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Hi, and welcome back today. 24 
podcast Rami. 

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Yusuf is the multi-hyphenate 
star and creator of Rami on 

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Hulu. 
And the first guest to make a 

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return appearance on the Pod. 
For today's episode, we arranged

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a zoom catch up between Romney 
and his season to CoStar and 824

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Treasurer. 
Marshall Ali with her 

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conversation. 
May lack, an audio quality it 

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more than makes up for in heart.
We hope you enjoy it. 

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Well, Marshal Ali or the 824 
podcast, along with my brother 

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from another mother, driving 
Rusev here, they 24 podcast 

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rehearsal. 
Alleys, this is fun. 

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Ronnie. 
I know you're leading the way on

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this because you're the let me 
ask you something. 

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All right, so let me ask you 
because I heard you while I was 

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on you you were looking at my 
have this resume profile photo 

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of. 
I don't even know where it's 

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from, but it's this like Really 
it's just really beautiful 

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architectural, gorgeous thing, 
where the sunlights kind of 

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coming in, right. 
So it's like dark and the sun 

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lights coming in and it looks 
like this beautiful place to 

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pray and then you started 
talking about pilgrimages and I 

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was like and I started thinking,
oh and you have you been to 

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Mecca? 
Have you done it from home? 

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No dude, no. 
You like, you know, spiritually,

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bragging over there right now, I
see you now. 

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Yeah, like I'm good, I haven't 
done the big one, you know, I 

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think like, you know, for those 
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there's many pilgrimages you can
do that anytime and then there's

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the Hajj, which is like, it 
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After the some side, the yeah, 
the big read that comes after 

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the Ramadan. 
Eid. 

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Yeah, it's like I haven't done 
the one. 

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I've been done the 11. 
But I've done them, any one of 

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kind of, I think that's 
emblematic of my personality and

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you don't kind of done with no 
damage when you do it, you gotta

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do like DJ. 
Khaled just be like, filming the

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prayer. 
The next day this is all about 

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positivity. 
You're also very pot. 

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No, use your, you know, I find 
you to be like just being 

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outside with you in, you know, -
or degree weather monorail. 

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Track, I left them here, so 
they're really positive guy. 

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I have to try, you know, because
you start going to thoughts, 

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take over, you start going down 
that that rabbit hole. 

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And, and then how I feel when I 
get into a negative space is not

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pleasant to be around, you know.
It kind of sucked the energy out

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of the room. 
So I try to keep it relatively 

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uplifted, you know, and shoot 
your that way like for sure. 

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And it's Hiring, you know, just 
in general just your energy and 

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your ability to just Galvanize. 
People bring people together, 

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always thinking about other 
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It's pretty extraordinary, man. 
Well, I mean, working with you 

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the same as I was like, I 
remember we work with you for 

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like a couple days and then we 
were like, oh he's not a factory

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because you're so good. 
So we're like he's gotta be a 

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factory. 
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pensive and like meditation and 
it's like it's like you're 

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definitely a pensive guy, but 
I'd like in a good way. 

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But onset is just all jokes We 
have fun and I need to say 

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because I had my head in the 
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So I got to the third season 
late but man, what a fantastic 

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season bro. 
What a fantastic season man. 

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And let me say real quick one of
the things I quite appreciate it

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was you know just watching your 
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It's there's just an inherent 
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as an audience member you just 
you just carry, you know, and 

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you're always room for around me
even though you get annoyed. 

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I'd with them and, you know, all
that kind of thing. 

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But what I thought was really 
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unsettling was and you can 
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just how I interpreted the sort 
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season. 
Was we do it. 

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We have people that were in 
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but there's that thing where 
somebody sort of like settles 

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into a certain type of 
mediocrity like are like Settles

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into a way of being that isn't 
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And what I always appreciated 
about Rami was that he was 

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always like very consciously 
struggling toward trying to be 

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the best version of themself 
even though, you know, he trips 

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up time and time again and 
that's what makes it so 

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entertaining. 
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third season for me that it was 
almost like he had outgrown that

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struggle. 
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Like he'd kind of dipped into a 
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because the season goes by so 
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that, you know what, I'm still 
in feeling, good about myself, 

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I'm earning money, I can take 
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my family feel accepted, but 
this is I'm kind of going down 

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this path even though he's 
trying to get things right with 

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a nap and everything like that. 
But there was a sense that he 

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was kind of like settling into 
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And then before, it's all over, 
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that. 
Awakening, that Reawakening that

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happens, you know? 
And I just thought it was, it 

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was just so well done. 
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that everybody gets their moment
on that show, you know? 

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And as somebody who's come up in
this business where so many 

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times, your kind of like tucked 
away in the periphery, it's 

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really beautiful and refreshing 
to see people who kind of just 

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got up. 
They play their part. 

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They come in, they make their 
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And then you know you kind of 
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then suddenly they're the star 
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you get to you get to like, 
really get to know a character 

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and really relate to how they 
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with their own path, their 
Journey, their issues, their 

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struggles, their aspirations. 
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there's like every character on 
that show is sort of equal and 

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in a sense of course we see a 
lot more of you than anyone else

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but everybody feels. 
Horton. 

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And that's a great achievement 
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And like, you know, you're 
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writer and all that kind of 
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So I'm sure that there's some 
awareness of that but just as an

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actor who hasn't necessarily 
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you're where I'm show running or
have any desire to even attempt 

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that crazy to see how well you 
take care of your characters is 

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one of the things that makes the
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So I just think that there's a 
real generosity. 

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Paucity and how you present 
these characters and even as a 

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real generosity in the people 
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I do for instance, you know, who
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of, but she plays he plays. 
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Do you know about love interest?
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You know, and I was just smiling
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I had to text them and just let 
him know, bro. 

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I'm so proud of you, man. 
Did he did fantastic work and 

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here it is. 
Yeah, I think you do. 

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And I saw that text three 
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where I'm getting. 
I'm getting out. 

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I'll call me be like yo man. 
Rehearsal it says I'm a good 

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actor and I'm like, dear God. 
I've created a monster who 

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killed it killed it. 
I really killed it. 

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So, so Leo, that that's a really
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congratulations and just just 
fantastic work, man. 

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I just such a, you're such a big
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Like, I mean, I think, you know,
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was really one of the best 
things that could have happened.

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Not only did the show, but I 
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because I think that I felt 
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that you were a fan of the show,
which was amazing, but then it 

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was amazing too. 
I think, you know, in terms of 

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just being generous with a 
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I think that I had always gone 
into making something with the 

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desire that what we're trying to
do the philosophical idea, the 

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higher, Asian is the thing that 
we're serving, right? 

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So it's like, this is a show. 
Yes, the show is called Rami, 

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which was, you know, if you knew
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I was brainstorming for 
alternate titles, but it's what 

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we ended up calling it. 
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really trying to do is show 
Faith as a real human inner 

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struggle and show it as 
something that I think, you 

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know, in a grounded human way 
watching someone Aspire watching

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somebody seek and I think part 
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What shifted in the Romney 
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was, we went in saying oh this 
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see this character not seeking, 
but what does it look like if he

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turned that off? 
He's exhausted of seeking but 

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the show began and I think by 
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he's back to seeking but it 
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desire to show spiritual seeking
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that felt real and that didn't 
treat religion like a punch 

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line. 
Also didn't dance around the 

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topic in a way where you're 
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And so I kind of went and saying
like I'm serving that idea. 

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That's, that's the thing that's 
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And so I think when we realize 
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in our show, we were already 
like a month into a writers room

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and had a bunch of ideas that 
I've been stewing on. 

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And then I think he your arrival
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everything that we were doing 
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that for me, even though It 
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and I didn't want to fuck it up 
and I wanted you to be happy and

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I wanted like it to work for the
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What was really joyful about it 

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and why I say kind of like 
changed my life was because I 

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realized that I got to put to 
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oh, this isn't just about like 
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It's like, I'm actually trying 
to serve this idea that the show

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is about. 
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quote-unquote, my show the show 
actually belongs to the idea 

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that we set out to do. 
Everything else comes after that

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and so mercilessly Ali wants to 
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After we talked, like I asked 
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ask and then I was like, oh 
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shit. 
You feel like I thought? 

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He blessed guess 22 Episodes. 
Did it was like, how about 

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three? 
How about four? 

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How about five? 
I was like Robbie you got this 

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much time, let's just do it in 
this timeframe. 

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I'll do it for me. 
I know it. 

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Really. 
I mean, you know, that's just 

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the air and I'm so horny too. 
All right, so funny don't like, 

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I'm kind of like, all right, you
know like what the best deal we 

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can get here. 
How much, how much can we 

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squeeze out of, you know, this 
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so it but it was really 
expansive is what I'm trying to 

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say. 
It was really expansive to 

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bringing your character. 
It totally shifted the DNA of 

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the show in a way that I think 
the show needed it was kind of a

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spiritual process, even meeting 
you having it work out having it

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go from two to six episodes or 
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I think I might have Six and and
then have that lead into what 

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the third season was because I 
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from season to season have felt 
emblematic of years in a 

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person's life. 
You know, there's the year 

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you're really seeking and 
everything feels hopeful, and I 

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would say, the season we did 
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this year where there is still 
that seeking, but it's starting 

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to feel like the walls are 
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And then this third season 
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You know what I'm sick of that? 
Feeling of the walls closing in 

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on me. 
I'm sick of the feeling of 

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Antiquing and failing and 
falling. 

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So instead of these walls 
collapsing on me, I'm just going

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to leave the room. 
I'm not even going to try and do

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what I was trying to do. 
And then of course the room 

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pulls him back into, but it's 
like, it has been this really 

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great journey and I remember 
like, yeah, I think I remember 

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us having a conversation after 
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like, dude, thank you for doing 
this. 

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It really, like, I feel like I 
learned the sauce of our show 

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after doing the first two 
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third season is a reflection of 
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profane and serious and funny 
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in a way that that, yeah, I 
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I feel so, yeah. 
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work we got to do on it because 
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sincerely mean this. 
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point to where I see someone a 
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showrunner really put on 
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fine line and you do it time and
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sometimes have Rami act as an 
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audience. 
Even you're just seeing And I 

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don't mean this in a negative 
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Islam again I don't mean that in
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we're with what we understand 
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even if we're wrong about some 
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wonderful job and sometimes 
highlighting the specifics that 

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actually offer an opportunity 
for people to correct how they 

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make think of something in this 
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It was sort of israel-palestine 
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that in a way that was still 
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Meaning but like hitting at some
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and his sexuality, the things 
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over and over again. 
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if I went through your show 
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commenting on the uyghurs in 
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you'll constantly get into and 
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again. 
Hit that right spot on the mark,

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where someone can watch it, 
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We need it just feels spot on 
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you dip into these sort of hot 
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maybe you guys have such a clear
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these things. 
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back or any of that. 
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impressive things is that you 
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really taboo, culturally Taboo 
in Islam, you know, and you're 

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able to Speak to them in a way 
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You don't hide, you know? 
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think that you know, the 
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Sensational and it's never done.
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exacerbate, anything that is 
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But I think what we're trying to
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flawed to it and I think like a 
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discourse is like you're right. 
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I'm perfect. 
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perfect. 
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you're not. 
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I'm perfect. 
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it's not even about being gray 
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pointed. 
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pointed clear critique of the 
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it out a little bit and show how
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country like America, whose 
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Three operates almost 
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blueprint for how what's 
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happening. 
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like that. 
There isn't anything you can't 

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talk about. 
It's just what are you going to 

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put it next to you? 
Is you're talking about it, you 

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know. 
How are you going to? 

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It's like it's like there's all 
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all these feelings and I feel 
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but to stand up and then my job 
is someone in the show and A lot

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of these things I try on stage 
first, and I kind of find the 

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buttons of like, oh wait, that's
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Take all these things and 
actually organize it and weave 

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it in a way where you know, it's
like yeah ingredients that can 

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be tolerable and can actually 
open it up and expand into 

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something, right? 
Like you've never drink a cup of

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vinegar but like you need it in 
hot sauce and you like hot 

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sauce, you know. 
And so it's like how do we take 

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these things that we know need 
to be said, but also, yeah, 

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there. 
They're part of something else. 

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Larger that feels like it's that
it's a painting of The Human 

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Condition. 
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spiritual principle to me is 
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try to have mercy with 
everything we talked about, you 

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know, I think that there is this
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around even, you know, whether 
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it be abortion, whether it be, 
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be self-loathing, I think we try
to treat it with mercy and part 

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of that to me is like really 
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Character to kind of like go 
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we're not protecting this guy, 
you know, and someone called him

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making it personal for all every
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Yeah, I think you do a wonderful
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character. 
Something that from the outside 

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could just be viewed as a flaw 
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much more texture to the many 
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That so many of us are 
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that's where the the mercy comes
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Because it's so connected to 
empathy, you know, and I think 

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you really protect the space for
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these characters. 
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have so much fun with centering 
the show around other 

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characters, you know, and I 
think we had such a great time 

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doing it with you on the show 
and then we have this amazing 

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cast of our family. 
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get that Embassy by switching 
the lens, you know, I grew up on

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this mix of Loving Tarantino 
movies and Coen brothers, 

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movies, and loving Apatow 
movies. 

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And you know, in Apatow movie 
relate to everybody and in a 

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Coen brothers or a Tarantino 
movie, you relate to nobody 

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because everyone's so weird. 
And so it was always like, for 

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me. 
Oh how do you take those like 

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relatable characters and throw 
them in these really unrelatable

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worlds, where all the characters
that kind of strange, and it's a

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really fun thing to do on the 
show. 

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It's like, you know, Romney's 
the guy we're following. 

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Every one, looks a little weird 
mom. 

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Looks a little weird. 
She seems one mind. 

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Did when we were in his point of
view is sister seems really like

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aggressive and mean and and his 
dad seems zoned out. 

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But now we're following his 
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Romney looks really weird but 
he's huge you know she feels 

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like she has it together a bit 
in comparison, he's got a way 

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more together and we totally get
what's going on with her. 

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And I think in a way to that's 
kind of what it feels like. 

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You know, as a person and, you 
know, everyone on lines always 

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talking about, you know, I'm 
having my main character moment 

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or I feel like the main 
character, the hero or you know,

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like that's like kind of all 
Really pervasive playing that I 

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really relate to because I think
it's it's what's fun about 

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designing a story the way that 
we did. 

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And I think like something that 
I wanted to ask you about 

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because I think you're so cool 
and interesting because you are 

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someone who like I do think 
you're a transformative actor. 

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Like I think that you're 
somebody who genuinely does the 

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art and craft of acting in a way
that I really admire. 

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Like, I think you become 
somebody else. 

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Like I feel like I'm really 
excited. 

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Keep acting and expand and do 
different things. 

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And I also know there's always a
little bit of me in it, you 

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know. 
Like it's just kind of like how 

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I roll it but with you it's like
oh you are someone who really 

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you really embody it at the same
time, everything you do feels 

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kind of a piece like swan song, 
I thought the questions it was 

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asking in the way you embodied 
that and you also produce that I

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guess I'm kind of curious like 
as you pick stuff and you're 

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doing more producing and all of 
that. 

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You're obviously could have 
picked so many things and like, 

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you pick our TV show after 
winning an Oscar right, like 

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it's like--there's. 
Like I'm sure I got, I'm kind 

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of, I wanted to directly, ask 
you like what your organizing 

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principle is for what you jump 
in do and what you do, thank you

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for that, first of all. 
And one thing I do want to say 

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before I attempt to answer your 
question, I think on the flip 

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side just as you have more and 
more time just in the working in

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the space I'm just curious and 
excited to see you. 

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In other people's projects and 
in other people's were just 

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because for a few years. 
Now, we basically seeing you if 

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it's on TV, it's essentially 
your work in your writing, even 

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though that's a shared effort. 
I'm sure. 

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You know, the writers, of 
course. 

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Yeah, it's called on. 
Yeah. 

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The show is the show, is named 
Rami, you know, part of your 

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responsibility is to bring a lot
of yourself to it, you know? 

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So what I would love to see in 
your journey is, How you're 

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challenged. 
And what you discovered, the 

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more and more you work outside 
of your own universe or bubble 

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because I think that's where I 
think a lot will be revealed to 

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you about yourself and who you 
are as an actor when you don't 

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have the burden and and the 
luxury. 

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But it's also the burden of 
doing your own work because it's

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the same for stand up like that 
your work you do and so there's 

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the voice there that you. 
Why would you want to get away 

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from that? 
Like, you have to embrace it and

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you have to use it and you have 
to like, turn up the volume on 

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that. 
A little bit, right? 

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And so you're going to feel 
different. 

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The more and more you have 
opportunities to dip into to 

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working for and with other 
people. 

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So I just want to do that real 
quick, and I've only done that 

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like my entire acting. 
Life is choose from what someone

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else was sort of putting in 
front of me. 

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So, with that said, you know, 
one of the things that I do, 

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listen for, when I read 
something, is I listen for where

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fear comes up for me and 
usually, that's, Good indicator 

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for if it's going to be 
challenging. 

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And if I look for what's 
challenging? 

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Or if I listen for what's 
challenging? 

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Then, I think that in, that's 
inherently telling me that this 

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is something that goes beyond. 
Even if I have a sense that I 

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can do it, it's still something 
that goes beyond a space, that 

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is known for me, it's going 
beyond my comfort zone, and so 

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if it's going beyond my comfort 
zone, that means I got to do 

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something that I haven't done up
until that point. 

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That's why the shakes terrified 
because I hadn't done that, you 

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know, when you asked me I was it
made me nervous and closer, we 

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got to it. 
I got even more nervous about 

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it. 
Then it pushes me to the prayer 

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mat and I start asking for help 
to make it, to make it easier 

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for me. 
And one of the things I really 

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want to be able to do that, I've
always wanted to be able to do 

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was to sort of transform to 
leave enough of myself behind 

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where I didn't feel immediately 
energetically recognizable and 

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to really give Or to the given 
circumstances and really try to 

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commit to someone else's 
aspirations problems and issues.

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And I think with that sort of 
rigid unbending commitment, I 

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think you can get there. 
You know, I think it's just a 

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muscle, you know, that you have 
to keep sort of working on and I

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do think it for some people that
might be easier than others. 

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I don't know where I fall on 
that scale. 

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I really don't because I don't 
know myself. 

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But I do think that that's It's 
always sort of a goal is to find

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something that I haven't had a 
chance to experience. 

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I don't have a desire to play 
another Washington lobbyist or 

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whatever, you know, unless it 
was like so different from the 

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one I've already played, you 
know. 

445
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:11,400
So I feel like I'm it's kind of 
probably just the Aquarius in 

446
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,300
me. 
That always wants to be doing 

447
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:15,400
something different and 
experiencing something different

448
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,300
and probably have a little add 
tucked away up in there 

449
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:21,200
somewhere. 
Where I just I have to it's only

450
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,600
going to interest me if it's 
something. 

451
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,800
That is new, you know, and that 
really grabs my attention and 

452
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:32,100
scares me enough for me to 
really stay focused on on the 

453
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:35,800
outcome from the sent the 
outcome, in a sense of it coming

454
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,100
to life and feeling like that. 
Feels alive after you read it or

455
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:43,300
after you do a take or two. 
Because I can also hear when 

456
00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:45,800
it's Fallen flat. 
I can feel when it's not, when 

457
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,000
it's not alive yet. 
And so that's for music. 

458
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

459
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,200
When it comes alive, you you 
feel chemistry like and working 

460
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,500
with you? 
I felt chemistry, I felt it. 

461
00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:56,400
You know it's times when you 
walk through it and say okay 

462
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,100
that's cool but then you get in 
take 3 and something like pops 

463
00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:03,100
and happens that you can't quite
put your finger on and you go 

464
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:05,100
that's what I'm looking for. 
And once you once, you've 

465
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:08,900
experienced that before, you're 
constantly on the hunt for that 

466
00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:12,900
and if a day or seen fall short 
of that, it's hard to live with 

467
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:14,700
that. 
Disappointment for me, it's not 

468
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:17,900
a great film. 
So it's really it's really just 

469
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:22,300
wanting to wanted to meet a new 
character wanting to meet a new 

470
00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:24,500
person. 
Want to meet a new opportunity 

471
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:28,600
and best. 
I can try to prep myself to make

472
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,300
that character believable to 
myself and to the audience, you 

473
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:33,700
know. 
And so I think that's where the 

474
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:37,300
work is because the rest kind of
just have to kind of happen with

475
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:39,800
the magic of the day, you know? 
Yeah. 

476
00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:42,900
Just be open to that to that 
appearing, you know. 

477
00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:45,500
And I mean so interesting 
because you talk about even 

478
00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:48,300
like, yeah, putting your head 
down on the Mac and I think like

479
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:53,000
for me to like having prayer as 
part of my life for You know, 

480
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,200
approaching this spiritually, 
you realize how spiritual this 

481
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,200
business actually is like in a 
beautiful way because it's like,

482
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,800
there's these pages that have 
been written that were trying to

483
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,100
bring the life, but we don't see
them yet. 

484
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:10,600
Like, it's like, you need like 
sounds, you know, like, like it 

485
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,100
even sounds like a parable. 
When you talk about what it 

486
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:16,300
takes to make a movie, like, 
there is so much believing in 

487
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:20,600
the Unseen and there is so much 
what can we find ourselves in 

488
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,000
this and bring it? 
And When any of it ever comes 

489
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,400
together like I don't think I 
just haven't met any great 

490
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,800
director. 
That isn't kind of expressive of

491
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,200
the fact of, you know, it's a 
miracle that thing came 

492
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,000
together. 
You know you no one no one seems

493
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,900
like that cocky of you know, of 
course this was going to work, 

494
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:42,900
you know, I think everyone like 
whoa it's a miracle that all 

495
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:45,800
that worked out if the miracle 
didn't rain, it's a miracle did 

496
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,000
rain. 
It's a miracle that, you know, 

497
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,700
we didn't die. 
It's like it's really. 

498
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,300
There's so much faith. 
Faith and hoping and gratitude 

499
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:56,000
in it, it's really hunger. 
It's real. 

500
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,100
It's a really humbling 
profession in a way like it 

501
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:01,800
blows my mind. 
If I if I meet someone that is 

502
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,400
in this business and they're 
they're arrogant because of Mike

503
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,200
so much can go wrong. 
Yeah. 

504
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:13,900
Like it you know and and so I 
feel I constantly feel like 

505
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:19,500
really humbled by this business 
and by the task of Storytelling,

506
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:22,400
I don't know how anyone there 
again and I think speaking to of

507
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,100
like It was something I wanted 
to bring up on the podcast that 

508
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:28,900
I think a lot of people wouldn't
know that, you know, almost 

509
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:31,700
really fractured, our working 
relationship. 

510
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:35,000
We were in the middle of 
shooting and I challenge you to 

511
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,600
a one-on-one basketball game, 
you know. 

512
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,600
And I think you kind of showed 
up with some arrogance of like 

513
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,700
I'm gonna win this and you you 
had this like, of course, I'm 

514
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:46,700
gonna win this and I think we 
have a real good time and I 

515
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:53,100
don't think we played the five 
and I want, I One. 

516
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:56,500
And there is footage. 
There's there's like there's 

517
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:58,900
footage. 
Oh my God. 

518
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,700
I don't know where it is, but 
yeah. 

519
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:02,800
How did that feel? 
Like, were you ate like, how did

520
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,100
you read? 
Conjure, you know the serenity 

521
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:09,100
of the shake after, you know, 
you were pretty defeated. 

522
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:13,400
I think it made me, made me feel
like next time I play you I need

523
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,300
to have on some shorts. 
That's what I felt like. 

524
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,300
I don't think either of us were 
for the game but I was Easy off.

525
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:24,900
Pier shots. 
I mean, it wasn't. 

526
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:26,600
You got me? 
You got me. 

527
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,500
I will admit. 
You got me. 

528
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:30,500
Unfortunately, that happens to 
me all the time, though, in 

529
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:32,500
basketball. 
I wasn't quite to get prepared 

530
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:34,400
for your game. 
Well, this is what I think. 

531
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,300
I get so underestimated in 
basketball that I usually win 

532
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:43,000
the first game, and then I lose 
the next six because it's 

533
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,900
whoever I'm against is like, oh,
I can't believe I let you do 

534
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:48,900
that. 
And now I'm gonna, if you 

535
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:51,800
notice, I did not accept the 
second game because I knew it 

536
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,500
would happen. 
I know. 

537
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:54,800
I haven't talked about that in a
few years now, but I probably 

538
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,900
got called away from lunch. 
This probably would have it. 

539
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,900
That's how I'm not playing with.
Just my left hand next time when

540
00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:05,800
we get here is a thing. 
I think for me it's really 

541
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,700
important that there isn't a 
next time. 

542
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:10,500
Like I think we just got to 
that's our, that's our record 

543
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,700
against each other. 
I want to know and we never play

544
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:19,400
another game gap. 
That's because I want to ask 

545
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:22,500
what was space feels most 
organic. 

546
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:26,200
For you when you think about 
like all the things that you 

547
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,600
that you do that you're doing 
just on Rami alone you could use

548
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,500
to joke with you because you 
just did everything. 

549
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:38,300
What whether it's you know, 
stand up or acting show running 

550
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:42,200
writing producing on maybe the 
10 other things that I don't 

551
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,000
know about that you do and are 
into. 

552
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:47,300
Is there a space that feels more
of a? 

553
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,200
Not even a strong suit but that 
where you just feel most 

554
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,500
comfortable and or is it all of 
the above that? 

555
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,100
It is it all sort of the same 
for you to some degree? 

556
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,700
No, I think. 
It's like, I think it's about 

557
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:01,100
what kind of related to what you
were saying. 

558
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:05,500
Like because I like when you 
were saying you feel like 

559
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:08,800
there's that, add tucked away, 
and I feel and I feel like 

560
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,300
there's this big conversation 
about about 80 dienes. 

561
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:17,700
That is definitely a big part of
our culture because I think all 

562
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:20,000
of our attention and getting so 
fractured. 

563
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:23,600
And so I feel like that 
Absolutely happening. 

564
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,700
And then I think there's certain
people who are on top of that, 

565
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,500
even more prone to wear their 
attention goes. 

566
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:34,300
And I think part of why I think 
I enjoy doing so many things is 

567
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:37,800
because it truly keeps me 
focused. 

568
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,500
Like I actually can't look away.
And I think I like that, it 

569
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:42,900
demands that of me. 
So sometimes I would have this 

570
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,600
fear of like I'm only doing one 
thing that I kind of drift away 

571
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,000
and I come back but it's like 
when I'm doing three things it's

572
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,400
like, well, okay, maybe I looked
away from this but like I can't 

573
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,500
because there's other things 
going to pull. 

574
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,600
Me back in. 
You know, I'm not just acting, 

575
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,300
I'm not just this, I'm not just 
that right, but, but I also 

576
00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:59,600
think that there's like, some in
a way. 

577
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,200
There's some youth in that too. 
And I think like as I've gotten 

578
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,500
to make the show, you know, 
we've been making a show since 

579
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:10,600
2017 and I think now it's like 
I've been doing this for six 

580
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,300
years and the the more that I do
it, I'm I'm just starting to 

581
00:31:16,308 --> 00:31:19,000
take my time more and just Zone 
in on one part of the process 

582
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,800
more, you know, like this 
season. 

583
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,000
I really made an effort. 
For it to, okay, how many can I 

584
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:25,900
like, things? 
Can I direct where I'm just not 

585
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:28,900
in it? 
You know, if that is that 

586
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:32,600
brings, you know, a lot of joy 
to me to just only be focused on

587
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,700
that for a day while I'm on set.
And so I think the answer is 

588
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:39,400
really for me. 
It's like I don't think that 

589
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,600
I've gotten to a place where I 
can actually say like one is 

590
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,000
genuinely better than the other 
but I will say lately, I felt 

591
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000
it. 
When I'm directing something 

592
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,800
I've written you know, like I 
think I think the combo of of 

593
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,900
that Feels really focusing 
because I still get that thing 

594
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:57,900
where it's like, I can't really 
look away because it's like, 

595
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:00,100
okay, not just getting it on the
page. 

596
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:02,100
But then there's all these other
decisions we got to do is, we're

597
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:03,800
shooting. 
And so there's something about 

598
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,700
balancing, those two things 
where I feel really comfortable,

599
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:14,700
and then I like not having to be
in shape or or like I don't 

600
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:20,500
there's I'm not as aware of 
like, pimple management, you 

601
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:24,800
know, I can kind of You gotta 
lay when it be a bit, right? 

602
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:27,400
You know, yeah. 
Cuz the vanity will drive you 

603
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,700
know like I could just kind of 
chill and be like you know not 

604
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:33,700
cut my hair for a while. 
Although part of broadly this 

605
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:36,600
season, I like actually cut my 
hair with like our season. 

606
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,300
My hair was too long. 
I look back. 

607
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:40,500
That was one thing where I was 
like, man, my hair was long like

608
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:46,600
I had I got a good I found grow 
up the Egyptian F role in 

609
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,200
silhouette. 
Yeah I know. 

610
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:52,100
Yeah it was a Vibe but I kind of
stepped away and I was like 

611
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,200
that. 
Look a little little raggedy 

612
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,800
there, a couple of times to just
look like I did, you know, if it

613
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,400
the character he was not taking 
care of himself. 

614
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,800
But yeah, I do think that there 
is, I've been enjoying that. 

615
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,600
But to your point, I think being
in, you know, in situations 

616
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,200
where I'm acting in something 
that I like, you know, I got to 

617
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,400
do the film with your ghost 
that's coming out this year and 

618
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,400
that was like what you described
in a sense for me because I 

619
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,400
said, oh wow, I'm here. 
It's late. 1800's. 

620
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,700
I have a British accent. 
Okay, Obviously isn't me. 

621
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:27,100
There's and again there's some 
of it that has parts of me, but 

622
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:30,300
it did feel like the beginning 
of felt like the beginning of 

623
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:34,500
flexing, something that I don't 
know and and that was really 

624
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:36,500
replenishing. 
So since I'm saying like, I 

625
00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:38,500
don't, I don't think I can like,
you know, I think, I think 

626
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:43,700
though what I do like and this 
is probably the Immigrant kid in

627
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:47,800
me, the thing, I probably holy 
net out at would like the 

628
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,300
writing directly piece like 
enjoying it even more. 

629
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:55,100
Is that I feel like Like I have 
more control that like there's 

630
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,800
this part of me that's like I'm 
not waiting for a phone call. 

631
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,900
I don't have to worry about like
just somebody like me, I don't 

632
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:03,500
have to like, I'll make like, 
like I'm just built like, I want

633
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:05,700
to make stuff, you know, we 
finished shooting a season this 

634
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,800
13 and I finished post and I was
so exhausted, I was like, man. 

635
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,400
I can't work, you know, and then
four days went by five days went

636
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,300
by and had one day that I was by
myself. 

637
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:16,900
And I was just like I let me 
sleep in and then I was just 

638
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:19,699
thinking of something that made 
me laugh and I was like sort of 

639
00:34:19,707 --> 00:34:22,400
like writing on my notes and my 
Apple notes on my phone and then

640
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,600
And I started being like, in 
this case, you know, I want to 

641
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,500
wait to put this in the show, 
maybe it could be like a short 

642
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:29,800
film. 
I met this guy at Prospect Park,

643
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,199
he had like a nice camera, like 
maybe just like shoot this at 

644
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:37,100
the short next week and I'm like
all this comes from like it's 

645
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:47,400
just who you are, who you are. 
And I know I could do this and 

646
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,900
maybe some of that safety and 
kind of growing up with like, 

647
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:55,500
the The anxiety of how are we 
gonna pay our bills, or okay? 

648
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:58,000
We're like just kind of making 
it but any check. 

649
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,400
We get, we're sending a bunch of
it back to Egypt, you know, 

650
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,200
there's always this like, 
nothing is ever really enough. 

651
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,400
You're never really quite where 
you need to be and and all these

652
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,600
things that I really, you know, 
respect my parents for going 

653
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,500
through and but then I like, 
look at myself. 

654
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:16,400
I'm like, oh yeah, I have that. 
And maybe I do feel more 

655
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,100
comfortable, like knowing like, 
you know, I can you know okay no

656
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:22,900
matter what I could write and 
even if I lose Hands. 

657
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:25,000
I could dictate. 
And even if I lose my voice, 

658
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,100
I'll figure something out. 
You can kind of, like, you're 

659
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:32,000
always planning for for a 
disaster. 

660
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,600
When do you, when do you feel 
that calling to do stand-up? 

661
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,400
That must feel like an unique 
feeling. 

662
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,700
I feel like and what surprised 
me just in spending time with 

663
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:46,000
you? 
I remember being surprised by 

664
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:52,000
how eager and at ease you 
appeared to to be about just 

665
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,200
going up. 
On stage and not really even 

666
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:57,900
knowing what you're going to do.
Like I don't understand that 

667
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:00,300
like that's not a thing. 
I understand that feels Really 

668
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:03,300
Brave to me but I doubt you 
describe it that way. 

669
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:05,100
Yeah, yeah. 
I think the more you had called 

670
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:07,200
are you hanging out with 
stand-up comics? 

671
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,100
It's hard to assign bravery to 
any of it. 

672
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,700
They're like with a bunch of 
comic to like all this is an 

673
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:19,700
elevated sickness that people 
have been duped into thinking as

674
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:22,900
modern-day philosophy. 
But no it's I think it's It is 

675
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:27,400
desired to connect, it feels for
me. 

676
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,600
It feels exciting. 
Just again like have an idea and

677
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,700
I like it because we're making 
the show writing and whatever it

678
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:38,700
feels. 
So every moment feels so 

679
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:41,900
precious and you want precision 
and we'll like battle back and 

680
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:45,700
forth about a line and do all 
that and eventually you find 

681
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:50,700
that precision and stand up but 
you don't need to have that this

682
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:53,000
Tuesday night like this too. 
Day night. 

683
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,700
You can just try to half idea 
this Tuesday night. 

684
00:36:56,700 --> 00:37:00,900
You can try something, you 
thought of Tuesday, morning, and

685
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,700
it could connect where you can 
learn about the idea that 

686
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:06,000
there's no Gap. 
So, I think the part of me 

687
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,800
that's like loves the 
instantaneousness of it, loves 

688
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,800
the feeling of that, kind of 
feedback and back and forth. 

689
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:17,600
Yeah, that I really like, and I 
think it is fun to talk to 

690
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,300
people on stage. 
I don't really like doing, like 

691
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:21,400
the crowd work thing where like,
you go up and just like, make 

692
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,400
like Zing people. 
It almost feels too easy but I 

693
00:37:24,408 --> 00:37:26,800
do like the thing where you do 
talk to people and kind of find 

694
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,100
something and weave it into 
something that you were already 

695
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:32,900
carrying and and and and I think
that's been really fun. 

696
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:35,500
Like I think you know it's funny
we have this whole storyline. 

697
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,000
There are four season where 
Ronnie falls in love with his 

698
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,700
cousin. 
But it came out of this like 

699
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,500
this crowd work interaction. 
I had at the Laugh Factory, I 

700
00:37:42,508 --> 00:37:44,600
don't know if I ever told you 
this but it was like the Laugh 

701
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,100
Factory and I thought this 
couple was on a date and they 

702
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:54,700
looked at me like I was crazy 
and is like, no, dude, this is 

703
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:57,800
my cousin like how can you think
we're on a date? 

704
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,900
And I was like, what if she's 
your cousin? 

705
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,900
And I just remember like the 
whole room life being like, what

706
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,400
are you like the other systems 
like this mix of like laughter 

707
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,200
and discussed. 
And I would like, I would be 

708
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,300
honest. 
A lot of people in my family are

709
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:14,300
each other's cousins and never 
look back you know there's just 

710
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:23,900
like this. 
But then again, people in the 

711
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:27,300
crowd who were like, oh yeah, I 
know you're talking about, and I

712
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:29,000
remember the first time I 
started talking about that. 

713
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,200
It was, it was it almost felt 
like this, like 15-minute Town 

714
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,100
Hall of someone being like 
that's gross. 

715
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,600
No, no, I get it. 
Whoa, wait, what the science of 

716
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,000
it? 
When it isn't messed up, we 

717
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000
shouldn't do it. 
And then someone be like, you 

718
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,900
know, like it was just whole 
thing and that value really is 

719
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:48,200
what the Wailing. 
Very another couple is married. 

720
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:53,400
I got a letter from them. 
Really changed our lives and 

721
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,700
give us The Bravery to do. 
What we what we didn't think 

722
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:59,000
that, you know, that we want to 
do ya mad. 

723
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,100
So that that's almost did it. 
I was didn't way when I went to 

724
00:39:03,107 --> 00:39:07,100
go, see you in Atlanta. 
I was like, that's really fun to

725
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:10,000
like, go to a different city and
then just get up there. 

726
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,300
It's a great way to just be in a
city and meet people and and 

727
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:16,400
just see like, what are the 
sensibilities here? 

728
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,800
Kind of different everywhere. 
Yeah, them. 

729
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,000
Yeah. 
I've never really considered 

730
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,200
how, how that's definitely part 
of The experience and adventure 

731
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,400
of being up, there is doing 
comedy in Atlanta and and where 

732
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,800
you're doing, it in Atlanta 
would be totally different from 

733
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,600
doing it in Southern, 
California, or Jersey or New 

734
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,400
York or wherever else her 
London, you know, it's like, 

735
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,400
yeah, why? 
I just did stand up in London 

736
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,000
and, you know, they're just, 
it's so clear, how funny they 

737
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000
find us and not in like not a 
good way. 

738
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,600
Comedy in it right now, you guys
are fucking funny. 

739
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,700
You guys are really, you know, 
you got it right running around 

740
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:53,700
with guns. 
No healthcare like it's like 

741
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:57,500
you've you like steel that it's 
not even a judgment. 

742
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,600
It's just like accuracy from a 
different point of view where 

743
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,700
you like oh my God we are and 
that that's always really. 

744
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:05,400
I think it's the same thing. 
You're talking about it, like 

745
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,500
digging into a character, like I
feel like the way you, I feel 

746
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:11,800
like you get to know characters,
so you can just get to know 

747
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,100
people and get to know the 
human. 

748
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,800
Why are we here in this 
condition? 

749
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:19,300
And it's the same thing. 
It's like, oh yeah, getting to 

750
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,000
do this. 
Get up, onstage, do all that. 

751
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,300
It's like just to get to know 
people and you. 

752
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:25,700
Just feel something different 
for a night. 

753
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:27,600
Yeah. 
That's been something that feels

754
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,600
so, so fun to than figure out. 
I wanted this work on screen and

755
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,700
yeah man, I'm like something 
that I did feel with you when we

756
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,000
did and in terms of roles 
because it's like the question 

757
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,100
that like, I'm like I'm waiting 
for rehearsal Ali, the director.

758
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,400
And when that's going to, yes, I
need to know what's going to 

759
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,200
happen. 
I know it's gonna happen. 

760
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,000
What's going to pay that to 
happen because I felt it when we

761
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,400
were working on was like, yeah. 
This dude known everything 

762
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,400
that's happening right now which
was for me actually comforting. 

763
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,700
Like, At first, I was like, all 
right, you made it not 

764
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,100
intimidating because you were 
basically like, you know, I'm 

765
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:05,400
still on your side and so like, 
hey, here's a suggestion, here's

766
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,900
whatever. 
Because I love this and I want 

767
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:08,400
to be here. 
So I was just like, whoa, I have

768
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,800
this Instinct teammate, but I 
was kind of Blown Away by how 

769
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,700
much you did see me of 
everything that was going on. 

770
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:19,200
Yeah. 
Like, when that happened, I hope

771
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,300
sooner than later, you know, and
I definitely, we spoke about 

772
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:24,800
this. 
I definitely wanted to do that 

773
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:32,100
on your show, but I've said a 
huge huge part of my comfort in.

774
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,500
Just Community. 
I'm pretty good about 

775
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,100
communicating my ideas to 
whatever director I'm working 

776
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,300
with. 
But it was, it was hugely 

777
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:44,800
inspiring working with you 
because you made something that 

778
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,400
is extraordinarily difficult 
appear to be like fairly easy 

779
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:52,300
just in. 
How you how you carry yourself. 

780
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,000
Elf how you make choices? 
How you feel relatively 

781
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,400
confident and the choices that 
you're making and just how you 

782
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,000
interact with your crew, 
incorporate your DP into the 

783
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,500
idea, you might go at least at 
that time. 

784
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:11,000
Check in with Chris store about 
something, you know, you you do 

785
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,200
the way you kind of do the 
dance. 

786
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,500
And yeah, I think it's clear 
that you're aware of how much 

787
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:22,900
falls on your shoulders, but you
do a wonderful job of Bringing 

788
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:27,700
people in sort of like the way 
in which you sort of operate 

789
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:30,800
with the light Council, you 
know, but good again, you're 

790
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,800
clearly the lead here and just 
the way in which you navigate, 

791
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,900
and communicate just your ideas 
and it definitely left. 

792
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:46,100
It impact on me and I'm still 
sort of Blown Away at as to, 

793
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:48,900
like, how you, how you do it all
and how you manage it. 

794
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:51,500
All, you know, some of that is 
just who you are. 

795
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:54,500
But but the way, In which you 
just handle yourself as a 

796
00:42:54,508 --> 00:42:57,700
director. 
I love how you don't appear to 

797
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:00,000
over. 
Think there's a lot of trust 

798
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,900
than in how you work and 
operate. 

799
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:08,400
And for me, I think it was the 
first time where I felt in real 

800
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,700
time that, you know, I want to 
direct. 

801
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,600
I do I do I or I admitted it to 
myself a lot of that, a lot of 

802
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,300
it had to do with just watching 
how you how you operated and did

803
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,100
things, you know. 
So so I think Anything I felt 

804
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:25,900
free or just to communicate when
we try like this. 

805
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,500
And yeah, you really, you really
do. 

806
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:32,100
Welcome at least with me. 
I felt felt like my thoughts and

807
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:36,100
ideas were always heard and 
embraced and if they worked cool

808
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:37,300
and if it didn't work, it didn't
work. 

809
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:40,400
You know, we try something else 
or you tell me why something may

810
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,200
not work and we just wouldn't do
it, you know. 

811
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,600
But a lot of that just had to do
with just being in proximity to 

812
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:51,300
you and because I can be heavy 
at times and a little I get a 

813
00:43:51,308 --> 00:43:54,400
little bit anxious. 
About like wasting work 

814
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:00,900
opportunity or moments or you 
know and you thinking just your 

815
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:03,900
presence encouraged me to sort 
of relax a bit you know. 

816
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:06,900
And so I just appreciate it as 
how you approached it. 

817
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:09,200
All I hadn't even I mean so much
better place. 

818
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,700
You made it. 
Yeah you again like made it 

819
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:17,200
really even ejected like this 
whole new life into it and that 

820
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,200
was part of being able to feel 
like so much ease and Faith to 

821
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,600
because it was like straight up.
Like yeah, we're going, you know

822
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,900
we're going with this miracle of
like, wow, we're all here and 

823
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:28,700
we're all doing this and like 
who would have thought, you 

824
00:44:28,707 --> 00:44:31,200
know? 
So that that had so much of the 

825
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,800
energy flowing through it and 
it's funny to even like 

826
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,100
mentioning, you know, store we 
didn't have them on Tina 3 

827
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,300
because he was doing the bear, 
which is awesome. 

828
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:41,500
You know, the menu, you know, 
it's so good. 

829
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:44,400
I've sanded, I've seen it and 
it's funny because I've been 

830
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,200
talking with him that he's been 
telling me about it. 

831
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,300
And we've been talking about 
that show for years. 

832
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:51,700
And talking about kitchen 
culture, this made me real 

833
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:55,100
quick, it just Made me think 
about like these dudes and food,

834
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:58,100
man, like, Rami and Chris and 
food, like, you. 

835
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:00,600
I know, I know that was the 
thing where you were, like, you 

836
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,000
do everything because we would 
everyday, like, organized, a 

837
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,500
lunch order, it didn't matter, 
like what was going on, even if 

838
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:12,200
there's like a rewritable, got 
my trailer sandwich, we've got 

839
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,900
this. 
Like, we looked up the sandwich.

840
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:16,700
Like, that's like, like most of 
the shoot would be like, what 

841
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:18,600
are the middle of Staten Island 
somewhere? 

842
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,800
Like, find the sandwich? 
Not a know. 

843
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,600
We would like hunt people. 
Down. 

844
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,700
Well, they grab random people 
and be like what's the 

845
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:26,400
restaurant. 
I don't know about, you know. 

846
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,700
And like we don't like we have 
like a huge casting issue. 

847
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:32,600
There's like a fire going on. 
We lost the location. 

848
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,000
We're dealing with all that. 
But then we're like, State 

849
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,800
emergency where we eating very 
important. 

850
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,800
You know, like we're like 
researching, like we got like a 

851
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,300
food map but, you know, I got to
know, not just Chris but his 

852
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:47,300
sister Courtney and Mike and and
I love, you know, so much of 

853
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:49,000
what they portrayed. 
It's just like this whole like, 

854
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,000
you know, yes, chef no chef but 
I remember talking to To someone

855
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,500
at a restaurant, they were like,
the only correct answers are 

856
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:57,600
yes, chef. 
No Chef or I don't know chef. 

857
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:01,100
And I think like my favorite one
is, I don't know Chef because it

858
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:02,500
couldn't has this like 
assertiveness. 

859
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:06,400
And I feel like even to talk 
about light Council and having a

860
00:46:06,408 --> 00:46:11,200
light Council around or, you 
know, to me like the way that I 

861
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,700
enjoy having teams and like we 
build teams and and the show is 

862
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:20,300
such a team effort, it's like, 
I'm like, maybe, you know, you 

863
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:22,200
know, I was watching this great 
offer. 

864
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,300
Go on YouTube and like the 
conductor's like sweating and 

865
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:26,500
doing all this and, like, 
whatever. 

866
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:29,100
But like, you know, this one 
dude has this solo and it's so 

867
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,700
amazing and you're like, yeah, 
that guy is the star of the 

868
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:33,400
show, you know? 
It's the guy singing. 

869
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,500
I mean, like the conductor's 
doing the thing, but the guy 

870
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:39,000
singing and it's like, it's just
that visualization of it and 

871
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,000
kind of watching how that can 
take place on the best sets feel

872
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,000
like that, you know, it's like, 
everyone gets that moment to 

873
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,200
shine. 
Everyone knows one thing. 

874
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,400
The other person doesn't know 
and so it's like, how do you 

875
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:55,300
Leverage, The Knowing and not 
knowing into something. 

876
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:57,900
That's, you know, that has 
Harmony as opposed to like 

877
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,300
needing to feel like, you know, 
everything or needing to feel 

878
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:03,500
like, you know, you're 
manhandling or controlling the 

879
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:05,700
thing. 
And I think that's what I find 

880
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:08,400
fun about it. 
It how do we kind of make that 

881
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,400
happen and then we kind of keep 
learning and it keeps growing 

882
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,000
and all that and that yeah, 
that's been the fun part of the 

883
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,500
journey with it. 
And so I think like, you know, 

884
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,200
yeah, I was just cool, man. 
It was cool like talking about 

885
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,800
it afterwards and and kind of 
feeling like Shadow Wonder, 

886
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,000
like, what? 
What Movie rehearsal is going to

887
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,900
pick the direct and I don't know
like what Vive even had sat with

888
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:32,600
you and your mind of what you 
jump and do, but it definitely 

889
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,100
like something that I'm looking 
forward to well. 

890
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:38,800
Actually, what type of movie I 
want to act in that I'm hoping 

891
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,300
you will write direct, tell me. 
But I feel like I should tell 

892
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:44,600
you offline so that it can 
actually happen. 

893
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:46,800
Yeah, tell me. 
I've changed my mind. 

894
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:48,200
I'm not gonna do. 
Put it up. 

895
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:52,000
I'm serious though. 
No, I'll come to Atlanta, I find

896
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,100
them. 
Coming again next month almost 

897
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,200
serious. 
You know. 

898
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,800
So I need to shake his cool. 
I'm down. 

899
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,300
I'll pop back in, you know. 
But I want to do, oh my God. 

900
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:07,200
I don't think I want to take 
this season for just, I just got

901
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,800
to get out of man. 
I'm up here. 

902
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:12,900
Empires 4 Years, bro. 
Like I gotta finish these 

903
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:18,200
vampires in Atlanta for a second
about that. 

904
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,600
I was like, I don't know what, 
what, you know his look for 

905
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,500
blade is but you know, Want to 
do this for the season. 

906
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:26,500
We want to be the last one. 
We'll just go to Atlanta and 

907
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:29,600
just get the, the, you know, we 
need the final like rehearsal 

908
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,500
and so, you know, we'll just, 
we'll go to Italy. 

909
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:34,100
Oh, I'm if you dress, this blade
will figure it out like, I don't

910
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:34,800
know. 
You shall all. 

911
00:48:34,808 --> 00:48:36,500
I'm doing is things and all, 
bro. 

912
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:40,100
Good thing is, I should have a 
beard, so I should be ready to 

913
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:43,200
go, but you know what? 
You just need shaking. 

914
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,500
He's a fight scene. 
That's all good. 

915
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:48,300
I mean, I mean, I think everyone
wants to see the shaykh rabee 

916
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:50,600
fight scene. 
So I mean, that don't have to be

917
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,100
you men, he saved you, maybe. 
Saves you just you know start 

918
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,500
whooping ass you know. 
So I'll probably I'm totally 

919
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:04,600
down but but yeah man. 
So I do I do look forward to to 

920
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,700
working with you again because 
it is truly sincerely, one of 

921
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,900
the only great joys of my 
career, but just one of the 

922
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:15,400
great joys of my life, you are 
really one of those people who 

923
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:17,600
who does like impact people's 
lives. 

924
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,900
A man like you really do and 
I've seen it so many people. 

925
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,800
I'm sure there's a long line. 
People who would be like, yo, 

926
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,800
Mami like really impacted my 
life, man. 

927
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,000
And it's just, you wouldn't even
know it's just what you do, you 

928
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:36,100
know, but, but it's just a real 
blessing, you know, getting to 

929
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:39,400
work with you and to share time 
and space with you. 

930
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:43,800
And, you know, continue to just 
be in contact with you. 

931
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,000
And, you know, I need more of 
it. 

932
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:52,100
So, anyway, I'm just putting, 
you know, I, I can say the same.

933
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,600
Exact thing back without any 
hyperbole. 

934
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,100
I mean it truly. 
Yeah, what you did to our show 

935
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:03,600
and my life is like, never to be
never forgotten and you know and

936
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,900
then we get to commemorate a 
little bit of it I guess on this

937
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:13,600
was podcast, you know. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah man. 

938
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,700
I love you man. 
Love you too, brother. 

939
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,500
Thanks for listening. 
The 824 podcast is produced by 

940
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:24,600
us a 24 special. 
Thanks to our editor Tom Wyatt 

941
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:18,000
and robot repair who composed 
our theme Thanks for listening. 

942
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:23,000
The 824 podcast is produced by 
us a 24 special. 

943
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,100
Thanks to our editor Tom Wyatt 
and robot repair who composed 

944
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:26,600
our theme