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Hi everyone, welcome back to our
podcast, where we take a look at

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the Gospel reading from today's 
mass and we're all about doing 

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exegesis year. 
So that's the level of Bible 

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analysis where we really get 
into the text itself, the 

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literal sense of the text. 
What was the Gospel author, 

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trying to communicate to his 
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That's the level. 
We want to focus on here, rather

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than going into Systematic 
Theology, or how it applies. 

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Today. 
In this podcast, we want to 

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focus on the ground level stuff.
What does it mean? 

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On the literal sense? 
Which is where we should always 

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start, according to the teaching
of the Catholic church. 

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So today we're looking at, Mark 
8:34, through 9:1. 

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Jesus called the people and his 
disciples to him and said if 

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anyone wants to be a follower of
mine, let him renounce himself 

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and take up his cross and follow
me. 

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For anyone who wants to save his
life will lose it, but anyone 

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who loses his life for my sake 
and for the sake of the Gospel 

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will save it. 
What game then is it for a man 

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to win the whole world and ruin 
his life? 

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And indeed, what can a man offer
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For if anyone in this adulterous
and sinful generation is ashamed

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of me. 
And of my words, the son of man 

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will also be ashamed of him when
he comes in the glory of his 

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father with the Holy Angels. 
And he said to them, I tell you 

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solemnly there are some standing
here who will not taste death 

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before they see the kingdom of 
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Come with power. 
So, once again, are quite 

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well-known passage here, Jesus 
has some quite strong words to 

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use. 
So let's think about the 

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context, what's just happened? 
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the apostles that he's going to 
die. 

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And remember Peter said, no 
Lord, you won't die. 

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And he rebuked him for it. 
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you are speaking in the ways of 
men not in the ways of God. 

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So he's explained that he is 
going to suffer. 

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And he now goes on to explain to
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share in his Suffering if they 
become his followers. 

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So verse 34, at the start here, 
Jesus called the people and his 

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disciples to him. 
Notice, this is not a private 

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message for the disciples. 
It's an invitation to the entire

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crowd. 
He's actually about to speak 

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quite openly to the crowd up to.
Now in the gospel of Mark, has 

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been fairly cryptic in his 
Parables when he's been talking 

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to the crowds, but now it's 
going to be quite open. 

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So he says to the crowds, if 
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mine. 
So in that culture, it was quite

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common for Jews to pick a rabbi 
to follow if they like the 

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preaching of someone they would 
follow them. 

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So Jesus says, if you want to be
my follower, now notice the 

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language here, if you want to be
a follower. 

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So this implies what he goes on 
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excetera. 
Etc. 

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So Jesus is saying that it's not
automatic. 

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It's not, you're not born into 
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As a cultural thing. 
Jesus is Asking for a radical 

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decision. 
If you want to be a follower of 

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mine, then you must do these 
things. 

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And it's quite a radical 
decision as well. 

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See he says If anyone wants to 
be a follower of mine, let him 

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renounce himself. 
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legal term, which signifies 
complete disarmament, so it's 

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not just like a ceremonial 
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I renounce myself in that 
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renounce was a complete 
disarmament. 

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So Jesus, here does not mean as 
we often hear in sermons just to

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let go of selfishness and 
attachment. 

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It probably does imply that as 
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context, he's talking about it. 
Radical complete abandonment to 

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him, even to the point of being 
willing up to willing to give up

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your life. 
He says, He must take up his 

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cross and follow me. 
So when Jesus says, take up his 

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cross, we need to remember. 
Jesus wasn't the first person 

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ever to be crucified in the 
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They were quite familiar with 
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The Romans killed Jews, pretty 
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So, Jesus audience would have 
been quite familiar with this 

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idea of picking up your big 
heavy cross and carrying it 

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through the town. 
It was quite a gruesome quite 

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quite a gruesome image and no 
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No. 
I wanted to take up their cross.

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So what does Jesus mean? 
When he says to take up your 

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cross he probably means. 
You need to be willing to make 

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sacrifices and bear, heavy 
burdens just as I am. 

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He says, follow me, follow me 
and take up your cross. 

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So Jesus says his followers, 
must be willing, not only to 

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follow him in Miracles and 
things like that. 

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But also to experience suffering
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suffering, So, the main point 
Jesus is said so far, he's been 

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trying to communicate to his 
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Is that discipleship? 
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radical Demands a Demands, a 
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He now introduces the language 
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So he says, anyone who wants to 
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could have a couple of different
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for life is psyche. 
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Or maybe both depending on how 
he intended, the word psyche, to

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be understood. 
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about physical life as in his 
the warning against denying him 

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at the point of death. 
Anyone who wishes to save his 

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life, you can imagine someone at
the point of the sword wanting 

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to save their life. 
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He says those people will lose 
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One has to be willing up 
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physical life to be a disciple 
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And we know that many in the 
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They had to be willing to give 
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their faith. 
And Jesus might feel for seeing 

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that. 
He could also mean it in a more,

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Something like this his warning 
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self-protection. 
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just attached to worldly things 
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that's It's going to lead to 
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either physical life. 
If you try and preserve your 

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physical life, you're going to 
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preserve worldliness and 

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selfishness in your own life, 
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The consequence is the same. 
Either way if you don't follow 

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the right principle here, you 
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Notice this is a teaching that 
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Obviously, that's developed in 
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But Jesus, here is saying that, 
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are certain things you have to 
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He then goes on anyone who loses
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sake of the Gospel. 
So, Jesus here is probably 

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referring to people being 
martyred which we know did 

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happen or maybe even. 
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to give up their entire life and
their possessions The only way 

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to preserve oneself is to give 
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So anyone who loses his life, 
for my sake, and the sake of the

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Gospel will save his life. 
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truly preserve your life. 
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is to give oneself away to 
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up your possessions. 
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encompassed in what Jesus is 
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So school is here, would say 
that Jesus demands here, a more 

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radical even than a military 
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Something like that, but not for
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But Jesus, you are saying you 
need to be willing to give up 

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your life for me to follow me. 
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language drawn from Commerce. 
In verse 46, he uses these 

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words, he uses the word profit, 
gain forfeit and exchange, you 

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probably didn't realize. 
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you realize that those four 
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Commerce profit gain forfeit 
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So, Jesus starts by saying, what
gain then is it for a man to win

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the whole world and ruin or 
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So this is a rhetorical 
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Jesus asks to get people 
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question. 
If there was an answer would be 

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none. 
There is no profit in gaining 

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worldly possessions but 
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that's not a profitable thing. 
So Jesus is trying to get the 

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crowds to focus on Eternal 
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things. 
He wants them to recognize that 

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our life is more important than 
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be to say he wants them to 
understand that forfeiting their

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life for a lesser good. 
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So things like, you know worldly
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There's probably some good in 
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them that their life takes 
precedence and they shouldn't 

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forfeit that for a lesser good. 
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offer in exchange for his life? 
So again, it kind of using this 

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commercial transaction language,
but this in particular is 

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probably an illusion to Psalm 
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this truly, no man can Ransom 
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of his life. 
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costly and yet can never suffice
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and never see the pit, So, that 
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says. 
Man can't even offer his life to

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God. 
In order to in order to avoid 

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death, he is going to die one 
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And, you know, as costly as life
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ransom to God and Jesus might be
tapping into that verse when he 

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speaks when he speaks these 
words because certainly his 

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Jewish readers would have been 
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Never 38, Jesus starts with an 
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So that tips us off that Jesus 
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just given this teaching, what's
the overall point he wants to 

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make his about to tell us He 
says if anyone in this 

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adulterous and sinful 
generation, so pretty scathing 

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words, but he's talking about 
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Jesus is speaking to at the 
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This generation the one he's 
talking to similar, 

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denunciations are made against 
the Israelites in the Old 

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Testament. 
He says, if anyone in this 

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adulterous and sinful generation
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So, probably the basic idea is 
those in that generation who 

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hear Jesus and reject him, who 
don't accept him, the son of man

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will be ashamed of him. 
So Jesus says, Those Who reject 

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Jesus in this generation on job 
on Judgement Day, the Messiah or

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son of man will reject them. 
The fact that Jesus says, anyone

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who is ashamed of me? 
And my words, the son of man 

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will be ashamed of him. 
Jesus is probably implying to 

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the crowds that he's the 
Messiah, that's the connection. 

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He wants them to make. 
He is the son of man who's 

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talking about. 
When he come and Jesus goes on 

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when he comes in the glory of 
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So on the day that he comes with
his father with the glory of the

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Holy Angels on that day. 
If anyone had been ashamed of 

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Jesus in that generation, then 
the son of man will be ashamed 

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of him. 
So, when he says the in the 

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glory of his father with the 
Holy Angels, it's probably a 

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reference to the second coming. 
So where we have that language 

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of coming with the angels, most 
likely he's talking about The 

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second coming which hasn't 
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So Jesus saying that on Judgment
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his own generation hurt, who 
heard about Jesus, but chose to 

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reject him will be rejected by 
God, so he's kind of reinforcing

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his original teaching, which is 
that if you don't lay down your 

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life and follow Jesus, you won't
inherit eternal life. 

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Notice how that's the same point
he was making earlier on, but 

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now he's making more graphic is 
saying that on Judgment day, you

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will be rejected by God. 
So Jesus wants the crowds to put

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things in perspective. 
Yes, there's things in their 

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life that they're concerned 
about but one day there will be 

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a judgment day and Jesus is 
calling for a radical decision. 

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Interestingly, this is the first
time Jesus makes reference to 

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his father in The Gospel of Mark
when he says he comes in the 

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glory of his father. 
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Mark, the uses the word father. 
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Continuing Jesus said to them, 
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amen. 
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I say to you or verily, verily, 
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important. 
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some standing here who will not 
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kingdom of God. 
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Our. 
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death before they see the 
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speaking, the kingdom of God had
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Jesus but it would not visibly 
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answers to when Jesus is talking
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kingdom of God come in power, 
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because that's the very next 
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of Mark, some might say, 
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perhaps in context, he's talking
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Resurrection, but I don't think 
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why so who will not taste death 
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Talking. 
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necessarily, I think the best 
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kingdom of God comes with power,
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When just the temple was 
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publicly Vindicated, and the 
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evident for their general 
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publicly manifested and to 70 
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the destruction of the Temple. 
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Fulfillment of the event. 
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Jesus, he is prophesying that 
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during the lifetime of some, but
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So, I want to finish here, as I 
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the Catholic commentary on 
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of Mark. 
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Jesus would have hit home for 
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Rome for some of whom taking up 
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that the self-denial and a 
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prepares us to enter his glory. 
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derision from the world, how 
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soft-pedal the gospel in order 
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Correctness of the age, the 
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Christianity into something more
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up in Jesus challenge to Peter. 
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does, but as human beings do, So
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context. 
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persecuted in Rome, but it 
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Should hit home for us today, is
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Develop teachings? 

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Based on Mark chapter 8, There's
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references here. 
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which is in the discussion 
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flesh? 
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the Beatitudes and the norm of 
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Love one. 
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this love implies an effective 
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example. 
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that Echo is Mark chapter 8, 
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to offer up ourselves and follow
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There's also a reference to it 
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Interestingly, in paragraph 1615
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We hear this by coming to 
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creation, disturbed by sin. 
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and Grace Till they've marriage 
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reign of God, it is by following
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and taking up their crosses that
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the original meaning of marriage
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With the help of Christ. 
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to Christians who are trying to 
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that by taking up their crosses 
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blessings and receive the 
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with the help of Christ. 
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says, Jesus in Joins his 
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everything and everyone and bids
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And that there is in the section
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Poverty of heart or to give our 
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So, I'll put those catechism 
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As always, hopefully you enjoyed
today's podcast and please tune 

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in again tomorrow.