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Hi everyone. 
Thanks again for tuning into the

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logical Bible study podcast, and
for following on with what we're

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doing here, which is digging 
into the literal sense of the 

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text to work out. 
What's the author trying to 

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convey to his original audience 
and that's called an analysis or

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an exegesis. 
Of the literal sense of the 

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text, which is where we always 
want to start as Catholics. 

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So continuing today, for Easter 
Tuesday, we're looking at John 

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chapter 20 verses 11 to 18 which
is the passage you would hear if

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you go to mass today, Mary 
stayed outside near the tomb 

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weeping. 
Then still weeping shoe stupid. 

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She stooped to look inside and 
saw two angels in white sitting,

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where the body of Jesus had been
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the feet, They said woman, why 
are you weeping? 

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They have taken my Lord away. 
She replied. 

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And I don't know where they have
put him. 

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As she said this, she turned 
around and saw Jesus standing 

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there though. 
She did not recognize him. 

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Jesus said woman, why are you 
weeping? 

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Who are you looking for? 
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gardener. 
She said, sir, if you have taken

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him away, tell me where you have
put him and I will go and remove

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him. 
Jesus said, Mary. she knew him 

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then and said to him in Hebrew 
rabboni which means master Jesus

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said to her, do not cling to me 
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to the father but go and find 
the brothers and tell them, I am

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ascending to my father and your 
father to my God and your God So

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Mary of magdala went and told 
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the Lord and that he had said 
these things to her. 

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So that's your passage for 
today. 

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And the aisle key character here
is Mary Magdalene, who, of 

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course, is one of Jesus closest 
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And she's been in the Gospel of 
John in the last couple of 

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chapters surrounding his death 
and his burial. 

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So what's just happened in John 
chapter 20 Sarah Mary Magdalene 

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earlier in this chapter, she saw
the empty tomb and she runs back

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and tells Peter and John and 
then you're probably remember 

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Peter and John run back to the 
tomb and they see the clothes 

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roll. 
Tup so, Mary Magdalene has come 

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back with Peter and John and now
she is sort of waiting at the 

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tomb. 
Now, what we're going to see 

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here in this text is the second 
appearance of Jesus after his 

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death. 
So the first appearance 

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chronologically, it appears is 
to the women who are on their 

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way to tell the other disciples 
about the empty tomb. 

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So that's already happened 
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before this and now we have 
Jesus appearing again. 

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To Mary Magdalene at the tomb. 
So, verse 11 Mary stayed outside

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near the tomb weeping. 
So again, we need to try and 

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break free of this. 
The videos, we sometimes see of 

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this scene at this stage mirror 
is not in the Tomb. 

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In fact, she doesn't appear to 
go into the Tomb at all. 

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Here, she's outside the tomb 
near by Peter and John have left

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by now. 
So apparently she's alone. 

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And she's weeping, and she's 
weeping, because, as we find 

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out, she does not know where the
robbers have put the body. 

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She's thinks that his body has 
been stolen. 

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Even though she's probably seen 
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She just doesn't understand. 
Where is the body? 

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She thinks a robber has stolen 
it. 

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Now, this weeping Might Recall. 
Something that was said earlier 

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by Jesus in John chapter 16, 
John says to his disciples, you 

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will weep and mourn while the 
world rejoices you will grieve, 

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but your grief will become Joy. 
So there's an interesting link 

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there. 
So now she Stoops to look 

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inside. 
So, she looks inside the tomb 

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verse 12, she saw two angels in 
white sitting, where the body of

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Jesus had been one at the head 
and the other ER, of the feet. 

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Now, these angels weren't there 
before when Peter and John 

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looked in the tomb, which was 
shortly before this. 

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So apparently these angels have 
appeared just for Mary. 

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They're they're on a mission to 
help Mary in this situation. 

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They know that she doesn't 
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they're there to help her 
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So they say to her, why are you 
weeping? 

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So they want Mary to realize 
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Interestingly Mary doesn't 
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Angels, although usually in the 
Bible, people are afraid of 

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Angels, or maybe she doesn't 
realize who they are. 

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She was so distraught. 
So she says to them, they have 

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taken my Lord away and I do not 
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So, notice the language of my 
Lord shows, the intimate 

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personal relationship with she 
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talks about, we don't know where
they have put him now. 

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It's where have you put my Lord?
I don't know where he is gone, 

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so she considers Jesus, to be 
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personal Lord and Master. 
She's deeply distraught here. 

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Verse 14, as she turned around, 
so, get the picture. 

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She now, turns, and looks back 
outside the tomb. 

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She saw Jesus standing there 
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She did not recognize him. 
So, apparently Jesus has 

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teleported here from his first 
appearance in Jerusalem. 

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Apparently he hasn't walked 
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run into people. 
So he's somehow in visibly moved

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from Jerusalem to the tomb, and 
that's because Jesus only wants 

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to appear to particular people 
for the next 40 days. 

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He doesn't want to appear to 
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that he picks. 
Now, interestingly, why doesn't 

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she recognized Jesus? 
There's a lot of discussion 

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about this. 
I think there's three main 

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theories about, why Mary doesn't
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Jesus one, is that her vision is
blurred by the tears and she's 

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just distraught and not thinking
properly or something like that.

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Second option is that Jesus 
himself is taking on a different

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appearance than what he had 
before and that would fit in 

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with some of the other 
appearances later in the 

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gospels. 
Such as on the road to Emmaus, 

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the two people are walking with 
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but they don't recognize him. 
And it's also the explanation 

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that the catechism prefers, it 
tends to lean in this direction.

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So on this Theory, Jesus looks 
different in his glorified body.

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And in fact, maybe he can choose
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That's the theory that I think 
is most likely to be correct. 

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And there's a third Theory, 
which is that God has imposed 

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some sort of Supernatural 
blindness on Mary of Magdalene 

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here. 
It's a supernatural thing and 

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when she recognized him it's 
like the scales fall from her 

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eyes kind of Thing. 
And to support that we have Luke

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24 16 which is on the road to 
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It says the disciples eyes were 
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So it depends how we take that. 
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to interpret this is that Jesus 
is actually appearing in a 

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different form although that's 
not the only explanation. 

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Now, there might be some 
parallels here to what happened 

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to Peter and John or Peter and 
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Just before this, remember they 
arrived at the tomb, they see 

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the cloths but they do not know 
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Similar to Mary Magdalene here, 
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Neither party has the gift of 
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They see, but they don't 
understand. and, Verse 15, Jesus

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says to Mary Magdalene woman. 
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term. 
It sounds like that to us is in 

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the 21st century. 
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pretty common to refer to women 
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Jesus uses it several times in 
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wants to redefine relationships 
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He addresses. 
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calls his mother woman and it's 
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a title and we'll talk more 
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wedding of Cana. 
So Jesus is not insulting Mary 

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Magdalene by calling her woman. 
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Who are you looking for? 
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come right out and say I'm 
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He wants Mary to be the one to 
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before he says anything like 
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Now, what he says here, what or 
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Scholars? 
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statement deliberately to call 
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The Jesus says, right at the 
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When Jesus first speaks to the 
disciples, he says, what are you

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looking for? 
That's in 1:38. 

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So now Jesus. 
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Who are you looking for? 
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new era for Jesus disciples 
where his redefining, his 

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relationship with them. 
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She supposes him to be the 
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tomb was in some sort of garden 
field and we see that in chapter

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19 and there would be a gardener
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cleaning up the field and 
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So she says, sir, if you have 
taken him away, tell me where 

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you have put him and I will go 
and remove him so Mary, he 

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thinks that the gardener might 
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the gardener didn't want anyone 
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cleaning up the area. 
So Mary offers to remove him 

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herself. 
She says, just tell me where he 

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At this point, Jesus says, Mary.
Now it's something about the way

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he says it makes me recognize 
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Maybe it's his voice, maybe it's
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this recalls Jesus own teaching 
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Remember, Jesus says, I am the 
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sheep by their names. 
So there's an interesting link 

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there. 
And then, in fact, this is John 

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chapter 10 about the Good. 
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chapter, 10, says marry. 
Well, My sheep recognize my 

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voice and hear me recognizes his
voice, she says to him in Hebrew

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rabboni which means master. 
So John clarifies what this 

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Hebrew word means because his 
audience is not Jewish and he 

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wants them to understand the 
full force of what Mary says 

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here. 
It's a term of deep reverence 

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for one's personal teacher 
Rubber and I Now, many people 

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supposed at this point because 
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think that maybe Mary Magdalene 
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but not necessarily. 
Verse 17, Jesus. 

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He says. 
And this is where the confusion 

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sometimes lies. 
Do not cling to me, because I 

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have not yet ascended to the 
father Now this is a good 

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passage to do an exegesis on. 
A lot of people interpret this 

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to mean that Mary is physically 
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And Jesus, here is saying 
something like don't touch me or

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don't worship me because my body
is unclean or something like 

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that. 
I don't think that's the right 

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interpretation. 
When he's talking about 

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clinging, he's not talking about
physical clinging. 

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There's two possibilities of 
what this could mean, it could 

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mean something like this. 
Jesus is meaning, I'm still here

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with you. 
For a little while longer, 

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there's no need to cling to me. 
I'm yet to leave you to go to 

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the father, so it's kind of a 
reassuring. 

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I'm going to be here with you 
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There's no need to cling to me. 
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hold on to the old version of me
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There's now a new State of 
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I'm not going to associate with 
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So Jesus is drawing her 
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there's now a new era and she 
needs to think about things 

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differently, either 
interpretation could be right 

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there. 
Now this is a really important 

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verse though. 
Just think about what he says do

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not cling to me because I have 
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This tells us that Jesus journey
is not yet finished. 

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Even after his death even after 
his resurrection. 

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There's still things that he 
needs to do. 

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He hasn't yet gone to heaven and
returned to the father's side. 

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Side and that's going to happen 
later at the Ascension. 

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There's a lot of significance to
why Jesus has to ascend. 

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There's a whole lot, you could 
say about it because this is 

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when Jesus glorified. 
Human body gets reunited with 

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God's Own inner life, which of 
course, opens the way for all 

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men to be United to God in that 
same way. 

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Remember that Jesus said 
earlier, at the Last Supper, he 

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said where I am going. 
You cannot follow unless I go 

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there first. 
And so, that's the same kind of 

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idea with the Ascension He says,
but go and tell the brothers, 

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which is the disciples. 
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Go and find the brothers and 
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I am ascending to my father and 
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God. 
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go and tell the apostles. 
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he still has work to do and in 
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father to my God and your God. 
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that? 
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he could be. 
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that he's going to be with God, 
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I am literally going to God. 
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more likely that by Jesus death 
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man. 
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mostly just refer to God as his 
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death. 
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that you disciples can call him 
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brother's because of, what Jesus
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the cross. 
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Mary of magdala went and told 
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the Lord and that he had said 
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this day, a lot happens on this 
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and we're look at that. 
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Catholic Church, what the 
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this passage and how it informs 
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teaching. 
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to this particular passage, 
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things that Jesus says about 
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So, firstly, in paragraph, six 
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section about the empty tomb. 
We have a discussion about Mary 

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magdalene's role in that. 
We've read that out in the last 

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couple of episodes. 
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notes for you to read. 
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And here, the church tells us 
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look different after, or at 
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him after his resurrection. 
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touch, in the shearing of a 
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The Risen Christ establishes, 
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disciples. 
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recognize that he is not a ghost
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Risen body in which he appears 
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had been tortured and crucified 
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The traces of his passion, yet 
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authentic, real body. 
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a glorious body. 
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but able to be present how, and 
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Humanity can no longer be 
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henceforth only to the father's 
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Into the Risen Jesus enjoys, the
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as he wishes in the guise of a 
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familiar to his disciples 
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The church understands that 
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different form here which Mary 
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443 is a discussion about the 
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my father from this passage. 
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sonship from that of his 
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father except to command them. 
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father and he emphasized this 
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and your father. 
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that to mean that When Jesus 
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there's a distinction between 
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Have with the father paragraph 
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significance of the resurrection
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his disciples after his 
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brethren. 
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but by the gift of Grace because
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us a real share in the life of 
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revealed in his resurrection. 
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have a really interesting 
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these words about do not cling 
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So paragraph, 660 says, the 
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the Risen one during this time 
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words to Mary Magdalene. 
I have not yet ascended to the 

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father, but go to my brethren 
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to my father and Your father to 
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And your God. 
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manifestation between the glory 
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the Christ, exalted to the 
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transition marked by the 
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event of the Ascension. 
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Ascension and what it means 
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takes it quite seriously. 
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faith. 
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John chapter 20 is used as a key
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significance of the Ascension 
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which is in the discussion, 
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Heaven, from the Our Father 
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point is made about what it 
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heaven and that Has ascended 
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So I'll put that paragraph in 
the show notes as well. 

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