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Hi everyone. 
Welcome back to the logical. 

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Bible study podcast, we're 
continuing to look at the 

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post-resurrection appearances of
Jesus, as we have being in the 

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last few days. 
And as always, we want to take a

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look at the text from today. 
And then we dive into looking an

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exegesis of the literal sense of
that text. 

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Today's passage is from Luke 
chapter 24 verses 13 to 35. 

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It's a bit of a longer one. 
This is the road to Emmaus 

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story, two of the Disciples of 
Jesus, were on their way to a 

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village called Emmaus. 
Seven miles from Jerusalem and 

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they were talking together about
all that it happened. 

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Now, as they talked this over, 
Jesus himself came up and walked

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by their side, but something 
prevented them from recognizing 

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him. 
He said to them, what matters 

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are you discussing as you walk 
along, they stopped short their 

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faces downcast. 
Then one of them called, 

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clearpass answered him, you must
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Jerusalem who does not know the 
things that have been happening 

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there. 
These last few days. 

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What things he asked all about, 
Jesus of Nazareth they answered 

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who proved he was a great 
prophet by the things he said 

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and did in the sight of God and 
of the whole people and how our 

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chief priests and our leaders 
handed him over to be sentenced 

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to death, and had him crucified.
Our own hope had been that he 

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would be the one to set Israel. 
Free. 

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And this is not all two whole 
days have gone by, since it all 

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happened and some women from our
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they went to the Tomb in the 
early morning and when they did 

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not find the body, they came 
back to tell us that they had 

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seen a vision of angels who 
declared that he was alive. 

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Some of our friends went to the 
tomb and found everything 

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exactly as the women had 
reported, but of him, they saw 

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nothing. 
Then he said to them. 

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You foolish, man. 
So slow to believe the full 

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message of the prophets. 
Was it not ordained that the 

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Christ should suffer and so 
enter into his glory. 

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Then starting with Moses and 
going through all the prophets, 

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he explained to them the 
passages through the scriptures 

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that were about himself. 
When they drew near to the 

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Village to which they were going
he made as if to go on, but they

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pressed him to stay with them. 
It is nearly evening they said 

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and the day is almost over so he
went in to stay with them. 

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Now while he was with them at 
table, he took the bread and 

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said the blessing. 
Then he broke it and handed it 

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to them. 
And their eyes were opened and 

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they recognized him, but he had 
vanished from their sight, then 

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they said to each other, did not
our hearts burn within us as he 

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talked to us on the road and 
explained the scriptures to us. 

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They set out that instant and 
returned to Jerusalem. 

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There they found the eleven 
assembled together with their 

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companions who said to them. 
Yes, it is true. 

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The Lord has risen and has 
appeared to Simon. 

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Then they told their story of 
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and how they had recognized him 
at the breaking of the bread. 

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So many of you will be familiar 
with the road to Emmaus story. 

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It's often used as part of 
catechesis and religious 

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education as a model of what 
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When we teach people, the 
scriptures is, we want to unlike

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help them open their eyes to see
things that hadn't seen before. 

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So what's the context here? 
It's Easter Sunday. 

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It's the day of Jesus. 
Resurrection already in the 

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morning on this day. 
The women have seen the vision 

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of Angels at the tomb and 
they've run back to tell the 

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apostles and the The other 
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So, we're in Jerusalem, we know 
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the disciples do not believe 
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Peter and the Beloved disciple, 
's they do. 

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They go and check it out for 
themselves but most of the 

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disciples don't believe that 
Jesus is resurrected. 

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So now it's probably early 
afternoon on Easter Sunday at 

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this point. 
And we see two of the Disciples 

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of Jesus. 
Now, these are not part of the 

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eleven Apostles, but the 
disciple. 

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So the broader group of his 
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So these two people two 
disciples, they were in the room

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when the women came in and claim
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they did not believe the women 
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So they're on the way to a 
village called Emmaus. 

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And our translation says that is
seven miles from Jerusalem. 

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Now, there's some debate about 
how far away it is because some 

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translations have this as what 
this basically 18 miles, some 

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manuscripts so it is 18 miles, 
some have it is seven miles. 

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We know from one Maccabees 
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there is a village called Emmaus
which is 18 miles from 

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Jerusalem. 
So probably the right 

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translation is 18 miles and that
means today the village we've 

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identified it with today is 
What's called nicopolis? 

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So you can go to nicopolis today
and see what we think are the 

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ruins of Emmaus. 
So it's 18 miles to the 

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northwest of West of Jerusalem. 
This is probably their Hometown.

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The disciples are probably 
walking, they're going home from

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Jerusalem, if it's 18 miles. 
Then this is certainly a few 

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hours worth of walking to get 
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So they're on the road they're 
talking together about all that 

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happened and we later get a 
summary of what all those things

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So they're on the road from 
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Jesus himself came up and walked
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So, he sort of appears out of 
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of he doesn't just miraculously 
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I guess he sort of walks up 
behind them here, but something 

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prevented them from recognizing 
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The text says Their Eyes Were 
kept from recognizing him. 

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So either he's appearing in a 
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Jesus looks different and that's
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maybe there's some sort of 
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text seems to hint that, that 
might be the case that God has 

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supernaturally, blinded the two 
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recognize Jesus and God has done
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So that later on in the story, 
there's a certain moment when 

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God can lift can lift the 
blindness at a specific moment. 

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He wants to reveal himself, 
Jesus does in the breaking of 

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the bread. 
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Jesus asks the disciples What 
matters are you discussing? 

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As he walk along? 
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answer to this but as he often 
does, he wants to start the 

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conversation and he wants it to 
lead to a teaching opportunity. 

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They stopped short their faces 
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So the disciples are genuinely 
sad and confused about what's 

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going on in their lives. 
At the moment Verse 18, one of 

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them named cleopas. 
Now not sure exactly who this 

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clearpass is. 
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woman according to John Chapter 
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One of the women at the foot of 
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wife of clopas. 
So, if this clopas is the same 

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as this clearpass, then that 
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married, but it's not entirely 
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Whether clopas in clearpass, 
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The other disciple isn't named. 
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of them. 
So Cleopatra says to Jesus, you 

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must be the only person staying 
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the things that have been 
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These last few days. 
So lots of people were staying 

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in Jerusalem for the Passover 
and apparently by now, everyone 

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has heard what's been going on 
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Jesus says what things and some 
here, detect that, maybe Jesus 

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has a bit of a sense of humor 
because, of course, he knows 

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what's going on. 
But he says to them, what things

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so clear paths now goes on to 
summarize, all of Jesus life and

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everything that's been happening
in the last few days and here's 

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what he says all about. 
Jesus of Gareth who proved he 

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was a great prophet by the 
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sight of God and of the whole 
people and how our chief priests

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and our leaders handed him over 
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had him crucified. 
Our own hope had been that he 

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would be the one to set Israel. 
Free. 

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And this is not all two whole 
days have gone by, since it all 

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happened, and some women from 
our group of astounded us, they 

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went to the Tomb in the early 
morning, and when they did not 

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find the body, they came back to
tell us, they had seen a vision 

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of angels who declared It was 
alive. 

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Some of our friends, went to the
tomb and found everything 

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exactly as the women have 
reported, but have him, they saw

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nothing. 
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They give Jesus. 
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in this summary is when they say
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would be the one to set Israel 
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So that the disciples are 
suspecting that Jesus is the 

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Messiah, but in their view, as 
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believed the Messiah would be a 
political leader, who would 

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overthrow the Romans. 
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would be the one who had set 
Israel free there. 

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Thinking that Messiah would be a
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Who would free the Land of 
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Now the fact that they recognize
that Jesus is the Messiah is the

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key to understanding what Jesus 
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And by the way that's the reason
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had thought that Jesus was going
to gloriously save Israel from 

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the Romans and because he didn't
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which they didn't expect, that's
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Verse 25, Jesus says to them, 
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Now that might seem to be quite 
harsh words but they're mostly 

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words of disappointment as well.
See he's disappointed that they 

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didn't understand how the 
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he says to them, you are so slow
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the prophets, was it not 
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suffer and so enter into his 
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Notice Jesus says, you don't 
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prophets so they know some of 
the profits but They didn't 

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understand the full message, so 
Jesus says to them and this is 

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important. 
He says that if they really knew

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their Old Testament particularly
the prophets, they would know 

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that the Christ or the Messiah 
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order to become glorified. 
This still applies to Jews 

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today. 
I Think Jesus would say the same

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to Jewish people today who don't
believe Jesus is the Messiah. 

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He would say, if you knew your 
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that the Messiah is going to 
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Verse 27. 
Luke says, then starting with 

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Moses and going through all the 
prophets, he explained to them 

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the passages throughout the 
scriptures that were about 

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himself. 
So Jesus on this long road to 

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Emmaus, this probably takes a 
couple of hours. 

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He goes through the entire Old 
Testament, explaining all of the

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passages which discussed the 
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The goal, he Jesus is telling 
them this because he wants these

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two men. 
The two disciples to see that. 

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Actually it makes sense that the
Messiah has to suffer That's 

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what he wants them to see. 
Is that really the Old 

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Testament? 
Says the Messiah is going to 

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suffer now that's one, Bible 
study. 

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That I would love to be a part 
of its a Bible study that Jesus 

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gives them. 
Jesus not only identifies, the 

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key Old Testament prophecies 
about the Messiah but apparently

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he also explains them to the two
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So unfortunately, we don't have 
this sermon of Jesus recorded. 

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We don't know what passages he 
talks about here, but probably a

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lot of the same passages that 
the apostles use later in the 

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book of Acts to prove that Jesus
is the Messiah. 

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There's some from Genesis, some 
from Psalm, some from Isaiah. 

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So this is a long Bible study, 
probably would have taken a 

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couple of hours until they reach
Emmaus. 

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Now keep in mind the two 
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They don't recognize that it's 
Jesus. 

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There's just this guy giving 
them this amazing Bible study. 

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Verse 28, when they drew near to
the Village to which they were 

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going he made as if to go on. 
So Jesus indicates that he's 

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going to keep walking verse 29 
but they pressed him to stay 

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with them. 
So the disciples. 

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The two men have probably 
probably become quite 

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enlightened by this man from his
knowledge of the scriptures and 

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they want to stay with him. 
In fact, the Greek here suggests

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that it they strongly insisted 
that he stay. 

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They say it is nearly evening 
and the day is day is almost 

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over. 
So probably it's about 5 p.m. or

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6 p.m. now. 
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feeding of the five thousand. 
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feeding of the 5,000 users, very
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appear and disappear at will. 
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resurrected body gives him the 
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Jerusalem. 
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leave a mayor said, around 6:30 
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they're in a room somewhere in 
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just a general word, that's used
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those who are with them. 
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They say yes it is true. 
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to Simon. now, that's 
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left before they left for Emmaus
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apostles and the disciples 
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resurrected. 
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the evening, they've changed 
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Something has happened to them, 
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resurrected and we find out what
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It's because, as they say here, 
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narrated in any of the Gospels. 
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of Jesus. 
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the one we're looking at here, 
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Emmaus. 
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then the fourth appearance is 
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little more information about it
from Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 

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verse 5 he mentions this 
appearance Why does Jesus 

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appeared to Peter first and not 
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take up the leadership and to 
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it's real, that Jesus has really
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Jesus command that he gave 
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Remember when he said to Peter, 
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strengthen the others after 
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He runs back to the other 
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the apostles believe it's real. 
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their story of what had happened
on the road and how they had 

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recognized, Jesus at the 
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So they tell the eleven what 
they experienced and notice they

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say clearly we recognize Jesus 
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disciples recognize Jesus in the
breaking of the bread is because

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maybe he still has his holes in 
his hands. 

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I think that's pretty unlikely. 
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if that was the case, it's much 
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recognize the reason they 
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sense that he's doing a 
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them and we'll talk more about 
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Because tomorrow's episode, we 
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verse for a in tomorrow is our 
gospel really start at verse 35.

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So, we'll look then at what it 
means to say that they recognize

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Jesus at the breaking of the 
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So, let's take a look at some 
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How does the Catholic Church 
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How does it inform their 
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Well, there's a whole heap of 
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catechism references to this, 
passage from Luke chapter 24 and

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a lot of them are very similar 
to other ones. 

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We've looked at in recent days 
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Resurrection. 
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of the ones that are really 
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language. 
They use ones that really 

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clearly refer to what goes on. 
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1094 it says on this, the 
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rests, that the Paschal 
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and then that of the Apostles 
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this catechesis unveils what lay
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Old Testament. 
The mystery of Christ it is 

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called typological because it 
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the basis of the figures or 
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the Deeds were And symbols of 
the first Covenant by this 

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rereading in the spirit of 
Truth. 

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Starting from Christ, the 
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understand the Old Testament, we
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Christ and that's exactly what 
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the road to Emmaus. 
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Testament, All Points towards 
Christ paragraph. 1347 is a 

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discussion about how the mass 
has changed or rather hasn't 

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changed throughout the ages. 
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movement as the Paschal meal of 
the Risen Jesus with his 

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disciples walking with them. 
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Through them sitting with them 
at table, he took bread blessed 

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it and broke it and gave it to 
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So essentially the church 
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to Emmaus, Jesus, first, 
explained the scriptures through

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them. 
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meal with them, which is the 
same format of the mass we have 

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today. 
It's the format that Jesus gave 

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us Paragraph. 
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here to the Eucharist as well, 
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bread. 
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show notes and about Jesus 
glorified body, and then we get 

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to paragraph, 6, 43, which is 
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testimonies Christ's 
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interpreted as something outside
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impossible not to acknowledge it
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Is clear from the facts that the
disciples Faith was drastically.

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Put to the test by their masters
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which he had foretold the shock 
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great that at least some of the 
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believed in the news of the 
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showing us a community sees, by 
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present us with disciples 
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frightened for they had not 
believe the Women returning from

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the tomb and had regarded their 
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When Jesus reveals himself to 
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upbraided them for their 
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because they had not believed 
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risen. 
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everything that takes place here
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What? 
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there, right at the start at 
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impossible. 
Not to acknowledge the 

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resurrection as As a historical 
fact, we don't talk about that 

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enough. 
That is the church's teaching. 

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Paragraph, 43, 9 talks about the
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views about the Messiah at the 
time of Jesus. 

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Paragraph 601, says, signing a 
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himself received st. 
Paul professes. 

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That Christ died for our sins in
accordance with the scriptures 

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in particular. 
Jesus. 

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Redemptive death fulfills 
Isaiah's prophecy of the 

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suffering servant. 
Indeed Jesus himself explained 

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the meaning of his life and 
death in the light of God's 

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suffering servant. after his 
resurrection, he gave this 

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interpretation of the scriptures
to the disciples at Emmaus and 

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then to the apostles Paragraph 
572 is in the section about 

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Jesus Christ, suffered under 
Pontius Pilate, so it's a 

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commentary on the Creed. 
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remains faithful to the 
interpretation of all the 

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scriptures that Jesus gave both 
before. 

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And after his Passover was it 
not necessary that the Christ 

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should suffer these things and 
enter into his glory. 

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So there you hear that quote 
from Luke chapter 24, And then 

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the last one will look at today 
is paragraph 6 41, which is in 

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the section again about the 
appearances after Jesus 

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resurrection it says, thus the 
women were the first messengers 

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of Christ's Resurrection for the
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They were the next to whom Jesus
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Peter had been called to 
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brothers. 
And so the sees the Risen one 

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before them it is on the basis 
of his See that the community 

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exclaims, the Lord has risen 
indeed and has appeared to 

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Simon. 
So remember here in Luke chapter

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24 that we hear about this 
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and that's what gets narrated in
paragraph 6 for one of the 

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catechism. 
So all of these 

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post-resurrection appearances, 
greatly inform the Catholic 

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faith. 
And there's so many catechism 

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references because we need to 
understand what the resurrection

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means. 
And so the catechism spends a 

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lot of time. 
I'm trying help Catholics 

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understand what the significance
of it is and the things that 

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Jesus says like on the road to 
Emmaus. 

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That's the end of today's 
podcast. 

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