1 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,680 Hello everyone, and welcome back to the cinema. 2 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,520 Sit down, it's cold. My name is Daniel. 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,040 I'm Jerry Joseph. And I'm Portia welcome. 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,080 Back. It is cold. 5 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:28,680 You're welcome to Season 4. Season 4. 1. 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,720 We are doing Oscar nominated or winning movies. 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,520 Or not even nominated? Yes. 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,880 Oh no, no, no. Some somehow affiliated with the 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,440 Oscars. So I was just throwing you guys. 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,120 On. That yeah, yeah, 10 if you're 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,680 paying attention already, I passed. 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,480 But yes, it's Oscars month. It is. 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,520 Oscar nomination month. It's not actually Oscar month. 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,280 No. No, no. 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,600 When? When are the Oscars? 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,600 Anyone know? March. 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,280 Yeah, they haven't announced it yet. 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,520 March. March. 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:59,960 March. Jesus. 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,040 Hey, well, yeah, well, it's. Normally around someone's 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,320 birthday. Oh well, sometimes it's in 22 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:07,520 February. Sometimes it is. 23 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,160 You're right, actually, yeah. Golden Globes too also turn me 24 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,560 off. I don't I also don't know 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,920 Critics Choice. That's. 26 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,760 A nice kind of precursor to true what's next, globes. 27 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,320 Globes I think are next and then or is it might be the People's 28 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:26,400 Choice, didn't we? Just have the Golden Globes. 29 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,000 No, that hasn't happened yet. Golden Golden Globes predict the 30 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,640 Oscars, so that's why I know we haven't had Golden Globes yet. 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,040 So we don't know what the Oscar, but. 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,000 The Critics Choice Awards, the movies that won for that, I 33 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,560 thought it was interesting to see where that could go for the 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,240 Globes and the Oscars, because the some of. 35 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,000 Them were that Marty Supreme movie is doing great. 36 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,080 Something else that I've had on my watch list. 1 battle after 37 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,000 another. What's that one about? 38 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,280 That's the Paul Thomas Anderson one Leonardo DiCaprio where they 39 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,280 play kind of like freedom fires his daughter gets kidnapped. 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,240 I just finished watching it. Do recommend, Oh sinners too, 41 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,480 come. On I've never we still have to 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,759 watch Sinners. I've never watched a Paul Thomas 43 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:11,520 Anderson movie. And that's just because I don't 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,840 think I'm like cultured enough. I don't know if I'm going to get 45 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,760 it. Don't cut yourself short. 46 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,800 Yeah, they look pretty. I I get the color style. 47 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,280 He did Bookie nights. It's sick. 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,040 I haven't seen bookie nights either. 49 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,000 Me neither. Doesn't he do a lot of movies? 50 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,720 Maybe is the one I was thinking of in my head. 51 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,120 Doesn't he don't do a lot of movies with Bill Murray? 52 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,040 Am I right about that? Paul Thomas Anderson? 53 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,520 Where's Anderson? Where's Anderson? 54 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,400 No idea. If we could get who's working 55 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,840 tonight? Shanice, Bernice. 56 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,320 No, they're off today. They're. 57 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,480 On, they're all off. Yeah, all the nieces are off. 58 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,440 All the clearly would you do me a favour? 59 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,080 Jim about Bernie. Bernie Free. 60 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,160 Bernie. Is Bernie here? 61 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,680 No one. No one's here. 62 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:53,840 No one's here. No. 63 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,440 Damn. Would you do me a flavour? 64 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,960 Yeah. Can you pull up PT as IMDb and 65 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,840 just have a look at what he's done so that maybe I could 66 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,720 educate you guys a little bit? PD Barnum. 67 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:05,320 No PTN. Paul Thomas Anderson Definitely 68 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,640 Boogie Nights. I think he did. 69 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,400 There will be blood. There will be blood. 70 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,880 There will be blood. I feel like you're supposed to 71 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,320 say it like that. I don't even know what that 72 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:16,040 would be. Like Saw. 73 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,600 Ten oh, he just he just released 1 battle after another yes, 74 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,880 which what just yeah, no, I just didn't know that was thought 75 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,440 that was a lot like I thought that was 2014 Mandela effect 2. 76 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,400 1014. Oh, you're right about that. 77 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,240 Oh, Magnolia. Magnolia. 78 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:34,000 Oh man, it feels like a movie. I'm supposed to watch. 79 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,760 This is probably why I don't like his movies. 80 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,560 He did punch drunk Love. That movie's awful. 81 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,880 Is it some people love? Fucking awful. 82 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,040 I really. Watched the whole thing. 83 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:42,920 Hate it? OK. 84 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,080 I think it's. Just it's a silent film that 85 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,840 really it, it felt like the whole movie. 86 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,800 Oh, this is the one you were making fun of a few weeks ago. 87 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,440 I didn't make fun of it. I just it. 88 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,720 I hate I I hated it when I watched it. 89 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,920 It was extremely slow and it's about a guy following some 90 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,720 random chick to Hawaii by saving up pudding tops. 91 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,240 That's what it is, a silent film. 92 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,400 I feel like this this came up a a while ago. 93 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,680 He's saving getting pudding snack packs and saving the tops 94 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,120 to go to Hawaii to meet a lady like that. 95 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,399 That's what the movie is. Renee Zellweger, right? 96 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,560 I don't remember it was that bad. 97 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,360 I don't remember. The. 98 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,920 Only thing I know is him in that movie and I know nothing else 99 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,440 about him except for him. Pudding tops silent film, 100 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,200 Charlie Chaplin type film. OK, one fight scene and then he 101 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,720 flies to Hawaii with pudding tops. 102 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,440 Let's do this. Let I I feel like. 103 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,680 Awful. Clearly you've had a bad 104 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,200 experience. Oh, it was bad because I I was 105 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,080 like, oh, there's going to be a nice, good, deep movie by 106 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,120 Sandler. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 107 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,080 And then you get putting tops in Hawaii. 108 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,880 Clearly, it's made a lasting impression on Jerry. 109 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,240 What I think we should do, I should do. 110 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,400 Yes, you should do. And I'm looking at him, not you, 111 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,640 but him. I feel like you should. 112 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,080 What? Maybe we should do APTA where we 113 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,360 watch doesn't have to be for the show, but it could be where we 114 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,960 do Boogie Nights, Magnolia. You should watch 1 battle after 115 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,280 another before the Oscars. Also there will be blood. 116 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:19,840 Like you could do a certain you could do that because I feel 117 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:22,600 like if you've only seen Punch drunk Love and you, you have 118 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:28,680 that opinion, then as a movie goer, I feel you should watch 119 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,520 Boogie nights. I feel you should watch I'll. 120 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,280 Give I'll give the director another shot. 121 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,240 OK, for sure. That's all. 122 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,920 I yeah, basically basically what I'm saying right now is you 123 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,920 should definitely watch 1 battle after another. 124 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,280 If you're not going to watch Magnolia, there will be Blood or 125 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:48,480 Boogie Nights before March. That's fair enough. 126 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,240 Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I think we should do 127 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,400 that for research, but. Nothing against the director. 128 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,480 No, it's just that movie. Specific and every director has 129 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,480 has a has a shit film. Every one of them. 130 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,040 They all at least one. Except Christopher Nolan, name 131 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,680 1. Except for Christopher Nolan, I 132 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:03,960 guess. The Dark Knight Rises is 133 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,160 probably his weakest, but he's he's. 134 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,440 It's still not bad though. His it's not bad, his. 135 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,680 I would argue David Fincher doesn't have a bad film, but 136 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,640 that's not because I'm biased. I mean wait, wait. 137 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,880 Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, Alien 3? 138 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,480 I can't argue with that, only because I've never seen it. 139 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,440 Never seen it. Yeah, but that's not his best. 140 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,920 But it even if it's not his bets, is it not it? 141 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,800 It's it. It could not be shit. 142 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,640 Sorry about my punch drunk rant, I just that movie was. 143 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,880 I felt like you needed to let that go. 144 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,360 So I'm glad you were able to, you know, excrete that. 145 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,040 Yeah, good for you. Let's play the fanfare. 146 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,280 I would like to say for 2026 that that should get an update, 147 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:49,560 but I do like it. I don't know if it should or 148 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,040 not, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm like, I'm on the 149 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,520 fence. It's been with us. 150 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,600 Yeah, it's it feels like a part of us. 151 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,600 Like do we update it even like our intro music like this now I 152 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,560 like it like I I I'm our intro. Music. 153 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,280 We should, we should keep those, but we are going to update. 154 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,320 We're doing another photo shoot. Yes, yes, we are definitely. 155 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,080 I think it's time for a little bit of a of an update a facelift 156 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,280 if you will. Yeah, just like a small 1 157 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:16,760 though. What what are the the baby 158 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,960 facelifts, if you will? But tonight we're doing 159 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,960 something also a little bit different. 160 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,960 Should we? We're not doing a Porsche's news 161 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,720 corner in lieu of trying this new format. 162 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,880 So skipping over Porsche's news corner, it is my pick tonight. 163 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,840 So we're doing something a little bit different do. 164 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:38,960 We want to. What are we doing? 165 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,080 Yeah, what are we doing? So the movie I have picked 166 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:47,080 tonight is A Black Swan and I picked this because I fell down 167 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,960 a rabbit hole a couple weeks ago into different conspiracy 168 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,000 theories about this movie and I had only watched it maybe twice 169 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,840 and I really didn't pick up on any of it. 170 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,000 So I was like OK, I got to dive down. 171 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,160 And so with that being said, it's part of why I picked this 172 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,960 movie is because I wanted to dive into some of the lore of 173 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,400 the movie. So what I'm going to do is I'm 174 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,080 still going to introduce it the same way I normally do, give you 175 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,880 some facts, give you some synopsis. 176 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,760 But instead of taking the scene by scene, I'm going to give you 177 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,760 an overview and then we're going to dive into these conspiracy 178 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,200 theories about Black Swan based on the iceberg level. 179 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,039 This is fully inspired by videos I've seen on YouTube where I 180 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:36,520 guess like the iceberg theory is like it gets darker and darker 181 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:37,760 the lower down you. Go. 182 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,320 Oh yes. So that's kind of what we'll be 183 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,600 focused on like. Dante's Inferno, Yeah. 184 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,960 Oh, that movie's hilarious. Remember Grandma? 185 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,400 Oh, that's Dante's Peak when grandma's in. 186 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,760 When she jumped out of the boat. Yeah, she's pulling the boat and 187 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,760 she's like. That's not that's not exactly 188 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:53,880 what you're talking about. Funny. 189 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,800 That fucking funny but. She's not funny, dude. 190 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,680 It's not that funny. Like what an idiot. 191 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:01,840 No, she saved her family that the boat was the boat was met. 192 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,360 Jerry, don't let me get into this with you now. 193 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:05,560 I. Mean they might as well just 194 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:08,320 used her as a paddle. Well, they did after she died. 195 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,040 Hollaback. Yeah, dude, did they? 196 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,560 No, I know. They surfed into the shore with 197 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:17,200 her body, Yeah. So with all that being said, 198 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,840 would you like? Flotation device. 199 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,560 Sorry, Portia. No, you just like. 200 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,840 So she's got her legs. Hold on, Grandma. 201 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:26,720 Come on. We're in the moles. 202 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,240 That is yours. Be sure in the comments, 203 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,760 wherever you are listening to us, you let us know what you 204 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,720 think of this format. If this is something that you'd 205 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,480 like to do, you suck. If this is something that you 206 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,880 would like to do, like us to do more often, then we, you know, 207 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,800 there's obviously not conspiracy theories for every single movie 208 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,000 that is in existence, but every once in a while. 209 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,000 I like this, could be fun new format. 210 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,720 I like it already. We could pick the movies that 211 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,640 have the conspiracy theories true. 212 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,160 There's quite quite a lot of movies with a lot of like. 213 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,840 The Wizard of Oz, all of them. You know about that one with 214 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,680 the? Well, that's just mostly just 215 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:07,600 like that. Was. 216 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,560 Debunked. What? 217 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:10,960 You know what I'm talking about. That's. 218 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,720 Not. Oh yeah, yeah, the person's in 219 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,120 a. Costume, if you look at it like 220 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,080 a really. Costume. 221 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:15,600 Is it? Yeah. 222 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,040 You sure? 100% sure. 223 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,720 Yeah, it's not. You sure about that? 224 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,160 Yes, Although I do think that set might have been. 225 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,400 Sure about that. A little haunted, that guy did. 226 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,120 That movie's creepy, though. The Wizard of Oz. 227 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:28,840 I love that movie. That's because you're creepy, 228 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,760 yeah. That guy did die of lead 229 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,920 poisoning. Yeah, the the I was going to 230 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,400 call him the Silver Surfer, the tin. 231 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,920 Silver Surfer. Wait, what? 232 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,320 Painting Fucking. Is he surfing? 233 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Yeah, squeaking. All right. 234 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,640 Would you guys like a little synopsis shit? 235 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,120 Hit me. Really. 236 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,480 This movie is everything Showgirls wishes it could be. 237 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,040 Nina Sayers is your average prima ballerina, equipped with 238 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,120 an overwearing mom and emotionally and sexually abusive 239 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,480 choreographer and many, many enemies all vying for the same 240 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,280 role. Swan Lake is a classic and star 241 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,840 maker for any girl lucky enough to score, and Nina will stop at 242 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,600 nothing, even to the point of self destruction. 243 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,600 Or does she? Black Swan came out December 244 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,400 17th, 2010. It's rated R. 245 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,080 It's one hour and 48 minutes long. 246 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,600 It stars Natalie Portman as Nina Sayers, Mila Kunis as Lily, and 247 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:33,120 Vincent Cassell as Tomas Leroy. Directed by Darren Aronofsky, 248 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,920 Written by Mark Hayman, Andres Hines and John Jay McLaughlin. 249 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,120 Produced by Searchlight Pictures, Cross Creek Pictures 250 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,040 and Zoom Zoom zoom Protozoa Pictures. 251 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,760 I don't. I have no idea if there's it's a 252 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,520 Disney panel original reference. I just knew Jerry would get it. 253 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,720 I have no. Idea there's an. 254 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,960 Affiliation, but it is Protozoa Pictures. 255 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,520 Why? Either way, it makes my heart go 256 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,520 boom boom. There is now. 257 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,000 If you know you know any. OK, So what were your guys's 258 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,640 initial thoughts before you watched the movie? 259 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Well, I mean, I don't remember, it was a long when it came. 260 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Out. When did it come out? 261 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,880 2010, yeah. It was when it came out. 262 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:16,160 So are you asking about what I what I felt? 263 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:17,720 I remember. Going into the movie. 264 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,080 I remember wanting to watch it. I remember the trailer. 265 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,160 I remember it was a, it was a point where I was like watching 266 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,600 everything in theaters and I loved that. 267 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,920 I loved going to the movies with. 268 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,800 This was my that era where I was going to the theater a lot, too. 269 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,120 Yeah, well, the movies were still affordable. 270 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:35,400 Oh, there's that. Yeah. 271 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,800 You can go for there was a $1.00 movie cinema over. 272 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,600 Fucking or or like cheap. We had a cheap there in Pasadena 273 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,440 that was like $2.00 on Wednesdays or some shit. 274 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,200 Yeah, it was sick. And then you got popcorn. 275 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,000 Yeah. Now if you movie and if you guys 276 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,920 see. The Oh my God, did you see the 277 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,280 new Avatar popcorn or the Anaconda popcorn? 278 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,640 Oh, how sexy is it? The the snake. 279 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,080 Is it a flashlight? Do you? 280 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,680 Make it a flashlight. Do you know how much it is? 281 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:01,880 No. 80. $79. Oh, Galacticus was 80. 282 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Yeah, 7999, perfect $80.00 for that pop popcorn bucket. 283 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,440 How big it's No, it's not. It's like as big as the paper 284 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,960 towel roll. No, that tall, No. 285 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,800 And the snake pops out of it, and then you put your hand in 286 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,240 the snake and that's where the popcorn. 287 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,480 Does it look sexual? That's why they're charging $80. 288 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,560 It's got to be You could put a light in there that has skin on 289 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:24,880 it, a skin light. Don't say that mate. 290 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,480 Don't ever say skin light. We have. 291 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,040 Fleshy tunnel we are. Missing the point. 292 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,840 I'm going to get either way. Buckets are expensive and movies 293 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,560 are not affordable anymore. This is true. 294 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,000 This is true. That's why we stream everything. 295 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Or yeah, Bernice, download it. I remember. 296 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,280 I don't know, I'm a fan of Aronofsky. 297 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,280 I'm also trying to remember what his kind of filmography is. 298 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,280 But I remember just being excited to go to the movies as I 299 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,560 was and still AM. It's just I was seeing it. 300 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,360 I was seeing like everything back then. 301 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,720 I somehow missed this in theaters, but I saw it like 302 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,720 after the fact that I I had this like, I don't know, I think it 303 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,080 was like hanging out with a friend and she just wanted to 304 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,880 show me these movies. There were two movies she showed 305 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,200 me. It was Fight Club and this. 306 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:14,560 What? Damn. 307 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,720 Yeah, and I was like, this is a lot to take in. 308 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,240 Both of them were a mind fuck. I guess I remember not really 309 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,120 knowing what it was about. I walked away from this movie 310 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,120 confused. I was confused. 311 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,880 I definitely remember not understanding it fully at the 312 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,360 end, being like, did all of that happen or is that all in her 313 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,680 head and because she's so self-destructive? 314 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,240 I thought they were trying a little too hard to be 315 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,800 performative in this movie when I first saw it. 316 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,720 What do you mean elaborate? Like I think they I think they 317 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,120 were working on a lot of. Different. 318 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,840 Concepts. I think that they were like, it 319 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,920 felt like they didn't know, like the writer didn't know what they 320 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,200 wanted to give her disability. Like she has a mental problem. 321 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,440 Obviously she has like schizophrenia, disassociation. 322 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,040 She's like. Mentally hallucinations and 323 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,760 stuff. She's definitely mentally ill. 324 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,840 Which is why she's an adult with. 325 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,840 With stuffed animals and she's an adult living in a child's 326 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,560 room with stuffed animals and she wears gloves at night 327 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,000 because she has night terrors. She's she has mental problems 328 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,680 because of that. So that's why her mom takes care 329 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,200 of her like a baby. She's treated like a baby. 330 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,280 Some people correlate her name as Nina, like a Spanish for 331 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,800 little girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 332 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,640 But her I've. Seen that one? 333 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,960 Yeah, some people kind of correlate that as her name 334 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,280 because she's still a baby and her mom and her, well, her 335 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,400 emotions. Her mom is definitely. 336 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,040 I will say let's pause this here only because we're going to get 337 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,560 more in depth into that later on. 338 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,520 So I don't want to jump ahead too much, but you guys are 339 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,160 definitely on the same path as a lot of other people have. 340 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,400 But you didn't like that online. I didn't like it the first time 341 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,040 I watched it. I, I, I mean, it's tolerable 342 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:02,080 now, but it's just, it just seems like they're just trying 343 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,600 to throw everything into one honey pot and we could talk 344 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,200 about it later, but it just seems like they're throwing 345 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:11,000 everything into one pot and then trying to see what sticks and 346 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,240 what the audience thought of it. And then they're like, oh, the 347 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,080 test audience really didn't they all had different opinions? 348 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,000 We'll just leave it like that. So it's confusing. 349 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,000 Like they really didn't have an ending to me in it. 350 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,920 There was no like I don't know structure to the whole thing. 351 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,400 OK, yeah, I I the only structure. 352 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,760 We call was, I think date of her doing her performance. 353 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,440 That was the only path I saw that was like structured. 354 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:41,920 Everything else was just so spaced out and flashy. 355 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,000 That's fair. I do think there there's a lot 356 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,960 of like heavy cuts and heavy like whoa, like we're and now 357 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,760 we're over here. Yeah, surprise and but I also 358 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,160 like that. That's the point. 359 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,120 If you if you didn't go. I swear if he hadn't beat me to 360 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,480 the punch he would be doing. I think that. 361 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,079 I generally think it's meant to be a tense, like 362 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:06,560 discombobulating. It doesn't, but it doesn't feel 363 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:07,760 tense. It doesn't. 364 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,599 Feel Mute the score and the IT feels. 365 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,760 Annoying that they it feels like they don't know what they're 366 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,720 writing about. Like they're they're lost. 367 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,200 They're like we just have to put something on paper to make a 368 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,440 movie. That's what I felt like. 369 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,800 Well, I feel like we're already like warmed up. 370 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,680 This is a a we're we're at a good pace for what we're gonna 371 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,720 get into. So if y'all already let's dive 372 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,680 in onto the iceberg. Jump had fun jump onto the 373 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,800 iceberg. I don't I don't know how to 374 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,040 transition that. Also, I feel like it's time to 375 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:43,000 retire the space jam transition. So from now on, I'm going to 376 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:48,000 quote Mulan and we're let's get down to business. 377 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,440 What do you guys think? Oh, as opposed to? 378 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,240 New season, new flavour. Yeah, Instead of the are we 379 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,880 ready for this 'cause I feel like we did that. 380 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,560 We got to, we got to let Space Jam die. 381 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,520 Maybe. Well, well, not die, but just 382 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,960 like on this retire that retire. Yeah, I'm down. 383 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,240 It's. Yeah, alright. 384 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,160 I thought you just add new new catch phrases when you wanted 385 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,080 to. Well, that's my new catch 386 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:09,840 phrase. Not every. 387 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,760 Year Every. Season not copy written at all 388 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,360 'cause I, I definitely don't own that. 389 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,000 So we are going to start at level 1. 390 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,480 This is going to be really light. 391 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,640 This one is just that the movie is a general criticism of ballet 392 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,800 dancing and ballet dancer life and their treatment. 393 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,840 So just talking about like really how strenuous their job 394 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,720 is and how they're really underappreciated, how far 395 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,280 they're pushed. On surface level, sure. 396 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,600 Yeah, I'm like, I feel like that's pretty. 397 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,560 That's pretty obvious. There's also the added idea of a 398 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,480 play on method acting and the dangers of losing yourself into 399 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,440 a role. Something that I saw online a 400 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,880 lot was that people were trying to make comparisons to the Joker 401 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,360 and this movie. See. 402 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:01,920 OK, now this is. This is. 403 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,240 Such and I'm like, stop bringing heath into everything we don't. 404 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,000 Think have we? Was I talking to you about this? 405 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,640 Well. He and how he got lost in the 406 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,280 role. Was I talking to you about this? 407 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,560 OK, I think this is wrong. I think this is wrong. 408 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,640 Which one? The fact that they blame Heath 409 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,280 Ledger's death on the fact that he went too far in the joke, I 410 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,560 think it's wrong. That's yeah. 411 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,600 I don't think that's what happened. 412 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,800 No, no, but it's what people bring up every time when they're 413 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,680 like, he died because he took the role of the Joker and. 414 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,160 He said for six. Months. 415 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,840 And he was on prescription pills. 416 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,640 Not correlated to the fact that he had depression before or 417 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,360 something going on. Yeah, yeah. 418 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,000 It's. He retreated from the public. 419 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,960 He said how much he hated paparazzi. 420 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,360 He said he felt overwhelmed, but there was a. 421 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,800 Lot, all of that he was. Political. 422 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,920 Before he took the role of the Joker. 423 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,880 Yeah, so also people are trying to put. 424 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,680 It allegedly, yeah. I. 425 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:55,960 Think. Yeah, I. 426 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,080 Think. It's exactly. 427 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,200 I don't like, I don't like when people just specifically when 428 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,280 they're talking about that correlation method acting. 429 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,640 Oh, that's that's totally different if we want to just say 430 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,760 something about method. Died right after Brokeback 431 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:11,720 mountain. They would have been like he 432 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,400 went to LGBT 2 gay, he went gay. Super gay. 433 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,520 You never go super gay. Yeah, you die. 434 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,360 Once you go gay, you die. I think this is exactly what 435 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:21,240 they would have said about that too. 436 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,640 This is why I came after Joker. True. 437 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,360 This is why I think it's wrong. So there's, there's, I think 438 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:27,840 there's like a misconception between like he's, he's too gay. 439 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,320 There's a misconception between like method acting and I, I, I 440 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,880 forget the actor. So I'm not going to name them 441 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,360 because I don't want to be misquoted, but I can't remember 442 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:37,800 who it was. But they said there's a 443 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:44,600 difference between, you know, diving into a role and taking on 444 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,880 the character and creating a back story and using that in the 445 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,680 in the movie. Even if you're not given that as 446 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,560 material or if you use any of it, you know what you're 447 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,040 bringing to the character that you're portraying and however 448 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,880 you want to create a back story. He had a wife. 449 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,480 He he had this, he was gay 1, Whatever the fuck it is, right? 450 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,160 Yeah. So there's a difference between 451 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,520 doing that. And then there's like this 452 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,000 method acting that I think if I use someone like Daniel Day 453 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,480 Lewis, OK or use him or maybe even like. 454 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,320 Can I play devil's advocate? Yeah. 455 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,480 Because I think there is a problem with and I think there's 456 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,600 a problem with method acting when it is is affecting your Co 457 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,840 workers and other cast mates and everything. 458 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,520 Because I think what Jared Leto does on sets, which people have 459 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,760 complained about before, like. The whole Suicide Squad 460 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,680 complained, 'cause he was sending like rats. 461 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,280 He. Was sending like dead rats to 462 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,320 people and shit and I'm just like stopped. 463 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,200 But that's also not like what the like. 464 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,800 OK, that's his take on the joke. But that's what I'm saying, that 465 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,960 it's part of his method. That's what he wanted. 466 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,760 But does everyone have to accept it? 467 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,160 That's like saying I'm Christian. 468 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,080 So now you have to. You have to listen to you 469 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,840 preach. No, you don't have to accept it. 470 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,800 You know, like I don't think sending that I mean. 471 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:04,920 I think it could make for a troubled set if you're not on 472 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,880 board. Yeah, well, I guess some people 473 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,880 on set are like, oh, well, he never broke character out of 474 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,960 this, but it was fun. It's like sure, like like Ron 475 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,520 Burgundy never broke character out of Anchorman, he said. 476 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,760 They said even after out off the camera he was acting like Ron 477 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,800 just because it made him made everyone feel like they were 478 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,880 still on set or something. But it helped him maybe. 479 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,640 Sure. So I'm assuming it works for 480 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,640 everything other than. That, I mean, that cuts, that's 481 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,320 a form of method acting or taking the role further than 482 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,560 what it needs to be. Yeah, so to say. 483 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,400 And then like, circling back to say he died because he took the 484 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,480 role of the Joker too seriously. I think he's bullshit. 485 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:51,240 I think what he did was when I heard he was cast as a Joker, 486 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,120 and I've told you this, we've had chats about this. 487 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,360 And when I heard he was cast, I was like, Oh my God, this is 488 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:57,040 going to flop. Like, there's no way he's a 489 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:02,120 Joker because the last Joker we had with recognition was Jack 490 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:05,560 Nicholson in the 90s, Yes, who did his own take on it. 491 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,640 And you felt that that was almost untouchable because they 492 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,960 didn't ever bring back the Joker as a villain. 493 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,920 Batman, Robin and Return. Yeah. 494 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,960 Like, yeah, I'm talking about live. 495 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,960 Mark Hamill was still voicing. And he was great. 496 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,560 Voicing the cartoons. He was great. 497 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,680 I'm not discounting voice actors at all. 498 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,320 He was a great joker. He is a great. 499 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,480 Joker. He's still a great Joker. 500 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,000 But what I'm saying, Nick Nicholson made it so iconic. 501 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,920 Yeah, but they didn't do it for like, Batman Returns. 502 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,280 They didn't do it for Batman Forever. 503 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,320 They brought in villains because he's got a massive rogues 504 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,360 gallery. You don't and. 505 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,640 The one before that was the one with Adam West. 506 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,520 Right. And he was pretty good Joker. 507 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,640 Say that one one Joker. It is kind of crazy to not bring 508 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,320 back that character because he's so synonymous with Batman. 509 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,800 I didn't mean to cut you off. No, no, no, you're fine. 510 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,840 Yeah, He's very synonymous. He's also like, I would say, 511 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,200 like the archetypal Ying and Yang to Batman Joker, Like 512 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,120 they're they're quintessential together, right. 513 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,480 But there's so many more stories you can tell. 514 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,320 So when you find out that Christopher Nolan is doing a 515 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,000 trilogy, you're like, oh, shit. But then he does Batman Begins, 516 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,920 you know, like, oh shit, this is a darker tale. 517 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,480 This is great. This wave of Tobey Maguire's 518 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,720 Spider Man being grounded and almost real. 519 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,840 You could see him in New York. And then you get Christopher 520 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,680 Nolan's Batman and you're like, oh, this guy could actually 521 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,200 exist because he doesn't have any superpowers. 522 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,600 He just got a shit load of money and he went to Tibet does not 523 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,280 get too racist. He went somewhere and he trained 524 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,720 the league of Shep. Like it's all very believable. 525 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,440 They wrote it, the shepherds, they wrote. 526 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,680 What do you? Say shepherds. 527 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,840 Shepherds with the Shepherds. Or monks. 528 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:37,680 Monks. Yeah. 529 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,000 Tibet, yeah. Then you hear that? 530 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,960 Heath Ledger, who? I think. 531 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:49,760 Knight's Tale, I think. 10 things. 532 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,880 Thank you. I think, you know, Oh my gosh, 533 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,760 like, how are they going to, how's that going to work, blah, 534 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,000 blah, blah. And then you get worried. 535 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,840 Then you start reading and then you build all these theories up. 536 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Then you see him and the first 6 minutes of that movie tells you 537 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,320 everything you need to know about Heath Ledger's Joker. 538 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,800 He blew me away. I had never seen him in anything 539 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,840 that like serious, I don't think. 540 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,440 I mean, other than like maybe broke dramas that. 541 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,240 He, Oh yeah, I had seen Brokeback, Brokeback, but he's 542 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,360 so different in that movie. Like he he couldn't be any more 543 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,320 different. No, the the drama he did with 544 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,120 Billy Bob Thornton, Halle Berry, oh, someone's going to Google 545 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:27,440 that and it's on the tip of my tongue. 546 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,760 But he was good in that, and that was a dramatic role. 547 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,640 When you saw the behind the scenes and you saw the trailer 548 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,880 and you saw you finally saw The Dark Knight, there was no 549 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,080 question in my mind that he was like the Joker, or maybe even 550 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,280 the best Joker. I think he was one of the best 551 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,560 best. Beth, he was definitely one of 552 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,480 the best. So just to like round it off, 553 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,240 just to say that the role killed him, I think is. 554 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,280 Yeah, I think to like to shrink. Thank you. 555 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,960 Oh, great job, baby. Sorry, I I try not to do that on 556 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,080 the podcast. Sorry, podcast. 557 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,680 I don't know if that's annoying if I. 558 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,840 Good job, sugar. Yeah, I'm like, oh, sweetie pie 559 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,000 butter. Good job, Golden Bulls. 560 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,680 Good job, big dog. No I hate when they shrink his 561 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,480 entire personality down to this role because he also taken on 562 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,880 other roles after the Joker like the Joker. 563 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,640 The Joker had wrapped and it was in post production. 564 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,920 It just came out after he died but he had already moved on. 565 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,320 Y'all that's how movies work. Take a long time to get married 566 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,040 made. Well, especially something like 567 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,000 The Dark Knight with so much like kind of special effects or 568 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,440 post production work. Just reshoot, you know, those 569 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,880 big movies, studio movies. They're like, they take time, 570 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,560 Yes. And so he was doing like Doctor 571 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,120 Parnassus and which he didn't end. 572 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,120 Up finishing, which is the shame, but. 573 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,040 I tried to watch that movie and that movie was definitely I was 574 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,320 not. Terry Gillum's A. 575 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,480 Great. I don't, I don't have the art 576 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,720 artist's eye to see what was going on there. 577 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,080 That was that was a confusing movie. 578 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,080 It was a strange movie. I should probably try it again 579 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,920 but I was like 19 and I was like I don't know. 580 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,280 I feel like I need mushrooms. There are also other reports 581 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,640 coming about, you know, method actors. 582 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,760 I'm going to use Daniel Day Lewis again, So in My Left Foot, 583 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,640 which he plays a paraplegic, there were reports. 584 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,560 One, they're not reports, but like there are stories coming 585 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,960 about that he stayed in character the whole time because 586 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,280 that's kind of like what he does. 587 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,080 And that's fair. That's how he works. 588 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,120 But he didn't get out of the chair, so he had to have people 589 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,160 push him around. And apparently, like, if you 590 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,560 look into that, people were like, oh, it's a bit kind of 591 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,400 like, bro, like you can walk. Like, yeah, like, hire someone. 592 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,040 I'm having to hire someone to do that. 593 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,520 Like the interns are not here to push you around. 594 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,240 Like, how far do you push the whole kind of like method thing? 595 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,800 Yeah. Do I have a problem with that? 596 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,880 No, not really, because, I mean, that's how he works. 597 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,360 Like, you know, I don't know. You have to get used to his 598 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,400 process and that's how he gets into character. 599 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,640 And I don't know, he's retired. Like he only comes out every 600 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,680 five years to a movie that he wants to do. 601 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,200 That's his. He's earned that because of the 602 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,800 movies that he's done and they kind of what he puts into his 603 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,800 craft, his tenure. By the way, he did Heath Ledger 604 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,920 did that. He is. 605 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,640 That movie is out, that last movie. 606 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,520 Which one? The imagination. 607 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,640 Yeah, but he didn't finish it. They had to get three other 608 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,000 actors to do it. They changed them. 609 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,240 Yeah, but he's in it. Yeah, but they. 610 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,000 Changed the. Whole movie it was maybe just he 611 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,120 changes like from like to Jude Law at one point. 612 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,040 And I think Franco might be in it too. 613 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,200 I don't remember, but there was a few. 614 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,800 Yeah. It was just confusing. 615 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,360 It was weird. It was a weird movie, I. 616 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,040 Didn't mean to say they didn't put it out, it's just that his 617 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,320 the whole movie had to be changed because he died. 618 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,120 They didn't finish it, got it. He died during the making of it. 619 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,240 And then they had to bring in these other actors, and it's a 620 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,440 bit hodgepodge, kind of. Oh well, he's not, he's in in 621 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,200 the cover like he's the main character. 622 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,160 That's part of why I watched it, because they they kind of got me 623 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,600 with that so. He's not in it more than one a 624 00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,960 minute. No, he's in it. 625 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,800 It's just, it's not. Sparse, yeah. 626 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,960 Yeah, he changes. It's like. 627 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,920 A It's really hard to explain that movie. 628 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,000 He changes into. Is that what it's supposed to 629 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,880 be? Before no, it was rewritten I 630 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,920 think, if I'm not wrong. I don't know what it was 631 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,840 supposed to be before, I just knew that I was getting confused 632 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,920 and part of it was the switching of I don't. 633 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,320 Remember if I finished it? I I just was like, I don't know 634 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:23,760 what's going. On. 635 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,840 I wonder what the whole script was about because I never even 636 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,520 heard of. It there are, if you want to do 637 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,000 a deep, you can do a deep dive on that. 638 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,640 One. Yeah, that one has a lot of lore 639 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,000 too. There's been things before the 640 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000 finished product of what it would have been. 641 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,240 All right, we're only at the tip of the iceberg, so let's keep 642 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,120 diving down. Diving. 643 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,080 Sliding down. I don't. 644 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,200 I don't know how to. How are you on an ice? 645 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,120 I don't. Just keep swimming. 646 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,840 Just keep floating. Just to kind of end this, the 647 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,640 also the comparison was just like the downside of 648 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,200 perfectionism, which I think these are all very on the 649 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,000 surface, like anyone could kind of have these takeaways. 650 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,160 Next we're going to get into some more interesting territory 651 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,400 because we're dealing with some of the hallucinations and. 652 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,440 She has them from the start. From the beginning. 653 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,080 So First off, let's start with Nina. 654 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,320 Never got the role at all and completely hallucinates the 655 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,000 entire role. And to add to add something on 656 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,320 to this theory, there's also a theory that this entire movie 657 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,120 takes place in Winona Ryder's character Beth's head. 658 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,360 Yeah, I've heard. That thoughts, I didn't really 659 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,000 have too many thoughts on these. I'm like, these are I don't I 660 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,720 don't like when people are like the IT all happened in a dream. 661 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,200 I'm like, that's not fun. Actually the only one I can 662 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,920 think of is like that, which is fun. 663 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,720 Fun is identity. Have you seen that? 664 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,560 Is that the one with? John Cusack and the serial 665 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,240 killer. No. 666 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,800 Oh, whoops. That's OK, you haven't given 667 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,280 anything away. I didn't even know the movie 668 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,400 existed so you should watch it. It's. 669 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,840 Good. It's it's got a twist that you, 670 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,640 you, you don't. There's another movie I can 671 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,600 think of. It has Elizabeth Barkley in it. 672 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,280 I can't remember the name of the movie. 673 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,960 It was like kind of a teenage thriller. 674 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,520 And it ends and it's all like in the girl's head. 675 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,400 And I'm like, that's. Some of those are bad. 676 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,200 Stuff. Yeah, like lost. 677 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,400 So no one's really into these. Lawyers Breaking Dawn How it's 678 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,000 all like the. The Oh yeah, the entire sequence 679 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600 where they fight, yeah is just in. 680 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,480 I like that though. I didn't, it didn't felt it was 681 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,840 it's like. In the theater, it gave me a 682 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,120 heart attack. I literally. 683 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,800 Was like this wasn't in the book. 684 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,560 Real, you read in the book, you would know that it was in her 685 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,600 head 'cause it she touched him and you know what her powers. 686 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,560 I know, but the fuck? If you go in not knowing, then 687 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,040 that sounds like a personal problem, you know what I'm 688 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,200 saying? Jerry's on a rampage tonight and 689 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,600 I'm. All and I never read the book, 690 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,520 someone just told me that. I read the book, they were 691 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,040 bullshit. I got them. 692 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,760 Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Bullshit. 693 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,120 What's that from? Where is that from? 694 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,440 That sounds familiar. I don't know. 695 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,760 Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. I don't know. 696 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,680 Let me think about it because it does sound familiar. 697 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,800 Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Yeah, it's. 698 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,880 Probably. I was going to say it's 699 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,400 probably. Something it was Kristen Bell. 700 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,120 So it doesn't sound like any of us really buy into the it's all 701 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,240 in her head theory. So we'll kind of move on from 702 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,400 there. People speculate that Beth is 703 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,240 only real at the cocktail party, and every other time we see her, 704 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,600 it's a hallucination in Nina's head, which I kind of buy. 705 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,760 I don't know if I buy that Nina visits her in the hospital. 706 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,000 I don't know if she cares. That I don't think so either. 707 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,560 Can we bring up the hospital part? 708 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:34,960 Yeah. Absolutely. 709 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,720 You know how like she's like, she ends up stabbing herself 710 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,240 with the with the off? The nail. 711 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,120 Like starts stabbing her face and then she gets home and you 712 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:48,960 see Nina locking the door with her with her jacket, not to get 713 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,200 not to get blood all over the door, but there's no blood on 714 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,920 her hands. There's no blood on her jacket 715 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,080 and she goes to wash her hands and there's no blood on her 716 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,560 hands. It it makes me think they. 717 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,040 Don't. They don't even show her hands. 718 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,640 They're hiding her hands behind the sink, but there's no blood 719 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,840 when she's walking over to the. No, there isn't. 720 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:11,000 I genuinely don't think that. Yeah, I don't think Beth exists 721 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,720 in those in those hospital scenes, and I don't. 722 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,800 I also don't know if Beth existed when she yells at her at 723 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,360 the thing. Maybe she yells at her at the 724 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,600 thing. I don't know. 725 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,320 I kept trying to look at mirrors because there are mirrors 726 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,800 everywhere. That's like the theme of the 727 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,200 movie is like her mirror, her dark side, whatever. 728 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,560 And so I kept looking and being like, who's not in the mirror? 729 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,240 And I couldn't figure it out. I think that's it's interesting 730 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,800 because they don't revisit it, do they? 731 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,960 After she's like they don't. Ever say like they stabbed? 732 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,320 Herself. No, that's what I'm saying. 733 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,680 They don't ever bring it up. They don't. 734 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,200 They would. Talk about it because they would 735 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,200 have said there. Was a young lady here dropping 736 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,040 stuff off before this happened? What happened? 737 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,520 They would have tried to. They would have looked at 738 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,440 security footage and then found out where she is, went to her 739 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,560 house and started questioning why she was at the hospital. 740 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,720 But that doesn't happen. But they do say this. 741 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,120 It does come up that she had an accident. 742 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840 Yeah, they do say she. Oh, they do say in. 743 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,680 Yeah, you're right. Other characters. 744 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,040 Bring it up. That has to be real. 745 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,800 Like she, it's. Got to be real, because she did 746 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,719 say that. OK, but then go deeper because 747 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,280 like did Nina push her in front of the car or did she have an 748 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,520 accident? Oh my God. 749 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,840 Or did she want to commit suicide which is why she jumped 750 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,280 in front of the car? I think she was trying to commit 751 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,880 suicide. I do too, personally, yeah. 752 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,280 Why did when Nina got in the elevator, she still had the 753 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,239 file? Yeah. 754 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,800 See. Did she stab Beth? 755 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,000 Yeah. That's the other thing. 756 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,679 Too in the face. Yeah, I'm like, does she 757 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,000 actually murder anyone in the movie? 758 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,280 'Cause she's, I mean, no. No, I don't know, 'cause she had 759 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,840 no blood on her hands, but in the elevator it smeared, smeared 760 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,960 on the elevator door and she had the thing in her hand after 761 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,400 Beth. They make. 762 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,440 A stabbing her stuff Beth was they make herself. 763 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,639 Yeah, they make a point of showing the nail file dropping. 764 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,239 Don't do stop doing that, Yeah. They they show, they show Beth 765 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,600 stabbing herself as she's walking, running out of the 766 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:57,080 room. Right. 767 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,800 Yeah, and they. Make a point of showing the nail 768 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,480 file. In her hand at the door. 769 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,880 So was it her stabbing Beth? And then they say she. 770 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,320 Just got it and she's just hallucinating it 'cause she's. 771 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,800 Well, Beth was injured so and there's no nail file there. 772 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,120 She just holes in her cheek and she was injured. 773 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,800 So I'm assuming that's the injury. 774 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,240 And then I think she maybe she did stab her. 775 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,640 It is fair to say that. Maybe Nina could be a a 776 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,000 murderer. Not murderer, but like. 777 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,800 Maybe black out? Well we do know that Nina 778 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,120 definitely self harms, like the scratching and stuff. 779 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,360 Is that what we're putting that down? 780 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160 To that's kind of what I was. The back shoulder thing is, 781 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,000 yeah, yeah, I thought it was a a tick. 782 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,000 It's a tick more than like my back's itchy. 783 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,000 Yeah, I wasn't getting that. That was creepy. 784 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,920 So moving on to the next one, everything happened. 785 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,960 Oh, I already talked about that one push. 786 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,200 Oh, Beth is pushed to suicide by Tomas, who was sexually 787 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,360 harassing her for years as a former role as the Primo 788 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,920 ballerina. I think we all bought buy into 789 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,840 that one, right? I buy in the fact that Tomas 790 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,160 essays a lot of the cadets coming through the Academy and 791 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,000 some play along with it. Some want it, and I don't mean 792 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,680 that in like. What did he call her? 793 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,880 His little Princess. Predatory vibes from the get go. 794 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,800 I love it. Sinker. 795 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,240 So I think he's great. Oh my God. 796 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,400 Greatest villain. Great villain. 797 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,120 Yeah, he's, he's definitely creepy. 798 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,000 Yeah. Speaking of greatest villains, 799 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,280 we got to give it up to rest in peace. 800 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,880 The guy from the mask, what's his name? 801 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,680 He passed away. He did. 802 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,200 I don't know his name, but he was Z in Pulp Fiction and he was 803 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,160 in the mosque. Yeah, so I just want to say he 804 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,040 was a great villain in a lot of movies. 805 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,040 He does. He he did he he did play a great 806 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,680 villain. Yeah. 807 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,200 Usual suspects. He's in that, too. 808 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,720 He's the one that flicks. That's on my list. 809 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,360 Yeah. What? 810 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:54,560 Oh, you've not seen that? No. 811 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,880 The usual suspects and the Italian Job. 812 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,680 That good job. Thank you. 813 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,440 That is a great one to delve into conspiracy wise because 814 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,240 there was so much in that. In The Italian Job, No, the 815 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,480 usual. In The Usual Suspects. 816 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,040 There's so much in I haven't seen it. 817 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,920 I want to see both of those. I was just thinking about them 818 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,200 just now. I don't know, it just popped 819 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,640 into my brain. The Italian Job and the Usual 820 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,000 Suspects. They're both good, the original 821 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,960 and the one with Mark Wahlberg. I echo what he just said is 822 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,080 exactly what I was going to say. They're both really good. 823 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,760 The original is amazing. Yeah, the remake is fun. 824 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,120 The remake is really fun. Seth Green is fucking hilarious. 825 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,280 I'll watch and my girls in it from. 826 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,280 Charlize Theron. Have you seen old dogs too yet? 827 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,160 Oh God. Old guards, I keep saying. 828 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,600 Old dogs. And that's the one with Seth 829 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,640 Green and Robin Williams. And like those old guys. 830 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,760 Like that? They're all old dogs. 831 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,320 Yeah. OK, so. 832 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,320 Wild hogs. Wild hogs, Yeah. 833 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,160 Fucking guy. I am watching the Old God too. 834 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,960 Yes I am not loving it so far. The first one was so good. 835 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,080 It was good, but this one does wrap it up nicely. 836 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:55,960 Does it really? Yeah. 837 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,440 OK, fine. I'll finish it. 838 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,440 Obviously, I'll finish it. I am watching it though. 839 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,080 Yeah. So just to sad just to finish 840 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,560 this time. I'm like this sucks. 841 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,760 Sorry, I really wasn't trying to interrupt. 842 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,480 No, no, no. No, like the whole talks 843 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,600 beginning of the movie I'm like this. 844 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,960 I feel bad for her. Charlize. 845 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,760 Not yet, no. Just because she's normal? 846 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,760 Yeah, like I want her to be, you know? 847 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,080 Come on, bar, there's no walk out Three though, is there? 848 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:23,840 Might be. OK, good. 849 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,120 I'll watch anything with Charlize Theron in it. 850 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,360 I'm going to watch Monster again. 851 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,760 I don't know. I don't know about that. 852 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,680 OK, anyway, let's get back on track. 853 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,800 So we all agree, Good one to pick, do we? 854 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,040 Do we all agree that we think Tomas was probably sexually 855 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,960 harassing Beth or it wasn't? Probably. 856 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,480 I think definitely. I think it's everyone who's 857 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,080 played the Swan. Oh, also to add on to that, I 858 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,640 did see a conspiracy theory that that thought that maybe Tomas 859 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,560 pushed her because she had dirt on him and she was gonna like, 860 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,840 expose him, expose him. And so she he pushed her into 861 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,160 traffic. But I was like, there's not. 862 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,280 The fact that. He's the only one. 863 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,600 That's kind of like the fact that he's the one that says 864 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,040 like, oh, Beth had an accident. True. 865 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,440 Like he is the one that announces it to everyone. 866 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,200 It rings like Oh my gosh, she slipped down the stairs but I 867 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,440 didn't push her. It rings Regina George big. 868 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,280 I didn't. I didn't sure. 869 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,680 Yeah, big time. I relisted to our Showgirls 870 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,800 episode, Shameless plug, which is why I made the connection 871 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,360 where I was like, Oh yeah, like Showgirls wish to like they had 872 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,120 the impact that this movie. The dancing was better show 873 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,200 girls. They thought they had something 874 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,480 there, but they were going after a lot of similar themes. 875 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,920 I will. Top You can't top the floppy. 876 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,520 Fish I will say some of the cinematography in Showgirls I 877 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,560 preferred the cinematography in here is is dark. 878 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,920 Well, well, OK, maybe not, maybe not just the cinematography, but 879 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,600 everything is so close. Yeah. 880 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,280 Oh yeah, that's true. It's always like in your face 881 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,960 and it's kind of like a bit jilted. 882 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,880 Side note. Which I think is obviously, I 883 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,120 mean, it's obviously the point, right? 884 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,800 I mean, it's a tense movie to watch. 885 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,120 It doesn't make you feel at ease. 886 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:01,800 I circus. I went back and forth with this 887 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,640 because sometimes I like the shots where we're walking with 888 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,600 Nina and it feels like we're genuinely like walking behind 889 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,040 her or walking with her. Like I feel like I'm part of the 890 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,200 shot and I kind of like that. And in the dancing sequence 891 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,360 specifically, I enjoyed that. Except for her hands. 892 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,760 You were complaining about that the whole time. 893 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,720 Yeah, I also, as a former dancer, I thought Nellie 894 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,600 Portman's hands needed work, but that's just my personal opinion. 895 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,520 She did train for a year. There was, but she just left the 896 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,280 training from her wrists. It just. 897 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,800 Means you like there wasn't enough flowing you're supposed 898 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,760 to have it the power go all the way through your fingertips and 899 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,520 I just missed that every once in a while. 900 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,120 Mila Kunis though fucking killed this role. 901 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,920 Sorry side. Natalie Portman was just walking 902 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,920 like into the Egyptian with her wrists. 903 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,640 Like, don't get me wrong, she wasn't, she wasn't bad, she 904 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,800 wasn't bad. I just had, you know, stylistic 905 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,280 opinions. Mannequin hands. 906 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,520 If you will mannequin. Hands. 907 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,520 That's what she had. So now we get deeper into the 908 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,480 iceberg. I think that's how that's how 909 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,120 we're supposed to. Deeper into the iceberg. 910 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,640 Yes, that's how we're doing it. So here's some Lily 911 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,120 conspiracies. Lily genuinely just wanted to be 912 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,240 friends. She's just out here looking for 913 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:20,120 a friend from San Francisco. I think you're right about that 914 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,960 one, I think. I think Nina's weirdness and 915 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,720 hallucinations and pressure Project Lily being the one 916 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:36,800 that's saboteur the competition, yeah, yeah, I agree with. 917 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,720 That well, I think that she's just a good dancer. 918 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,560 That's why she ends up being her her. 919 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,440 Backup. Alternate. 920 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,520 But OK, but. She is a good dancer. 921 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,840 I just don't think you're right. I think you're right. 922 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,080 She's not. I think she's projecting. 923 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:53,960 Yeah, like is Lily doing it all on purpose? 924 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,880 Like, to play devil's advocate, there's the other side of this 925 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,960 coin, which is that Lily manipulates Nina to get the role 926 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,160 out of competition and this is how she does it. 927 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,120 She ruins her audition on purpose by walking in in the 928 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,760 middle of her routine, wrote Whore in the bathroom, Allegedly 929 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,760 drugged her at the at the Cube gaslighted her about sleeping 930 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,440 together. So what do you think? 931 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,080 She gaslights her more than once, though. 932 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,680 She gaslights her when she's like here here when she's being 933 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,600 introduced as like the the Swan Queen. 934 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,320 Oh yeah. Lily's in the crowd and she's 935 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,480 obviously the loudest and kind of not paying attention. 936 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,200 Yeah, she's like talking and laughing. 937 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,080 And like flirting or whatever. Then she's doing it toward the 938 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,640 end with the with the male dancer, like she grabs his 939 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,520 crutch. And was that in her head? 940 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,880 Or is it all in her head and we're seeing what we want to see 941 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,680 because we're watching the movie through Nina? 942 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,800 There's also a scene later where after Nina gets off stage, Lily 943 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,560 comes. Oh, this is when Nina realizes 944 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,480 she didn't kill Lily because Lily stops by. 945 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,480 There's something I want to note about that. 946 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,440 If you go and look at that scene, Lily has face paint on 947 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,240 her like she was making out with someone in dark makeup. 948 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,560 So like some dude? Oh the the the. 949 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,760 The guy that Lily was making out with. 950 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,480 Mm hmm. That that was that was Lily, not 951 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,120 Nina doing it. Or is Nina doing it, not Lily so 952 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,080 her makeup's messed up she saw him making? 953 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,400 Out, yeah. Grabbing his crotch, it was 954 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,360 actually her doing it. Oh, you see, the other thing 955 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,680 about it is, which we also need to talk about is all the 956 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,720 hallucinations so that she sees herself. 957 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,640 Yeah. How she sees, like, her in the 958 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,240 crowd walking past her in the subway. 959 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,640 Yeah. Like, what is that? 960 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,240 Is that? I don't know what that 961 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,280 reoccurring thing means. Like when she's always seeing 962 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,240 her face in the crowd, like or her face on other people's 963 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,040 faces. I'm sorry is this not? 964 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,280 Has anyone had this nightmare? What? 965 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,800 Wait, what's happening? The hangnail. 966 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,000 Oh, yeah, no. When she oh, this is when Jerry. 967 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,880 This is when Jerry was like, Oh no, I don't like this one. 968 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:02,680 I don't. I don't. 969 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,560 Like. This scene purpose. 970 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,640 You know why, right? I don't like. 971 00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:06,160 It. Yeah. 972 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,840 Can't stand it. No, it hurts. 973 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,280 Yeah, 'cause it fucking hurts. Why is that? 974 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,520 Why is that a nightmare of everyone? 975 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,120 Oh, how is that like? How is? 976 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,240 Why? Someone learned that and they 977 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,960 used it for torture? Yeah. 978 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,560 Big time. Yeah, I also think it has 979 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,240 something to do with the fact that she she like scratches and 980 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,360 like picks. She's a picker, yeah. 981 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,880 So but that, yeah, that was definitely playing into that 982 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,720 thing. But it's like a thing she does 983 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,040 but like also. It's all of her weird, like 984 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,560 psychosis isn't. It, yeah. 985 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,800 But yeah, I don't know where I land on Lily. 986 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,360 There's I think there's a couple more. 987 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,960 Let's see, there's a theory that Lily never existed period. 988 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,520 I would like to point out yes, like she never existed 989 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,040 throughout the movie and Nina hallucinated their entire 990 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,960 relationship. There are some moments where 991 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,920 she's missing in reflections. She does randomly know where 992 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,040 Nina lives. Her mom doesn't acknowledge her 993 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,600 when they walk into the house. And also this was a big one for 994 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:12,800 for me because they're like the American Ballet Company. 995 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,760 You can have a big ass back tattoo like that and be A and be 996 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,680 a soloist. I. 997 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,120 Always wear I always. Maybe you're in the back but 998 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,280 like to be a soloist with that big ass tattoo. 999 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,840 You cover it up. Makeup I. 1000 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,680 Would they would. And I just, it's just not 1001 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,200 average. You don't see a whole lot of 1002 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,640 tattooed ballerinas in the American ballet company. 1003 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,320 You know it. Just doesn't fit what they're 1004 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,440 trying to do. Unless you're part of the Ruska 1005 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,560 Roma, John Wick, shut up. Sorry, but the ballerina, Yeah. 1006 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,080 But yeah, I don't know, I I'm kind of, I'm kind of part of 1007 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,440 Team Lily never existed at all, period. 1008 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,080 If. Lily never existed. 1009 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,440 Can you explain the Clerb scene to me? 1010 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,320 Well, there's also the fact that, like, Tomas announces her 1011 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,720 when they come in. What was your? 1012 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,760 What's your? Because I noticed that she's in 1013 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,520 not in some, not in the mirror in some scenes. 1014 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:15,080 The sleepover that Nina has, was she after the clerb she gets 1015 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,160 back. Is that OK? 1016 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,520 She walks in, you see Nina in the mirror talking to her mom. 1017 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,040 You see her from the front, and then you could see her holding 1018 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,440 the hand of Lily. But Lily's not in the mirror. 1019 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,720 And when the mirror, when they cross, you don't see. 1020 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,480 You don't see Lily in the mirror whatsoever across the mirror and 1021 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,960 went and you never see the mom look over to where Lily is 1022 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,200 screaming at her before she locks herself in the bedroom. 1023 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,960 You never see her mom look over. Yeah, her mom never acknowledges 1024 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,680 because when she comes to the door to apologize at the at the 1025 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,840 beginning of this scene, she also says nobody's at the door. 1026 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,000 Yeah. And like, yeah, maybe she was 1027 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,160 shooing someone off, but like, Nina was right there. 1028 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,680 Yeah, but you also hurt. But you hurt, it said. 1029 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:04,560 It said in the subtitles, Lily saying, hey, is Nina there? 1030 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,200 Nina, Nina's not home. And then shut the door. 1031 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,400 But I think that that's just what Nina was hearing in her 1032 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,280 head. There really wasn't anyone at 1033 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,880 the door. She went out there. 1034 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,880 No one was in the hallway. She was talking to no one. 1035 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,320 She put her jacket on and went out, got drunk by herself. 1036 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,360 OK. I don't think she was there 1037 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,640 because when she comes back home, she's not with her, she's 1038 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,720 not in the mirror. So it's confirmed that she's 1039 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,440 never there by her does. She take anyone home or is that 1040 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,640 all a fantasy? Scene all of. 1041 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,840 Fantasy. I think she's alone the entire 1042 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,600 time. I don't think Lily exists. 1043 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,960 Lily, I you don't. You don't think she exists? 1044 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,720 I don't know if Lily exists. She does. 1045 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,960 You think she exists, She's just not in that scene. 1046 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:51,240 Not in that whole entire dance scene, walking through the 1047 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,680 bedroom. Yeah, she's not not there at 1048 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,680 all. She is just another girl. 1049 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,680 On the list and. She's imagining herself. 1050 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,200 She's. Attached to her for some reason. 1051 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,120 Yeah, check this out. I think her name's Veronica. 1052 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,640 The one at the beginning, yeah. That we done the alternate. 1053 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,480 Yeah, the alternate. She will be before. 1054 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,120 Lily comes into the picture, so when they announce the cast 1055 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,000 list, Nina says to Veronica congratulations because that's 1056 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,520 who she thought Leroy picked. Yeah, before, because she just 1057 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,960 had that meeting and she thought it. 1058 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,400 Went bad and then Veronica says is that some idea of a cool 1059 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,920 fucking joke to you? You don't ever see Veronica 1060 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,560 again. So Veronica is Lily? 1061 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,400 Veronica is Lily. But Lily, but she, she basically 1062 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,280 like, let's say Nina has feelings for Veronica. 1063 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,840 She can't express that. So she expresses it through 1064 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,600 Lily. She expresses it through. 1065 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,000 Not really. By like projecting this. 1066 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,240 Bad ass. She has a tattoo basically 1067 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,560 symbolize of the. Tattoo. 1068 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,080 It's also she's darker. It's also everything that 1069 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,000 Natalie Portman wants to be. She wants to be free. 1070 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,560 Lily is free. She wants to be, like, sexy in a 1071 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:05,520 way that, like, Leroy is like asking you to do in a ballet, 1072 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,240 however you want to take that. Yeah. 1073 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,920 She doesn't have any, like, inhibitions. 1074 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,440 She's kind of like free, like Nina wants to be. 1075 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,240 It's almost like a Fight Club situation. 1076 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,520 That's what I mean. It's like a ballet Fight Club. 1077 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,160 Well, we know the scratches are real. 1078 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,520 Her mom acknowledges them, right? 1079 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,760 Right. But we're seeing it as a 1080 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:31,240 transformation into the Swan, Yes, but is it? 1081 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,800 Not at first, though. At first. 1082 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,000 We no, no, no. But are we seeing it as a like? 1083 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,640 Nina as it actually looks in real life. 1084 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,080 What if it looks different in real life and Nina's seeing it 1085 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,320 as almost? The mom is seeing it as a rash. 1086 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,240 I think she said something like, oh, what does it look straight? 1087 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,520 Up like scratches. That look right there. 1088 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,000 That looks like a scratch. Mark, yeah. 1089 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,920 Sure, she's picking and and her mom knows. 1090 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,280 Well, she says you've been scratching it. 1091 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,160 Yeah. That's why she wears those 1092 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,480 gloves. This was the scene that made me 1093 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,480 uncomfy. An adult being treated like a 1094 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,040 child? Yeah, because she has. 1095 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,760 How does? She be in this. 1096 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,440 That's the thing, Jerry and I were discussing this and I have 1097 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,960 come to the conclusion that she's of drinking age because 1098 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,400 she goes drinking. Yeah, but it's ambiguous, right? 1099 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,040 I really don't know. Yeah. 1100 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,560 Yeah, 2524, Well, she's at like 28 is topping out for like 1101 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,120 ballerina life. So my guess is like maybe she's 1102 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,800 closer to like 22 because. She's still at home. 23. 1103 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,040 Which is nothing wrong with being at home, but you have to 1104 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,600 imagine she's still at home. But her mom is way too over 1105 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,320 there the. Problem I see is, yeah, she 1106 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,400 might have like these issues, these mental issues, but I think 1107 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,240 it could have been brought on by her mother's pressure to be the 1108 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,640 best dancer from as a child up because her mom was a dancer. 1109 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,080 Yeah, she's keeping her in so. Exactly so. 1110 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,520 So it's not like it's her fault that she's scratching herself 1111 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,760 and has to wear mittens and be treated like like a child like a 1112 00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,120 child and sometimes probably in the scenarios like this, be be 1113 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,080 strapped during the night terrors. 1114 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,760 A. Child that is younger than 1115 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,240 Nina's. I think she's yes, I've 1116 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,640 definitely stunted I've. I've known people that have 1117 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,640 night had night terrors and they would ask me to politely leave 1118 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,800 before they when they fell asleep or whatever because they 1119 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,920 don't want to be me to be objected to. 1120 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,360 Or scared. Scared or try to help or do 1121 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,080 anything. So every time I hung out with 1122 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,240 that person, I would leave when they fell asleep and leave a 1123 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,080 note on the table, say. Goodbye watched you fall asleep 1124 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,400 late is. Fun, fun hanging out. 1125 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,040 Sorry, that was we got to this point and that was. 1126 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,920 That was a cool joke. Late is stay. 1127 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,040 Till you fell asleep. So glad we got to watch that 1128 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:47,400 together. Yeah, before we dive deeper into 1129 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:53,600 the before we dive deeper into the ice, I did want to. 1130 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,320 Like. I did want to ask, does it? 1131 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,920 I did want to ask, does anyone have favorite moments, favorite 1132 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,680 quotes, favorite scenes, anything, Anything that was your 1133 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,440 favorite that you were like, oh this was cool. 1134 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,600 I. Mean. 1135 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,360 I do actually quite like the end, the whole like when Nina, 1136 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,320 regardless of if it's in her head or not, the fact that she 1137 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,560 like embraces because we know that she's a good white swan. 1138 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,040 Yeah, we get that. She's very like rigid and. 1139 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,360 We're told that a lot. We're told that she's a very 1140 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,440 good white swan, right? Not very good, but when she 1141 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,280 becomes the Black Swan. I kind of like, I do like that 1142 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,960 kind of transformation of metamorphosis that she has, even 1143 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,200 if we're seeing it as like a hallucination and that she's 1144 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,680 going fucking nuts. I think it's a great scene. 1145 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,960 I think I. Agree, I think. 1146 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,360 The choreography of the dancers is great, whether it was 1147 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,600 superimposed onto a ballerina or whether it was Natalie Portman. 1148 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,880 There's also that I. Have thoughts and I have 1149 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,600 opinions but I think she trained. 1150 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,960 For a year, she must have been able to do some stuff. 1151 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,160 I think there is. I think there are scenes that 1152 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,720 you can probably tell were superimposed, but we're CGI 1153 00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:55,840 nowadays. And even then back then. 1154 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,760 Because if you think about it, when they're doing, when one of 1155 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:06,000 the scenes with Leroy and her, we walk past the Bank of mirrors 1156 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,760 and the cameras obviously not in it. 1157 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,920 Yeah, But we're seeing the reflection. 1158 00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:14,600 That's camera trickery. That's green screen. 1159 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,960 That's a special effect. So God knows if we couldn't see 1160 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,720 that then whether they were superimposing Natalie Portman's 1161 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,760 head already onto a ballerina at the point of doing the So the 1162 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,160 the very kind of like Pirouetti you more advanced ballet. 1163 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,640 I don't OK, I don't want to get on any kind of high horse like I 1164 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,200 know anything, but here's. My opinion from a national 1165 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,080 Extonza. And my opinion? 1166 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,320 Porsche's high horse corner. Oh. 1167 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,280 Fun. I like it. 1168 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,880 It was fun. Yes. 1169 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,920 Yeah, we do it, OK, we're. Gonna have to record you doing 1170 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,120 that so we're. Stable. 1171 00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:56,280 Yeah, so here's my thing, for years as a former figure skater, 1172 00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,960 there are many people who have seen mini an ice skating or the 1173 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,760 roller skating or any kind of skating movie, and they always 1174 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,040 want to come up to me and be like, did you know that Hayden 1175 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,480 Panettiere really learned how to skate for this movie? 1176 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,560 She can do a double X. No, she fucking can't. 1177 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,400 She learned how to stand on skates. 1178 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,560 She learned how to turn around. People thought she learned how 1179 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,000 to those things. Bad well when they cut away so 1180 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,040 obviously no it's not her. Spin around if they show you 1181 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,160 doing it. No good chance that she 1182 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,120 practiced. I'm so sorry. 1183 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,000 There's no disrespect to these actors, I get that they did 1184 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,160 train and learn how to do these random ass sports. 1185 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,040 I'm not negating that. However, when you are seeing 1186 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,440 crazy shit like in I Tonya when she doesn't show. 1187 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,440 Off a high horse. Like in I, Tonya. 1188 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,280 Like in I, Tonya, like my girl did not train and learn how to 1189 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,560 do a triple Axel. They had a figure skater come in 1190 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,000 and then they superimposed her face on her face. 1191 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,360 They've been doing this for years because Ice Princess, 1192 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,160 which is a Disney movie with Michelle Trachtenberg, has this 1193 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,920 happening. I'm I, I, this isn't like me 1194 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,040 just wanting to promote my YouTube channel, but I've 1195 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,880 literally cut it down and I slowed it down on YouTube. 1196 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,760 You can see the bad CGI. So they've been doing it since 1197 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,240 2002. We're definitely doing it in 1198 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:21,080 this. I would say with I Tonya, you 1199 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,960 can almost tell in that, especially like when they slowed 1200 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,600 the down the scenes and she's doing like the famous triple 1201 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,560 axle backflip kick flip thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can. 1202 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,040 I'm butchering the words. I know, I'm sorry. 1203 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,320 And I keep doing it while you're taking a drink. 1204 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,880 You can tell. But I think it's a Lotus. 1205 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,240 Blades of Glory, I think you can tell, but I also think sometimes 1206 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:48,240 it's meant to be known that like Margot Robbie, you know, it's 1207 00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:51,280 her face, different body. Like I, in a way, as the 1208 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,680 audience were watching it, thinking, well, close enough, 1209 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,640 close enough. I think with this one it's a 1210 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,600 little harder for me to tell. Whether it's hard to. 1211 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,320 Tell or not, But then I also remember reading about the fact 1212 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,080 that there was a ballerina on set because of some of the 1213 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,640 things. The whole. 1214 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,720 Documentary in a year like you know, they trained. 1215 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,920 No, I fucking. I took the video down, but I 1216 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,120 used to have a video on my YouTube channel because I deep 1217 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,560 dived into this like literally like 6 years ago. 1218 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,440 It was a it was a bad video so it's no longer existed, but I 1219 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,200 looked into it and yeah, that girl like they hired her on. 1220 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,800 They did not promise that she would get any kind of They hired 1221 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,440 A ballerina to play the. The double finale. 1222 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:36,000 The double her 00 yes and they did not promise her anything 1223 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,200 like she was promised no credits. 1224 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,160 She got paid for it and everything obviously and she 1225 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,880 said like people were nice to me. 1226 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,560 The cast was great. Natalie Portman was lovely, like 1227 00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,640 she said lovely things about the people she worked with, but she 1228 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:53,000 was kind of upset because they they really never really brought 1229 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,400 her up and they kept all the press was about how much Natalie 1230 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,360 did for this movie. How much work she did. 1231 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,480 How much work she did, she lost. She lost 20 lbs. 1232 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,400 She did this, that and the other end controversy. 1233 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,600 And she learned all these dances. 1234 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,520 And yeah, and she did it. She became a prima ballerina in 1235 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,880 a year and a half and that's just not possible. 1236 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,520 Yeah, I believe that she did what she could with the training 1237 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,800 that she was given. Right. 1238 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:24,240 But I also think toward the end, when she is like swanning, yeah, 1239 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,520 I think it's a double. Yeah, does. 1240 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,080 She think her face. She's not on point. 1241 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,560 It's not even safe to dance on point unless your ankles are 1242 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,120 strong enough. That's the other thing too. 1243 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,440 There's a there's a limit that you can do. 1244 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,160 As in the final dance. Yeah. 1245 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,760 Well, in general, but there's a limit that they will let you do 1246 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,080 for insurance purposes. Like Tom Cruise is an example of 1247 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,480 this that doesn't apply. Right. 1248 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,200 No, that guy straps himself through a goddamn jumbo jet. 1249 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,800 And yeah, with films himself flying in the air on the outside 1250 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,400 of it. And I love and I love him for 1251 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,840 the credit that he's bringing to the crowd. 1252 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,840 That is crazy. And I'll give him all the credit 1253 00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,080 in the world because I'm like, yeah, I know he's doing it 1254 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,960 because he talked about. Well, you know, he's doing it 1255 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,640 because you put so much time and effort into, like, making it 1256 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,600 seen on screen that it's actually him. 1257 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,200 Yeah. Regardless of the fact that 1258 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:15,120 there's a green screen behind him or they digitally alter the 1259 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,080 weather to make a storm appear, he's definitely doing the Halo 1260 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,880 jump. He's definitely jumping out of a 1261 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,960 plane. He's definitely hanging on to a 1262 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,320 plane. You can see that it's real. 1263 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,600 You know it's real. It's happening, yeah. 1264 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,080 So I don't know. I mean, I just remember reading 1265 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:41,680 that and being like, OK, so So what that she trained, that's 1266 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,760 the commitment, and she did what she could do safely and 1267 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,880 feasibly. I think they gave Natalie 1268 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,560 Portman more credit than they should have. 1269 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,000 I think that the other ballerina that never got any. 1270 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,920 Yeah, even in Natalie's, like she. 1271 00:58:58,960 --> 00:58:59,920 Did. I don't even think there's. 1272 00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:03,640 A no in the in the acceptance speech, Natalie Portman thanked 1273 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,360 like almost everyone but her, which is why she came out. 1274 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,440 And then she had like a 2020 like statement. 1275 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,760 It was a bit weird. It was like, why? 1276 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,640 So it's, I think it's a little weird, but I'm like, I'm not mad 1277 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:15,480 at anybody. Like I don't. 1278 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,800 Think it's that big of a deal? But. 1279 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,040 Shots you don't think are her? Close up shots are Natalie 1280 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,920 Portman the. Ones that are in the big dance. 1281 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,560 I think the wide shots. Are not, I think they are. 1282 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:31,160 I think there are certain scenes even within the wide where they 1283 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,400 superimposed Natalie onto her because either Natalie was 1284 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:43,440 trying to do it and couldn't do it or or she couldn't do it and 1285 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,840 the other ballerina was brought in. 1286 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,120 Like, I don't know if there's anything, and this is from 1287 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,640 someone that doesn't know anything about ballet. 1288 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,920 I don't know if there was anything too Uber complex about 1289 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,680 the movement she was doing because if you a lot of it is 1290 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,040 like from here up and she's doing a lot of this. 1291 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,000 Oh yeah, you know what? I mean like when they close. 1292 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,880 Up when you're seeing her close up, I do think like if you're 1293 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,120 seeing her from the waist up, yeah, it's not. 1294 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:07,560 It's probably her. Right. 1295 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,560 I think some of the foot. I just think that foot stuff and 1296 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,720 like the leg stuff, I'm sorry, I don't. 1297 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,520 I don't know that she's got that flexible in a year and a half. 1298 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,440 I'm just not buying it fully. But I don't know what her 1299 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,000 training regimen was. Maybe it was really intensive. 1300 01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,640 It just doesn't. You see what I mean about the 1301 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,240 camera and like where they position it? 1302 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,920 It's further away. Well, no, it's, it's, no, it's 1303 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,200 immediate. It's really zoomed in, Yeah. 1304 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,400 When it's really zoomed in, I'm like, yeah, that's. 1305 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,800 Her. Obviously, but when you zoom out 1306 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,800 and he's holding her up, that could be a double. 1307 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:40,840 There's no need for Natalie Portman. 1308 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,280 I do know in this scene just specifically. 1309 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,680 What's a wide chart? It's probably done with like the 1310 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,240 AD in the second, like the like department, like. 1311 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,520 Do you need Vincent Cassell's there? 1312 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:52,240 But like, do you need Natalie Portman? 1313 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,520 Just in the just in the scene, I do know that this actually is 1314 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,400 Natalie Portman and Vincent Cassell because Vincent Cassell 1315 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,560 kept picking her up wrong. And that's why we have that 1316 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,840 scene of her getting her rib like fixed because he moved her 1317 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,520 rib out of place from picking her up because he's he's not a 1318 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,520 dancer. He's just a guy. 1319 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,960 He's a villain. He's a. 1320 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,080 Villain say yes. Say. 1321 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,400 I really wish he had a twisty handlebar. 1322 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,080 Yeah. Twirly mustache. 1323 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,400 Oh, my God. All right, let's dive deeper. 1324 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:30,120 So Nina did not die and or she was reborn to some degree at the 1325 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,800 end of the movie. So this is a lot of people who 1326 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,520 think that like the stabbing was talking about regenerating 1327 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,760 herself, becoming a woman. I don't know, dude, because when 1328 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,080 you see the reaction, when you see the reaction of the ballot, 1329 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,920 the other ballerinas, it's like she did actually stab herself. 1330 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,600 But Lily's the one who says that she's bleeding, and I don't know 1331 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,480 if Lily is real. Exactly, but even but then 1332 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,080 Vincent Cassell. But then Vincent Cassell also 1333 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,280 reacts and I'm like, I don't know what's happening. 1334 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:02,800 She definitely did stab herself. You think she died? 1335 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:03,760 I. Don't know you said that. 1336 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,120 You didn't say that with conviction. 1337 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,880 Yeah, but I don't think, I don't think she died. 1338 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:12,160 She also changes clothes, so she stabs herself when she's in the 1339 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,760 the black costume, but then changes into the white without 1340 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,800 noticing or moving the glass. Yeah, like she didn't feel it at 1341 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,960 all that whole time. How do you change out to out of 1342 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,920 a costume that restrictive? I'm looking up like this isn't 1343 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,280 just like a sweatshirt. No, I don't have an answer for 1344 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:29,680 that. That doesn't make sense. 1345 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,760 So I don't know if she, I don't know if she's dead. 1346 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,800 I honestly I like, I don't know if Lily exists. 1347 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,720 So I don't know if Nina died. I don't think she died, I just 1348 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:44,000 think that she's happy with her performance at the end and she 1349 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:48,920 was still in that psychotic psychosis state, so. 1350 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,560 She could have jumped the way she landed on the patch. 1351 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,520 She could have hit something, which is why they're like get 1352 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,600 help. Oh yeah, maybe there was 1353 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,120 something underneath the pad and that's actually why she died. 1354 01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,000 It had nothing to do with her. Well, not that she died, but the 1355 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,600 why she injured herself because she lands and then like you kind 1356 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,720 of like start to see the blood. Yeah. 1357 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,240 And yeah, how come no one could see the blood while she was 1358 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,720 dancing? The blood didn't move while she 1359 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,520 was dancing you. Can see it when she's dancing, 1360 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:12,880 Can you? But is it? 1361 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,960 Spreading. It's not spreading in the same. 1362 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,080 Way. But once she hits, it's like 1363 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:18,400 goes. Everywhere. 1364 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know that one's. 1365 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,240 That one's tough. That one's because. 1366 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,600 The end, the way it ends. It's ambiguous. 1367 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,120 Very. I don't think she died. 1368 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,480 Because she sees a white light, so I mean the. 1369 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,040 Way it the way it fades. To white. 1370 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,840 But afterwards you still hear the audience clapping and all 1371 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:35,680 that. Yeah. 1372 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,880 Yeah, but but the audience have no idea that she's off the stage 1373 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,680 bleeding. They're clapping because the 1374 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,440 performance is over. And she she's only paying 1375 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:45,920 attention to that, I don't think. 1376 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,400 That if she died, would we get a card cut in the middle of the 1377 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,080 credits where it was like, Oh my God, what's happened? 1378 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:56,480 Because no one's bowing or anything probably. 1379 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,640 Or is that too far fetched? They're not going to do that. 1380 01:03:58,640 --> 01:03:59,720 Though, Well, we don't know, do we? 1381 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:00,360 Yeah. Doesn't. 1382 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,280 Well, they don't do that on purpose. 1383 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,720 Yeah, for you to have that conclusion. 1384 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,280 He doesn't want you to. He wants you to think. 1385 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,440 I normally really hate ambiguous movies like this, but this one I 1386 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,800 really like diving into. It's really interesting just to 1387 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,320 think about it because you can walk away having a completely 1388 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,800 different idea than somebody else. 1389 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,520 But how did she even stab herself? 1390 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,720 Because when she quote stabbed. Oh yeah, when she's like doing 1391 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,720 the. How did How did she stabbed? 1392 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,360 Did she throw herself into the mirror? 1393 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,880 Yeah, that's that was my team. In the scene, she stabbed Nina, 1394 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:32,520 right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1395 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,280 Well, she's stabbing herself because she's hallucinating this 1396 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,040 herself. Yes, in the mirror. 1397 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,080 It's not even Nina. It's not even Lily and Nina. 1398 01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,800 It's, it's Nina. Nina. 1399 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,800 Also when the blood is pouring out of the bathroom and she just 1400 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,560 puts like a pink blanket on it, I was like good job girl, 1401 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,600 excellent work. No, you're right, she does 1402 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,000 acknowledge her. You guys are wrong, she does 1403 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,560 acknowledge her. Cut between the act when she 1404 01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,040 gets stabbed, goes and performs, comes back. 1405 01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,920 Yeah, and. Then changes wipe off she. 1406 01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,200 Takes the piece of glass out which is going to slowly make it 1407 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,120 open back up cuz keep in mind she's been dancing. 1408 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,160 With a piece of. Glass with a piece of glass in 1409 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,640 so it's clogged and then when you pull it out. 1410 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,320 OK, so she got changed. Pulled it out. 1411 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,920 Pulled it out and then went. Back on that started perfusue 1412 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,560 bleeding. During, I don't know, the blood 1413 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:22,920 would have been like gushing out man. 1414 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,160 Like they always tell you don't pull out if you get stabbed like 1415 01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,600 that. Like it would have been coming. 1416 01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:27,960 Out. That definitely looks like she 1417 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:33,760 threw herself into the mirror mirror to get that, but in the 1418 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,720 scene she actually goes down and stabs. 1419 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,960 Yeah, So did she just like, bring it to herself? 1420 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,040 She. Could have stand to herself, but 1421 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,480 I mean, that's the whole point we don't see. 1422 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,880 Isn't a little isn't a little weird that the one mirror in 1423 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,320 there, besides her makeup mirror, the long one is the one 1424 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,520 that's broken and the movie's kind of about mirror. 1425 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,280 Yeah. Like why the mirror broke at the 1426 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,560 last scene, the last, the third act. 1427 01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,720 Yeah, the third act. Breaks in the third act 1428 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,680 basically, and then that's where she breaks. 1429 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,440 Yeah, well, that's when she morphs into into her dark self. 1430 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,880 Her dark self and her light self merge, right? 1431 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,720 I don't know. That's kind of what I was like 1432 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,800 trying to get out of a. Sunny in Philadelphia. 1433 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:20,440 Day man. Night man, Day man. 1434 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,360 And then again, to play devil's advocate, there's the theory 1435 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,880 that is the opposite, which is that the movie is the original 1436 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,120 ballet. And basically what happens at 1437 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,560 the original end of the ballet is like, I think the white swan 1438 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,800 has to sacrifice herself to kill her, herself and the Black Swan. 1439 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,960 And so that's when Nina does. I've never seen Swan Lake and I 1440 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,080 didn't know was this heavy to be honest. 1441 01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,160 Swan Lake. The roles are reversed though, 1442 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,760 like dance wise. So you know how like stiff? 1443 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,720 The White Swan is, yeah. It's Jinx and the opposite of 1444 01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,280 Swan, like the the the ballet. Oh, like the white swan is, the 1445 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,880 white swan is more. Flowy and then the the the Hard 1446 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,960 Jolte Black, the Black Swan. Edgy, that's why that makes 1447 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,360 sense and it in an. Actual ballet this is different. 1448 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,480 This is his take on it too. That's that's why he does. 1449 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,320 Gotta be different. And it's also one person doing 1450 01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,680 both roles, which I did look up and verify like it is 1451 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,120 traditional that there's one ballerina that is the White Swan 1452 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,480 and one ballerina that is the Black Swan. 1453 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:30,360 So to to have her on stage for that long, dancing that long in 1454 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,360 intervals is kind of torturous on its own. 1455 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:34,560 Also sounds. Like it? 1456 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,800 Yeah. So that's a lot of work for one 1457 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,760 person. It's kind of like Lindsay doing 1458 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,960 the Parent Trap, right? Like she is doing 2 kid roles. 1459 01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,000 She is. Did she get paid enough for two 1460 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,120 kids? I hope so, I'm sure she made a 1461 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,440 good bundle. I bet you not. 1462 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:49,640 I bet you she. Didn't you? 1463 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,400 Don't think so because it was early in her career. 1464 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,800 Yeah. How much, Bernice? 1465 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:53,560 Oh, no. Who's here? 1466 01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,240 No one, Jerry. Yeah, Jerry, what did Lindsay 1467 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:57,440 get paid for? Parent Trap paid. 1468 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,560 For the parent trap. Two roles, 61 girl. 5 million No 1469 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,800 1,000,000. Yeah, I'm like, she's so young 1470 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,560 and she was a nobody at the time. 1471 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,760 So I bet you it was probably half a million. 1472 01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:15,200 But is anyone on the path of Nina sacrifices herself to saved 1473 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:16,240 I? Don't know anymore. 1474 01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,000 I think she had AI think the mirror broke metaphor for 1475 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:25,040 breaking her mental psychosis and that's was her her end. 1476 01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,160 So no stabbing. Do you think she died or do you 1477 01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,080 think she had a rebirth? I think she had a rebirth. 1478 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,319 I. Think it was like Fight Club 1479 01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,920 where she killed. Off, she realizes. 1480 01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,640 Yeah, she killed off Tyler. Well, she. 1481 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,800 Finished Tyler. The stress induced thing she was 1482 01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:45,640 here to do was perform as the Swan and Black Swan and now that 1483 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,600 that's over she felt a little bit of relief which is what the 1484 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,760 pass out was mixed with losing all that blood. 1485 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:55,960 I can get behind that. OK. 1486 01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,479 Yeah. All right. 1487 01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,160 Now we're getting into our third level. 1488 01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,880 This is our final level. Those are the most gross ones. 1489 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,960 So we're just, yeah, we're going to wrap up here because it felt 1490 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:10,160 like the bottom. So the first one is Erica is a 1491 01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,279 totally normal mom and it's all in Nina's head. 1492 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,640 Anyone don't buy? It no. 1493 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,680 That one's normal mom. No far fetched. 1494 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,560 No, OK. I. 1495 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,279 Think I did see that going around online quite a bit and I 1496 01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:26,040 was like I. OK, so there is no. 1497 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,640 Taking in this. There is no like how much she 1498 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,600 got paid. Lindsay Lohan Yeah, on Parent 1499 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,920 Trap. But apparently she said she did 1500 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,359 bring up a discrepancy about what happened that she and she 1501 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,800 during the filming and demanded that she paid double for playing 1502 01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,640 two people. And she paid. 1503 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,439 She said. Yeah, but she wouldn't have done 1504 01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:48,479 that The. Parents would have done that, 1505 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,279 she said. She wouldn't have. 1506 01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:54,840 She said she said it playfully, but the CEO at the premiere 1507 01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,280 asked where her twin sister was, which was which was replied by 1508 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:01,760 her. Well, you should have just paid 1509 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,840 me double because I don't have one. 1510 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,920 Like that was like the joke, but afterwards she was like. 1511 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,040 Ohh damn so she so she didn't get paid a lot. 1512 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,400 I think that's what we can take from that. 1513 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,120 Allegedly she. Didn't get paid a lot, she 1514 01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:15,640 didn't say. Says Lindsay Lohan was 1515 01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:16,520 reportedly. And she did. 1516 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,000 Twice a slide with her pay for her role parents. 1517 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,480 The parents weren't satisfied because they think they knew how 1518 01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:23,240 much. Was well, yeah, she she wouldn't 1519 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,160 have been aware. She's fucking. 1520 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,080 She's the bike and the Playhouse. 1521 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,440 She wanted, yeah, but she's. A child, yeah. 1522 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:30,600 And. She she was like, I got a 1523 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,680 treehouse out of this. That's all I care about. 1524 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:33,960 Like she didn't care at the time. 1525 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,320 That's why you got to have a kids fund. 1526 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,440 Back to the Black Swan, Erica being a normal one. 1527 01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:41,760 No, I don't normal. I don't believe it because I 1528 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,920 think the whole point about Erica is that she had her time. 1529 01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:48,680 Anyway, back to the Black Swan. She had her time, but she didn't 1530 01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,040 reach the standard that she's pushing Nina too. 1531 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:57,600 Which I would, I would like to argue, OK, I want to get further 1532 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,800 into this, but quickly. I would like to argue that 1533 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,080 Nina's mom doesn't like, I'm not on board with her being a normal 1534 01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:06,240 mom. I think she's definitely an 1535 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,000 overbearing, like something's going on there. 1536 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,760 But I also want to say she's not really pushing her to do ballet. 1537 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,200 She's not telling her you need to like practice now or you need 1538 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,600 to cut back on whatever 'cause you look fat like she's not 1539 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,240 doing anything. You. 1540 01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:22,520 Watch. Chill out. 1541 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,280 Yeah, like, why don't you relax tonight? 1542 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,240 So I'm like, I'm not, Are you sure if she's pushing her for 1543 01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,560 perfection or if that's more Nina? 1544 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,800 Yeah. It's Nina's projection of what 1545 01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,840 we're seeing. That's why I keep like, going 1546 01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,000 back to you. Erica could be fairly normal. 1547 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,280 Could be she could be a retired ballet dancer. 1548 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,120 Yeah, I think that was that is. The retired ballet dancer that 1549 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,680 failed and didn't make it to Swan Lake and and and. 1550 01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,240 And she's jealous I could get behind all of that stuff. 1551 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,840 But but Nina is projecting that her mom is jealous. 1552 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,360 So let's dive a little bit deeper. 1553 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,000 What if her mom is? But she's also in the end, she's 1554 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,160 also in the scene. She's also watching her at the. 1555 01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:00,280 End. She's watching her at the end, 1556 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,360 and people say that also, by the way, that she's clapping in the 1557 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,320 final scene. And remember how Nina slammed 1558 01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,440 her hand in the door five times? Yeah, that never happened 1559 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,200 because she's clapped. That's what people say online, 1560 01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:14,880 like she's clapping. She seems fine. 1561 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,680 There's a lot projected bandage. There's a lot projected by Nina 1562 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,400 that I think. And her mom's there, Yeah. 1563 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:24,000 Is the main thing they focus that her mom is there in that 1564 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,960 scene which means why? Exactly. 1565 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:34,200 Diving a little bit deeper, Erica abused and or molested 1566 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:39,560 Nina and has some some how to some sort of like Munchausen by 1567 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:45,240 proxy with her daughter where she like puts things on her like 1568 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,000 you're sick, you're this, you're that you're not working. 1569 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,840 And maybe that's just to keep her around, keep her needy. 1570 01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:53,480 Vicariously through her daughter. 1571 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,680 Thank. Well, no, having just said what 1572 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,400 I said, I think Erica might appear a lot more normal than 1573 01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:06,960 what we're seeing because again, we're watching it through Nina. 1574 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,360 Yeah, true. So I don't think Erica's. 1575 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,360 There's a lot of stuff about Erica being a predator online 1576 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,760 that that's heavy out there and the conspiracies. 1577 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:22,120 People really believe that Erica is a predator and she was doing 1578 01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,520 something to Nina. That's why she would be like 1579 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,320 take off your clothes or. It's why she's it's why she's 1580 01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,400 trimming her nails. It's why she like strips her 1581 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,120 like a child. It's why she. 1582 01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,600 I'll get in the bed with you. I'll be there in 5 minutes. 1583 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:36,960 Doesn't. Have a lock on her door. 1584 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,760 It's why she sleeps in the room and like it's it's all of it 1585 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,000 like that is. Like and she draws pictures of 1586 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:42,960 Nina. Yeah. 1587 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:44,760 She paints. I don't know she. 1588 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,120 Paints Nina. There's something weird about 1589 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,480 her, the way Erica behaves with Nina, for sure. 1590 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,720 I just don't know how much of it's real and. 1591 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:58,640 I don't think it's sexual, I think it's. 1592 01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:05,200 I think it's overbearing mom's. Overbearing, keeping her in a 1593 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,680 kid child state so she doesn't leave the house and she can live 1594 01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,040 vicariously through her daughter dancing and that pressures 1595 01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,640 finally got to her in her 20s. Yeah. 1596 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:20,080 That's what I think. This is a movie about her mental 1597 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:21,560 breakdown because of. What? 1598 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,280 It's a movie about somewhere. It's a movie about one's mental 1599 01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:25,960 break. Yeah. 1600 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,200 Well, specifically hers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1601 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,280 But yes, I agree with that very much so. 1602 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,120 And it's just kind of stages throughout the movie, just like 1603 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,000 the the three acts and the you see three different stages of 1604 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,200 her breakdown. You don't see very many. 1605 01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,040 Like is she really at at the Clerb? 1606 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,400 Yes, she is. Yeah, but who she? 1607 01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,720 Also, we went back to a clerb guys we. 1608 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,160 Did. So do you guys think that she's 1609 01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,400 they're actually in the Clerb? I believe Nina is, but I don't 1610 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,480 know. I don't know. 1611 01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,360 I don't know if Lily's there. What if it's Veronica? 1612 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,720 But when we see her. But maybe we wouldn't. 1613 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,400 I don't know. And who's Tom and Jerry? 1614 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,640 I don't believe Tom and Jerry. I was like, that was the thing 1615 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,440 where I was like Tom and Jerry, Tom and Jerry. 1616 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,560 You met a Tom and Jerry in real life. 1617 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,520 Then she also goes to the bathroom, like when she's taking 1618 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,760 the drink and rolling, she's blacked out and she's making out 1619 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,160 with that random dude. Yes, because they took ecstasy 1620 01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,120 together. Here's the thing, I know that 1621 01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,600 they are at the bar together. The one thing that I don't know 1622 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,640 when when she doesn't meet with her anymore, like when she when 1623 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,720 it when it's not real anymore. Because until she gets home, 1624 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:35,760 when she gets home, it's she's not there. 1625 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,280 But when did she really not become there? 1626 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,920 Because she's there up until this point where Nina goes and 1627 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,880 get or Lily goes and gets drinks. 1628 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,560 You could see both of them in the mirror, which means they're 1629 01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,800 both there. People also say that you know 1630 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:57,400 how Nina exits the Clerb before Nina or before Lily, and then 1631 01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,280 Lily comes and finds her? People say that like she found 1632 01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,760 her too quickly. That's the part where Lily no 1633 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,360 longer exists. It's got it, that moment right 1634 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:06,400 when they're exiting. Yeah. 1635 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,400 Because it is weird. Like you would have to have been 1636 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,360 like right behind her. Yeah, and she was way inside, I 1637 01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:16,440 think, at the point, all the dancing, all that stuff is real. 1638 01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,000 I think you're right because when you get into the cab, all 1639 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,440 of that. I don't think the cab stuff 1640 01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:24,680 exists. Oh yeah? 1641 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,120 Weren't you saying that you think she's touching herself in 1642 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,760 the cab also during the scene? You have to really slow it down. 1643 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:33,480 I did. I'm gonna send you guys and 1644 01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:35,960 we'll link it. We'll link it in the description 1645 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,080 of this. But there is a YouTube that 1646 01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,320 slowed this part down. The dawn sequence. 1647 01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:41,520 Yeah. So. 1648 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,760 Oh, did you see it? Oh, Nina in the back. 1649 01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,680 Yeah, you can see Nina as the Black Swan in the background. 1650 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,280 Everyone in the background is Nina, I believe. 1651 01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,840 If you really slow it down, it's like all Nina, but there is. 1652 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:59,240 I just saw her pop up in that corner, but it's really hard. 1653 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,920 You have to slow it down. It's really interesting though. 1654 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,160 I'll make sure that we link it. Kind of like making me believe 1655 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,280 that it's just Nina projecting and then she blacks out and then 1656 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:10,360 what? Like right after. 1657 01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,200 This oh, see, See you see those eyes? 1658 01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,560 See. Oh, it's so weird and creepy. 1659 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:15,280 Wait. Go back. 1660 01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,000 I am. I'm trying to pause it. 1661 01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,760 I'm. Just it's it's hard because it's 1662 01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,360 Hulu I. Mean. 1663 01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:25,240 Hulu, we do. Well, you can see slow down 1664 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,920 versions of this scene. Yeah. 1665 01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:30,080 OK, I I will definitely do a deep dive on that because. 1666 01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,200 I knew there was I. Knew there was more bird. 1667 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:33,720 Is. Right there I knew there was 1668 01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,960 more to it than sure. Of the actual swan. 1669 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,240 I knew there was more to the scene and because they they. 1670 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,400 Linked on it. So much and they the way it's 1671 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:42,560 shot. It's too much. 1672 01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:46,680 Actually, yeah, it's important. So like it's it's worth slowing 1673 01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,000 down. Find a video. 1674 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,480 It definitely exists. We'll we'll link any that we can 1675 01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:53,680 find in our description. All right, So there's only two 1676 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,320 more layers. We'll get through them 1677 01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,720 relatively quickly. I think there is a theory online 1678 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:05,280 because Nina's age is kind of ambiguous and because it's New 1679 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,640 York City, I mean, like, let's be real, like kids get fake IDs. 1680 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:13,320 So people suggest that Nina is actually a teenager and that's 1681 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,480 the reason for her real immaturity, her mother's 1682 01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:21,080 overbearing behavior and why Tomas is like pushing her past a 1683 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,640 limit. People also speculate that to go 1684 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,520 along with this, she's homeschooled and her whole life 1685 01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,960 is dedicated to ballet to like really feed into this narrative. 1686 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:30,360 It's. A lot. 1687 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,560 But yeah, sure, it's a theory, but. 1688 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,840 It's I was home schooled and my whole life, almost my whole life 1689 01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,240 was about figure skating. So I could kind of understand 1690 01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,920 that there are some people that do that even if they don't 1691 01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,160 become like Olympians or anything like that. 1692 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,600 So the it's a possibility, but it doesn't sound like anyone's 1693 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:53,360 on, on this conspiracy theory. No, no takers. 1694 01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:55,760 I think it's a lot. Too much. 1695 01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,680 I think it's too much, I think. I think once you start kind of 1696 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,680 theorizing. You're like making stuff up just 1697 01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,760 for it to be darker. Yeah, in a way. 1698 01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,400 I mean at that point just write a fanfic. 1699 01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,040 Yeah, make your own version. Yeah. 1700 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,760 And here is the final theory. There are tons more. 1701 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:19,240 Let me just say we will link the source, but I got all of this 1702 01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:25,760 overview from tvtropes.org. They just gave me like a nice 1703 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,480 overview of all of the conspiracy theories online, but 1704 01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:30,360 there are tons more of you're interested. 1705 01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:32,880 So it's definitely worth a deep dive. 1706 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,960 But the last one we will be covering is that people think 1707 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:41,120 Erica, her Nina's mother is dead and does not exist in the entire 1708 01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:45,440 what to go along with the Lily theory that she actually just 1709 01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:47,920 lives alone. Oh my gosh. 1710 01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,520 Thoughts. It's an interesting one. 1711 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:52,880 Why does she have all the pictures? 1712 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,360 I actually thought this was this one was kind of like 1713 01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,880 interesting. I cannot prove it but I also 1714 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,560 unlike she doesn't interact with anyone except for Susie in the 1715 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:08,040 office which also Lily is the only other person that talks to 1716 01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,600 Susie in the office. Oh, it's a good series. 1717 01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,080 So I am not sure if the mom or Lily exists. 1718 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,720 She's that great. She doesn't exist. 1719 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,960 The mom might not now. People think that the mom died 1720 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:19,840 or if. Lily exists. 1721 01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:21,760 But we do because. No, we don't know. 1722 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,520 No, but Lily could be people's. Lily could be Veronica. 1723 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,080 Lily is a is a. Projection of Veronica is a. 1724 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,760 Projection of Nina Lily is a. Projection is Veronica. 1725 01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,360 Lily is a projection of Nina. Yeah, well, he's Lily. 1726 01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:35,920 That's accurate. Could be. 1727 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,160 Lily could be anyone but Nina's seeing Lily. 1728 01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,520 Lily is projecting a Tyler Durden situation. 1729 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,760 I guess when you go back and watch Fight Club, there's scenes 1730 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,840 in it with Edwin Norton and Brad Pitt and you're like, who was 1731 01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,400 the cashier talking to if they're both there, even though 1732 01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,240 they're not both there because Edward Norton. 1733 01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,080 So is she actually just talking to Edward Norton? 1734 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,760 Well, yeah, right. Well, is she? 1735 01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,240 Yeah. I got to go back back and watch 1736 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,080 Fight Club again. Well, then they just shot in 1737 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,280 like that to try to trick you and then just said, well, oh, 1738 01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,760 here's the ending, they just left it. 1739 01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,960 It's bad. Well, no, no, no. 1740 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,600 There's got to be a reason for I'm just, I'm, I'm playing like 1741 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,720 an advocate. I'm I'm giving you a scenario. 1742 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,520 Let's not give too many spoilers for Fight Club, just in case. 1743 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,000 90. One is watching they. 1744 01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:25,560 Came out 1990. I don't care. 1745 01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,400 Tyler Darden is not real. What? 1746 01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:29,680 What? Have you not seen it? 1747 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:31,560 No, it's my favorite movie. I. 1748 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,320 Know it's your favorite? But I feel like it's not fair to 1749 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,760 ruin Fight Club for someone who's just a big Black Swan fan. 1750 01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,840 Yeah, but we're gonna put spoiler, spoiler warning on this 1751 01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,040 one like we always do. And if you haven't seen, it came 1752 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,400 out in 19 fucking 99. That's true. 1753 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:46,640 That's true. You're gonna tell me? 1754 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,200 You're gonna tell me you haven't seen the Matrix? 1755 01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,680 Go on, Jerry, what do you think about the Eric, Erica doesn't 1756 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,040 exist theory? I mean it. 1757 01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,520 I don't know about that one. I don't know. 1758 01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,720 I mean, I guess it could be in all those drawings in the 1759 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,400 bedroom or just Nina going when she was going, you know? 1760 01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,440 It's Nina's drawings drawings. And she just draws in there 1761 01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:08,400 during that time. Nina is Erica. 1762 01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,680 Draws her own face because of all the mirrors that are a God 1763 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,520 damn house. All the mirrors in her life are 1764 01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,080 reflecting. That's too much. 1765 01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:18,280 No my. Own reflection show. 1766 01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:19,240 Wow. What? 1767 01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,520 Oh, oh, oh, oh, I like that. That was. 1768 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,120 Beautiful serenade me. Disney, right? 1769 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,280 I I kind of I can get on board with Erica being dead and not 1770 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,080 existing if Lily also doesn't exist. 1771 01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,360 If those two don't exist at all. I don't think the mom that. 1772 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,520 Actually makes a lot of sense. Because the mom is in the 1773 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,640 mirror. Yeah, but that doesn't mean 1774 01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:41,720 anything. She. 1775 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,000 Is in the mirror a? Lot mirror a lot. 1776 01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,680 OK, so. Lily's not always in the mirror. 1777 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,880 Mirrors tell the truth about people being there. 1778 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:53,520 Then the mom is real, Lily is real, but we don't know who Lily 1779 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,720 is because she's in the mirror, so she has to be real. 1780 01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,920 But Tomas announces her and says we have a new dancer from San 1781 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,640 Francisco. OK, Lily's real, but Nina's 1782 01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,000 projecting Lily as something that she's seeing. 1783 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:07,200 Yeah, like I think Lily is just some rando ass like person in 1784 01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,480 the background. I think Lily's just a dancer. 1785 01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:11,240 Yeah, I think she's just back there. 1786 01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:12,800 Lily does want to be Nina's friend. 1787 01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,000 But I think Nina, what we're seeing, like I've said before, 1788 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,240 what we're seeing through Nina's eyes is a projection of what she 1789 01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:21,760 wants Lily to be, which is everything that Nina wants to 1790 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,960 be. I forgot to mention earlier and 1791 01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,160 just 'cause I just saw it. I just want to mention my 1792 01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,760 favorite scene is when Nina is over practicing right the night 1793 01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,400 before her performance and the the turn around picture I know 1794 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,600 is in all the trailers and stuff, but it gets me every 1795 01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,320 time. It's so good when her her 1796 01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,320 reflection turns around but she doesn't. 1797 01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,720 I love it. I just want to point it out. 1798 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:43,840 It's. Very like great. 1799 01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:49,200 That's where the song, the Mulan song, Mulan will my own 1800 01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:56,640 reflection is that is that from that movie or is that from 1801 01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:58,600 Pocahontas? No, it's Mulan. 1802 01:23:58,600 --> 01:23:59,920 Is it Mulan? Yeah, you're right. 1803 01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,360 Paint with all the colors of the wind, which is what her mom 1804 01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:03,640 does. Literally. 1805 01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,120 So, final thoughts on the conspiracies. 1806 01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,840 Did I open your eyes to anything that you hadn't thought of 1807 01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,480 before? Hadn't heard of it, most of 1808 01:24:13,480 --> 01:24:15,040 those. I didn't hear about the mom 1809 01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,960 being dead but I honestly don't believe that because of she and 1810 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,880 all the scenes there's that that that there is a mirror. 1811 01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,080 Her mom is there. So if the mirrors are a truth. 1812 01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:25,960 I don't know. I'm, that's what I'm pulling 1813 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,520 from because all the scenes with Lily, she's like all the scenes 1814 01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,760 with Lily, she's in the, in the not in the mirror in the bedroom 1815 01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,280 scene when they're making sweet, sweet love, She's not in the 1816 01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:38,440 mirror sweet. Sweet. 1817 01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:39,960 Oh yeah, and in. The hallway. 1818 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,680 Lily does also just to go into the maybe, maybe Erica was 1819 01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:48,400 molesting her. At the end Mila calls her sweet 1820 01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,760 girl which is the nickname her mom has for her. 1821 01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,440 I'm sorry to make that real for you, but. 1822 01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:55,800 Oh, but then she has a hallucination. 1823 01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,560 That's her as well. Yeah, yeah. 1824 01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:01,480 I don't know what The thing is about Nina seeing her face and 1825 01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:03,560 her moms face on other. People, the sex scene is a 1826 01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:04,760 dream. It's a fantasy. 1827 01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,160 That's why. Lily, You think she's just 1828 01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,480 having a wet? Dream Yeah, I do, because Lily's 1829 01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:11,320 like you had a lesser. Dream about me. 1830 01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:14,880 Like, Oh yeah, she was I. She even makes a point of saying 1831 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,240 it because I think that's her trying to appeal to her and be a 1832 01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:22,360 friend and it's again Nina going Coco. 1833 01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,280 She also didn't say that they didn't go out. 1834 01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:28,000 She doesn't say they. Didn't she didn't say we didn't 1835 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,160 go out. She just said. 1836 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,960 That I didn't go home with you. Yeah, I didn't go home with you. 1837 01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,520 She she appears in the bar mirror. 1838 01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,480 She's got to be alive. She's got to be in the bar. 1839 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,560 She's friends with Nina. Ergo, Nina's projecting. 1840 01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,680 We're seeing too much of a projection of Nina. 1841 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,480 I think Erica doesn't exist. I think. 1842 01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:49,200 She, I don't know if she's dead or just never existed, period. 1843 01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,160 But I don't think Erica exists, now that I think about it. 1844 01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,360 She doesn't leave that house. We don't know what she does. 1845 01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:56,600 But she does show up at the the performance. 1846 01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,840 No one, no one ever asks her about her mom. 1847 01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,400 Ever, You know, And she's always telling her to, like, stop 1848 01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,560 dancing true. Stop doing stuff. 1849 01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,680 Yeah. Just stop. 1850 01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,560 Stop. Stop, stop. 1851 01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:17,160 All right, so now that we've gone through all the conspiracy 1852 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,200 theories, I appreciate your time. 1853 01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,320 Thank you for doing this. What did you guys think? 1854 01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:23,600 I. Like the format? 1855 01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,120 Was this fun it? Was yes. 1856 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,720 I immediately thought of another one that we should do. 1857 01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,640 I was just saying she's still going and is her hand. 1858 01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,080 That scene with the blood and all that, it just, I think she 1859 01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:36,720 stabbed. There's. 1860 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,200 She stabbed. There's so much more room for 1861 01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,160 conversation about this. Movie. 1862 01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:42,880 She killed. Beth, I think she stabbed Beth 1863 01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:44,760 in the face. Or you think so? 1864 01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,240 Or she slipped Beth's throat with a nail fire. 1865 01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:47,600 Yeah. That's. 1866 01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,520 But why would no one come and see her about it? 1867 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:55,560 It's been several days after this days, weeks maybe go by. 1868 01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,080 It's a movie. We don't know. 1869 01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:58,800 Time is it's. A hallucination. 1870 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,960 Yeah, time is kind of irrelevant. 1871 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,960 Because like Jerry said, she's washing her hands and there's no 1872 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,120 blood. And there's nothing there's. 1873 01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,240 Nothing there. We actually don't see anything. 1874 01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:10,000 And we hang on this scene where she's washing her hands in the 1875 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,560 kitchen because we're supposed to look around at stuff, right? 1876 01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,160 Yeah. There's nothing else. 1877 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:15,880 There's. There's no. 1878 01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,200 Oh. Who was that, Nina? 1879 01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:19,640 Yeah, Jerry kept saying that too. 1880 01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:23,000 And I was like, I think it's supposed to be Beth, but it 1881 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:24,000 doesn't look like that. Some stuff. 1882 01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:26,440 All over doesn't look like that. It looks like an old old. 1883 01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:28,800 Woman, it looks. Like a woman, I don't. 1884 01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,880 Know I thought it was the old creepy lady from Legion. 1885 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:33,680 I was like, why are you? Yes. 1886 01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,000 The one who? The fuck you see? 1887 01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,120 I was like, why are you here right now? 1888 01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:38,920 Is. He I don't. 1889 01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,520 Know the paintings are creepy, I just wanted to say that. 1890 01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,080 Yeah, Nina's face painted is hella creepy. 1891 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,000 None of those, none of those look cool. 1892 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,960 Well, the first time we see her, she walks by the bedroom and 1893 01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,720 then there's see like who? Is oh, that's Nina. 1894 01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,000 That's Nina. That was that's 100%. 1895 01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,120 That was Nina 100. Percent. 1896 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,480 That was her. It was herself walking. 100%. 1897 01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:05,720 That's wild. It reminded me. 1898 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,440 Of What if Nina's she's going crazy? 1899 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:12,080 What if Nina is Winona Ryder? What if? 1900 01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,720 What? What if Nina is Winona Ryder? 1901 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,000 What if she is that character so. 1902 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,960 What if? What if Beth is Nina's mom? 1903 01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:26,120 Yeah, like some something like something where Beth kind of 1904 01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,800 isn't actually real. Beth is actually Nina. 1905 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,880 In a weird in a weird way, they almost look alike, like an older 1906 01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,760 version of Nina. Because she's in. 1907 01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,560 I feel like that's why they did the casting because Winona Ryder 1908 01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,840 almost does kind of look similar. 1909 01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,600 Aren't they similar enough they. Weren't both in Star Wars right? 1910 01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,680 No, but they were both child stars. 1911 01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,840 Who was her backup? Keira Knightley. 1912 01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,480 Keira Knightley. OK, but they're both child 1913 01:28:49,480 --> 01:28:52,680 stars. We both had similar careers in 1914 01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,280 terms of I. Don't know now that that might 1915 01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,760 be a new one that we've just uncovered that Beth is an older 1916 01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,240 version of Nina or? Yeah, that is something I did 1917 01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,560 see online, I just didn't delve into it too much. 1918 01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,640 But people do think that Beth, Beth and Nina share a lot more 1919 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,680 similarities and this could kind of happen. 1920 01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,720 I did mention at the beginning, because I think it's kind of 1921 01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,440 stupid, but people think that the movie happens at Beth's 1922 01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:18,760 head. Like Beth is worried about 1923 01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:22,560 retirement and this entire scenario happens in her head. 1924 01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:26,480 Yeah, the show Girls treatment. Yeah, but then there's also the 1925 01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:30,400 theory that Nina sees Beth and she's like, oh, I know what you 1926 01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,640 went through because she's going through the same thing. 1927 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,440 Especially with like Tomas and the harassment and all that 1928 01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:36,600 shit. So what? 1929 01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,040 Here's another theory real quick. 1930 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,000 What if Yeah, you're right, none of this stuff. 1931 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,600 And she's not a dancer. She used to be, but now she's 1932 01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:48,000 just home. That's why everything's a kid, 1933 01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:51,240 because nothing's changed since she got put into into her house 1934 01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,920 for home bed. So she never leaves. 1935 01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,760 And her only time she ever leaves is to go watch ballets 1936 01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,080 with her mom. So she watched Renona Ryder. 1937 01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,520 And. Imagined it and then possibly 1938 01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:08,800 went to the hospital to visit her and she's like, you stole my 1939 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,920 things because that's all she says yeah. 1940 01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,800 And also the thing where it says whore in the mirror, that was 1941 01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:16,800 definitely her writing it herself because she just had 1942 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,840 stolen the lipstick from Beth. It's. 1943 01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:20,600 True. It is the same. 1944 01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:24,720 Color lipstick. I always wondered, I'm like, I 1945 01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:29,840 don't, I'm not sold on who wrote Whore on the Mirror, but we, we 1946 01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:30,680 are. We are. 1947 01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,520 Wasn't written. We've been talking for a long 1948 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,280 time. I think we should wrap it up, 1949 01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:38,120 but this is this was really fun. There's so much more to explore. 1950 01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,160 I love movies like this. Shut up. 1951 01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,120 No, no, no, that's not what I mean. 1952 01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:45,800 But I, I do I, I think this is so fascinating. 1953 01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,640 There's just so many roads to go down. 1954 01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,080 No, I do, I agree. I think it opens up a different 1955 01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:54,600 kind of Ave. for us and, and maybe delving into movies that 1956 01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,240 we've put off for one reason or another because they're too long 1957 01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:03,120 or they're too involved. I think we can bring up things. 1958 01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:05,400 I don't know. There was a movie I suggested 1959 01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:07,120 and I think we kind of vetoed it because of. 1960 01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:10,280 Interstellar. Something something like that is 1961 01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:11,680 there? There was one I There was one 1962 01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:12,840 that we. Vetoed this one off. 1963 01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,440 The Godfather movie. There was one that we. 1964 01:31:14,440 --> 01:31:15,760 Vetoed. I put this one off for. 1965 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,600 A while because I think of time, and I think this opens it up to 1966 01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:24,680 being more of a discussion of a movie that we've watched and 1967 01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,280 then have feelings about and we ask each other questions about. 1968 01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:29,720 I think it's great. I like. 1969 01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:31,120 I like this. This was a. 1970 01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,600 This was really fun. Do we still get to rate them 1971 01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:35,080 though? Oh, absolutely. 1972 01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,880 My final question is. The ratings, what doesn't make 1973 01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,480 sense to do that? Anymore what is your thoughts 1974 01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:45,080 and tell me most importantly, what are they all raising I. 1975 01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,640 Think I'm AI, think I'm a middle of the road for this one. 1976 01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:49,640 Do you want to give it 5 anything? 1977 01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,520 I'm going to give it 51. The fuck one. 1978 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,600 Yeah, just that actually. Just what the fuck? 1979 01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:59,160 Yeah. Who the fuck is the blacks one? 1980 01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,880 I'm going to give it. I think I'm middle of the road. 1981 01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:04,600 It's, it's not, it's not, it's not a terrible movie. 1982 01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:08,000 I fell more in love with this movie after I watched it and I 1983 01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,200 didn't know how I would feel. I like that because I was, I was 1984 01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,560 kind of on the fence where I was like, I liked it when I was 1985 01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,640 younger, but then I was like, do I just like it because everybody 1986 01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,480 else likes it? And I want to be cool and I want 1987 01:32:19,480 --> 01:32:21,920 to be seen as someone who knows about film. 1988 01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:23,720 And so I was like, maybe I hate it. 1989 01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:25,960 And now like that, I've seen it again. 1990 01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,840 I I don't know this, this experience of watching it really 1991 01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,440 open my eyes. I usually don't like movies with 1992 01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,880 open ends like this, but this really made me think. 1993 01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:36,360 I haven't stopped thinking about it. 1994 01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,680 And so I'm going to give it a pretty high. 1995 01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,320 I think I'm going to give this a seven. 1996 01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:42,240 Yeah. Wow. 1997 01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:52,360 A7 white Swans. I'm going to give it 3. 1998 01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:59,520 Black mirrors. 4. Oh, OK. 1999 01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,160 Bird feet where toes are stuck with. 2000 01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:09,000 Toes. Oh I I am going to change mine 2001 01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,320 to mannequin hands. I liked when Jerry said that 2002 01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:13,600 earlier. That was really good. 2003 01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:18,800 That's exactly how I feel. So Jerry, you really, I just 2004 01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,440 have to like mention this. Jerry really was not looking 2005 01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:23,840 forward to like dragging his feet watching this. 2006 01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,480 So how do you feel afterwards? I really have to know. 2007 01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:28,880 It's OK. I mean, it's digestible now. 2008 01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:32,960 Yeah, that I'm like older I guess and kind of understand a 2009 01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,360 little bit more about it, but I still think it's boring and. 2010 01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,600 You think it's too much thrown at the wall to see what sticks? 2011 01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,720 K, That's fair. I think that's. 2012 01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,840 Fair. It's just like, I like that. 2013 01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,720 I don't want to. I don't want fake deep. 2014 01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,440 I'm 14 and this is deep. I fake deep. 2015 01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:53,040 Yeah, that's kinda that's you. Know what fake deep is No where 2016 01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:57,560 someone's like bro like like it's just so like metaphorically 2017 01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,360 speaking that like the world just like you know like talking 2018 01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,400 so deep like that's fake. Like do you know that there? 2019 01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,840 Are people in third world countries that are like, totally 2020 01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,440 suffering while we like open magazines and we have our and 2021 01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:13,680 and everyone's like, whoa, yeah. Not like hippie wise, but people 2022 01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,400 that are just trying to say like type deep statements that are 2023 01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,440 like not deep and live left love. 2024 01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:21,440 Yeah. Yeah, vegans are vegans, but 2025 01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:24,840 they still use plastic for their storage. 2026 01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:26,080 Say less fan. It's like. 2027 01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,200 Fake real eyes. Real eyes, yeah. 2028 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,040 Yeah, like chill eyes, chill out. 2029 01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,480 We're all doing the best we. Can real thighs or whatever it. 2030 01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,520 Is, but I think that's what's. Big thighs. 2031 01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:38,680 That's what I thought about this movie for many years is I did 2032 01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,200 think it was like fake deep where everyone was like, Oh my 2033 01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,480 God, this is so. Deep and this is this this and. 2034 01:34:43,480 --> 01:34:46,480 That and I was like, whatever, she just fucking died at the 2035 01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:46,880 end. Who? 2036 01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,960 Cares. Yeah, but there is. 2037 01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,120 I don't know if it was. I don't know if it's one of 2038 01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:54,200 those ones. I mean, I think there's a lot to 2039 01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,640 unpack. I don't think the whole movie is 2040 01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,880 fake deep, I just think that it's kind of fake deep. 2041 01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,760 That's fine. I think there are certain Oscar 2042 01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:05,480 movies that are like that. If I could be so for real. 2043 01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,520 I like La La Land. It's not that deep. 2044 01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,920 I don't know why that movie won Oscars. 2045 01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,480 Is it beautiful to look at? Yeah. 2046 01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:18,440 But you're telling me that movie is is better than Hairspray? 2047 01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,160 Hairspray is entertaining. It is lively. 2048 01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:22,600 Those I. Actually thought Hairspray was 2049 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:24,280 so moving. Reminded me of grease. 2050 01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,600 Yeah, those people are moving on stream. 2051 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:31,120 I've seen the original. The music, the music fucking 2052 01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,360 bombs and like it's a good movie The. 2053 01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,920 One the one that. Original and I'm saying, are you 2054 01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:40,600 telling me that like Hairspray isn't considered Oscar worthy 2055 01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:44,840 but La La Land is just because it has like a better color story 2056 01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,360 and. Because it was directed. 2057 01:35:46,440 --> 01:35:49,640 By And it's directed by this indie guy who had this vision. 2058 01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,240 Like, don't get me wrong, I'm not discounting him. 2059 01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,480 Yeah, but I'm like, don't say something is good good just 2060 01:35:55,480 --> 01:35:59,040 because only a few people know about it, I think. 2061 01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,280 Fuck off. I remember I remember watching 2062 01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:04,400 that based on like, not sorry, I didn't watch it based on the 2063 01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:08,160 hype, but I remember watching it and being influenced by the hype 2064 01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:11,440 and then not coming out of it being like it was all right. 2065 01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:15,760 I felt, yeah, to me, La La Land was just OK. 2066 01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,480 It's fine. I was so happy with Moonlight 2067 01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:20,520 won best pitcher instead of La La Land. 2068 01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:22,160 Moonlight is. Are you saying LA? 2069 01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,320 La Land. Yeah, Well, that I was. 2070 01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:25,920 I remember exactly what happened. 2071 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,120 I remember reading it because we used to do the ballots. 2072 01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,120 Oh fine, I. Remember watching it being like, 2073 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,280 what the fuck, La La Land one like there's no way that should 2074 01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:34,720 have won. And then, you know, by the way, 2075 01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,600 by the time I've done saying that they're like, we made a 2076 01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,600 mistake, Moonlight one. I was like, Oh yeah, of course. 2077 01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,360 Bro, that movie. Was amazing thing. 2078 01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:43,280 I'm just wondering. They didn't. 2079 01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:47,280 I bet you that was like I bet. You there's, I don't know. 2080 01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:48,800 He was drunk. I don't want to. 2081 01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,160 He read the nomination. He didn't read the winner, he 2082 01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,200 read the nomination. I don't want to say all of. 2083 01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,560 Warren Beatty. On recordings, Warren Beatty, 2084 01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:58,800 there's some there's some things about Warren Beatty and Faye 2085 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,840 Dunaway, who played the original Bonnie and Clyde, if you guys 2086 01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:03,920 didn't know that in the like first feature film. 2087 01:37:04,440 --> 01:37:07,360 But there's some things about them being alleged. 2088 01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,000 Racist, possibly. Which is why they didn't call. 2089 01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,240 Moonlight and they didn't call Moonlight because Moonlight is a 2090 01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:16,080 gay black romance. Yeah, which I thought was a is a 2091 01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,760 beautiful movie. So allegedly, and I've seen 2092 01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:20,800 moonlight, it's it's good, it's fine, it's. 2093 01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:22,280 A gay black romance? Yeah. 2094 01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:24,680 Set over 3. Decades actually. 2095 01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:28,520 Like what do you mean 3 decades? 33 points in the guy's life, 2096 01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:31,400 child. Yeah, I don't want to compare it 2097 01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:35,000 to Brokeback Mountain, Forrest Gump, but similar timeline wise, 2098 01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,120 just Forrest. Gump no breaking down his life, 2099 01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:38,680 no. No, no, not that. 2100 01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,240 Not that intricate. Forrest Gump. 2101 01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:41,640 No. No. 2102 01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,480 Forrest. Gump, you're very generalizing. 2103 01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,960 Don't ever say. Don't say that. 2104 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:51,680 Oh, no, I want to. I want to watch. 2105 01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,400 I wanted to watch Moonlight only. 2106 01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:56,000 Didn't they win? Yes, they did, but they're the 2107 01:37:56,040 --> 01:38:00,080 ones that got fucked over. Yeah, but I only wanted to watch 2108 01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:01,760 it because I was like, well, that's fucked up. 2109 01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,400 Yeah, now I have to watch this movie so. 2110 01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:07,320 It's worth it. Yeah, I've I've seen it, but I'm 2111 01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:09,200 willing I I'd be down to watch it again. 2112 01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:10,880 It's interesting. It's a good movie. 2113 01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,080 So yeah, that's going to kind of wrap up our Black Swan 2114 01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,360 conversation the next. Whoa, whoa, whoa. 2115 01:38:18,440 --> 01:38:19,000 What? What? 2116 01:38:19,480 --> 01:38:20,640 Why? Why is this one black? 2117 01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:21,040 Yeah. Oh. 2118 01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:26,400 My God, everyone, really. So our next pick is going to be 2119 01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:29,840 yet another Oscar pick, and it will come from Daniel. 2120 01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:33,280 Daniel, did you have something or do you want to wait? 2121 01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:35,960 I have something, but I ain't telling you shit. 2122 01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,480 That is fine. Are we going to be breaking this 2123 01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:43,080 down differently? Will the audience find out next 2124 01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:43,920 week? What are we doing? 2125 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,440 We're going to be doing the same format. 2126 01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:47,600 OK, I just have to figure out what movie it is. 2127 01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:48,680 Outside, you actually don't have. 2128 01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:50,640 No, of course not. Come on bro, it's. 2129 01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,680 Me. I do want to just announce a 2130 01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,720 couple of things. So as always, if you enjoy our 2131 01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:59,880 podcast, we'd really love if you shared it with someone special, 2132 01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,760 share it on your social medias, whatever. 2133 01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:07,520 We'd really appreciate it. Tell us, you know, we just want 2134 01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,840 to reach as many people as we can and we're having a lot of 2135 01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:13,560 fun starting season 4. We're excited to try a lot of 2136 01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:18,720 new things this year. And please feel free on any 2137 01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,840 platform wherever you're following us, make sure to drop 2138 01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,120 us a comment. Let us know what you would like 2139 01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:27,120 to hear next. Let us know what are your 2140 01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:30,320 favorite podcasts and what are your favorite movies? 2141 01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:34,040 You can follow us on the cinema sit down podcast. 2142 01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:38,000 We're on Instagram, TikTok, iTunes. 2143 01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:41,720 Yeah, we're on Spotify, but I don't suggest you use Spotify 2144 01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:44,160 'cause I think there's still linked to things that we don't 2145 01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:46,560 like. But we can't condone it, so if 2146 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,080 you've got it, listen to us. Wherever you get your podcast 2147 01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:53,760 title, listen to us. You can also find us all 2148 01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,440 individually. I have a YouTube channel. 2149 01:39:56,440 --> 01:39:59,160 I'd really appreciate it if you went and checked that out. 2150 01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,400 Anything else that we would like to shout? 2151 01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:04,600 Out We're gonna break records this year on longest movie run 2152 01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:06,320 times. Kill you. 2153 01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:08,120 I'm going to pick. Going to the wind, bitch. 2154 01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,600 I'm going to pick. Three hour podcast, Let's go. 2155 01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:11,720 I'm going to pick a movie called. 2156 01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,840 Out. And it's by a French, a French 2157 01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:20,320 film guy named, Oh no, I know Jacquis Rivera. 773 minutes. 2158 01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,280 I'm very familiar. With it 13 hour movie. 2159 01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:23,320 Done. Easy. 2160 01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:24,360 Hell. Yeah, we're going to have a good 2161 01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:26,960 time talking about that. I'm also. 10. 2162 01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:33,840 Because this this video was heavily influenced by other 2163 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:38,480 media I saw I will give links in the description for other 2164 01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:41,960 Youtubers and places you can go on the Internet to find more 2165 01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:45,400 conspiracy theories about this movie because I do think that 2166 01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,600 it's worth deep diving And with that I. 2167 01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:50,720 Think so too. This was fun, yes. 2168 01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:52,360 That's been our first episode back. 2169 01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:54,040 Of course, we'll see you next time. 2170 01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,000 Bye. Bye, take care, have a good 2171 01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:01,040 evening, stay warm. Oh, yeah, although I mean all 2172 01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:02,720 those things, it's cold, it's cold. 2173 01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:04,240 It's. Cold, it's cold. 2174 01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:06,040 Keep your loved ones close. We love you guys. 2175 01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:08,800 Wear your long. Spay, spay and neuter your pet. 2176 01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,120 Neuter your. Spay and neuter your loved ones. 2177 01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,120 People, get your loved. Ones all of them get them 2178 01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:14,840 spayed. It's not the time to have kids. 2179 01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:15,440 Bye.