1
00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:13,900
Hi everyone. 
Welcome again to our podcast, 

2
00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:16,200
thanks for tuning in. 
I hope you're really enjoying 

3
00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:20,100
this way of looking at the Bible
and looking at the lectionary, I

4
00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:23,300
think it's always so important 
to start with the literal sense 

5
00:00:23,300 --> 00:00:25,600
of the text. 
And that's what we do in this 

6
00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,200
podcast. 
So let's jump into today's 

7
00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:33,200
reading which is Luke. 25 verses
27 to 32. 

8
00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:40,400
Jesus noticed a tax collector 
Levi by name, sitting by the 

9
00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:45,900
customs house and said to him, 
follow me and leaving everything

10
00:00:46,100 --> 00:00:51,900
he got up and followed him. 
In his honor, Levi held a great 

11
00:00:51,900 --> 00:00:55,500
reception in his house and with 
them at table was the large 

12
00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:57,600
Gathering of tax collectors and 
sinners. 

13
00:00:58,900 --> 00:01:02,400
The Pharisees and the scribes 
complained to his disciples and 

14
00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,400
said, why do you eat and drink 
with tax collectors and sinners?

15
00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:11,400
Jesus said to them in reply. 
It is not those who are, well, 

16
00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,200
who need the doctor, but the 
sick, I have not come to call 

17
00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:22,400
The Virtuous. 
But Sinners to repentance So 

18
00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,300
let's start by asking, what's 
the context? 

19
00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:26,000
What has just been happening in 
Luke? 

20
00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:28,800
So, at this point, Jesus is 
walking around the Villages of 

21
00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,700
the Sea of Galilee preaching. 
He's becoming more and more 

22
00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:36,600
popular and we introduced or 
Jesus notices someone sitting by

23
00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,300
the Sea who is a tax collector. 
So, what a tax collectors, these

24
00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:43,600
were Jews who essentially worked
for the Romans. 

25
00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,800
They were hired by the Romans to
collect taxes from the Jews. 

26
00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,500
And the Jews didn't like, Tax 
Collectors for three reasons. 

27
00:01:51,900 --> 00:01:55,500
So, they worked for the Romans 
that automatically makes them an

28
00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:58,500
enemy of the Jews. 
They take people's money, and no

29
00:01:58,500 --> 00:02:01,000
one likes that. 
And thirdly, they had a habit of

30
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,600
corrupting. 
The taxes is in. 

31
00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,600
There were take more than they 
were supposed to and keep some 

32
00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,000
of the money for themself. 
So the tax collectors were not 

33
00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,400
liked In Israel. 
And to be honest to be a tax 

34
00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,900
collector, you usually have to 
be fairly sneaky, perhaps 

35
00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:21,700
Wicked, kind of person to enter 
into that kind of into that kind

36
00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:25,100
of field of work and that's 
probably what Levi is Levi's. 

37
00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:28,300
Probably a bit of a nasty 
person, although we don't know 

38
00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:32,900
that speculation. 
So the Jews assume Tax 

39
00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:35,500
Collectors to be Sinners 
automatically, just because they

40
00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:39,100
work for the Romans that puts 
them in base, make some Sinners 

41
00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:43,100
automatically. 
So Jesus notices a tax collector

42
00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:46,600
whose name is Levi. 
In other gospels, he's called 

43
00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,500
Matthew. 
So this is the author of The 

44
00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:52,700
Gospel of Matthew. 
So Luke here is introducing us 

45
00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:56,000
to the character of Matthew. 
And Matthew doesn't say anything

46
00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,000
here, but as you'll soon, see he
does do something quite profound

47
00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:04,600
and he's sitting by the customs 
house or another translation of 

48
00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,100
that is a tax office. 
So he is Levi, sitting in a tax 

49
00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,800
office and this particular one 
is located strategically. 

50
00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,800
E on a major trade route on on 
the border with Philips 

51
00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,300
territory. 
So that in Harrods territory and

52
00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,000
there on the border of Philips 
territory, the ran through 

53
00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,300
Capernaum. 
So, Capernaum. 

54
00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:24,800
Jesus, sort of base of 
operations is actually right on 

55
00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,400
the highway of a really 
important trade route. 

56
00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,000
And a lot of people would pass 
through there. 

57
00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:32,200
They'll be a lot of taxing going
on because they're moving from 

58
00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,400
one territory to another, and 
these little boxes, these toll 

59
00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,300
boxes or tax officers were where
they collected the taxes. 

60
00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,600
And they probably also collected
taxes associated with fishing 

61
00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,500
because capernum is a fishing 
Village. 

62
00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:49,400
Now it's estimated that the 
combined tax on the Jews. 

63
00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,400
At this particular time in 
history was something. 

64
00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,400
If you factor in the fact that 
they had a temple tax imposed by

65
00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,300
the Pharisees, they had Harrods 
taxes for living in Harrods area

66
00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,700
and then the Roman taxes to 
support the Roman army. 

67
00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:07,400
If you add that all together 
Scholars, reckon that the Jews 

68
00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,700
at this time, had to give up a 
third of the person's income, 

69
00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,000
which I guess is not that unlike
our culture today, really. 

70
00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000
So they're in a similar 
position. 

71
00:04:16,100 --> 00:04:21,200
In, in terms of taxes. 
So Jesus sees leave either in 

72
00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,200
the tax office, and he simply 
says to him, follow me, that's 

73
00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,800
all he says, and Levi gets up 
straight away and follows him. 

74
00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,900
And he leaves the text says, he 
leaves everything behind so, 

75
00:04:32,900 --> 00:04:37,700
it's not clear, whether Levi 
knew who Jesus was It has he 

76
00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:41,100
heard of Jesus, maybe, but 
something about Jesus made him 

77
00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:44,500
leave his livelihood and follow 
him immediately, he drops 

78
00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:47,000
everything leaves his old life 
behind and follows Jesus 

79
00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,300
straight away. 
That's quite admirable for 

80
00:04:49,300 --> 00:04:52,000
someone who makes a living 
deceiving people, and taking 

81
00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,400
people's money. 
So it's quite an amazing 

82
00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,300
conversion story. 
If you really think about it, 

83
00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:00,000
it's very similar to reaction to
the fishermen. 

84
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,600
Remember Jesus, when he calls 
the fisherman, says follow me 

85
00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:05,200
and they dropped their Nets and 
they follow him straight away. 

86
00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,800
So Matthew or Levi's reaction 
here is quite similar to 

87
00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,500
something. 
Jesus as later in Luke, which is

88
00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:15,700
every one of you who does not 
renounce all his possessions 

89
00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,900
cannot be my disciple. 
So Levi is kind of a model of 

90
00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:22,200
what Jesus expects his disciples
to be. 

91
00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:27,800
Verse 29, the scene changes, 
Levi made him a great feast in 

92
00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,600
his house. 
So Levi, invites, Jesus back to 

93
00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,100
his house and with them at table
was a large Gathering of tax 

94
00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:37,200
collectors, and others. 
So there's heaps of people here 

95
00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,900
at this Feast. 
There's probably lots of people 

96
00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:41,600
that worked on preparing. 
This big Feast Jesus is there 

97
00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,900
with all of his disciples and 
levite is just so happy that 

98
00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:50,100
Jesus has called him. 
So he puts on a feast, So, 

99
00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:52,000
what's going on here? 
Why are there tax collectors and

100
00:05:52,008 --> 00:05:55,500
others at the table? 
Well, many of Jesus close 

101
00:05:55,500 --> 00:05:59,400
followers are here at the table.
And by this time, some of Jesus 

102
00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,900
followers included tax 
collectors and sinners. 

103
00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:07,000
Now, that's not his Apostles, 
the word here is disciples or 

104
00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,600
followers, who are those kind of
in the Outer Circle of Jesus 

105
00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,900
ministry. 
So they follow him around full 

106
00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:16,100
time but they're not one of the 
12 apostles by this time. 

107
00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:21,700
Some of these disciples were tax
collectors, and Sinners and 

108
00:06:21,700 --> 00:06:23,500
obviously, the Pharisees don't 
like that. 

109
00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:27,200
So the Pharisees and the scribes
now, who are they? 

110
00:06:27,500 --> 00:06:30,100
The Pharisees are considered to 
be the leaders of the common 

111
00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:32,300
Jewish people. 
The popular interpreters of the 

112
00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:35,500
law and they did actually have 
Jewish Authority, whatever. 

113
00:06:35,500 --> 00:06:38,800
The Pharisees said is what the 
Jews were expected to do. 

114
00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:42,700
So the Pharisees at all sorts of
rules about, who counted as holy

115
00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:46,700
and who counted as a sinner. 
And the Very experts among the 

116
00:06:46,700 --> 00:06:50,200
Pharisees were called scribes. 
So the scribes were experts in 

117
00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,800
the Old Testament writings, so 
the Pharisees and the scribes 

118
00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,200
murmured against his disciples. 
And then they asked Jesus a 

119
00:06:57,207 --> 00:06:58,900
question. 
They not happy about the 

120
00:06:58,900 --> 00:07:03,700
disciples they say to Jesus. 
Why do you eat now? 

121
00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:05,600
What is eating mean in that 
culture? 

122
00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,600
Eating with someone means you're
welcoming them into their house 

123
00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,200
and basically means you're 
accepting them. 

124
00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:14,100
So in the Pharisees asked Jesus 
here, why do you eat with them, 

125
00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:16,600
what they really mean is, why do
you accept these people? 

126
00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,300
Why do you eat and drink with 
tax collectors and Sinners? 

127
00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,100
And it's a fair question because
their line of thinking is 

128
00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:28,600
probably something like this. 
If you are indeed sent by God, 

129
00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:31,000
why, why do you associate with 
Sinners? 

130
00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,400
That does not seem to make 
sense. 

131
00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,700
God is, Holy, Sinners are not. 
Holy if you're sent from God, 

132
00:07:35,700 --> 00:07:37,400
why would you associate with the
sinners? 

133
00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,600
So the fact that Jesus accepts 
Sinners, obviously there's a lot

134
00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,700
of theological implications 
here. 

135
00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,900
The fact that he's calling 
sinners in and that Sinners are 

136
00:07:48,907 --> 00:07:52,600
accepting the call indicates his
power to call people to 

137
00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,600
repentance And this is his 
response to the Pharisees. 

138
00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,300
It is not those who are well, 
that need the doctor, but the 

139
00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:03,400
sick. 
Now, if Jesus just left it at 

140
00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,100
that, we wouldn't really 
necessarily know what he means. 

141
00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:09,100
But luckily, he goes on to 
explain that metaphor in the 

142
00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:11,600
very next breath. 
By the way, that's something you

143
00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,600
always want to look for 
particularly in Parables of 

144
00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,800
Jesus, says something cryptic 
read on straight afterwards and 

145
00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,400
see if he interprets it, because
if he interprets it, that's the 

146
00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,600
interpretation. 
We have to go with rather than 

147
00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,900
making up our own sometimes. 
Times, he interprets. 

148
00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:27,400
What? 
He's just said for us. 

149
00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,900
Sometimes he doesn't in this 
case, he does, though, I have 

150
00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:34,100
not come to call The Virtuous, 
but Sinners to repentance. 

151
00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,500
Now, by the way, Luke himself is
a physician. 

152
00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:40,200
He's a doctor. 
So insignificant here that Luke 

153
00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,900
mentions this phrase about the 
doctors, but Jesus says, it 

154
00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:45,800
means I have not come to call 
The Virtuous. 

155
00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,000
But Sinners to repentance, 
notice that I have not come to 

156
00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,700
call The Virtuous, but I have 
come to call the Sinners to 

157
00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:55,700
repentance. 
So, Whole mission is to get 

158
00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:59,100
those who have wandered far from
God, to come back to him, to 

159
00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:01,600
repent. 
So, in this case, in this 

160
00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,700
context, he's talking about tax 
collectors, and sinners. 

161
00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,600
Jesus has come to call, people 
like that, to be his disciples. 

162
00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:14,200
Now, as the parable of the 
Prodigal Son, illustrates some 

163
00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,200
people, at the time of Jesus 
were already in God's favor, the

164
00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,900
older brother in the parable as 
much as he's grumpy in the 

165
00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:23,700
parable, if you know, the 
parable of the Prodigal Son, the

166
00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:27,400
father says, all that you have 
is all that I have is yours and 

167
00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,200
that indicates that this the 
older brother was in the favor 

168
00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,000
of God already. 
So in the time of Jesus, there 

169
00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,100
were people who are already 
righteous with God. 

170
00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:37,900
We need to be okay with that. 
Sometimes you'll hear it say 

171
00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:42,200
that no one was good. 
Good enough for God at that 

172
00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,600
particular time in history and 
that's what Jesus came to fix. 

173
00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,700
That's not true. 
I Think Jesus teaching here. 

174
00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:51,100
Makes it clear that there were 
some virtuous righteous people 

175
00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,200
in the time of Jesus, but Jesus 
has come to focus on those who 

176
00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,800
aren't and who need to come back
to being righteous. 

177
00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:03,400
So the Messiah has come to 
restore those who are outside of

178
00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,700
God's favor and to bring them 
back into God's kingdom, notice 

179
00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:11,400
what he's calling the Sinners 
to, I've come not to call The 

180
00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,800
Virtuous, but Sinners to 
repentance, he's calling them to

181
00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,800
do something to repent. 
So it's not just calling them to

182
00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:20,600
be his disciple and go to a few,
Banquets or something. 

183
00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:24,200
He's calling them to repentance.
That's his ultimate goal here is

184
00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,000
that they would change and turn 
to God. 

185
00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:31,900
We always need to keep that in 
mind when we when we talk about 

186
00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:35,100
accepting Sinners and things 
like that, the call According To

187
00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:40,500
Jesus is to accept Sinners, but 
to then call them into something

188
00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:45,000
else, which is repentance. 
Now how does the Catholic Church

189
00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,300
to develop teachings based on 
this passage? 

190
00:10:47,300 --> 00:10:50,400
So there's one clear reference 
here to it in paragraph, five 

191
00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,700
eight. 
Eight of the catechism, which is

192
00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:56,100
in the section about Jesus and 
Israel's faith in God. 

193
00:10:56,100 --> 00:11:00,400
It says Jesus scandalize the 
Pharisees by eating with tax 

194
00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,700
collectors and sinners as 
familiarly as with themselves 

195
00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:10,000
against against those among them
who trusted in themselves that 

196
00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,100
they were righteous and despised
others. 

197
00:11:12,100 --> 00:11:16,300
Jesus, And I have not come to 
call the righteous, but Sinners 

198
00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:19,300
to repentance. 
He went further by proclaiming 

199
00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:23,500
before the Pharisees, that sin 
Sinners Universal, those who 

200
00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:27,100
pretend not to need salvation, a
blind to themselves. 

201
00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:32,500
So all people need salvation. 
That's clearly the teaching of 

202
00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:36,000
the church and that's the 
teaching of this paragraph as 

203
00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,500
well. 
And basically, this paragraph is

204
00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:42,500
a summary of how Jesus calls 
Sinners to repentance and how 

205
00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:45,000
the Pharisees didn't really like
the fact that he did that. 

206
00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,600
That's the end of today's 
podcast and thanks again for 

207
00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,200
listening. 
Please tune in again tomorrow. 

208
00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,600
That's the end of today's 
podcast and thanks again for 

209
00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,200
listening. 
Please tune in again tomorrow.

