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questions as well? 
Today we're looking at John 

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chapter 10 verses 1 to 10. 
Jesus said, I tell you, most, 

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solemnly, anyone who does not 
enter the Sheepfold through the 

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gate, but getting some other 
way, is a thief and a brigand, 

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the one who enters through the 
gate is The Shepherd of the 

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flock. 
The gatekeeper lets him in the 

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sheep, hear his voice one by 
one. 

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He calls his own sheep and leads
them out. 

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When he has brought out his 
flock, he goes ahead of them and

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the Sheep follow because they 
know his voice. 

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They never follow a stranger but
run away from him, they do not 

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recognize the voice of 
strangers. 

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Jesus told them this Parable but
they failed to understand what 

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he meant by telling it to them. 
So Jesus spoke to them. 

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Again, I tell you, most 
solemnly, I am the Gate of the 

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Sheepfold, all others who have 
come are thieves and brigands 

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but the Sheep took no notice of 
them. 

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I am the gate. 
Anyone who enters through me 

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will be safe. 
He will go freely in and out and

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be sure of finding pasture. 
The thief comes only to steal 

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and kill and destroy. 
I have come so that they may 

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have life and have it to the 
full. 

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So the context of this passage 
is quite important, so in John 

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chapter 9, Jesus has healed, the
man born blind. 

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And if, you know, the story 
after Jesus heals him, there's a

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big confrontation between the 
man and the Pharisees and that's

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recorded in John chapter 9 
that's red on the fourth Sunday 

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of Lent. 
So you can go back and have a 

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listen to the podcast for that 
one. 

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The context turns out to be 
really important. 

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What Jesus is about to say is 
the continuation of similar 

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themes from John chapter 9, 
about religious authorities and 

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their disciples. 
He's going to in this reading 

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for today, he's going to use the
metaphor of sheep and Shepherds,

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which is a very common theme in 
the Old Testament. 

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If you read through the Old 
Testament, particularly the 

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prophets, and the Psalms often 
God is depicted as the shepherd 

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and Israel, his faithful people 
are his sheep. 

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But then it's also used another 
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God's appointed leaders the 
Shepherds and the people of the 

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sheep. 
So there's one particular 

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reference, which Jesus probably 
has in mind when he gives them 

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this little Parable. 
So Ezekiel chapter 34 Verse 2 to

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10. 
God says this, I will put a stop

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to their shepherding, my flock, 
so that these Shepherds will no 

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longer pass through them. 
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people who are leading Israel at
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At time, he says, I'm no longer 
going to let those people 

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Shepherd over you and Jesus in 
John chapter 9 before, this has 

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been talking about the Jewish 
leadership. 

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And here in John chapter 10, his
continuing that same 

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conversation, he's talking to 
the Jewish leadership, not his 

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disciples, let's keep that in 
mind. 

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This particular passage as will 
see links a lot to other things 

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in the Gospel of John and also 
the Old Testament a lot. 

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So this one I tell you most 
solemnly. 

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So Jesus is about to say 
something that he wants his 

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audience to take note of and 
he's going to use an 

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agricultural metaphor that they 
would have been quite familiar 

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with heat right whenever Jesus 
does a parable. 

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He tries to include elements 
from their real life at that 

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time in first-century, Israel. 
This is one of the few parables 

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in the Gospel of John, there 
aren't many, but there are a 

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couple and the purpose of them 
is to try and teach the people 

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about Jesus own identity. 
Luckily Jesus interprets most of

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the parable for us. 
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parable, but most of it, he says
this anyone who does not enter 

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the Sheepfold through the gate 
So let's talk about what that 

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meant in that context. 
So in that time, period sheep 

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were kept in a Sheepfold, it's 
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was either out in the 
countryside or it could be 

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attached to houses. 
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were designed to protect the 
flocks of sheep at night from 

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thieves and predators. 
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enter the Sheepfold through the 
gate but gets in some other way,

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is a thief and a brigand So 
sheep were valuable and thieves 

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would it was pretty common? 
That robbers would try and steal

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the sheep in order to exploit 
them for their own personal 

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benefit. 
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there's usually a gatekeeper 
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There's only one way into the 
pan and that's through the gate.

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There's usually a gatekeeper 
there and the gatekeeper is only

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going to let the Shepherd in his
only going to let in people that

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he recognizes. 
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he's not going to need to find 
another way in. 

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And usually, that meant climbing
a wall verse to the one who 

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enters through the gate, is The 
Shepherd of the flock, the 

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gatekeeper lets him in. 
So, the one person who comes and

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goes through, the gate is the 
shepherd, verse 3, the sheep 

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hear his voice Now, in that 
culture sheep typically, they 

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would only respond to the voice 
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The one that they had gotten 
used to following instructions 

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from. 
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the shepherd. 
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You don't want to try and jump 
to a spiritual application just 

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yet you want to just think about
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always do with Parables. 
Think about what it means, just 

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in terms of the setting, the 
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How would the original readers? 
What would they have had in mind

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as they hear this parable? 
One by one. 

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He calls his own sheep and leads
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So when it was time for the 
Sheep to move to a different 

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pasture, the shepherd would make
sure that every single sheep is 

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looked after he calls each one 
by name and he looks after them 

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on the journey, he makes sure 
that they get to their 

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destination because in his eyes,
all of his sheep are valuable. 

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And you can probably start to 
imagine the connection here with

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the gospel verse 4, when he is 
brought out his flock, he goes 

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ahead of them. 
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his sheep from one place to 
another, he would protect them 

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by walking in front of them and 
he's looking ahead to try and 

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find them better pastures, he 
goes before them. 

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The words here, the used for 
walk ahead and follow the 

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particular Greek words that are 
used here. 

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Characterize the relationship of
teachers and disciples. 

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So so it was quite common to see
these Greek words, used to 

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describe the way that teachers 
religious teachers will lead 

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people and their disciples 
followed them. 

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It might be deliberately, Jesus 
might be deliberately 

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contrasting. 
How the Pharisees drove out the 

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man in chapter 9, whereas Jesus 
leads his people. 

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So it's kind of like comparing 
good religious leadership with 

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bad religious leadership. 
That's probably, what's going on

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in the background here. 
The Sheep follow because they 

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know his voice. 
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that Jesus says in the Gospel of
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And so in John, chapter 8, verse
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Jesus says this whoever belongs 
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And then in chapter 18, everyone
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listens to my voice. 
So, this idea of the sheep only 

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listening to the voice of the 
shepherd has clear parallels 

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with what Jesus says about 
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verse 5. 
They never follow a stranger but

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run away from him, they do not 
recognize. 

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Denies the voice of strangers. 
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that culture is that if a 
stranger tried to take on the 

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role of the shepherd and tried 
to lead the flock, the Sheep 

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just wouldn't listen to him, and
they would run away and they 

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would scatter and they would be 
confused. 

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So the Sheep a single-minded in 
their devotion and attentiveness

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to their real Shepherd. 
They can recognize the real 

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Shepherd and their, their have 
their eyes and their ears fixed 

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on him. 
No other Pretender knows them as

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well as the shepherd does. 
Verse 6. 

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So this is the end of that 
little Parable and it says, 

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Jesus told them this Parable now
that's what our translation has 

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it as. 
But the Greek word here is not 

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the word for Parable. 
It's actually a Greek word for 

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figure of speech, but 
essentially we can consider it 

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to be a parable because it 
functions in a similar way to 

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the parables in the synoptic 
gospels. 

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Jesus, told them this Parable, 
but they failed to understand 

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what he meant by telling it to 
them. 

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So Jesus has been speaking. 
This to the Jewish leadership. 

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Hip and his hoped. 
That those the Jewish leadership

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would understand what he was 
saying. 

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But they didn't. 
So Jesus now has to go on and 

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give them the interpretation and
we should be thankful that he 

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does because now we don't have 
to guess what, the 

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interpretation is because Jesus 
gives it to us and it's always 

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important in those places where 
Jesus interprets his own 

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Parable. 
That is the interpretation. 

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We should go with. 
If you ever hear a sermon or a 

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lecture where someone takes a 
completely different 

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interpretation, which completely
ignores what Jesus says about 

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his own parable. 
I don't think that's correct. 

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Now there could be more to it 
than what Jesus says, but we're 

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certainly, we have to start with
Jesus or an interpretation of 

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the parable because he's the one
who gave the parable in the 

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first place. 
Verse 7, I tell you most 

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solemnly. 
So that tells us it's not just a

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side thing. 
He really wants his audience to 

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understand the point that he's 
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Now, before we look at the 
specifics, one thing Jesus 

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doesn't tell us, but he clearly 
means implicitly. 

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He doesn't tell us who the Sheep
are. 

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And I think we need to answer 
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who are the sheep in this 
Parable? 

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Jesus doesn't tell us exactly, 
but it appears to be something 

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like this. 
The Sheep are those who are 

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truly seeking God and are open 
to the movements of his Spirit. 

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That's who the Sheep are. 
So it's not people in general, 

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it's not Jews in general. 
General. 

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It's those who are truly seeking
God and open to the movements of

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his spirit. 
So that's keep that in mind. 

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Jesus says I am the Gate of the 
Sheepfold Or as other 

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translations, put it. 
I am the door of the sheep. 

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Now, Jesus is going to explain 
what he means by that, in a few 

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verses time, but notice this is 
not where Jesus says, I am the 

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Shepherd in today's reading, we 
don't hear Jesus. 

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Say, I am the shepherd, He says 
that in a few verses time, and 

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we'll look at that when we, when
we get to that in a lectionary 

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in another podcast, but in 
today's reading, there is no, I 

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am the shepherd instead, the 
focus is, I am the gate or I am 

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the door. 
This is the third of Jesus 7. 

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I am statements in the Gospel of
John and all of those, I am 

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statements, if you study the 
Gospel of John, have to do with 

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trying to help people understand
his identity. 

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Then verse 8 he says this all 
others who have come now there's

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some controversy about this 
verse other translations have it

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this way. 
All who came before me some 

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ancient manuscripts have before 
me some manuscripts. 

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Don't So the same basic, meaning
appears to be the same though 

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because it's past tense, all 
others who have come. 

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So, Jesus is speaking of those, 
many teachers, and preachers, 

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the religious leaders, who the 
Jews have been exposed to before

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Jesus came along. 
Now, he's probably not thinking 

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of people like Moses and the 
prophets because those were good

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teachers and good leaders. 
So, Jesus here, when he says all

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who came before me, he's 
probably thinking of those in 

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the immediate time period of his
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Jurors. 
So in particular, he's thinking 

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of the Pharisees the Pharisees 
who claim to be good religious 

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leaders but he says about them, 
they are thieves and brigands. 

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So Jesus says that these those 
falsely false leaders that 

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they've been exposed to and 
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tried to lead the Sheep astray 
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God's message. 
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tried to take the Sheep but it 
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Jesus says this, he says the 
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No notice of them, not no one 
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Notice of them certainly some 
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Pharisees and other not good, 
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So those who are listening to 
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prophets were not from God verse
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enters through me? 
We'll be safe. 

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So, this is the meaning of I am.
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The word here is not safe, it's 
actually saved anyone who enters

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through me will be saved. 
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Jesus is teaching here. 
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Jesus instructions will receive 
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That's the that's the basic 
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follow Jesus receive eternal 
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He will go in Freely in and out 
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Jesus instructions can live his 
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Jesus will guide and protect 
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That also is going to lead into 
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Shepherd and that's in verse 11 
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But notice what he says he's 
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He will go freely in and out and
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So the pastor here is probably 
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Those who go in via the gate, 
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eternal life. 
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himself in a Ezekiel 34. 
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the people God says this in 
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I will pass through them. 
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Jesus basically says that he is 
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going to be the Gate of the 
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Notice the implication, he who 
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Sorry anyone who enters through 
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saved, and that probably implies
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Jesus are not saved, and that 
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teaching at needs to be 
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but that's the basic idea and 
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in chapter 14 of John. 
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No one comes to the father, 
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Christians The Jesus is the only
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what Jesus says about himself. 
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says, The thief comes only to 
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I have come so that they may 
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full. 
So the thief comes only to steal

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and kill and destroy. 
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of sheep, they don't care about 
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They just they want the sheep 
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them or kill them or use it for 
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What's the reference here? 
Who's the thief in the parable 

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in, there's different ways of 
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certainly been referring to the 
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kingdom of God, and he doesn't 
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religious leaders who don't 
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their welfare. 
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them. 
There's a question about because

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in a few verses time Jesus is 
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the story, a wolf who tries to 
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thief, and the Wolf are the same
but that's debated as well. 

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I have come so that they may 
have life and have it to the 

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full. 
So that's complete contrast to 

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the thief. 
The thief comes to kill and 

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destroy. 
Jesus has come so that the Sheep

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may have life and have it to the
full. 

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So the idea here is just as for 
sheep going through the Sheep 

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gate, that makes sure that they 
always have access to good, 

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green pasture. 
Jesus has come so that the 

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Sheep, his people, those who are
listening to God, have access to

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eternal life, and he uses the 
phrase, have it to the full, 

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which carries this idea of 
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even into this life. 
Now the same Greek words are 

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used in the most famous verse in
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John 3:16 God. 
So loved the world that he gave 

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his only son. 
So that everyone who believes in

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him, might not perish, but have 
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So the Greek words, therefore, 
parish and life are in fact, the

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same Greek words that Jesus uses
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The thief comes to destroy and 
to make things Parish. 

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Whereas Jesus comes to give 
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So, if we were to summarize, 
that's not the end of the 

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parable, Jesus goes on. 
But that's the end of the 

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lectionary readings, for today. 
This is what Jesus has said. 

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So far. 
When the disciple, here's the 

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shepherd's voice, the disciple 
responds with attentiveness and 

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obedience, this response arises 
from the personal commitment and

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relationship to Jesus who first 
new and called each one of the 

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sheep. 
Jesus calls his disciples to 

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follow him, to the Goodpasture 
of eternal life, which he shares

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with the father, and the 
highwomen, Holy Spirit. 

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Now, one thing that the 
Powerball doesn't identify and 

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you think it probably would have
by now, it doesn't actually tell

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us what the gatekeeper 
represents, we know what the 

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gate represents and we know what
the Sheep represents, but we 

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don't know what the gatekeeper 
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Remember that the shepherd could
only come through after given 

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approval by the gatekeeper. 
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who's the gatekeeper, now in all
likelihood, we shouldn't over 

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read this, it probably means 
because Jesus hasn't given us. 

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Some meaning for it, probably 
means it's just a background of 

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the parable and it doesn't refer
to anything in particular. 

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So we shouldn't overanalyze it 
because Jesus hasn't used it as 

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part of his interpretation here.
But if we were to give it an 

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interpretation, we could 
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gatekeeper is the father, so, 
the gatekeeper is the one who 

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gives the shepherd access to the
sheep. 

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And if you read the Gospel of 
John, a common theme, is that 

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the father gives the disciples 
to Jesus. 

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So, perhaps the father is the 
gatekeeper that would Certainly 

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fit, but we don't know whether 
Jesus had that meaning in mind. 

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Now as I said there is more to 
this speech from verse 11 

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onwards. 
Jesus keeps developing this 

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Parable further, he intensifies 
things and he actually add some 

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more elements into the parable 
from verse 11 onwards, he tells 

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us who the shepherd is which he 
hasn't done so far and he also 

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introduces hirelings and wolves.
So there's more characters that 

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come in and he also introduces a
second Sheepfold into the story.

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So the parable gets more 
complicated the second Half of 

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this, Parable can be heard it's 
a different times in the 

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liturgical year. 
So it's heard once on Sundays 

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and that's on the fourth Sunday 
of Easter in here, be and also 

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on weekdays you can hear this 
second half of the parable on 

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the Monday of the fourth week of
Easter in here. 

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A so, once in a year, be on a 
Sunday once in here a on a 

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Monday and you can certainly 
scroll through the past podcast 

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It's to find that if you'd like 
to listen to it. 

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So let's finish by taking a look
at where the catechism includes 

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this passage or interprets. 
This passage for us. 

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There's two short places 
paragraph 75 for takes the 

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Sheepfold to be a symbol 
representing the church and that

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certainly fits so paragraph. 75 
for says, the church is 

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accordingly, a Sheepfold, the 
soul and necessary. 

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Gateway to, which is Christ. 
It is also the flock of which 

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God himself for told that he 
would be the shepherd and whose 

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sheep even though governed by 
human shepherds are unfailingly 

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nourished and led by Christ 
himself, the Good Shepherd and 

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Prince of shepherds who gave his
life for the Sheep. 

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So that paragraph brings 
together, lots of things from 

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John chapter 11, it talks about 
how Jesus is both the shepherd 

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and the gate and the church. 
Considered legitimately as the 

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people of God does sort of fit 
here as a symbol, if we look at 

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it as the Sheepfold paragraph to
158 is a very brief paragraph, 

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and it's talking about how every
Christian is, given a special 

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name by God. 
So that paragraph says God calls

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each one by name. 
Everyone's name is sacred. 

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The name is the icon of the 
person. 

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It demands respect as a sign of 
the Dignity of the one who Bears

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it. 
So that's a nice little 

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paragraph to finish on for 
today. 

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