. 626 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,600 I'm just like, okay. Well, this one person thinks 627 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,700 this of me. Therefore, that person is 628 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:59,700 represented as a representative of, like, 90% of the population. 629 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:04,200 Therefore, I am hated and it's like, I know it's what, when you 630 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,800 like, boil it down, that's not true. 631 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,800 But it's the I feel like to me, the loudest voice in the room as 632 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,000 often. - and it definitely doesn't help my work or my life 633 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,500 or like trying to adjust to a new version of reality, which I 634 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:19,500 love. By the way. 635 00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:23,500 It's like I love that. This is what our lives get to 636 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,700 be. Now, we get to like make films 637 00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:28,800 and talk to other creative people and like being part of 638 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,200 the world that I never never would be without the job that we 639 00:33:32,208 --> 00:33:34,900 get to do. So it's like, how do I make, how 640 00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:40,000 do I make my my dream? I'm more like All reality, I 641 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,500 think is what the last year has been. 642 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:44,400 It's like, how do I actually enjoy this thing happening to 643 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,200 me? And if it's like, take myself 644 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,700 away from the world a little bit. 645 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,200 I feel like that's where I'm kind of settling on at the 646 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,700 moment. I think I think this is my purse 647 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:57,400 to to not do anymore because I do feel like as you say there is 648 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,500 just so many more negatives than positives. 649 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,600 It's just not. Yeah, the loudest voice in the 650 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,000 room, is the most - I feel like I just keep checking it as well. 651 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:09,000 I sort of, like, wake up from his Daydream under so scrolling 652 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,800 through People, I don't know and I don't care about and it's just 653 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,000 it's just wasting my energy my time and I just yeah, I think 654 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,800 it's time. Yeah, but um, yeah. 655 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,800 No. My mom bought me a book called 656 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,199 the power to be the courage to be disliked and I haven't read 657 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:25,900 it yet. And I think I need to courage to 658 00:34:25,908 --> 00:34:28,300 be disliked the courage to be just like something. 659 00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:31,000 And I think I should read it because I need more of that 660 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,400 courage. Do you like do you think you 661 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,500 have that? You think you have like as it 662 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:36,800 stands now? How do you feel about people? 663 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,199 I'm so much better than I was. Was I really? 664 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:44,400 And I think with that great just relaxation to, I mean say all 665 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,400 these things that I said on this chart like that are probably 666 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,300 going to offend a lot of people. It's so freeing. 667 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:56,000 I kind of like it honestly, it's hilarious that we think we've 668 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,800 been like we think that we've been like. 669 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,900 So we basically just talked about our own anxieties like we 670 00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:06,300 have if people are offended by this conversation. 671 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:10,100 I feel like fuck that I know. What about it is that? 672 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:13,200 That should be the biggest contribution to say, look, I 673 00:35:13,207 --> 00:35:17,500 have anxiety about social media. Me and everybody else. 674 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,700 Yeah. Yeah. 675 00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:23,300 No, I need to read that book. I think I need more of it. 676 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:25,900 I don't think you can have enough courage to be the site. 677 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,000 My lordy. It's so nice to meet someone so 678 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,600 like-minded. It's really nice. 679 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,100 It doesn't happen a lot to meet. It doesn't happen a lot. 680 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:36,900 Really? Yeah, genuinely because I feel 681 00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:39,900 like such a like, so you're still in college, right? 682 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:44,000 Like you, I that's crazy. You're doing a press tour for ya 683 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:46,900 while I've no doubt is going to be an Incredible film, and 684 00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:49,400 you're in college, so that's so cool. 685 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,100 Thank you. It's cool. 686 00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:53,200 It's hard. Because I'm realizing I'm not 687 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,900 super and I know people say sometimes I'm not very smart and 688 00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,100 I'm like, hmm. It's like false modesty. 689 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,200 I really mean it. I'm not particularly. 690 00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:05,900 I'm not academic whatsoever. I'm doing psychology and it's 691 00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:09,100 just all statistics and I'm just realizing now. 692 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:12,300 I really I just wrote an essay on the difference between 693 00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:15,700 emotional intelligence and academic conferences. 694 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:19,300 Processes and stuff and so that again academic intelligence. 695 00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:20,900 Ohmic. So the difference between 696 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:26,100 emotional intelligence and cognitive academic like good at 697 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:30,300 exams good at sort of regurgitating information 698 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:34,500 basically retaining information. Yeah, and I'm absolutely 699 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:39,000 terrible at exams and retaining information and remembering what 700 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000 people say in lectures and remembering how to do math. 701 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600 I just I can't do it. And I just think for me 702 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,100 personally, I'd rather be So much more emotionally 703 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:50,100 intelligent because I think it gets you. 704 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,900 Well. I feel like it's way more useful 705 00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:57,300 for the job that you're so wonderful ass, you know, there's 706 00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:00,200 a big company like you're 56 times tables. 707 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,400 You're going to have to like blow smoke up your ass for a 708 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,400 second. It's like you can't do what you 709 00:37:04,408 --> 00:37:07,700 did in the souvenir through like anything other than like 710 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:10,200 emotional intelligence. Because yes, you're being put in 711 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,900 kind of like organic situations to kind of help with the foam 712 00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,900 and process, but you've also got to kind of be a kind of got to A 713 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,300 dramaturg in your own head while you're filming, which I think is 714 00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:22,100 so impressive. Like that's not, I didn't have 715 00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:23,000 to do that. A normal people. 716 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,300 I got to work with like the most incredible scripts that do a lot 717 00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:29,500 of the I suppose. It's just like you carry a 718 00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:32,700 different ways of the film in different places, and I 719 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:35,500 definitely didn't have to be a drama taragan terms of any of 720 00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,400 those shooting processes. I got to just like, in vest in 721 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,700 the writing and show up and try and Achieve as much as I could, 722 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,200 or bring what I thought was required to the scenes. 723 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,000 Where's your Just having the scene happen to you in real 724 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,600 time, which is like thrilling. And so glad that I got to talk 725 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,100 to you a little bit about that. But I'm so interested in trying 726 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:57,600 this like I've never, I've never worked in any other setting, 727 00:37:57,700 --> 00:38:01,400 then the improvisational sort of like instant way and I'd be so 728 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,800 interested to work with amazing script written by an amazing 729 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,500 writer, with a whip with words that aren't mine. 730 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:09,900 Like that's to me is, is really moving. 731 00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:11,900 I think. I really like to represent 732 00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:15,200 someone's character something from their mind and sort of, 733 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,600 yeah. Isn't, I think that's really 734 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,100 beautiful. And was there room for 735 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,900 improvisation? Like, you're bringing your own 736 00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:22,800 kind of cutting, of course there was, but I mean, like, was 737 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,900 there? Yeah, room for kind of molding 738 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,400 in your projects there. I said, I wish I could talk. 739 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,400 I know, I know, I know you can't do this one. 740 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,200 That's one where. No, but there's one I think is 741 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,000 fair to say that. Like, it gives nothing away and 742 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,300 nothing has been announced. But I wear. 743 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:42,100 I'm spend a essentially the whole film with a or okay, the 744 00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:44,500 child. And I'm just trying to police 745 00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:48,200 what I can say and that Some that was so exciting because 746 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,200 process kind of goes out the window here, just kind of 747 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,100 shooting with Child hours and there's something thrilling 748 00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:57,000 about that because it does feel improvised and you're just kind 749 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,400 of rolling with whatever your you're getting. 750 00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:03,200 And that was so thrilling. And I process that I really 751 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,700 enjoyed and it felt it felt super alive and wasn't kind of a 752 00:39:07,707 --> 00:39:10,200 lot of like deliberating or talking with seen. 753 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,200 It was kind of like, let's just go in and start it and see where 754 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,700 we end up. And I really enjoyed that, I 755 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,100 That's what I'm looking for a little bit. 756 00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,000 Now is like not only like plethora of different colors for 757 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,200 different characters. It's more. 758 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,900 So now like I'm looking at kind of the process of how directors 759 00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:28,400 want to work and seeing if that's something that I would 760 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:29,500 enjoy. Basically. 761 00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:31,900 I think what we described is that we're just trying to figure 762 00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:35,400 out our lives and what we want from like the acting that we 763 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,700 want to do, which is like exciting, right? 764 00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:39,000 Yeah. Absolutely. 765 00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:43,400 Absolutely. I just absolutely, I just feel 766 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,700 like I'm so excited about meeting. 767 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,800 More collaborations because I think that's a beautiful world. 768 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,100 Yeah means like equality in terms of the actors and the 769 00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:56,400 director and the writer of the producer, all these teamwork, 770 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,300 rather than many experiences I've heard about, is you just 771 00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:03,400 are a puppet. And I think do oh, yes, stand 772 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,500 there. Say it like this. 773 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:05,900 Say faster. Say it slower. 774 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:07,400 Exactly. And then it might as well be 775 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,000 anyone. The told me a story the other 776 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,400 day. It was like an experienced. 777 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,500 Actor was inside her. I can't remember what I like, 778 00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:15,700 but I director went like, okay, you're going to stand. 779 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,100 Over here and before he'd even finish, the sentence. 780 00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:21,000 The actor was like, oh, this is going to be fucking shit. 781 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,600 Like I can't wait to be ballsy enough to get past the point of 782 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,400 like, hearing a director say that maybe at some point and 783 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,600 trying to nurse them out of that decision like, you know, like 784 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,400 trying to nurse them into a conversation about 785 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,000 collaborating. Like I can't weirdly can't wait 786 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,600 to get to the point where I just I'm like not a dickhead way 787 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,400 because oh no, this Is not fun. This is not filmmaking. 788 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,900 This is not acting. I'd like to just not care that, 789 00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:57,500 I don't care. Yeah, but you know what, the 790 00:40:57,500 --> 00:40:59,400 next time? Hopefully, I can't wait for us 791 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,600 to meet in person because maybe we'll meet, and be like, I did 792 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,500 it. I did it. 793 00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:08,300 I like spoke up and I told each other to that, but I mean it. 794 00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:10,300 Let's do it together. Let's go on this journey 795 00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,800 together. I think we can because I think 796 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,600 well, you're going to do, you're going to hit me, I do. 797 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,600 But I'll read that book and then it will maybe get me a headstone 798 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,200 that the power to I just like but I'm definitely gonna read 799 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:27,600 that. I'll send you a diver to make 800 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,500 everybody. That's Endeavor. 801 00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:32,100 Let's make a promise here to Endeavor to make everybody hate 802 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:39,300 us in a passionate way. When I think I'll get your safe. 803 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,700 I'm like, I think you'll fail for I'm not sure. 804 00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:45,000 Like there was ever gonna dislike you ever. 805 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,600 I think you Underestimate me, I think you might be 806 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,600 underestimated. We'll see. 807 00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:55,200 We'll see. Oh my God, I was so lovely 808 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,900 chatting to you. I've like really enjoyed this, 809 00:41:57,900 --> 00:41:59,600 please let it be the first of many. 810 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,700 I really mean that please. I guess your contact know for 811 00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:04,500 sure. Let's do it because I think 812 00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:06,300 we've got a lot more to talk about. 813 00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:10,300 Frasier. I mean it, thank you so much. 814 00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:14,700 And if you got a second right, my, my mom wants to meet you. 815 00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:16,500 Can she meet you? Oh, my God. 816 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:20,200 Yes, and she joking, mama, please. 817 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:26,800 I get to meet you immediately. She's nervous. 818 00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,300 Are you coming in? Is it time for the fish on my 819 00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:33,500 account? It's time for you to meet. 820 00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:52,500 So now you're here in our house and the fish pie is nearly 821 00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:54,400 ready. I wish we could. 822 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,000 I wish you could come and laugh about Donald to the describe, 823 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,700 the like, family meeting of like your meeting. 824 00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:04,200 Yes. Well, yes sure. 825 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,000 He's next door. Benjamin forgiving. 826 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:14,100 I'm gonna bring him intimidate. Everybody in someone's now. 827 00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:16,000 Rosie come in. Come. 828 00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:19,900 Do you have any pets? I have two dogs. 829 00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:21,900 My dog. Jack is going blind though. 830 00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:40,500 The Rosie's gonna come in. Yeah. 831 00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:12,800 Their Roost. And I'm gonna pop the most 832 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:16,700 insisted on coming here in person and having some fish, pie 833 00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:19,900 myself. Where are you people? 834 00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:30,700 I'm in San Francisco, my partner bond to a show. 835 00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:34,800 I'm on chauffeur. So that's, that's what's that 836 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,700 next on the cards for me. Very good. 837 00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:40,900 If I'm going to be actually in London next week for like 10 838 00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:42,800 days. If you guys are like, well, 839 00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:45,200 funnily enough. We are coming down. 840 00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:46,200 Are we? Okay? 841 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,400 Actually do one of the things where I'll get like, can I get 842 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,700 ya Amber honor? Yes, please. 843 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,900 Thanks for listening. The a24 podcast is produced by 844 00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:01,100 us a 24 special. Thanks to our editor Tom Wyatt 845 00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:03,000 and robot repair who composed our theme.