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Hi everyone, welcome back to our
daily Gospel exegesis which is 

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Thank you again for tuning in. 
This is a Catholic ministry 

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where we look at the the Bible 
and in particular the Gospel 

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reading from today's Mass, and 
we're giving you the tools to 

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help you dive into the text to 
help you really understand what 

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it means on the literal level. 
Today we're looking at John 

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chapter 3, verses 31 to 36. 
This might be a passage that you

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have never heard before. 
It's one that's not talked about

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that often. 
John the Baptist said to his 

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disciples, he who comes from 
above is above all others. 

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He who was born of the earth is 
earthly himself and speaks in an

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earthly way. 
He who comes from heaven bears 

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witness to the things he has 
seen and heard, even if his 

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testimony is not accepted, 
though all who do accept his 

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testimony are attesting the 
truthfulness of God. 

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Since he whom God has sent 
speaks God's own words, God 

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gives him the Spirit without 
reserve. 

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The Father loves the Son and has
entrusted everything to him. 

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Anyone who believes in the sun 
has eternal life, but anyone who

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refuses to believe in the sun 
will never see life. 

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The anger of God stays on him. 
So it's another quite complex 

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passage from the Gospel of John,
where each phrase is quite 

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densely packed with theological 
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Let's talk about the context. 
Just prior to this, John has 

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been talking to his disciples. 
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group of followers and they come
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about Jesus because they notice 
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people as well. 
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chapter 3 before where we get to
today, John the Baptist says he 

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is the bridegroom. 
I am the friend of the 

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bridegroom. 
He must increase, but I must 

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decrease. 
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has said, and we've looked at 
that at other times in the 

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podcast. 
Our reading today is the very 

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next thing he says. 
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this next bit. 
But there's a bit of a caveat 

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here. 
Our lectionary has these words 

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at the start of our reading 
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If you've got the reading in 
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the first words are John the 
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Now, that's not in the original 
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If you look up John chapter 3 
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It just continues straight into 
He who Comes. 

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So the lectionary translators 
for the Catholic Church have 

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added in that phrase John the 
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help make it clearer what's 
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The problem is it's not entirely
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who is speaking here. 
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original Greek text, there's no 
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It's very hard to see when 
someone starts talking and stops

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talking. 
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Baptist is continuing to speak 
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So it could be a continuation of
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the author, John the Apostle 
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comments. 
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extended description of 
Trinitarian theology from John 

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the Apostle himself. 
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where the apostle John the 
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So let's keep in mind that it's 
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John the Baptist who's 
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disciples, or if it's the 
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just written this stuff down 
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To make it easier, we'll say 
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continuing to speak. 
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So he starts by saying he who 
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the Messiah Jesus and he's 
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And earlier in John chapter 3 we
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heaven, he's from above and he 
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including John the Baptist 
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John and say why is this other 
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He says, well, the Messiah ranks
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He said he wants his disciples 
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It's not a problem. 
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He who is born of the earth is 
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earthly way. 
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talking, he's probably talking 
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I'm earthly whereas the Messiah 
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Although John the Baptist is a 
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not from heaven like Jesus is. 
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apostle John speaking, adding 
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who is of the earth is probably 
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someone who does not accept the 
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from heaven. 
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if that's the case, to change 
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accept Jesus as a Messiah. 
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He who comes from heaven bears 
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seen and heard. 
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from heaven, tells the world of 
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in heaven. 
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information that he's received 
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And this is a big theme in the 
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testimony is not accepted or 
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translations have it as stronger
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No one receives his testimony. 
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to ensure that his disciples are
not deceived by external 

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appearances. 
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accepted, John the Baptist says 
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know this is the Messiah from 
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Even if people aren't accepting 
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his testimony are attesting to 
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Or another translation of verse 
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testimony sets his seal to this,
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they believe in God. 
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connection between believing in 
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truthfulness of God. 
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as a testimony to God himself. 
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further in the next verse 
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this idea of testifying to the 
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since that keyword there is 
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So Jesus is now going to give us
a reason, since he whom God has 

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sent speaks God's own words. 
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words of God the Father. 
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is if one listens to Jesus, 
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If one accepts Jesus, they 
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And that's been a theme even 
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Jesus spoke to Nicodemus. 
God gives him the spirit without

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measure. 
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withhold himself from the Son. 
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theological teaching. 
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discloses himself and His will 
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So that means Jesus, as the 
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will perfectly, and his mission 
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will to others on earth. 
That's what the Messiah is 

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trying to do. 
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in the New Testament that the 
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He has the very nature of God. 
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Son. 
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Son. 
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relationship within the Trinity.
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has indicated that God loves the
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similar kind of love that he has
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All people, all Christians, but 
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Christians are called to hear 
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John and to become a part of 
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relationship if they want to, if
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Messiah, then they can become a 
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relationship that already exists
between the Trinity and has 

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entrusted everything to him or 
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his hand. 
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complete authority to the Son, 
the Son of God. 

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Jesus the Messiah represents God
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He's been given authority to do 
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Verse 36, he who believes in the
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So someone who trusts Jesus the 
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life. 
We've talked about eternal life 

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a bit in this podcast. 
Eternal life means life to the 

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fullest in this life and in the 
next, and in particular refers 

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to deep communion with God 
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Anyone, anyone who refuses to 
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see life. 
So this is sort of the other 

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side of the coin. 
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sun, you'll never see life. 
We looked at this in yesterday's

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podcast in John chapter 3, 
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The teaching here of Jesus and 
of John the Baptist here is 

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those who willingly refuse to 
accept God's messenger, the 

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Messiah, reject God themselves 
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This applies primarily to those 
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listening to Jesus and yet 
rejecting His message, though it

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can be extended to our time as 
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We can't on the one hand say we 
accept God but then reject His 

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messenger. 
That doesn't make sense. 

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If we do that, we forfeit 
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God stays on him. 
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God rests upon him. 
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upon him, not will rest upon 
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So the teaching here is those 
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reject Jesus as the Messiah. 
They reject God and they reject 

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fellowship with him. 
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Jesus as the Messiah, God's 
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That's the teaching here. 
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this state, they would be 
separated from Him for all 

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eternity. 
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extension of whatever your soul 
is in the present moment in this

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life. 
Now the good news is you can 

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change. 
You can change from having God's

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wrath resting upon you to not 
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you. 
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Jesus and believing in Him. 
That's what belief means. 

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Belief means to put your trust 
into something, and in this case

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the Messiah, Jesus. 
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generated a lot of discussion. 
Anyone who refuses to believe in

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the Son will never see life. 
The wrath of God rests upon him.

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Sometimes you'll hear people say
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Testament is judging and mean, 
but the God of the New Testament

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is loving. 
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where in the New Testament where
we have a reference to God being

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angry, the wrath of God. 
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learn is that we cannot separate
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They're both part of God's 
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Similar thinking to this is 
echoed in One Thessalonians and 

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in other places in Paul's 
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God gives people the opportunity
to come to him, but he's never 

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going to force anyone to come to
him. 

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And those who willingly refuse 
to have the wrath of God abiding

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on them, this is part of 
Catholic teaching. 

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That's the end of our passage, 
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The next section of John is John
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Now that doesn't occur. 
Those chapters don't appear in 

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the lectionary at this 
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They are in week 3 and 4 of 
Lent. 

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So we've covered John chapters 
4:00 and 5:00 earlier in the 

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podcast. 
So you can go back and find 

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those episodes. 
John chapter 4 and five from 

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week 3 and 4 of Lent. 
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first four chapters of John 
chapter 4, so John chapter 4 

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verses one to four are never 
covered in the lectionary at 

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all. 
So you will never hear those 4 

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verses at Mass ever. 
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verses and if you want to hear 
an exegesis of those verses, 

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just like we've been doing every
day on this podcast, then that 

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bonus exegesis is available to 
you if you become a Patreon 

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supporter of the podcast. 
In tomorrow's episode, we're 

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going to start at John chapter 
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That's where the lectionary 
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Let's have a look at a few 
catechism passages to see how 

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the Catholic Church understands 
this passage. 

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Paragraph five O 4 has an 
interesting link here. 

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It links it to Mary's virginal 
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And there's a lot of discussion 
in these next few passages that 

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we'll look at or paragraphs of 
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where God pours out the Spirit 
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So paragraph five, O 4 says 
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Spirit in the Virgin Mary's womb
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inaugurates the new creation. 
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earth, a man of dust. 
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From his conception, Christ's 
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Spirit, for God gives him the 
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From his fullness as the head of
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received grace upon grace. 
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There, that quote about God has 
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measure. 
That's from John chapter 3 here.

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A similar theme is taken up in 
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Jesus is Christ anointed because
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everything that occurs from the 
Incarnation on derives from this

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fullness. 
The notion of anointing suggests

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that there is no distance 
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just as between the surface of 
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oil. 
Neither reason nor sensation 

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recognizes any intermediary. 
Just so, the contact of the sun 

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with the Spirit is immediate, so
that anyone who would make 

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contact with the sun by faith 
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contact. 
In fact, there is no part that 

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is not covered by the Holy 
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That is why the confession of 
the Son's lordship is made in 

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the Holy Spirit by those who 
receive Him, The Spirit coming 

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from all sides to those who 
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So that paragraph quotes from 
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show that the Son and the Spirit
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And again, in paragraph 1286, 
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Confirmation, it says Jesus was 
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His whole life and His whole 
mission are carried out in total

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communion with the Holy Spirit, 
whom the Father gives him 

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without measure. 
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section about the necessity of 
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Well, it includes a reference to
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about judgement and what it 
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eternal life. 
Believing in Jesus Christ and in

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the one who sent Him for our 
salvation is necessary for 

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obtaining that salvation, since 
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to please God and to attain the 
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Therefore, without faith, no one
has ever attained justification,

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nor will anyone obtain eternal 
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end. 
So an interesting link there to 

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the Catholic teaching on 
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I'll include those paragraphs in
the show notes. 

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when we do a new exegesis on 

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John Chapter 6.
