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Hi everyone. 
This is the podcast where we as 

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Catholics take a look at the 
Gospel reading, which we were 

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here in the massive today, and 
the aim of this podcast is to 

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help you understand the context,
what is, what were the words, 

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meaning in the original context,
what was the author trying to 

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get at? 
So that's called looking at the 

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literal sense. 
Some of the text and today the 

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passage we're looking at. 
If you go to Mass is from John 

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chapter, 21, verses 15 to 19. 
So let's start by reading out 

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that whole passage. 
Jesus showed himself to his 

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disciples. 
And after they had eaten, he 

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said to Simon Peter, Simon, son 
of John. 

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Do you love me? 
More than these others do? 

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He answered. 
Yes Lord you know I love you. 

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Jesus said to him, feed my 
Lambs. 

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A second time he said to him 
Simon son of John. 

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Do you love me? 
He replied yes. 

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Lord you know I love you. 
Jesus said to him look after my 

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sheep. 
Then he said to him a third 

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time. 
Simon son of John. 

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Do you love me? 
Peter was upset that he asked 

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him, the third time, do you love
me and said Lord, you know 

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everything, you know, I love 
you. 

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Jesus said to him, feed my 
sheep. 

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I tell you most solemnly when 
you were young you put on your 

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own belt and walked where you 
liked but when you grow old you 

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will stretch out your hands and 
somebody else will put a belt 

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around you and take you where 
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In these words he indicated the 
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would Glory would give glory to 
God. 

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After this, he said, follow me. 
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would have heard this passage. 
And perhaps, you've heard this 

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idea that when Jesus says, do 
you love me the three different 

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times? 
There's different Greek words 

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used and that that has some sort
of significance in terms of the 

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kind of love Jesus is asking 
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We'll talk about that theory 
because it's quite a popular 

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one, but it may not be correct. 
But as always, let's start by 

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talking about the context, we're
in John chapter 21 which is the 

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final chapter of the Gospel of 
John. 

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By analogies is has risen from 
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And he's already appeared to the
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At the start of chapter 21, the 
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Galilee waiting for Jesus to 
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He told them to meet him at the 
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told them when exactly he's 
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So, they decide to go fishing 
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And all of a sudden he appears 
on the shore and he cook some 

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breakfast. 
So Jesus, Peter realizes that 

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Jesus is on the shore and he 
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Jesus. 
So you can hear that particular 

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Gospel reading on Easter Friday 
every year. 

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So the Friday following Easter, 
and it's also on the third 

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Sunday of Easter in a year C, 
and it's well worth reading that

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passage because of the 
conversation, that they will 

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having the apostles amongst 
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Elves leads directly into the 
conversation that we see today. 

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Now there is a church if you go 
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There is a church which 
commemorates this scene, the 

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conversation between Jesus and 
Peter and it's called The Church

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of the Primacy of Saint Peter 
and it's right there on the 

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shoreline and in fact the altar 
there's a big rock at the altar 

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there and that is believed to be
the very spot where Jesus cooked

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the breakfast. 
So it's well worth going to see 

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and it really does help give you
some context for what this 

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conversation might have looked 
like, now, this text we're 

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looking at along with Matthew 16
where Jesus says on this A rock.

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I will build my church. 
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which the Vatican one Council 
used to support the teaching 

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that Jesus made Peter, the first
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So this conversation, we're 
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significant in terms of Peters 
roll verse 15 after they had 

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eaten. 
So Jesus has just cooked them 

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breakfast. 
And this probably would have 

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been quite a joyful meal, a 
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they're not 100% sure if it's 
Jesus. 

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But also joyful in Why? 
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for him to appear for quite some
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He said to Simon Peter. 
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the conversation which is 
interesting because at this 

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point Peter is still kind of, 
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with Jesus, because he denied 
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hasn't been reconciled yet. 
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initiative that shows his mercy 
and concern for Peter, even 

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though Peter is still still 
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Remember the last time Jesus had
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Peter was before Jesus? 
Death, and Jesus predicted that 

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Peter would portray him three 
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The conversation that we're 
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repairing the damage that was 
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repairing, the damage that Peter
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Jesus, three times what we'll 
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Is that Jesus is Calling Peter 
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This conversation is a call for 
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Jesus and to repent and to come 
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Peter takes up this call, it's 
effectively restoring Peter's 

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place as the leader of the It's 
rain stating him as the leader 

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and the way, we know that that's
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there is a connection between 
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Jesus, three times and this 
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interesting features. 
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Peter denies, Jesus three times 
and here he's going to affirm 

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Jesus three times. 
Also, this is interesting Peter 

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denied, Jesus near a charcoal 
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And you can see that in chapter 
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that's when Peter denies Jesus 
and here in this scene, they're 

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having breakfast over a charcoal
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And also Jesus calls Peter 
Simon, which is interesting 

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because not all the time, but 
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After Matthew 16, the fact that 
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Simon indicates that Jesus is 
deliberately using his old name,

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because he's still in that kind 
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was before, he was promoted to 
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So it's like he's out of Far 
with Jesus, but by the end of 

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the conversation, he kind of 
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seems to be the idea of the way,
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So here verse 15, Jesus calls, 
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of Jonah. 
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That's his father's name. 
Do you love me? 

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More than these others do? 
Now, that's an interesting 

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question to ask Peter. 
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means, although love can have 
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the word, that's used generally 
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Love means want to serve and do 
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Jesus is asking Peter, do you 
want to serve and do good for me

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more than the other Apostles do 
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It's a question. 
Are you worthy to be the leader 

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of the Apostles? 
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going to have to want to do good
for Jesus more than the other 

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Apostles are. 
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that Peter has said about 
himself earlier, Peter earlier 

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had claimed that he would never 
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Even if the other Apostles do 
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26:30? 
3, Peter said I will never leave

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you. 
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seeing. 
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notice that Peters Primacy is 
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this. 
This is a question for Peter. 

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Jesus wants Peter to be restored
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That's not even questioned. 
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In fact, pretty much no one in 
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Questioned that Peter was in 
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Apostles. 
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first time. 
Yes, Lord, you know I love you. 

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Now notice Peter, doesn't 
actually answer the question 

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directly. 
The question was remember, do 

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you love me more than these 
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And Peter says yes Lord, you 
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So maybe Peters thinking while 
look Jesus, I don't know if I 

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love you more than the others 
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But at least I know that I do 
love you, perhaps that's what 

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Peter's thinking. 
Peter is probably also quite 

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confused by the question because
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son of God. 
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can read his mind and that Jesus
would actually already know if 

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Peter loves him or not. 
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Jesus, why are you asking me 
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You already know the answer to 
the question, which indicates 

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that Jesus is not seeking 
information because he can get 

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whatever information he wants. 
He's giving an opportunity to 

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Peter to be reinstated. 
Now, Jesus is about to start 

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using the language of sheep and 
lambs and it's worth pointing 

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out. 
Why Jesus does that remember in 

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the parable of the Good Shepherd
in chapter 10 and in that 

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particular scene, Jesus is 
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And the Sheep. 
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It's Jesus followers. 
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away, so he can't physically be 
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Sheep anymore. 
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sheep, his followers to other 
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Keep in mind that being a 
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work. 
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easy job, it requires commitment
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And effectively what he's doing 
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he's ready for the challenge of 
tending, the sheep and this 

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language of religious leaders 
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quite common in the Old 
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You can see it in second. 
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later in 1 Peter 5 as well 
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God's people are depicted as a 
shepherd Birds now, because here

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we're saying that Peter is going
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After Jesus has gone back to 
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That does not detract from Jesus
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Shepherd, in fact, Peter, even 
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5 chapter 4, Peter calls Jesus, 
the chief Shepherd. 

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And so, even though Peter is the
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He Shepherd nurse derives from 
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So after Peters response is yes,
Lord, you know, I love you. 

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Jesus says feed my Lambs. 
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context, when Jesus says feed my
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that you love me, Peter go feed 
my Lambs, so it's a command to 

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Peter as the future leader of 
the Apostles to look after and 

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protect Christian. 
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it's a command. 
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Some people have tried to make 
some significance out of the 

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fact that Jesus uses the word 
Lambs here and then later 

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transitions to sheep and there 
could be But there probably 

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isn't, as we'll see verse 16. 
Jesus is now going to ask the 

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same question of second and a 
third time we need to keep in 

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mind though that it might not 
have been straightaway. 

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There might have been some small
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continue to eat breakfast. 
At some point. 

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It appears that Jesus and Peter 
got up and started walking away.

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They're having a private 
conversation but even then there

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could be some small talk in 
between. 

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But eventually Jesus says Verse 
16 a second time, he said to 

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him, Simon son of John. 
Do you love me? 

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Notice, this is a slightly 
different question. 

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It would appear the first time 
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the other Apostles now, it's 
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Do you love me? 
She Peters response. 

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It's the exact same response. 
He gave the first time. 

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Yes. 
Lord, you know, I love you. 

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So Jesus says look after my 
sheep. 

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So, the word sheep is, used this
time verse 17, then he said to 

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him a third time. 
Simon son of John, do you love 

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me? 
This is the same as the 

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question. 
He asked the second time this 

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time, it says, Peter was upset 
that he asked him, the third 

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time. 
Do you love me? 

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So Peter is still upset that 
Jesus still doesn't is Pete a 

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Jesus still isn't confident that
Peter loves him. 

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And so Peter says this time Lord
you know everything, you know, I

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love you. 
Jesus already knows this, so 

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Peter is wondering why he keeps 
asking Lord, you know 

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everything, you know, I love 
you. 

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So Jesus said to him, feed my 
sheep. 

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Now I different word, here is 
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was used this second time, the 
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look after the Sheep. 
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sheep. 
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Peter that he wants Peter to 
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pope and he's effectively the 
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God on Earth. 
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Matthew chapter 16, there's some
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on there. 
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You can go back and have a look 
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to find the Matthew 16 Passage 
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ministership derives, its energy
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Jesus. 
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everything. 
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Greek words that are used here. 
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times, do you love me? 
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deal out of the different Greek 
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something going on here. 
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translation. 
So, Jesus would not have spoken 

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different, Greek words. 
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but for whatever reason, John 
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Greek words for love throughout 
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So for the first and second, 
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time, he questions, Peter, Jesus
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Do you love me with God's love? 
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Peter. 
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know, I love you all three times
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question, a different Greek word
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between these different Greek 
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If Jesus asked the first and 
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A me. 
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responding with. 
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ET filio you. 
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says, do you feel you owe me? 
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you. 
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eventually realizes that Peter 
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So in the end he says, okay well
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Will do you phileo me, Peter? 
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Theory as in Jesus kind of 
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of Love by the end of the 
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That is possible. 
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Aramaic, not Greek. 
And there's probably a different

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reason why John has chosen to 
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We know that throughout the 
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verbs, interchangeably, filet 
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them as synonyms, for example. 
Jesus love for Lazarus in 

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chapter 11. 
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It says that Jesus has a Gap, a 
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love for Lazarus. 
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verse 3 and verse 5 and also 
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Father's, Love For The Sea. 
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would expect it to be a go pay 
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Sun, but in 5:20, filho is used 
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Feel you're in a group, a are 
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Love For Jesus disciples in 
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So what's going on here? 
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as synonyms and so he's just 
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words as part of his translation
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become clunky and repetitive. 
So it appears that John is just 

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using He has chosen to use 
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as a stylistic feature. 
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redundancy when translating from
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sheep and Lambs In this passage,
there's probably Jesus probably 

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would have used the same Aramaic
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just decided to use different 
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sentences seem a bit more 
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So I think that's probably 
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I don't think there is any 
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to use different Greek words 
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Although that is certainly an 
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come to your own conclusions. 
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conversation about love. 
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addressed to Peter and that 
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denial, all three times Peter 
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Jesus reinstates him as the 
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He does not hold Peters past 
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they were. 
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basically helped Jesus be put to
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That's incredible forgiveness, 
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forgiveness is available to all 
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Jesus down in different ways. 
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sacred scripture summarizes. 
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same dynamics of repentance and 
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disciples for Peter is still a 
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of the sins we have committed 
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The love. 
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greater. 
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to return to him. 
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confidence that when we seek 
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forgives us completely and 
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beautifully taught. 
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us. 
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with a contrite heart, Now there
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Verse 19 the so he's reinstated 
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Jesus is now going to tell Peter
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and there's some interesting 
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Here once again he says to 
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when you were young, you put on 
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metaphor. 
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people are like when they're 
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to move around without 
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own decisions, they can do what 
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much what Peter has been doing 
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Jesus goes on. 
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stretch out your hands and 
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around you and take you, where 
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So on the primary level, Jesus 
appears to be saying something 

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like this to Peter, one day, you
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That will be the most basic 
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You have lived quite a 
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in your denial of me. 
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others. 
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a particular Vice. 
The Peter has and he's telling 

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him to keep it in mind and it's 
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Peter you will need to keep your
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That is perhaps one thing that 
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author. 
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intended a second meaning, when 
he says when you grow old, you 

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will stretch out your hands and 
somebody else will put a belt 

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around you and take you where 
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Peterson. 
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The kind of death by which Peter
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Now Jesus, by this point in the 
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that Peter would one day follow 
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Would one day follow Jesus to 
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That's in 13:36 and now Jesus 
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How his death is going to 
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Although the word crucified 
isn't used here that is 

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certainly implied. 
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Peter was actually killed by 
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He was crucified upside Side 
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chose to be, he said, I don't 
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way as Jesus. 
So put me upside down, instead 

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that's what the tradition tells 
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So John says, that that is an 
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intended by. 
When you grow old, you will 

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stretch out your hands and 
somebody else will put a belt 

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around you and take you, where 
you would rather not go and 

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that's an important lesson to us
as as we look at the literal 

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sense of the text. 
Not all the time, we shouldn't 

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over analyzer, but sometimes 
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where he means two things at 
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So, there are two literal senses
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And that's certainly what 
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Jesus chose words, that meant 
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Now, there is a link here to the
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Just as Jesus, the Good 
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his sheep as we saw in chapter 
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Sure, as the new Shepherd which 
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to do the same when he dies. 
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Peter is going to have to make a
great sacrifice for the Sheep 

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when he lays down his life, even
though he may not want to 

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According To Jesus. 
Through Peters willing 

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crucifixion, which he chose, he 
will cause people to be pointed 

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back to God. 
And that would make sense here 

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because John says Peter's death 
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So Peter's death will cause 
people watching Peter's death to

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be pointed back to God. 
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martyr, which is what Peter was,
is derived from the same word 

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that's used for witness, which 
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John says in these words he 
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which Peter would give glory to 
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So that's the second meaning of 
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Now, did Peter know that, that 
that's what Jesus meant, it 

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appears. 
He does because in verse 21 

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which will look at tomorrow, it 
seems that Peter does 

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understand. 
That Jesus is prophesying. 

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Peter's death, maybe John didn't
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At the time though, probably 
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that was Peters. 
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Ian with the guidance of the 
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Remember in the farewell 
discourse, Jesus had 

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specifically promised that the 
holy spirit will give the 

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apostles the ability to 
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Jesus words, which is apparently
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Now, there's some interesting 
information in this verse which 

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relates to the dating of the 
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talking about the crucifixion of
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So many have felt that the fact 
that John adds this phrase like 

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he talks about this phrase 
indicates that Peter must have 

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died by this time because what 
it says here is here Jesus 

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indicated, the kind of death by 
which Peter would glorify God. 

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And that would seem to imply 
that Peter's death has already 

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happened. 
And John is reflecting backwards

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on Jesus words here because He 
now sees are so that's what 

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Jesus meant, because he's now 
seen that. 

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That's how Peter died and that's
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And if that's correct, it would 
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the dating of the Gospel of 
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It would mean that the Gospel of
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death. 
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around a.d. 55 or sorry, 65 or 
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Therefore, if this theory is 
right, and John is indeed 

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reflecting on Peter's death, 
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That means the Gospel of John. 
John must have been written 

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after ad 66. 
However, that's probably not 

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right because many translations 
including our lectionary. 

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Although they put it as they 
make it sound like a past event.

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As if Peter's death has already 
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Doc sack say Doc say is actually
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future tense and so what it 
actually says in Greek here is 

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by this Jesus indicated, the 
kind of death. 

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He shall glorify God with. 
And that's a future tense. 

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So, if that's correct. 
And the Greek does seem to 

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indicate that. 
That's a future tense. 

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Then, John must have written his
gospel prior to Peter's death 

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and that would make the gospel 
prior to a d65. 

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So there's some interesting 
discussions which come out of 

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that. 
You might ask well, if it's the 

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future tense, why do most 
translations put it as past 

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tense? 
And it appears that there's 

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because of translators often 
have a bias. 

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Lots of translators. 
Who work on Bible translations. 

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Think that the Gospel of John 
was written light. 

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That was that that's their 
assumption that they start with.

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And therefore they end up 
translating versus like this in 

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strange ways to make their 
theories about the Gospel of 

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John work. 
And so, you know, that's really 

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getting into the nitty-gritty of
dating and of authorship. 

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In any case we don't this would 
not be a permitted Catholic 

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teaching to say that. 
John is adding purely his own 

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interpretation of Jesus words, 
or Worse. 

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We don't want to say that. 
John is putting words in Jesus 

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mouth. 
That would not be within the 

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scope of Catholic teaching. 
John here is being enlightened 

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by the Holy Spirit to understand
Jesus intended, meaning of words

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that Jesus really did say, And 
then Jesus goes on and says, 

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after this. 
He said, follow me. 

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So that's Jesus. 
Final instruction to P, do 

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follow me. 
If Peter can get that right, 

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everything else will fall into 
place. 

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When speaking about his own 
death, Jesus says whoever serves

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me must follow me and where I am
there. 

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Also, my servant will my servant
be and that's in 12:26 for Peter

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to serve as the shepherd of 
Jesus sheep. 

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He must follow Jesus. 
Pletely even to the point of 

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laying down his life. 
And we see that in chapter 13 

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verse 37, he must carry out his 
role as Shepherd by imitating 

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Christ. 
The Good Shepherd who lays down 

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his life for the sheep and 
performs the greatest act of 

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Love 15:13. 
So that brings together. 

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Lots of different parts of the 
Gospel of John there. 

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Now, this conversation is not 
over. 

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They'd actually continues in 
tomorrow's election are 

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rereading and they start to 
discuss what they move from 

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discussing Peter to discussing 
John. 

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So we'll look at that in 
tomorrow's reading. 

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Let's read out a few catechism 
paragraphs to finish the a so 

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paragraph, 553 is about the Keys
of the Kingdom. 

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The power of the keys, 
designates authority to govern 

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the house of God, which is the 
Church of Jesus, the Good 

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Shepherd confirms this mandate 
after his resurrection feed, my 

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sheep, the power to bind and 
loose connotes the authority to 

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absolve sins to pronounce 
doctrinal judgments and to make 

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00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,400
disciplinary decisions in the 
church. 

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Jesus entrusted, this authority 
to the church through the 

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ministry of the Apostles, and in
particular through the ministry 

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of Peter. 
The only one to whom he 

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specifically entrusted, the Keys
of the Kingdom paragraph 881. 

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The Lord made Simon alone, whom 
he named Peter, the rock of his 

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church. 
He gave him the keys of his 

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church and instituted him, 
Shepherd of the whole flock. 

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And we see that institution 
here, the office of binding and 

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loosing was given to Peter was 
also assigned to the College of 

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Apostles, United to its head, 
the Pastoral office of Peter. 

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And the other Apostles belongs 
to the church's, very 

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foundation, and is continued by 
the Bishops, under the Primacy 

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of the Pope. 
Paragraph. 14, 29. 

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This is about the call of 
baptized Christians to 

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continually be converted st. 
Peter's conversion. 

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After he had denied his master 
three times Bears, witness to 

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this. 
Jesus look of infinite, Mercy, 

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Drew tears of repentance from 
Peter and after the Lord's 

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Resurrection, a three-fold 
affirmation of love for him. 

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The second conversion also has a
communitarian dimension as it is

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clear in the Lord's call to a 
whole church. 

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ENT. 
So all Christians are called to 

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00:30:22,508 --> 00:30:28,300
repent, from sinning in the same
way that Peter was called by 

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Jesus here. 
Lastly paragraph. 5511 sorry 

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1551 and this is about how 
Christians are united to the 

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head of the body of Christ, 
which is Jesus himself. 

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The priesthood is ministerial 
that office which the Lord 

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committed to the pastures of his
people in the strict sense of 

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the term, a service, it is 
entirely related to Christ and 

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00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:56,800
to men it depends entirely on 
Christ and on his unique 

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priesthood it has been 
instituted for the good of men. 

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The communion of the church, the
sacrament of holy orders, 

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communicates a sacred power, 
which is none. 

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Other than that of Christ. 
The exercise of this Authority 

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must therefore be measured 
against the model of Christ who 

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by love made himself, the least 
and the servant of all the Lord 

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clearly said, the concern for 
his flock was proof of love for 

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him. 
So there's quite a few nice 

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paragraph paragraphs from the 
catechism there which linked to 

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John. 21 today. 
So it has been a bit of a longer

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00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:36,600
podcast because of how important
this passage is in helping us 

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understand Peter and his role 
and also because of different 

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00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:43,000
theories about what's going on 
within the text itself. 

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Hopefully you've found this 
exploration beneficial and 

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you've learned something new. 
If that's the case, please share

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00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,300
this with other people who you 
think would benefit from hearing

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it as well. 
Thanks and we'll continue in 

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John chapter 21 tomorrow.
