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Hi everyone, and welcome back to
the podcast where we take a look

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at today's reading from the 
gospel of mass and we attempt to

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provide an exegesis of the 
literal sense. 

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What was the author trying to 
get across to his original 

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readers? 
Today, we're looking at John 

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chapter 1 verses 29. 234. 
Seeing Jesus coming towards him.

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John said, look, there is the 
Lamb that takes away the sin of 

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the world. 
This is the one I spoke of. 

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When I said a man is coming 
after me, who ranks before me? 

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Because he existed before me, I 
did not know him myself. 

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And yet it was to reveal him to 
Israel. 

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That I came baptizing with 
water. 

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John also declared I saw the 
Spirit coming down on him from 

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heaven like a dove and resting 
on him. 

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I did not know him myself, but 
he who sent me to baptize with 

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water, had said to me, the man 
on whom you see the Spirit come 

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down and rest is the one. 
Who is going to baptize with the

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Holy Spirit. 
Yes, I have seen and I am the 

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witness that he is the chosen 
one of God. 

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Okay, so this section is mostly 
a monologue by John the Baptist 

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describing. 
What it means to say that Jesus 

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is the Messiah. 
So it starts off in verse 29 

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with seeing Jesus coming towards
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So if you read just before this,
in John chapter 1, Jesus was 

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there on the previous day and 
he'd seen John the Baptist 

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interact with the Jewish leaders
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himself known. 
But now Jesus directly 

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Approaches, John the Baptist. 
So the focus of this passage is 

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about John the Baptist and it's 
written by another John. 

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So it's the Apostle John who's 
writing about, John the Baptist.

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Now, you'll notice that In this 
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actually narrate the baptism of 
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There is no mention of Jesus 
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particular part of early part of
John's gospel, whereas some of 

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the synoptic gospels do, mention
the baptism of Jesus and most 

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Scholars would say that's 
because of what John's purpose 

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is in writing the gospel. 
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written written varieties. 
Gospel lat Last and probably he 

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was trying to write to 
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gospels that already said he was
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that they hadn't mentioned yet. 
So there's quite a few events 

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that John, the Baptist doesn't 
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rate and it seems to be because 
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John. 
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gospel decided not to include 
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If he didn't have anything new 
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authors had already included. 
So he doesn't include a lot of 

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events that he thinks of already
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gospel writers. 
So he just adds in some 

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additional information. 
Here, some additional words of 

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John, the Baptist that the other
gospel writers didn't include So

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John the Baptist here says 
behold. 

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And so he's announcing this to 
the crowd, he wants the crowd to

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pay attention to what he's about
to say, he's about to identify 

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for the crowd, the Messiah, 
because a lot of the crowd 

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thinks that he's the Messiah 
because of the things, he's 

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saying they're quite amazed and 
they're repenting and being 

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baptized. 
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the opportunity to say, look, 
here is the Messiah. 

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It's not me and he says, Behold 
the Lamb of God. 

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There's a lot that could be said
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The Lamb of God, it's a rich 
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So in particular probably the 
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Old Testament sacrificing, an 
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with what the Jews had to do in 
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atone for their sin. 
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So John the Baptist here looking
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Jesus as the ultimate Lamb of 
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take away the sins of the 
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Our world. 
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like the Lambs were in the Old 
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And it also has Echoes of the 
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So remember in the book of 
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to escape Egypt, God makes them 
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the blood on the doorposts. 
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achieve deliverance from slavery
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which Jesus sacrifice as the 
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deliverance from sin, from the 
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So, John the Baptist says, takes
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we know that through Jesus death
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Jesus does take away the sin of 
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John, the Baptist here might be 
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to 7, that's part of that famous
suffering Servant Song and it in

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that passage in Isaiah, it 
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as carrying, the sins of of us 
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to think of that as a reference 
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So most likely John, the Baptist
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to die for people sins. 
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the crucifixion is coming but 
the Holy Spirit does inspire him

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to recognize that Jesus will one
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sins of the world. 
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understand that although he John
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them for repentance and 
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Jesus the Messiah who will truly
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sins. 
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verse 30. 
He says, this is the one I spoke

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of when I said a man is coming 
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Because he existed before me. 
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1 John, the Baptist said this, 
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pre-existent, one, who is to 
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didn't understand the first 
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chapter 1. 
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the opportunity to go. 
This is the one I was talking 

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about. 
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Existent one. 
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Jesus as the Messiah existed 
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Even though John the Baptist, 
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signal to the crowds. 
This man is greater than I am. 

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He's the Messiah, he pre-exists 
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I'm not the Messiah. 
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He John. 
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him myself. 
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See, this is a little bit 
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Gospels Gospels. 
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Jesus. 
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related in some way often the 
word cousin is used but they 

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weren't cousin in the 21st 
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general term that meant relative
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of Mary and Joseph and Elizabeth
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Mary and Elizabeth are related 
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John are related, but they never
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Jesus grew up in Nazareth. 
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after he was born, he went out 
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So John, the Baptist has never 
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That I came baptizing with 
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In other words, my whole 
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Was to reveal him to Israel. 
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water. 
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mission was to prepare Israel 
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Through baptism and preaching 
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Verse 32. 
John also says, we don't know if

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he says this at the time when in
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gospels, that he probably said 
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that Jesus is actually being 
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The Baptist says I saw the 
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spirit. 
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have some understanding of what 
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it's mentioned in some of the 
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such as the wisdom of Solomon, 
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special spirit of God, but they 
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understanding of it. 
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reveal what the holy spirit is 
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John. 
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Holy Spirit coming down on Jesus
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So John the Baptist is obviously
seeing something visible here. 

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He's seeing something happen. 
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that the time this happens is 
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but John the Apostle John 
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baptism. 
He just sandwiches these two 

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quotes of John the Baptist 
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But it appears that everyone 
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didn't see the spirit of God 
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It looks like it might have just
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The Baptist that sort possibly. 
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He saw the Spirit descending 
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uses the same language. 
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Some people have taken this to 
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it's not what the phrase 
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It's more of a metaphor in the 
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John is saying, John, the 
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like this. 
I saw something, I saw the 

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Spirit come down and rest on 
Jesus, just like a dove would so

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in some sense, the spear rest 
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the way that a dove would come 
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So it could be that it was in 
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dove. 
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culture would have been familiar
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moved. 
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saying the spirit rested on him.
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stays with Jesus as a sign of 
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this recalls, Isaiah 11:2, which
describes this ideal Future 

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King. 
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from the line of David. 
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King, the spirit of the Lord 
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So when Apostle John mentions, 
that this happened to Jesus, his

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readers would have immediately 
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supposed to be seen as a 
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Isaiah 11 Passage. 
Verse 33, John. 

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The Baptist now tells us some 
part of a revelation that he's 

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received. 
He says, he who sent me to 

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baptize with water, which is God
had said to me, the man, on whom

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you see the Spirit come down and
rest is the one who is going to 

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baptize with the holy spirit. 
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beforehand through a vision or 
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That when you see the Holy 
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Should know that. 
That is the Messiah and John has

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now seen this happen to Jesus. 
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Messiah and he is now trying to 
declare to the crowds. 

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Jesus is the Messiah. 
He is the chosen. 

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One of God. 
The one we have been waiting for

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and when he says, When God says 
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one who will baptize with the 
Holy Spirit. 

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There's many Old Testament 
prophecies that predict that in 

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the end times or in the coming 
of the kingdom of God, when the 

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Messiah comes the spirit would 
be, will be poured out on God's 

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people in a new way. 
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realizes this is him. 
This is the Messiah. 

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Who's going to do it? 
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really interesting monologue. 
There from John, the Baptist 

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that tells us a lot about what 
he knew of Jesus, and what it 

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means to say that Jesus is the 
Messiah. 

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So, this passage, as a result is
referenced a lot. 

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In the catechism, particularly 
The Mention Of Jesus being the 

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Lamb of God, is a theme that's 
taken up a lot as part of the 

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Catholic teaching, and Catholic 
theology about Jesus 

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crucifixion. 
So, there's about 10 references 

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10 paragraphs, I just want to 
read out a Of them. 

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So, in paragraph five 36 which 
is in the section about the 

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baptism of Jesus. 
It says the baptism of Jesus is 

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on his part, the acceptance and 
inauguration of his mission as 

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God's suffering servant. 
He allows himself to be numbered

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among Sinners. 
He is already the Lamb of God 

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who takes away the sin of the 
world. and then it goes on from 

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there, to describe what it means
when the Holy Spirit rests on 

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him paragraph, six or eight, 
which is in the section about 

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The Lamb of God. 
So very fitting for this 

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passage. 608 says, after 
agreeing to baptize him along 

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with the Sinners John the 
Baptist looked at Jesus and 

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pointed him out as the Lamb of 
God who takes away the sin of 

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the World by doing. 
So he reveals that Jesus is at 

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the same time, the suffering 
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himself to be led to the 
slaughter and who Bears, the sin

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of the multitudes and also the 
Paschal Lamb, the symbol of 

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Israel's Redemption at the first
Passover, Christ's whole life, 

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expresses his mission to serve 
and to give his life as a ransom

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for many. 
So that's quite an incredible 

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paragraph about Jesus mission, 
as the Lamb of God. 

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And then in paragraph 6 13, 
which is in the discussion about

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Jesus, sacrifice on the cross. 
It says, Christ's death is both 

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the Paschal sacrifice that 
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Redemption of. 
And through the Lamb of God, who

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takes away the sin of the world.
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There's quite a few other 
paragraphs in the catechism in 

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the discussion about what the 
word Christ means in the 

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discussion about what sin is it 
references? 

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John chapter one as well. 
There's some more discussions 

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about, John the Baptist in his 
role and confer. 

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The Sacrament of Confirmation is
actually linked to this passage 

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as well. 
And so there's a lot of really 

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interesting paragraphs here. 
I'll include all of them in the 

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show notes, so that's the end of
our podcast today. 

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There's a lot in that, 
hopefully, you learned something

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new.