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Hi everyone. 
Welcome back to the Daily Gospel

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Exegesis Podcast, produced by 
Logical Bible Study. 

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And as always, we're going to 
dive into the text from today's 

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gospel reading, and we're going 
to try to work out what's the 

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literal sense, What did the 
words mean in their original 

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context? 
What was the author trying to 

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convey to their audience? 
And this is where we have to 

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start as Catholics. 
We have to look at the literal 

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sense first. 
So we have a longer reading 

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today. 
It's Mark, Chapter 3, verses 20 

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to 35. 
And here we have what's called a

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mark and sandwich. 
So Mark often does this in his 

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gospel where he talks about one 
event and then he sort of stops 

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talking about that, talks about 
something else, and then comes 

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back to continuing that first 
event. 

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So it's sort of divided into 3 
thirds. 

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And the idea of the sandwich is 
that each part of the each of 

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the three parts of the sandwich 
kind of sheds light on the other

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part. 
So Mark deliberately interrupts 

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the story to make a point that's
going to help you understand the

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story. 
And then he resumes the story, 

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and we'll see that as we go 
here. 

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So Mark, chapter 3, verses 20 to
35, Jesus went home, and once 

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more such a crowd collected that
they could not even have a meal.

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When his relatives heard of 
this, they set out to take 

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charge of him, convinced he was 
out of his mind. 

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The scribes who had come down 
from Jerusalem were saying, 

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Beelzebel is in him, and it is 
through the Prince of devils 

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that he casts out devils. 
So he called them to him and 

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spoke to them in parables. 
How can Satan cast out Satan? 

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If a Kingdom is divided against 
itself, that Kingdom cannot 

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stand, and if a household is 
divided against itself, that 

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household can never stand. 
Now if Satan has rebelled 

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against himself and is divided, 
he cannot stand either. 

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It is the end of him. 
But no one can make his way into

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the strong man's house and 
burgle his property unless he 

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has tied up the strong man 
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Only then can he burgle his 
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I tell you solemnly, all men's 
sins will be forgiven, and all 

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their blasphemies, But let 
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Holy Spirit and he will never 
have forgiveness. 

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He is guilty of an eternal sin. 
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saying an unclean spirit is in 
him. 

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The mother and brothers of Jesus
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they sent in a message asking 
for him. 

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A crowd was sitting around him 
at the time The message was 

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passed to him. 
Your mother and brothers and 

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sisters are outside asking for 
you, he replied. 

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Who are my mother and my 
brothers? 

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And looking around at those 
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he said, Here are my mother and 
my brothers, anyone who does the

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will of God. 
That person is my brother and 

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sister and mother. 
So that's a long reading today. 

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And now let's get into it. 
So Jesus has just begun his 

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ministry in Galilee, in the 
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So it's very early on, but 
already he's developed quite a 

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big following. 
There's crowds everywhere 

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following him around. 
Just before this, he's gone up 

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into the hills around the Sea of
Galilee to pick his 12 apostles.

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Now we'll start at verse 19 B 
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This is the last phrase in verse
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It helps sets the scene. 
It just says then he went home. 

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So Jesus now goes back to 
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That's his home at the moment. 
And remember, he's living in the

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House of Simon and Andrew. 
That's his house in Capernaum. 

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Verse 20. 
Once more such a crab collected.

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So try to get the picture here. 
Jesus is at home in his small 

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house in Capernaum. 
In fact, you can go and see this

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house today. 
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basically uncovered what the 
house looks like, and you can 

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look in from a bird's eye view 
to see a floor plan of this 

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actual house. 
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So Jesus is here at home in his 
small house, probably with his 

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disciples, probably with his 
family, and there's people from 

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all over the countryside who 
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they've followed him home, and 
they're probably inside the 

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house. 
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house and Mark here says there's
such a crowd that they could not

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even have a meal. 
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his relatives, they just want to
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a meal. 
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There's such a big crowd there 
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verse 21, when his relatives 
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Now some translations don't have
the word relatives. 

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They have it as friends or even 
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heard of this. 
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is relatives or family. 
So our lectionary gets it right 

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here. 
His relatives heard of this, so 

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this will be his relatives in 
Nazareth, which is not far from 

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Capernaum. 
And Nazareth is where Jesus grew

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up and it's where most of his 
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Now verse 31 tells us more about
who specifically these relatives

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are. 
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that his mother hears about this
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brethren. 
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bit more when we get to that 
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there's been a lot of 
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Brethren of Jesus are in 
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The short version is it appears 
that these brethren are Jesus 

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cousins. 
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side of the family and they also
live in Nazareth, just like Mary

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does. 
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his brethren set out to take 
charge of him. 

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Or more literally what it 
actually says here is they went 

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out to seize him. 
The same word there is used for 

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when Jesus is arrested. 
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So Jesus relatives here, they 
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Capernaum to come and get Jesus.
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probably would have taken a 
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Nazareth to Capernaum. 
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Capernaum to the nearby towns 
that this amazing miracle worker

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Jesus is attracting Huge crowds.
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this and they want to come and 
seize him. 

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Why? 
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convinced he was out of his 
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There's different ways of 
translating this particular 

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phrase. 
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you can translate it. 
He is beside himself and there's

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even some ambiguity about who 
says it. 

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So some translations have the 
relatives saying he is beside 

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himself, but other translations 
because the Greek here is 

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ambiguous. 
Other translations put it As for

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some people were saying he is 
beside himself. 

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So either Jesus family is saying
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Nazareth in general are saying 
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So word is getting around that 
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We need to keep in mind the 
cultural context at this 

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particular time. 
So in this culture family 

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obligations and family ties are 
very strong, they are very 

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important and they over shadow a
lot of individual rights that we

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would have today. 
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obligations came first and an 
individual was always in a sense

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representing his family. 
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in that culture was seen as a 
reflection on the whole family 

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and any breach of family honour 
would result in severe 

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discipline. 
So from the perspective of Jesus

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family here, Jesus should be 
back in Nazareth being a 

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Carpenter rather than doing 
weird things like attracting 

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crowds and making the religious 
authorities angry. 

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So from what Jesus family 
understands Jesus wonder working

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activity? 
It's probably evidence that he's

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mentally imbalanced. 
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There's something wrong with 
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And we later see this in chapter
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Nazareth. 
Pretty much the whole town has a

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similar attitude. 
They think he should be a 

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Carpenter. 
He shouldn't be a miracle 

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worker. 
Also keep in mind that Joseph is

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probably no longer alive by this
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So Jesus, older relatives 
probably felt that Jesus was 

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under their charge. 
They have to take responsibility

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for him. 
So they hear that he's doing 

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these weird things, that he's 
out of his mind. 

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So they set out to find him and 
seize him. 

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Probably this is partially to 
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they might sense that he's 
making the religious authorities

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angry and he might be in danger.
So they come to get him in 

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Capernaum. 
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and we then have what's scholars
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So Mark often does this where he
starts a story, then leaves it 

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incomplete, turns to something 
else, and then later finishes 

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the story. 
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does this very carefully. 
He puts a particular story in 

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the middle of the sandwich 
that's going to, in a sense, 

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amplify both ends of the 
sandwich. 

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And that's what Mark does here. 
He leaves this story incomplete,

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and he turns his attention to 
another event, and then he goes 

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back to describing what happens 
with Jesus relatives. 

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So this story of Jesus relatives
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The next thing we're going to 
hear this kind of middle of the 

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sandwich. 
This interrupting story involves

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Jesus being accused of being 
possessed by the devil, and that

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is actually linked to what Mark 
has just said here about his 

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family, because in that culture,
mental imbalance was associated 

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with demonic activities. 
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this next story where people 
come right out and accuse Jesus 

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of being possessed by the devil 
because they're sort of 

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perceiving that he's not 
mentally right in their view. 

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So now the scribes come down 
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So up to now, he's just been 
doing stuff in Galilee, and the 

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Galilean Pharisees don't really 
like him. 

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But now we have some scribes 
from Jerusalem, which is 

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actually South in the southern 
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They're coming all the way up to
Galilee. 

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So they've travelled quite a few
days to hear, to hear Jesus. 

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They want to investigate this 
strange preacher that everyone's

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talking about. 
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capital of Israel and that's 
down the southern area and Jesus

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has been working in the northern
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that word has spread to 
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So the Jerusalem leaders send 
these scribes in and these are 

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kind of like the big guns they 
are. 

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The Jerusalem scribes were the 
absolute experts in the law that

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were considered to be more 
authoritative even than the the 

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ones in Galilee. 
So they accuse him or they say 

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firstly they use this word 
Beelzebel. 

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This is a name, Beelzebel, and 
it's a word that the Jews used 

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at that time for Satan. 
It's one of the words for Satan.

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Satan had a few names and 
Beelzebel was one of them. 

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And it's probably derived from 
the Canaanite God Baal. 

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It's just another way of saying 
Baal or Satan is Beelzebel, so 

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they say Beelzebel is in him. 
So basically, they're accusing 

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Jesus of being possessed. 
By the devil. 

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And this is their thinking. 
So the scribes have come to see 

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him and they're like, how is 
this guy doing this? 

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How is he casting out the 
demons? 

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And their reasoning goes 
something like this. 

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He's casting out so many demons,
and the only person who has that

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much control over demons is the 
devil himself. 

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Therefore Jesus must be 
possessed by the devil. 

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That seems to be their thinking.
Obviously they've missed a key 

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point here being that God has 
power over those demons as well.

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So this this saying, oh, he's 
possessed by the devil. 

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So verse 23, he called them to 
him. 

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So Jesus actually calls over the
Pharisees and he wants to teach 

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them. 
In particular, he speaks to them

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in parables, so he's going to 
give them a couple of short 

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analogies, not like the longer 
parables we're used to. 

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It's still a parable though. 
It's a it's a short analogy. 

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He's going to teach them a 
couple of things about exorcism 

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and what it's all about. 
He says to them, first, how can 

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Satan cast out Satan? 
And that's a rhetorical 

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question. 
He doesn't expect them to answer

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because the answer is obvious. 
The answer is he can't. 

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Verse 24, Jesus says to the 
scribes, if a Kingdom is divided

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against itself, that Kingdom 
cannot last. 

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So if you've got this Kingdom 
and there's internal fighting 

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going on, the Kingdom is not 
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And so Jesus point here is, if 
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rid of his own demons, he's 
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then it would not be a very 
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so that can't be right. 
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fighting against his own demons.
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can never stand. 
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family. 
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us the point he was trying to 
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Now whenever you're looking at 
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what's what was Jesus point. 
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little analogies. 
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readers, and this is the point 
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And that's what he does here. 
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tell the meaning of the parable 
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interpreting the other parables.
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means, verse 26. 
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himself and he's divided, he 
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It is the end of him. 
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You're wrong. 
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He says you're wrong. 
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out that idea about the Kingdom 
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them what's really going on, 
what's really happening in these

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exorcisms. 
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strong man's house and burgle 
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up the strong man first. 
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with this because it's implying 
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take it too literally. 
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supposed to be identical to 
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every aspect. 
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exactly. 
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parable. 
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central point that they will be 
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that to God. 
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planning to rob a house, but 
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it, they know who lives there, 
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a strong man, then the burglar 
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plan to tie up the strong man 
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his property. 
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very far. 
The strong man's just going to 

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kick him out. 
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Satan is like the strong man. 
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guarding his possessions. 
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salvation history, he has 
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particular the ones that he has 
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demons. 
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performing these exorcisms, he 
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the power of the strong man over
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By casting out these exorcisms, 
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influence in the world. 
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because remember what Jesus says
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strongman and then you plunder 
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So probably what Jesus is saying
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that he's doing currently a 
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house. 
So he's currently binding Satan,

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weakening his power over the 
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implying that soon there'll be a
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Satan's goods and that would 
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of the people from the Kingdom 
of Satan and brings them into 

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the Kingdom of God. 
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clearest teachings about what 
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We don't often like to talk 
about Satan and him having power

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in the world, but that was the 
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God. 
If you read the Gospels 

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carefully. 
Jesus clearly is teaching that 

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the world is largely under the 
power of Satan, and the point of

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the Kingdom of God is to give 
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a part of if they want to. 
So that's all the stuff about 

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exorcisms there that he's he's 
done a couple of little 

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analogies. 
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controversial part to interpret.
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I tell you solemnly, Now, 
whenever you say that you want 

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to pay attention. 
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basically means I'm about to 
tell you something very 

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important. 
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this as truly, truly, or Amen, 
Amen. 

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Or he who has an ear, let him 
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Verily, verily is the Old 
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Whenever you see those flag 
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because Jesus is about to teach 
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going to be something that's 
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It's probably some general 
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wants people to know about. 
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about to conclude he's make a 
conclusion, bring everything 

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he's said to a head and to make 
the point that he wants to make.

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So he's dealt with the little 
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and now he wants to make his 
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It's a textual indicator to us 
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to say he's about to teach 
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Messiah. 
He's about to teach something 

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theological and it's going to 
wrap up the things he's just 

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said. 
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All men's sins will be forgiven 
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So that's part one of the 
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So what's he said so far? 
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to God and enters the Kingdom, 
then all of their past sins will

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be forgiven. 
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limit to God's forgiveness. 
All sins will be forgiven. 

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Even blasphemies and blasphemies
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according to the Jews. 
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when you abuse God directly. 
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God. 
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blasphemies will be forgiven. 
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Sorry, I won't say the 
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Let's just talk about the word 
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first time that Jesus uses it 
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The Holy Spirit we sometimes 
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Old Testament at all. 
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It is in the Old Testament, but 
it's in the later books of the 

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Old Testament. 
And a lot of those books are not

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in Protestant Bibles. 
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book of Sirach, there's a couple
of descriptions about the Spirit

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of of God or the Holy Spirit. 
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So the Jews were familiar with, 
and they did believe in the Holy

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Spirit. 
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connect it with the Trinity. 
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Trinity. 
And Jesus is not referring to it

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in a Trinitarian way here 
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It's basically the power of God 
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That's what they saw the Holy 
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earth. 
And that's fine. 

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We as Christians, we believe 
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And so the Jews know what the 
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it, Jesus now says. 
Whoever blasphemes the Holy 

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Spirit or another translation, 
whoever speaks a word against 

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the Holy Spirit, why does he say
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Well, the scribes were in fact 
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They were blaspheming against 
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If you think about it, they were
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on earth. 
They were watching Jesus cast 

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out demons with the power of God
and they were attributing it to 

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Satan. 
They're blaspheming against the 

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work of God on earth. 
They're blaspheming against the 

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Holy Spirit. 
Now they didn't know that 

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though. 
So if we're going to analyse 

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this in terms of, you know, 
mortal sin and things like that,

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they didn't have full knowledge.
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that God was working through 
Jesus. 

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So if we want to pass it out 
that way, they weren't fully 

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culpable of it. 
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them a warning. 
He's not saying they're going to

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hell, He's just saying, oh, we 
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OK, so whoever blasphemes 
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says he will never have 
forgiveness or he is guilty of 

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an eternal sin. 
An eternal sin. 

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This is something that people 
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sometimes called the 
unforgivable sin. 

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How can there be a thing such as
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So let's think about it. 
Jesus is not saying that if you 

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personally offend God or you 
personally offend the Holy 

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Spirit by saying bad things 
about him, you'll be damned. 

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That's not the point he's 
making. 

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He's saying something more 
general. 

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He's using this idea of 
blasphemy, which they've just 

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done, but he's now making a more
general point about general way 

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that we can blasphemy against 
God. 

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And it's this. 
What Jesus is saying is this. 

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If a person dies having seen the
work of God in their life, but 

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they deny that it's the work of 
God, or they refuse to accept 

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his promptings, then they cut 
themselves off from God. 

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Now that's basically the 
Catholic teaching on salvation. 

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So it's not, it's not that 
there's one. 

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How can we put it? 
It's not that there's one 

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specific thing you do, one 
specific sin that you commit in 

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your life and you're done. 
That's it. 

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You can never be forgiven. 
That's not what Jesus is saying.

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He's saying there's only one 
thing that would stop you from 

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from entering the mercy of God, 
from entering the Kingdom of 

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heaven, and that is refusing to 
accept the work of God. 

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If you refuse to accept the work
of God, then there is no 

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forgiveness to you. 
There's no forgiveness 

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available, and you can't make it
into the Kingdom of heaven. 

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So it's a teaching on salvation.
So notice the language here 

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talks about all men an eternal 
life. 

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It doesn't say Pharisees. 
You need to know this. 

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It says all all manner of sins 
will be forgiven of men. 

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So we're talking about men in 
general. 

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And he mentions eternal life. 
So this is something that's 

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binding permanently. 
Jesus is teaching general 

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Christian theology here about 
salvation and the Church, The 

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Catholic Church has confirmed 
that the principle Jesus lays 

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out here is still binding today.
This is a permanent principle, 

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so let me reiterate what that 
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Again, the unforgivable sin is 
not that if you do one specific 

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sin that you can never be 
forgiven and you're stuffed up 

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for the rest of your life 
regardless of the good you do. 

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That's not what Jesus is saying.
He's saying that there's one 

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thing that will always be a 
barrier to you having 

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forgiveness and eternal life, 
and that one thing is rejecting 

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the work of God on earth. 
And so if we have it with that, 

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if we keep that perspective in 
mind, which is the perspective 

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of the Catholic Church, that 
fits nicely with everything else

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we know about salvation and 
everything we know about 

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Catholic teaching in general. 
Verse 30. 

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The last verse here, Mark tells 
the readers this is because they

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were saying an unclean spirit is
in him, So we need to keep that 

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in mind. 
Jesus has given us this teaching

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in response to the claim of the 
scribes that Jesus is possessed 

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by the devil. 
So Jesus here, remember, when 

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Jesus sort of responds to 
critics, what he generally does 

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is he sort of disabuses some of 
their false notions first. 

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But then he goes on to make a 
more serious point. 

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So he's disabused some of this 
false idea that he's possessed 

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by the devil. 
But now he's going to make a 

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more serious theological point, 
which is and it's this. 

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Imagine he's saying this to the 
to the scribes. 

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You need to be careful. 
If you don't change your mind 

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about this. 
If you continue to reject the 

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work of God that you've just 
seen, you will be damned. 

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That's what he's saying. 
It's a warning, OK? 

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It's a warning. 
Jesus is not saying. 

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Since you have said this, you 
are damned. 

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He's not saying that. 
He's saying that. 

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00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,360
You need to be careful. 
You need to reevaluate this. 

455
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,880
If you continue to see these 
things and reject them as the 

456
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,160
work of God, and you say that 
they're the work of Satan, then 

457
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,720
you're blocked from the Kingdom 
of God because you will not 

458
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,400
accept the work of God. 
This general principle applies 

459
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,920
to all of humanity today. 
This is what we as Catholics 

460
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,640
would say who goes to heaven? 
It's the people who accept the 

461
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,720
work of God in their life and 
they cooperate with it who goes 

462
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,120
to hell. 
It's those who reject the work 

463
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:50,440
of God on earth and in their 
life. 

464
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,400
Now that will be me paraphrasing
complex Catholic theology, but I

465
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,520
think it's a fair summary. 
Verse 31. 

466
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,440
They arrive. 
The mother and the brothers of 

467
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,800
Jesus arrive from Nazareth in 
Capernaum. 

468
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,160
So they've just arrived in 
Capernaum. 

469
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,160
So we have here the mother of 
Jesus. 

470
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,840
That's Mary. 
Now, a lot of Catholics are a 

471
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,640
little bit uncomfortable with 
this passage. 

472
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,080
Now it's possible she was just 
dragged along by the other 

473
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,560
family members, but I think it's
reasonable to say that at this 

474
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,080
point Mary does not fully 
comprehend what Jesus is doing. 

475
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,920
The Angel Gabriel apparently 
didn't tell her the full extent 

476
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,560
of what Jesus ministry was going
to look like, just that he would

477
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,000
be the son of David that 
everyone had been waiting for. 

478
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,480
She probably didn't. 
Anticipate this massive crowd 

479
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,200
thing and the authorities 
persecuting him. 

480
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,800
She didn't expect all that. 
So at this point in Jesus 

481
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,640
ministry it's quite early on she
doesn't understand. 

482
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,080
And I do think it's worth 
discussing this verse a bit, 

483
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,480
because as Catholics you can 
have different opinions about 

484
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,960
it. 
As I said at the start there, 

485
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,600
it's possible that she does 
fully understand everything that

486
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,400
Jesus ministry would entail and 
she's just been dragged along. 

487
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,720
That is certainly possible and 
many Catholics hold to that 

488
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,520
view. 
But we also want to think about 

489
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,680
what are the possible ways of 
thinking about it in terms of 

490
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,520
she genuinely doesn't 
understand. 

491
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,320
Well, we know that according to 
Luke's Gospel, she knows quite 

492
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,760
early on that he is God. 
So that Angel Gabriel says to 

493
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,800
her he'll be the son of David, 
the son of God. 

494
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,440
And then when she visits 
Elizabeth, Elizabeth explicitly 

495
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,600
says you are the mother of God, 
so she does know all of that. 

496
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,920
But it's not entirely clear how 
much Mary knows about the exact 

497
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,960
details of what Jesus ministry 
would look like. 

498
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,040
Theologians do discuss this 
because certainly in the early 

499
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,880
chapters of Luke's Gospel it 
does say that he's going to 

500
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,440
cause division. 
But remember that she's also in 

501
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,040
that same gospel and the Gospel 
of Luke. 

502
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:52,160
She's quite concerned about 
Jesus when they find him in the 

503
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,960
temple. 
That wasn't obvious to her, that

504
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,280
they would find him in the 
temple, and she didn't expect 

505
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,560
him to be doing what he's doing.
So I do think we as Catholics, 

506
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,880
we have room to say that Mary is
concerned about some of the 

507
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,160
things she's seeing Jesus doing.
And there's a whole lot more you

508
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,760
could say about this. 
As you explore Marian theology, 

509
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,040
you'll see that theologians have
agreed that Mary had the 

510
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,120
fullness of grace. 
But theologians are divided in 

511
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:19,920
terms of what that means about 
her knowledge, and this is one 

512
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,000
of these verses it's well worth 
getting into. 

513
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,880
But probably by the time of the 
cross she does understand. 

514
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,320
She gets it then. 
But at this stage it's OK for us

515
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,160
to say that. 
Mary doesn't fully get it. 

516
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,280
And she's concerned about Jesus.
She thinks is possibly a little 

517
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,880
bit gone, a little bit too far. 
So there's the mother of Jesus. 

518
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,440
We also have the brothers of 
Jesus. 

519
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,680
Now we need to explore these 
brothers of Jesus. 

520
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,480
So firstly, the word brother in 
Greek is a Delphos, and in that 

521
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,160
culture is used quite loosely as
it is in the Old Testament. 

522
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,720
We have lots of examples of 
people being called brothers in 

523
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,720
the Old Testament and we later 
discovered they're not actually 

524
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,440
brothers, they're just close 
relatives. 

525
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,880
So in that culture as it is in 
some countries even today, 

526
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,680
people will be called uncle, 
auntie, brother, when they're 

527
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,600
not literally that biologically,
they're not biologically 

528
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,280
brothers, but perhaps they are 
extended family members or 

529
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,360
cousins. 
That's the way it was used in 

530
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,800
Jewish culture. 
So just seeing the word Adolphus

531
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,040
doesn't guarantee that we have 
here a biological brother of 

532
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,160
Jesus, just some sort of close 
relative. 

533
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,800
We also know from later in the 
passage that some of his sisters

534
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,440
are there as well. 
So we have some brothers and 

535
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,320
sisters. 
So we know that there's some 

536
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,840
sort of senior close relative of
Jesus. 

537
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,880
Because remember, they feel 
responsible or they want to 

538
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,800
take. 
They feel that they're 

539
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,560
responsible for Jesus because 
Joseph has passed away, which 

540
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,040
probably indicates that they're 
older than Jesus. 

541
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,320
So they're senior relatives of 
Jesus. 

542
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,000
Who are they? 
Let's see what we can work out 

543
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,680
about them. 
These brothers and sisters of 

544
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,480
Jesus are mentioned several 
times in the New Testament, 

545
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,720
though we're never given a full 
explanation of who their mother 

546
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,680
and father are. 
We just get little tidbits. 

547
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,920
Another thing we know is the 
early Church unanimously held 

548
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,600
that Mary remained a virgin her 
entire life, and that's Catholic

549
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,800
teaching as well. 
Catholics. 

550
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,400
A Catholic belief is that Mary 
did not have any children after 

551
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,280
Jesus or before Jesus actually. 
So we know firstly they cannot 

552
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,440
be children of Mary. 
Whoever these brothers and 

553
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,720
sisters of Jesus are, they're 
not Mary's kids. 

554
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,480
But. 
Also, if Joseph has died at this

555
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,640
time, it seems like Mary is 
living with these other 

556
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,560
relatives in Nazareth. 
Since she's still living in 

557
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,440
Nazareth, and since these other 
relatives are also living with 

558
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,120
her in Nazareth, it seems likely
that these other relatives 

559
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,280
probably grew up in Nazareth 
too. 

560
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,400
If we put all that together, 
probably we're looking at some 

561
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,200
blood relatives of Mary here, 
some people who all grew up in 

562
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:07,200
the Nazareth area, some blood 
relatives of Mary, as we already

563
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,680
said that they are probably 
older than Jesus because of 

564
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,080
their authoritative behavior. 
So they're born before Mary and 

565
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,200
Joseph were married. 
Now here's the interesting bit. 

566
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,600
Later in Mark, in chapter 6 
verse three, we actually get the

567
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,240
names of some of these so-called
brothers of Jesus. 

568
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,560
So there's four brothers of 
Jesus that we're given names for

569
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,280
in Mark chapter 6, verse three, 
and you can look at this up as 

570
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,160
well. 
We have James, Joseph, Judas and

571
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Simon. 
Now it's problematic as all four

572
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,480
of these names are really common
even amongst you can see there 

573
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,280
that three of them, James, Judas
and Simon, they have the same 

574
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,080
names as Son of Jesus Apostles. 
And the 4th 1 Joseph is the same

575
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,560
as Jesus Father. 
So it gets really confusing 

576
00:31:53,560 --> 00:32:00,080
trying to track who these four 
boys are, but we know for sure 

577
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,440
that they're not four siblings. 
And here's why. 

578
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,680
The James and Joseph, the two of
the boys mentioned here, James 

579
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,400
and Joseph. 
We later get more information 

580
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,800
about James and Joseph in Mark 
chapter 15, verse 40. 

581
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,280
It says that James and Joseph 
have a mother called Mary, but 

582
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,040
it's not the Mary that's Jesus 
mother. 

583
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,880
So we Mark explicitly tells us 
that James and Joseph are not 

584
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,240
full blood relatives of Jesus. 
They're not full siblings. 

585
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,240
They are in fact from another 
mother. 

586
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,720
So who's this other mother? 
Mary. 

587
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,080
Many in the early church, we're 
not sure about this, but we know

588
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,160
Mark tells us for sure that 
they're not. 

589
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,320
They don't come from the same 
mother as Jesus. 

590
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,720
And then on top of that, many in
the early church believe that 

591
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,320
this other Mary possibly is Mary
the wife of Cleopas mentioned in

592
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,320
the Gospel of John and the early
Church. 

593
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,200
A lot of. 
The church fathers talked about 

594
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,320
this other Mary actually being a
relative of Mary, the mother of 

595
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,520
Jesus. 
So if that's the case, if this 

596
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,800
other Mary is a relative of 
Mary, the mother of Jesus, then 

597
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,760
roughly what we have here is 
that these boys, James, Judas, 

598
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,760
Joseph, and Simon, basically 
they're Jesus cousins or second 

599
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,280
cousins, something along those 
lines. 

600
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,480
So it took us a while to get to 
that conclusion. 

601
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,600
But if we put together all the 
data, particularly what the 

602
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,240
Gospels tell us about the mother
of these boys, we know for sure 

603
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,080
that they're not Mary's kids. 
They're probably Jesus cousins. 

604
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,240
There's some other theories as 
well, but I think this is the 

605
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:46,600
most plausible theory that these
are blood relatives of Mary, but

606
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,560
not blood relatives. 
Sorry, this that's not a good 

607
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,440
way of putting it. 
They are blood relatives of 

608
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,720
Mary, but they are not Mary's 
children. 

609
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,520
OK, so having said that, they 
arrive in Capernaum. 

610
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,000
So that's they've been on a 20 
mile journey, probably only took

611
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,720
a day or two. 
They arrive in Nazareth and they

612
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,360
stand outside. 
There's waiting outside Jesus 

613
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,480
home in Nazareth in Capernaum. 
Because the crowd is too dense, 

614
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,080
they actually can't get into the
house. 

615
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,239
Jesus is in his house. 
He's healing people. 

616
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,040
He's teaching massive crowds as 
usual, and it's too dense. 

617
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,480
They can't get in. 
So keep this in mind. 

618
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,199
Often in pictures you'll see it 
as though they could see Jesus 

619
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,960
or something and Jesus could see
them. 

620
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,040
He actually can't. 
From what we can tell, the crowd

621
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,320
is too thick. 
They can't see each other. 

622
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,719
So what they have to do is they 
send in a message. 

623
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,120
So they get they send someone to
squeeze through the crowd to 

624
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,199
speak to Jesus. 
And this is the message they 

625
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,159
send into Jesus. 
Verse 32. 

626
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,520
Your mother and brothers and 
sisters are outside asking for 

627
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,520
you. 
That's the message Jesus gets. 

628
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,199
So remember, Jesus can't see any
of his relatives. 

629
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,280
This is probably news to him. 
He's probably going oh OK, these

630
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,400
people have arrived. 
I wasn't expecting them. 

631
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,760
Who knows? 
He's the son of God. 

632
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,120
Maybe he was expecting them. 
But then his reply in verse 33. 

633
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,720
Because it says here, he 
replied, it's it seems likely 

634
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,120
that he's not speaking loudly to
the crowd here. 

635
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,040
Probably only those nearby would
have heard his reply. 

636
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,720
Here That would include Peter. 
And remember, Peter is the main 

637
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:21,360
source for this gospel of Mark. 
So here's his reply. 

638
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,400
Who are my mother and brothers 
now? 

639
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,440
Jesus here is not pretending to 
know his biological relatives. 

640
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,200
He's not being like, oh, who are
my mother and brothers? 

641
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,560
I don't know. 
I've never met them before. 

642
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,240
That's not what he's saying. 
He's just using this as a 

643
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,600
teaching opportunity. 
He's about to springboard off 

644
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,560
this, to say something more 
profound. 

645
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,560
Verse 34, looking around at 
those in a circle about him. 

646
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,680
So the crowd that are nearby, 
sitting, listening to him think 

647
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,000
about what's going on here, this
inner circle of the crowd is 

648
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,080
sitting and listening to him. 
And they're accepting the 

649
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,440
message of the Kingdom. 
They're taking in, the message 

650
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,160
of the Kingdom. 
They want to hear more about God

651
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:04,920
and about Jesus. 
He says that here are my mother 

652
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,440
and my brothers, this inner 
circle of the crowd. 

653
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:13,000
And then he goes on verse 35, 
anyone who does the will of God.

654
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,800
Now let's pause there. 
Anyone who does the will of God,

655
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,200
that's anyone in the world, even
up until today. 

656
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,320
If you do the will of God, this 
next bit applies to you. 

657
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,720
That person is my brother and 
sister and mother. 

658
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,720
So anyone who does the will of 
God, that's the prerequisite. 

659
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,240
Jesus sets out here. 
Can be considered legitimately 

660
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,680
to be part of the family of 
Jesus and God. 

661
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,360
Anyone who does the will of 
anyone who does the will of God.

662
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,160
So that's not just a nice 
sentiment. 

663
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,600
You might go on retreats and 
things and hear this oh, you're 

664
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,200
a child of God or Jesus is your 
brother. 

665
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Well, it is a nice sentiment, 
but actually Jesus teaches this 

666
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,160
here. 
It's literally true. 

667
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,120
Well, in a spiritual sense, it 
is correct to say that we're a 

668
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,800
part of Jesus family. 
So not only is Jesus 

669
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,240
establishing the Kingdom of God,
he is doing that, but he's also 

670
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,320
establishing a new family of 
God. 

671
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,600
We sometimes forget that aspect 
of it. 

672
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,840
Jesus is establishing a new 
family for God. 

673
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,960
Now let's go back to the 
cultural aspect of this. 

674
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,880
Jesus says he's my brother and 
he's my mother and brothers. 

675
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,240
That would have been shocking. 
You can imagine a gasp from the 

676
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:25,160
crowd because to essentially put
aside your own biological family

677
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,600
and say, Nah, I have another 
family, that's shocking. 

678
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,920
That's putting aside your the 
expected family obligations, 

679
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:38,600
that's quite scandalous. 
Now one thing to notice who 

680
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,760
Jesus doesn't list in this 
family, He says. 

681
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,520
Anyone who does the will of God 
listen to what he says is my 

682
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,440
mother and my brother and my 
sister who's missing from that 

683
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,120
list. 
Father. 

684
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,000
There's no father in. 
Well, there's no one who's added

685
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,960
into the family of God as 
father. 

686
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,840
That's significant. 
Jesus here is saying there's 

687
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,040
already a father of this family 
and that's God. 

688
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,280
I think that's quite an 
interesting little bit of the 

689
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,160
text, isn't it? 
God is the father of the family 

690
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,240
and Jesus. 
Part of Jesus mission is to 

691
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,760
bring more people into that 
family, but there's no more 

692
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,600
fathers of the family because 
there's only one father in 

693
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,960
there. 
So. 

694
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,000
Let's try and get a Jesus 
overall meaning here. 

695
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,520
He's not dissing his own family.
It's. 

696
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,040
What he is saying though is that
his obligations to his true 

697
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,320
spiritual family override his 
obligations to his natural 

698
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,480
biological family. 
He is saying that that he has 

699
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,880
another family that's more 
significant even than his 

700
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,040
biological family. 
So we can say that even the 

701
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,200
closest of human bonds the 
biological family. 

702
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,920
Has to take second. 
Place to the Kingdom of God. 

703
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,320
That still applies to us today. 
And we need to think about how 

704
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,400
that might apply, you know, our 
own lives. 

705
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,120
Yeah, He's not dismissing his 
own family completely. 

706
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,160
He's not cutting them out of his
life or something. 

707
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,240
And think about if things looked
different at that particular 

708
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:03,920
time. 
So there's a massive crowd in 

709
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,760
the house. 
He can't see them, they can't 

710
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,400
see him. 
If there was no big crowd, 

711
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,080
things might be quite different.
If Jesus was alone up in the 

712
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,600
hills or just with his 12 
apostles, probably the 

713
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,120
conversation would have been 
quite different. 

714
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,280
It's just that there are so many
people there in the crowd with 

715
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,680
him, and he's in the middle of 
teaching and healing. 

716
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,920
So presumably he's saying right 
now I'm needed here. 

717
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,040
This is the family that I need 
to tend to here, and that's more

718
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,840
important than my biological 
family, and that's where the 

719
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,440
text ends. 
Presumably he would have 

720
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,400
continued teaching. 
He would have just kept talking 

721
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,280
for a bit longer, and it's 
possible maybe that he might 

722
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,960
have caught up with his family 
later. 

723
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,480
Who knows, maybe the crowd stuck
with him for too long. 

724
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,400
But it's possible that he did go
and see his mother and his 

725
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,880
family a bit later on. 
But that's not recorded for us 

726
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,040
in the Gospels. 
Another thing to keep in mind 

727
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,760
here is many of his family, many
of the people listed here did 

728
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,160
eventually accept Jesus as the 
Messiah. 

729
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,080
Obviously his mother did, and we
know that some of his brothers 

730
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,240
and sisters did. 
So that's mentioned in Acts 114,

731
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,640
one Corinthians 9 verse 5, and 
Galatians one verse 19. 

732
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,520
There's these references. 
To the mother and brothers. 

733
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,080
Sorry, the brothers and sisters 
of the Lord who eventually 

734
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,920
become his disciples. 
Although for many of them it's 

735
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,200
not until after his death, we 
know that one of them in 

736
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,800
particular was really important.
One of Jesus brothers called 

737
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:35,960
James eventually becomes the 
first Bishop of Jerusalem and he

738
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,240
becomes a really, really 
important figure in the early 

739
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,000
church. 
One of the most important. 

740
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,640
Now let's have a look at the 
catechism passages here. 

741
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,280
There's a few really interesting
ones. 

742
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,960
Paragraph 548, there's a 
description about how Jesus is 

743
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,720
accused of being possessed by 
Satan. 

744
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,840
Paragraph 574, It's the same 
thing. 

745
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,920
It says Jesus is suspected of 
demonic possession. 

746
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Paragraph 539, I'll read out 
this one. 

747
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,320
It's about Jesus temptations. 
The evangelists indicate the 

748
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,800
salvific meaning of this 
mysterious event. 

749
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,320
Jesus is the new Adam who 
remained faithful just where the

750
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,600
first Adam had given in to 
temptation, Jesus fulfills 

751
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,920
Israel's vocation perfectly, in 
contrast to those who had once 

752
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,520
provoked God during 40 years in 
the desert, Christ reveals 

753
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,120
himself as God's servant, 
totally obedient to the divine 

754
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,200
will. 
In this, Jesus is the devil's 

755
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,560
conqueror. 
He binds the strong man to take 

756
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,800
back his plunder. 
Jesus, victory over the tempter 

757
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,880
in the desert, anticipates 
victory at the Passion, the 

758
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,960
supreme act of obedience to his 
filial love for the Father. 

759
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,800
So you'll hear there the echoes 
about binding the strong man. 

760
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,360
Paragraph 1864 is the one that 
we want to spend the most time 

761
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,560
on. 
This is in the section about 

762
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,960
different kinds of sin, mortal 
and venial sin. 

763
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,600
And this paragraph is about the 
unforgivable sin. 

764
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,520
Therefore I tell you, every sin 
and blasphemy will be forgiven 

765
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,840
men, but the blasphemy against 
the Spirit will not be forgiven.

766
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,760
There are no limits to the mercy
of God, but anyone who 

767
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,360
deliberately refuses to accept 
his mercy by repenting rejects 

768
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,280
the forgiveness of his sins and 
the salvation offered by the 

769
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,800
Holy Spirit. 
Such hardness of heart can lead 

770
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,720
to final impenitence and eternal
loss. 

771
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,000
So really clear Catholic 
teaching there about anyone who 

772
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,640
deliberately refuses to accept 
his mercy by repenting rejects 

773
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,360
the forgiveness of his sins and 
the salvation offered by the 

774
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,640
Holy Spirit. 
Now I want to read out a bit of 

775
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,680
an extended quote here because 
this paragraph that we just read

776
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,320
out 1864 of the Catechism is 
largely informed by an 

777
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,880
encyclical written by Pope John 
Paul the 2nd called probably not

778
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,400
going to pronounce this right 
Dominum. 

779
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,600
It's Vivicantum, that's the 
Latin and it's the English title

780
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,560
of that encyclical is on the 
Holy Spirit in the life of the 

781
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:16,120
Church and the world. 
Now I want to read out paragraph

782
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,960
46 because this is where the 
teaching of the Catholic Church 

783
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,440
on what the unforgivable sin is 
is explained here in this 

784
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,920
encyclical. 
So if what I've said so far 

785
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,160
hasn't made sense, hopefully 
this will help clarify it. 

786
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,720
And certainly, you know, I don't
have any authority to proclaim 

787
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,160
Catholic teaching, But the Pope 
does, and so I think it's well 

788
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,680
worth listening to him describe 
how we should understand the 

789
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,600
unforgivable sin. 
So this is paragraph 46 from 

790
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,320
Pope John Paul the second's 
encyclical. 

791
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:50,560
Why is blasphemy against the 
Holy Spirit unforgivable? 

792
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,040
How should this blasphemy be 
understood? 

793
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,120
Saint Thomas Aquinas replies 
that it is a question of a sin 

794
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,880
that is unforgivable by its very
nature, insofar as it excludes 

795
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,040
the elements through which the 
forgiveness of sin takes place. 

796
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,440
According to such an exegesis, 
blasphemy does not properly 

797
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,040
consist in offending against the
Holy Spirit. 

798
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,280
In words, it consists rather in 
the refusal to accept the 

799
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,440
salvation which God offers to 
man through the Holy Spirit, 

800
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:23,800
working through the power of the
cross, if man rejects the 

801
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,560
convincing concerning sin which 
comes from the Holy Spirit, and 

802
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,040
which? 
Has the power to save. 

803
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,120
He also rejects the coming of 
the Counselor, that coming which

804
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,760
was accomplished in the Paschal 
mystery in union with the 

805
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,320
redemptive power of Christ's 
blood, the blood which purifies 

806
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,840
the conscience from dead works. 
We know that the result of such 

807
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,240
a purification is the 
forgiveness of sins. 

808
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,600
Therefore whoever rejects the 
Spirit and the blood remains in 

809
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,720
dead works in sin, and the 
blasphemy against the Holy 

810
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:59,800
Spirit consists precisely in the
radical refusal to accept this 

811
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,200
forgiveness of which he is the 
intimate giver, and which 

812
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,680
presupposes the genuine 
conversion which he brings about

813
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,920
in the conscience. 
If Jesus says that blasphemy 

814
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,840
against the Holy Spirit cannot 
be forgiven either in this life 

815
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,840
or in the next, it is because 
this non forgiveness is linked 

816
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,480
as to its cause to non 
repentance, in other words to 

817
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,280
the radical refusal to be 
converted. 

818
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,240
Blasphemy against the Holy 
Spirit, then, is the sin 

819
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,800
committed by the person who 
claims to have a right to 

820
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,240
persist in evil in any sin at 
all, and who thus rejects 

821
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:39,320
redemption. 
One closes oneself up in sin, 

822
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,560
thus making impossible one's 
conversion and consequently 

823
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,080
their remission of sins which 
one considers not essential or 

824
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,520
not important for one's life. 
This is a state of spiritual 

825
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,160
ruin because blasphemy against 
the Holy Spirit does not allow 

826
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,560
one to escape from one's 
self-imposed imprisonment and 

827
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,960
open oneself to the divine 
sources of the purification of 

828
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,000
consciences and of the remission
of sins. 

829
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,120
So that's the end of the quote 
there from Pope John Paul the 

830
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:17,040
2nd SO paragraph 500 against 
this doctrine of Mary's ever 

831
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,600
virginity. 
The objection is sometimes 

832
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,880
raised that the Bible mentions 
brothers and sisters of Jesus. 

833
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,560
The Church has always understood
these passages as not referring 

834
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,640
to other children of the Virgin 
Mary. 

835
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:34,160
In fact, James and Joseph, 
brothers of Jesus, are described

836
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,600
as the sons of another Mary, a 
disciple of Christ, whom Saint 

837
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,080
Matthew significantly calls the 
other Mary. 

838
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,560
They are close relations of 
Jesus according to an Old 

839
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:51,760
Testament expression. 
So I'll put all these paragraph 

840
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,600
sorry catechism quotes and the 
Pope John Paul, the second quote

841
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,320
in the show notes. 
And this is one of those 

842
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,960
passages that needs to be read a
few times and perhaps analysed a

843
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,400
few times. 
So if you think you got the 

844
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,240
basics of what I've said but you
want to listen to it again, 

845
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:09,800
that's probably not a bad thing 
to do. 

846
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,760
Thanks for listening. 
Hope you learned something new 

847
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,440
about demon possession and the 
unforgivable sin. 

848
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,920
And if you think others would 
benefit from hearing this 

849
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,440
podcast as well others who might
wonder about the unforgivable 

850
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,920
sin, then please consider 
sharing this podcast with them. 

851
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:28,600
Thanks for listening.
