Hello everyone and welcome back to the cinema.
Sit down. We are recording live on this
rainy morning day. My name is Daniel.
I am Jerry motherfucking Joseph Jesus.
And I'm Portia, welcome back. I'm saying that we're recording
in the morning because I want to say how absurd is that?
We're talking about this movie at 9:00 in the morning.
Yeah, breakfast cast with like coffee and saw too.
This is weird. This is.
Great. Yeah, well, you should be up
cooking breakfast. And I hope you enjoy your eggs
and Bakey. Hope you ate it before you were
listening to this cause yeah, even listening to this I don't.
Well, we're not gonna add sound effects.
No, Well, no. There will be no sound.
Effects there'll be like chainsaws and.
But Jerry will heavily describe each death.
Yes, that joke, Jerry, that is your job.
Why? Why?
Because. We've because we're making Yeah,
we, we just came up with the fact that if someone's listening
to this. We want.
You just to scare. Well, actually, they couldn't be
having breakfast, could they? They could be.
They could be having. More driving.
We're going to scare. Them I rather soon when people
live in the podcast. Sorry, don't look in your
rearview mirror. I'm looking at you.
Speaking of which, when do you guys listen to your podcast and
do do you guys listen to podcasts?
Yeah, I do, whenever I'm driving.
Driving most of the time or maybe working.
With doing the dishes. Word.
Oh yeah. Housework.
My headphones.
Purely in. So basically morning, afternoon
or night, I'm listening to something, yeah.
At work, at my desk, often listening to podcasts.
Yes, interesting. Yeah, OK, cool.
Sometimes even hours. Oh no, I do listen to us.
Yeah, I'm like, I don't know if it's weird, but I, I first I go
on breaks where I won't listen to us for like a month and then
I'll be like, all right. I gotta catch up.
I don't think it's weird. I think it's kind of like a
quality control check. Yeah, no, I'm, I'm checking for
things that like we'll forget about later.
Yeah, like did you? I've listened to some.
Sorry. I've listened to some of our
episodes where I've told Jerry to add something in and he
hasn't added it. And then when we listen to it
back, I'm like, oh fuck, Jerry. Like, and then we come in the
next week and we're like, how dare you?
Shaking her Facebook point. Of me telling you to add
something in post and then you don't do it.
Yeah. No, I know I don't.
I don't, I just don't give a shit.
There's also, there's also an episode where we said we wanted
to do an SNL month and I'm bringing that up because that
was a great idea and we need. To do it.
Oh my God, it was. Yeah.
Yeah, SNL month. Oh.
My gosh. Yeah, it was.
Yeah, we should. Either spin offs from the show
or stars major players from SNL. Either 1 is fine.
I'm fucking telling you, look, we gotta get a whiteboard.
We gotta get a whiteboard. With we need a.
Whiteboard strings and Charlie Day just like.
Yeah, I've seen that meme and I know I get that meme, I get that
reference, but I think it would be good to have Well, that's I
should be taking notes. Yes, we should have someone
taking it. Where the fuck is Shanice?
Speaking of Shanice, let's play the fanfare.
Play it. You know you almost never missed
the fanfare though, to be fair. No, he's only missed it once, I
think. Yeah.
Do you not? No, Actually, that would have
been a really awkward silence. Do you know that?
You always do. Let's play the fanfare in kind
of like A Knight's Tale it. Feels like.
Cometh roll. It does like being unravelled,
yeah. Unravelled so I feel like it's.
Here cometh the fanfare. We did try to change the fanfare
at the beginning of this year and it's all like dubstepy.
So like my intro makes zero sense.
It's. Funny.
OK, so yeah, that's the normal one I use.
I used the normal. 10 I think that was their I think it's the
Forrest Gump episode. I recently listened to that one
and I was like wow, that's a good.
Episode. That was a good episode.
That was a good one. That was a long one, but that
was a good one. Shameless.
Mother fucking plug. Well, we don't have a Porsche's
News Corner this week, but in lieu of, we will just continue
our kind of random ramblings until we're ready to get into
the movie. Yeah, that is horseshit.
You said last week you were going to have a news corner.
Yeah, I might have said that, I might.
I might have said that and that might be true.
You know what, it's fine. Let's just we can have a little
combo ramble. That's OK.
You know, what are you doing on there?
I'm looking up stuff on getting the pages ready for Google doc
doc sheets and saw too. Thanks.
Great. Give away the movie title.
Great. Now there's no grand reveal.
OK. But we are talking about a major
horror franchise, so I think it's a good time to talk about
other horror franchises. What?
What non Halloween franchises? No, I I literally said
Halloween. Franchises got it.
Let's let's get our listing is on.
Jerry, do we have our listeners on?
Honestly, if someone said that to me, I'd punch them.
You with that's opener is guys, come on.
Oh, which franchises would you like to bring up because.
Does Carrie count as a franchise?
I'm going to say no. Well, no, that's not fair 'cause
there's 2, isn't it? Cool and a bunch of.
Remake no. Yeah, but that's I don't.
OK, so what's the grounds for a a like a a franchise?
Is it more than one more? Than three I think you have to
have more than three to have a franchise because 2 movies is
like well like smile smile is not a franchise yet not yet no
but I think I. Hope it doesn't.
Neither is Megan. Those movies slap, by the way.
Oh, I wanna watch those. Oh, I think, Megan.
Megan, I think. About you should you should
watch them. Drake and Josh, I've seen the
whole. Not Drake and Josh.
Damn it, Jerry. What if there's an installment
and they bring Miranda Cosgrove to play Megan and she's just
yeah. Life-size Megan.
Yeah. You know, like, she could just
be like. That scene is, you know.
Featuring Tyra Banks. Oh yes.
I don't know what that movie is about, but it feels like it's
about dancing. And it's really not that one
scene. Is like, what's that?
That scene is so weird. Dances you to death.
No. She tap dances your ass to
death. She's.
Like she's Tom dancing me to death and I'm like bitch, what
is happening? Killer robot, but there's just
this one scene in the hallway where this guy is like waiting
for her to come and she's just like busts out this freestyle.
Oh wait, that's only one scene. That's not like her killing
strategy. She's like killer robot.
Her weakness? Will Smith.
Oh my God. Oh yeah, I've never seen that
movie. I robot.
I am robot. Oh dude, Jinx, you guys owe the
next round of drinks. No, no, wait.
Did you say I am robot or I robot?
I robot, Yeah, See, I said I am robot.
I am Legend. You just.
Merged. I did.
I merged 2 movies. You did just merge it.
I am legend robot. I do feel like I am legend
probably took place after I robot.
I Hancock. I Hancock.
Oh, we can. Also speak about non Halloween
franchises if you have a favorite franchise.
Oceans. The Oceans movies.
Obviously that's a franchise Lord of the Rings.
I just. Oh yeah.
Franchise did. You see the last one?
Yeah, it's on Netflix. I have not watched it.
Yet I have found a Netflix. I will watch that, Sorry I feel
like I just outed myself for not.
Having my face. You found your cards enough.
I found my password. I found my password.
There you go, and. Now you can pay off.
Alexa yes, I just the other day, it was a cold day.
I was on the couch and I put Lord of the Rings, The
Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition on.
So what is it like 17 hours as opposed to 4?
It's three in a bit. Oh my God.
No, no, no. He.
Has four hours to commit to this.
Well, this guy. But those movies in the extended
edition format are just, I think, simply brilliant.
Like the first three. Yeah, great franchise do.
You like The Hobbit also? I don't like it as much.
I don't think it should have been 3 movies, I think they
added a lot of stuff if I'm not wrong.
I I It's been a while since I've read the book.
I've heard that's where this Frodo and his and Baggins like
start actually gaining feelings for each other or something
right? What Frodo and Baggins Frodo is.
Frodo Bannon. Yeah, it was like Frodo.
Only character I know is Dumbledore and Lego lost.
Jesus fucking. You know Sam.
Yeah, I know that character. You.
Just fucking throw Dumbledore in there, my guy.
Isn't that his name? Gandalf?
Whatever. Gandalf, bro.
Gandalf. Gandalf and.
Nope. Say it right or don't say it at
all, OK? He didn't go from Gandalf the
Great to Gandalf the Way, all right?
For you to call him Gandalf. OK, Gandalf and LEGO's loss.
Nope. Lego less.
Oh. Is that Orlando Bloom?
Yes, I care to take care about. Orlando Bloom with the wig and
he's good with the arrows. And good with the bow.
A mother fucker 2. Friends.
Yeah, he's good with bow and arrows.
Yeah, that and and pirates that man is.
Growing arrows. That man.
Is. Made like he's done, he doesn't
have to do shit right? Talk about like like big old
splash impact in the in the Hollywood game.
Regardless of what he did before, there were some, I think
there's one where he was like an amateur boxer that I think got a
little bit of critical acclaim. But then after that, see I can
see you trying to. Actually no.
I'm literally trying to think of did he have an impact in any
other movie besides those two trilogies, No.
He's been another thing, not that I'm.
Aware of he was in Pirates and and Lord of Rings but like I
don't know what else he played all of.
Franchises and he was in The Hobbit.
Speaking of franchises, I just want to bring this up because
unfortunately the world lost a beautiful soul this over the
weekend, Diane. Dan Keaton.
Dan Keaton But I wanted to bring up Father of the Bride.
I forgot how much I loved those movies growing up.
Yeah. I forgot about.
I forgot until I saw stills of her face and I was like Oh my
God she's the mom from that franchise and I forgot.
We also lost Jane Goodall. I know she's.
Not also lost Jane Goodall, she was a.
An amazing person. You know what, Dan?
Keaton is wonderful though, I love her in so many things.
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
No. She's great.
You know what? I saw her last night and it
unlocked the whole like memory Bank of like 90s early 90s movie
Crocodile Dundee. I am watching Dancing at the
Stars this season so I am seeing Robert Irwin on my screen on a
weekly basis. So.
I constantly have to do with that.
Because when you think, when I think about crocodiles,
crocodiles, I think I think about Steve.
Irwin and that story era. A new documentary.
Crocodiles. It's all about the croc.
I don't know, you threw me off with that, but are we were
talking about? Oh she just stopped talking so
I'm confused. Oh, I finished what I had to
say. That's.
All I just I I think if you haven't seen this is a general
PSA if you haven't seen Crocodile Dundee in a while.
It's been about 1520 years for me maybe.
I used to watch it religiously as a kid.
I've never seen it but I remember getting it confused
with Steve Irwin as a kid. I got them confused and that's
why I meshed them into one. Fair.
Yeah, I think everyone should rewatch that because it is,
which I found out yesterday. It's a screenplay by Paul Hogan.
It stars Paul Hogan. It's directed by Paul Hogan.
And I think it is fantastic. I think it's beautifully shot.
I think it's a gorgeous movie. It's funny.
It'll make you cry. It's a 90s movie.
Yeah. And it came out in like 86.
So the soundtrack must be dope. Soundtrack fucking slaps.
Sorry I I'm really on my no. I mean, what you're saying is
90's. The soundtrack's got to be good.
Oh, it's got to be good all the way through the movie.
No breaks. No, it's just music, background
music. Background music the whole time,
that's. 90s if you want to buy me flowers.
Not that kind of 90s. Is it?
Like if you want to buy me flowers.
Australian it more like goodnight mate.
If you want to blow me flowers, it's more like instrumental.
Is Anaconda a franchise? Yes.
Are there sequels? I thought isn't there?
No, but did you see the trailer for the remake?
Yeah, she looks hilarious. I'm actually, it's like a
parody. I didn't know it was going to be
like that. And I'm like.
OK, I'm I'm kind of there for. It it looks like fun.
Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd?
Yeah, it was like Paul Rudd. Sign me up.
It's a It's supposed to be funny, right?
Like unicorns or whatever. The Death of a.
Unicorn Death of a Unicorn. I don't know.
I don't know what the plot is. Did you watch that one?
Not yet, not. Yet me neither.
I don't think it was funny though, or kind of come dark
comedy. Dark comedy.
Yeah, I haven't seen. That, but I don't.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Shanice, I don't know if there's
more than one Anaconda. I feel like the.
First one in 1995. DVD and I don't know if that
counts as like being in a franchise or not because it's.
Part of the if it's part of the, you know.
'Cause I know what you did last summer is technically a
franchise too, but like, has anyone seen?
Oh yeah, there's a ton of them. There's 3 and 4.
There's at. Least three?
I'm pretty sure there's a fourth.
Wait a wait, I know you did last summer.
I still. Have Anaconda, so that's a
franchise. There's Anaconda, Anaconda, The
Hunt for the Blood orchid, Anaconda 3 offspring, Anaconda,
DVD trial of blood like Placid versus Anaconda.
Like Placid versus Anaconda. Fuck.
Oh. Could all be an Anaconda and.
Then they're remaking the 1997 film with Dwayne Rock Johnson
and Jason Statham called The Anaconda.
So it's there's going to be 6 movies.
Yeah, they're in the making of making it right.
Now that's got to be. Wrong.
So there's going to be an actual Anaconda sequel to?
Release 2025? Really.
Yeah, no Fact Check that on IMDb.
Fact checking. What were we just saying?
Wait. Oh, I was saying, I know what
you did last summer. Oh, yeah, So I know what you did
last summer. I still know what you did last
summer. I'll always know what you did
last summer. I'll always know what you still
did last summer. Did you make that one up or is
that a real title? No, I made it up, but it's
probably right. That would have been fucking.
See, if I hadn't said anything, you would.
Still know what you probably did last summer?
Maybe always. Always so there, OK and then
there is a new one out or coming.
There's a new one that's it's out already.
It's out already. Didn't do very well 'cause I
haven't heard anything. Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna.
But Sarah Michelle Gellar. Sarah Michelle Gellar does
Hewitt's, well, Jennifer Love Hewitt's back, Freddy's back.
Both of their characters are like, alive and well.
And Sarah Michelle Gellar does make a cameo in it, but her
character is in fact dead. So she's not gonna be like in
the movie, but she's in the movie.
OK, So talking about 90s franchises and say some of the
more cemented ones that have been rebooted like how Freddie
Friday Freddie. Fire destination squeezes in at
the end. Sure.
What do you feel about this? Like new wave of Say Smile or
Five Nights at Freddy's Megan. Not really a horror movie.
But I feel like I'm on the outside of it.
I feel like I. Feel like sore?
Yeah, like Saw is the last one that I was really keeping up
with, and I haven't seen just the last installment, but I
haven't gotten into many of the newer horror movies because I
feel like I'm too jaded. With the Exception of a Smile,
I've never seen Hostile. I don't actually like Body.
That's Gorno. That's a different genre, I
think. It do you?
Yeah, I feel like hostel was made because.
It's like I think hostel was probably, I think hostel was
probably made from saw. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, Yeah. I don't think there's any way
that. Movie would have been like.
Yeah, like they just tried to get more and more.
I mean saw, I mean. Saw start if the first.
Hostel did give me did give me a fright.
It gave you a fright me a fright Throwback to that Parent trap.
Go watch that. That's a.
Shameless plug of that. It started that wave of kind of.
That one was good though. I liked the first one.
It was scary enough. That was like, oh shit, like,
you know, for me at least I, I think I went.
How do you travel? After that movie, after I saw
that movie, I but we heard that movie.
I was, that's what I was asking. I was like, did you travel
before? Or I don't remember when, when
that came out. I've never seen hostile because
no, I'm not gonna lie, that looked too scary for me, like.
Five O 7. It's got to be this one is 2005,
so it's got to be in that realm. It's got to be it's.
Got to be right like. 2005, Yep. That makes.
Sense. That makes sense.
Wouldn't human centipede be pretty close to this too?
Yeah, look up the human centipede.
I think that's 2009, 2007, 2008. That would have been right at
the end of like when body. No, maybe 11.
Cool. Yeah, so.
Because House of Wax too, 2006. That's.
A very body work 2009 there. You go.
We've definitely gone away from that genre, I think, I think.
So. I think people have had enough
of it. I think they're going back to.
Psychological stuff. Yeah, oh, oh, oh, things like
hereditary and like the Midsomer.
And have you seen hereditary? I'm like halfway through it.
It's freaky. It's freaky, though, That's the
thing. It Yeah.
But like in here scary or like visually?
It's a bit of both. Like it's one of those ones that
I feel, look, I've told you guys multiple times, like horror is
not my genre. Yeah, Yeah.
I don't mind watching them. There are some I won't do, yeah.
I won't ever watch the Human Centipede again.
Things like that. Hereditary is is on that line of
like. I don't know if I can handle
this. Well, it's, it's really well
done and it's got a great cost and it's I don't know if it's a
24, but the director, I'm pretty sure it's a 24 in my I imagine
it is, but those kind of move like the witch Midsummer
hereditary. I know I'm missing some, but
like don't breathe. You could probably put in that.
That was good. Don't do we see the first one
right? See, there's a couple of those,
yeah. The one where the kids break
into the house and they got. The blind guy of the blind.
Kind of like I saw the Special Forces.
I think the first one and we were like, it was boring.
It wasn't kind of boring. It wasn't enough.
Killing it was and. We might have watched it and I
don't. Think you liked it?
I don't. I didn't think you liked the
first one. So we never.
Lost the second one. I didn't see the second one.
Yeah, I'd want to try it again just to see.
But I do have this mysterious power where if I don't like a
movie, I will. It's like I've never seen it.
That's amazing. I don't and then I'll like
someone will turn it on and I'm like, oh, I was.
Watching it for the first time, yeah.
Or it'll be like halfway through and I'm like, Oh yeah, I did
watch this Once Upon a time. I didn't like it then and I
continue to not like it now. I think we're moving away.
I think there's a more, you know, like psychological kind of
horror, thriller, suspense going on, whatever, basically whatever
we're doing. I like it more than the the
previous version, but you can keep some of them in there.
Yeah, I agree with that. On that note, shall we get into
tonight's pick? Tonight.
Yeah, I know we always say tonight, but this is clearly a
breakfast cast. This morning's pick.
Today's rainy day pick. Yeah, yes, please.
What do we watch? Barely scratched my eyes before
we do. I was like, let's talk about
there, saw. Two, there is the guy who Who is
the guy in Bear the Bear? Jeremy.
Jeremy Allen, apparently. He's going to play Bruce
Springsteen. When not apparently it's coming
out in like a week. Yeah, I didn't know that.
I've never. I didn't know that was happening
in a week. I kind of.
Remakes and going straight to bio pics next like they're going
to be doing a lot of they just did that Bob Dylan.
That was good. I watched that Madonna.
I'd watch it if I was a Bob Dylan fan.
No, you should watch it for the portrayal of him and how well of
a job Timothy Hay. Did I probably probably so good.
I just don't like his voice and I'd probably be like.
No, you should watch it. Five years, Elvis, five years,
All these people. He learned how to play the
guitar like he learned everything.
This is like this. This this gives me a little bit
of hope that there are some good film makers and actors of the
new generation coming through when you can make it.
Sorry I. Know you?
No, go ahead. When you can do a movie like
that, Yeah. Well, sorry.
When you can dedicate a craft to that.
He's even. Did you see the thing about ping
pong? Oh, I'll get to it in a minute.
Yeah, the Marty Supreme. Yeah, the thing about like
Elvis, the mannerisms, dedicating so much time and then
still doing other projects on top of that.
And same with like Timothy and Jeremy Ellen White.
I'm just saying everyone's name. Like Timothy.
I think it's I think it's interesting.
I have a little bit of an issue that he doesn't look like Bruce
Springsteen, but it's always going to be yeah, I've people,
yeah, people have said I'm wrong, but that's fine.
I. Also don't think the guy who
played Elton John in the biopic look like Elton John until I saw
the the like. The stuff.
For the movie. And I was like, yeah, OK, that
looks enough like Elton John. I get it.
Yeah. That rocking man was good.
The I need to see the Robbie William, one Robbie Williams,
one monkey man, more of it was. I don't know if it's in
production. It's been in production hell for
a while now and I don't know why that is, but there is going to
be a biopic with Madonna and she's like an executive producer
on it. And I didn't watch it.
Did either of you watch Ozark? I've heard it's.
It's all like half of the first season.
Jennifer, the girl, the daughter.
Julia Garner. Yeah, Julia Garner is going to
play Madonna and she is incredible.
I watched her on some other stuff.
I. Thought Taylor Swift could have
played her. And you need to put that beanie
back on and get the fuck out. Go.
Ahead and pop that beanie back on.
I. Oh no, Taylor Swift is like 2
million too. Like too tall.
I'm I cannot even imagine it. I'm like, no, she's too lanky.
That's like Don is very compact. It's like having Shaq play
Michael Cera. Or or like Kevin Hart in a
biopic. Ohh.
Kevin Hart, the Shaq by. Yeah.
I'd watch. That should be fucking
hilarious. Look larger.
Shaq, Kevin Hart, Shaq now playing this summer.
Gary Olman. Or Gary, whatever his name is.
Gary Coleman, Gary Coleman, Gary Olman, Gary Olman's White
that's. Hilarious.
Oh, that would be even funnier. We're doing a bit of a Tropic
Thunder here. All right, well, let's get into
today. This morning, Tonight's pick
saw. Halloween.
Would you guys like a little bit of a synopsis?
I was waiting for Jerry to finish so I could say there will
be blood and then I would say yes.
Synopsis. Excellent.
Do it. The nightmare puppet is back.
Jigsaw returns with another madhouse of terror, only this
time it's a group effort and it takes a special interest into a
specific detective with the right stuff.
Saw 2 came out October 28th of 2005.
It's rated R, It's one hour and 33 minutes long.
It stars Donnie Wahlberg as. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
Detective Eric. He's on the block.
Tobin Bell as Jigsaw. John Shawnee Smith.
Toby Bell as Jigsaw John. Yeah 'cause he's certainly 2
characters. He's Jigsaw and he's drawn.
Shawnee Smith as Amanda, Directed by.
Name. Yeah, Jigsaw.
John coming in. Directed by Darren Lynn Boot
Bowsman, Written by Lee Wannell and Darren Lynn Bowsman.
Produced by Lionsgate slash Twisted Pictures.
Thank. You for that?
Jane, thank you. Yeah.
Did you hear me applause? I was I.
Think we were cheering the whole fucking time?
I heard you, yeah. Yeah, Porsche's back on form.
That was. I've been thinking about that
for two days. I love those songs so much I'm
going to listen to her on. The way get it, girl.
Does. I'm over here dancing.
You and Porsche the first saw. It's a very difficult way for me
to say James Wan. They're accidental.
Correct. Anything to do with the sequels?
The they got the same writer to come back to help with the
script because this was actually a retooled script for a a Saw
adjacent movie. And they were like, that's too
similar to Saw, let's just make it a sequel.
But James Wan was busy doing another big movie.
I forget Conjuring. I I think, yeah, I think he was
working on The Conjuring so he couldn't do come back to.
Do this one Aquaman. Was it Aquaman?
Was it? Is that a meme?
The way I said it was, yeah, I love that.
I never heard of. It, yeah.
I don't know. Did he actually do Aquaman?
I think so. Oh shit.
First one and the second one. Sure.
I don't know, I don't know. Where the fuck is Shanice?
She's in the bathroom. She says be back in 1515.
Yeah dude, but bathroom is 6 blocks away.
We don't let her use this one. Oh, also, you didn't catch that
babe. I just say How I Met your myth,
How I Met your mother reference on accident, I said.
But it was unintentional though. Thank you initial thoughts.
I I feel not ashamed, but these are like very guilty pleasure
movies for me. This was my first foray into a
horror movie franchise that I actually like with.
You. Oh my God.
Sorry. That's good.
He started it. Other thoughts and opinions I.
Sure. No, Mommy.
You're in a weird mood thing, yeah.
Because we're cutting you off so.
They scratched that like weird itch of kind of like horror
movie. They're not scary.
I think that they're terrifying, really.
I think the traps are kind of they're cool, but I would some
of them. Some of them are.
Horrible, but imagining myself in it, yeah it's freaky as fuck.
I had some. Of them we're going to talk
about in this movie, I'm going to like.
Disassemble. I'm going to say this is how I
would do it. Oh yeah, like.
There's so many fucking things in this movie that are like,
what? I know, and I love watching
them. The first time watch is always
very interesting. The second time, it's always
like you've got that feeling. Like, yeah.
I wouldn't have done that. Yeah, now you're like.
What are you doing? Good fucking idiot.
I'm like, I can get out of that trap, yeah.
Why are you panicking? Hold my beer the.
Button's over there, don't put your hand in a box.
Yeah. No, I had nightmares for weeks
about being trapped in a house like this.
Did you? When I first saw this movie back
in the You have to remember I was 15 when this movie came out.
Just pretty fucking scary to me. Fair.
I'm trapped in the house.
I'm trapped in the house, never coming out.
Remember when that's remember. That was like a 15.
What? A time to be alive, just
remember. 20. 12 I didn't. Close.
Just remember. Me in silence, Just remember.
Aquaman. I could just put like twinkling
sounds on whenever she's like. Just remember you can delete my
Aquaman, but just chop it out completely and.
Put I was going to start adding zippers if I remember every time
she's like put that in your back pocket.
Zip, OH. I like that.
I really like that. I like the zip, that's fun.
Zip and twist, baby. With all of that out of the way,
would you guys like to jump into the movie?
I cannot wait. Let's do it.
So, as per usual with all soft franchise entries, we start in a
trap. Yes, I took notes.
And so we, we start in our first trap.
This one is called the death mask.
I tried to remember to write down the traps as I saw them,
but like some of them I'm just going to have to describe to you
because I didn't get a name for all of them.
But this first one is the death mask.
And it's kind of, it reminds me of the reverse bear trap thing.
It's basically the opposite of. It.
Yeah, it's kind. Of the one that you would say
Amanda started with. Right, right.
And it's. Similar.
It's like an iron mask from the it's.
Kind of like an Iron Maiden. Yes, thank you.
I was trying to think of that. I couldn't think of the name of
that, but basically the contestant.
I've seen an old guard baby. The contestant I.
Need to see the second one. Thank you.
So fucking. Good.
No, I know. I know.
You just reminded me that she's in the bottom of the ocean.
So the contestant like hears contestant.
Come on down. Come on down.
Let's say 599. He's like high fiving all the
the little billies in the crowd the.
Little billies. Everyone's up Billy, except for
him. You just call him up and that's
the trap. So he has to figure out how to
get a key to escape this mask, and the key is hidden under his
eye, behind his eye where I didn't.
I'm not gonna lie, I didn't quite figure it out.
Like when? It's it's like right here, but
it's you got to take out your. Eye.
You got to take out your eye. Jigsaw wants you to take out
your eye. There will be blood.
There will be blood, so. So am I to am I to do you?
Want to play a game? To yes, I do, Jerry.
So am I to think, Jerry, to believe that one Jigsaw in this
whole scene, he doesn't ever say how much time he has.
He does one. No, he never vocally says it.
He says the timer on your head is on there.
Where's the timer? It's on his fucking neck.
Can he see it? No.
But yet he says no, No, no, no, no.
Right before the end. Yeah, he.
Has no fucking clue when it's going to go off.
There is. There is no sound except for the
end. Wait, Are you sure?
And he can't see it. The timer is on the side and and
he never says in the thing you have this many seconds to do it.
He never mentions it. I don't remember him mentioning
a specific time either. He doesn't.
There is like a tickle clock sound but it's hard to.
Like yeah, we can. See, I watched it 2:00 this
morning. Just if you watch it you can see
it doesn't say it. It's hard to say if the taking
sound is an added thing for the audience that we can hear.
That's whether. He can also hear it I So to me,
I thought of it as like, this is an added thing for the audience
to up the ante, to make it scarier.
Could be but. Not I don't.
Know you're right. You're.
Right, One of my things about sore, The most annoying thing,
this that. Yeah, right there.
That is always the most annoying thing.
Well. Describe what's happening is
he's pulling the. Cord, I will.
I'm sorry. Why is that annoying?
Well, because if you hadn't a move, the timer would never have
gone off. There's always like.
There's always. There's always.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. He could have sat there and
thought for a minute. Yeah, if you basically, you know
how Jigsaw always says look closer, I swear to God, if you
do that for the whole series and you and you don't panic and you
take your time, I reckon you could.
Like, I know it's silly, it's a fucking movie, but I reckon you,
if you obviously I'm not in this, I'm going to fucking
panic, right? Everyone.
Everyone would. Yeah, but if you can't keep your
cool about you, you might be able to.
If you pop an ambi right? Before so I figured out I kind
of figured I figured out a way that.
If you have that secret blizzy. If I was in this situation,
would you rather, one, cut your eye out like he has to to get
out of that, or two, do it the way I'm about to tell you I
would do it? What would you do?
I would run into the wall with the I wouldn't break the thing
off, but I would run into the wall until I broke my
collarbone, be able to slide my shoulder down and get it off
because it's around his back. So as long as it goes to the
side and falls off your broken collarbone.
Damn if you had a dislocated shoulder.
That's what I'm saying. If you run into the wall and
break your shoulder you could break the collarbone and I'd
rather fucking destroy my bone in my arm then cut my eye out.
Slide it halfway off so it can cause it's.
Weird, it looks like it's here but I swear it's.
Behind. Yeah, it looks like under his.
I. Think it's like get out, call
doctor them do it safely where you could still have it save
your. Eye in your eye, yeah.
OK, and they can figure out where?
You're I love it when I love it when Jerry goes on a Jerry
tangent. But that's just my idea that is
strapped around. Makes the most.
I mean, look, it's not but OK. But see, once you run, you're
going to start the timer. So you got to be quick about
that. Yeah, but you realize that,
right? Figure out how to get it, get it
off of you. Because like it's, it's strapped
to his body, right? Like if you look at how far it
goes down to his body. It's around.
It's like a like a vest. In a yeah, it's like a vest, but
in that vest is attached. It's not like it's surgically in
his spine. No, no, no.
So. He's not a monster, no.
You know, and apparently he doesn't kill people.
He's we'll get. Into more of that later.
Well, I mean, if you think about.
It, but that's what I he doesn't.
I'd run in, I'd run into it like somehow sideways to break my
arm, my shoulder. Somewhere to slide?
The whole system down off my shoulder so that the closing
mask is, I know it's around your neck, but if you could break
your shoulder, there's got to be a way to like slide it so you
could get out of it. But I don't know how close it is
on his neck. I don't know if they could, you
know what I'm saying? It sounds good in theory, but
you'd have to. You have to really sit there
like you said and not break the timer.
I mean, look at that. It's it's.
Around his neck. It's like leather bound though
around. His chest and it's really close.
It's around here. Too.
Oh, that's a perfect pause, right?
There, Jerry, look, it's around here.
It's around his like ribs. Yes, that's what I'm saying, but
I don't know how. You get that off.
But even if it. Is there you could?
It's really tight around his body, right?
But imagine your body breaking. The thing's gonna loosen up,
right? Sure.
Like a broken about, Something's gonna be looser.
Yeah. So can he squeeze his head
through? That way.
Yeah, if he broke his shoulder enough to like slide it down his
arm and like, I don't know, I'm just cuz they're gonna say
there's more to sit there like you said and think that would be
like a last resort is like breaking something.
But you could sit there as long as you fucking want it.
He never said you couldn't. Well, it's also like the thing
of the first movie is like a lot of sorry I took too much time on
it. No, you're good.
A lot of people have said, you know, he could have just cut off
his heel instead of cutting off his entire foot.
Yeah. So like maybe if you can think
more accurately you can make smaller decisions instead of
less like huge ones. Drastic.
So unfortunately, our first victim is our first victim.
We don't care about him. No, he's not.
Actually, he's not. He has nothing to do with this
movie. It's just the exciting opener
that we have to remember. Hey, we're in a Saw movie and
hey, get ready to feel squeamish.
Room to get slightest. OK, I'm sorry.
I'm just he has plenty of room now that he's zooming in and out
to slide his head out of it. Yeah, you're right.
So he could definitely break his shoulder.
It's strapped to him by a harness.
That harness is strapped to the device.
If the harness is gonna slide off, yeah, you could look, you
could slide his your head out of that once you break your
shoulder. I stand on my point.
Fair. I I concur.
Sorry. So we get our we get a title
card for saw two, and then we slide on over and we meet
Detective Eric Matthews, which I want to make every Boy Meets
World reference throughout this entire fucking podcast.
I apologize in advance. Every time he walks in, Dun Dun
Dun Dun. Oh, I kept thinking the.
People's Court thing. When a crime breaks out, all the
cute girls shout. Get the good looking guy episode
episode of Boy Meets World for those that know funny.
No, Yep. So yes, we meet Detective Eric
Matthews and he is picking up his son from what seems to be a
security office in like a mall, a dock.
I love this. Like where are we?
I love this, I love this disheveled over over too too big
a suit on Donnie Wahlberg to be like, man, we we really care
about this guy. He smokes at 9:00 in the
morning. I'm.
Like he's such a traditional cop.
Doesn't even do his tie up anymore.
He's just given up. Yeah, this, this is the guy.
Women who care. About a coffee cup with no lid.
I don't know why that drives me insane.
Everything's around coffee. Like that?
No, no, he's no, no. And that's the point.
Like, yeah, shoveled. Women who care about him.
He has like a fucking Donald Trump tie down to his crotch.
It's so long it's not even pulled up.
It's the thickest tie on the planet also.
He looks like the disheveled cop that was that that's in
Sopranos. Which by the way, I do want to
bring in bring a point to this movie.
Chris Moltisanti in The Sopranos is watching Saw two in the
series, and that's when he starts getting the ideas of
making a mafia ghost movie called The Cleaver with a lot of
gore, just like Saw. So he pulled it from that Saw
franchise. They talk about Saw a lot in
that series because he's writing the movie and he's watching this
movie in it, and I thought that was pretty cool.
That is really cool, I actually didn't know there was an overlap
there. I don't know why I assumed
Sopranos wasn't on, but that was its peak so that makes sense.
That's funny. So he's picking up his son from
stealing at the dock. What was he doing stealing from
boats at the dock? Is that what we?
I must say I don't know. What was he doing?
The docks, weren't they? He was being a bad boy.
Yeah, he was I. Think he was meeting up with the
Saggins gang? No, no, no, no.
He's shooting Saggins gang into a boat.
I. Think he was meeting up with the
Saggins gang. The Saggins.
I think he was playing in a heist.
But Eric's son Danny really doesn't want anything to do with
him, and he makes that beyond clear.
And at the end he's like, I think I'm just going to go back
to mom's place. And Eric is like the go then.
The quintessential How old are you?
Yeah. Relax.
So Eric is really sad when he gets home and he's like, Danny,
if you could like give me a call back.
I like I'm, I'm sorry. I just want to know that you're
home. OK.
And like, tell mom I said hi. I have I have a random question.
Who's your favorite Wahlberg? I mean acting wise where I could
like separate art. From art, you're not allowed to
separate. Art from artist.
Nope, I don't have a favorite Wahlberg.
OK, Mark, point blank. I don't like.
Donnie. Donnie's good, I say.
It's just about the same to me. I like.
New kids on the block, bro. I know.
Marky, Mark. What did I do?
I say. Crime on his fucking.
That's why I didn't say Marky Mark.
Yeah. I was like, Oh yeah.
It's a little bit of a racist we were talking.
About that, she's like, I don't think there's a New Kids on the
Block or something. I was like, Oh no, he was.
And then I started singing like New Kids on the Block suck a
lot. Boy girl bands make me sick or
whatever. And then she's like, that is
just them mentioning his name and the band.
Yeah, Jerry doesn't know any new kids.
I sang. I.
Found that out. No, once you play a song I'll
like, I know it, right? But like the famous ones, I'll
know. But like I sang that because
that's the only thing that I remember.
Is that Eminem's part where he says that in one of his songs?
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Well, yeah, he's he was also singing the LFO New Kids on the
Black Hat a bunch. Yeah.
You're like you're singing LFO and I was.
Like that has. That's not the same.
Band I was. Like can I, can I play you?
Can I play you a snippet? Yeah, let's play some Donnie.
Oh man, this takes me back off the school club.
Yeah, Oh my. Gosh, yeah, this isn't like
every. Time the right stuff.
Yeah, they both. They both have like a lot of
hits that are. One of them's a racist.
I said hit. Socks.
I know, but what? Marky, Mark.
Was a racist. Marky Mark was not in New Kids
on the Block when they got famous.
He was in the band for a brief time.
But he was in. Yeah, he was in the band.
Like if you look at the bands like Wiki or whatever, he was in
the band for like a year. But then.
He I didn't know that. Interesting.
OK, back to the movie. Yeah, just one is and 1 isn't.
Oh yeah, I'm sorry. I found another New Kids song.
I'm going to be blasted New Kids.
Oh my gosh. Baby.
Yeah, I probably know that. One I had the I had the I had
the 8 track. Fuck you, I'm old.
Eight track No, you're. Not you're right, I'm not.
I'm forever young like Edward Easy.
We're going to get fucking cease and desist.
OK, so. I want to be.
Sorry, we'll just call him up. Who?
Edward. We don't spit the out.
No copyright. Anyway, so so Eric is waiting
for a hopeful phone call from his son, but unfortunately he
just gets a call to a crime scene.
And so here we go, Eric. Here we go.
Eric meets up with Detective Carey, who she was in the first
movie to was. She.
Wait. I think she was.
Moved. Where the fuck is Shanice back?
Check that she's definitely in the third one.
Yes, yes, I know she she becomes like a long standing part of the
porn franchise. When does she get her head
chopped off that she definitely dies?
Right. That's the one in the bar,
right? No.
No, you're gonna wait for. That one's the prequel, so got
it. Got it, got it.
None of those people come back because they die.
They did. But we hey.
Dad. We.
Met Detective Carrie who was
giving also she almost has that like Carrie that Felicity hair
anyway. Yes, she has that.
Her name is. Dean X-Files hair.
Carrie, Detective Carrie. Oh, but the actress?
Oh, oh, I don't know. She's in Starship Troopers.
Oh shit. Yeah.
So she kind of gives us the 411 on what we've got here.
So they find the guy that was in our opening death mask scene and
they find that there was a puzzle piece taken out of his
skin. So this is reminiscent.
They kind of have an idea of who they might be looking for.
Cause wait, the cops know about wait, do the cops know about
Jigsaw yet? OK, so yeah, they might have an
idea of who they're looking for, so they reveal.
So Eric's like really not interested in any of this.
He's like I. Don't care, I have two shits
about what's going on. But they look over and they see
the writing on the wall. It says look closer.
Detective Matthews, which I thought was pretty fucking
funny, but they misspelled it. Matt MATHE.
Oh yeah, he's missing AT. Yeah, so it's his surname or
something, they said. Matt Hughes?
No, I think he just spelled it wrong.
No, that's how he spells it. Oh, does he spell it with 1 T?
Yes, she's in all of them up until 4:00.
Damn. OK.
So not to Detective Carrie? I I mean Shanice ain't doing
shit so. But Eric could like not care
less about this, even though his name is literally written on the
wall. Well.
He's got no idea, has he? He's got too much on his plate
to care. He's got a a criminal son or a
son on the way to a life of criminality.
No, he spells it with two TS. So then, yeah.
Pretty sure it's misspelled. Misspelled it.
I wonder if that's on purpose, if that means something.
It says it's. Oh yeah, 'cause the other T is
his son. What I read it was says it's
it's a surname. Obviously.
A message written on the ceiling.
Look closer. Detective Matthews misspells
Eric Matthews surname. Yeah, that's just saying it just
misspells. His last name, that's what I'm
saying. They they just misspelled it.
It's just funny that. He's Oh, there wasn't like a
bigger, there was no. I'm just saying Bigger
misspelled it. I thought that was funny.
Fucking outside the production team fucked up.
Looks looks like it. Yeah, I'm like you.
Had one job 1. Job.
Damn it, Bobby. But yeah, Ari's got a lot on his
plate. Divorce his caseload 'cause he's
a paper pusher. He's just too much.
He don't have he. He ain't got time for that.
Yeah, nobody got time for that MAT.
Yeah, it's spelled on Wikipedia with two TS.
Sorry. SO2TS Detective Carrie walks out
and she's like, I thought you were a real detective.
Why do these scenes remind me of a Forgetting Sarah Marshall
scene where he's like his penis was cut off and put in the
freezer or found behind the freezer or whatever?
Talk about Dixicle, remember? No.
Forgetting Sarah Marshall when it was.
Oh yes, sorry. Alec Baldwin was like.
Oh, in the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
His Dick, his penis was found underneath the freezer.
It's a talk about Dixicle. Yeah, but the way they talk
reminds me of like that. Like.
Because it's that stereotypical drama, the way the cops are men
to be. CSI type.
Shit, dammit, Matthews, you're unhinged.
The mayor's on my ass and blah blah blah.
I picked a bad day to quit smoking.
Look, see, look. He's smoking.
You just fucking called it. So there's also continued
conversation between Detective Carrie and Eric.
And it is implied because they they removed some scenes and
some dialogue about this, but it is implied that at some point
Eric and Carrie had an affair, which is why he's getting a
divorce, which is why his wife got primary custody and why
Danny doesn't like him. But they cut out most of that
information. And so we get like a subtle
thing of like you've Carrie says something of like you already
lost your son once. So they mention it, but they
don't mention it. They don't go into details.
But I feel like that would have been more important because.
For why though? Yeah, Eric is obviously such a
big focal point for Jigsaw in this movie that it's like, show
me all of his impurities and flaws so I can understand why
the fuck he's here. But.
It's kind of so fast, by the way, this whole beginning part.
Well this is this movie is like an hour long.
I know, but 90 minutes they said let's go.
Of him having a dream and it says look closer and he found
the thing and it's just kind of like super set up.
It caught Porsche off guard. She's like, well, how did they
get there so fast? I was like he had a dream.
Yeah, no, literally. He literally was whirlwind,
Yeah. Yeah, so Eric doesn't want to
work on this case, but he has a a very vivid dream that night
about a steel company warehouse and he believes that is where
Jigsaw and his next trap is going to be.
So in the following morning, he calls out the SWAT and they all
head over. But yeah, this, I had looked
down to make a note, looked back up and I was like, how did we
get here? It's I mean it moves fast.
It does. You can see the whole cast
though and crew in the reflection of the giant steel
truck and it makes me laugh every time.
Oh. My God, yeah.
Because you can see the shadows of it when the when the truck
pulls up on the back right the first one, the first big ass
truck that pulls around that corner makes like a right hand
turn. Which to me, just seeing the
cat, the the shadow of it, you can see it even on the side of
the car. Yeah, like those cat there's
like you see the boom mics and shit on the big truck.
Whoops, Brilliant. Yeah, I love stuff like that
actually too. Right there.
See him right there in the reflection?
Click it out. Standing there.
Because now you can like Scrabble that away, but it's fun
back in the day to spot the wire hanging from the guy.
Yes, and like the the boom, my guy in the background being
like, fuck, I really, I'm in this scene and I really didn't
be, you know. Yeah, someone wants to know.
It's around 11 minutes and the reflection on the big slot truck
so you could see the people holding boom.
Thank you. Thank you.
Yeah, anyway. I think Jerry and I have
mentioned it a few times, but one of our favorite like
childhood shows a smart guy and I swear to God you can see that
boom mic in almost every single episode of that shit.
'S up of the screen. It's just like always right
there. And I'm like, why?
Why is this? Why did no one catch this?
Yeah, it's like almost every episode.
Clear like clearly there. Like right here.
Like, yeah. I think one time we saw an arm
or director like standing there in the bus arm in the corner
while I he's that guy and he's just like there with a hat
standing in the corner in the dark.
He's like no one told him get out of the shot.
One of the. See you.
One of my favorite ones that comes to mind is Batman Forever
2 faced and his two faced and his two lady friends.
Jack What or Tommy Lee? Jones, Tommy Lee Jones.
He's walking into like his lair and if you look real close you
can see Jim Carrey in the background as the full Riddler
costume just waiting to cut. Like waiting for his cue?
No. Way.
He's just he's standing there with the cane clear as day.
And they because your your, your eye focus is on Tommy Lee
because they're walking toward the camera.
But if you look here, you can see Jim Carrey.
That's so funny. And of course like 2-2 maybe.
That. One no, that's that's the next
one OK, but like 2 minutes later he comes in you know, because
he's Tommy says the line and he pops up, but you can see him
like they definitely could have seen him.
Just waiting. Yeah, what are you doing here,
Mr. Green Man? Who's that guy in the green over
there? Who?
Fucks that guy. Who's that guy in the green?
So sure enough, they walk into this steel mill and with very
much ease, they find John immediately.
Look closer. He wouldn't have done this on
purpose. I mean, he would have done this
on purpose. Wait, he would have or wouldn't
have done this? Now that I've seen this movie,
unexpected. Now that I've seen this movie a
fuck ton of times, I realize I'm like, Oh yeah, they walked right
in. They walk right into a trap and
none of them sees this. Yeah.
And you guys are you? Guys, this is this is.
What you do? But this is my point, this is my
point. They've already dealt with
Jigsaw, they already know who he is, they know that he sets up
tracks. He doesn't murder people, they
murder themselves. If you just find him just
chilling, don't you already know?
Like we're already too. Stake out the place.
Shouldn't you kind of like proceed with caution?
Agreed. Keep like, keep looking in other
other places just in case like some other shit's going.
Down I think you're pointing out exactly what I was about to say
is these from the beginning, the police officers were dumb.
They're using a batter ram on a door that pulls out in the very
once again. It's like one of those people,
people are pushing on the door and.
The door opens and they're using a battering ram on it and
somehow it opens like they they hit a like a battering ram.
It's right after the scene you see them pull up with a
reflection on it around 12 minutes in and they go and they
batter and ram the door on the outside of the facility but the
doors opens outward. Love so.
So that was for a movie effect. Yes, stupid.
Dude, So they find John and you know they're arresting him or
whatever and then he says some ominous stuff.
He's like, you might not want to do.
You might not want to arrest me just yet because you might want
to go save your son first. Bum, bum, bum.
So we find out that Danny, Eric's son.
Daniel. Dan Daniel back with.
The Jigsaw games. You know, you know, no one ever
did that to me. I'm so surprised.
I think we've done it in the first season, no.
No, no, no, I know. But like when it was a thing in
the amount of people around me, no one ever did it.
No one did it. No one ever did it.
That well, I'm going to start doing it everywhere.
Yeah, I'm like, you should have never said that to us.
The worst? Damn, Daniel.
So Danny is stuck in the house with a ragtag bunch and.
Ragtag. And they have to escape this
House of horrors that is also slowly killing them with some
type of poison that's being pumped through the walls, right?
Cut with the fence, yeah. The vents or they were like or
or was it like a needle prick in advance?
I didn't really. Understand they've been
breathing it in since they were kidnapped.
Got it. Since they were in that room, it
started. Well.
And I know we're jumping the gun a little bit, so I don't.
I mean, you should have already watched this before listening to
this podcast. So yeah, we'll talk about it
more when we get there. But Amanda isn't drugged, so how
is she the only one not affected?
What do you mean? So we can talk about it more
when we get to the end of. It wake up.
No, she's drugged. No, she's not.
She's the only person in the house that never coughs.
Never coughs. Blood.
Well, that. Means so that's why I'm like, is
it being pumped through the house or is it something that's
in them? Like were they shot with a?
OK, so you're thinking now that Jigsaw was just like basically
lying and saying that it was coming through the vent to give
the illusion that Amanda is part?
Of a victim, yes, correct. That's what I'm saying that's.
What I want you. I'd probably go with that one
then because if she's not coughing and it is pumped
through then there's no reason why she wouldn't be.
I don't think she was asleep at all.
I think she was listening that whole time.
Oh no. She was never asleep.
She was never. Asleep.
She just came in through the door, didn't she?
I mean like. She just plants herself there,
you know? Yeah, no, like I'm saying she
was laying there like he did in the first one, but just
listening. And when everyone else woke up
and she heard everyone what they were doing, she goes.
Yeah. I was just wondering, do you
think that they're pumping more of the poison into the air
system because Amanda never gets affected with that?
No, I think. No, I don't.
Think so. It's not being pumped in, it's
just something that was shot. It's just a fog machine or
something. It's a fuck.
Like I don't think he's pumping any.
He's just saying it and it's like doing a placebo effect.
Yeah, got it. It's a ruse that makes sense,
so, And Eric basically needs to find Danny before he gets all
the toxic fumes within his body because it'll start to make him
bleed out from every orifice. That's what I wanted John to do
after delivering that information.
Like why wasn't there a big evil laugh?
Well, he's he's. Bleed out of every orifice like
that's. Such a you know what I'm saying?
Just try to do a laugh and then be like.
The cancer. Why, why, why oh why has he got
this like bad guy Darth Sidious robot?
Why is he wearing a? Why has he got a costume?
Oh my God, he does look like that guy from Star Wars.
And we've got to kind of give him.
What's his name? The Emperor.
The Emperor? He does look like the Emperor.
But why has he got a costume? Why is he wearing the robe?
Because he's not. Because.
It's Halloween, Daniel. God.
Damn, Daniel. Not then.
Because if you remember, it hides a lot of things, like in
the first one with Danny Glover. Yeah, but he's got no reason to
be dressed like that because he does fuck all for the movie.
Yes. So why is he wearing the Jigsaw
costume? Sorry, I keep doing.
That because that's. Not so that hopefully people can
understand, yeah. No, he's not Jigsaw though.
Like he's he's never. He even says I didn't coin that
name. No, no, no, no.
That's not my point. No, I know your.
Point, but he's he's like taking on the moniker of a bad guy, the
quintessential bad guy by wearing a bad guy costume.
But didn't he wear that in the beginning?
Yeah, No, no, not in the first one.
First movie. Yeah, remember.
Only when he came. Only Glover's character and that
one dude gets shot in the head. Oh, when he's trying to escape,
Yeah, he's. Wearing the robe and he's.
It's just like it's. Running down.
But he was in the middle of doing jigsaw stuff in this one.
It's like he clearly is too. Jigsawing out.
I yeah, he's not Jigsaw, he's just chilling.
I expect it to come out that the cloak is like laid in with some
kind of medicine for John. Kramer, John Kramer.
I think. Kramerang out right.
Now, yeah, I, I wanted it to come out that like his jacket
that he's wearing or his hoodie, cloak or whatever is like
helping him with his cancer treatment.
That would like disguise the fact that he's wearing, not
that. Cramer, I just want to be clear.
No, no, I know. That's why I stopped, Yeah.
He really does look. Like, yeah, why is he?
Why is he villain dressed where he pulls the hood up?
It zips all the way up into one of those lizard costumes with
the lizard jackets. Yeah, he almost could be the ice
pick dude from I Know What You Did Last Summer.
He's like 2 inches from a slicker.
Could be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, it's very look, it's just, it's a silly point,
but it's. It's a good point though, I get
it. But it is a robe, isn't it?
It's not a hoodie, right? It's a robe.
It's got to be a robe. So just so you guys kind of have
an image in your mind of what we're looking at.
Basically we have the main steel company, this, there's a bunch
of monitors set up where we're watching the room with all the
people in it, the room where it happens.
And we've got to keep John, kind of we've got to keep John around
because we got to save Danny. So now we're going to zoom into
the room. So now we're in our house.
Great transition, great transition.
I actually really love that, that transition where we just
bleed right into the TV and we get into our ragtag crew.
I am not going to introduce everyone because if I'm being
real honest, I didn't pick up on everyone's name, but you know,
we'll make there's a couple people here.
That's really important to point out.
First, I would like to point out a character, Laura, who is
played by Beverly Mitchell from fucking 7th Heaven.
Let me tell you, that was a big poll as to why I watched this
movie because I was a big 7th Heaven fan as a kid.
Go on. Which one's that?
She is the blonde one. She is one of the characters
that we don't get a full back story on.
But I have done some research so I will be filling in those gaps
later on. Please don't let me forget.
But yeah, Laura's here. Beverly Mitchell, I guess, does
quite I She's into horror movies.
She goes to conventions. So if you ever want to meet her,
like, she goes to these horror conventions, and she's done some
other horror movies after this. I don't know.
I thought this was wild. She just always played a very
safe, nice, sweet character. And it was cool to see her,
like, get all dirty and stuff trying to break out.
Yeah. And by the way, 7th Heaven was
still on air at the time that this came out.
I thought she did this afterwards to, like, break free.
But no, this was in the middle of making that other show, one
other character that I really need you guys to notice.
His name is Jonas and he is a second timer on our podcast.
Do you know what movie we saw him in first?
My life is Jonas. Definitely that one.
Sound like a Weezer. Oh, oh shit.
Oh my God. I'm wearing a Weezer shirt.
Jerry should remember this 'cause I brought it up to him
last night. So I'm really looking at you and
I really need you to not go on IMDb and figure out no, he goes.
I I I remember. I'm not.
I'm just trying to figure out which one Jonas is and then not
to be able. To tell.
Oh, that's Jonas. He's he's the.
Oh, both. Showgirls, they're saying.
Say less bad. Just say.
You just have to tell me which one Jonas was.
Jonas and one of my other favorite movies he's also in.
Show goes to speed. Speed.
That's right, he's the guy in the car.
The guy in the in the green jaggies.
Ohh yeah, yeah. I also this is a Jag.
Man, I also pointed out to Jerry he's in a couple a few seasons
of Sons of Anarchy. Yes or lost too, right?
No, no, he's not. He's.
Not he's not Harold Pinner Row. Harold and Kumar.
Harold Pinter Room. But what colored jacket does he
get hit second time on the pod? Oh shit, does he get something?
Green. Green I think.
I'll figure it out, but welcome back.
But welcome back Glenn Plummer. It's nice to see you when.
Welcome back. And then there's some other
people here too, but not everyone necessarily gets a
name. I'll kind of introduce them as
they're important to the storyline.
One of the most important is Amanda.
One of the other important ones is a fellow named Xavier, and he
is our resident angry guy. OK, he's just the angry guy.
He is very much the hot head of the house, the one that does not
think as we have and will point out, you know, randomly just
trying to open doors and. The idiot.
Throwing, yeah. Throwing keys away and chucking
people around, yeah. And.
Being a general menace to society.
Yeah. So the our final really
important member, as Daniel had mentioned is Amanda.
Amanda has a similar waking up. She is face down on the floor.
This is a thing from last movie, so that is supposed to be she is
remember. She is the survivor of the first
trap. The very first one.
The first one that the cops know about.
First one, yeah. She escaped, yes, because she
was the first escapee. She's the reverse banner.
She's the only one to survive. The reverse.
Winner. Yeah.
Other than the Doctor the Kai's leg off.
Yeah, I'm like, there's a few survivors because as the movies
will proceed on, we start to meet like there's a survivors
group of people who have survived Jigsaw traps.
So that's a later thing, though I realize that's in like, yeah,
like 4 or 5 or maybe something like that.
It's in one of the other sequels.
Not we're not quite there yet. But yes, Amanda survived the
reverse bear trap, and she is very thankful to Jigsaw for what
he did for her. That's an important note to
mention. OK, OK, put that in.
Pocket. Whatever Could be a back pocket,
could be a front pocket. Could be a side cargo pocket,
what could be a hoodie pocket. Yeah, it could be a Velcro
pocket. Could be a Velcro pocket.
This feels very like frozen shrimp unfrozen shrimp, shrimp
scampi shrimp burger. On the Bobby shrimp, on the.
Pocket lemon shrimp. Pepper shrimp.
Orange shrimp. Grapefruit shrimp.
Chocolate shrimp. Chocolate grapefruit shrimp is.
Disgusting dog food shrimp. Cat Caribou, crusted shrimp,
Blue milk shrimp. Blue cheese shrimp.
Amanda does kettle. Corn shrimp.
Amanda does a bunch of things that to me seem very obvious.
And I feel like, I feel like if I was paying attention, I'd be
like, girl, you up to something. Yeah, but.
How do you know the wall was there?
Because I'm sure you've got eyes, but how do you know there
was a hole in the? Wall No, she finds this
recording device and tape almost immediately.
And I know that I know that she's a survivor, but like,
girl, you ain't even trying to be subtle.
Like there's subtlety is not in your dictionary.
But whenever Amanda wakes up, she almost immediately finds the
tape recorder and plays the clues for the room.
Basically what they have to escape the house, yes.
Before the. Escape.
But yeah, it's an escape. Room.
The door opens. In three hours, they'll be dead
in two. Oh wait, say that again.
The door opens automatically in three.
But the poison. And but the poison will.
Surging through their bodies. Surging through your veins right
now, there will be blood. Yes, and she scowls.
The fucking wood. The fireplace.
Yeah, well, I mean, she's doing everything that you should do by
panicking, but not panicking, but kind of feeling around the
room, Right. Because they're not.
They're not in a darkened room like the first one.
It's not as dire. No.
Well, it's pretty dire. I also feel like.
Microwave shrimp. I personally would feel a little
bit better. I'm like, well, at least I'm not
going to die alone. I got all these people around
me, so that's good. No, unless I kill them all.
Unless I kill them all, that's true.
Caesar salad shrimp. So we get to the point where
they find that little key and it literally tells you what not to
do. Yeah, it literally says don't
use me on the door. And they're like Lizzy, use it
on the door. And I'm like these guys.
Are. Savior says.
They they literally did that. Let's go do it the.
Door they do that and then OK so here's the funny part of this
part he. Put us never look in a keyhole.
Just put the keyhole in it. Yeah, and that one dude is the
first dude. The expendable dude.
Yeah, the expendable. Dude it.
Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, Sylvester
Stallone. Expendable.
No, that's a great movie. Is that Gus?
No. No, it's not Gus.
Gus's later. No, it is Gus.
Yeah, Gus is our first None. None, none, none.
You done. It doesn't matter anymore
because he's dead. But he goes and turns the key.
And if you look at the gun, you know how when you if you fire a
revolver, the hammer has to hit for the pin to fire the bullet.
When he turns the key, you see the hammer going back, but the
gun fires, then the hammer goes forward.
Another prop mess up there. Yeah.
They didn't have the biggest budget you.
See it as as the cameras panning it fires before the thing and
then the hammer hits and it. It's just that.
It's not. It's not as close as it could
have been the. Effect.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I also I thought that was funny.
Sidebar mistake, but when does when does Jigsaw the puppet come
out? Have we already seen him, Billy?
Billy. His name is Billy.
I'm. Sorry Billy, pay the price.
Yeah, he'll wheel up on you and shoot with a like Taser.
Where's my money, Smokey? Are you smoking?
I don't want to have to kill you, Smokey.
Where's? My money, Smokey.
He's in the house with the swat of while these.
Guys, the Billy in the ice cream truck.
While these guys are losing it, I'm gonna tell you where he he
showed up in the house with the SWAT team.
He's at. He's at the top of the stairs.
Oh, that's right. He comes up and goes fuck you.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that we we lost.
We lost a couple. We had a couple casualties.
With the SWAT team, there's always a couple casualties.
But the one, the one part, that one one was pretty brutal.
The guy is. Screaming for like. 10 minutes,
he dropped. Yeah, someone.
Steps on of his misery, A staircase that drops and then
boards come out and and they don't break just his knees, they
break his fucking femur or his shins.
Tibula Tibula shins in half. Tibula and tibula.
Falls. Back literally like.
Onto four other crew members. There's definitely.
A fence electrocutes all of them that are on the fence.
Yeah, they're fine. They died.
He's in pain. He's in pain, his shin.
He's when everyone's walking around.
I know, I noticed that they're. Like no one helping him.
No one's like medic. Medic needed on floor 1.
They just literally just like. Somebody.
Yeah, we got, we got to clean up on aisle 4.
The worst, The worst. I mean, there is no sense of
what do you call it, like a unit.
You know, it's just like, no. Are you OK, Dave?
No. Cool.
We're gonna go on. We'll come back for you.
Actually, no unit. Actually, no, we won't because
we're just gonna walk over you like we didn't hear that.
You're screaming in pain. Poor guy, I felt so bad for him
and also I was like stop the wailing though Yeah like I get
it, you're in pain but like shut the fuck I'm.
Walking, buying, telling him yeah, screaming.
Yeah, no, they and they left him screaming there for the longest
time. I'm just saying.
What they think of helping them is going to give their presence
away. That he already knows you're
there. It's it's funny that they didn't
even kind of like write into the script like someone on their
walkie, be in the background even.
Like it didn't even have to be the the main that guy, the black
guy didn't have to be him because he's obviously kind of
like a sub main character. If it was even one of the guys
behind him on the radio slightly been like medic needed they
could have done that, but no. And saved them.
Yeah, but no. Also another side note for
things that we will talk about more later.
So they're just assuming we're watching a live feed through
these videos. Why is no one looking for how to
get into that house? They are the whole time they're
they're no, they're trying to find, yeah, they're trying to
find out where the signals coming from.
Wouldn't they be able to tell that it was a recording?
There's no, there's no piece of like equipment that would have
told them there. There would be no signal, so
there's nothing to trace except to place the signal that would.
He did it and placed it somewhere else.
So the VHS is actually playing in a different spot, so it would
take them to a different area. Which is why they're.
Working on going to to a another.
Trap They're they're working. On OK, so John, John's was
working smarter, not harder. Yes, yeah, he's working the
room. And when they finally get to
that house that you know is in the end, it's it's, that's where
the signal's coming from and it's not the location.
Yeah, and he doesn't kill those cops when they get there.
No, they they're just so he is. Well, they're lost.
On a murder room. We'll come back to that.
No, we'll come back to that later.
He's. Not is he?
I don't. I don't I need.
To he doesn't directly kill anyone they kill.
Themselves. Daniel what?
I'm not standing up for Jigsaw. Jigsaw rights, baby.
What about? Who?
Which one thing, right? He's giving them stuff.
What if they overdose? Yeah, you're a murderer.
Yeah.
All right. So this is just learning
lessons. So thank you.
Jigsaw is a Jigsaw is a serial killer.
He's just. Also, why don't they try to
break that fucking gun off the door, see if there's any more
bullets in it. No they do, don't they?
Or am I wrong? Is that in the other one?
Don't they grab? The Oh yeah, they know.
They do grab it. They try.
He. Grabs it at the end.
He grabs it and tries to like take the gun off.
It doesn't work and I don't know why.
Oh, because it's jigsawed on there.
Yeah. Gorilla Glue.
So John wants some alone time
with Eric, but just to, you know, to help him get get get to
Danny, I guess. And so he agrees and he shoes
the cops away so that they can sit one-on-one.
More on that later. Back at the house, the gang is
finally able to break free of the room.
Yay. We got out of the room and now
it's time to explore the house. By the way, everyone just woke
up here. Nobody remembers how they got
here. And we get some backstories, but
not everyone's Which. Kind of bums me out.
Yeah, it's kind of frustrating. There are deleted scenes that do
carry like what each person was there for and why and how they
have cause what we'll come to find out is they all have a
connection to Detective Matthews.
All of those things were cut for time.
So I have some of that information for you guys.
Just let me know if you want to hear it as we go along.
But yeah, basically there, there's more of a back story.
They just didn't get to it. But they do start to realize
that some of them have spent time in jail together.
So they're starting to put together a little bit of a
puzzle, but they never are able to fully put it together because
realistically they don't all want to work together.
They don't all get to find out why they're in that room.
Some of them die before that, don't they?
Yeah, yeah. Before that, one of them dies
before he even leaves the room. Oh yeah.
I mean, yeah, they don't end up finding out.
Some of them don't end. Up some of them don't end up
finding out actually Xavier is one of the only ones that kind
of puts all the pieces together but just in the most aggressive
way. But we'll see how that turns out
for him later. So Eric sits with John back in
the room and he reveals John reveals that he knows a great
deal about Eric's past and his past police work.
And this is where we find out that Eric has not always been
following the book. He's not a great.
Guy Naughty, naughty cop. He's a naughty cop, one might
say. Naughty.
He's dirty. Planting evidence.
He's a bad guy. Strong manhandling people to get
confessions, you know, you're our standard stuff.
And even though like we're talking about all this like, OK,
I guess my question is like, John thinks that Eric needs to
be punished, but punishing Eric, he uses his son and I'm like,
but where is the lesson here? Does anybody else feel that way?
What do you what do you mean? Like most of his like saw trap
lessons make more sense. It's like you didn't take
advantage of the life that you were living.
So I'm going to use what you've been doing against yourself to
kill you. And I don't know if this.
That's all of his, that's all his, that's all he's trying to
do, isn't it? But like, there's, there's,
there's better ways, like instead of kidnapping you and
putting a reverse bear trap on your face and kind of giving you
a lesson about how the fact that you shouldn't be a junkie, maybe
take him to get ice cream and talk about it, you know?
For real. Like, I'm not really under.
I'm like, so you stole this guy's son and this is supposed
to teach him to do better police work?
Yeah, well. Like what?
OK in watching this again, this is one of those ones that's
really frustrating because John literally tells Matthews what to
do and he's so hell bent on being this disgraced, divorced,
discredited cop. I just used 3DS discredited cop
that he his anger is like blindsiding him into not
listening to what John is saying because he's literally giving
him the keys to. If he's sat because the.
Safe was just there. Nice.
Yeah. Oh yeah, that's right.
If he sat there and was had a nice chat with doesn't.
Even have to be nice. He just has to listen.
Don't say if he was nice, just sat there and chilled.
Gave it patience. He's a bit of a Dick.
Nothing would have happened. He's a bit of a Dick.
Like he, you know, I know John's not.
Also, John's not Mr. Rogers but like Eric treats him like proper
shit. What if, what if, What if?
Lieutenant Eric. Dan.
Lieutenant Diane, what if Eric never remembered the logo of the
factory? Yeah.
Oh yeah, How would we get here? You're making a lot of
assumptions. About this dude, exactly.
There there is. Yeah, because John, John's
obviously planned this out to the tee to make it work, right.
So the the recording. John and Amanda.
Yeah. Do they plan the entire thing
together? Yes.
Yeah, that's what we're. Supposed to do so, Yeah.
If he hadn't have had that realization, what was John going
to be? Was this going to would?
Would Amanda have done something?
Would she even have been? There would have been a
contingency, right? Yeah, It was like, was Amanda
going to then drug Detective Eric?
And that's how we would have gotten started.
Like how? Yeah, there had to have been a
a, a, a. Hint left.
Yeah, like for him Plan B, if you will.
Yes. So back in the House of Horrors,
Laura actually finds a door to the basement.
So they end up going down and exploring in there.
And this is where we get to our first trap.
Also, this was something that I always thought was weird about
this movie is like in other installments, we always have
like, this trap is meant for this person, this trap's meant
for that person. This house has that feature, but
we don't get to all the traps. So.
So we don't get each individual storyline again.
I feel like that's a missed. Opportunity.
We get huge opportunity. Missed.
I feel like this one, This one is specifically for OB right?
Yes, yes, this first, this first trap in the house that's meant
for a a single person, so to speak.
The rest, the rest of them are random, no.
Not the rest of them. There's one or two more where it
was for a specific person. But someone else does it.
Yeah. And I'll talk about them as they
come up. There's a couple more that are
like that, OK. And there are some traps that
are just for the house in general, but typically, yeah,
they are supposed to all have an individual trap that they have
to work through. Certainly the tape made it seem
like that. Yes and so this trap for OB is
fucked. No, I always I, I Fast forward
this one, there's something. About Jerry kept trying to warn
me about it, and I was like, I don't think that's this movie.
I think that's later on. And no, it was.
Like it was this one. And also, I do want to say one
thing. He had a lot of faith that he
was gonna jam his head through that window.
Yeah, they would have never had the combination to the safe.
Just a little bit of a back story for those that are
listening. I know it's like a what is this
thing that he climbs into? What is that?
Called furnace, furnace, furnace.
Furnace. I couldn't think of the name.
What the fuck? Honestly.
Honestly it looks like one of those ones you put a casket in.
Yeah, like for. Oh, cremation.
Cremation thing. Thank you.
Oh, it's a funeral house. Could have been creepy.
So yeah, he has to like climb into this furnace thing to get
some of the antidote and get out before the fire.
Old loaf. Takes him and he he, he don't
make it. Nope.
He dead. Does he take one of the
antidotes? Huh.
Does he take one of the antidotes or do they both burn
up? 11 He pulls and it just breaks
and that's what starts the fire and then the other one he holds
in his hand but it's like. I think it broke up, doesn't it,
He? Broke or left it in there?
Basically there was 2 antidotes. There you go.
And there was a way to turn it off.
He just needed to look for the devil if he listened.
Look for the devil inside. The devil inside, That's right.
And then if you go in there, the first before I crawled in there,
I would have looked around. Oh, devil inside a red knob.
OK, OK, go ahead and shut the door.
OK, I'm going to pull this thing.
I know something. Well, you see.
When he when he pulls that, that shuts the door and starts it.
He crawls to the end right and pulls it and starts it.
What I would do is look around before and red knob.
All right, cool, pull the thing. I know it's going to shut the
door. I know something's going to
start and it quickly turned a knob.
I won. For real, it really was like
that trap. Before the door opens, inject
myself. Fuck all of y'all.
Well, I've got two. I've got two, yeah.
I'll give you one. Yeah, I'll.
Take somebody one, but you know what I'm going to do is I'm
going to pick who gets it. I'm not going to let you guys
fight over a big guy ain't getting it.
I'm stabbing someone like the kid or the girl.
I'm getting someone I I want to. Let or maybe even the not to.
Let them fight over. It not Laura but the other one
because her symptoms look like they're much quicker
progressing. Fast, Beverly Mitchell.
Yeah, I always wondered if. Her character Bevmo.
I always wondered if her character was like stolen first
so she sat in the house like the longest and maybe that's why she
gets taken out the. Fastest.
Just out of like, she's her memory.
All at once, her memory is the first one to come back and
remember who kidnapped her, right?
Yes. Which?
Was Oh, and she points out before OB passed away, before OB
passed away, before OB died, she did mention you.
You're the guy that took me in the middle of the night and.
She's the only one that we get that that flashback for, yeah.
Correct. And we find out that he took, I
think he took more than just Laura.
I think he took a few of them, if not all of them.
Or it's made to imply. That if he just took the time
with the flashlight she found on the wall to look into that thing
and it just pisses me off. Yeah, this one was so easy to
get out of. It really didn't have to go down
like that. And this is, yeah, this is
pretty, but look. This is my point.
So the first one is so easy, right?
You know that you're in this House of horrors.
If the other one's got resistance, would you really tug
it? Well, he's going to know that
you didn't pass it if you don't. No, I know, but.
So what I would do is go get a rope, tie it to it, walk out of
it. Dang, pull it now you're
thinking MacGyver that shit. Have it just set on fire, but
reach in real quick and turn off the knob and then when it's
cools down go in there and pull it out.
Yeah, but not of it being there the whole time.
But if I'm like, oh, so this needle is attached to a a chain
and every time I pull this chain.
That door looks like it the. Door swings.
Also they had gone ran around to that other side quicker.
They probably could have pulled him out even if it was through
that small ass glass window. Is that him looking at it and
realizing that he's fucked? Yeah.
So I'm going to not speed run, but I'm going to speed run some
of like the talking points. That kills and all that stuff
that's. Kind of.
So John and Eric are still talking, but the conversation is
really going nowhere and you can kind of tell from like an
audience point of view that Eric is being tested by John.
Meanwhile, Danny, back in the house, talks odds with Amanda.
He knows that Amanda has survived one of these trap
things before, and so he's just trying to ask her, like, do you
think that we could all make it out like you did it by yourself?
Like there's got to be better. You know better than anyone
here. He hints that his dad will have
the whole city out looking for him to which Amanda like looks
at him and definitely seems knowing about something but just
goes on with what she was doing which is like looking for
antidote or whatever moving forward.
Sorry I got lost in my where I was at.
Don't be sorry, just be better. Oh my God that's so annoying.
I know, I know. That's what.
I say, so there's a latch door and Amanda tells Xavier finds
this latch door and he's trying to open it and it clearly
doesn't want to open, which means it's a fucking trap my
dude. But this guy, this guy does not
listen. So he forces open the door.
And they find a key or no, they find a key to open the door.
And this is where we have the Pit of Needles scene.
This one I this is the. One where I I looked away the
whole time I came. I know, I know the behind the
scenes about it. I think it's amazing that they
did 120,000 syringes and then funnily enough someone
accidentally dropped four real ones.
They. Were Porsche.
They were literally searching for a needle in a haystack. 4
needles in a haystack. They that must have pissed off.
I wouldn't have jumped I if I was Shawnee Smith, who ends up
getting pushed into this pit of needles.
The moment I heard about that, I'd be like, Nah, I'm not doing
that scene no more. You better find somebody.
Else there's definitely. Something in that pit.
There's definitely something about it that even though I know
they were rubber tipped. It's still.
It's the I think. It's like I'm looking at it and
I'm thinking like, no, there's no way.
No. What if one of them.
Right. And I know, I know they weren't.
But it's it's I can't get past. Four days, 120,000 needles out,
rubber in right. There's something about that
needle pit that like really that's this is the, this is one
of those ones where I can't do. Cringes.
Your body it proper because the it's all sound it's.
All and the. Sweeping of them it's the.
Sweeping. It's all the sound of the glass
breaking and the the the the the way the sound of like plays with
you in this. Yeah, that like the clinks.
Yeah. And like the of like the glass
hitting it. Basically, they did a good job.
Basically, you know this one's probably the one of the worst
ones. Like most terrifying of all of
the traps. And it's also definitely for a
moment. When when they do actually,
finally, she finds the key, yeah, and pulls.
Them out, Yeah. And she's on the ground and
they're pulling the knee. He's the what's his little the
boys pulling the needles out. Damn, Daniel.
Yeah, that's a animatronic arm they had.
And with the fake, with the fake was moving and stuff when he was
like pulling the needles out of her arm when she was on the
ground. Oh, really?
And crying. Yeah, that's animatronic arm
that she had. Also would like to point out I
don't think they listen to a tape in this room.
They don't. But this?
This needle pit is actually meant for Jonas.
Is it really? Amanda got pushed in because
Xavier is a piece of shit. It was for doing it.
I thought it was for Xavier it because because he gives people
steroids. Oh.
I'm pretty sure it was for for Xavier.
We just literally. Thought yeah, I literally just
learned. We thought it was three
different people. I thought it was for Amanda
because she was a junkie previously so it would make.
Sense it would make sense, but she doesn't.
Actually, I don't know if she has one.
It is. No, I don't think it's for her.
It's definitely not for her. She just got pushed.
Yeah, she just gets pushed, yeah.
And that sucks, I thought. Jonas or Xavier?
Oh, it's Xavier. Yeah.
Oh OK, so it is saviors. OK.
And he just decided to push her in instead.
That's why he's a roid rager is because I think he sells roids.
That would be. People at the gym and destroys
them. OK, well, thank you for pointing
that out. I know this might sound silly to
the listeners that we are watching, talking about it and
that you guys watched it last night.
I watched it this morning, but we still miss things.
Yeah. Absolutely.
I want to play a game that you've been playing, like as a
drug dealer. That's right.
Oh OK, that does make. Sense Does Gus get a room then?
You force your customers. By answering.
This room, you know, he said. You force your customers to get
better. It's like he's a he.
He's selling at the gym. The razors for the wrist, that's
the one for Jonas, because he was stealing money from a
company. He was embezzling money.
And so hand in the cookie jar. Gotcha.
That's his. Got it.
So then that takes care of wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait. Maybe I don't need carry on.
I just I've got this kind of. Like, no, it's been a monologue.
There's there are some traps for people that we just.
And then there are general traps.
You said that OK, they don't get there.
They don't. We don't like we.
Never get to see Laura's because Laura just dies.
And then we just. We just never.
See the trap? Yeah, or get your big butt
inside that guy. We don't see his because he gets
killed by Xavier. Basically.
Yeah, which by the way, it's kind of a pretty funny that
false moving and when he's supposed to be dead in one of
the scenes. Is he moving?
Yeah, like when the Amanda and. Terry is always watching for
that shit. Look at it.
Dig a breath, take a. Breath, Amanda and the boy come
back in and they find out he's still dead.
He's dead on the ground with the bat in his head or whatever.
Jonas Yeah. Yeah, when he's on the ground.
He's moving. Yeah, he's completely like you
could see him moving. He doesn't.
He's on the ground, but you can see he's not dead.
Also side note, the pit of needles.
They don't. Have to spare.
They don't get the key to into the door in time.
It's the. Only.
Trap in the whole franchise I believe, where no one dies as a
result of not of failing. But what?
What would a What would that door do?
Who knows? What does it say?
Your door to freedom. You can leave.
I think maybe. I don't remember what the what
the tape said. I this is me knowing Jigsaw.
If it was Jigsaw, it's probably a room to another room.
Yeah. But once they had that door
open, they. Would have had another.
Trap, bro, You open the door. If you see a fucking darker
room, you're going to walk in. I'm going to go around something
and go the other way. True.
OK. But what if?
I mean, if it's outside, that's pretty obvious too.
Which is not, he says. This house seems fucking huge.
You'll have to find the key before your timer run OK.
Otherwise, the door. Hello Xavier, I want to play a
game. The game I want to play with you
is very similar to the one you've been playing with as a
drug dealer. The game of offering hope to a
desk for desperate a price. I think you can agree that the
situation is desperate. Then he goes on.
The price you pay is must crawl under the pit, blah blah blah.
Timer expires. The door in front of you will be
locked forever. You'll have to find the key
before the timer runs out, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah. But what does he say?
And then there's no consequence for not for failing, it's just
the door stays locked. Yeah.
OK. That's it.
Yeah. So you're.
Locked in the you're. Locked in the house because.
So no one knows what no. You're not, are you?
Because, well, no, you are. You'll die anyway.
I was thinking that door is going to be locked.
The main door is going to be. On Yeah, as long as you don't
want all the doors in the house locked, then you're good.
But if you lock this one door because you had this one
failure, it's like, OK, whatever.
Yeah, but then by the time the main door is open.
You'll do anyway, he says, if you can unlock the door and
retrieve the antidote inside that room.
There you go. OK, so then you would have
survived? I will give you just one hint to
where that key is. It's like finding a needle.
I'm still freaking out about that.
So back back in the Hisity house, Laura is fading pretty
quickly. Here she is.
She is barely hanging on for a dear life now while she's on the
floor minutes away from death, she points out.
Also she says some really random, like weird stuff like
babbling while she's dying about like all the people I won't get
to talk to. And I don't know why she says
that. I, I don't know if it, it
bothered me because obviously like I know this actress from
another main thing. So I'm like, well, what's her
story? So I had to look it up.
Laura's a shoplifter. OK, so she that's why she was.
Also that's why she's here. OK but I feel like why would
you? She's a shoplifter and she got
into a saw house. Yeah, You would plant evidence
on her to get like, because that's what Matthews does,
right? Matthew plants evidence on all
of them. But what is did he planted?
Oh, maybe he was. Oh maybe Daniel and her were
like shoplifting and so he sent her to jail instead of Daniel
because he can do shit like that.
She. Doesn't look young enough to be
Daniel's age though, because Daniel looks like he's like in
high school and Laura looks like she's in her 20s.
Fair. So, I don't know, shoplifting, I
was like, that's her big offense.
I'm like, all right, whatever. I don't fucking know now.
Yeah, like what the purpose of? What did what?
What did she? Petty theft.
Yeah, yes, that's what I'm saying.
Gloss at Forever 21. And and Matthews planted a bag
of cocaine. In.
Her forever 21 bags. In her forever 21 bags.
So when she got stopped by security because the alarm went
off, they called the cops. Yeah.
And she was arrested and sent to jail.
Boom movie. Oh my.
God, because I'm 20. Pounds of ecstasy in her purse.
And she didn't realize. Yeah.
She didn't even notice, she just thought she brought.
Where did that come from? Dumbbells.
She was like, I just wanted a pair of jeans for tonight.
I accidentally brought my dumbbells to my.
So Laura points out an ex that marks the spot before passing
out again. They find behind it's like a
picture frame on the wall and behind it they find a picture of
Eric and Danny and it says father and son on the back.
So now everyone's putting together.
Oh, your detective Eric Matthews, son.
Yes, and we've all been in jail. The bright stuff.
Like that they we've. I thought you were making.
Oh yeah, I thought you're making a.
Confession. So they're all putting two and
two together and they're like, oh, and he and Danny's like he
has the same reaction that I was thinking of.
Like I'm just his kid. Yeah, what's his?
Kid, what do I have to do with him?
Also what were they going to do with him like beat him to death
or like do they think he has the anadar?
Well, yeah, as revenge for for their wrongful arrest.
Like I'll kill your son. I'm like, come on now.
Come on. Get it together.
Get, come on, what are we doing? What are we doing, guys?
What are we doing? So they start putting the pieces
together that his dad set them all up.
But just as they're starting to do that, that's when Laura
starts having seizures on the ground and my girl dies.
My girl dies. Dude.
In. The I was about to be like.
That's a different song. Oh, wait, wait.
Wait when I see y'all. Go back to that one.
What was that one? Dawsons, yeah.
Don't. Do it.
Oh my God. I think.
That's the more you tell me not to do it, the more I want to.
I know, I think that makes me why, like makes me not want to
watch it because I think that song annoys me just fast.
I can just skip the intro, right?
Yeah, OK. Fine, you got the flicks of the
Nets right? I just found my password.
Word or the Lou of the Who's? Netflix.
The flicks of the net. Netflix and saw.
Oh, sounds painful it. Sounds painful.
So in another room in the house. Sorry.
There's slight pause for me to catch up with my notes.
Xavier. Xavier, this man, my man.
Dude, calm down. Thank you and I wish someone had
taken him out before he goes on his face.
He's so annoying. Yeah, because I feel like he's
so annoying. If Gus had taken out Xavier,
Gus, Amanda and Danny could have could have probably completed
it. Yes, I think that too.
I. Mean, obviously.
Have you got a movie? It's an escape room.
Yeah, it's a giant escape room. You just need smart, calm
people. And he is neither of.
Those muscles. Doesn't visit me off as the girl
that reaches into the next kill or whatever which he reaches
into the box. Well, you can see what's in the
box. Yes you can.
This. This one annoyed.
This is. This is one of those ones that
annoys me. Why?
Because you could go around, look in the House of Random
Items, shove it up there, hold it up, ohh, and reach in with
one hand. You could even do it two hands.
Oh my God, what do? You.
Why would you do that? Why are you doing that?
You just reach up, push it open, reach in with the other.
Hand let me catch the audience up so we can describe to them.
Do one of these guys? Yes.
So, Xavier. Box.
So Xavier is full of rage. He's so upset that he ends up.
Hungry. He ends up killing Jonas in a
rampage with that there is a bat that he found earlier with
nails. Why do they just have these?
What's his face? Bats just.
Like I have Negan bats. Yeah, there's.
Always Negan bats in fucking horror movies.
I don't get well. No, he like set it up like a
game, like here. Oh, there's a bunch of tools
here. Whatever happens.
Also I think this was poor planning.
Why did they put this Xavier dude in this house?
He's not he it. Some of them die because of his
hands. Like just him.
I feel like he is a monster and there is no way he was going to
feel better about his life after completing any of these traps.
And I think it's a he. He was a poor choice as a player
for this game. Just saying.
Anyway, so he kills Jonas, and after killing Jonas, this is
where Xavier realizes that the numbers are on the back, are in
the back of your mind. It's painted on the back of
everybody's neck. His name was Jonas.
And so he's like, oh, I'm going on a rampage now.
I'm going to find all the numbers I'm going to find.
Clonk 1/3. Clonk 1.
What's he going to do when you get some more?
You still got to figure out the combination.
My favorite is later on when he when Amanda's like, how are you
gonna get yours? But we'll get to that later.
Don't don't say it yet. We'll save it.
It's amazing. Also while Xavier is on his
rampage he finds the picture of Danny and his dad.
So now he when he sees Danny it's on.
Meanwhile, Eric and John we're talking, and Eric finally
fucking loses it and we get to see the real Detective Eric
Matthews. He's he throwing John?
John is is just like a weightless creature, he's just
throwing him around the room. Honestly this felt this felt
good to me 'cause I'm like John annoys me.
Jigsaw. Yeah, but this, this whole thing
annoys me because it's, again, if he'd have just listened.
Probably could have ended this earlier and maybe saved a couple
lives on the way out. No, they were dead, but he could
have gotten his son back. Faster at least.
Don't press the button. See.
Look, I mean, this is the thing about it.
You fuck with Jigsaw, right? And then he's like, OK, OK, OK.
You've beaten me to a bloody pulp.
I'll just tell you. Game over, right?
Game over for you, Not for me. Yeah.
You press that button, you're fucked.
Yup. Should have just sat down and
listened. It's true.
So annoying. These movies are so annoying.
So then we get to the trap that Jerry was talking about.
I want to give you some space to really dive into it.
But this is where one of the girls, and I'm sorry, I forgot,
I forgot her name, but if you're curious about her story, she
she's the one who's going to put her hands in the thing.
She is supposed to be a prostitute that Detective Eric
ends up sleeping. With I thought it was some Oh my
God. And he gets demoted as a result.
So he plants cocaine on her and that's how she got arrested.
So if you wanted her back story, hers is fucked.
Like that was the most I was like she doesn't deserve to be
in this house. I mean, I guess she was a
prostitute, whatever. Sorry, you're a sex worker and.
You're. Yeah.
How dare you. I'm sorry.
You're just trying to make a living, yeah.
You know what, after he beats him up and he goes down the
elevator, he makes the office go down.
That shot that they're above is the same reused, recycled,
recycled shot from Hollow Man Love.
When they go down the the elevator, the same shot Love.
Yeah. I mean it's also from other
movies too but just thought it was funny.
Oh, that's good. So yeah, what's her face?
Puts her her hand. So there's this like box, a
glass box with an antidote inside of it.
And there are these two what seem to be armholes to reach in
and grab it, but they are made out of metal knives.
Yeah, like sharp metal. Fun fact, this was actually a
working prop. It had the things been actually
metal they could it that that trap would have actually worked.
Like there's a few traps within the movie that fucking work.
The the iron mask one also worked which freaks me the fuck
out. I was like, I can't.
Gone off. Yeah, yeah, no, there was like a
mechanism and it did actually, No thanks.
So anyway, this thing actually fucking works.
And yeah, you're right. If she had just put only one
hand in, figured out she couldn't get out of it.
Put the other hand up, open the blades right, It would have
opened all four. It would have done.
It would have done one of these jobbies.
Yep. Right and fallen back.
Right, so then you could have gone or then you would have done
the same thing on the other side.
And then reach in and then scrape the glue off the bottom
of it and pull the antidote out. Yep, don't be a dumb dumb.
Yeah, and also, is that a glass box or plexiglass?
Yeah, 'cause you could have taken the bat and beat the shit
out. What is that shit 'cause you
could have broken the box, yeah. That's plexiglass.
That's yeah. Yeah, what is he building out a
bulletproof glass? No.
That's why the bats there, yeah, 'cause like, it's always look
closer, it's always look around, it's always do this, it's always
do that. And yeah, I'm not gonna go on
put my hand in that blind box. How's it hanging on the wall?
Jump on that ship. Put it down.
Yeah. Yeah, well, how?
What is it Swing? That motherfucker around?
It was really one of the easiest traps to get out of and it's.
It's also the saddest. That's why it's annoying,
because it's also one of the most kind of just like simple
ones that he's done. It's literally a Chinese finger
trap. Yeah, literally.
Yeah. So Xavier walks in and she's.
If you were thinking that Xavier might help her, think again.
Yeah, he just moves her hair to the side, gets her number.
He says thanks bitch and then loose Yeah and locks the door.
Get your big, get your big butt back inside.
Oh, he's just. Shameless plague, Don't listen
to Men in Black. He just killed what's his name
from Showgirls? Jonas Yeah.
My name. At least he had a sloppy fish.
I was just, I was just going to say I was just going to RIP on
that well. Sorry.
Anyway, thanks for all you showed up.
OK, I'm done. I'm really done this time.
So the cops finally catch a break and they locate the house.
So they all start to head over there.
They even throw Jigsaw into the into the van and then away.
They locate the signal. Yeah, they locate the signal.
Piece of shit out of him a few more times.
Yes, yeah, he bloody as fuck. Also, does he does he make it to
a whole nother movie? Oh, Jigsaw John, yeah.
Yeah. Yes, at least two, remember.
The movies Does he live through? Quite a few, right?
Yeah. Or does he die in the third one?
I don't remember I. Don't remember but there's one
where he's like. Three or.
Three or something. And the doctor, yeah, he's like,
he's like doing surgery as he's awake.
I think it's 3. 3. Yeah.
So let's see, where are we at? So back in the back in the crack
house, Amanda and Danny find a trapdoor to escape from Xavier.
So Xavier is literally running rampant in the house, so Amanda
and Danny are running away from him.
They end up finding a trapdoor and fall into like another
location. And guess what location we're
at, baby? The original, let's say.
Wouldn't the police be investigating that first place?
Yeah, when when there were. Already been founded.
Oh yeah, 'cause the doctor escaped.
Yeah. Oh yeah, good point I forgot
about. That so it had already been
investigated. They just don't give.
A shit another point they missed in the movie, Adam was was
handcuffed or leg cuffed on his right leg and then or on his
left leg and it's actually on his right leg on his body in
this shot. So it's on the wrong leg.
Oh yeah, they had to recreate this entire set from the first
movie. And correct me if I'm wrong, the
first movie, it started out as a short like I think they they did
the bear trap thing and that went to like some film
festivals. They got funding and then they
made saw one. Very, very, very minimal budget,
massive return. Gotcha.
So that's why they they wouldn't just have the set available,
because it was probably not. No, it was probably.
Scrapped. Yeah.
Yeah, just some could have been in a building that was going to
be torn down because then, you know, rent would have been
cheap. Yeah.
They had limited amount of days. This was shot in 25 days.
Yeah, which is insane. That's so fast.
Like 6 scenes a day or something
like that. That's insane.
Meanwhile, the cops pull up and infiltrate the house, but they
do not find the dealers. Detective Kerry can't see them
on the security cameras. That's so wild.
We'll just have to check back in on them later.
That irritates the police work in this movie.
No, they don't think. They don't.
They don't police it's. Not clocking to them, it's.
Not clocking to them at all. So Amanda leads them to the
original set as we were mentioning.
So we're on the original sauce set.
We're in that stank ass bathroom.
Fucking disgusting. Xavier eventually does find find
them and Amanda is trying to negotiate with him to be like,
you know, like someone's going to need your how are you going
to know your number? And this is where we get the
scene where Xavier is he not going?
To cut it on the back of. His name, that's what I'm
saying. What if he cut them half the
number off and he's like fuck. Well, it was it A6 or A9 or a
four? Yeah, a three.
Shit. 8 or A9 or A6. Amanda told me what the rest of
this. Looks like a comma.
Yeah, he doesn't know what it is.
Also fucking terrifying. A note that I read online is
like at the end of it he takes it out, looks at it, and he was
supposed to just throw. The flash in his pocket he puts.
It in his pocket like a fucking weirdo.
I was kind of expecting him to eat it so that Amanda didn't
know the number like. I'm not gonna lie, he cut that
in a perfect square. Yeah, how do you do that bro?
They would not like. Precision.
I'm like, I dare you to try to figure that out.
I don't. Have you ever tried tearing A
hangnail off? It doesn't come off straight
like a fucking box cutter. I.
Was like how dare you even see that?
How? Dare you bro?
Did you see what I thought? It was like all the light
drained out of Daniel's face just.
The same thing as like a scab, it doesn't RIP off.
A perfect square. That is not the same.
You just ruined me dude. That is not the same thing.
I vivid, vivid hangnail when that have you seen that?
There's that fear that if you pull it, it just keeps going.
Yeah, yeah. No.
Oh God. So that's what you just did to
me, Jerry, Damn it. Damn dude.
So yeah, Xavier has absolutely lost his fucking mind.
But thankfully this whole like showcase of machismo has
weakened him enough that when he goes to try to attack Danny,
Danny's actually able to push him off relatively easily and he
slashes his throat. So goodbye fucking X.
Or Earl in this case. Goodbye Earl.
My God, what a terror he was. I love how long it takes him to
realize. So now the cops finally realize
Oh my God the feed wasn't live this whole time.
Fuck. It.
Well, do it live. I was doing this to Jerry
because this is what they do. They do because it says play and
they're like it's. Like they're watching a, they're
watching a tennis match and I'm like, can you guys get your shit
together? I was.
Half expecting one of them to be like, I think it's a recording.
Yeah, but he's like, wait. Just like real suddenly so they
don't embarrass. Themselves.
Pile of fucking VAVAVCR. S with a tablecloth over and
he's like. Oh.
VCR on loop. I wonder what that does.
Yeah, idiot. I hate it.
So all of the police, the SWAT team, everyone starts to pull
back because obviously this shit, there's not, there's not
much they can do. These people are dead.
Eric. Eric ends up getting kidnapped
during this time and this is where we get our our big reveal.
Apparently the you can. You can hear the music coming
in. They tried to keep this very
quiet on set so only the principal actors knew what was
going to go on and anyone that was going to be in these final
shots didn't get their their portion of the script until like
4 days before. So they were trying to keep this
hush. This is also the era where
movies were constantly getting leaked online and things like
that. Like Scream went through many,
many things like this too, with a lot of their sequels of trying
to, they would have constant like fake scripts and like fake
names and anything to keep people from knowing what was
going to happen. And so this is where we find out
that Jigsaw has taken on a protege because, you know, as we
see, he is dying of cancer. So he wants someone to take over
the family business. So I choose you.
Amanda is like I volunteer as tribute and so we see a whole
montage of tax. Breaks.
Of Amanda and Jigsaw just hanging out, you know, just
chilling together, getting nice. Doing a jigsaw puzzle.
Planning murders together. Doing a jigsaw, hey.
You know what we should do after this?
He says do a. Reverse bear trap.
But yeah, she, like I had mentioned, is a jigsaw
enthusiast, so of course this was his first pick.
More on Doctor Gordon later because he helped with
apparently one of these traps, but we don't find that out for
like a couple sequels. Oh yeah, just don't forget about
him. The guy that survived in the
first one, right? Yes, Doctor Gordon.
Doctor Gordon did the eye thing. That's what it is.
That's right, 'cause the trap in the very.
Beginning is by Doctor. After your SO, why does it show
John doing it? It doesn't.
It shows a hoodie. Shows a hoodie figure.
It could have been low Red Riding Hood basically for real,
you know, or. Wendy from Casper meets Wendy.
So when Wahlberg goes into the what if, you know, when Wahlberg
goes into the room, the basement room, Yeah, there's no signs of
Xavier's head being smashed in with the toilet.
Oh yeah, how did he just. His body's whole, his head is
whole. There's no damage to his head in
the skeleton. Oh, that didn't huh?
I wonder if there was a different way they were going to
kill him off. They just changed.
It there's 5 alternative endings, yes.
OK, yes, that was the other. Thing I should have lined up the
endings then. Edited.
I want to see the alternative. I was sad we have the first Saw
on DVD and we don't have any of the sequels so I really want to
watch the special features for this one eventually.
See, this is when they had special features like they
don't. Do that anymore like good ones.
Yeah, like, but you know how the making of Yeah, I love all that.
I do too and now, now all they do is like a commentary and I'm
like commentary is cool. Or like gag reel.
But I want other shit. I haven't bought a Blu-ray in
years. One of my favorite ever
purchases is The Matrix. Oh, I bet the special features
on that. Well, I can kill.
It has a complete documentary called The Matrix Revisited
where they talk. It's a 2 hour documentary the
same length of the movie. Hell yeah, it's all good.
And then they have special features.
Sorry, there's a documentary and then special features.
So that is like, that's crazy. That's my bang for buck on that
one. You know what?
I don't have it anymore, but I used to have it when I lived
with my parents. But I was obsessed.
Like I really was obsessed with Spider Man.
They bought me that. That was my first Blu-ray.
Ever. Those are good.
Special The Spider Man Blu-ray. Yeah, Fuck yeah.
There's so many good extra features in it.
I love the original spider man. We should go see them.
They're coming back in theaters. They're even doing Spider Man
2.1 in theaters. Never been done.
Oh. I'm down.
I want to. 2.1 is the. Andrew Garfield, one, right?
No no, No 2.1 is Spider Man 2, which arguably people think is
one of the best comic book movies.
It is. There's lots of scenes that they
shot that were obviously cut. Yes, 2.1 is all of those
restored in there. So they added them in there.
So some of the scenes actually make more sense now.
Well, some of this, well, some of them are cut for obviously
like not like fluidity of the movie, but.
It still makes sense. There's a very funny gag scene
that I do remember watching of J Jonah Jameson in the Spider Man
costume and that will be in the. Just playing around.
Yeah, jumping on his desk and like being Spider Man.
It's fucking hilarious. Hell yeah.
That will be in the movie. Let me speed run and we'll get
to the final 'cause I just realized I didn't quite wrap it
up just yet. So we know that Amanda is part
of it. She helped put together this
entire thing and she has been a plant in the house the entire
time. It shows her locking away
Detective Eric at the end and she says she is the one that
gets to deliver. The.
The big reveal and she gets to say what's the what's the?
Game over. Thank you, she gets to say game.
Well, she says her own tape. Yeah.
She listens to a tape after he shuts the door.
This is definitely meant to be Jigsaw handing it over to
Amanda. Yes.
Absolutely. And it kind of works that way,
but it doesn't work exactly that way.
I I kind of like that, but we can talk about that as we get
further into the series. It is revealed that Daniel was
Danny was fine and he was in a safe in the same room with them
so. Tired.
Yeah, he was like a foot away. Yeah, and he's alive and yeah,
he's fine. We see Jigsaw laughing in the
car, knowing that what Detective Eric's fate was.
And that's where we that's where we wrap up.
Is he's locked in forever. Yeah.
He's. Locked in forever.
You'll just have to watch Saw Three.
How will Amanda continue? The jigsaw.
Storyline more to come, but that's where we end with Saw
Two. Now I need you to tell me your
thoughts, your opinions and most importantly, your ratings.
Should I go first? Yeah, please.
These movies, like I said, weird, guilty pleasure.
I don't know why I like them. I just think because they're
don't know. They're that.
They're like mystery. It's a fascinating look at a
human. Interaction, yeah.
Psyche. A social experiment, if you
will. I don't know, they're a weird
movie. I I, I don't know.
I don't like to tell people I like them, but maybe that's just
me. If I'm talking about horror
movies, that's kind of the only time I'll bring it up.
But you know, what I found is that a lot of people who are
outside of the horror community, like people who generally don't
regularly watch horror movies, find the Saw series to be really
interesting or have at least watched 1 installment.
Or this is the furthest they'll go.
Like, I know Joey's my buddy. Joey doesn't like horror movies.
I don't think he'd ever watch anything like this.
But I know friends that would be like I'll watch this but I won't
watch like human Sentai pad right Centipede.
Yeah, it's not. It's kind of like suspense and
psychological horror or something.
It's not like Scream and Freddie right you.
Know yeah, that's like a nameless monster coming back
coming after you and it's kind of like, OK that how many how
many times would I be in that scenario?
Frankenstein. Yeah, it's not necessarily
realistic. This this I I do think is
fantastical, but a little bit more like, well, that could
happen. What happens when I go to sleep
and I think someone steal? Me, I think, I think the thing
about it for me personally is like after the first one and the
way it ended, I was like, Jesus Christ, that was a good reveal.
Yeah. And then so when you find out
they're doing a second one, you're like, oh, the first one
was so good. This one has to follow suit.
So you watch it. Yes.
So then you get the twists, you get the turns and then Amanda,
Oh my God, Amanda's back and then you're like, well, fuck, I
got to keep going. Yep.
So then you do get this like it's a very good way to keep the
audience entertained. I feel like.
Because even though they studied.
For like. Yeah, even though they get kind
of silly and they jump back, they go forward, they add scenes
in where you're like, oh, he was in the background the whole time
and. You're.
Like and you're like, well, no, because I didn't fucking see
him, but sure, I'll go with it because it's so law now.
But I don't know, they're just. All law.
Sore. Lore.
I like that. I like the way you say that.
There's just this weird kind of you have to keep going and
watching them even though you're like, fuck, they're on 10.
Like Jesus, what are they doing now?
He, he died 5 movies ago. Who the fuck is Jigsaw now?
And then lo and behold, they always find there's another
Jigsaw. Yeah, there's always someone
else. Just.
Passing. They can go forever with this at
this point. Yeah, I don't know if.
They, I feel like they took a note from the Scream franchise
because that's how Scream to me stay in business.
It's because it's always a. Different scream took it from
where I'd say Friday the 13th because his.
Mom. Oh yeah, that's right.
It was Jason Voorhees. Mrs. Voorhees.
Was. Oh, it was definitely number.
Two, you know what I'm saying? Like take, take straight off a
straight up killer. Is Freddie right?
Yeah. The Freddie is like a.
Consistent monster change the killer up.
Yeah, you know. You can make it.
This person. Oh, no, It wasn't actually that
person. It was this person.
Yeah. And as you get down the road,
what you what you thought was Jigsaw in the mask is actually
this guy. And then it's the reveal.
And then it's like, Oh my God, it wasn't Jigsaw or.
Oh my God, it was in the fucking Art Room with a pipe.
Yeah, exactly. You know.
Where do you create this Daniel? Damn.
Daniel damn Daniel. I'm going to say like a 4.5.
I don't think it's the strongest entry in the franchise, but it's
AI think it's a solid sequel. It stands up on its own.
I think it kind of plays Lauren Hawks back, haven't said that
for a while to the first one. I think the twists on as
dramatic as the first one, but it's still in.
I mean it's it's an entertaining 1 and it's quick as fuck.
Dude, yeah. Do you want to give it 4.5
anything in? Particular.
Oh, sorry, 4.5. Damn, Daniel.
Yeah, I'm going to use that one, Yeah.
Noise, Noise Bip. No, I just went.
It's an entertaining movie. It's not my favorite song, no,
so I'll give it a. 7.5. I'm going to give it.
It's not my favorite one, but I'm going to give it a 10.
I'll give it a six 6. Shouldn't have looked in that
Fucking people. 6 Why aren't any of these people using their
fucking brain? Yeah, fair.
We don't always have to use quotes from the movie.
Yeah. I OK, so I like the first movie
quite a bit, to be honest, and I think the second one, to me,
this up the ante. This is one of those sequels
where when I saw it I was like oh shit, it got scarier because.
They had a big bunch it. Was really scary.
Not to me. It wasn't necessarily scarier.
It was. It was more more more ingenious
traps. Yes, the traps were way more.
And scarier to picture yourself in, like the one with the guy on
there and rotating that one. That one.
Oh my God, that one later. No, no, no.
I'm. Not ready to think about that
one yet. Oh God.
Oh yeah. Oh no.
The pendulum around like that? No, because.
That's this one. You remember the car.
Stuck to the Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, I thought I was going
to have to see Chester this movie.
And I was like having big regrets.
And then I was like, oh, thank God, that's.
No, that's like 5 movies from. Now I'm not ready for to to
rewatch that scene. He does make a.
He does make an appearance in Crank.
He does. It's a cameo.
Yes. Continue.
I cut you off. I'm.
Trying to remember what I was. Oh OK.
So yes, I think that the traps in this one way scarier way play
fucked with my mind a lot more. So I don't remember what I gave
the initial movie, but I'm going to give this one a solid.
I'm gonna give this a 6 1/2. I think this is better than
being just middle of the road. Like I really enjoyed this. 6
1/2 what? Fucking needle pits, Oh my God.
I can't. Stop thinking about it.
Oh. Some of the ones in this are
horrible actually. They do get worse though.
Oh that's what I wanted to say but that's the guy that burns in
the thing I was confusing him with a later installment.
There's a guy who his wife is strapped in there.
She didn't do anything wrong but he has to like answer these
riddles 3 or something. Like that?
Oh yeah. He cools through some stuff,
doesn't he? Is that the one where the girl's
going through the meat grinder hanging?
Yeah, same. Has to do something.
See some of them get a bit too, kind of like.
They get real, like weird and dark.
But I get it. Yeah, it's not murder, no.
No, no, not well, Well, no, no. I'm just saying like, you know,
you go so far and then like, how do you keep coming up with traps
that are going to outdo the next one?
You know, well, you have to go ask the guy from the Mccainy
Manor. Oh God.
You know he'll tell you how to. Do it.
I think if you wanted to actually put yourself in a saw
trap, that's as close as. Close as you can fucking.
Get Yeah, go to Mccainy Manor. Is that place still open?
I don't know, there's a documentary about it.
There's also a YouTube who went and signed up and got a picture
of the documentary and video, like undercover stuff.
He like went in there. Same guys that that took over
the Yellow Deli Cafe, that's a cult ran by those Mormon people
and they said they they're part owners because if you work there
and then they fired everyone else and they're like, it's our
business now. Yikes.
They took over it on purpose just because there's a cult.
Terrible. Yeah, terrible.
But thanks for thanks for watching Saw 2 with me on this.
You know, lovely morning. Morning.
Yeah. Just go on about your day now.
Well, not now. You've got the rest of the day.
Go have fun. Judy, thank you as always for
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Daniel next week is your our pick and we are finally past the
spectacular. Do you have an idea?
2020 what? You might be picking.
Yeah, I mean, it's fall. You got ideas?
Yeah, I mean, I'm not completely like, you know, what's the word?
My idea was more like fall fall love ROM coms kind of getting
into the mood of Christmas. Really.
Family time of those types things.
There are definitely some on my list.
Yeah, that could be considered a ROM com.
Alien versus Predator. I see.
I was thinking things like fifth element.
Yeah, I mean sure. I mean whatever bro.
Fantastic Mr. Fox. I don't know what any of those
things are. You don't know what the fifth
element is. I mean, I've seen clips of it,
but I've never you've. Never seen the fifth element.
My parents were really into that movie and therefore as a kid I
was like, Nope. Actually, I don't think we
should do that one. Luke Besson is not the.
Are we going to Why you want to do Alien month?
I don't know yet. OK, see look, I had an idea.
But then. But then I fucked it up by
saying it should be. But then like, I'm thinking
about a Fifth Element and I'm like, I love that movie, but I
don't like Luke Besson because he's a horrible person.
So do we do that and then talk about?
We talk about everything here. Yeah, I know.
You know, I had a different pick.
I had a different pick going into this last week.
I wanted to show you guys a horror classic.
And then I realized who directed it, and I thought twice, I want
to, OK, I've already seen it once before, but I know Jerry's
never seen it. I wanted to watch Rosemary's
Baby. I think it's a really good
movie. I think Roman Polanski is a
piece of shit. I don't want to watch anything
that he's done. Well, I mean, that is a good
movie though. It's a good.
Movie. You know what?
Some one of my Co workers at work watched the prophecy.
Do you know of it? Christopher Walken.
No, no. What is it?
I haven't seen it, and I wonder if we should just go blind into
it and see if it. Kevin.
Thank you, Kevin. Christopher Walken is the
Archangel. Gabriel Vigo Mortensen is the
devil. Never heard of it.
It's 90s Google this is. Something my mom would have been
into. But Google the cover.
You might have recognized it going around a video store.
Never watched it, Might pick it. OK, who knows?
I might save it for something, you know, because it's, I think
it's a horror movie meant to be a horror.
Movie. I mean, I was thinking about
doing a Thanksgiving horror movie called Thanksgiving.
Never heard of it, never seen it.
What about that one with David Harbour where he stands and he
goes around killing people? He's a Pilgrim, right?
I don't. Know there's one about a Pilgrim
that goes around and kills people?
In is it? There's a lot of yeah.
Is it one with? Rock or whatever.
Is it hard? Rock or whatever, Hopper.
Hopper's in it. Hopper's is in one of the ones.
Oh yeah, Hopper is in one of the new ones I'm cutting down.
Then he looks like he can play. He can play Santa Claus.
Yeah, he could also play a good Abe Lincoln, I bet.
You know, Daniel Day Lewis, that's that's my guy, bro.
Daniel Day Lewis damn near looks like him.
Like they could be related. Even with.
The yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like Hopper.
Well, until next time y'all, it's been fun.
I do want to shout out a movie real quick that I watched called
Love Hurts. Oh, with Ki kwan Ki kwan.
Uh huh, dude. I want to watch that.
Dude, the same director as John Wick 2.
Chad Stahelski. Yeah, the the, the, the fighting
scenes. They're amazing, I've heard.
Are John Wick Yeah, but fun. I think everyone who hasn't seen
that, you could probably watch it on Amazon Prime or.
It's a sex sex movie, isn't? It it's it's one.
OK, here's the thing. I think it's one of my favorite
Valentine's Day movies. Now all.
Right. Well, if no one picks it by
February, we'll do that. It's a Valentine's Day movie, so
now it's one of my favorite picks.
What's the one that you showed me recently?
The action movie? Is it called Nobody?
Nobody. The first one, yeah.
Yeah. Just a side note because you
were mentioning a movie that you watched recently.
We watched that. Also the same.
I kind of liked it. Same John Wick choreographers
taught him the fight scenes in that.
The same choreographers in that movie as John Wick and Nobody.
That's a good the sequel's out. Too.
I know I want to see it, but I haven't.
I need to find it, yeah. You know, well, I'm going to go
home and watch Love Hurts. Do it.
I did really good guess. Guess who makes the fucking
appearance? Marshawn Lynch.
No, wait, what? No, the what's his name?
Who's the main character? Kiki Kwan.
Yes. So what movie is he famous for?
Indiana Jones and Goonies. And who would make an
appearance? Harrison Ford.
No, that'd be awesome to. Ask him.
Come on. Man.
Fuck it was dude, same way as Gandhi.
There's a not line in there. They say I love you, brother.
Like, like they're brothers. He is the same.
It's our time up here. Oh man, he might have said that
I was making dinner in and out and watching it, but he might
have said it's our time up here. I hope so.
I'm going to. It's so fucking good.
OK, I'm gonna fight scene with our cookie cutters.
It's on prime. It's on prime.
Oh. Excellent, but.
You gotta have prime. We still have prime for like 5
more days. I already watched it.
Some of us don't know how to cancel things accurately
apparently, but in on that note, we'll see y'all.
Bye. Goodbye everyone, bye.