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Hi everyone. 
Welcome back to logical Bible 

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study. 
Thanks again for tuning in. 

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This is the podcast where we 
take a look at the Gospel 

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reading from today's mass, we 
try to really pull it apart in 

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the sense of doing a verse by 
verse exegesis of the text. 

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We're always faithful to the 
teaching of the magisterium and 

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we're trying to engage with the 
best scholarship to help. 

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Us understand what Jesus meant 
in his original context. 

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We have a longer reading today, 
so we'll get straight into it. 

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Luke chapter 17 verses 26 to 37.
Jesus said to the disciples as 

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it was in Noah's day. 
So we'll also be in the days of 

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the son of man. 
People were eating and drinking 

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marrying wives and husbands. 
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Up to the day, Noah went into 
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destroyed them, all it will. 
The same as it was in Lots day, 

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people were eating and drinking 
buying and selling planting and 

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building. 
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Sodom God, rained fire and 
brimstone from heaven and 

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destroyed them all. 
It will be the same when the day

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comes for the son of man to be 
revealed. 

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When that day comes anyone on 
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possessions in the house must 
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nor must anyone in the fields 
turned back either. 

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Either remember, Lot's wife 
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life will lose it and anyone who
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I tell you on that night, two 
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One will be taken the other 
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Two women will be grinding corn 
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One will be taken the other 
left. the disciples interrupted 

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where Lord, they asked he said, 
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vultures will gather Now, I want
to say up front, this particular

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reading is very difficult in 
many ways Scholars. 

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Both Evangelical, Protestant 
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All have very different opinions
about it. 

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Even within amongst Catholic 
college, scholarship itself. 

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Very Orthodox conservative 
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about how to, how to understand,
Luke 17. 

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There's lots of textual 
difficulties with it. 

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Some of the phrases can be 
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ways. 
It looks like, either Matthew or

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Luke has placed some I'm of the 
phrases in different contexts 

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than when Jesus might have 
originally said them. 

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So, for all these reasons, it's 
not entirely clear. 

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What Jesus means we can really 
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work out what the best one might
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So, I'm going to present my view
when I look at the evidence. 

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What I think the best 
interpretation of most of these 

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verses is, but I should say up 
front, you're free to disagree 

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with this, some of the 
interpretations. 

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I'll offer. 
I'm not 100% confident of 

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there's certainly, Part of this 
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different ways, but we'll do our
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So what's the context? 
Jesus is moving From Galilee to 

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Judea. 
He's getting towards the Final 

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Phase of his ministry and he's 
doing Ministry along the way and

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he's speaking to the crowds now 
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So, in the section just before 
this, he has just begun the 

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first eschatological discourse 
about the end times, or about 

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the end of the age and in that 
section yesterday, his confirmed

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that there would indeed be a day
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Of man, eventually when the 
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manifested clearly, but this 
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Messiah has suffered first, and 
it's well worth listening to 

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yesterday's episode first, 
because that's the first half of

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this speech that sets up today's
reading. 

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So we're looking today to 
passage where Jesus is clearly 

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predicting the future, something
that's in the future from the 

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time. 
He uttered at the question is 

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how far in the future and 
Scholars are divided on it? 

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The big question and the big 
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Jesus, talking about events that
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coming when the temple is 
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war happens as a punishment of 
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here or is Jesus talking about 
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You could argue either way 
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people have gone, either way 
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way. 
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speaking primarily of AD 70. 
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already happened in ad 70 but at
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haven't happened yet. 
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Key reason In this passage Jesus
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that when they see these things 
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They should run for that reason.
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the second coming because if If 
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second coming happens and I do 
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happen that, there's some 
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fulfilled yet. 
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happen one day, but it's sort of
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the second coming when it 
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But here, Jesus tells his 
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whatever day it is that he's 
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Don't trip that, will they? 
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That's what he says you should 
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as quick as possible. 
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talking about Second Coming. 
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You can't outrun the second 
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disciples, what would they have 
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Anyway, if it's his thinking 
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everyone is rewarded. 
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I don't think the second coming 
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sense of this text. 
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Jesus said to the disciples. 
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important, he is speaking to 
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He's speaking to those who 
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And that one day, there will be 
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Messiah will bring about, and he
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Noah's day, and as he's going to
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Noah's day is during Noah's day,
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normal lives. 
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that the flood was coming. 
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them about the flood and says, 
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The flood is coming, but they 
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the flood came and destroyed 
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All they were going about their 
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They did not expect the flood to
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Jesus says, Is so will it also 
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man? 
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describe the days of the son of 
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That's what he was talking about
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verses, 23 24, the days of the 
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When the Messiah will be 
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be judged. 
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comes the day of the son of man,
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Victorious and judges his 
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days of Noah. 
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like the days of Noah? 
I've heard some pretty wild 

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speculations about why Jesus 
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And they try to draw some very 
strange parallels between the 

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time of Noah and the time of 
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And that's why we should not do 
eisegesis, we don't want to read

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into the text, what we wanted to
say, we have to let the text 

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speak on its own terms and here.
Jesus actually tells us what he 

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means. 
He tells us in what sense the 

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days of the son of man will be, 
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He is what he says in the days 
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drinking marrying wives and 
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Right? 
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the ark and the flood came and 
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Watts, Jesus saying, he's saying
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They thinking, always find that 
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they were all destroyed. 
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of man will be similar in that 
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And if we understand this to be 
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ad 70 which is what I think he's
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Make sense. 
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Is that the destruction of 
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And unexpected people won't 
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The Jews will think, God will 
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temple was destroyed, it was 
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though there are warnings of 
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Right up until ad 70. 
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nice parallel with the days of 
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And now, Jesus gives a second 
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It will be the same as it was in
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So this is a second example of, 
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Testament. 
You probably know the story when

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Sodom and Gomorrah and the 
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known for their wickedness, and 
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that's in, Genesis 13. 
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Lots day, people were eating and
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So the image is that people were
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business. 
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Jesus says but the day lot left.
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brimstone from heaven and 
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So that's what happens in 
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destroyed. 
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Scholars point out, there might 
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similarity here, between the 
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and AD 70. 
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and the destruction of the 
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get out of the area, first. 
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or God, wait until Noah and his 
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ark before he sends the flood. 
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is out of the city before he 
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So God only pours out the 
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righteous people are protected, 
that seems to be the case in ad 

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70 as well. 
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of History carefully, Jesus. 
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destruction of the temple, to be
a punishment of God, God does 

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not allow the Romans to invade 
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the Christians have fled out 
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Apparently, by the time, the 
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in ad 70. 
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the city. 
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Has to tell us. 
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discussed this yesterday, 
elsewhere, in the gospels, Jesus

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tells them to be prepared and to
flee when they see the armies 

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coming, Verse 30, it will be the
same when the day comes for the 

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son of man to be revealed. 
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He says, when the son of man is 
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when the Messiah is Vindicated, 
it will be sudden unexpected and

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people will be wiped out as a 
judgment by God. 

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If this sounds a bit strange in 
thinking that God is a god, 

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punished the Jews in ad 70 by 
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If that seems a bit strange to 
you, keep in mind that God often

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uses foreign armies as 
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Think about the Old Testament 
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He uses armies whether Israel or
Israel's enemies as instruments 

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of his own judgment. 
Against those who have been 

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breaking his law over and over 
again, he sends Egypt against 

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Israel and he says, Egypt will 
be an extension of My hand, he 

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says the same Babylon. 
He says, Babylon will be my 

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Messenger to bring judgment and 
sometimes he says the same of 

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Israel in the Book of Joshua. 
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Canaanites, that's the basic 
idea God uses Israel to bring 

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judgment on people. 
So here, he apparently does the 

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same thing in ad, 70 to the 
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He brings the Romans as an 
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against the Jewish people. 
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When that day comes anyone on 
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possessions in the house. 
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literally how it worked, the 
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would socialize, they'd hang out
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house, whereas the actual 
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of living rooms and bedrooms, 
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So Jesus says, when that day 
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anyone on the housetop must not 
come down to collect his 

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possessions. 
Just anyone in the fields turned

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back either, these are 
instructions for Jesus 

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they should do when they realize
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come, they need to run and get 
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As far as possible. 
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elsewhere and we'll look at this
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He specifically gives them 
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is when you see The the day of 
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of there as soon as you can. 
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working in the fields and you 
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form of the Roman armies, that's
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When you see the son of man 
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Messiah in the form of the Roman
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back home. 
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run, get out to the Wilderness. 
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his disciples. 
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wife. 
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disciples is Don't Turn back 
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the Judgment coming, she paid 
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Jesus says, if you turn back or 
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the city, you too will be 
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pretty well. 
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happens to Jerusalem in 70 AD. 
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judgment on the Jewish people. 
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who tries to preserve his life 
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And anyone who loses it will 
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whoever seeks to gain his life, 
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his life, will preserve it. 
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different contexts in the 
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to mean different things, but 
hear what he's saying is, is 

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seems to be talking about the 
literal life of the disciples, 

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his literally saying, If you 
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you need to lose it in a sense. 
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life, if you try to guard your 
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worldly about guarding your life
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going to be killed. 
So if you try to preserve your 

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goods on the day of the son of 
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house and try to get your goods 
and preserve your worldly things

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and you stay in the house, 
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That's the teaching he says 
don't try and come back for you 

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Goods on the other hand. 
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your Your old life forsake, your
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and run, you'll be saved. 
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quite literal here and that 
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Jesus says, in the Gospel of 
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about, you need to be willing to
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life. 
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hear Jesus says the same thing. 
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your life on the day of the son 
of man, you need to be willing 

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to leave everything behind and 
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Jesus, in verse 34, he is now 
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It's where two people. 
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One will be taken the other will
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So, this is an interesting and 
this has been taken different 

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way. 
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verse 34. 
Jesus says, I tell you on that 

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night to will be in one bed, one
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Now, many Christians and you've 
probably heard this 

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interpretation. 
Many Christians think that when 

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Jesus says here, one will be 
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it's kind of like the Rapture 
Jesus is going to come back and 

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Rapture away. 
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Those are the ones that will be 
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will, the wicked will be left 
behind. 

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actually in there, that's just 

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the other left, and so, that's, 
that's an important key word 

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here. 
I don't think that's the best 

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interpretation in the context of
what Jesus has just said about 

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the flood in Noah's day. 
And Sodom remember what happens 

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in those stories, those who were
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ones who had killed or judged by
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and those that are left. 
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those that are left behind with 
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at the end of the story of 
nowhere in the flood, it's Noah,

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Noah, the righteous is left. 
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Sodom who's left after Sodom was
destroyed, its lat the 

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righteous. 
So, if we continue on that 

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model, then when Jesus says 
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take, sorry, one will be taken 
the other left. 

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Probably it means the wicked 
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At the righteous will be left. 
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might be a reference to the 
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Remember, in the original 
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killed or spared so maybe if 
Jesus is going to use a similar 

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model in D. 
Now here's he's very good to be 

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complicated. 
If Jesus is still speaking about

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70 AD in what sense can we say 
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There'll be two in one bed, one 
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left. 
How can a person be taken and 

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the person right next to them be
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Did that happen in 70 AD? 
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is a bit incomplete here but 
some Scholars think yes, that is

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the way we should take this. 
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When the Roman armies getting to
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Roman armies typically worked. 
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here is that people will 
literally be going about their 

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daily business. 
Some of them are we sleeping and

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the Romans burst into their 
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people. 
They've sort of grab one person 

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and kill them and they leave 
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This would be consistent with 
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The Romans had a quota of the 
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kill. 
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wanted to leave in the city to 
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So perhaps, this is what 
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there. 
Come into people's houses or 

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Fields, kill some and leave 
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That was part of the brutality 
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So here, if that's the right 
interpretation, Jesus is 

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basically saying to his 
disciples if you're laying in 

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bed or if you're working in the 
field, when you see the Romans 

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coming, get out of the city 
before the Romans, get to the 

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city. 
Otherwise there's a good chance 

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that you'll die. 
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you'll be one of the people that
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So it seems here This is talking
about the way that the Romans, 

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as part of God's judgment are 
going to kill at random. 

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They're going to just in 
discriminately kill some and 

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leave others behind now. 
If this seems like a bit of a 

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strange view, it's the view 
that's taken by NT Wright. 

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Who's probably one of the most 
famous New Testament, Scholars, 

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whose written the most about the
kingdom of God. 

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And Jesus predictions about ad 
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So that's his view. 
He says that when Jesus says, 

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one will be taken the other 
left. 

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It's talking about how the Roman
armies killed in. 

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Discriminately and they left 
others behind. 

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Now, that's not entirely a 
perfect fit because in the Noah 

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and lot model, basically, the 
righteous are saved in the 

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wicked of killed. 
But here in ad 70, it looks 

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like. 
Sometimes it's the righteous 

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that are killed as well, if they
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however, we could say here that 
Jesus has warned the Christians.

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That if you're righteous, if 
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you will get out of the city 
before that happens and 

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apparently, that's what they 
did. 

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Now, on this verse here, verse 
34, it says on that night two 

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will be in one bed and one will 
be taken the other left. 

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It's sometimes on this podcast, 
it's good to talk about some 

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other interpretations that 
you'll hear which are a really 

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strange, but you will encounter 
them. 

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So some people and there are 
some translations, which 

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actually put it this way, some 
translations have this as there 

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will be two men in one bed and 
some gay activists have taken 

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this to be a France to 
homosexual, men being in bed 

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together. 
Jesus here is saying they'll be 

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on that night. 
They'll be two men in one bed. 

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It's a bit of a strange View. 
And it turns out that the Greek 

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he doesn't support this at all. 
If you look at the Greek version

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of this verse the Greek, you 
literally just says there will 

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be two in one bed. 
That's all it says, and some 

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Modern Bible translations to 
make it a bit clearer. 

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In English. 
Have put the word, they'll be 

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two men in one bed. 
Certainly the it's not like a 

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sexual thing that's in view 
here. 

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It's just Jesus saying that we 
too The asleep, one will be 

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killed, and one won't be, and 
then he gives another example. 

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Verse 35, two women will be 
grinding corn together, one will

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be taken the other left, so we 
have the same basic idea here, 

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both women, imagine the day in 
ad 70. 

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When the Romans come over the 
hill to take this city, both 

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women will be working on 
grinding corn. 

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Keep in mind that they really 
didn't know what day the Romans 

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were coming. 
They'd sort of been small 

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skirmishes before them, but they
could not literally predict the 

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day, the Romans would come Over 
the hill, they didn't know. 

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So imagine this those two women 
working on grinding corn and 

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then all of a sudden, the Romans
burst into the room, although 

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burst onto the farm and they 
take one of the women at random,

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this is the picture we get and 
that seems to be what happened 

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on that day. 
Hopefully this is making sense 

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to you and you can kind of 
visualize what happened in ad 70

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and why Jesus is warning them. 
They need to get out of the city

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before them. 
Now in verse 36, most 

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translations don't actually have
verse 36. 

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Some ancient manuscripts do But 
here's what verse 36 says, it 

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doesn't add a whole lot. 
It just says this, two men will 

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be in the field. 
One will be taken and the other 

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left. 
Now Matthews version of this, it

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does have this line and it would
flow on with what Jesus said. 

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Earlier about being out in the 
field, remember in the he said, 

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if you're in the field on that 
day and you see the army's 

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coming, get out of there. 
Otherwise the armies will get 

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you. 
So it fits the same theme. 

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Certainly That's all Jesus has 
to say about this at this point,

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but then in verse 37, the 
disciples interrupted that's 

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what our translation says, all. 
That really says in the original

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is they said to him. 
So we shouldn't imagine that 

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they suddenly interrupted him 
mid-speech, that doesn't seem to

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be the case. 
They just asked him a question. 

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This is the question as Luke 
puts it, where Lord now it's not

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entirely clear what the 
disciples are asking. 

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Where about literally all it 
says, here is they say to Jesus 

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where Lord? 
So this Could mean one of two 

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things? 
The disciples he could be asking

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either Jesus. 
Where will this judgment take 

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place? 
Or maybe, they could be asking, 

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where will those who were taken 
be taken to? 

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Because he's just been talking 
about taking some people away. 

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So, maybe it's a question of 
where they're going to be taken 

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to and so either of those might 
be the right interpretation 

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notice. 
Jesus answer though, he says, 

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where the body is there to will.
The vultures gather this has 

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been taken in lots of different 
ways. 

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Some have taken it in a very 
graphic way as in on that day. 

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There's literally going to be 
Eagles, hovering around the 

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corpses and certainly there were
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So, maybe Jesus is saying that 
after it's all said and done, 

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they'll be lots of eagles 
hanging around the bodies that 

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could actually be right. 
We can't rule that out. 

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And some have even taken it a 
different way. 

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Some have taken it as a 
reference to the Rapture as in, 

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on that day. 
Jesus is apparently that if you 

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take this, as the second coming,
Jesus will gather all the 

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Christians to himself, they'll 
all sort of float up in the air,

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to be with Jesus. 
And in that sense, Jesus body is

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what's in view where Jesus body 
is there, the vultures will 

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gather and the, vultures here 
would represent, Christians. 

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I don't think that's a good 
interpretation. 

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I think in context, this is 
probably a Hebrew metaphor 

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Hebrew. 
Idiom remember. 

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Jesus, here is answering the 
question, where Lord, right. 

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That's the question. 
I posed to him. 

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And Jesus answer is where the 
body. 

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Is there to the vultures will 
gather. 

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I think this is probably best 
understood as a Jewish idiom, 

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which means something like this,
the location will be obvious. 

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So, in that time in the time of 
Jesus, if you solve vultures 

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gathering around the certain 
area, if you saw them sort of 

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hovering around a field, then 
you would know there's probably 

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bodies at that place in the 
distance. 

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So I think this Where the body 
is there to the vultures will 

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gather. 
It's just a Jewish metaphor. 

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That means the location will be 
obvious. 

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If that's the right 
interpretation. 

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Jesus is basically saying this 
in answer to their question of 

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where Lord, he's saying the 
judgment will be obvious because

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everyone will see it in the 
events associated with the 

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destruction of Jerusalem. 
Jesus gets more explicit with 

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this. 
In Luke Chapter, 19, Verse 43 

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and 21:10. 
So he's going to revisit this 

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theme of the destruction of The 
temple. 

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Now, there's one more aspect of 
this line, which is worth 

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mentioning where the body is 
there. 

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The vultures will gather, or you
can translate that Eagles, will 

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gather interestingly, the Roman 
armies in this time period, when

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they marched into battle, they 
had a big banner with an eagle 

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on it. 
So maybe Jesus is literally 

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referring to the Roman Eagle, 
that's certainly possible as 

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well. 
So that's all in our text today.

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Jesus revisits these themes and 
he gets even more explicit about

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it in chapter 21 Jesus. 
More to say about the 

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destruction of the temple. 
And we'll look at that when we 

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get there. 
Hopefully, I know we've gone 

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through this in a bit of depth 
and really gotten into the 

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nitty-gritty of Prophecy here, 
but I think it's important, we 

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do that because even amongst 
Catholics there's some really 

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wild views about Jesus views of 
the end of the world and I think

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a lot of it is best understood 
as referring to ad 70. 

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Not necessarily all of us. 
And of course, God works in 

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pattern so he could do the same 
again at the end of the world. 

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But primarily here, it looks 
like Jesus. 

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Is warning his disciples about 
the events that will take place 

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in ad 70. 
And he tells them, they need to 

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get out as quick as they can. 
Otherwise, they could be killed 

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along with the rest of the Jews 
in the city. 

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Let's quickly turn to the 
catechism before you finish. 

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Today there's one key paragraph 
here where there's a reference 

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to Luke chapter 17 paragraph. 
1889, this is in the section 

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about conversion and Society. 
It's an interesting application,

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00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,100
says, charity is the Social 
commandment it, respects, others

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00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:24,500
and their rights. 
It requires the practice of 

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00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:27,800
justice and it alone makes us 
capable of it. 

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00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,600
Charity inspires, a life of self
giving. 

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00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,800
Whoever seeks to gain his life, 
will lose it, but whoever loses 

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his life, will preserve it. 
So here in the original text in 

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Luke's text, as we set in this 
exegesis that line, whoever 

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seeks to gain his life will lose
it. 

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00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,200
Whoever loses his life will 
preserve it. 

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00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,800
It's probably about, literally 
saving your life. 

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By running out of the city. 
His, it's a very specific 

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00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:55,700
application. 
But here, the catechism sees a 

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00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:58,100
possible deeper spiritual 
reality here. 

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Maybe when Jesus says, whoever 
seeks to gain his life will lose

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00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:03,800
it, but whoever loses his life, 
will preserve it. 

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He's talking about giving 
yourself away for the kingdom 

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giving yourself away, 
spiritually. 

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And in the context of this part 
of her catechism. 

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It's about love, loving others. 
Giving yourself away in love. 

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Certainly. 
There are other places in the 

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gospels where Jesus uses this 
phrase to refer, to Losing your 

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life for the sake of the Kingdom
as in giving yourself away, 

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spiritually for the sake of the 
kingdom and he does use that in 

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other contexts, even if he 
doesn't mean that exactly here. 

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So we'll finish it there for 
today. 

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If you have others in your life 
who were interested in Prophecy 

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and who might be interested in 
the interpretation that's been 

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offered here as we've moved 
through verse by verse please, 

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share it with them and will 
continue to look at Luke. 

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In the coming days. 
We have a bit of a break from 

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this heavy prophecy stuff as we 
move into Luke, Chapter 18.

