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Hi everyone. 
Welcome back to the Daily gospel

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exegesis podcast. 
Today, we're looking at quite an

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interesting passage which is 
often used against Catholics and

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the way the Catholic Church 
operates and so it's well worth 

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digging into. 
So as always, we'll start by 

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looking at the passage We're in 
Mark, chapter 7, verses 1 to 13.

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The Pharisees and some of the 
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Jerusalem gathered around Jesus.
And they notice that some of his

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disciples were eating with 
unclean hands that use without 

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washing them for the Pharisees 
and the Jews in general, follow 

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the tradition of the elders and 
never eat without washing their 

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arms as far as the elbow. 
And I'm returning from the 

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marketplace, they never eat 
without first sprinkling 

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themselves. 
There are also many other 

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observances which have been 
handed down to them, concerning 

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the washing of Cups and pots and
bronze dishes. 

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So these Pharisees and scribes 
asked him, why do your disciples

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not respect the tradition of the
elders but eat their food with 

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unclean hands. 
He answered it was of you 

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Hypocrites, that Isaiah. 
So rightly prophesied In this 

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passage of scripture. 
This people honors me only with 

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their lip service while their 
hearts are far from me, the 

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worship they offer. 
Me is worthless the doctrines. 

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They teach are only human 
regulations. 

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You put aside the Commandment of
God to cling to human traditions

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and he also said to them, how 
ingenious Lee, you get round the

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Commandment of God in order to 
preserve your own tradition. 

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For Moses said, do your duty to 
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anyone who curses father or 
mother must be put to death. 

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But you say, if a man says to 
his father or mother, anything I

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have, I might have used to help 
you with core ban that is 

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dedicated to God, then he is 
forbidden from that moment to do

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anything for his father or 
mother. 

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In this way, you may God's word 
null and void for the sake of 

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your tradition which you have 
handed down and you do many 

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other things like this. 
So I think this is one of the 

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passages that is the most 
difficult often for Catholics to

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to talk about because it 
condemns Tradition at least a 

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form of tradition. 
And so it's a passage that I 

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think is misunderstood even by 
Catholics because there's some 

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things going on in the cultural 
background here in terms of Jews

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and the way their tradition 
operated that really needs to be

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unpacked on. 
I think it's well worth that 

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Catholics doing that because 
they'll learn something actually

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about Christian and Catholic. 
Option as well. 

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So, starting at verse 1 here of 
chapter 7 where introduce once 

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again to the Pharisees. 
So the Pharisees remember of 

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the, Jewish leaders of the 
Common, Man, and they taught 

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that the best way to get to God,
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God was by strict observance of 
the Jewish law in the Old 

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Testament. 
Now, it's important to keep this

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in mind because often we can 
make Pharisees sound like all - 

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but in fact I think Their 
motivation is good. 

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If they want people to come to 
God. 

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They believe it's important. 
That people are holy and come to

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God. 
And they believe the best way to

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do that is by following the law,
and that's all very Jewish. 

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And so their job because they 
could read and write, where is 

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the commons you couldn't? 
So they saw their job as helping

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the common do meet the demands 
of God's law and that's in fact,

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a good thing. 
That's a noble thing. 

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But the problem is they, by the 
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developed quite complex systems 
of how to follow the word of God

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that eventually if followed to 
their conclusion would in some 

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way end up denying the word of 
God that they're supposed to 

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protect and that was the problem
and that was the problem Jesus 

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had with them. 
Not that they made up laws as 

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we'll see. 
That's not Jesus actually says 

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that. 
That's okay, that's a good thing

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but it was just the way that 
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That by the time of Jesus, Their
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important than the laws of the 
Old Testament themself and that 

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was the problem. 
And we also have here, some of 

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the scribes and subscribes a 
expert copyists and Scholars of 

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the Jewish law. 
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read or write. 
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told you, something, you would 
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couldn't read the Old Testament 
for yourself, and these guys 

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have come from Jerusalem so that
absolute experts. 

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This is a party of expert use. 
That's been sent from Jerusalem 

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up to Galilee to investigate the
rumors about this guy, Jesus. 

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And so they come and they see 
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Now, notice, it doesn't say the 
Apostle, so this could be any of

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Jesus disciples and notice. 
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that some, you know, the rest of
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but some of his disciples eating
with unclean hands that probably

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implies some of them aren't So, 
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Mark says that the Pharisees 
accused them of eating with 

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unclean hands without washing 
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Now, as we just said, some of 
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them aren't which implies that 
there's different views even 

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among Jesus disciples about 
whether this law has to be 

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followed. 
Now, Mark goes on to tell us 

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what exactly this law means. 
What do you mean they're eating 

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with unclean hands? 
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were Gentiles like us and so 
they don't know these Jewish So 

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Mark thankfully goes out of his 
way to explain what these 

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Customs are. 
And some Scholars, think the 

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fact that the Pharisees have a 
problem, although their bring up

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this eating issue, might have a 
connection to something that had

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happened. 
Just a few verses before, which 

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is the feeding of the 5000. 
If you think about what happened

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in the feeding of the five 
thousand, probably a lot of the 

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people their age with unclean 
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And so maybe the people in 
Jerusalem heard about that and 

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they've said why are Jesus 
followers any with unclean 

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hands? 
And they've sent a party down to

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check it out. 
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There could be a connection 
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Verse 3 says, for the Pharisees 
and the Jews in general, this is

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Mark talking. 
So Mark tells us the custom his 

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about to describe was followed 
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They follow the tradition of the
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Now, we need to unpack this 
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elders because it's not what a 
lot of people think it is. 

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So the tradition of the elders 
was wasn't just a word of mouth,

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kind of thing that they had made
up over time. 

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That's not what the tradition of
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So the tradition of the elders 
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the Jews and it's a body of 
authoritative, teaching that is 

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handed down between the 
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It's a legitimate teaching 
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So this tradition of the elders,
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authorities that God had in 
effect commanded and that all 

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Jews were required to follow. 
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authoritative position, which 
we'll talk about in a minute, 

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when they commanded something, 
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teaching and it was binding on 
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So, again, this isn't something 
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themself, this appears to be an 
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teachings. 
So, where does this come from 

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the tradition of the elders? 
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remember that some of the things
that happens to Moses, you know,

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it's God's word directly. 
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word is, but someone a bit later
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People would come to Moses with 
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legal questions, and Moses would
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while and then bring a judgment.
So you'll see that like later in

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the book of numbers, for 
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considered to be an 
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Whatever he said, was binding on
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necessarily infallible or 
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It's just that he had legitimate
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So, whatever he said, this is 
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that Authority came to be known 
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After Moses died, he actually 
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laying on his hands. 
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Joshua and Joshua were then had 
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seat of Moses. 
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sea to Moses through the Jewish 
centuries was passed on to the 

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prophets and to the priests. 
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the legitimate teaching 
Authority, had eventually been 

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passed on to the Pharisees. 
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Pharisees had as a collective 
group, they had the authority of

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Moses, which means that whatever
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Jews. 
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they could be wrong. 
It's just that the Jews had to 

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accept and respect. 
Whatever they said, they had to 

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respect this. 
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We don't often hear this side of
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We think the Ferris is just kind
of you were a group that varies 

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up and just made some things up.
But in fact, it appears that in 

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a sense, they had inherited the 
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So where do we get this from a 
key verse which isn't talked 

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about enough. 
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this is Jesus, talking. 
This is what Jesus says, the 

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scribes and the Pharisees sit on
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So practice and observe 
everything they tell you, but do

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Do what they do for, they do not
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So that's Jesus. 
Talking that tells us a lot 

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about the Pharisees. 
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the Pharisees sit in Moses is 
seat. 

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So they have legitimate 
Authority and he also tells them

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to observe everything they tell 
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So Jesus actually says, The 
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teaching Authority, do whatever,
they tell you, but then, of 

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course he goes on to say, but 
don't copy them because they do 

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not practice what they preach, 
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Jesus tends to have is that it's
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Unholy is just the Pharisees 
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kind of end up being Unholy. 
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the Pharisees had, we could call
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Was authoritative. 
All Jews must obey the tradition

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of the elders but it was not 
necessarily inspired or 

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protected from error. 
So, we have here, a body of 

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teaching the gets added to each 
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this time, with the 
administrators of it, but it's 

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and it's binding not necessarily
God's direct word not 

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necessarily infallible or 
inspired. 

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But needs to be respected. 
That tells us something about 

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the way God wants the world to 
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He puts religious or Parties in 
authority to be respected and 

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followed even if they're not 
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We need to keep that in mind. 
Now there's one other aspect of 

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this that we need to say before 
we continue which is what's the 

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relationship between this 
legitimate Jewish Authority and 

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the Old Testament probably the 
way we should look at it is this

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the laws of the Torah of the Old
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Particularly the first five 
books of the Old Testament, the 

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Torah were more authoritative 
than genuine Jewish tradition. 

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So the Jewish tradition did have
an authority, and the Pharisees 

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did have a legitimate teaching 
Authority, but the laws of the 

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Torah were of a higher 
authority. 

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So at the time of the Pharisees,
this is probably what God 

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intended, Health God, intended 
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Is that the Pharisees should 
guard and interpret the laws of 

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the Old Testament as best as 
they can with their god-given 

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Authority? 
But if there's a situation where

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the teaching authority of the 
Jews, contradicts the original 

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teachings of the Torah, then the
law of the Torah, must take 

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precedence. 
And in that case, the Jewish 

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tradition for that matter would 
not be binding, because it 

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contradicts the very word of God
in the Torah. 

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Remember the word of God in 
Torah is inspired its inerrant. 

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The Jewish tradition that was 
handed down was not that In all 

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other cases though, if there's 
no contradiction between a 

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Jewish authoritative teaching 
and the word of God in the Old 

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Testament, then that law in the 
Jewish teaching, would be 

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binding. 
So we need to keep that in mind.

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The people did need to follow 
the laws of the Pharisees as 

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long as they didn't contradict 
the Old Testament. 

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Now, if that's the kind of 
tradition we're talking about 

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then, It could, it sounds like 
this custom of washing hands 

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before a meal, which is the 
problem in view is legitimate 

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teaching Authority, which the 
Jews were expected to follow. 

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It doesn't appear to contradict 
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Testament. 
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about washing hands? 
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was two laws about it that we're
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expected all juice to follow. 
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washing their arms as far as the
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it's really clean. 
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to eat without first sprinkling 
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So when they came back from the 
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away, any impurities that they 
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from the marketplace. 
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sprinkling when you get back on 
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be translate this baptized. 
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their own version of baptism 
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Baptist So it's kind of like a 
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Both of those with the 
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have to do with ritual Purity, 
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the Old Testament. 
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numbers, it mentions, these 
hand-washing rituals for 

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priests. 
It doesn't say that it should be

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extended to the general 
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but by the time of Jesus, the 
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developed, and by the time of 
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follow those. 
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not doing which they probably 
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binding Jewish teaching. 
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And Mark, now tells us, there 
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which have been handed down to 
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Concerning the washing of Cups 
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So we also learned there's 
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wash dishes as well as hands. 
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comment to give an indication of
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Like, at the time, Verse 5 so 
the ferris is now questioned 

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Jesus about it. 
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not respect the tradition of the
elders or another translation is

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walk according to the tradition 
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unclean hands. 
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here as Jesus often does, he 
doesn't actually answer their 

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question. 
He doesn't answer the question 

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of why their disciples don't 
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It could well, be, we need to 
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could well be that his disciples
probably should have been 

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following this law because it is
a binding, Jewish tradition, but

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Jesus doesn't tell us one way or
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He doesn't address, whether it's
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It's probably is authoritative, 
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mistaken, as will learn in 
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Jesus adds on some more 
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the washing of hands. 
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question what he does is he 
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something much more fundamental 
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And in this case, it's that 
they're more concerned with 

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their systems and their 
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fulfilling the will of God. 
So, let's keep moving in. 

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Verse 6, Jesus says to them it 
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Now, hypocrites is a word that's
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It means stage actors so it's 
people who are faking it in some

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way and this is the main 
criticism Jesus has of the 

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Pharisees, all through the 
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So, Let's be careful here. 
Jesus doesn't have a problem 

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with the Pharisees per se in 
terms of them being a religious 

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Authority. 
He says, they have legitimate 

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Authority, but here's the issue,
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It's they preach the need for 
external righteousness, but they

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themselves don't actually have 
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So, the Pharisees get so caught 
up in the specifics that they 

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constantly end up missing. 
God's fundamental requirements. 

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A key passage for this is 23 
verse 23. 

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And this is a passage, which 
needs to be talked about more. 

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If we unpacked this passage 
more, we would understand how 

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the law is supposed to work a 
little more. 

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So that passage says, and this 
is Jesus talking woe to you 

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scribes and Pharisees you 
Hypocrites. 

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You pay tithes of mint, dill and
cumin, but you have disregarded,

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the weightier matters of the 
law, Justice, mercy and 

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faithfulness, you should have 
practiced the latter without 

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neglecting the former. 
So I think that's such an 

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important passage. 
Jesus says, you should be 

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practicing these little external
requirements, but you should not

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have neglected, the more 
important aspects of the law, 

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which are Justice mercy and 
faithfulness, God desires, that 

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we fulfilled those first. 
There, the weightier matters of 

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the law and then the external 
requirements. 

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Notice Jesus doesn't say, you 
shouldn't have done the external

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requirements. 
He says, you should do the 

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external requirements along with
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That Where the Pharisees went 
wrong, they did the external but

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not the internal. 
We always want to keep that in 

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mind about the Pharisees. 
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today about tradition and 
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But that's what exegesis is all 
about, trying to understand how 

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the original hearers would have 
understood, what Mark was 

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saying. 
And so Jesus says it was all of 

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you Hypocrites. 
That Isaiah. 

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So rightly prophesied. 
So Jesus tells us that this 

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particular prophecy that he's 
about to quote has been 

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fulfilled now in their hearing 
in the time of the Pharisees, 

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which is actually pretty 
remarkable. 

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And this is what he quotes from 
Isaiah. 

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This people honors me only with 
lip service while their hearts 

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are far from me. 
The worship they offer, me is 

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worthless the doctrines. 
They teach are only human 

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regulations and that's from 
Isaiah 29, which in context, 

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it's written in about 700, BC 
Isaiah is talking about the 

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Jewish leaders at the time who 
are corrupt and and the Jewish 

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leaders at the time of Isaiah 
were doing externals, they were 

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offering sacrifices that were 
fulfilling all of the laws, but 

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they did not have hearts. 
That truly desire to do, God's 

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will. 
So they were righteous 

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externally, but not internally. 
And for that reason, God saw 

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their worship is meaningless the
Pharisees, in Jesus day were 

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basically the same externally. 
They were all good, but 

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internally, they were far from 
God. 

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That was Jesus criticism of 
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We need to take that warning on 
as well. 

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That probably still applies 
today if we're externally 

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righteous, but not internally, 
we don't practice, love and 

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Justice and all those mercy and 
those internal requirements that

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God wants a verse. 
Then he probably sees our 

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external worshippers 
meaningless, but when the two 

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appeared together the internal 
and the external, that's when 

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true worship happens. 
Verse 8, Jesus goes on, you put 

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aside the Commandments of God 
and hold fast to the traditions 

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of men. 
Now, here's the passage which is

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often used against Catholics. 
So Jesus tells us here that at 

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least some of the Pharisees 
Traditions at the time, were 

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going against the laws of the 
Torah, which means that those 

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ones that were going against the
law of the Torah. 

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We're not binding, they can't 
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So the Pharisees overall then 
and not. 

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Not doing a good job of 
protecting and interpreting 

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God's law correctly. 
Not necessarily the hand-washing

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law though. 
We don't know whether Jesus is 

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talking about the hand-washing 
law here because that could be a

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legitimate Jewish tradition 
because that doesn't appear to 

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contradict anything in the Old 
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Verse 9. 
Jesus goes on, this is a pretty 

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scathing criticism here. 
He says, how ingenious Li you 

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get around the Commandment of 
God in order to preserve your 

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tradition. 
So Jesus, he tells us their 

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motivation. 
Why are they not following the 

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Torah? 
It's because they want to 

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preserve their Jewish 
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So much that it sometimes means 
that they actually go against 

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the Torah whether they realize 
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And some Scholars have said that
what the Pharisees are doing 

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here is they're actually 
deliberately trying to avoid 

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following the Torah. 
They don't like the Torah and 

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they're trying to avoid 
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It's not clear whether that's 
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It could just be that by 
accident, they've ended up 

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nullifying the Torah, but in any
case they are putting their own,

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the Jewish authoritative 
tradition above the tour on its 

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supposed to be the other way 
around. 

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So, Jesus now gives us an 
example, a specific example of 

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how the Pharisees put legitimate
authoritative, Jewish teachings 

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above the Torah, Verse 10 for 
Moses said, do your duty to your

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father and your mother and 
anyone who curses father or 

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mother must be put to death. 
So what Jesus is Discord is two 

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passages from the Torah and one 
of them is the fourth 

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Commandment. 
So, highly binding, highly 

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authoritative teaching, which 
can't be contradicted by 

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anything. 
The Pharisees teach, it's a 

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fundamental importance. 
So, any later Jewish tradition, 

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which ends up contradicting this
law in the tour, AA is not an 

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authentic law. 
It doesn't is not binding on 

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Jews to follow verse 11. 
He is going to give an example 

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here. 
So first, let's talk about the 

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word core, ban-seok or band was 
legitimate Jewish practice, 

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which was part of the authentic 
Jewish tradition where the Jews 

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could vow to dedicate a sum of 
money to the temple for God's 

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service, so that's what Corbin 
is. 

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So, someone who is a Jew, who is
going to do, this would say 

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something like this. 
I have vowed to set aside. 

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This money as Corbin for God's 
service. 

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And as soon as that you said 
that, it was binding, they had 

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to set aside the money for God's
service apparently, some Jews 

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and Jesus time were abusing. 
This core band thing which was 

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member, Corben is legitimate 
thing. 

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But some Jews would doing this 
with their money to avoid 

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looking after their aged 
parents. 

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So they were saying to their 
parents, sorry, Mom and Dad the 

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money. 
I would have used to look after 

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you even though you're old and 
sick. 

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I've actually decided to use 
give that away as core band to 

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the temple. 
So that was how they were sort 

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of going about avoiding looking 
after their parents. 

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And Jesus goes on. 
But you say, if a man says to 

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his father or mother, anything I
have might, that might be used 

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to help. 
You, is Corbin dedicated to God,

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then he is forbidden from that 
moment to do anything for his 

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father or mother. 
So the Pharisees as we learn 

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here were teaching that a person
could indeed make something 

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Corbin which would have 
otherwise been used to help 

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their parents. 
And if a Jew does that then 

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legitimately it is bound and 
they're therefore forbidden for 

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you from using that money to 
help their parents. 

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That's what the Pharisees were 
teaching. 

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In other words, the Pharisees 
here were teaching that the core

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ban law which was a later, 
Jewish tradition, although it is

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authoritative and binding, they 
were saying that that takes 

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precedence over God's law in the
Torah which is not right. 

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That's not how God set up the 
Jewish laws to operate. 

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Why would the Pharisees endorse 
this interpretation? 

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Why would they say the core band
law takes precedence over the 

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fourth Commandment. 
There's two options and you 

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could go with either. 
Firstly, it could be that they 

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don't like the fourth 
Commandment. 

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They don't like the Mosaic 
requirement of respecting 

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parents and they're trying to 
fire find a way around it, or it

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could be that they respected. 
The core band law, so highly 

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that they ended up placing that 
law above the law regarding 

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parents. 
It depends on what you think the

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Pharisees motivation is. 
Are they trying to protect the 

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core band law or are they trying
to avoid the fourth Commandment 

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law? 
I suspect. 

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It's more of the second. 
They're just trying to protect 

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this Corbin law. 
And in that case, then that 

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accidentally contradicting the 
fourth Commandment Without 

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Really realizing the gravity of 
what they're doing. 

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There verse 13. 
Jesus brings his point home in 

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this way. 
You may God's work null and void

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for the sake of your tradition. 
So the Pharisees wanted to obey 

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God's law in the Torah but over 
time as we've said they ended up

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placing the genuine Jewish 
Traditions as a higher authority

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than the Torah and therefore in 
doing so they actually made gods

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God's law in the Torah, avoid 
the Pharisees prided themselves 

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on being the Guardians, and 
protectors and interpreters of 

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the Torah. 
So Jesus coming along saying 

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that they have, in fact, 
emptied, the Torah of its power 

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would be quite a insult to them.
Jesus concludes by saying, and 

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you do many other things like 
this. 

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So apparently there's lots of 
ways with the Pharisees were 

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placing, the Jewish Traditions 
above God's law, such as 

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probably the Sabbath 
interpretations. 

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We've looked at in chapter Two 
and three. 

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Where they saw a specific 
manifestation of the Sabbath as 

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being more important than 
fulfilling, God's original 

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intention for the Sabbath. 
So hopefully, all that 

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background about the Jewish 
tradition. 

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Actually, having binding 
Authority, helps us. 

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See this passage in a different 
light Jesus is not discrediting 

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tradition as a whole, he says, 
the Pharisees actually have a 

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legitimate tradition, legitimate
teaching Authority, that the 

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Jews were required to obey, but 
he says that some of their 

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Traditions have actually ended 
up contradicting the word of God

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in the Torah and therefore those
Jewish Traditions are not to be 

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obeyed. 
That's Jesus problem with the 

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Pharisees here. 
Now, I just want to say 

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something about how tradition 
Works in Catholic teaching. 

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Obviously, this could be 
unpacked a lot more and books 

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and books have been written 
about it, but I think it's worth

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making a comment about it in 
this podcast to. 

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So, in Catholic, teaching 
tradition with a capital T does 

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have a legitimate place and is 
in a sense, a continuation of 

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the authoritative binding 
tradition that the Pharisees had

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at the time. 
So the Catholic tradition is 

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kind of a continuation of that 
sort of but this Differences. 

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So firstly, the Catholic 
tradition is now derived from 

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the seat of Peter rather than 
the seed of Moses. 

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Secondly, it's not man-made 
tradition. 

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In Catholic thinking it's 
actually Guided by the holy 

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spirit. 
So in a sense, capital T 

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tradition is God made not 
man-made thirdly, Catholic 

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tradition, can't logically it. 
Can't contradict God's 

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revelation in the Bible in a 
fundamental way because it's 

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Guided by the Holy Spirit. 
The The same holy spirit that 

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inspired the Bible. 
Whereas, in the time of the 

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Jews, their tradition was not 
Guided by the Holy Spirit, it 

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would appear fourthly. 
The Catholic tradition carries 

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equal authority to God's 
revelation in the Bible, because

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both of them make clearer, the 
deposit of Faith, which was 

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given to the apostles. 
And all of those points are 

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brought out a lot better in the 
catechism and in other 

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theological writings and so 
tradition does have a legitimate

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Place particularly Catholic 
tradition because we believe 

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that in certain conditions, the 
tradition of the church is, in 

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fact, guided and taught by the 
Holy Spirit himself, So it's 

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been a bit of a longer podcast 
today. 

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And so there are a few catechism
passages which make reference to

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this paragraph 581. 
There's a discussion about Jesus

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and the law and this passage 
we've looked at from Mark 7 has 

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a bearing on that because of 
what he says to the Pharisees 

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about their interpretation of 
the law. 

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And there's also a couple of 
short passages about the fourth 

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Commandment and how Jesus 
affirms the requirement to 

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follow the fourth Commandment as
he does here in Mark chapter 7. 

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Evan. so that's the end of the 
podcast today it's gone on for a

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bit longer but I hope you can 
see that doing exegesis is 

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really useful particularly with 
passages like this where a it 

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can be used against Catholics 
and sometimes Catholics, don't 

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know the background enough to 
respond and be, there's actually

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certain phrases that need to be 
unpacked here, which a lot of 

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people don't know about such as 
that the Jews did have a 

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legitimate teaching Authority, 
which was exhibited through the 

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teaching of the Pharisees that 
All Jews had to follow. 

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Hopefully you found this 
interesting. 

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I certainly do. 
And if you think some other 

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people would benefit from 
hearing, this may be some people

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who are often challenged in 
their Catholic faith with verses

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like this one. 
Then please share this podcast 

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with them. 
Thanks for listening.