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Visit stride.com and see how 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,960 Stride powers your plan to the finish line. 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,600 Hello everybody, and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast, 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,120 where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy, discuss the 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,240 art and science of running in the stuff that we put on our 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,200 feet today at the round table, we have Doctor David Salas and 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,040 myself. I'm Nathan Brown, and of course 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,560 you are here because we are going to be doing our preview of 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,920 the Badger football season for this upcoming fall. 19 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:09,240 I'm going to be breaking down every single game of the entire 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,520 season. I'm just kidding. 21 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,440 Obviously we're not going to be doing that, but I am going to 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,080 tell you that I wouldn't be surprised. 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,240 Well, yeah, we don't play SC. This is gonna be ACLA. 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,000 Don't play them this year. Really. 25 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,760 No. There's so many teams in the Big 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,600 10, but we do have the toughest schedule in the Big 10 of any 27 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,160 Big 10 team and there's a real chance we go 3 and 9. 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,960 I want us to not do that. But if? 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,160 You really believe you can go 1:00 and 11:00? 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,360 I won't go that far. And there's your entire 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,440 conversation about football. Let's move on. 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,640 Today we actually have a pretty fun topic. 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,640 David and I are going to be talking about our favorite 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,520 racing distances as well as talking about the different 35 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,800 shoes that we have been testing and getting miles on on our 36 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,440 feet. And then we're going to dip into 37 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,360 the mailbag a little bit at the end. 38 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,160 But before we do that, did you have something else you wanted 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,160 to say? I was going to say, Speaking of 40 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,760 Big 10 sports, the video I shared the other day of the 41 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,919 video. So for those who don't know, 42 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,840 'cause obviously probably no one knows outside of the internal 43 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,600 personal chats, but there was, I think it was CBS Sports I think 44 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,160 released this reel out and it was different players within the 45 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,880 Big 10. So it was like a collaboration 46 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,120 between Big 10 sports or however many teams are in the Big 10 and 47 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:31,840 CBS Sports, going over the players and if they know what 48 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,880 the item that they're showing them is. 49 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,480 Oh yes, and. They're showing them the 50 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,240 Nintendo GameCube. And no one knew what it was. 51 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,160 No one knew what it was. They thought it was like a 3D 52 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,280 printer. They thought it was. 53 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,000 They had no. Science class, They thought it 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,560 was a record player, A few of them said record player. 55 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,000 It's really cool. Came clean and we're just like. 56 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,920 I have no idea what that is. It's it's definitely one of 57 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:57,560 those like, we're not old, right? 58 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Like I'm 33, you're 30, you're 30, right? 59 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,960 Yeah. OK, so we're in our 30s now and 60 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,360 we're not old, but we're definitely, you know, 14 years 61 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,360 away from what they've experienced. 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,440 And so it, it is funny to to start to get to that age where 63 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,560 things are cycled out from what is common knowledge in our 64 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,840 memory. Very interesting. 65 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,160 So that's yeah, that was a really. 66 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,760 Funny Pokémon Coliseum. But I do need to say, I do need 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,000 to say the Badger quarterback was not on that video, probably 68 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,240 because he knew what it was. Also probably because he's like 69 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,520 a fifth year senior, so he's like 5 years old, man. 70 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,640 And some of those guys. All right, so let's get to the 71 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,880 in for testing segment. This is where we talk about the 72 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,320 shoes and gear that we have been testing have on our feet. 73 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:49,080 This is powered by Scratch Labs who has a lot of offerings when 74 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,400 it comes to run nutrition and hydration. 75 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,520 So do you have any shoes or anything that you have been 76 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,280 running in lately that's worth chatting on? 77 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,160 Yeah, I've had two. We'll be getting the written 78 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,320 review out on this soon, but ACE ACT 2014. 79 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,680 So they increase the medial wedge there, as you can see. 80 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,440 You're scuffing that, huh? I'm scuffing it a little bit. 81 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,320 My thirteens are actually right here. 82 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,320 Ironically, that wasn't by design or plan. 83 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,680 Now, I don't know if it's necessarily that they increase 84 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,519 the wedge. Looks like they might have a 85 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:24,840 little bit, but I think the foam's a little just a little 86 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:27,480 softer. They're using Blast Max now and 87 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,920 I think I might just be coming medially a little bit more than 88 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,000 I used to with the Blast Plus. I think that makes sense too 89 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,600 because if they're using a softer foam around where kind of 90 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,120 they have the stiffening agent and some of the wedging, you're 91 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,800 going to flatten out that softer part easier and it's going to 92 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,960 feel more pronounced the stability mechanism, so. 93 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,680 A little bit of scuff in there too, but not not as dramatic 94 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,000 though. I mean, this is like, I mean, I, 95 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,560 I only, I don't have that many miles on these. 96 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,960 You know, I have probably 200 on this and you know, maybe 25 to 97 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,000 30 on these. Are you hitting that with your 98 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,760 other foot as you're swinging through or what? 99 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,840 I did the same thing for The Tempest. 100 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,800 A lot of shoes that have kind of a lot of medial, so flare on the 101 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,360 heel, I I can scuff them sometimes I don't really know 102 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,360 where my mechanics I do that, but. 103 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,120 I'm thinking if that pitches you a little bit laterally. 104 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,880 OG pair of Tempest anymore but that was something. 105 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,600 Here's my endorphin speeds. See. 106 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:30,720 Yeah, OK. I'm trying to think like, what's 107 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,840 something that has a lot of wear in here, back here, I don't 108 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:37,160 know, But yeah, I can do it. Especially if it kind of flares 109 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,040 out a little bit in the heel. Yeah, I don't really know why. 110 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,520 I'm thinking that if you have a, a shoe that's, you know, very, 111 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,560 you know, a lot of medial flair that can bias you laterally. 112 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,480 So if your entire center of mass is getting pitched a little bit 113 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,760 to your stance leg, your swing leg might come a little bit 114 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,600 closer and, and scuff you there. So that's really interesting. 115 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,640 Yeah, Andrea noticed that. Not Myers Sockney. 116 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,160 Oh yeah. I want to respect anonymity, so 117 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,760 I didn't want to say last names. Yeah, that's great. 118 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,520 That not that I've said, well, everyone knows Andrea's last 119 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,640 name on our team, so. Yeah, yeah. 120 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,520 That's great. And So what is your thoughts on 121 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,240 that shoe so far otherwise? Compared to Last Jake, I know 122 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,240 Klein isn't the biggest fan of the change well, but he says 123 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:27,680 that it feels more stable. And I agree, it does feel more 124 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,960 stable in that heel. I think in doing so it almost 125 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,440 feels like it needs to just be rounded a little bit more. 126 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,880 It almost feels like it's almost too structured in the heel. 127 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,360 So I can kind of see. I know he has kind of a slapping 128 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,960 sensation. He gets into the forefoot. 129 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,120 I I do too. But I feel like I settle into 130 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,840 rhythm within a mile or two and then it kind of goes away. 131 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,640 But my initial steps I kind of do. 132 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,360 But it's nice, you know, I actually do like it. 133 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,240 I think it's good for rhythmic easy miles. 134 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,440 I think it's still can be a solid daily trainer. 135 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,400 I don't know if I love it as much as the previous version, 136 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,840 but I don't hate it. You know, I don't, it's not like 137 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:08,960 one of those things where they changed it and I'm like, Oh my 138 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,760 gosh, how could they do that? You know, it still feels like 139 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,880 AGT to me. It's just I think I like the 140 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,840 previous one more upper is nice. You know, it locks down really 141 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,000 well and the materials are comfortable and I, I don't have 142 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,800 any issues with the shoe really outside of just that heel just 143 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,400 feeling a little more structured. 144 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,520 The forefoot feels like it has a tiny bit more pop. 145 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,320 It almost feels Novoblasty, but there's not as much foam. 146 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,480 So it's not, I don't want it to sound like, Oh yeah, that's like 147 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,280 a stable, like a stability Novoblast. 148 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,560 That's not what it is. But the foam just has kind of 149 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,160 like an aspect to it where you can kind of, if you can feel 150 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,120 that little compliance, bounce to it where it was more of a 151 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,120 rigid bounce in the previous model. 152 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:55,120 I tend to like the firmer shoes. So I went with, I'd probably go 153 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,440 13 / 14 personally, but I still think the 14 is good. 154 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,400 And I think there's probably a good handful people that will 155 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:06,400 like the 14 more than 13. And then the other one, Oh, 156 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,600 sorry, it's just like 3. So getting some miles on that, 157 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,320 doing my stuff. Just did a long run in it. 158 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,720 Yeah, mixed feelings on it. I think I like it. 159 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,440 I think it's really fun when I'm not tired, and then once I get 160 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,000 tired, I feel like I'm fighting it. 161 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,280 I feel like I'm fighting it hard. 162 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,080 Like, I think my lateral ankle's a little bit sore. 163 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,480 That's a platform shoe. Like some of these bigger 164 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,200 stacked ones feel like platform shoes where you're just really 165 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,240 high. It's fun. 166 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,120 It's vaulted, but yeah, it's fun. 167 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,520 Like it's got stuff to it, but it's. 168 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:41,240 Vaulted Speed Vault. Oh no way, did not know that. 169 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:44,120 Yeah. You know, it is fun. 170 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,000 It's a rigid, you know, snappy, bouncy shoe. 171 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,800 The DNA gold is nice. You know, it's one of those 172 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,720 things where it's like, where was that three years ago, 173 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,200 Brooks? Like yes, yes. 174 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,440 You guys got it in on top of the market. 175 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,640 But yeah, I actually do really like it. 176 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,480 I just, I think for me, it's just not, it's just not my shoe. 177 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,800 I, I, I really, really wanted to like it for long runs. 178 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,680 And maybe I would, I also like for some reference here, like I 179 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:16,640 was running with some guys that are pretty fast that, that I 180 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:19,680 would run with normally when I was running pretty fast, I 181 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:23,000 guess. And I'm, I'm very out of shape. 182 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,760 And so we were running through these massive hills and running 183 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,360 faster than I'm in shape for and I, I got, got pretty hard. 184 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,720 So like I, I, I was very, very tired. 185 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,800 So in the situation where like maybe I'm running more steady 186 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,200 and in my own lane, maybe I would still like it for the 187 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,280 longer efforts. But I think the second I crossed 188 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,200 that line into getting really tired, I think I just start 189 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,000 getting flimsy and I'm fighting my own mechanics and that she 190 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,440 wasn't helping me. Yeah, that makes sense. 191 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,360 What about you? Yeah, I've got a couple things. 192 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,560 One of them is a shoe, the other one is something different. 193 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:02,320 But for the shoe side, I've actually been getting some miles 194 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,320 in the Clifton 10 from Hoka. And I know this one's been out 195 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,520 for a while, but I just got my pair and I was a big fan of the 196 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:14,720 Clifton 9 and I typically in the Clifton, it's a little bit snug 197 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,280 for me. So I got the wide version. 198 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,680 I actually say that this wide version might be too much volume 199 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:22,000 for me and I may have done better in the normal. 200 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,760 So it is what it is there. But I think what I have been 201 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,400 experiencing more is the difference between the midsole 202 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,040 of the Nine and the 10. There's differences in the foam, 203 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,440 there's differences in the drop. Like there's a lot of changes 204 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:35,960 here. You can feel them. 205 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,760 And I'll be honest that I'm not as much of a fan of this model 206 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,760 as I was the previous. I felt like the Nine gave the 207 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Clifton, which was has always been a traditional daily 208 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,640 trainer, a little bit of pop. This one does not feel poppy. 209 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,800 It feels very airy and light, but almost like the foam is 210 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,040 flattening out so fast and I only have like 3 or four runs in 211 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,640 this thing and I already feel like it's not. 212 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,400 It's not giving back to me in the way that the Clifton 9 did. 213 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,960 So it just feels kind of really light and area. 214 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,880 So if you like that feeling, it's going to feel really light 215 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,360 on foot. It also flexes a bit more than 216 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,080 the previous version. So I'm finding that it's just a 217 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,200 little bit more of a, you know, demand on your forefoot, which 218 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:18,560 again, could be a good or a bad thing. 219 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:23,520 But in my opinion, this movement was a step back from the 9. 220 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,040 I liked the nine a lot. So it's just more of maybe a 221 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,600 bias there, but it depends on what you like. 222 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,360 So if you really want that airy feel, kind of that not poppy, 223 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,160 just light and cushioned, that'll be the Clifton 10 for 224 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,560 you tonight. It's a nice shoe. 225 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,680 I just think I really liked the nine. 226 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:43,080 So that's kind of where I'm at. The other thing that I just 227 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,520 wanted to mention is because I'm bald and it's summer, I wear 228 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,520 cap, I wear hats a lot. And so I've been running a lot 229 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,160 in the new CLA hats that we've been sent somewhere in one of 230 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,200 them right now, and this is their classic Go Cap. 231 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:01,920 And then the other one that I've been running is the Go Cap comp. 232 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,800 And there's the difference is like the, the classic has a 233 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,360 little bit more of a kind of thick brim to it. 234 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,440 And I, I wear this one just daily, like walking to work and 235 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,400 like doing all that stuff. Whereas the comp is a little bit 236 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,200 more synthetic, feel a little bit lighter and then the brim is 237 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,160 thinner. So both of them kind of can do 238 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,120 the flip up or down depend on what you want. 239 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,960 But I've been loving the caps and they've really dialed in 240 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,280 their sizing in the last couple years because I have a really 241 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,520 small head and now they have varied options based on head 242 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,160 circumference. So I just want to give them a 243 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,360 shout out because I legit like love wearing these caps and I I 244 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,000 wear them all the time. So those are my couple things in 245 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,240 for testing when. People ask me about hats. 246 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,400 I'm like, and thankfully it's two of the companies that send 247 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,040 us things, but I really like Ciali and I really like Fractal. 248 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,280 I feel like they both just make solid hats and the fits are ever 249 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,760 so slightly different. I know like the Fractal ones 250 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,960 don't fit your head quite. As they're a little too big. 251 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,120 Yeah, thankfully they both fit my head pretty well, so I have 0 252 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,760 complaints on either of them. I've been rocking the heck out 253 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,680 of that Tokyo Ciali go cap that I've been wearing it all the 254 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:10,040 time. I wanted to grab it but it I 255 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,160 think it's on my chair outside. Yeah, perfect. 256 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,800 Great. Well, that is our in for testing 257 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,520 segment again fueled by scratch labs. 258 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,160 If you want 20% off your first order, you can use the code 259 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,200 Doctors of Running. So what we're going to do next 260 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,680 is we're going to talk through our favorite racing distances 261 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,600 and then we're going to talk about what shoes we would 262 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,640 personally choose to run those in. 263 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,200 And we're kind of giving the caveat if we had been healthy 264 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,160 and we've at this point where we're fully trained for the race 265 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,320 because we are not in shape for all the races we're going to 266 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,400 talk about. And then after we talk about our 267 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,120 favorite races, we also might verge into, hey, what's your 268 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,920 favorite race to watch and why? So let's start with like your 269 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,600 third favorite type of race to run in. 270 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,200 What distance is it? And then what shoe would you 271 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,280 pick? Do we want to do it like a 321? 272 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,200 321. Kind of style, no? 273 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,880 But I mean like together. Like. 274 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,600 At the same time. All right, let's do it. 275 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,360 OK. All right, so. 276 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,280 If we got the whole favorite up or anything, we just say the 277 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,760 distance and then we can and then we'll. 278 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,000 Break it back. And forth, Yeah. 279 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:19,520 Great. OK, All right. 32110K All right. 280 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,360 Different. OK, So what? 281 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,320 Tell me why Marathon is your third favorite, which means you 282 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,840 like it to some extent, and then what would you pick for running 283 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,160 it? Yeah, or, or half, I guess I, 284 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,840 I'll just kind of lump all long Rd. distances together. 285 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,920 When you're in shape for it and it goes well, it can be fun, 286 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,680 right? Like you're just kind of going 287 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,400 out on a long fast run. You're never really running. 288 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,040 You're going 26 miles, you know, So you're never really like 289 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,960 going so fast that it's a pace that you can't do right. 290 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,720 Like you're not dying really until you are, which is like 291 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,320 super late into the race, but like you should get through 15 292 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,360 to 18 of them feeling pretty good, right? 293 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,520 And then you kind of grind it out. 294 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,120 But it's a pace you can grind it out and then you kind of slowly 295 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,600 die and you finish and then you have some fun at the finish 296 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,520 line, you know, and it's a very celebratory thing. 297 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,280 So I think it it, it's a fun event, but there's so much work 298 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,440 that goes into it and there's so much that can go wrong. 299 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,560 And I'd be lying if I told you that was my favorite distance, 300 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,520 you know, where it's just like, I mean, it is hard, right? 301 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,320 Like, and, and it depends too. Like I think it'd be different. 302 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,200 I mean, when I was running my marathons, I was running them 303 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,080 four time, right? Like I was trying to run as hard 304 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,520 as I could for 26 miles. And I think it is different. 305 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,640 If I was running it recreationally, I might have a 306 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,960 different take, you know, where it's like, oh, I'm just, I'm 307 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,760 doing the distance and it's just a celebration the whole way. 308 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,720 And there's all this positive energy and you're going slow 309 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,160 enough to be, you know, I don't know, grab. 310 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,280 Like, let's say you're at the Boston Marathon and someone's 311 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,800 got shot glasses on a table and you take a shot like, you know, 312 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,840 people like having drinks or snacks and engaging with the 313 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,600 fans. You can do that in a marathon. 314 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,200 So that's kind of cool, but when you're running fast, there is 315 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,520 none of that. So do you think, do you think 316 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,160 it's possible for you to have a mindset shift where you could 317 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,800 casually run a marathon? I think I'm already kind of 318 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,080 going that way. To be. 319 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,240 Completely honest, yeah, I don't know. 320 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,480 I'm still, I mean, you, you, you know, we talk in the chats and 321 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,440 stuff, but I haven't been running hard for six months now. 322 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,680 And I think there's still a part of me that likes it. 323 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,640 I think I still like the community aspect of it, but 324 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:39,000 there, there's still a roadblock of getting on a line and not 325 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,400 going for it, right? Like, and that's, that's a weird 326 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,520 line to cross. And I, I don't think I'm fully 327 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,400 there yet, but I, I can see the appeal of it because the running 328 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:55,800 community is so great, you know? So I, I mean, especially whether 329 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,760 it's Rd. marathons or, or trail events, I feel like both of 330 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,160 those communities are just so phenomenal. 331 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,280 I can totally see why people just get hooked on it. 332 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,160 I almost wish I got into running later in the life. 333 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,079 I feel like I got jaded a little bit, Yeah. 334 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,359 Like me, yeah, I don't have any of this pressure to be like what 335 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,680 I used to be, you know, or like, yeah, I just never had top end 336 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,680 anything so. And there's not even like 337 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,839 pressure of like what a quote UN quote used to be. 338 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:24,960 It's just like just, I don't know, like you just want to be 339 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,640 good. You just like you want to 340 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,440 compete and do well. Like it's not even like anything 341 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,960 in relation to the past, but I don't know. 342 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,920 But anyways, the shoe, we're getting the shoe as well, right? 343 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,520 What would you choose for that? As of right now, my shoe is 344 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,840 still good ol reliable right here. 345 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,680 Oh wow, Saucony and Dorfin Elite one until further again, if I 346 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,200 was in shape for it and I was training hard, maybe Metaspeed 347 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,320 Edge Tokyo. I maybe I just I haven't run a 348 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,760 long enough effort in that shoe to really feel good about saying 349 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,760 that. And this is something that I 350 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,280 know and I trust and I've done many efforts 20 miles or over 351 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:10,080 Endorfin Elite. And this is, I believe, wait, is 352 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,120 this the pair that I ran my PR in? 353 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:14,120 It might be. Yeah, I think so. 354 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,720 It's all shredded up. Amazing, I love it. 355 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,480 I have 3 pairs so I don't actually remember which ones. 356 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,360 Which is it? This is the 9.51 than it is. 357 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,360 No this is the 9. So not the not the official 358 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:29,400 pair. Nice. 359 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,200 But yeah I'd go endorphin elite one. 360 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Nice. What about you? 361 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,560 Yeah, So what I had said for mine for number 3 is the 10 Ki 362 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,440 do want to give an honorable mention because I've never ran 363 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,320 any of this race, which is why I felt like I couldn't say it. 364 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,360 But I think that if I could stay healthy long enough to do trail 365 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:56,680 ultras, I think that might even vault up to #1 for me because of 366 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,440 that. Just like it's just go out 367 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,640 there, chill. And like I even have friends 368 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,240 running a 50K in September, then they don't listen to this pot. 369 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,680 My friends don't listen to the podcast. 370 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,960 Thank goodness. Yeah. 371 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,040 It's like, so they're all running a 50K up at State Park 372 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,200 north of us by like 1/2 hour. And like, part of me is like, 373 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,480 what if I just sign up and just see what happens? 374 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,880 Because I feel you can do that. Wait, what is it again? 375 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,520 It's in September, mid-september. 376 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,720 If you do it I'll I'll do 1. Oh my gosh. 377 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,440 I I was thinking about it, there's, there's going to be a 378 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,120 brand new race, actually a UTMV sponsored race coming to the 379 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:36,240 Central Coast. It's going to. 380 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,720 Be if, if anyone is listening to this and you are looking at 381 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,880 trail events, I actually am not as familiar with those trails 382 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,080 because it's over in the Solvang Santa Ynez Valley out there in 383 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,760 the Backcountry, like in the valley over there. 384 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,360 But yeah, it's going to be a UT MB Point race. 385 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,880 It's called Pacific Trails, Hoka sponsoring it. 386 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,760 It looks like they're trying to make it the real thing, you 387 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,200 know, so it should be a good event. 388 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,600 That one's in November. Well, I'll tell you, if I do 389 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,200 mine, then you're going to have to do it. 390 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,000 Shake on it. Right now, Ultras, we're ultras, 391 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,280 OK? If if you do it, we can find 392 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,360 suffer together, but you suffer first, which kind of? 393 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:19,280 Suffer first, yeah, because I like, I mean I ran, I ran like 394 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,760 14 1/2 recently. Like I have miles on right now, 395 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,720 like I ran 11 this morning and it didn't feel like anything. 396 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,400 So in a good way, like, but my body's not totally holding up 397 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,160 anyway for the 10K though, I like the 10K, but I'm not super 398 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,400 experienced in it, but I like it because I don't have top end 399 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,560 speed. I've ran, I've ran a couple of 400 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,840 five KS, like as hard as I can and I'm just I, I don't have 401 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,760 that top end speed and I always hurt in a certain way after 402 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,960 those that I just don't like. Like my hips get really mad, but 403 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,960 if I go 10 Ki, I again, I have to dial it back just a touch. 404 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:01,680 And the most recent 10 Ki raced was about a year ago on Labor 405 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,920 Day and I ran it in the cloud boom strike from on and I loved 406 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,520 this shoe for that for that distance. 407 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,320 It's definitely more aggressive that I would take then I would 408 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,160 take in a lot of different ways and because of the the design at 409 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,800 the midsole where there's kind of like the cut between the heel 410 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,680 piece and then the four foot. If I go slow in it, it's clunky. 411 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,320 So it's like I got to keep my pace up and it's like reminding 412 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,360 me when I'm slowing down. So I love the aggressiveness of 413 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:33,520 this shoe and it's really poppy and just really bounces back. 414 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,600 So I really like the cloud boom strike for the faster stuff for 415 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,240 me. So 10K and below down to five Ki 416 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,960 would run in this shoe. But for the 10K for sure I would 417 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,480 take take this shoe out and it's pretty fun. 418 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,040 It's just a fun shoe to run in. So that's, that's my pick, All 419 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,360 right. Should we announce our Should we 420 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:54,520 announce our number 2? #2 Yep. 421 00:21:54,920 --> 00:22:02,520 All right, 321 marathon so we flipped so now I'm marathon 422 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,960 you're in the shorter distance stuff. 423 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,800 I'll go first. I've done a couple marathons 424 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,840 now. I, I, I run it for completion 425 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,680 with a little bit of improvement. 426 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,680 You know, like I ran my first one, it was like a 354 cramped 427 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:24,040 from mile 17 to the end. And then I ran my most recent 428 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:29,080 one in like 329. So I just broke that like 3 1/2 429 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,200 hour barrier. I and I would love to qualify 430 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,080 for Boston. So when I think about the 431 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,440 marathon, what excites me about it is the potential for me to 432 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,960 compete for something that's not easy for me to get to. 433 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,320 And I just love sports that I can fail at. 434 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,640 And so like the marathon, I can fail at regularly. 435 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,240 And I have something I think attainable to like work towards 436 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,680 in the Boston qualifying, although now with all of the 437 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,200 like advancements in the times, it's getting further away from 438 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,640 what I think is possible for myself. 439 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,200 But I would love to try at least like I think it's it's worth 440 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,440 trying for. When does this time go up a 441 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,920 bracket? 4040 yeah. 442 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,760 So I got some time. For some reason I was like. 443 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,800 So I got lots of time. I got lots of time to train. 444 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,160 The reason that the marathon is not like #1 is because the 445 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,120 training is so demanding. It's a lot of work and like in 446 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:24,720 the phase that I'm at with kids who are at 5:00 and 7:00, 447 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,080 they're about to be 6 and eight, Their birthdays are in like 2 448 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,040 weeks. Henry and David actually share a 449 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,840 birthday. You know, it's one of those 450 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,600 where, I don't know, it's hard to dedicate that amount of time 451 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,040 at this phase because I'd rather hang out with them and just not 452 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,840 be wiped the rest of the day. So in that vein, because I would 453 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,280 be completing a marathon for completion and not like top tier 454 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,840 racing, my shoes kind of aligned with that. 455 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,720 And I have two and I have to give my number one spot to the 456 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,080 Super Blast too. And that's because I just kind 457 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,800 of casually ran or half marathon and this was the shoe that I 458 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,280 picked. So I feel like if I pick 459 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,960 something else, it would be just for the sake of picking 460 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,000 something else. This one's just been faithful 461 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,600 for like lightweight feels a little bit responsive, 462 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,040 consistent, pretty stable for a neutral shoe. 463 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,800 I don't like stability shoes, but just the wider base and the 464 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,000 slightly firmer foam, but it's got enough pop. 465 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,680 The other shoe that I would actually consider is SC Trainer 466 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,000 version three. I've loved training miles in 467 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,200 this shoe. Pretty similar to what we have 468 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,480 in the Super Blast in terms of the width at the bottom. 469 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,320 There's a little bit of pop in it. 470 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,760 It's just a little bit softer. So I'd have to make sure that I 471 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,800 like that soft feel for those longer miles. 472 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,480 The longest I've taken this high is like 12 and so I'd love to 473 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,320 get like an 18 Miller in this before I really try to take it 474 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,880 the distance. But SC Trainer version 3 would 475 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,600 be my other potential shoe option. 476 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,040 What about you for 5K? Why that one? 477 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,480 Yeah, I think 5K is, again, when you're in shape for it and they 478 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,320 go well, they can be a lot of fun. 479 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,280 It, it's weird, I almost feel like they're so in the new Mario 480 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,680 Kart because we have to have some kind of a Nintendo 481 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,760 parallel, but I feel like it parallels to the 5K really well. 482 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,400 And there's this new racing style called the Knockout Tour. 483 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,800 And so it's basically like a long cross country race. 484 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,640 The way the new Mario Kart's set up, it's called Mario Kart 485 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,320 World. There's like a full world and 486 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,440 then the maps are all embedded in said world. 487 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,600 And so when you're doing a knockout tour, it's like you're 488 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,640 going across four or five different courses across the 489 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,040 map, if that makes sense. And along the way there's 490 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,560 checkpoints and whenever. You get to those. 491 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,760 Checkpoints they cut off. There's 24 people at the start 492 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,000 of each race and they cut four people off at each checkpoint. 493 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,440 And so when you get to the end, if you make it to the end, you 494 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,640 know there's only four people digging it out for the podium. 495 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:53,800 That's a 5K. That's it. 496 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,680 Yeah, I'm, I'm literally now 5K. And so it's like everyone starts 497 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,880 together, it's a massive group, everyone's bumping and rushing 498 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,880 like and it's just madness for like 4 laps. 499 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,600 Everyone feels good. And so much of it is just 500 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,400 staying in it and staying alive. And there's kind of like this 501 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,760 little carrot hanging in front of you the whole time because 502 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,560 everyone is in track. 5K is, if you're seated well, like almost 503 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,240 everyone has the same PR, you know, we're talking like less 504 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,440 than a 10 second span. So you're looking at a bunch of 505 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,280 people that are all just as capable as you. 506 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,680 And so it's like you're just like, stay alive, stay alive, 507 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,360 stay engaged, stay in it, stay in it. 508 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:31,800 OK, Someone's making a move. OK? 509 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,080 Like you just kind of just keep covering, keep covering, keep 510 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,720 covering. And then eventually you find 511 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,360 yourself and you're in that final four and you're like, oh 512 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,480 crap, I can win this thing. And then it's like, and then you 513 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,040 send it and maybe you win, maybe you don't. 514 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,720 But like when I won oxy a few years ago, like that's how that 515 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,320 went. Like it felt like it like it 516 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,520 felt exactly like that. Just like, OK, I'm here, let's 517 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,360 make sure I'm there. OK, I can see that happening. 518 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:55,640 Let's make sure I'm there. OK? 519 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,440 Like it felt like there was checkpoints along the way and 520 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,440 and then you just close like a madman with whatever you got and 521 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,040 just hope it's enough. Yeah. 522 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,320 And that's cool, thankfully. But that's awesome. 523 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,520 Like that's, I think it's an exhilarating race when it goes 524 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,120 well. But again, a lot goes into it. 525 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,400 A lot can go wrong. And I think it's fun, but at the 526 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,480 same time, it's not, it's it's exhilarating when you're in it 527 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,440 and you're not dead after 8 laps and it's 12 1/2 laps. 528 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,120 It's like you had to like, I don't know, it's again, a lot of 529 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,360 things have to go, right. It's not it's not my chosen 530 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,920 distance, if I could choose any distance, I think. 531 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,040 But I do like it. I think it's a lot of fun. 532 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,520 Although my PR is in the dragonfly. 533 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,600 I think as of right now, I probably would choose the A6 534 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,360 Metaspeed Tokyo. I don't know if I can. 535 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,200 Yeah, Metaspeed Edge Tokyo. Yeah, that's a good 536 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,080 clarification. I've been told I can't say boy 537 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:06,360 on air. So I'm an edge individual and 538 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,000 yeah, I think it'd be fun. I like, I like that shoe. 539 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,040 I don't know if I could tolerate the spikes anymore for 5K, even 540 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,880 like that season a few years ago. 541 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,280 I just I don't train in spikes very often. 542 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,800 Yeah, it's a whole different game. 543 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,280 Unless I was doing it really frequently, there's no reason. 544 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,840 Like I'm not so old I can't run in spikes. 545 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,800 There's plenty of pro track athletes my age running in 546 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,520 spikes all the time. It's it's not an age thing. 547 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,440 I think I just don't use them enough and they just beat the 548 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,600 crap out of my legs. And I, unless I'm really 549 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,880 practicing with it, I just don't know if I'd opt for spikes 550 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,160 anymore. Maybe for any distance question 551 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,120 mark, you know. Like. 800 I'd spike up for sure. 552 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,960 I you're not going to be in flats in an 800, but even if I 553 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,440 ran it today, even a mile, I think I'd still spike up. 554 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,280 But I I think that's probably where the three Ki might go. 555 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,840 Flats. I think it's where, yeah, that's 556 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,440 probably where I draw the. Line as you're talking about the 557 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,200 five Ki? Feel like I have to go back to 558 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,720 my 10K discussion and just give a shout out. 559 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,520 I know I said 10K but really it's 5 Millers and 10 KS because 560 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,840 in our area the one of the most common race distances is 5 561 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,360 miles. That's the the Bach runs in the 562 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,440 spring. That's point. 563 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,200 It's not a real place. The Bach run is in the spring. 564 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,360 I really want everyone to come out here and run that together 565 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,800 sometime. It's so fun. 566 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,880 It's from our local brewery. It's an out and back. 567 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,240 It's like 25 bucks still to run it. 568 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,800 Like it's just they do something you get like drinks afterwards. 569 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,760 It's an awesome community event. So Bach runs 5 miles, our our 570 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,360 Turkey Trot is 5 miles and then the River run, which is out at 571 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,720 the another local brewery out in Amherst. 572 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,280 Yes, I live in Wisconsin, lots of brewery centric events. 573 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,360 I'm sure that's everywhere but Wisconsin culture anyway. 574 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,120 And that's another five mile race. 575 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,720 So a lot of the big races are 5 miles and not ten KS. 576 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,440 So I have more opportunities to run 5 miles than I do 10 KS, but 577 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,920 I would put them in the same category. 578 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,840 So all right, let's move on to our number one, our favorite 579 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:22,320 racing distance, 321 half marathon. 580 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,360 All right, so unlike you, I'd split half marathon and marathon 581 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,400 from each other because my training and racing experience 582 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,560 just feels totally different between those two distances. 583 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,080 I feel like when I'm in shape, I can take super shoes and I have 584 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,520 the half marathon distance and feel really confident there. 585 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,640 Like I've ran A20K, so it was a 20K. 586 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,720 It wasn't a full half marathon, but I ran that in the Vaporfly 3 587 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,800 and I've taken it was the Endorphin Pro 2. 588 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,400 So like there's been lots of shoes that I've taken the half 589 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,680 half marathon distance right now. 590 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,560 I've gotten a little bit more mileage on some of the racing 591 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,960 shoes from this year. And the one that I would 592 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,800 actually probably pick for 1/2 marathon is the Rocket X3 from 593 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560 Hoka. I could not do the rocket X2 594 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,240 because it felt like a negative drop. 595 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,600 You know, I, I fell into the heel too much and got couldn't 596 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,160 get up on the toe. They did increase the drop like 597 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,000 they did in the Clifton for, for this shoe and they have kind of 598 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,480 a dual density situation going on. 599 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,880 So you've got a little bit more firmness in the heel and then 600 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,600 that softer Peeba foam in the 4 foot and I can just it just 601 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,040 feels a lot more natural and Roy mildly aggressive, but you can 602 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,480 like push in it. But as I got tired, you can kind 603 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,240 of like keep hanging out in the shoe without having too many 604 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,000 problems. So it fits me really well in 605 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,120 terms of my style of running. And you know, if I'm going to be 606 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,720 racing 1/2 marathon, I'm probably running like a, if I'm 607 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,640 in shape, my pace is going to be like 6:30 to 6:45. 608 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,640 So that'll be like the zone I'm living in. 609 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,440 And a shoe like this is perfect where it's not too aggressive, 610 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,400 but it's really streamlined. I do like that it's kind of 611 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,400 centered through here and you got the cut out. 612 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,640 So this is this is probably the shoe I would pick right now if I 613 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,840 if I was going to be in shape and racing 1/2 marathon. 614 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,560 And I just like that half marathons feel long, but it's 615 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,320 literally half the distance of a marathon. 616 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,000 And I, and I like that because it just makes the training 617 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,480 feasible and the race way more enjoyable. 618 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,280 Like I've, I've put in everything I could out there for 619 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,440 1/2 marathon and felt fine. You know, not like immediately 620 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,800 after maybe, but even 10 minutes after like felt pretty good. 621 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,800 Whereas like every time I've ran a marathon, I'm just trashed for 622 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,160 a week or two. So all right, but you said 1500. 623 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,280 That's your. Yeah, that's your top. 624 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,560 It's fun. Fifteens are fun man. 625 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,760 Assuming I'm in shape for it, same thing. 626 00:32:54,760 --> 00:33:01,080 It's it's absolute mayhem and in the best way and I think a high 627 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,000 quality 1500. If anyone was watching the US 628 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,280 championships, the men's 1500 final was yesterday. 629 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,160 That was some darn good racing. If you haven't watched that, go 630 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,600 watch that race. I don't want to spoil any. 631 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,040 Well, I mean, I probably could spoil it because by the time 632 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,760 this airs it'll be well past but. 633 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,480 Couple weeks, yeah. I you probably didn't watch it 634 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,160 based on your reaction. Don't tell me. 635 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:33,080 I'm, I'm not going to tell you amazing, amazing racing and it's 636 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,000 madness. It's just madness every year. 637 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,440 It is, it always is. It's one of the best races to 638 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,400 watch period. You know, across any sport 639 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,280 event, whatever, three and three quarter laps and they are going 640 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,920 from the gun, right? Like and so it's like you're 641 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,520 just shy of that. I don't know how to describe it. 642 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,280 It's like 800, you're just shy of the red line. 643 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,440 But the 1500, it's like you're just shy of that. 644 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,320 It's like you're kind of like just stringing out that 645 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,400 anaerobic capacity as much as you can while still having an 646 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,480 aerobic element. And it's just a lot of fun. 647 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,360 You always have crazy last laps, a bunch of people that are in it 648 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,960 and there's always some crazy drama. 649 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,639 And that's how it is at all levels, no matter how good you 650 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:18,120 are. Like I was never like crazy 651 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,040 fast, but like I, I, I, I don't know, I didn't, I didn't have 652 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,880 great top speed either. So like I just was never going 653 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,120 to excel at the 800. Like it just wasn't going to 654 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,679 happen. And I kind of got more speed as 655 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:38,080 I got older. But if I could close a 1500 in 656 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,440 like 59 or 60, I could win that race, you know, if I'm if long 657 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,520 as I'm in contact. And so like it was a fun race. 658 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,480 It was a lot of chess match positioning while you're moving 659 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,440 really fast. You know, there's a lot of like 660 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,920 moves you don't realize are happening unless you're in it or 661 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,680 you know about it. And yeah, then you hit the bell 662 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,960 and it's just lights out. So, and it's over in less than 4 663 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,000 minutes, you know, so it's like, yeah, it's just like boom, boom, 664 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,680 done. Like so it's a lot of fun. 665 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,680 I think my PR is in like the OG Adidas Avanti. 666 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,680 I mean, I have around a 1500 in a minute, man. 667 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,000 Like, but we're not talking the one. 668 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,120 Can I even reach it? Oh, baby, I got it. 669 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,040 Long arms, baby. That was that was top shelf. 670 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,720 Oh, I'm, I'm recording on the floor right now. 671 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:36,360 Yeah, yeah, not these. When we say Adidas Savanti, I 672 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,720 think a lot of people now think of this model with the Light 673 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,200 Strike Pro. There used to be just a very 674 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,520 thin little Eva one with these giant little rod things coming 675 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,000 out and it's like wiry plate across the whole thing. 676 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,360 Anyways, that was the original Adidas Savanti track spikes back 677 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,920 then and that's where my PR is in. 678 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,680 I don't think I choose to run in that now, but if I had to choose 679 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,040 now, I would choose between two different shoes and want to be 680 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,960 the Dragonfly. I think you see it on so many 681 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,720 people's feet for a reason. It's it's really responsive. 682 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,120 It's solid. Like this is the original. 683 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,320 I know they have Dragonfly 2 now. 684 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,680 I haven't tried it, but it's pretty solid. 685 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,960 It's it's like 4 1/2 oz. It's it grips really well and it 686 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,960 turns. I don't feel unstable. 687 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,400 It was a little softer than I was used to for spikes because I 688 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,080 was so used to the older spikes and that was kind of the first 689 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,440 like newer generation kind of spike I got. 690 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,920 And I my first time using it, I didn't love it. 691 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,960 But I also changed the spikes from quarter length to three 692 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,680 sixteenths, which is what I used to always do. 693 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,160 I always liked smaller spikes, but when the now that the phone 694 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,680 is softer, I can take the quarters and then once I 695 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,520 switched it back to quarters, then it was fine. 696 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,560 The other one is the Brooks Hyperion Elite. 697 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,560 LDI didn't actually know the full name. 698 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,080 These are nice. These are really nice. 699 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,600 They're lightweight, they're stable on foot. 700 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,320 They like they plant really well off the forefoot, and I feel 701 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,800 like you can really dig off the turn. 702 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,600 So yeah, I'd go between one of those two. 703 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,320 Between the Nike victory Shoot, I'm fumbling words. 704 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,840 Not the victory Nike Track and Fly or the Brooks, apparently. 705 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,440 LD, which is funny because that's the LD not the MD. 706 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,920 But I prefer long distance spikes. 707 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,560 I've never really loved super aggressive spike designs. 708 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,840 Another reason why I would wear 3 sixteenths instead of 709 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,040 quarters. I don't know how familiar you 710 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,880 are with track spike sizes, but none. 3 sixteenths are just a 711 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,720 little bit smaller. Like they're talking of inches 712 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,440 quarter. Of an inch. 713 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,600 Yeah, that's what I figured. It just makes just a little bit 714 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,600 more mild. Sometimes those taller spikes 715 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,960 make you feel like you're kind of. 716 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,240 Tilted back. Yeah, and it's meant to help get 717 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,040 you upwards and get good traction and be aggressive on 718 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,520 your forefoot. But I've I tend to like less 719 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,720 aggressive designs and spikes just 'cause I'm not the most 720 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:03,600 aggressive on the forefoot. Right. 721 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,560 But yeah, that's what I would choose. 722 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,880 That's great. Go watch that 1500 final from 723 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,400 yesterday and then let me know what you think 'cause that was 724 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,680 crazy. Speaking of which, they will be 725 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,720 rolling pretty soon, I think, for Sunday's session. 726 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,520 I was going to, I was going to ask because we're going to also 727 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,320 just kind of ask this question. It might be what you've already 728 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,800 talked about, which case you don't have to dive into it, but 729 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,360 what's your favorite type of event to watch? 730 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,320 Yeah, I think that's a good question. 731 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,200 It's hard. I'm I like track, you know, I 732 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,760 think I just have fun watching all the distances. 733 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,360 If I, if I really had to choose, I think I would go 1500, but the 734 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,800 800 is a close 1. I think watching really, really 735 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,440 good runners, especially right now, I feel like we're kind of 736 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,360 getting a golden era of the 800 again. 737 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,760 And I haven't seen, I'm having so much fun watching that race 738 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:04,600 because I feel like the last 10 years we have not had good 800 739 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,480 running. I mean that in the most 740 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,920 respectful way possible, but David Rudisha really changed the 741 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,880 scope of the 800 meters by running 140 and that race was 742 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,720 crazy, do you think? Are you saying not good? 743 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,400 National Records. I mean, not good between men's 744 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,280 and women's or, or just men's, women's, yeah, women's been, I 745 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,320 was going to say women's I feel like has been as good as it's 746 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,920 ever been in the last like 4-5 years. 747 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,320 Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. 748 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,880 No, it's been good. But the on the men's side, like 749 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,520 there was like what, 5 national records that day in London? 750 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,160 And then like Nick Simmons and Dwayne Solomon, like they ran 751 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,040 142. Like no one talks about that. 752 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:54,000 Like, and I, and then for the next 8-9 years, it took 143 to 753 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,160 like win, you know what I mean? Like, like it just was not as 754 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,560 good for a while and now we're seeing guys really going after 755 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,040 it and running 140 ones again. You know, Bryce Hopper ran 141 756 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,240 and didn't meddle, right? Like that's crazy. 757 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,000 Or was it 142 high or low? I mean 142 low 141 high. 758 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,480 I don't remember he got 4th but. Weird, everyone's getting 759 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,280 better. Everyone's getting fast again, 760 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:21,600 so but 15108 hundred. Always love just watching Sidney 761 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,400 McLaughlin run. I think 400 hurdles, 400, 762 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,560 whatever she's doing, she's fun. Shelly Ann Fraser Price in the 763 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:34,640 100 or 200. Sharika Jackson 200, men's 200. 764 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,080 I like men's 200 a lot. I think the hundred, they just 765 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,600 go so quick and like, I don't always know who won. 766 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,360 It's like if it's not Usain Bolt running, I don't know if I'm 767 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,360 really watching the 100 as much. But the 200, there's just enough 768 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,000 development in it where you're like, holy crap, look at that 769 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,440 go. Isn't that a Jerry Seinfeld 770 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,040 comedy sketch where he's like first place, second place, never 771 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,560 heard of him, Where he kind of like slowly moves his head back? 772 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,320 Oh, probably. Anyway, I wasn't a big Seinfeld 773 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,520 guy. Me neither that, but I feel like 774 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,920 I've just seen that sketch somewhere. 775 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,440 Yeah. But yeah, I mean, honestly all 776 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,880 the events, but either the shorter Sprint events, 4x4 777 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,160 hundreds fun to watch to the relay. 778 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,760 That's that's a lot of fun. But I probably go 15-8 and then 779 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,000 men's and women's 200. Cool. 780 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,680 Yeah, my top is probably the 1500. 781 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,360 Just you, the way you described it is awesome because what I 782 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,840 want in a race is I want to not know who's going to win. 783 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,840 And I think in a lot of like certain distance races, they 784 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,120 separate enough, like you said, over the 5K where by the end you 785 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,360 know it's going to be 1. There might be a clear winner. 786 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,200 And then it's a battle for 3rd with the 1500. 787 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,480 Like as we've seen recently, and I didn't watch yesterday's, but 788 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,920 like any of the top eight guys could win or women could win in 789 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,960 that last lap and you just don't know what's going to happen. 790 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,920 And that's what's super exciting about it for me. 791 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,840 The 800 is a close second on the track for some of the same 792 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,200 reasons, but I think in the same way more people blow up in the 793 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,000 800, so somebody usually separates themselves. 794 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,160 So it's not like the finish line excitement, it's like what 795 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,480 happens in lap 2 excitement. However, that's not even my #2 796 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,880 my number 2 is basically like documentaries about ultra 797 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,240 running. I love ultra you're. 798 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,080 Meant to be an ultra guy I. Know have you? 799 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,520 Got my body like deep like black hole of ultra documentaries like 800 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,240 I. Don't think as much as I could, 801 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,880 but I've seen a a a number of them. 802 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,920 And yeah. You just see the grit, you know, 803 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,640 like you don't get to watching an ultra isn't they haven't 804 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,880 figured out how to like broadcast that in a really 805 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,600 exciting way yet. But the documentaries showing 806 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,760 like what's going on mentally at these different moments. 807 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,160 Like I just remember watching, you know, the race that eats 808 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,200 they're young about the Barclays Marathon for the first time, 809 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,920 like, I don't know, seven years ago or something. 810 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,480 And it just like. Explaining the Barclay to 811 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,720 someone the other day, that rate, that's just not real. 812 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,720 Yeah, I don't know what that is. That's crazy. 813 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:08,120 Stuff like that. Just it's so exhilarating for 814 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,760 me. So it's not actually watching 815 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,400 the race, but documentaries on it. 816 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,760 OK, I have one more question for you and then we're going to move 817 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,760 into the mailbag. So this question is actually 818 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,120 stemming from a conversation that we had with Joanna when he 819 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,880 came on our podcast. If you all don't know who he is, 820 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,680 he does Sup well. He does a lot of shoe reviews 821 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,200 and kind of content creation on a daily basis right now. 822 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,480 But I think there's a daily vlog. 823 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,120 And one of the things that he brought up on that podcast is he 824 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:42,040 hates the term super trainer and kind of questions the idea of do 825 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,840 super trainers really exist or are we giving a label to 826 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,360 something? So what's your perspective on if 827 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,960 super trainers are a thing? What defines a super trainer? 828 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,120 And if they aren't, why not? I mean, low key, I'm kind of 829 00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:01,400 with him because it's like the Super trainer is just taking a 830 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,400 nice foam and putting it in a high stack option and having a 831 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,280 Max stack trainer. So it's a it's a it's a plush 832 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,520 trainer is what it is. And you're able to get it more 833 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,880 lightweight by having nicer materials in there. 834 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,280 I think at 1st and and I think we're in a weird era right now 835 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,920 because everything's leveling out where when the first like 836 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,360 quote UN quote super trainers were kind of rolling out, you 837 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,760 had like the prime X, you had like different things that they 838 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,200 were just so out there, but they were meant to be fast, right? 839 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,200 Like it was like this illegal but fast. 840 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,760 Now it's illegal but cozy, right? 841 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,960 And I think how comfortable can we make this while still having 842 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,240 it be lightweight plush, you know, and give you a little bit 843 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:49,440 of life that the other phones didn't have? 844 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,000 It's not so much like how responsive can we get it, right? 845 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,320 And like, it's like what we were talking about the other day with 846 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,000 Klein on the podcast with the Vomero, where I was like, well, 847 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,120 the goal of the Vomero is to never really be a fast shoe. 848 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,040 It's meant to be a plush shoe, right? 849 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,280 Like so expecting the vomero plus to be fast is kind of 850 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,720 asking it to not be what it's for. 851 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:19,240 And so I, I don't, I don't mind the nomenclature in the way of 852 00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:25,760 classifying a shoe that has nicer materials in it, But I 853 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,880 think using the word super meaning faster is not what 854 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,760 should be the implication here. Super being that they're using, 855 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,360 you know, power run PB, they're using Zoom X, they're using 856 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,080 Nitro elites, you know, like using their nicer materials for 857 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:49,040 a trading shoe versus, you know, like super shoe. 858 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,960 It's intended that this is a racing shoe that's super. 859 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,360 So maybe, I don't know, maybe we just got to change the name on 860 00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:01,840 that or what, but because super does make it sound fast, but I I 861 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,120 think I'm fine with it. What what was the question 862 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,800 though, Like the original question there. 863 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,960 I feel like I went on a tangent. No, that's it's a, it's not 864 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,760 really a direct question. It's kind of like, is super shoe 865 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,640 a thing? If it is, what makes it a super 866 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,760 shoe? If it's not, why? 867 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,840 Not I think I think so, yeah, I think I think it because there's 868 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,640 still high stack shoes that are just basic Eva, right? 869 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,600 Like right. There is a differentiation 870 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640 between like no, this is like a nicer option. 871 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,920 I just think the word super maybe could be reworked or just 872 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,520 people be OK with it. Being that OK just means nicer 873 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,320 materials doesn't necessarily mean you're going to run faster. 874 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,280 Yeah. Or that the goal of this is to 875 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,040 go faster, because in most of these shoes, that's just not the 876 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,160 case anymore. Right. 877 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,080 And I kind of I like that take. I think my my biggest beef with 878 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:54,960 the phrase super shoe is that it can be really leveraged as a 879 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,840 marketing tool for companies, even though there may be nothing 880 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,440 proven about this shoe to be super in any particular way. 881 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,560 Whereas when we talk about super shoes from a an advanced 882 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,000 technology, what did they call it? 883 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,160 Advanced footwear technology? That's what they call it in like 884 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,080 the literature when they're studying these things. 885 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,680 Yep. So like you've advanced footwear 886 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,640 technology, those super shoes have studies that show that this 887 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,360 cocktail of foam plus geometry foot plus stiffening agent plus 888 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,480 weight equals improved running economy and that makes it feel 889 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,320 very apartment to call it a super shoe because it's doing 890 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,320 something different than a normal shoe. 891 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,800 The this idea of things getting classified in the Super trainer 892 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,920 can get really muddy because I don't know for sure, but I can 893 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,320 almost guarantee that there's minimal testing beyond like 894 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,320 anecdotal ones within companies of small sample sizes that show 895 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,760 that a certain super trainer like Super Blast or SC trainer 896 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,600 version three, like does anything to change running 897 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,440 economy at certain paces. There's some of little things 898 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,080 out there and if people know of other things, please drop it in 899 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,120 the chat or something. But I think that's where it goes 900 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,640 off the rails for me of calling things super trainers because of 901 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,160 how we have the term super shoe established for something pretty 902 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,600 specific. So I, I don't know what the 903 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,880 alternative is, but I my fear is that it gets utilized just as a 904 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,600 marketing ploy. And then they that you can Jack 905 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,320 up the price on something that's called it. 906 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,800 Yeah, it's just what it's used for because. 907 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,120 You see, like the Vomero Premium is now going to say not race 908 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,280 legal or something like that. Yeah, exactly. 909 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,880 Yeah. So I don't know. 910 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:41,200 It's it's I, I don't love the term super trainer either. 911 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,720 I think it's also until there's something better, people kind of 912 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,480 know what you're referencing right now. 913 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,520 And that's another part of communication is like people 914 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,320 know what a word, if they know what you mean by a certain word, 915 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,160 then it's like, who cares if it's accurate or not? 916 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,320 Like I have patients who call strengthening exercises 917 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,280 stretches all the time, but I'm never going to tell them that's 918 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,160 not a stretch. Like a stretch is where you 919 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,800 create link lengthening of a muscle and you hold it for an 920 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,600 extent. Like, I'm not, who cares if they 921 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,040 call it a stretch? Yeah, the Rotator Cup. 922 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,760 And then I'll say cuff. And they'll be like, oh, it's 923 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,120 like a cuff like a thing that like. 924 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,120 Yeah, but like I'll. Never tell them that they'll 925 00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,360 just put it together on their own one time when I'm talking to 926 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,120 someone or something like. I get Rotary cuff a lot, the 927 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,280 Rotary cuff and so and they think it's like one thing and 928 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,360 not a group of muscles. So it's super fun. 929 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,640 So there's times where you talk about it, but like, like I said, 930 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,920 if somebody thinks something's a stretch, that's a strengthening 931 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,920 exercise, but they're doing it. I don't care what they call it. 932 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,040 So, yeah, communication's funny. All right, now for our last 933 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,200 thing. We're going to move forward. 934 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,600 We just want to dip into the mailbag for one question. 935 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,680 This is from Sarah on Instagram. She says this. 936 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,840 I found my groove as someone who needs stable, neutral shoes for 937 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,000 pronation support. And they said they have a 938 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,280 history of posterior tibialis tendinopathy. 939 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,120 That's a tendon on the inside of your ankle. 940 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,080 The Topo Ultrafly 5 and the On Cloud runner 2 have been great 941 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,320 to me, but I'd like to add a more exciting shoe into the 942 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,840 rotation. Thinking faster efforts, just a 943 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,520 little more responsiveness from the shoe. 944 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,640 Any advice? What kind of comes into your 945 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,880 head for that? Yeah, wait, what were the what 946 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,880 were the shoes again? So the Topo Ultrafly 5 and the 947 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,240 on Cloud Runner 2. Oh, yeah, OK. 948 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,280 Yeah, definitely more stable shoes that don't have a lot of 949 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,040 pop. Yeah, I would think something a 950 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,520 little bit wider has a little bit more pop to it. 951 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:42,160 Yeah. Why am I blanking on this? 952 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,360 Well, there is if it's still going because Max 3 is coming 953 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,760 out. Hyperion Max 2. 954 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:49,960 I do like that. Yeah. 955 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,040 I think the Max two runs more stable than the Max 3. 956 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,960 Yeah, the Max 3 is a whole new shoe. 957 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,160 Max 2 is just different. If you can get your hands on a 958 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,280 Max too. You brought up the SE trainer 959 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,400 earlier. Like that's another solid 1 960 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,240 wider base, newer phone. Just nice shoe. 961 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:14,920 Trying to think I'm looking at the wall here, but or even like 962 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,400 like a even a Nova blast too or super blast like kind of wider 963 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,040 base, you know, with the Ridge still poppy, but not super super 964 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,200 fast. The other one that came into my 965 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:36,080 head is the DV8 Nitro 3 from Puma that that shoe has a little 966 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,160 bit wider. It's not as wide as some of the 967 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,880 other shoes, but the foam, it kind of uses that foam that just 968 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,440 feels a little bit more grounded. 969 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,120 I didn't have a lot of wobble back and forth. 970 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,320 That one has a nice transition forward and the kind of the 971 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,240 rocker kind of gives you that forward movement so there's less 972 00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:56,920 lateral. So I'd say I threw that one in 973 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,200 there. Like you said, SC Trainer 974 00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,960 version three could be an option for sure. 975 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:05,880 Super Blast could be an option. Ultra vanish carbon I feel like 976 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,720 is not a bad option. Either, sure, although because 977 00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:12,920 of the zero drop that could be tough on the tip post, Yeah, I 978 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,480 think that could for this person in particular, I think that sort 979 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,640 of stability could be a little. Bit of a lot though, but yeah, 980 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,920 that was just another random when I was thinking. 981 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,200 Right. There's some level where you 982 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,520 know if you need a decent amount of structure, and the ones that 983 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,320 she mentioned are a little bit more structured than even some 984 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,920 of the more pure like stable neutral like the Clifton is, is 985 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,520 like really stable neutral. Pretty pretty. 986 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,720 Stable these have some stability, so I I'm wary of 987 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:46,320 going too narrow, which is why even the deviate 3 I'd be like, 988 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,440 hey, go try it on first before having to kind of commit to it, 989 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,560 But that's great. All right, well, everybody, 990 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,520 thank you for joining us for this episode of the Doctors 991 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,520 Running podcast. If you have other questions that 992 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,360 you want to ask us, you can reach out to us at 993 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,280 doctorsrunning@gmail.com. We can add it to hopefully a 994 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,000 future mailbag episode and we'll continue conversations about 995 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,280 shoes, running injuries and the like. 996 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,560 And we'll talk to you all next time.