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Hi everyone. 
This is The Logical Bible study 

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podcast, and our goal here in 
this podcast is to take a look 

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at the literal sense of the 
Gospel texts. 

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What do they mean in their 
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What was Jesus trying to get it 
in certain circumstances? 

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So we're doing an exegesis of 
the text and as always, we'll 

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Start with the Gospel reading 
from today's mass. 

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So it's Luke chapter 17 verses 
20 to 25 Asked by the Pharisees,

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when the kingdom of God was to 
come Jesus, gave them this 

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answer. 
The coming of the kingdom of God

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does not admit of observation, 
and there will be no one to say,

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look, here, look there for. 
You must know, the kingdom of 

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God is among you. 
He said to the disciples a time 

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will come, when you will long to
see one of the days of the son 

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of man and will not see it. 
They will say to you, look 

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there, or look here. 
Make no move, do not set off in 

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Pursuit for as the lightning 
flashing from one part of 

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Heaven, lights up the other. 
So, we'll be the son of man when

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his day comes. 
But first, he must suffer 

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grievously and be rejected by 
this generation So, as we get 

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into today's text, it's worth 
pointing out that this one in 

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particular, is one part of the 
gospels where Scholars are 

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divided and it's, you're going 
to encounter different views 

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depending on which commentary 
you read and that certainly 

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acceptable for a Catholic, you 
really just need to look at the 

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text do a bit of research and 
come to your own conclusions on.

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What makes the most sense to you
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The church has no official 
interpretation on how to 

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understand these texts and 
you'll particularly see with the

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second half of today's Text when
Jesus starts to do predictions 

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about what's going to happen on 
the days of judgment, there's 

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different views amongst 
Catholics about what exactly is 

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Jesus talking about. 
So, we'll offer one view in this

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podcast, but you're not bound to
accept it. 

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We'll do our best though, to see
if we can get at what Jesus 

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might have meant. 
So, what's going on? 

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What's the context here at this 
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Jesus is moving From Galilee up 
to Jerusalem for the final part 

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of his ministry and he's 
speaking to the crowds doing 

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things along the way. 
We get to verse 20 today. 

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It says asked by the Pharisees 
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come. 
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believe that the kingdom of God 
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Old Testament predicts in lots 
of places that the kingdom of 

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God will come. 
And God is going to pour out his

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blessings everywhere all over 
the Through the Jewish people, 

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that was sort of the view of the
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In Jesus time, it's described in
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and other places as well. 
There's constantly this idea 

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that one day there will be a 
decisive victory Of God called 

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the coming of the kingdom of 
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So they understood it this way 
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one day, God would dramatically 
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kingdom to Earth. 
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coming. 
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physically reign as king over 
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Messiah, and when that happens, 
Israel would become the center 

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of the world. 
The Jews would be Vindicated, 

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and their enemies would be wiped
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That's how they saw the kingdom 
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So they saw it as a sudden 
military Victory, basically. 

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Now, in particular, it was 
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play a key role in bringing 
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So it's possible that the 
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this in a sarcastic way. 
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Like, if you're really the 
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the kingdom of God is coming, or
maybe they genuinely mean it. 

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Maybe they actually want to 
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We think you might be the 
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Can you tell us when the kingdom
of God is coming, particularly 

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in the Gospel of Luke? 
Jesus meets several Pharisees 

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that are open to the things of 
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So that's certainly possible. 
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He says the kingdom of God does 
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That's what our translation in 
the lectionary says, a lot of 

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other translations say this the 
kingdom of God is not coming 

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with signs to be observed. 
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sense of the text. 
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the kingdom of God, to be 
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accompanied. 
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form of Great Signs from heaven.
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happened the Romans, I'll be 
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I'll be all very dramatic and 
visible. 

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Jesus answer here, is that the 
kingdom of God is not coming 

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with signs to be observed. 
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The kingdom of God is not going 
to come in the grand military 

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way that you expect. 
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than that. 
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He tells them, he corrects their
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coming will look like. 
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there will be no one to say look
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So again, Jesus, She needs that 
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there won't be big dramatic 
visible signs and now he's going

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to get more specific about when 
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He says for you must know or you
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kingdom of God is among you. 
Now, this verse is much debated 

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by Scholars because it can be 
translated different ways. 

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I'll give you three different 
translations of this same verse 

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and these are all legitimate 
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will see that depending on which
word is use, it seems to bring 

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about a different Kind of 
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So you can have the kingdom of 
God is among you, or the kingdom

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of God, is in the midst of you, 
or you can translate it as the 

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kingdom of God is within you. 
So this verse or this phrase is 

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much debated. 
Remember, Jesus is talking to 

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the Pharisees here. 
The kingdom of God is among you.

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What does Jesus mean? 
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the kingdom of God is among you 
one suggestion. 

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And this is the suggestion. 
Most Scholars go with is, that 

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Jesus is answering the question 
of He's correcting their views 

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about when the kingdom of God is
to come. 

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And his basic answer with. 
The kingdom of God, is among 

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you, is something like this, the
kingdom of God, is in your midst

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already. 
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the Jesus. 
Himself, has already begun to 

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bring the kingdom in. 
He's the king, the kingdom of 

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God, is already present in their
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So he's telling them the kingdom
of God is here, guys. 

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You need to pay attention. 
It's not going to be dramatic 

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signs in the future. 
It's already here. 

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So that's one suggestion other 
Scholars. 

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Think that a better translation 
is the kingdom of God is within 

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you, as in, this is a spiritual 
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And you'll often maybe here this
on Retreats or in connection 

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with spiritual theology, Jesus 
says to the Pharisees, the 

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kingdom of God is within you. 
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every person has the kingdom 
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sense, we all have the image of 
God and the Holy Spirit wants to

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work in our souls. 
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kingdom. 
Everyone has the kingdom inside 

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them. 
If We're willing to tap into it.

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So Jesus is telling that the 
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within their reach, its inside 
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open to it. 
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spiritual than a physical 
reality that would fit the 

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context to scums some Scholars. 
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sense because these are 
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thinks that they're outside the 
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So does it make sense for him to
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within them? 
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particularly in Luke Jesus, 
encounter several Fair. 

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Jesus who are genuinely seeking 
for the Kingdom, so I don't 

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think we can rule this 
interpretation out. 

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I think it actually is a 
reasonable interpretation. 

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He's telling the Pharisees that 
the kingdom of God is present 

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within them if they're willing 
to tap into it into their souls.

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But you could go with either 
interpretation here verse 22, he

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said to his disciples. 
So noticing now transitions to 

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speaking to the disciples only 
and it's possible that this next

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bit was said on a different 
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He's not going to talk about 
things that will happen at the 

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end of time. 
So this is often called an 

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eschatological Discord discourse
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Basically means the end, this is
the first of two eschatological 

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discourses. 
In Luke, there's two places 

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where Jesus gives a big speech 
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So Luke 17, which is what we're 
looking at today, and then he 

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does it again in Luke chapter 
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Now Matthew, if you look at 
Matthews version of this, it's 

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called the Olivet discourse. 
A Matthew collects Both Luke 17 

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and Luke 21 and puts them 
together in the same part of his

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own Gospel. 
But in reverse order, so Luke 

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17. 
And Luke 21 are combined in 

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Matthew's gospel and to Matthew,
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So, what we have here is the 
same content as the Olivet 

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discourse, but it's split up and
it's arranged differently. 

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It is really difficult to work 
out. 

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The original presentation. 
When did Jesus say each phrase? 

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And when has the gospel author 
decided to rearrange things, And

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that is one of the reasons that 
interpreting these passages 

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these predictions about the end 
of time, is particularly 

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difficult when exactly? 
Did Jesus say it? 

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When did he put certain 
sentences together? 

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If we were sure of that, that 
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But let's have a go and see what
he says here. 

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He starts by saying a time will 
come or you can translate that 

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as a day is coming, the days are
coming. 

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So, Jesus here is making a 
prophecy the days are coming and

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he's going to describe here a 
time of great distress, which 

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will I'm on the Jews, and it 
seems that his primarily 

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referring to ad 70, he's 
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the temple. 
So if we read the rest of the 

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passage in that light, it will 
help make sense of it. 

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He's telling his literal 
audience at the time, that many 

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of them are going to be living 
through the difficult 

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circumstances of AD 70. 
The days are coming. 

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It's a time of great distress. 
The jewish-roman war is when 

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incredibly difficult time for 
the Jews. 

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So let's keep in mind, he's 
probably thinking primarily of a

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decentralized Auntie, although 
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that, but even if we say that 
he's thinking of events that 

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occur at his middle coming in ad
70, it's still possible. 

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These foreshadow, the very end 
of the world which is still yet 

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to come. 
We know that God works in 

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patents. 
So if we take the 

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interpretation, that Jesus is 
primarily thinking of the 

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jewish-roman war and the 
destruction of the temple in ad 

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70, it's still possible that 
some of what Jesus says here, 

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could still apply to the end of 
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Because God works in Patents. 
So many Catholic authors have 

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taken it to refer to the end of 
time as well. 

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So he says a time will come when
you will long to see one of the 

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days of the son of man, and will
not see it. 

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So the teaching here apparently 
is he's talking about the coming

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of the kingdom of God. 
He sang you a long to see the 

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coming of the kingdom of God, 
which he calls you the days of 

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the son of man, the son of man 
is a figure in the Book of 

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Daniel and it primarily is a 
reference to the Messiah. 

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So, the days of the son of man 
would probably be a As to the 

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time when the Messiah comes in 
his glory and that is certainly 

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fulfilled in a way in ad 70. 
And we talked about this in 

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other places in the podcast. 
So, here Jesus is saying, there 

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will come a day or those days 
will come. 

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When you will long for the 
coming of the kingdom of God, 

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you will long to see God's 
physical rain being set up, and 

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you will long to see massive 
victory over your political 

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enemies, and that makes sense. 
Because Jesus knows that the 

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disciples in particular are 
going to suffer a lot in the 

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coming years, they're going to 
be persecuted. 

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For their faith. 
So when he says to them, you 

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will long to see the one of the 
days of the son of man and will 

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not see it. 
He's probably thinking of when 

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the disciples are going to long 
to see Jesus return. 

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They want to see themselves 
being Vindicated, they want 

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Jesus to return and to wipe out 
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vindicate, the people who have 
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knows the Christians are going 
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they're going to want him to 
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it. 
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The Christian disciples don't 
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of man is because quite 
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when Jesus returns in 70 AD. 
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we get there, Jesus tells them 
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He says the days of the son of 
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escape them. 
You need to flee the city before

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the destruction comes on the 
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They all the Christians? 
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tells us that there were no 
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was destroyed because they all 
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Ructions to get out. 
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although the temple was 
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of the son of man happened in a 
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did not see the days of the son 
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there. 
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this passage. 
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days of the son of man, it's 
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armies besieged the city. 
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think that this interpretation 
doesn't make sense when Jesus 

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says days of the son of man, 
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coming which hasn't happened 
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that's possible, but we have to 
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same phrase elsewhere. 
This is a very technical phrase,

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the days of the son of man. 
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specifically says, the days of 
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foreign armies besieged 
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seems to fit 70 AD if you're 
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It's really worth studying these
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out how How each text maps onto 
each other, and what they might 

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be referring to? 
It's quite a fascinating study 

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verse 23. 
Jesus says, they will say to you

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look there or look here. 
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that at that time, many Jews in 
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Jews will try to lead them 
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kingdom of God is coming. 
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of 70 AD. 
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Messiahs in the time, leading up
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false. 
Signs. 

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So they're literally was people 
going around saying look, the 

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kingdom of God is coming. 
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accurate. 
His telling his disciples, don't

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fall for it. 
Inspect, in fact, he 

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specifically says to them do not
go do not follow them so he 

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tells the disciples not to be 
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preachers. 
When they arise verse 24, for as

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the lightning flashing, from one
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other, so will the son of man. 
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we understand this? 
Passage the lightning flashing 

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from one part of Heaven lights 
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This seems to be a Jewish 
metaphor to basically mean it an

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obvious event. 
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there will be a visible obvious 
big manifestation when the son 

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of man comes. 
So just as the lightning 

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lighting up, the sky is big and 
obvious and everyone sees it. 

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When the day of the son of man 
comes it's going to be big and 

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obvious and everyone will see 
it. 

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That seems to be the meaning. 
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Write what they said earlier 
about. 

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The kingdom of God is going to 
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Jesus says, well, that's 
partially true, particularly the

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day of the son of, man. 
This is a technical term, the 

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day of the son of man, when 
Jesus is Vindicated in 70 AD, 

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that will be accompanied by 
signs. 

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And it will be a big obvious 
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So, the Pharisees are right, 
that the kingdom of God will 

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involve signs, but they didn't 
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Now, again, when Jesus says for,
as the lightning flashes, from 

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one part of Heaven, lights up 
the other, so will the son of 

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man be when his day comes, this 
could refer either to the 

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destruction of the temple in 70 
AD or you could say that these 

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words sound more, like the 
second coming, which hasn't 

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taken place yet. 
I think the context suggest that

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he is talking about 70 AD, he's 
basically saying the day of the 

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son of man, the day of judgment 
on the city will be obvious. 

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It'll happen in 70 AD when the 
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This is often called Jesus 
middle coming, and it's called 

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that because one aspect of the 
destruction of the temple, and 

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the jewish-roman war is it's 
God's punishment. 

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On the Jewish people, for 
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That might seem controversial, 
but that is actually the 

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teaching of the New Testament, 
particularly Jesus himself in 

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the gospels. 
He specifically says, because 

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you've rejected the Messiah that
the people, the temple will be 

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destroyed. 
And when that happens, the old 

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Covenant is basically ended in a
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Don't starts. 
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It's the time of the son of man,
when the rule of the, son of man

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is visible. 
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begins on Earth, if you're 
interested in all these themes 

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about the kingdom of God and 70 
AD, I've actually done a lecture

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Series going through the kingdom
of God and what that phrase 

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means and how it's understood by
the Jews and Jesus time and how 

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Jesus understood it. 
And that's available to you 

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through the patreon page. 
If you give $20 a month or more,

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it's a six-part series. 
The kingdom of God. 

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So check that out if you kind of
like what you're hearing here. 

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He finishes in verse 25, You by 
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So we need to talk about this 
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It's a technical term that Jesus
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ministry, to describe the evil 
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Particularly the Jewish leaders.
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generation in the days of Moses,
just as the people, in the days 

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of Moses are described as an 
evil generation because they 

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reject God. 
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discussing scribed here as an 
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So here's the full sentence. 
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grievously and be rejected by 
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This is a fascinating teaching 
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Jesus says, the days of the, son
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It will be obvious. 
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But first, he has to be rejected
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The teaching here is that Jesus?
The Messiah cannot come in 

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glory. 
He cannot come in judgment until

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he first suffers and is rejected
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Why is that? 
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This is part of God's mystery of
Salvation, where he allows Jesus

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to set up his kingdom in stages.
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the cross. 
Maybe it's because part of God's

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plan. 
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come in judgment, it's going to 
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death as part of the 
justification for why the temple

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is destroyed. 
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be the case God wants it so that
they're presented. 

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With Jesus first and that they 
crucify him, so that when the 

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temple is destroyed at all, 
makes more sense. 

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So Jesus, you teaches that the 
Messiah will come in glory, but 

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he still has to suffer and be 
rejected before. 

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He can come in Victory. 
That's the teaching Jesus has 

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more to say about this. 
Eschatological discourse will 

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look at this in the coming 
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So it's a fascinating passage, 
isn't it? 

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You might have disagreed with 
some of the things you've heard 

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and if you have love to hear 
from you, if you have Questions 

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about the interpretation that's 
been offered here. 

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Feel free to send a question 
through two logical Bible, study

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might get played on the podcast 
to all of the information for 

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that is in the show notes. 
There's no catechism passages 

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for us to look at today. 
So, we'll finish it there and 

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I'll encourage you to definitely
tune in again, tomorrow, as we 

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continue this Escalade, 
eschatological discourse. 

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Jesus actually gets quite 
specific about things that are 

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going to happen in the days of 
the son of Man. 

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Please continue to keep this 
ministry in your prayers. 

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