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So today, we're looking at quite
a rich reading and this is John 

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chapter 6, verses 41 to 51. the 
Jews were complaining to each 

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other about Jesus, because he 
had said, I am the bread that 

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came down from heaven, Surely. 
This is Jesus Son of Joseph. 

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They said we know his father and
mother. 

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How can he now say I have come 
down from heaven Jesus said in 

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reply, stop complaining to each 
other. 

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No one can come to me unless he 
is drawn by the father who sent 

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me and I will raise him up at 
the last day. 

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It is written in the prophets, 
they will all be taught by God 

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and to hear the teaching of the 
father and learn from it. 

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Is to come to me. 
Not that everybody not that. 

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Anybody has seen the father 
except the one who comes from 

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God. 
He has seen the father I tell 

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you most solemnly, everybody who
believes has eternal life. 

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I am the bread of life, your 
fathers, ate the Manna in the 

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desert and they are dead. 
But this is the bread that comes

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down from heaven. 
So that a man may eat it and not

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die. 
I am the living bread which is 

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come down from heaven. 
Anyone who eats this bread will 

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live forever. 
And the bread that I shall give 

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is my flesh for the life of the 
world. 

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So what's the context of this 
reading? 

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We're right in the middle of the
Eucharistic discourse, very 

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famous passage and an incredibly
theologically Rich passage Jesus

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says a lot here about his 
identity and about the Eucharist

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and all sorts of really 
interesting stuff. 

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So the lead up to this passage, 
you can hear on Wednesday of 

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week. 3 of eastertide. 
That's what comes just before 

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today's reading. 
So, we're in the bread of life 

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discourse, it takes place at the
synagogue in Capernaum, so he's 

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in Capernaum and as well. 
He who speaking to the Jewish 

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leaders, in the last few verses 
leading up to this. 

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He's been inviting the crowds 
the people to have faith that he

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really is. 
The Son of God, the true bread 

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from heaven, and in particular, 
he has been claiming. 

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I am the bread that has come 
down from heaven. 

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So, that sets the scene for 
today. 

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Verse 41, the Jews were 
complaining to each other about 

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Jesus. 
Now, of course, the Jews here, 

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refers to the Jewish leaders, 
And more, literally what it 

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says, here is the Jews then 
murmured at him. 

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That's the actual Greek word 
that's used. 

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So the Jewish leaders are not 
happy with Jesus. 

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And the language here of 
murmuring, refers, or recalls, 

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how the Israelites complained 
against the Lord, and Moses in 

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the wilderness wandering. 
So, if you know, Exodus and 

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numbers there several times, 
when the Israelites complaining 

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against Moses and against God, 
and the text there says that 

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they murmured. 
It's a very similar thing here, 

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and that's fascinating. 
If Think about it because Jesus 

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has been saying that the Manna 
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the time of The Exodus and 
numbers and that was the same 

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time period in which the 
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God will Jesus has just been 
saying that he is the true bread

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that comes down from heaven the 
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And now what are the people do? 
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There's an interesting parallel.
There it goes on because he had 

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said, I am the bread that came 
down from heaven, So the Jewish 

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leaders are murmuring against 
Jesus because they can't accept 

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what he's saying here about. 
I am the bread that came down 

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from heaven to them, that just 
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The Jewish leaders, basically, 
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they know that Jesus is a man 
who was born on Earth in the 

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normal way, they know his father
and mother as they're about to 

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say. 
So they know that he's not sent 

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from heaven, at least, in their 
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Surely this is Jesus, Son of 
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They said we know his That and 
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Now this sermon if you think 
about it is taking place in 

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Capernaum and that's not very 
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And given that Nazareth had a 
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Only has about 300 people at 
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It's likely that the Jewish 
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probably also the Jewish leaders
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So for whatever reason, the 
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Joseph because they live in the 
neighboring town and I know that

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Jesus is the son of Mary and 
Joseph. 

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So in there thinking, there's no
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heaven. 
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I have come down from heaven. 
And of course, there's Echoes 

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here of Jesus sermon that he 
preaches in Nazareth in the 

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synagogue at Nazareth in Luke 
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When he first preaches that 
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they say, isn't this Jesus and 
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Isn't he? 
The carbon to us that they just 

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can't grapple with how Jesus can
have these gifts. 

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It's a very similar reaction 
Verse 43. 

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Jesus said in reply, stop 
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Now more literally what it says 
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Do not murmur among yourselves. 
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saying and the word he uses here
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He actually says murmuring. 
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they're murmuring, he knows 
they're not simply asking 

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innocent questions. 
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negative connotation Jesus here 
in effect is saying that their 

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hearts are as hard as the In the
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desert. 
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that generation? 
He said your grumbling is not 

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against us but against the Lord 
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verse 8. 
So Jesus he says that they're 

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being very similar to that 
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So Jesus is now going to explain
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He's going to explain. 
What does he mean by? 

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I am the bread that comes down 
from heaven. 

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No one can come to me unless he 
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me. 
So there seems to be a response 

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to their question about, how can
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And so the answer appears to be,
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believe that unless the father 
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you to believe that. 
And this is amplifying a point. 

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He made a few verses earlier 
about his will and the father's 

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will be United. 
So, the main point Jesus is 

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making here, is that to believe 
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It's not automatic, and in fact,
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So, the father must already be 
working in the person's heart to

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help. 
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son of God. 
So in answer to their question, 

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how can this man say he's the 
son of God? 

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That he's from Heaven. 
Jesus answer is well. 

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Only the father can reveal that 
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That's his basic answer and he 
finishes that thought by saying 

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I will raise him up at the last 
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a few verses earlier that's the 
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The father has given the sun, 
he's given the Sun, the job of 

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raising humans up bodily on the 
last day so that they can live 

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with him in heaven bodily. 
That's the mission. 

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The overall goal. 
Verse 45, it is written in the 

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prophets. 
They will all be taught by God. 

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So, this is Jesus quoting the 
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Now, it's not a direct quote, 
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verse 13, and if you read that 
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that God gives about the end 
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Jesus God basically says, one 
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Me by god. 
Notice that Jesus, though, says 

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prophets, it is written in the 
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So he's probably thinking of 
this General line of thinking 

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that all the prophets teach or 
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teach, for example, in Jeremiah 
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There's the same idea that one 
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will be taught by God. 
So Jesus quotes this. 

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And then he says, and to hear 
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to learn from it, is to come to 
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And that will be quite shocking 
to the crowd because Jesus 

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quotes the Old Testament passage
no one. 

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Sorry. 
It is written in the prophets, 

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they will all be taught by God. 
So, he quotes that. 

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And then he says, it's fulfilled
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So the Jews who read the Old 
Testament, they did believe that

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these passages would be 
fulfilled one day in the end 

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times, but they imagined that 
what the passage was teaching 

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was that God would speak 
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times. 
Well, here comes Jesus and he 

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says that's exactly what God is 
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The sun has received his message
directly from the father and now

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he's Indicating it directly to 
the people. 

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This is a fulfillment of that. 
Passage the end times are here. 

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God is speaking directly to his 
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So in other words, it's the 
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listened to the sun, learn from 
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salvation. 
That's Jesus. 

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Main point verse 46. 
Jesus says not that anybody has 

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seen the father so Jesus here is
probably correcting their idea 

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that they had that God himself 
as father would teach them 

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directly. 
He's saying not that anybody has

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seen the father but then he adds
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who comes from God. 
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So who is the one that comes 
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It's the Sun. 
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only person who has seen God 
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No one else has then people 
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want to know the words of God. 
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Well, it's a very clever way of 
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Jesus constantly starts with 
things that the people agree 

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with. 
He starts with presuppositions 

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that they accept, and then he 
gets them to think a bit deeper 

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about it. 
And what that means in the 

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context of him, being the son of
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I tell you most solemnly. 
So that means is about to say 

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something fairly important, 
everybody who believes So 

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believes, what anyone who 
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What Jesus has just been talking
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So anyone who believes that 
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and they choose to listen to 
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Now notice that's a present 
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Jesus says that, anyone who 
believes already has eternal 

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life, they already have 
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So that's verse 47 and that's 
the end of that particular 

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thought. 
We now get to Voice verse 48 and

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verse 48 to 58 is what a lot of 
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second half of the bread of life
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So, if the first half was an 
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starting the second half which 
is an invitation to the 

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Eucharist. 
So at this point on verse 48 on 

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words, Jesus starts to get 
explicitly Eucharistic and he 

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starts to talk more about flesh.
And bread. 

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So up until now, he's been 
asking the crowd to believe in 

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his identity as the one who sent
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from heaven. 
Now, he's going to take it a 

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step further, and he's going to 
invite the crowd, to go deeper, 

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and to actually eat his flesh 
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That's the language that Jesus 
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So the general flow of the 
sermon is the Jesus starts by 

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getting them to believe in him 
or to believe that he's the son 

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of God. 
But then the believing leads to 

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eating That's what we're about 
to see. 

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Believing leads to doing 
something verse 48. 

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I am the bread of life, so he's 
already said this once in verse 

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35, and he's just restating it, 
your fathers, ate, the Manna in 

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the desert, but they are dead. 
So, Jesus brings up the Manna in

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the wilderness. 
Again, this is something that I 

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brought up earlier, which you 
would have heard in the last 

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couple of days on the podcast. 
So he brings up the manner 

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again, why? 
Because he knows that the crowd 

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has a really places a really big
importance on this event where 

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God provides a Manna in the 
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So Jesus keeps referring them 
back to that, and he wants them 

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to think a bit deeper about that
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So, Jesus is saying, the Manna 
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heaven. 
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even those who ate the Manna in 
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Exodus, they died even though 
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So Jesus wants to point them to 
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From Heaven one that will 
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will not lead people to die, 
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This is the bread that comes 
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So that a man may eat it and not
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I am the living bread, which is 
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Anyone who eats this bread will 
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So Jesus says that to eat the 
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down from heaven will give one 
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which could not give eternal 
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The new bread from Heaven is 
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in the desert. 
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question yet. 
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bread? 
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said, is that I am the one who's
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true bread. 
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eternal life but he hasn't 
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means just yet. 
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son of man, or to eat Jesus? 
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refer to taking Jesus as 
spiritual nourishment as in, you

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need to absorb his teachings, 
you need to meditate on him, you

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need to follow him so that's 
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And that's probably true. 
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amplify this in a much more 
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coming verses and in the coming 
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that's the stumbling block. 
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If you just meant, you need to 
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wouldn't have had a problem with
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that the crowd uses, they really
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literally give them his flesh 
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getting at. 
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whoever eats this bread will 
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And now that's probably an 
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the Garden of Eden. 
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there's this tree of life and if
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can live forever. 
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and Eve sinned, their cast out 
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that tree, So, in a sense, Jesus
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of Life. 
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immortality, which was lost when
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The Eucharist is in a sense, the
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a spiritual immortality. 
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of Jesus mind here when he's 
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The bread that I shall give is 
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world. 
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specific. 
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So let's think about what Jesus 
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achieve eternal life. 
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That's the teaching so far. 
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flesh that I shall give for the 
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life of the world. 
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be his sacrifice on the cross. 
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gives up his own flesh for the 
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of those events, the Incarnation
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being able to actually eat. 
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We can't actually partake of his
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not in a physical literal way. 
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that I shall give is my flesh 
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He's probably thinking of it of 
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particular, his probably 
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If you look at the accounts of 
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when he holds up the bread, this
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So there's probably a connection
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In fact, if you look at the 
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about the last supper, and the 
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the same Greek word is used 
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When, in the Last Supper, it 
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you. 
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that I shall give He's My Flesh 
for the life of the world that 

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same really specific Greek word,
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English as for is used in both 
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So I think Jesus here, we can 
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thinking about the institution 
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Supper, that's when he gives his
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And that's the form of the sun's
flesh that he has given us to 

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partake in, its the Eucharist 
And this teaching about flesh 

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and blood is going to get more 
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coming versus and we're look at 
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So, how does this get taken up 
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And where can we find a 
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the catechism? 
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paragraphs and I'll just read 
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most striking. 
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Trinity and how the different 
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the world. 
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theological teaching. 
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a work at once, common and 
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economy makes known both, what 
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and their one divine nature. 
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is a communion with each of the 
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separating them. 
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father does. 
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Spirit, everyone who follows 
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it says, no one can come to the 
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him. 
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paragraph in the catechism is 
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To be part of the Trinity, is to
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of the trinity. 
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believing in Jesus Christ. 
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Christian believing in God 
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believing in the one, he has 
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father is well pleased, God 
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The Lord himself said to his 
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believe. 
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Jesus Christ because he is 
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God, the word made flesh. 
Quote, no one has ever seen God.

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The only son who is in the bosom
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because he has seen the father. 
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knows him and can reveal him. 
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bringing together various 
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Jesus says in the Gospel of John
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Son of God, who has come to 
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Eucharist and in particular, the
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in here in our modern Mass. 
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preceded, by The Lord's Prayer 
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the faithful receive the Bread 
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Salvation, the body, and blood 
of Christ who offered himself 

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for the life of the world. 
Because this bread and wine have

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been made. 
Eucharist Eucharist stood, 

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according to an ancient, Greek. 
Expression we call this food 

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Eucharist and no one may take 
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Unless he believes that what we 
teach is true, he has received 

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baptism for the Forgiveness of 
sins and New Birth and lives in 

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keeping with what Christ taught.
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for today. 
If you want to hear the next 

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part, it gets even deeper. 
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the Eucharistic discourse is 
going to say anyone who eats 

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this bread will live forever and
the bread that I shall give is 

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my flesh for the life of the 
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Really amplifies, if you want to
hear this next part, you can 

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hear it a few different times in
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So it's on Friday of week, three
Avista tired and also the 

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solemnity of Corpus Christi in 
year a and also the 20th Sunday 

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of ordinary time in year be, 
which might be the next Sunday 

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for you depending on when you're
listening now, thanks for your 

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support of this ministry. 
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about it, and we'll see you 
again tomorrow.