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Hi everyone, welcome to this 
bonus episode of Daily Gospel 

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Exegesis. 
This is going to be a question 

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and answer episode where I'll do
my best to answer some of the 

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listener questions that have 
come in recently. 

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We try and do these Q&A episodes
every now and then. 

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And thank you so much to those 
who are writing into the 

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ministry with your questions and
comments. 

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Often this is the best way for 
us to learn about the Bible and 

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theology is by engaging specific
questions. 

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So let's start with a question 
from Carol who emailed in. 

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My relative who is a believer 
says that we should only use the

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term brothers and sisters for 
those who are believers, not non

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believers. 
Can you give more clarification 

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on this? 
So this is an interesting idea. 

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Who do we have the right to call
brothers and sisters? 

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It does depend on how you use 
the term, and it's probably, you

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know, the meaning of the term 
brother and sister is different 

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in different cultures and in 
different time periods. 

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Biblically speaking, roughly 
that is accurate. 

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We should refer particularly to 
other Christians as our brothers

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and sisters. 
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people are brothers in terms of 
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kind of view, but that's not 
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The biblical view is we have a 
preferential treatment for those

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who are in the family of God and
who is in the family of God. 

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In Catholic theology, when you 
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an adopted member of God's 
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Christians, brothers and sisters
of each other. 

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And that is the way the church 
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documents have used the term 
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people are our brothers and 
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So it's probably one of those 
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ways. 
But in a specific denotative 

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sense, if we want to be 
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should really be reserved for 
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So I hope that helps you give 
get a bit of insight on that 

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particular question. 
Thank you for writing in Carol. 

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The next question is another 
really good one from Harrison. 

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You often speak about God's will
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In your opinion, what does God's
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other sources like the 
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Thanks. 
I love the show from Harrison. 

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Thanks for writing in Harrison. 
This is a really good question. 

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I do mention this idea of 
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particularly in reference to the
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the terms, it's one of the key 
terms that Jesus himself uses in

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the Gospel where he says you 
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Father if you want to enter the 
Kingdom of God. 

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He says that in quite a few of 
the parables and remember it's, 

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he goes on to say not everyone 
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enter the Kingdom of heaven, but
those who do the will of the 

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Father. 
So what is the will of the 

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Father in the context of the 
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The will of the Father is 
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love commandments, love God and 
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That is how Jesus summarizes the
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Now that's not the only way to 
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That's how Jesus summarizes it. 
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of Matthew, he keeps coming back
to that to say that is how 

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you'll be judged based on 
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commandments. 
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he has a really simple way of 
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He says this is the will of God,
your sanctification. 

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That's in First Thessalonians 
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So that's also a good way of 
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It's for us to be sanctified. 
It's a big question. 

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I don't think the Catechism 
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specifically because the 
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another way of rephrasing what's
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And God wants lots of things. 
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wants us to follow the 
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Kingdom to be spread on earth. 
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expressing that, but I hope that
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into the basics of how it's used
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Next question is from Chris, 
who's a fellow Australian. 

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He says, firstly, thanks so much
for this ministry. 

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I first found it on Hello and it
has helped me a lot in 

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understanding scripture. 
It is so well researched. 

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I have a question about one of 
the podcasts you mentioned that 

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Samaritans are basically Jews 
who had interbred but but in 

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Second Kings 24 to 28 it talks 
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were all exiled, Assyrians are 
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but then an Israeli priest was 
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worship the Lord. 
So the Samaritans in Jesus time 

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were not Jews even if they had 
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Is that correct? 
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basically write the history of 
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complex, but basically that's 
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After the Jews were forced to 
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Assyrians then settled the 
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other cultures and races also 
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Eventually the Jews were allowed
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and they interbred with the 
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gentiles in there. 
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there was sort of a hybrid 
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result. 
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they believed in the Torah, but 
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other Old Testament writings. 
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Samaritan Canon and they had 
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traditions as well. 
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or Judea eventually came to see 
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because they were essentially in
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And also because they didn't 
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Judean teachings, for example, 
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to worship. 
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they had their own main place of
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So because the Samaritans sort 
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traditions compared to the 
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were considered to be never 
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accept many of the basic Jewish 
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own ones that put them outside 
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It's it's not a perfect analogy,
but it's a little bit like the 

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relationship between Mormons and
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Mormons have a lot in common 
with Christians, and on face 

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value they can seem to be 
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specific teachings and 
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standard Orthodox Christianity. 
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a cult if you want to use that 
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using that language is an 
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So yes, they had the Torah. 
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they're not fool Jews, and they 
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theologically, some theological 
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different that seems to put them
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Orthodoxy. 
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question. 
Some good study Bibles can go 

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into more of the geographical 
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well. 
We have a couple of questions 

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here from Mary, who is a Patreon
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Mary, thank you so much for your
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She says I need your 
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the crucified thief that today 
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However, Christ remained in the 
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ascend for some time after. 
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This is something that we have 
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that passage in Luke, when Jesus
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good thief, today you'll be with
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Mary's right. 
If you think about it, Jesus 

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didn't really go to heaven when 
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He actually went to heaven a 
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ascension, which is 40 days 
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So how can Jesus say today 
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Now the actual term there is 
paradise and there's a lot of 

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discussion amongst scholars 
about what exactly does paradise

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refer to. 1 interpretation would
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the abode of the dead. 
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die, they go to the abode of the
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to a place called paradise. 
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Abraham's bosom. 
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the good thief upon their deaths
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to this temporary place called 
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souls, the souls of the 
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That seems to be a reasonable 
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However, if you think about it, 
when Jesus says today you'll be 

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with me in paradise, there's no 
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original. 
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as today, comma, you will be 
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be I tell you today you'll be 
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Both of those are legitimate 
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If you interpret it the second 
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about this is Jesus is not 
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today he will see him in the 
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paradise. 
He's not saying that, he is 

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saying I'm telling you for 
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paradise, which could mean one 
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and new earth depending on the 
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word paradise. 
I hope that gives you a couple 

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of solutions to work with there.
She also asks, do you suppose 

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that Jesus 12 apostles were men 
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were considered unclean and 
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altar since there is so much 
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and she goes on from there. 
There's an interesting question.

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Is this one of the reasons why 
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be priests? 
The Catholic Church has had a 

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few documents where it actually 
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why women can't be priests. 
That particular 1 isn't used. 

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That particular reason that 
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not one of the reasons it's 
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Christian age, ritual 
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And maybe that factors in into 
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Jewish women could not serve as 
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likely to be ritually unclean. 
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prescriptions for men who are 
priests that if they become 

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ritually unclean due to body 
fluids, they had to wash 

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themselves. 
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answer for perhaps one of the 
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be Jewish priests. 
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Jesus and the apostles were not 
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laws as they come, as they came 
to understand what God's 

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requirements are for holiness. 
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these in the Gospels, and it's 
revealed particularly to Peter 

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in the vision of the great sheet
coming down where God basically 

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says there's no distinction 
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animals. 
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an understanding that God in the
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particularly concerned with 
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So that doesn't seem to be one 
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were excluded from being 
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I hope that answers your 
question, and it's a really good

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one. 
It's a really good one to 

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interrogate. 
I would encourage you to read 

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some of the more recent 
documents about this from the 

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church such as Inter Insignioris
which is a document from the 

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Congregation for the Doctrine of
the Faith which goes into quite 

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a bit of detail about why 
priestly ordination is reserved 

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to men in the Catholic Church. 
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also had a follow up very short 
document called Ordinacio 

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Saccadotalis where he goes into 
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She also asks about the tears of
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Rs. 
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that. 
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terms of for humans, are humans 
on different tiers when once 

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they reach heaven? 
This is an interesting question.

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Jesus does seem to hint at the 
fact that people will have 

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different rewards in heaven 
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earth, and Catholic theology has
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the way we use grace in this 
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proportionate to our reward in 
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There's no definitive Church 
teaching as far as I'm aware, in

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terms of how the levels in 
heaven work or whether we should

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even conceive of them as levels.
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tradition about the choirs of 
angels, which is like the levels

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or hierarchy of angels. 
That's based on some scripture 

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references which talk about 
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angels and archangels, and the 
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angels. 
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tradition that has never been 
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but it is a commonly held belief
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Catholic theology websites as a 
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Next, we'll look at a question 
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At the start, my wife and I are 
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some questions are coming up. 
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similar to that. 
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to keep going, keep asking 
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find that most of your questions
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back to Catholicism. 
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I listen to your Daily Show. 
Fantastic work. 

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I have deepened my understanding
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able to share so much because of
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Recently my wife was at a Bible 
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sin and salvation came out came 
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I'm having a hard time 
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say with certainty that anyone 
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Correct me if that's wrong. 
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The Church doesn't define with 
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And many of you would know the 
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they're in hell. 
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that he goes on. 
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in a state of mortal sin, you 
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means you're going to hell. 
How can these teachings be 

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don't repent of it, then it 
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going to hell, all things 
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Now, the way to resolve this is 
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has committed a mortal sin. 
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for a mortal sin, which is grave
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consent. 
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that a particular action 
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that would make it grave matter.
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that if we dig into it a bit. 
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consent is a subjective 
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between the person and God. 
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full consent. 
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the Catechism, so I do want to 
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the Catechism, but I hope this 
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someone dies in a state of 
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to hell. 
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someone has genuinely died in a 
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And this is where distinctions 
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Thanks so much for writing in 
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we've got a question here from 
Richard and this is another 

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really good question. 
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you doing the rest of the Bible 
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It's part of the long term plan 
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exegesis of all of the Bible if 
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particular books of the New 
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projects like that possible. 
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we can keep doing this approach 
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But all going well, I'd love to 
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of Scripture. 
Work has started for that on the

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book of Acts. 
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some more information about that
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gets ready to be published. 
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I'm, I was wondering if you 
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I have a Protestant friend who 
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genuinely curious or more in a 
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And indeed, it's good that you 
raise that because you're right.

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Some people that constantly give
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perspective might be trying to 
trap you, or they might 

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genuinely want to know what a 
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I'll read this out from the 
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lectionary translation. 
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solemnly, unless a man is born 
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Kingdom of God. 
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Protestant perspective, born 
from above, By the way, that can

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also be translated born again, 
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words, it's just differences in 
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Protestants see born again as an
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you emotionally or spiritually 
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that is perhaps the the time you
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They would say you're a born 
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that. 
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Catholics understand that 
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experience God's divine life. 
So it's fair to ask, what's a 

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Catholic perspective on born 
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Now, we do go through this in 
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Monday of Week 2 of Easter Tide,
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recently. 
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you go through the rest of that 
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another way of thinking about 
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of water and the Spirit. 
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asking the question is what do 
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being born of water and the 
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that is one event, being born of
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of the Spirit at baptism. 
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again. 
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some ways that we can support 
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One of the key things is the 
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after this conversation, 
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talking to Nicodemus, is Jesus 
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baptize people. 
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verse 22. 
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water is used as a metaphor for 
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So in John's understanding, our 
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supernatural life and there's 
various other points we make in 

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that episode to support our 
understanding that born of water

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and the Spirit really does refer
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So I'd encourage you to look at 
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2 of Easter tide. 
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you, Richard. 
We'll make this the last 

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question for today from Louisa. 
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interesting question about 
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She, she says, before I get into
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thank you for this podcast 
because it has helped to 

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understand God, Jesus, his life 
and his disciples better. 

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So 1000 times, thank you and I 
hope God gives you many 

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blessings and continues 
showering with the knowledge of 

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his word. 
Thank you for that wonderful 

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feedback Louisa. 
I'm so glad you're benefiting 

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from the podcast, she says. 
I just finished listening to one

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of your exegesis episodes. 
Can you please further explain 

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what you meant by God gives of 
himself to redeem his people 

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from slavery? 
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episode for Mark chapter 10 
verses 35 to 45, which is where 

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it says the Son of man gave 
himself as a or has come to give

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himself as a ransom for many. 
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about different ways of 
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What does it mean to say Jesus 
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So she has some good questions 
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mean when we say God gives of 
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people? 
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God in terms of parts. 
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But we do want to say that there
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poured himself out through 
Jesus, poured himself out 

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through his death of the cross. 
There was a genuine sacrifice on

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the part of God to free us from 
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wonder if that has implications 
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then, meaning he also added to 
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to earth the ransom for the 
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So she's now sort of wondering 
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when God came in human flesh in 
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previous acts of salvation that 
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like God rescuing his people 
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sense paid for or experienced by
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She says, I mean, Jesus came to 
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future. 
I think there is a sense in 

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which we can say yes, through 
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the cross. 
There is a sense in which that 

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grace made possible some of the 
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Testament. 
But we need to be careful there 

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because God the Father certainly
did acts in the Old Testament 

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which may not be connected 
specifically to Jesus ultimate 

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definitive new covenant act, but
perhaps they are in some 

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mysterious spiritual way. 
Remember our Catholic teaching 

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is Mary was free from sin, she 
was redeemed from contracting 

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any sin because of Jesus death 
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But Jesus death on the cross was
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perspective of Mary's 
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So it is actually part of 
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a retroactive sense of grace. 
What Jesus merited on the cross 

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can be applied backwards in 
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It certainly was applied 
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So your speculation here is 
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Maybe what Jesus did on the 
cross is in some way involved in

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all of God's acts of liberation 
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And then it gets to the heart of
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both times the ransom paid to 
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So she's wondering, is the 
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is it paid to Satan? 
This is an area of debate, and 

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we did go into that in that 
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Some people have a real problem 
with saying that Jesus paid a 

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debt to Satan. 
I do think that makes the most 

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sense of the text, but we're 
not. 

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We shouldn't think of it as 
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something like that, but there 
is a sense in which a certain 

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act was needed to free people 
from the dominion of Satan and 

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bring them into the Kingdom of 
God. 

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But of course, it's not the only
way to understand that. 

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The Church Fathers, some of them
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little different. 
Some of them did think about it 

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in terms of being a ransom to 
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There is room for disagreement 
on this question and it's not an

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area that has been particularly 
developed in Catholic teaching, 

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but we do believe that through 
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a real ransom to free people 
from sin. 

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That may not be a fully 
satisfying answer, but I hope 

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that starts to give you some 
things or some clarifications at

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least to help you work through 
the issue. 

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Thank you so much, Louisa, for 
the question and thank you to 

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all those who are writing in 
questions. 

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Please keep sending them in. 
I try and do these Q&A episodes 

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occasionally. 
Thank you so much to those of 

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you who are supporting the 
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Please keep telling people about
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