1 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,835 Hey everyone and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast where 2 00:00:11,835 --> 00:00:14,420 we, a group of doctors of physical therapy, talk about the 3 00:00:14,420 --> 00:00:17,020 art and the science of the things that we put on our feet. 4 00:00:17,459 --> 00:00:20,594 Today it is Dr. Salas and myself, Matt, on the podcast 5 00:00:20,594 --> 00:00:23,435 together, which means we're going to be improvising quite a 6 00:00:23,435 --> 00:00:24,948 bit. We obviously have our 7 00:00:24,948 --> 00:00:28,207 in-for-testing section, but we had a plan and we're going to 8 00:00:28,207 --> 00:00:31,389 see where it goes because we like to improvise and usually it 9 00:00:31,389 --> 00:00:33,700 works out. So we're going to start with our 10 00:00:34,119 --> 00:00:36,543 in-for-testing, which is sponsored by Skratch Labs, which 11 00:00:36,543 --> 00:00:38,959 has been really great. Code for that is 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,999 DOCTORSOFRUNNING for a big 10% off your first order, correct? 13 00:00:42,999 --> 00:00:44,533 I believe so. Sweet. 14 00:00:44,533 --> 00:00:47,118 All right, so let's get right into this. 15 00:00:47,118 --> 00:00:49,456 We actually have some really exciting stuff shoe-wise. 16 00:00:49,456 --> 00:00:52,747 So David, why don't you start us off with what you've got for 17 00:00:52,747 --> 00:00:54,579 in-for-testing? Yeah, so I've got a few things 18 00:00:54,599 --> 00:00:57,236 over here. I guess I'll start off with what 19 00:00:57,236 --> 00:01:01,072 will be written very shortly. It may or may not be released by 20 00:01:01,072 --> 00:01:04,515 the time that this podcast releases, I'm not sure, um, as 21 00:01:04,515 --> 00:01:08,196 far as the written version goes, but this is the ASICS Sonicblast 22 00:01:08,196 --> 00:01:11,784 2, and I did do a video. That video will most certainly 23 00:01:11,784 --> 00:01:15,439 be out by the time this releases, I'm sure, uh, 24 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:19,789 comparing the ASICS Sonicblast 2 and the New Balance SC Rebel 25 00:01:19,789 --> 00:01:23,199 version 1 and the ASICS Megablast, because I feel like 26 00:01:23,199 --> 00:01:25,739 there's a lot of carryover between the three, but they're 27 00:01:25,860 --> 00:01:29,530 all distinctly different shoes, and so I wanted to tease it out 28 00:01:29,530 --> 00:01:32,640 and, like, really explain who they might work for in that 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,260 video. I won't do that now because 30 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:37,412 we're on the podcast, but as far as the in-for-testing goes, the 31 00:01:37,412 --> 00:01:40,645 Sonicblast is a super trainer. It's basically like what they've 32 00:01:40,645 --> 00:01:45,029 tried to do as, like, a spicy Novablast, if that makes sense. 33 00:01:45,029 --> 00:01:50,559 And so a lot of that DNA is in there, but it is different. 34 00:01:50,580 --> 00:01:54,767 It is plated, and the geometry is so much better than the first 35 00:01:54,767 --> 00:01:56,055 version. Night and day. 36 00:01:56,055 --> 00:02:00,020 I mean, now this is runnable. I think it actually can justify 37 00:02:00,020 --> 00:02:03,360 a $190 purchase for someone if it works for them. 38 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,320 Uh, but yeah, so it's a dual-density midsole. 39 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,705 You're looking at a FlightFoam Turbo Squared on the top layer. 40 00:02:10,705 --> 00:02:14,543 That's an ATPU-based midsole. It's a little bit firmer as far 41 00:02:14,543 --> 00:02:18,269 as ATPU foams go, but it is highly resilient and does give 42 00:02:18,269 --> 00:02:20,978 you a bounce. They have a forefoot pod, very 43 00:02:20,978 --> 00:02:24,286 like how they do that forefoot trampoline pod ASICS does, um. 44 00:02:24,286 --> 00:02:27,390 That's still, that's still in here, and they have a little 45 00:02:27,390 --> 00:02:30,330 chunk, like, of that Turbo Squared in there to give you a 46 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:32,635 little bit more of a bouncy forefoot sensation. 47 00:02:32,635 --> 00:02:36,211 They have a forked plate, like, it's an astro plate is what 48 00:02:36,211 --> 00:02:38,615 they're calling it. It's the Pebax plate that runs 49 00:02:38,615 --> 00:02:40,490 through there. If it sounds like I'm just 50 00:02:40,490 --> 00:02:42,731 rattling off specs, because I literally have this stuff 51 00:02:42,731 --> 00:02:45,613 memorized at this point, um. But the big updates, you know, 52 00:02:45,613 --> 00:02:47,995 they updated the upper a little bit, um. 53 00:02:47,995 --> 00:02:51,409 But their heel, the heel wasn't very rounded in the first 54 00:02:51,409 --> 00:02:53,951 version. It is rounded now, and it's so 55 00:02:53,951 --> 00:02:55,897 much better. It is so much better. 56 00:02:55,897 --> 00:02:58,399 It is runnable. Like, the first version I was 57 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:01,731 like, the midfoot forward's great, it's so lively, but, 58 00:03:01,731 --> 00:03:04,602 like, I am just slapping the ground, like. 59 00:03:04,602 --> 00:03:07,007 And it just was like, I, I can't do it. 60 00:03:07,007 --> 00:03:09,895 Like, it had, like, I want to love this shoe, but it's not 61 00:03:09,895 --> 00:03:12,601 there yet. And I feel like Sonicblast 2 62 00:03:12,601 --> 00:03:15,942 still has a couple of things it could probably work out but for 63 00:03:15,942 --> 00:03:18,197 the most part it's so much better and they brought the 64 00:03:18,197 --> 00:03:20,887 weight down about eight and a half ounces in men's size nine 65 00:03:20,887 --> 00:03:24,588 at 46 millimeters of stack that's quite good um oh I forgot 66 00:03:24,588 --> 00:03:28,440 to mention the bottom midsole, it's Blast Max, uh, FlightFoam 67 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,276 Blast Max, so a little bit firmer, but the way this feels, 68 00:03:33,276 --> 00:03:36,464 it's like a really, like, you have a rounded heel, then you 69 00:03:36,464 --> 00:03:39,605 have a really stiff midfoot and forefoot, but the rounded heel 70 00:03:39,605 --> 00:03:43,415 offsets that some. I notice at faster paces, I can 71 00:03:43,415 --> 00:03:47,312 get onto that midfoot and forefoot like really quickly. 72 00:03:47,312 --> 00:03:50,772 And it's great. At slower paces, that thick 73 00:03:50,772 --> 00:03:54,706 shank kind of stiff feeling that I used to get in the midfoot. 74 00:03:54,706 --> 00:03:56,839 It's better than it used to be, but it's still there. 75 00:03:57,619 --> 00:04:01,652 So this is one of those things where I feel like this is an 76 00:04:01,652 --> 00:04:05,651 excellent long run workout uptempo shoe. probably not as 77 00:04:05,651 --> 00:04:09,252 good at daily miles, but if you can line the geometry up with 78 00:04:09,252 --> 00:04:12,100 your mechanics, or it just works for you, there's no reason why 79 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:14,080 it can't do it. I just think the stiffness 80 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,835 really starts to show itself there. 81 00:04:15,835 --> 00:04:19,786 And if your heel strike just doesn't line up with it, not to 82 00:04:19,786 --> 00:04:23,188 say all heel strikes won't line up with it, but if, like, where 83 00:04:23,188 --> 00:04:25,949 you land doesn't line up with it, it might feel a little 84 00:04:25,949 --> 00:04:28,406 rigid, but at faster paces it's great. 85 00:04:28,406 --> 00:04:32,258 And, um, the way the forefoot feels, sorry, I'm going on a 86 00:04:32,258 --> 00:04:36,087 long one here, um, it's like a gradual rounding to the 87 00:04:36,087 --> 00:04:40,056 forefoot, until the distal part of it just still being further 88 00:04:40,056 --> 00:04:41,792 away from you. It's like gradual until it's 89 00:04:41,792 --> 00:04:43,307 not, and then it really falls off. 90 00:04:43,307 --> 00:04:47,679 And so it's like this rounding, and then it's just this, like, 91 00:04:47,679 --> 00:04:50,040 catapulted forefoot. So, very lively ride, very 92 00:04:50,239 --> 00:04:52,741 bouncy, I, but still firm and structured. 93 00:04:52,741 --> 00:04:57,739 And I find it to be maybe the most stable super trainer on the 94 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,490 market right now. Like, I just ran 10 miles at 95 00:05:01,490 --> 00:05:05,948 6:09, well, 6:20-ish pace, um, in this shoe this morning, and 96 00:05:05,948 --> 00:05:09,432 I've done, I've done turns, I've gone up and down on hills and 97 00:05:09,432 --> 00:05:10,504 stuff. Like, it's secure. 98 00:05:10,504 --> 00:05:12,351 Like, it actually is really good. 99 00:05:12,351 --> 00:05:15,669 I think some of it is the firmer foam and the plate, but, and 100 00:05:15,669 --> 00:05:19,412 just a stiffer sole in general, but I don't know, it's, it's 101 00:05:19,412 --> 00:05:21,194 really stable on foot. Lockdown's good. 102 00:05:21,194 --> 00:05:24,070 Like, I think for those who have stability considerations and 103 00:05:24,070 --> 00:05:27,305 they want something a little bit higher up that can still move, 104 00:05:27,305 --> 00:05:30,048 this is definitely something that could be in the 105 00:05:30,048 --> 00:05:32,480 considerations. So I will, I will stop there. 106 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,610 I know. Yeah, there's a couple of 107 00:05:34,610 --> 00:05:37,140 moments where you wanted to say something, but yeah, it was 108 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:39,567 mostly just to agree with you, to be very honest. 109 00:05:39,567 --> 00:05:42,389 I, I really was so nervous because I hated the last version 110 00:05:42,389 --> 00:05:45,192 so much I couldn't even run in it, because mostly with the heel 111 00:05:45,192 --> 00:05:48,548 design, and not just the midsole but the, the upper was just like 112 00:05:48,548 --> 00:05:51,615 ripping into my Achilles tendon. It was so uncomfortable, whereas 113 00:05:51,615 --> 00:05:54,952 this design is so much better. And it's one of the first times, 114 00:05:54,952 --> 00:05:57,040 people aren't designing the uppers, like ASICS, like, you 115 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,780 guys don't know what you're doing, but like, you keep 116 00:05:58,780 --> 00:06:00,883 putting a lot of uppers that like dig into the Achilles 117 00:06:00,883 --> 00:06:03,052 tendon, where this one does not do this. 118 00:06:03,052 --> 00:06:06,311 Achilles tendon, very nice. What is this, elf heel kind of 119 00:06:06,311 --> 00:06:08,093 design? Yeah, very soft, more flexible 120 00:06:08,093 --> 00:06:11,154 heel counter up here that just sits really, it's been super 121 00:06:11,154 --> 00:06:12,533 comfortable. And I've also been lucky, my 122 00:06:12,533 --> 00:06:14,794 Achilles tendon has been doing quite a bit better recently. 123 00:06:14,794 --> 00:06:17,267 I'm still cautious with it, but it's done great. 124 00:06:17,267 --> 00:06:21,448 And I've used this shoe for, let's see, threshold run, a two 125 00:06:21,448 --> 00:06:24,140 by two-and-a-half-mile tempo, and of course pushing the 126 00:06:24,140 --> 00:06:26,723 stroller, and then a long run this morning. 127 00:06:26,723 --> 00:06:30,597 It did great for all of them. It doesn't, the, I usually hate 128 00:06:30,597 --> 00:06:33,082 FF Blast Max. I will say the recent iterations 129 00:06:33,082 --> 00:06:36,124 of it, in this and the, another shoe we'll talk about in a 130 00:06:36,124 --> 00:06:38,684 second, has been great. And yeah, it's definitely not 131 00:06:38,684 --> 00:06:42,257 overly soft, but once you break it in, it's not nearly as firm 132 00:06:42,257 --> 00:06:45,321 as the last version, but it's got that nice propulsion. 133 00:06:45,321 --> 00:06:48,039 I'm like, oh, that forefoot little pod actually does 134 00:06:48,059 --> 00:06:51,387 something, unlike in the Novablast, which has an awful 135 00:06:51,387 --> 00:06:54,339 heel transition. I can't even feel the forefoot. 136 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,443 So I, yeah, I would definitely agree with you, that probably 137 00:06:57,443 --> 00:07:00,537 one of the more stable options of, in this category of the 138 00:07:00,537 --> 00:07:02,115 year. They've got really nice, I need 139 00:07:02,115 --> 00:07:04,658 to clarify, I'm going to stop saying sidewalls, because Evan 140 00:07:04,658 --> 00:07:07,491 Day and other people have told me nearly a thousand times I was 141 00:07:07,491 --> 00:07:10,639 saying the wrong thing. Sidewalls refers to the side of 142 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:12,599 the midsole. The things that I'm talking 143 00:07:12,599 --> 00:07:16,284 about are called a topline, where it extends up around the 144 00:07:16,284 --> 00:07:18,197 foot. And this one does this really 145 00:07:18,197 --> 00:07:21,200 well in the heel on both the medial and lateral side. 146 00:07:21,549 --> 00:07:24,809 And then plus that fork plate and a little extra flare on the 147 00:07:24,809 --> 00:07:26,309 medial forefoot. It is very stable. 148 00:07:26,309 --> 00:07:28,446 So it's great. I really enjoyed it. 149 00:07:28,446 --> 00:07:31,407 Love running faster in it. Sometimes I get nervous. 150 00:07:31,407 --> 00:07:36,138 Like one of my students, Ethan and then Regina, will all do 151 00:07:36,138 --> 00:07:39,275 workouts together. And they both showed up wearing 152 00:07:39,275 --> 00:07:41,875 Alphafly 3s. And I was like, man, like I got 153 00:07:41,875 --> 00:07:44,626 to push the stroller like, running with these two doing a 154 00:07:44,626 --> 00:07:46,714 workout. I was fine, I was leading them, 155 00:07:46,714 --> 00:07:49,439 so it can move. And it's really, but it can also 156 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:51,590 do long runs. I agree with you, it is still a 157 00:07:51,590 --> 00:07:54,397 little on the stiffer side, where easy runs maybe not the 158 00:07:54,397 --> 00:07:57,507 best choice, unless you want that kind of stiffer feeling 159 00:07:57,507 --> 00:07:59,230 that makes it feel really stable. 160 00:07:59,230 --> 00:08:02,212 So, upper again, good amount of, sort of smack myself in the face 161 00:08:02,212 --> 00:08:05,763 with the shoe, um, good volume, so maybe not the widest thing on 162 00:08:05,763 --> 00:08:08,051 the market, but the volume just is really accommodating. 163 00:08:08,051 --> 00:08:12,349 So this is just night and day compared to the last shoe, last 164 00:08:12,349 --> 00:08:13,859 version. It was great. 165 00:08:13,859 --> 00:08:16,659 So far I'm really enjoying it. Yeah, I agree completely. 166 00:08:16,659 --> 00:08:21,023 I think the one thing that I forgot to say in all of that was 167 00:08:21,023 --> 00:08:24,188 that this is a type of shoe that, once it gets its momentum 168 00:08:24,188 --> 00:08:28,008 and you find that like, nice pivot point, like, it just wants 169 00:08:28,008 --> 00:08:31,649 to keep going, like, it's kind of hard to stop sometimes. 170 00:08:31,649 --> 00:08:34,659 Like, once you're in rhythm, it just keeps catapulting you 171 00:08:34,659 --> 00:08:36,899 forward. So they did a great job with the 172 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:38,570 updates, you know. I think there's still a little 173 00:08:38,570 --> 00:08:40,854 bit of room for improvement as far as, like, that midfoot 174 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:43,994 transition goes, but for the most part it's quite good. 175 00:08:43,994 --> 00:08:47,558 And I would say it is competitive with a lot of the 176 00:08:47,558 --> 00:08:49,896 other things that we're seeing on the market at the moment. 177 00:08:49,896 --> 00:08:53,334 So I'll have to go watch your video on this, but I, I would 178 00:08:53,334 --> 00:08:56,216 say this is going to be very competitive to the Megablast, 179 00:08:56,216 --> 00:08:58,938 because a lot of people, and I'm going to say this for the 180 00:08:58,938 --> 00:09:01,640 thousandth time, I think for a lot of people, a lot of the very 181 00:09:01,780 --> 00:09:04,147 aggressive, especially with how light and aggressive some of the 182 00:09:04,147 --> 00:09:06,470 super racers are, I don't think they're appropriate for 183 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:08,415 everybody. I think, you know, different 184 00:09:08,415 --> 00:09:12,023 people will have an optimal response to different shoes, and 185 00:09:12,023 --> 00:09:14,949 that includes shoes outside of the racing, quote-unquote, super 186 00:09:14,949 --> 00:09:18,152 racer category, especially among the recreational runners trying 187 00:09:18,152 --> 00:09:20,647 to, like, run faster or finish a race. 188 00:09:20,647 --> 00:09:24,624 I think this might unseat the Megablast for that, just, it's 189 00:09:24,624 --> 00:09:28,559 so good, like you said, at maintaining an, up, faster pace 190 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:32,522 for longer efforts. Like, yeah, it's, it could do it 191 00:09:32,522 --> 00:09:34,332 really well. So I'm impressed. 192 00:09:34,332 --> 00:09:40,504 Yeah, how do you In comparison, the Sonicblast 2 versus the 193 00:09:40,504 --> 00:09:46,656 Superblast 2 in terms of stability and options for 194 00:09:46,656 --> 00:09:50,219 long-distance racing, for those who have stability concerns, now 195 00:09:50,219 --> 00:09:53,182 that the Superblast 2 is RIP? Yes. 196 00:09:53,182 --> 00:09:57,321 I would say, unlike the Superblast 3, the Sonicblast 2 197 00:09:57,321 --> 00:10:01,699 is a better evolution of what I think people would want from the 198 00:10:01,699 --> 00:10:04,680 Superblast 2, but it's got a smoother transition and a better 199 00:10:04,700 --> 00:10:06,523 fitting upper. Like, one of the problems with 200 00:10:06,523 --> 00:10:08,339 the Superblast 2 is the tapered toe box. 201 00:10:08,339 --> 00:10:11,649 Yeah, it was pretty, and it always, like, I love this shoe, 202 00:10:11,649 --> 00:10:15,114 but that toe box is so tight. This doesn't have that problem. 203 00:10:15,114 --> 00:10:17,055 And I would also say the transition, I know you're 204 00:10:17,055 --> 00:10:19,624 complaining about the stiffness of midfoot, it's better than the 205 00:10:19,624 --> 00:10:22,112 Superblast 2. I think Superblast 1 and 2, 206 00:10:22,112 --> 00:10:25,999 like, when you start with them, it is like, brick stiff, and I, 207 00:10:25,999 --> 00:10:28,945 like, had knee pain the first couple times, just because I 208 00:10:28,945 --> 00:10:31,639 couldn't, like, I think my knee was hyperextending, trying to, 209 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:34,108 like, get over that shoe, because it couldn't get any 210 00:10:34,108 --> 00:10:36,831 tibial forward progression. Yeah, this is better. 211 00:10:36,831 --> 00:10:38,776 It transitioned, the foam's better. 212 00:10:38,776 --> 00:10:41,888 It's not nearly as stiff. It's got that same 213 00:10:41,888 --> 00:10:44,660 responsiveness without being as harsh as I think some of the 214 00:10:44,660 --> 00:10:46,419 Superblasts could be until they broke in. 215 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,736 This starts better. So upper better, outsole better, 216 00:10:49,736 --> 00:10:52,943 or midsole better. We'll have to see with this 217 00:10:52,943 --> 00:10:55,428 outsole. I'm a little worried about, but, 218 00:10:55,428 --> 00:10:59,552 you know, I haven't been as much of a destroyer recently, so we 219 00:10:59,552 --> 00:11:03,403 will see what happens. Yeah, and so I'll get into the 220 00:11:03,403 --> 00:11:05,563 next, one here. This one will be a little bit 221 00:11:05,563 --> 00:11:07,419 quicker because I've talked about it previously in other 222 00:11:07,599 --> 00:11:10,658 podcasts. But this one's the Karhu Fusion 223 00:11:10,658 --> 00:11:13,716 5.0, um, great as a daily workhorse. 224 00:11:13,716 --> 00:11:18,268 I think the written review for this should be out very soon as 225 00:11:18,268 --> 00:11:20,676 well, um. I have it written, it's done, 226 00:11:20,676 --> 00:11:23,470 it's just a matter of when we release it. 227 00:11:23,470 --> 00:11:27,603 But the one thing with this shoe that I was a little disappointed 228 00:11:27,603 --> 00:11:31,700 by was in the marketing. They market this as being a 229 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:36,473 propulsive shoe for workouts. It's not that. 230 00:11:36,473 --> 00:11:37,347 Really? Yeah. 231 00:11:37,347 --> 00:11:41,280 You go on their website. It's propulsive, Karhu Fulcrum, 232 00:11:41,530 --> 00:11:45,160 like nine ounces, high nine ounces, just under 10 ounces, 233 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,128 which for them is pretty light. I'm not going to lie. 234 00:11:49,128 --> 00:11:53,756 They tend to be 10 plus ounce shoes across the board, but it 235 00:11:53,756 --> 00:11:57,468 just does not stack up to the other shoes workout-wise or 236 00:11:57,468 --> 00:12:00,060 speed-wise. What I will say though is I 237 00:12:00,060 --> 00:12:03,080 really like it as a daily trainer and workhorse. 238 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,174 Like, I totally agree. Like, I'm like, if you just 239 00:12:06,174 --> 00:12:10,120 said, like, oh yeah, this is for all your easy days, just beating 240 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,220 up miles, great, yeah, sign me up. 241 00:12:12,220 --> 00:12:14,691 Uh, $170. I feel like it competes with, 242 00:12:14,691 --> 00:12:17,310 like, the Nimbuses and, like, those types of shoes. 243 00:12:17,310 --> 00:12:20,939 Like, I, I do feel like it's comparable, but I don't feel 244 00:12:20,939 --> 00:12:24,269 like it's a fast shoe. And it's an ATPU-based midsole. 245 00:12:24,269 --> 00:12:26,701 It is beaded. Like, you get a little bit of 246 00:12:26,701 --> 00:12:28,958 bounce from it, but this is the type of foam where it feels like 247 00:12:28,958 --> 00:12:31,960 it's really good at absorbing load, but it doesn't give you a 248 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,318 whole lot back. You know, you get a little 249 00:12:34,318 --> 00:12:37,472 bounce, but it's not springy. And I don't feel fast in this 250 00:12:37,472 --> 00:12:41,390 shoe, and I don't feel like I want to run fast in this shoe. 251 00:12:41,390 --> 00:12:44,492 But it's a great rocker, very balanced, good upper, you know. 252 00:12:44,492 --> 00:12:47,642 It runs a little warm. It's probably a little thick, at 253 00:12:47,642 --> 00:12:49,640 least for our weather conditions right now. 254 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,908 But for the most part, it's quite good. 255 00:12:51,908 --> 00:12:54,675 And I would say it is in the stable neutral category. 256 00:12:54,675 --> 00:12:57,744 Like there's so many things that are good about this shoe, but 257 00:12:57,744 --> 00:13:01,178 going fast is not one of them. And that's where I was like, oh, 258 00:13:01,178 --> 00:13:03,329 they might have just missed the mark on this. 259 00:13:03,329 --> 00:13:06,092 Like, or maybe they just created a really good daily trainer and 260 00:13:06,092 --> 00:13:08,113 they were, they just missed the mark on going fast. 261 00:13:08,113 --> 00:13:10,857 I don't know. Yeah. 262 00:13:10,857 --> 00:13:14,177 I like, I've loved that shoe as a day, not a love, but I've 263 00:13:14,177 --> 00:13:17,204 greatly appreciated it as a daily because it's such a step 264 00:13:17,204 --> 00:13:19,739 forward for Karhu. I've done some up-tempo runs, 265 00:13:19,979 --> 00:13:22,247 only because, like, every time I go on the treadmill, if I'm 266 00:13:22,247 --> 00:13:25,028 doing an easy run, it ends up going faster because I want to 267 00:13:25,028 --> 00:13:26,897 get it over with. But it's good. 268 00:13:26,897 --> 00:13:29,299 It's just not, yeah, it's not a workout shoe. 269 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,544 It's a great daily trainer. Fits a little bit weird, like, 270 00:13:32,544 --> 00:13:34,128 snug. I think some people, like, 271 00:13:34,128 --> 00:13:36,744 double-check the sizing. Like, it feels, like, weirdly, 272 00:13:36,744 --> 00:13:39,669 like, wide, but also snug at the same time. 273 00:13:39,669 --> 00:13:41,940 It's like, it's that, yeah, low volume. 274 00:13:42,580 --> 00:13:45,834 Like, there's width, for sure. Like there's space, but I get 275 00:13:45,834 --> 00:13:48,230 the same thing. The toe guard kind of extends 276 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:51,295 pretty far back and it's thick. And I put that in the review as 277 00:13:51,295 --> 00:13:53,260 well, where I did get a little hotspot from it. 278 00:13:54,020 --> 00:13:56,441 And the upper is a little bit thicker too. 279 00:13:56,441 --> 00:13:58,324 It's nice. Like it feels comfortable, but 280 00:13:58,324 --> 00:14:00,708 it can run hot. So if in the summertime right 281 00:14:00,708 --> 00:14:03,280 now, like for a lot of people, it's kind of brutal out there. 282 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,957 Probably not the best summertime upper, but. 283 00:14:05,957 --> 00:14:08,377 Right. Karhu, if you wanted to make a, 284 00:14:08,377 --> 00:14:11,679 if you wanted to market it where you are, and I didn't realize 285 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:15,040 that, I just thought it was like the best update from Karhu ever, 286 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,763 with the, like, midsole progression, you probably got to 287 00:14:17,763 --> 00:14:20,079 lighten that upper and, like, drop that weight a little bit, 288 00:14:20,079 --> 00:14:23,160 but you know, it's it's on the right track, it's, like, good. 289 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,780 You guys have an up-to-date midsole that, yeah, ATPU midsole 290 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:28,070 is great. It's a great daily training 291 00:14:28,070 --> 00:14:29,620 midsole, it is awesome. Yeah. 292 00:14:29,620 --> 00:14:33,570 Yeah, but I totally agree, that was a tough one for me, where 293 00:14:33,570 --> 00:14:37,279 I'm like, it's not hitting what they wanted it to hit, at least 294 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,725 for me, um. But it's nice, it's nice for 295 00:14:39,725 --> 00:14:41,779 something else. It's a great shoe, also great 296 00:14:41,779 --> 00:14:44,936 walking shoe, like a little bounce in your step, it has been 297 00:14:44,936 --> 00:14:45,928 very, very nice. Yeah. 298 00:14:45,928 --> 00:14:49,411 And so the next ones here will be very quick because I have not 299 00:14:49,411 --> 00:14:51,441 run in these yet. So we've had an onslaught of 300 00:14:51,441 --> 00:14:53,951 shoes, I'm just, I'm doing my best to get through all of 301 00:14:53,951 --> 00:14:55,904 these. BJ made a comment in a chat that 302 00:14:55,904 --> 00:14:59,235 it's like, that I've had a bunch that I've been having to do 303 00:14:59,235 --> 00:15:02,145 lately, but it's fine, we're locked in, we're getting it 304 00:15:02,145 --> 00:15:04,235 done. Yeah, um, this one I'm sure 305 00:15:04,235 --> 00:15:07,308 you'll talk about, but this is the ASICS GT-2000 15. 306 00:15:07,308 --> 00:15:11,299 I'm very excited for this one. I think the 2000 might be back. 307 00:15:11,580 --> 00:15:13,716 You know, GT-2000. Oh, it is. 308 00:15:13,716 --> 00:15:15,140 Yeah. Not fully back. 309 00:15:15,140 --> 00:15:18,344 Still some of the classic things, but it's definitely 310 00:15:18,344 --> 00:15:21,039 back. GT-2000 13, not as good? 311 00:15:21,039 --> 00:15:25,263 Or 15, not as good, or as good? It's better, right? 312 00:15:25,263 --> 00:15:28,719 It's just not the atrocity that version 14 was. 313 00:15:28,859 --> 00:15:30,448 Okay. Then, hey, I'm excited to try 314 00:15:30,448 --> 00:15:31,810 it. You know, it fits well. 315 00:15:31,810 --> 00:15:34,249 I've walked around in it. It does give me a little bounce. 316 00:15:34,249 --> 00:15:36,450 The Blast Max, I can feel it, you know, at least standing and 317 00:15:36,450 --> 00:15:39,640 walking. So I'm excited to run in it, you 318 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,981 know, mild, moderate stability. I don't have much more to say on 319 00:15:42,981 --> 00:15:45,719 it besides, you know, it's a very balanced geometry and 320 00:15:45,859 --> 00:15:49,736 stable and the upper kind of a little bit lower volume average 321 00:15:49,736 --> 00:15:51,693 width. I wouldn't say that it's like 322 00:15:51,693 --> 00:15:53,539 the most spacious shoe on the planet. 323 00:15:53,919 --> 00:15:57,159 So if they have wide options, might be worth looking into. 324 00:15:57,419 --> 00:16:00,257 Thankfully, it doesn't bug me as far as like those more snug fits 325 00:16:00,257 --> 00:16:02,001 usually. So I don't think it'll be an 326 00:16:02,001 --> 00:16:03,847 issue. But the GT-2000 has always been 327 00:16:03,847 --> 00:16:06,859 a little traditionally snug. The 13 and the 14 both were too. 328 00:16:08,739 --> 00:16:09,971 But yeah, I'm excited to run in it. 329 00:16:09,971 --> 00:16:11,960 I haven't run in it yet, but I have walked around in it. 330 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,470 So I'm curious to hear what you think. 331 00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:17,796 Yeah, I think it's back. I think you knocked it on the 332 00:16:17,796 --> 00:16:20,299 head, where it's still got the, like, really, it's lower volume 333 00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:22,188 than I thought it was going to be. 334 00:16:22,188 --> 00:16:24,080 It was really snug. And that's, you know, great. 335 00:16:24,179 --> 00:16:25,844 And some of these people have got narrow feet. 336 00:16:25,844 --> 00:16:28,239 For me, I just want a little bit more width and wiggle room. 337 00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:32,380 But this is the best use of FF Blast Max I have experienced. 338 00:16:32,619 --> 00:16:34,752 I've hated that midsole every time, material or whatever 339 00:16:34,752 --> 00:16:37,587 variation you want to call it, because it's not the same in 340 00:16:37,587 --> 00:16:40,323 every shoe. But I've hated it every single 341 00:16:40,323 --> 00:16:42,427 time. This is the first time I'm like, 342 00:16:42,427 --> 00:16:45,140 oh, I like this. It's not going to be a super 343 00:16:45,140 --> 00:16:46,804 foam. So those of you that are looking 344 00:16:46,804 --> 00:16:48,260 for that, that's not what this is. 345 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:51,183 But it's just got a nice amount of bounce in it for a daily 346 00:16:51,183 --> 00:16:52,422 trainer. It's like, oh, this is really 347 00:16:52,422 --> 00:16:53,678 pleasant. It doesn't suck. 348 00:16:53,678 --> 00:16:56,208 It doesn't feel like a brick like the last version. 349 00:16:56,208 --> 00:16:58,479 I can actually land on the heel and transition. 350 00:16:58,679 --> 00:17:00,974 It's not awful. They did fix the upper where 351 00:17:00,974 --> 00:17:04,031 there's now a little notch for the Achilles as opposed to like 352 00:17:04,031 --> 00:17:06,452 digging in. But you can see it still rounds 353 00:17:06,452 --> 00:17:08,404 a little bit more than I would like. 354 00:17:08,404 --> 00:17:11,579 ASICS don't do that. So it's better because the 355 00:17:11,579 --> 00:17:14,095 Achilles can move through here. The only thing that's really 356 00:17:14,095 --> 00:17:16,906 noticeable with this that I am in trouble with is the heel 357 00:17:16,906 --> 00:17:20,180 counter is so stiff and prominent. 358 00:17:20,180 --> 00:17:22,260 Yeah. It is so stiff. 359 00:17:22,358 --> 00:17:24,640 And I like every time I put it on, I'm like, man, is this going 360 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,343 to piss my heel off? I was going to do a long run in 361 00:17:27,343 --> 00:17:29,415 this today, but then defaulted to the Sonicblast because I 362 00:17:29,415 --> 00:17:32,540 wanted a little bit more bounce and I was worried about 363 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:34,812 irritating my heel. So you got the Haglund's 364 00:17:34,812 --> 00:17:36,888 deformity then. This is not going to work. 365 00:17:36,888 --> 00:17:39,002 It's just too much. I will continue to get miles on 366 00:17:39,002 --> 00:17:41,280 it because the rest of the shoe is great, but it is better. 367 00:17:41,859 --> 00:17:44,604 At least I can run it and I don't have to cut the heel in 368 00:17:44,604 --> 00:17:47,970 half to try to get through it. But overall, what I'm most happy 369 00:17:47,970 --> 00:17:51,540 about is this shoe is the evolution of the Kayano 32. 370 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:57,079 The 33 was also an atrocity and is like not even a running shoe. 371 00:17:57,339 --> 00:17:59,655 I mean, people are going to disagree with me on that, but 372 00:17:59,655 --> 00:18:01,579 it's just like just not as runnable as 32 was. 373 00:18:02,239 --> 00:18:04,863 And the stability isn't done the same. 374 00:18:04,863 --> 00:18:08,977 This carries that over very much, that, like, they call it 375 00:18:08,977 --> 00:18:12,856 3D Guidance System. Yeah, it feels exactly like the 376 00:18:12,856 --> 00:18:15,414 Kayano 32. Really nice, stable, but doesn't 377 00:18:15,414 --> 00:18:18,699 get in the way. Keeps you going for miles. 378 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,400 I really like it. So people that liked Kayano 32, 379 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,180 hate Kayano 33 like me, this is it. 380 00:18:25,979 --> 00:18:28,459 Just know if you wanted a little more room, and the Kayano wasn't 381 00:18:28,459 --> 00:18:31,453 the widest shoe either, you might want to consider the wide 382 00:18:31,453 --> 00:18:33,811 because it is kind of snug from that volume. 383 00:18:33,811 --> 00:18:36,825 So, yeah, excited to get. I've got about 20 miles on my 384 00:18:36,825 --> 00:18:38,467 pair so far, holding up really well. 385 00:18:38,467 --> 00:18:40,339 So excited to keep breaking the thing in. 386 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,959 Hopefully that heel counter breaks in a little bit because I 387 00:18:42,959 --> 00:18:45,970 think it's stiff as hell. Yeah, I get worried about those 388 00:18:45,970 --> 00:18:48,535 sometimes with you when I get some certain shoes, and I'm 389 00:18:48,535 --> 00:18:52,323 like, oh, hopefully this works. Yep, um, next one, I'm gritting 390 00:18:52,323 --> 00:18:55,140 through it super quick. This will probably be something 391 00:18:55,140 --> 00:18:58,872 I get some miles on over this week, but it's the Inov-8 392 00:18:58,872 --> 00:19:01,839 TrailFly Pro, um, I'm excited for this one, you know. 393 00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:06,174 I think the foam is interesting, it's a soft and bouncy foam. 394 00:19:06,174 --> 00:19:10,790 I haven't run in it, I've walked in it and I've wanted to work, 395 00:19:10,790 --> 00:19:14,649 uh, but there's not that much of it, you know, so, like, I feel 396 00:19:14,649 --> 00:19:17,387 like you're going to get the balance in a little bit of, 397 00:19:17,387 --> 00:19:19,979 like, a, it's a little bit flexible, but the one thing I 398 00:19:20,020 --> 00:19:23,509 get nervous about, this midfoot, but I didn't have an issue with 399 00:19:23,509 --> 00:19:26,449 the previous Inov-8 shoe, granted it was lower, but I 400 00:19:26,449 --> 00:19:30,297 think with the way this foam is, because it's not super high up, 401 00:19:30,297 --> 00:19:33,590 it might just land, you know, take that shock, and then I'll 402 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:36,280 just have the lugs, and I might not notice the midfoot that 403 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,368 much. So that's what I'm hoping for, 404 00:19:38,368 --> 00:19:40,897 we'll see. I was hoping for that with the 405 00:19:40,897 --> 00:19:46,840 Adidas Terrex Agravic Speed 2, and that was not the case, so 406 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,424 we'll see. I'm, I'm, I'm curious and I'm 407 00:19:50,424 --> 00:19:52,956 open. It fits me well and I think the 408 00:19:52,956 --> 00:19:55,452 ride feels nice walking, I'm like, I feel like I'm gonna like 409 00:19:55,452 --> 00:19:58,979 the, but you never know until you're going down a steep 410 00:19:58,979 --> 00:20:02,536 downhill, right, like, I, so I just gotta go do it. 411 00:20:02,536 --> 00:20:05,589 But I mean, for the most part it's nice, slightly lower 412 00:20:05,589 --> 00:20:08,147 volume, wide toe box, like, it's a good fitting upper and 413 00:20:08,147 --> 00:20:10,608 everything about it is done well, you know. 414 00:20:10,608 --> 00:20:13,678 So we'll see. I tend to like the mid-foot's a 415 00:20:13,678 --> 00:20:16,363 little bit wider, but we'll find out. 416 00:20:16,363 --> 00:20:20,935 Yeah, and then the other two here before I stop talking, I'm 417 00:20:20,935 --> 00:20:24,313 talking a lot, man. I don't usually talk this much. 418 00:20:24,313 --> 00:20:27,491 I mean, hey man, this is what the in-for-testing is for. 419 00:20:27,491 --> 00:20:31,009 This one will be quick too because we got a review out 420 00:20:31,009 --> 00:20:33,719 previously in the year for the variation of this model. 421 00:20:34,540 --> 00:20:37,806 And this is the Altra Experience Wild 3, not 3+. 422 00:20:37,806 --> 00:20:42,491 So we got the 3+, earlier in the year, and now I have the 3. 423 00:20:42,491 --> 00:20:45,535 The difference is the proprietary outsole versus the 424 00:20:45,535 --> 00:20:48,927 Vibram outsole, so this is the MaxTrac outsole. 425 00:20:48,927 --> 00:20:53,084 I don't believe there are other differences, but I will look 426 00:20:53,084 --> 00:20:56,848 into that before any writing or recording or anything like that. 427 00:20:56,848 --> 00:21:00,016 I'll make sure I dot my I's and cross my T's. 428 00:21:00,016 --> 00:21:02,319 Feels very similar. Ironically, though, I will say 429 00:21:02,339 --> 00:21:05,738 the forefoot and the volume feel better in the three than I 430 00:21:05,738 --> 00:21:09,044 remember in the three plus. I no longer have my three 431 00:21:09,044 --> 00:21:13,118 pluses, but that one felt a lot more snug to me where this one 432 00:21:13,118 --> 00:21:15,170 feels a lot more spacious up front. 433 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:18,012 So I don't know. I, it seems to fit me better on 434 00:21:18,012 --> 00:21:21,469 the three than it did in the three plus from what I remember 435 00:21:21,469 --> 00:21:23,137 at least. So I don't know. 436 00:21:23,137 --> 00:21:26,758 And then the last one up and you'll probably talk about this 437 00:21:26,758 --> 00:21:30,418 a little bit too, is the TYR Valkyrie Elite 2. 438 00:21:30,418 --> 00:21:34,448 And so this one, I think I need to run in it. 439 00:21:34,448 --> 00:21:36,756 It seems like it might be a little squirrely. 440 00:21:36,756 --> 00:21:38,804 You've run in it, right? I have not. 441 00:21:38,804 --> 00:21:42,267 I actually got scared off from it, because I was like, this is 442 00:21:42,267 --> 00:21:44,553 wild. I really want to run in it, and 443 00:21:44,553 --> 00:21:49,580 then I yeah, just was going to do a set, one of my classic 444 00:21:49,580 --> 00:21:52,879 second threshold runs, and got back from a long day of work, 445 00:21:52,879 --> 00:21:55,739 and I went, I, my Achilles is doing great right now, I don't 446 00:21:55,739 --> 00:21:59,319 want to piss it off, and I am really tired, so bailed on it, 447 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:02,279 but walked around a lot, and it, it is wild. 448 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:04,644 Yeah, I'm excited, I want to try it. 449 00:22:04,644 --> 00:22:07,689 I haven't run it yet. I was going to run it this 450 00:22:07,689 --> 00:22:09,599 morning, but because of reviewing reasons, you know, 451 00:22:09,699 --> 00:22:13,941 like, I, boo-hoo, I ran in the Sonicblast 2 for my long run, it 452 00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:17,851 was great, um, but like I was, it was between these two shoes, 453 00:22:17,851 --> 00:22:19,875 and I had to get my Sonicblast 2. 454 00:22:19,875 --> 00:22:23,344 I would not have done what you did in this, to be honest. 455 00:22:23,344 --> 00:22:27,031 I mean, but that was like a race-ish pace for me, right? 456 00:22:27,031 --> 00:22:31,754 Like, yeah, I don't know, man, I think this is like a 5K/10K 457 00:22:31,754 --> 00:22:32,612 racer. Okay. 458 00:22:32,612 --> 00:22:36,082 And specification-wise it's pretty impressive, it's like, at 459 00:22:36,082 --> 00:22:39,691 40 mil it's like 5.3 ounces, it's pretty light. 460 00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:43,300 That is wild. The first version of this was 461 00:22:43,599 --> 00:22:47,439 meh, it was like, what, I, I, I bought it, I tried it, and went, 462 00:22:47,439 --> 00:22:50,304 hey, this doesn't fit me and it doesn't feel great, I'm gonna 463 00:22:50,304 --> 00:22:52,314 send it to David. And I don't think we ever 464 00:22:52,314 --> 00:22:55,510 reviewed, I, I still have it, I don't think, we just kept having 465 00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:58,740 more things come in that were higher priority, and like, it 466 00:22:58,740 --> 00:23:01,640 was not special. Sorry, TYR, it was not special. 467 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,150 This one feels like it might be though, like, is, if it works, 468 00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:10,380 probably this gets the award for the most insane improvement of 469 00:23:10,380 --> 00:23:15,222 any super shoe ever. Maybe too much, maybe too far, 470 00:23:15,222 --> 00:23:20,428 but it's what, like, ATPU foam, 5.3 ounces, men's size 9, max 471 00:23:20,428 --> 00:23:23,594 stack height, crazy geometry, which we're going to talk about 472 00:23:23,594 --> 00:23:26,219 later, because I'm wondering if this goes too far, but it feels 473 00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:28,144 like an almost negative drop shoe. 474 00:23:28,144 --> 00:23:31,373 It looks pretty aggressive. I'm excited to try it, because I 475 00:23:31,373 --> 00:23:34,671 tend to like those shoes. So it's supposed to be six 476 00:23:34,671 --> 00:23:38,009 millimeter drop, it does not feel like that, but it's one of 477 00:23:38,009 --> 00:23:40,685 the few shoes I've gotten a feel, because a lot of stuff 478 00:23:40,685 --> 00:23:44,066 recently has been, and it's not wide, it's snug, it's very snug, 479 00:23:44,066 --> 00:23:46,634 um. A lot of stuff recently from the 480 00:23:46,634 --> 00:23:50,740 super racing category has felt kind of, what most people want I 481 00:23:50,740 --> 00:23:53,860 guess, is that they all feel like really good at half, full 482 00:23:53,860 --> 00:23:57,080 marathon pace, and they just, to me, don't have the versatility 483 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,358 in the 5K/10K efforts, because you don't get a lot of these 484 00:24:00,358 --> 00:24:02,392 super lightweight shoes, because, you know. 485 00:24:02,392 --> 00:24:06,512 But this one, totally different. So I'm going to try to rip a 486 00:24:06,512 --> 00:24:09,188 track workout in this on Tuesday and Wednesday and hope my 487 00:24:09,188 --> 00:24:12,154 Achilles stays intact, but I will say one positive, there's 488 00:24:12,154 --> 00:24:15,444 no heel counter. So I should not whine as much, 489 00:24:15,444 --> 00:24:16,431 but. It's flexible. 490 00:24:16,431 --> 00:24:17,955 Yeah. We'll see what happens. 491 00:24:17,955 --> 00:24:19,339 Tiny bit of thickening of the material there. 492 00:24:19,979 --> 00:24:22,715 You know, there is that segment that I got to take back. 493 00:24:22,715 --> 00:24:24,079 Maybe I'll use this on. Yeah. 494 00:24:24,140 --> 00:24:26,318 Oh, I don't know if I told you guys. 495 00:24:26,318 --> 00:24:28,979 Yeah, that dude took it again. So I got to go. 496 00:24:29,540 --> 00:24:31,339 You're just going to take the most aggressive. 497 00:24:31,469 --> 00:24:33,469 Or someone came into my neighborhood and just started 498 00:24:33,469 --> 00:24:37,081 taking a bunch of segments. So you just got to take the most 499 00:24:37,081 --> 00:24:39,647 aggressive shoe we've gotten the last year and just go rip it 500 00:24:39,647 --> 00:24:41,891 through there and just be like, oh, you're never taking this. 501 00:24:41,891 --> 00:24:44,751 I've got to just, like, will myself to a 4:30 mile. 502 00:24:44,751 --> 00:24:48,485 And it's not set at a 4:30, it's set at, like, it's pretty 503 00:24:48,485 --> 00:24:50,300 reasonable, it's like 5:07, I think. 504 00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:54,500 I, I had it originally from a tempo run I did a long time ago 505 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:58,055 in that area, and it was like a 5:20- something, and the person 506 00:24:58,055 --> 00:25:01,325 put it down to like 5:15, and then I think I put it down to 507 00:25:01,325 --> 00:25:04,330 5:11, like, not that long ago, where it was like, I'll just do 508 00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:06,870 enough to get it, just so I can get it back. 509 00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:09,785 And then they brought it down to 5:07, so it's like, okay, now 510 00:25:09,785 --> 00:25:11,339 we're gonna have to make this sub-five. 511 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:14,860 It's just, like, flat, uphill, downhill, what's the... 512 00:25:14,860 --> 00:25:19,314 Yeah, it's like, um, so it's basically a wavy kind of, like, 513 00:25:19,314 --> 00:25:21,951 S-curvy road with a slight downhill initially. 514 00:25:21,951 --> 00:25:27,100 So for the first, like, you have the first maybe six to seven 515 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:31,660 hundred meters on that, and then you have a sharp incline where 516 00:25:31,660 --> 00:25:35,709 it's not super long, but it will definitely take the momentum out 517 00:25:35,709 --> 00:25:39,674 of your legs, into an immediate really sharp right, and then you 518 00:25:39,674 --> 00:25:43,010 have another downhill, and then that spoons out to a little bit 519 00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:47,251 of a flat kind of arcy upturn, it's into another sharp right 520 00:25:47,251 --> 00:25:51,525 onto another road, and then it's a long straightaway, but gradual 521 00:25:51,525 --> 00:25:56,865 uphill, because this is a loop, and then it basically, uh, makes 522 00:25:56,865 --> 00:26:01,392 a right at the top, like, pretty flat right there, flat 523 00:26:01,392 --> 00:26:04,872 straightaway, make a right down the top of that S-curve. 524 00:26:04,872 --> 00:26:08,487 So it's, it's, I think it's a decently honest mile, you know, 525 00:26:08,487 --> 00:26:12,326 it's, you got a little bit of downhill at the start, which you 526 00:26:12,326 --> 00:26:16,525 can get your legs going. Um, but you do have to do a 527 00:26:16,525 --> 00:26:20,307 little bit of this, you know, where you're having some side to 528 00:26:20,307 --> 00:26:22,731 side movements. It's not the most fluid road. 529 00:26:22,731 --> 00:26:25,962 It's quiet enough, but there are cars on it. 530 00:26:25,962 --> 00:26:28,577 And there is a school right there too. 531 00:26:28,577 --> 00:26:30,859 So you got to time it appropriately. 532 00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:34,636 There's two schools actually. There's an elementary school and 533 00:26:34,636 --> 00:26:37,860 a high school. So it's logistically, you got to 534 00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:39,930 time that segment if you're going to do it. 535 00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:42,459 And a lot of dog walkers as well in that area. 536 00:26:42,619 --> 00:26:46,619 There's a little dog park too. So yeah, we'll see. 537 00:26:46,619 --> 00:26:50,965 But yeah, anyways, the TYR Valkyrie Elite might see a 538 00:26:50,965 --> 00:26:54,850 four-something on that in the next week. 539 00:26:54,850 --> 00:26:59,839 Valkyrie Elite 2 specifically. Yes, Valkyrie Elite version 2. 540 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,828 You should just drop a 4:30. I don't know if I can, though. 541 00:27:03,828 --> 00:27:06,900 Just go all, just taper for it, and then just all out. 542 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,290 And there's two segments. So there's a segment from the 543 00:27:10,290 --> 00:27:12,739 very top, not technically the start of the segment. 544 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,248 So the starts are different. But it's basically that kind of 545 00:27:16,248 --> 00:27:18,060 S-curve, slight downhill. It's not much. 546 00:27:18,199 --> 00:27:21,055 It's just enough to kind of let your legs open up a little bit, 547 00:27:21,055 --> 00:27:27,230 but it's not steep by any means. And I set that at like 4:40 548 00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:29,934 pace, so that one has not been taken. 549 00:27:29,934 --> 00:27:33,099 You don't worry about that one. Yeah, I don't have to worry 550 00:27:33,099 --> 00:27:35,283 about that one for now, but if I'm gonna go run a 4:30, I'm 551 00:27:35,283 --> 00:27:38,468 gonna have to run that. You might as well. 552 00:27:38,468 --> 00:27:41,933 Uh, so we'll see, I don't know, but anyways, let's get into your 553 00:27:41,933 --> 00:27:44,404 in-for-testing, because we are deep into this already. 554 00:27:44,404 --> 00:27:47,426 Yeah, to be honest, you've gotten through most of the stuff 555 00:27:47,426 --> 00:27:51,220 that I am testing. I mean, I've still got the Altra 556 00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:55,016 Vanish Carbon 3 that I'm getting additional miles on and getting 557 00:27:55,016 --> 00:27:57,606 ready for a comparison video between that and the Topo 558 00:27:57,606 --> 00:27:59,772 Spectre Elite that's not only been requested, it's been 559 00:27:59,772 --> 00:28:01,516 planned. I just need to have enough time 560 00:28:01,516 --> 00:28:04,236 that I'm not working. I can sit in front of the camera 561 00:28:04,236 --> 00:28:07,104 and figure that video out. But the other shoe I've got is 562 00:28:07,104 --> 00:28:09,440 the Altra Torin 9, which has really been pleasant. 563 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,200 It's been nice. My Achilles is doing well 564 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,237 enough. I can handle a little bit of 565 00:28:13,237 --> 00:28:15,991 zero drop stuff. So mostly some shorter miles in 566 00:28:15,991 --> 00:28:18,439 this, but just very different from previous Altras. 567 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,060 And somebody else mentioned the Torin 9 was really different. 568 00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:24,365 And I think some of that is they've got this early forefoot 569 00:28:24,365 --> 00:28:27,509 rocker that makes the shoe not feel as aggressively zero drop. 570 00:28:27,509 --> 00:28:30,444 As classic for Altra, they've got, even though it's kind of 571 00:28:30,444 --> 00:28:32,628 more moderate stack height, got a decent heel bevel that 572 00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:35,274 transitions really, really well and a little bit more plush 573 00:28:35,274 --> 00:28:37,152 upper. But it's just going, you know, 574 00:28:37,152 --> 00:28:38,760 moderate stack height shoes aren't dead. 575 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:40,920 They're still here. And I think we're going to see 576 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,540 more of them. This is a great example of 577 00:28:42,540 --> 00:28:45,539 executing that fairly well. It is also a great walking shoe. 578 00:28:45,539 --> 00:28:47,619 It does the walk run very, very well. 579 00:28:47,619 --> 00:28:49,699 And I think that versatility is really nice. 580 00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,236 Nice. The only thing that reminds me 581 00:28:52,236 --> 00:28:54,966 of classic Altras, like I remember trying some of the 582 00:28:54,966 --> 00:28:58,157 original Altras with this, is the toe guard is a little bit 583 00:28:58,157 --> 00:29:01,731 thick and it makes the shoe going, I don't know what I want 584 00:29:01,731 --> 00:29:04,705 to have size up. What I not, it's kind of in that 585 00:29:04,705 --> 00:29:07,123 middle ground. So definitely try before you buy 586 00:29:07,123 --> 00:29:10,573 for those of you between sizes. But outside of that, really 587 00:29:10,573 --> 00:29:13,394 solid shoe. The P90, what is that? 588 00:29:13,394 --> 00:29:16,153 P35, I think. The E35X has been so much 589 00:29:16,153 --> 00:29:18,108 better. It's not a super foam, but it's 590 00:29:18,108 --> 00:29:20,724 just so much better than some of the previous dead foams that 591 00:29:20,724 --> 00:29:23,019 they have. It just feels, it feels a lot 592 00:29:23,019 --> 00:29:26,579 better on easy runs. Not a fast shoe, but just 593 00:29:26,579 --> 00:29:30,079 comfortable daily trainer for those who want a simple zero 594 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:34,151 drop modern Altra shoe. That's all I got. 595 00:29:34,151 --> 00:29:35,939 Wow. I literally covered all the 596 00:29:35,939 --> 00:29:36,830 other ones. Yeah. 597 00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:38,909 We've got all the same stuff. Yeah. 598 00:29:38,909 --> 00:29:40,936 So no judgment. Yeah. 599 00:29:40,936 --> 00:29:43,788 It always finds a way of working out. 600 00:29:43,788 --> 00:29:44,856 All right. Yeah. 601 00:29:44,856 --> 00:29:46,280 It worked out. Yeah. 602 00:29:46,739 --> 00:29:49,640 So that, again, sponsored by Skratch Labs. 603 00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:53,748 Our podcast is sponsored by Rabbit, who has been sending us 604 00:29:53,748 --> 00:29:59,891 some really awesome stuff. As always, the new code for 605 00:29:59,891 --> 00:30:02,656 September is DORSEPT10. DORSEPT10. 606 00:30:02,656 --> 00:30:04,038 DORSEPT10. DORSEPT10. 607 00:30:04,038 --> 00:30:06,118 So D-O-R. Wait, D-O-R-S-E-P-T-E-N. 608 00:30:06,118 --> 00:30:07,510 Sorry. I am so sorry. 609 00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:09,734 We are butchering that, guys. Bear with us. 610 00:30:09,734 --> 00:30:13,641 I have it in front of us. It is D-O-R-S-E-P-T-10. 611 00:30:13,641 --> 00:30:17,750 D-O-R-S-E-P-T-10. I screwed that up so bad 612 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:20,680 earlier. We restarted the podcast. 613 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,003 It just went from the beginning. Yeah, this is our third take at 614 00:30:24,003 --> 00:30:26,540 this thing now at this point. So we're doing this live. 615 00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:28,486 We're figuring it out. Yeah. 616 00:30:28,486 --> 00:30:31,416 So, yes, you can get some great stuff from Rabbit. 617 00:30:31,416 --> 00:30:33,760 Again, 10% off orders of $50 or more. 618 00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:36,415 I love the low light collection. It's great. 619 00:30:36,415 --> 00:30:39,180 Nathan was smart enough to get us some of that stuff. 620 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,409 It has been awesome because in Oregon anyway, it is getting 621 00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:43,934 dark. The Northwest, we are starting 622 00:30:43,934 --> 00:30:45,939 to see the days shorten up pretty quick here. 623 00:30:46,719 --> 00:30:49,221 And that includes the mornings when I usually run. 624 00:30:49,221 --> 00:30:52,268 It fits super well. I am probably going to buy more 625 00:30:52,268 --> 00:30:55,469 of those tights. The half tights are awesome. 626 00:30:55,469 --> 00:30:57,199 The reflection is great. Yeah. 627 00:30:57,410 --> 00:31:01,156 I got feedback from somebody who saw me running with Isabella in 628 00:31:01,156 --> 00:31:03,438 the stroller. It was like, dude, it was in the 629 00:31:03,438 --> 00:31:05,695 middle of the day and I could still see your reflection. 630 00:31:05,695 --> 00:31:08,271 Totally. Still see the, like, the, um, 631 00:31:08,271 --> 00:31:12,253 like shininess from your, uh, singlet and half tights, and I 632 00:31:12,253 --> 00:31:14,968 was like, that's kind of the point, even the middle of the 633 00:31:14,968 --> 00:31:16,235 day. So it does work really, really 634 00:31:16,235 --> 00:31:19,145 well, and it's going to get really dark here really soon, so 635 00:31:19,145 --> 00:31:21,818 definitely a big fan of the low light collection. 636 00:31:21,818 --> 00:31:25,504 So do you want to start, because what we were going to do is talk 637 00:31:25,504 --> 00:31:27,348 about some topics. Or you okay if I start, because 638 00:31:27,348 --> 00:31:29,506 I've got some things rattling around in my brain. 639 00:31:29,506 --> 00:31:32,879 Yeah, I've also got some of the stuff you put up in our Google 640 00:31:32,879 --> 00:31:35,120 Doc to talk about that's also been rattling around in my brain 641 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,028 that I feel like we should talk about because people have 642 00:31:38,028 --> 00:31:41,050 commented it a billion times on our YouTube videos. 643 00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:44,600 So, and emailed about us. So do you want to go first? 644 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,070 Do you want me to go first? Just for the listeners and the 645 00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:49,831 viewers, we haven't exactly talked about what we're about to 646 00:31:49,831 --> 00:31:53,568 do, but today was a little bit of a think box episode, kind of 647 00:31:53,568 --> 00:31:56,160 a little bit of a wild card where kind of just spitballed 648 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,035 some ideas, whether it be running news or footwear trends 649 00:31:59,035 --> 00:32:03,286 or market things that we notice or just something that we want 650 00:32:03,286 --> 00:32:06,807 to talk about. And so, like, I created a little 651 00:32:06,807 --> 00:32:10,839 Google Doc, you know, about an hour ago, well, more than an 652 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:14,140 hour ago now, but, like, you know, before coming on today, 653 00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:17,358 and just started, just typing things, and so we got numbers 654 00:32:17,358 --> 00:32:20,394 and lists and things. We won't hit all of them, but I, 655 00:32:20,394 --> 00:32:23,060 some fun things I think that are worth bringing up. 656 00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:25,140 But yeah, go for it, you can start. 657 00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:27,697 I'm gonna start on yours actually, I think We should 658 00:32:27,697 --> 00:32:31,736 choose the other person's stuff. So, David, are we going to start 659 00:32:31,736 --> 00:32:34,020 seeing more non-mainstream, i.e. non-North American, 660 00:32:34,199 --> 00:32:38,465 Asian-branded footwear, example, Anta, 361, Xtep, leaning on the 661 00:32:38,465 --> 00:32:41,780 feet of more people at road races? 662 00:32:42,579 --> 00:32:46,869 And I think this is a valid question, because online, 663 00:32:46,869 --> 00:32:49,867 Dynafish too, right? Where is RAD from? 664 00:32:49,867 --> 00:32:54,141 They're not Asian, right? No, I believe their office is 665 00:32:54,141 --> 00:32:57,104 actually in downtown Portland. I think it's the UK and 666 00:32:57,104 --> 00:32:58,968 Portland. Somebody can totally give me a 667 00:32:58,968 --> 00:33:01,110 hard time. I'll have to look that one up. 668 00:33:01,110 --> 00:33:02,060 Yeah. Believe they're UK. 669 00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:05,455 But we're just because we see a lot of this online. 670 00:33:05,455 --> 00:33:08,110 That's like every video. Are you going to review X shoe 671 00:33:08,110 --> 00:33:10,180 from this brand? Are you going to do this? 672 00:33:10,339 --> 00:33:12,778 And we honestly, again, they previously hadn't really reached 673 00:33:12,778 --> 00:33:15,655 out and we have enough stuff. We need to prioritize it when we 674 00:33:15,655 --> 00:33:17,660 get sent. However, Xtep has reached out 675 00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:20,577 again and we're really excited to hear from them and see where 676 00:33:20,577 --> 00:33:22,764 they've been, because they actually had some really good 677 00:33:22,764 --> 00:33:24,923 stuff in the past too. It was really solid. 678 00:33:24,923 --> 00:33:25,915 It was interesting. Aggressive. 679 00:33:25,915 --> 00:33:27,805 And so now, curious what happens. 680 00:33:27,805 --> 00:33:31,900 But do you think, so, if you realize, the people that we, we 681 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,860 are a niche group, we are not massive, we're not the biggest 682 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:36,939 running review brand at all, and we know that. 683 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,291 We are a very unique niche, uh, bit of information and group of 684 00:33:41,291 --> 00:33:44,784 people, and so we are very thankful for the people that 685 00:33:44,784 --> 00:33:47,421 come and listen, watch, and digest stuff from us. 686 00:33:47,421 --> 00:33:49,535 Hopefully you're learning, because that's what we are here 687 00:33:49,535 --> 00:33:50,939 to do. Like I always say, we're not 688 00:33:50,939 --> 00:33:53,174 here to sell you stuff, we're here to educate you and help you 689 00:33:53,174 --> 00:33:54,804 make better decisions. We don't care if you don't buy 690 00:33:54,804 --> 00:33:57,662 stuff, if, as long as you learn stuff, that's what we want. 691 00:33:57,662 --> 00:34:00,520 So it's been interesting, the number of people that comment, 692 00:34:00,979 --> 00:34:03,074 hey, are you going to review this shoe, that are, or, like, 693 00:34:03,074 --> 00:34:05,216 just comes out of the blue, like, this shoe is awful 694 00:34:05,216 --> 00:34:07,162 compared to this shoe from, like, so-and-so. 695 00:34:07,162 --> 00:34:10,847 And it's like, I know you guys want us to review stuff, we have 696 00:34:10,847 --> 00:34:12,708 to work with the company and they have to send us stuff. 697 00:34:12,708 --> 00:34:15,060 We don't charge them for review, but we have enough stuff, we 698 00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:18,139 can't go buy it out of our way, because we all also have other 699 00:34:18,139 --> 00:34:20,527 jobs that we got to work and do things for. 700 00:34:20,527 --> 00:34:23,899 But do we, do you think you're going to see this more on the 701 00:34:23,899 --> 00:34:26,273 feet of like, more traditional, like, road races? 702 00:34:26,273 --> 00:34:29,560 Because again, we're all shoe geeks, right, we want to know 703 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,760 this stuff, but we aren't the majority, right. 704 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,728 The majority of people in the United States buy running shoes 705 00:34:34,728 --> 00:34:37,239 to walk in. So what do you think is going to 706 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,608 happen, what do you think, David? 707 00:34:38,608 --> 00:34:40,168 Yeah, I think it's an interesting question. 708 00:34:40,168 --> 00:34:43,190 I also want to just say, for the first time, because I feel like 709 00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:46,239 whenever we do mailbag, there's always a David that asks, and 710 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,967 everyone's like, oh, David, and they're like, not our David. 711 00:34:48,967 --> 00:34:50,516 And I'm like, well, you don't know that. 712 00:34:50,516 --> 00:34:51,674 Yeah. Well, this time it is. 713 00:34:51,674 --> 00:34:53,005 But this time it is. Yeah. 714 00:34:53,005 --> 00:34:54,466 This is the first time we were like, David asks. 715 00:34:54,466 --> 00:34:55,780 And it's like, oh, no, that was my question. 716 00:34:55,918 --> 00:34:58,355 That was Jen. That was me. 717 00:34:58,355 --> 00:35:01,190 I typed that. David from Santa Barbara, 718 00:35:01,190 --> 00:35:05,588 connoisseur of pesto pizza and ass. 719 00:35:05,588 --> 00:35:10,599 Anyways, so we're gonna, yeah, I think we will. 720 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:15,108 I actually do think we will. I think this is the first time 721 00:35:15,108 --> 00:35:17,520 that we're starting to see some of these, what I would call 722 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,335 alternative companies in North America. 723 00:35:20,335 --> 00:35:25,320 I don't think it's fair to say alternative companies globally 724 00:35:25,659 --> 00:35:29,727 because Anta is a massive company, just not here. 725 00:35:29,727 --> 00:35:34,688 Well, not yet. I'm going to get to that in a 726 00:35:34,688 --> 00:35:38,689 moment. We're seeing things like the 727 00:35:38,689 --> 00:35:42,268 Dynafish Xiaonan etting popular. We're seeing things like the 728 00:35:42,268 --> 00:35:45,405 Li-Ning Red Hare. Like people are reviewing this 729 00:35:45,405 --> 00:35:47,620 and people actually are asking for it. 730 00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:50,836 And I think it's getting more and more popular beyond just the 731 00:35:50,836 --> 00:35:54,639 shoe geek market. But where I actually think that 732 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,639 this presence is growing and I think running footwear culture 733 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:04,040 tends to follow this culture later on is sneaker culture. 734 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:09,399 And sneaker culture stems mostly from basketball. 361, also a 735 00:36:09,399 --> 00:36:11,511 Chinese company, they sponsor Nikola Jokic. 736 00:36:11,511 --> 00:36:14,679 Li-Ning just signed that massive deal with Stephen Curry. 737 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,786 I'm not doing this as a plug just to bring the NBA into this 738 00:36:17,786 --> 00:36:20,955 podcast like I normally do. This is a very real thing that 739 00:36:20,955 --> 00:36:23,403 I'm doing. But like a lot of these 740 00:36:23,403 --> 00:36:25,239 companies have people that are sponsored. 741 00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:28,139 Anta has Kyrie Irving. They have Klay Thompson. 742 00:36:28,879 --> 00:36:31,673 Like they've had Klay Thompson, you know, and Li-Ning also has 743 00:36:31,673 --> 00:36:34,550 Jimmy Butler. Like there are superstar players 744 00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:37,760 within the league that are representing these companies. 745 00:36:37,929 --> 00:36:40,995 And I think people are getting more and more used to seeing 746 00:36:40,995 --> 00:36:43,576 these different companies. I saw a pair of Jokics in the 747 00:36:43,576 --> 00:36:47,086 clinic the other day. And that was when I discovered 748 00:36:47,086 --> 00:36:49,144 Nikola Jokic was even sponsored by 361. 749 00:36:49,144 --> 00:36:53,174 I didn't know that. That was the first time when you 750 00:36:53,174 --> 00:36:55,964 mentioned that, that made me realize, wait, I know a 751 00:36:55,964 --> 00:36:58,844 non-running shoe before David. Like I knew what those were. 752 00:36:58,844 --> 00:37:00,620 I didn't know the 361 Jokics existed. 753 00:37:01,540 --> 00:37:04,300 I had spent time on the 361 website and knew about those. 754 00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:06,820 And I was like, wait, I know about a non-running shoe. 755 00:37:06,959 --> 00:37:08,441 David doesn't. Like, this is wild. 756 00:37:08,441 --> 00:37:10,417 I was like, oh, you got some 361s? 757 00:37:10,417 --> 00:37:11,899 Like, are those some Aaron Gordon? 758 00:37:11,959 --> 00:37:13,290 Oh, Aaron Gordon. He's 361. 759 00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:15,418 I was like, I thought they were AGs. 760 00:37:15,418 --> 00:37:17,280 And I was looking at them closer. 761 00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:19,034 I was like, no, those are Jokics. 762 00:37:19,034 --> 00:37:20,728 Wait, what? He's like, no, no, they're 763 00:37:20,728 --> 00:37:22,179 Nikola Jokic. I'm like, you're serious. 764 00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,016 And then I looked it up. I was like, since when was 765 00:37:26,016 --> 00:37:28,060 Nikola Jokic's 361? Somehow I missed it. 766 00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:29,899 Yeah, I just missed that signing. 767 00:37:30,479 --> 00:37:33,582 But what you're alluding to is there, you know, we talk a lot 768 00:37:33,582 --> 00:37:36,200 about biomechanics and stuff on this just because that's kind of 769 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,580 where our bias comes from of how we analyze things. 770 00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:41,195 But you can have the best biomechanics all you want. 771 00:37:41,195 --> 00:37:42,739 If you don't market stuff, it doesn't sell. 772 00:37:42,899 --> 00:37:44,671 And this is a product at the end of the day. 773 00:37:44,671 --> 00:37:48,175 And so what you're saying, what I'm hearing is, hey, they're 774 00:37:48,175 --> 00:37:50,407 doing the work. They're not just doing the work 775 00:37:50,407 --> 00:37:52,818 from the product side because there's stuff from what I'm 776 00:37:52,818 --> 00:37:54,232 seeing. Again, I haven't gotten to test 777 00:37:54,232 --> 00:37:56,713 a lot of things. And even back then, it was like, 778 00:37:56,713 --> 00:37:59,040 no, this is like, move it. You guys are moving in the right 779 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,364 direction. I like the Anta C202 GT5, you 780 00:38:01,364 --> 00:38:03,402 know. I've been making plugs for that 781 00:38:03,402 --> 00:38:05,439 shoe for literally two years now, probably. 782 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,040 Yeah, anybody from Anta, if you're listening, David loves 783 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,120 your stuff and would love to test more of it. 784 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,128 So just FYI, but like, 361, their product has been, has just 785 00:38:14,128 --> 00:38:17,813 made huge jumps, not just racing, but also trainer-wise. 786 00:38:17,813 --> 00:38:21,044 They're moving really well forward, better foams, but it 787 00:38:21,044 --> 00:38:23,525 just comes also down. You got to get product to sell 788 00:38:23,525 --> 00:38:25,300 and you got to be able to get the name out there. 789 00:38:25,459 --> 00:38:27,505 And they're doing it from multiple different directions. 790 00:38:27,505 --> 00:38:29,800 You can't just approach it from the running aspect. 791 00:38:29,969 --> 00:38:31,928 You have to have a diverse portfolio. 792 00:38:31,928 --> 00:38:34,439 So people are like, oh, I see this brand. 793 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,970 You know, if I'm going to, they make running shoes. 794 00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:38,248 Oh, let me try this. Right. 795 00:38:38,248 --> 00:38:40,274 So they're putting the work in. It sounds like. 796 00:38:40,274 --> 00:38:42,883 And it's not to say that they're not going after runners either. 797 00:38:42,883 --> 00:38:45,565 Right. Because Anta has Kenenisa Bekele 798 00:38:45,565 --> 00:38:46,474 now. Yeah. 799 00:38:46,474 --> 00:38:49,198 I believe Suguru Osako. He's Li-Ning. 800 00:38:49,198 --> 00:38:50,106 Right. Yes. 801 00:38:50,106 --> 00:38:52,772 Yeah. So like these companies are also 802 00:38:52,772 --> 00:38:54,500 investing in the running division too. 803 00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:57,235 Like what I'm saying is not exclusive to just like, oh, it's 804 00:38:57,235 --> 00:38:58,459 going to be popular in basketball. 805 00:38:58,610 --> 00:39:00,223 So therefore it's going to be popular in running. 806 00:39:00,223 --> 00:39:02,858 That's not the pipeline. But like, but a lot of times it 807 00:39:02,858 --> 00:39:04,840 starts there, you know, and they get the buzz. 808 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,680 And Anta, you know, I don't know the corporate world well enough 809 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,408 from a business standpoint, but they bought majority share, 810 00:39:11,408 --> 00:39:15,549 like, in Puma. And I don't know what that means 811 00:39:15,549 --> 00:39:18,439 for Puma in North America or in Germany or global. 812 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,749 But what it does tell me is they're being aggressive about 813 00:39:22,749 --> 00:39:25,260 these moves and they're not hiding it. 814 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,281 And they also opened an office, not an office, but a brick and 815 00:39:30,281 --> 00:39:32,096 mortar storefront in Beverly Hills. 816 00:39:32,096 --> 00:39:33,919 Yeah. The first one in North America. 817 00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:38,316 And so this is a very intentional move that these 818 00:39:38,316 --> 00:39:41,883 companies are doing that, uh, them being Anta specifically, 819 00:39:41,883 --> 00:39:45,255 but it's not just Anta, like all these companies are coming over. 820 00:39:45,255 --> 00:39:48,054 I think it's good. You know, I mean, they have good 821 00:39:48,054 --> 00:39:50,756 product and they're competitive, but a lot of this stuff is stuff 822 00:39:50,756 --> 00:39:53,260 that people have never seen. They just don't know about it. 823 00:39:54,139 --> 00:39:58,184 Um, so it's really interesting to see, but I do think the buzz 824 00:39:58,184 --> 00:40:01,836 is getting big enough to where it'll start to bleed away from 825 00:40:01,836 --> 00:40:04,500 just the running shoe nerds and into the market. 826 00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:06,912 Because a lot of times, too, I didn't mention this earlier, but 827 00:40:06,912 --> 00:40:09,822 a lot of times their price points are a little bit lower. 828 00:40:09,822 --> 00:40:11,758 Oh, yeah. And the product's not worse, for 829 00:40:11,758 --> 00:40:13,279 sure. It's like, it's now coming. 830 00:40:13,279 --> 00:40:16,200 Like, I think, and hopefully this hasn't come off rude, when 831 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,837 a lot of these companies were first coming out, it was like, 832 00:40:18,837 --> 00:40:21,899 okay, this is clearly a cheaper copycat of other bigger brands. 833 00:40:22,379 --> 00:40:25,099 And then there was such this exponential growth. 834 00:40:25,099 --> 00:40:29,179 You're like, oh, you guys are like doing the cool stuff now. 835 00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:31,340 you're cooking. You're the ones other people are 836 00:40:31,340 --> 00:40:33,619 going, oh, that's interesting. I never thought of that. 837 00:40:33,619 --> 00:40:34,531 I'm like, wow. Okay. 838 00:40:34,531 --> 00:40:37,557 So, and still coming in at lower price points, which, you know, 839 00:40:37,557 --> 00:40:40,508 how they source their labor might be, I guess every company 840 00:40:40,508 --> 00:40:43,434 does that. So I can't, I can't say that, 841 00:40:43,434 --> 00:40:47,247 but you know, they're more affordable than a lot of the 842 00:40:47,247 --> 00:40:49,724 other stuff coming out in the US market. 843 00:40:49,724 --> 00:40:52,785 So that's, especially in today's economy, things with inflation, 844 00:40:52,785 --> 00:40:55,534 things being so freaking expensive and life being really 845 00:40:55,534 --> 00:40:58,084 challenging just from like a living perspective. 846 00:40:58,084 --> 00:41:02,599 If people know that exists, that's definitely things people 847 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:04,695 could reach for, because those are decisions people are making 848 00:41:04,695 --> 00:41:07,740 right now, going, hey, I want to do this, but oh, I have a 849 00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:10,740 similar model that's cheaper, I'm probably going to go for 850 00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:13,337 that. And that's, you know, that's 851 00:41:13,337 --> 00:41:15,387 how, that's consumer behavior, that's how it goes. 852 00:41:15,387 --> 00:41:16,923 Yeah. There are, it's obviously way 853 00:41:16,923 --> 00:41:19,896 more like, complicated than that, and then, I'm simplifying 854 00:41:19,896 --> 00:41:21,939 it because I'm not an expert in consumer behavior. 855 00:41:21,959 --> 00:41:26,005 But yeah, I think we're going to see, even, we thought there was 856 00:41:26,005 --> 00:41:29,651 a lot of competition before. It's going to get even more 857 00:41:29,651 --> 00:41:31,979 crowded, more competitive as they continue that push. 858 00:41:32,439 --> 00:41:35,713 And funny enough, from what I hear, China is super 859 00:41:35,713 --> 00:41:38,002 competitive. In terms, like, they've had this 860 00:41:38,002 --> 00:41:41,926 huge running boom, and they're going to get to have stuff that 861 00:41:41,926 --> 00:41:43,859 we don't. There's several brands who are 862 00:41:43,859 --> 00:41:46,543 releasing China-specific models that we are not going to get to 863 00:41:46,543 --> 00:41:49,219 see, just because there's just not the market for it here. 864 00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:52,319 And they've got it. Like, there's a really, really 865 00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:55,950 popular shoe out there that's from a group that we really 866 00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:57,771 enjoy that's going to have, like, four different variations 867 00:41:57,771 --> 00:41:59,760 of it that we don't get to see, and I'm kind of jealous. 868 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,523 So, it's fine. It's not the Tempest 3, which I 869 00:42:03,523 --> 00:42:07,459 would love to see, but we're never going to see that here. 870 00:42:07,699 --> 00:42:09,100 But it's kind of close. So, yeah. 871 00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:12,365 So, I think the answer is yes. You know, and I think it 872 00:42:12,365 --> 00:42:15,016 culturally here in the United States, I do feel like running 873 00:42:15,016 --> 00:42:18,540 is kind of reaching a second boom, kind of similar to the 874 00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:20,243 80s. And, like, you have all these 875 00:42:20,243 --> 00:42:23,159 run clubs, people are much more, and we're in a digital age. 876 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,831 People are looking for reviews. They're looking for different 877 00:42:25,831 --> 00:42:27,780 kinds of content and things out there. 878 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,179 And they're asking a lot more questions. 879 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,016 And I think, like, I don't see any reason why we won't start to 880 00:42:34,016 --> 00:42:36,695 see those companies popping up more and more at road races, 881 00:42:36,695 --> 00:42:39,125 especially because you could argue the road racing scene is 882 00:42:39,125 --> 00:42:42,517 already a niche in itself. And the shoe culture scene can 883 00:42:42,517 --> 00:42:46,159 kind of bleed into that. So, because, like, I know the 884 00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:48,719 majority of people buying shoes in general are usually walkers, 885 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:50,688 but the majority of people running half marathons and 886 00:42:50,688 --> 00:42:52,300 marathons are not the people that are walking. 887 00:42:53,459 --> 00:42:56,029 So, and that's, there's still a market there. 888 00:42:56,029 --> 00:42:59,239 So, yeah, I don't know. I think it's an interesting 889 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,829 topic. I brought that up. 890 00:43:00,829 --> 00:43:02,628 I think that was a good one. Yeah. 891 00:43:02,628 --> 00:43:03,300 Yep. All right. 892 00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:04,644 You choose one of mine. Okay. 893 00:43:04,644 --> 00:43:06,349 Well, one of yours. Okay. 894 00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:12,331 Let me pull it up. I got it right here. 895 00:43:12,331 --> 00:43:15,919 Let's see here. Let's go with... 896 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,416 Now, this is very vague, so I'm going to need you to elaborate. 897 00:43:20,416 --> 00:43:22,600 I will. This is a three-word topic. 898 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,000 We have super foams in trainers question mark. 899 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,810 Yes. Yes. 900 00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:31,772 Please elaborate. So, this comes because I've been 901 00:43:31,772 --> 00:43:35,092 thinking about this, and this has been happening, but had 902 00:43:35,092 --> 00:43:38,080 several comments from people recently on various things that 903 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,405 I posted for daily trainers. going, oh, this bit still feels 904 00:43:41,405 --> 00:43:43,183 dead. And I disagree, where I'm like, 905 00:43:43,183 --> 00:43:45,512 for a daily trainer, this feels really bouncy. 906 00:43:45,512 --> 00:43:48,680 Like, again, that happened with a video posted for the GT-2000 907 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,805 15, where I was like, hey, the Blast Max is actually pretty 908 00:43:51,805 --> 00:43:53,030 good. There's a little bounce to it. 909 00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:55,054 I don't hate this foam for the first time ever. 910 00:43:55,054 --> 00:43:56,755 You know, I'm really impressed for it. 911 00:43:56,755 --> 00:44:00,420 It's not meant to be a faster shoe, although it's one of the 912 00:44:00,420 --> 00:44:02,370 lighter stability shoes out there now. 913 00:44:02,370 --> 00:44:06,451 But yeah, that comment may go, yeah, you know, do we need to 914 00:44:06,451 --> 00:44:08,089 have super foams in daily trainers? 915 00:44:08,089 --> 00:44:11,059 Because we're now seeing, we've been seeing that, right? 916 00:44:11,059 --> 00:44:15,054 Look at the Saucony Triumph, it's like crazy bouncy foam, for 917 00:44:15,054 --> 00:44:16,589 example. Do we need that? 918 00:44:16,589 --> 00:44:19,319 I'm curious to what you think of, do we still need to have 919 00:44:19,319 --> 00:44:21,734 that separation of foams between trainers like we did in the 920 00:44:21,734 --> 00:44:23,350 past? I guess we didn't have that in 921 00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:24,871 the past, they're all, like, EVA. 922 00:44:24,871 --> 00:44:28,120 But not too long ago, like, ZoomX for example was very much, 923 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,635 you kept that in the racing shoe, and then you had your more 924 00:44:31,635 --> 00:44:33,799 traditional foam. And we're starting to see these 925 00:44:33,799 --> 00:44:35,734 bleed. Do you think that's a good 926 00:44:35,734 --> 00:44:38,968 thing, or do you think those need to be more separated, 927 00:44:38,968 --> 00:44:43,301 right, like the — an example being like PWRRUN PB from 928 00:44:43,301 --> 00:44:46,823 Saucony. Or, right, yeah, uh, FlightFoam, 929 00:44:46,823 --> 00:44:52,897 uh, Turbo Squared and, or LEAP, making its way into the 930 00:44:52,897 --> 00:44:54,019 Superblast, right? Right. 931 00:44:54,019 --> 00:44:58,506 For, like, Mizuno for example, who's got, who we would never, I 932 00:44:58,506 --> 00:45:01,295 would, if you told me this five years ago that Mizuno would have 933 00:45:01,295 --> 00:45:03,208 the bounce, some of the bounciest trainers on the 934 00:45:03,208 --> 00:45:05,386 market, I would tell you that you were insane. 935 00:45:05,386 --> 00:45:09,075 And now I am totally wrong because they did some of the 936 00:45:09,075 --> 00:45:10,850 bounciest trainers on the market. 937 00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:14,040 And yeah. So what do you think about that? 938 00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:19,488 Is that good, bad, neutral? I think it's good as long as all 939 00:45:19,488 --> 00:45:22,760 of their shoes don't go down that way. 940 00:45:22,899 --> 00:45:25,878 I think it's nice to give a new option. 941 00:45:25,878 --> 00:45:28,972 Things are getting lighter. They're getting, you know, we're 942 00:45:28,972 --> 00:45:32,265 seeing more development in geometries and things are 943 00:45:32,265 --> 00:45:34,889 getting, I would say, objectively better. 944 00:45:34,889 --> 00:45:38,357 A lot of these shoes are being tested vigorously in the lab 945 00:45:38,357 --> 00:45:42,095 before they come to market and their wear testing has gotten a 946 00:45:42,095 --> 00:45:44,606 lot more strict over the years and stuff too. 947 00:45:44,606 --> 00:45:48,350 So I think a lot of these shoes, as the competition builds more 948 00:45:48,350 --> 00:45:51,300 and more, you almost need something to kind of separate 949 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,787 yourself, or to at least, maybe not from a foam standpoint, but 950 00:45:54,787 --> 00:45:57,640 maybe getting, like, leaning into a certain category, where 951 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,440 it's like, I think of something like the Puma Velocity Nitro 5 952 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,785 being this ATPU, like, 8.0-ounce trainer. 953 00:46:04,785 --> 00:46:08,972 It's a flagship neutral daily trainer, but it can do a little 954 00:46:08,972 --> 00:46:11,678 bit more, right? And it's priced at $140. 955 00:46:11,678 --> 00:46:14,679 It's a very competitive shoe for where it's at. 956 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,711 Had they not made those moves to making something ATPU-based, 957 00:46:19,711 --> 00:46:24,109 that shoe might still be stuck at 9.5 to 10 ounces in EVA, 958 00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:27,129 right? Or a beaded TPU, like, let's say 959 00:46:27,129 --> 00:46:30,677 an Energy Boost or something like that from Adidas, you know, 960 00:46:30,677 --> 00:46:32,459 which now feels archaic, right? Right. 961 00:46:32,860 --> 00:46:37,032 And so I think it's the evolution of footwear in general 962 00:46:37,032 --> 00:46:41,580 as long as they don't lose the other shoes along the way. 963 00:46:41,620 --> 00:46:44,572 And I think that's something that's very tough for a lot of 964 00:46:44,572 --> 00:46:48,991 these companies is as they get their hands on better and better 965 00:46:48,991 --> 00:46:52,966 materials from responsiveness, cushioning, like just dynamic 966 00:46:52,966 --> 00:46:57,349 property standpoint, it makes it that much more difficult for the 967 00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:59,878 common consumer who's walking and standing and doing those 968 00:46:59,878 --> 00:47:02,044 things. I don't want to walk in my 969 00:47:02,044 --> 00:47:03,988 Triumph all day with the way that shoe is now. 970 00:47:03,988 --> 00:47:05,540 Like, I want to run in it, right? 971 00:47:06,709 --> 00:47:10,550 And so there's certain shoes that I think just do better 972 00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:13,691 standing and walking. And it's always been that way, 973 00:47:13,691 --> 00:47:15,922 right? Like as far as the market goes. 974 00:47:15,922 --> 00:47:21,030 So I think as long as they don't lose that end of it, then they 975 00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:23,280 could do all they want with the newer foams and advancements. 976 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,653 And maybe they just make a new line like Mizuno did. 977 00:47:26,653 --> 00:47:29,979 Actually, they are a perfect example with the Neo Zen, right? 978 00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:33,248 And like, yes, the Wave Rider and the Inspire and like those 979 00:47:33,248 --> 00:47:34,739 shoes have had their own evolutions. 980 00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:41,468 But like the Neo Zen and Neo Vista, like those are very 981 00:47:41,468 --> 00:47:44,783 different experiences from Mizuno than we've ever seen 982 00:47:44,783 --> 00:47:47,060 previously. Hence the Neo part of it. 983 00:47:47,879 --> 00:47:51,208 But yeah, I think as long as they don't lose the core lines 984 00:47:51,208 --> 00:47:55,080 that work for a lot of people, they can do whatever they want 985 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,600 with the other foams. Does that answer the question? 986 00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:02,325 Yeah, I think to follow up and kind of reflect back what I'm 987 00:48:02,325 --> 00:48:04,179 hearing is that, yeah, it's fine. 988 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,040 I mean, we are going to see an evolution of foams. 989 00:48:07,439 --> 00:48:10,651 We are seeing now a lot of companies are moving to ATPU 990 00:48:10,651 --> 00:48:13,224 foams away from Pebax. We're seeing Pebax foams and 991 00:48:13,224 --> 00:48:16,498 ATPU foams in trainers. And I think in order, we talked 992 00:48:16,498 --> 00:48:19,515 about selling, again, I'm going to talk about biomechanics in a 993 00:48:19,515 --> 00:48:21,737 second, but from a marketing standpoint, yeah, you got to be 994 00:48:21,737 --> 00:48:23,957 competitive. If you want to stay up, you got 995 00:48:23,957 --> 00:48:26,159 to make bouncier foams because that's what the consumer wants. 996 00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:30,509 At least in the United States, people like soft, bouncy things. 997 00:48:30,509 --> 00:48:32,780 That's, they usually associate with comfort. 998 00:48:33,439 --> 00:48:36,431 Not everybody feels like that. And there's a group of people 999 00:48:36,431 --> 00:48:38,600 who want a more firm or stable ride. 1000 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,772 And I think where I see things going is a modulation of, hey, I 1001 00:48:42,772 --> 00:48:45,796 think the stack heights are going to come back down a little 1002 00:48:45,796 --> 00:48:48,820 bit where it's going to be more of that moderate stack height. 1003 00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:51,320 But I still think you're going to see these crazy bouncy foams. 1004 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,575 And, you know, if you showed me what the ASICS GT-2000 15 was, 1005 00:48:54,575 --> 00:48:57,390 you know, 10 years, if you showed us that 10 years ago, 1006 00:48:57,390 --> 00:49:00,920 we'd go, this is wild. Like, this feels like what some 1007 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,880 of the racing shoes did then. You know, nowadays, it's a 1008 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,789 standard daily trainer, right? I would love to, and the person 1009 00:49:08,789 --> 00:49:12,089 that commented this on the unboxing video, I agree with 1010 00:49:12,089 --> 00:49:14,056 you. I would love to have what you're 1011 00:49:14,056 --> 00:49:16,828 looking for. I would love to have that bouncy 1012 00:49:16,828 --> 00:49:20,129 stability shoe, but the industry has just decided that that's 1013 00:49:20,129 --> 00:49:21,739 going to take a really long time. 1014 00:49:21,739 --> 00:49:23,424 Who knows? We might see one, but by that 1015 00:49:23,424 --> 00:49:25,340 time, shoes are going to be more insane, because for whatever 1016 00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:31,240 reason, the number of the number of stability shoes sold, maybe 1017 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:34,725 just doesn't justify doing a super stability shoe or even 1018 00:49:34,725 --> 00:49:36,300 more bouncy. We do have some now. 1019 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,165 Saucony with the Omni and the Hurricane, if you want that 1020 00:49:40,165 --> 00:49:43,670 bounce, those have that. It's a great option in my 1021 00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:46,567 opinion, but it's just not as big as we want. 1022 00:49:46,567 --> 00:49:50,674 Realizing that a shoe like the GT-2000 15 is going to have to 1023 00:49:50,674 --> 00:49:52,817 appeal to both runners and walkers, it's just not going to 1024 00:49:52,817 --> 00:49:56,488 be the bounciest thing, but it's bouncier than any of the prior 1025 00:49:56,488 --> 00:49:59,120 versions, to be fair. So from a biomechanic 1026 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,849 standpoint, I don't think things are good and bad. 1027 00:50:01,849 --> 00:50:05,951 I think in the past, I would have been more, oh, this is bad, 1028 00:50:05,951 --> 00:50:08,367 blah, blah, blah. Now I'm more observant going, 1029 00:50:08,367 --> 00:50:11,662 well, if we go this direction, this is probably what's going to 1030 00:50:11,662 --> 00:50:13,195 happen. And I'm not going to say it's 1031 00:50:13,195 --> 00:50:15,207 good or bad because pathology-wise, it's going to 1032 00:50:15,207 --> 00:50:17,479 benefit some people and it's going to be harder for others. 1033 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,792 Those with hip instabilities are going to, are going to struggle 1034 00:50:21,792 --> 00:50:25,520 as shoes get taller and softer. That's in hip pathologies. 1035 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,535 That's how it goes, right? You're moving as shoes get more 1036 00:50:29,535 --> 00:50:32,990 rocker, they get softer, the hip is one of the first things that 1037 00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:34,520 really kicks on on unstable surfaces. 1038 00:50:35,179 --> 00:50:39,196 Right, ankle, especially for young people, the ankle, some of 1039 00:50:39,196 --> 00:50:42,115 the stabilization mechanisms really kick on with very small, 1040 00:50:42,115 --> 00:50:43,886 minute motions. That's what's supposed to kick 1041 00:50:43,886 --> 00:50:45,966 on. But a lot of people, especially 1042 00:50:45,966 --> 00:50:49,956 as we get older, we use our hip a lot more, and those deep hip 1043 00:50:49,956 --> 00:50:51,915 muscles get really challenged on soft surfaces. 1044 00:50:51,915 --> 00:50:55,527 So if you got strong hips, these shoes are going to be great for 1045 00:50:55,527 --> 00:50:57,238 you. If you don't, then you're going 1046 00:50:57,238 --> 00:50:59,945 to maybe have to look for options that are a little bit 1047 00:50:59,945 --> 00:51:01,520 firmer. So it's not good or bad. 1048 00:51:01,699 --> 00:51:03,100 It's just this is what's going to happen. 1049 00:51:03,739 --> 00:51:06,777 I think we are going to continue to see, a, not a decrease in 1050 00:51:06,777 --> 00:51:09,364 injury rates, because I don't think anything is going to 1051 00:51:09,364 --> 00:51:12,174 change injury rates. I think at least not to my 1052 00:51:12,174 --> 00:51:13,860 knowledge because they haven't really budged. 1053 00:51:14,419 --> 00:51:18,373 I think what's going to continue to change as we see these 1054 00:51:18,373 --> 00:51:21,048 material compound progressions is you're going to see changes 1055 00:51:21,048 --> 00:51:23,665 in the injury types. I bet we're going to see more 1056 00:51:23,665 --> 00:51:25,284 hip pathologies. We're going to maybe see a 1057 00:51:25,284 --> 00:51:26,360 little bit more low back stuff, right? 1058 00:51:26,419 --> 00:51:29,644 just as you're trying to stabilize proximally on these 1059 00:51:29,644 --> 00:51:32,619 softer foams. I think you'll see less in the 1060 00:51:32,619 --> 00:51:35,639 way of foot and ankle stuff. It won't go away. 1061 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,389 You'll probably still see Achilles tendon stuff. 1062 00:51:37,389 --> 00:51:39,951 And that's the question I'm trying to ask right now is, hey, 1063 00:51:39,951 --> 00:51:43,469 these really soft foams, what happens to Achilles tendon 1064 00:51:43,469 --> 00:51:46,535 structure and function over the use compared to more traditional 1065 00:51:46,535 --> 00:51:47,747 stuff? I don't know the answer. 1066 00:51:47,747 --> 00:51:48,959 Maybe it's good. Maybe it's not. 1067 00:51:49,659 --> 00:51:52,073 I have no idea. But I don't think it's bad. 1068 00:51:52,073 --> 00:51:57,745 But it is going to be different. Nice. 1069 00:51:57,745 --> 00:52:00,187 Well, now you gotta ask, uh, any one of mine. 1070 00:52:00,187 --> 00:52:04,790 All right, so. Yeah, let's do this one. 1071 00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:07,584 Is there a shoe that has genuinely surprised you in an 1072 00:52:07,584 --> 00:52:10,809 amazing way this year? Oh, that's a great question. 1073 00:52:10,809 --> 00:52:13,659 Yeah, it's like we're getting to, like, our best-of already. 1074 00:52:14,739 --> 00:52:17,608 Oh man, oh man. Yeah, I put some thought into 1075 00:52:17,608 --> 00:52:21,040 these questions, look at me. Um, you know, it's funny, as I 1076 00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:24,332 wrote that, and I didn't even have an answer for it, so I'm 1077 00:52:24,332 --> 00:52:26,835 just as, like, shocked. That was, like, pretty far down 1078 00:52:26,835 --> 00:52:28,971 the list when I was just typing things, I didn't think we'd 1079 00:52:28,971 --> 00:52:35,714 actually get to it, um. Shoot, man, I don't know, a shoe 1080 00:52:35,714 --> 00:52:39,959 that genuinely surprised me in a, like, really positive way. 1081 00:52:40,439 --> 00:52:42,965 Honestly, I mean, the Sonicblast is up there. 1082 00:52:42,965 --> 00:52:46,783 I think it's one of the massive turnarounds, where like, I just, 1083 00:52:46,783 --> 00:52:50,635 like, I wanted to love the first version, I had reserves about 1084 00:52:50,635 --> 00:52:54,439 the second, and I love it. I think it's great, you know, 1085 00:52:54,439 --> 00:52:57,063 um. I think there is a shoe in that 1086 00:52:57,063 --> 00:53:01,489 category I like a little bit more, which you guys will have 1087 00:53:01,489 --> 00:53:03,521 to wait until the end-of-the-year videos for that 1088 00:53:03,521 --> 00:53:05,562 stuff, or other reviews and whatnot. 1089 00:53:05,562 --> 00:53:09,634 But they did such a good job with the revamp of it, and 1090 00:53:09,634 --> 00:53:13,164 that's one of those shoes where it genuinely took me by 1091 00:53:13,164 --> 00:53:15,756 surprise. I was like, wow, this is really 1092 00:53:15,756 --> 00:53:18,348 good. This is so much better than it 1093 00:53:18,348 --> 00:53:21,995 used to be. I'm trying to think of like 1094 00:53:21,995 --> 00:53:24,514 other ones right now. I think another one that was a 1095 00:53:24,514 --> 00:53:27,337 genuinely good surprise for me was the Mizuno Hyperwarp Pure. 1096 00:53:27,337 --> 00:53:30,829 I feel like getting a racing shoe down in the four ounce 1097 00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:35,218 range and have it not be unstable was a huge win, you 1098 00:53:35,218 --> 00:53:37,723 know? And the geometry is a little 1099 00:53:37,723 --> 00:53:40,220 aggressive. It won't work for everyone. 1100 00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:45,722 But I think it is an excellent super shoe and it is a great 1101 00:53:45,722 --> 00:53:48,772 racing shoe, and it's 4.3 ounces, 4.4 ounces. 1102 00:53:48,772 --> 00:53:50,806 It's as light as a lot of track spikes. 1103 00:53:50,806 --> 00:53:54,040 It's one of the few shoes you put on and you run in it and 1104 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,412 you're like, oh yeah, this is different. 1105 00:53:55,412 --> 00:53:58,584 You know, this is like, and that's hard to do in the market 1106 00:53:58,584 --> 00:54:01,152 right now. So I'd probably say those ones 1107 00:54:01,152 --> 00:54:04,037 right now. I'd have to think a little bit 1108 00:54:04,037 --> 00:54:06,207 deeper about it. I don't know if there's a trail 1109 00:54:06,207 --> 00:54:10,539 shoe that I've run in this year that like just blew me away. 1110 00:54:10,539 --> 00:54:14,439 You know, like they're really good and I like running in them, 1111 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,160 but there wasn't anything that I run in that I was like, yep, no, 1112 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,909 this is transcending, right? Like everything that I thought, 1113 00:54:21,909 --> 00:54:25,840 uh, daily trainers trying to think about it right now. 1114 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,359 I guess the experience of, let's say, the SC Rebel version one, 1115 00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:35,539 that was another one that I was genuinely surprised by. 1116 00:54:35,539 --> 00:54:39,295 I haven't gotten along with a lot of the SC trainers from 1117 00:54:39,295 --> 00:54:41,374 before. The SC trainer three was the 1118 00:54:41,374 --> 00:54:44,144 best one for me. Uh, but I struggled with one. 1119 00:54:44,144 --> 00:54:46,940 I don't even know if I ran in two. 1120 00:54:46,940 --> 00:54:51,880 Um, but like three was good. I, it just, I liked some other 1121 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,752 things more, but the rebel version one, which to my 1122 00:54:55,752 --> 00:54:59,579 knowledge, which is limited, I believe that it's going to be 1123 00:54:59,579 --> 00:55:02,426 the continuation of the SC Trainer lineup, the 1124 00:55:02,426 --> 00:55:05,282 carbon-plated trainer, that's kind of the training companion 1125 00:55:05,282 --> 00:55:08,791 slash trainer-racer kind of shoe. 1126 00:55:08,791 --> 00:55:11,995 Um, that FuelCell midsole is super good. 1127 00:55:11,995 --> 00:55:15,048 I find it, like, plush, but still springy. 1128 00:55:15,048 --> 00:55:18,115 It's not as springy as some of the other foams out there, but 1129 00:55:18,115 --> 00:55:21,290 that carbon plate is spooned so aggressively that, like, you 1130 00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:23,948 really get a snappy sensation through the forefoot. 1131 00:55:23,948 --> 00:55:28,151 And it's one of the shoes that I want to just keep reaching for, 1132 00:55:28,151 --> 00:55:30,770 you know, where it's like, I don't get that very often, where 1133 00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:33,396 it's like, oh, I'm just, like, what am I gonna do today, I 1134 00:55:33,396 --> 00:55:35,391 don't know, I'm gonna wear, let me just grab this shoe, you 1135 00:55:35,391 --> 00:55:36,623 know. And that's kind of one of the 1136 00:55:36,623 --> 00:55:39,465 shoes that I just continue to grab and keep looking at. 1137 00:55:39,465 --> 00:55:42,205 There's a couple of things, like, the volume's lower, the 1138 00:55:42,205 --> 00:55:44,349 fit's a little bit, like, it's definitely more of a snug fit. 1139 00:55:44,349 --> 00:55:46,318 They use the Phantom Fit that they use in the performance 1140 00:55:46,318 --> 00:55:48,106 shoes, so it's not super spacious. 1141 00:55:48,106 --> 00:55:52,167 So if you need width or volume, it's not the shoe for that. 1142 00:55:52,167 --> 00:55:56,744 But it doesn't bug me, and it fits my foot well, uh, and I've 1143 00:55:56,744 --> 00:55:59,640 just been very, very pleased with the experience in that 1144 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,250 shoe. So I'd probably say those three, 1145 00:56:01,250 --> 00:56:03,573 that's probably what I got. And the Hyperwarp Pure 1146 00:56:03,573 --> 00:56:07,276 technically is a 2025 release, but it's like late December, so 1147 00:56:07,276 --> 00:56:09,533 we're counting it for 2026 stuff. 1148 00:56:09,533 --> 00:56:12,461 What about you? So I, I have two. 1149 00:56:12,461 --> 00:56:17,219 I have a feeling which one of yours, oh, got it, okay, so 1150 00:56:17,739 --> 00:56:20,527 first one is going to be the Topo Spectre Elites, and I think 1151 00:56:20,527 --> 00:56:22,976 this is the whole team, where it was like, whoa. 1152 00:56:22,976 --> 00:56:25,440 And we've, I've talked extensively about how surprised 1153 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,879 we were and how we doubted this, but it's been great. 1154 00:56:28,879 --> 00:56:32,719 From, like, one of the first true wide toe box super racing 1155 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,100 shoes, it is great to have Altra get into the market. 1156 00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:38,856 I don't think these are, I will do a video comparison, but I 1157 00:56:38,856 --> 00:56:41,710 think there's just a teeny bit more work on that midsole with, 1158 00:56:41,710 --> 00:56:44,489 with the Vanish Carbon 3. It's not bad, but Topo just 1159 00:56:44,489 --> 00:56:48,324 making that big leap for their first super racer ever has been 1160 00:56:48,324 --> 00:56:51,893 awesome, with a wide, really wide toe box for people that 1161 00:56:51,893 --> 00:56:54,488 want that additional fit. So I've been very impressed. 1162 00:56:54,488 --> 00:56:58,585 The other one that really blew me away and actually probably 1163 00:56:58,585 --> 00:57:02,345 more than that one is the Saucony Omni ST. 1164 00:57:02,345 --> 00:57:06,409 You have really liked the Omni. I've got 200 miles on this 1165 00:57:06,409 --> 00:57:08,641 thing. It blew me away more than I 1166 00:57:08,641 --> 00:57:11,140 think anything has in the last couple of years to see. 1167 00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:12,540 And again, I just talked about this. 1168 00:57:12,540 --> 00:57:16,888 To see a stability shoe with a super foam in it, it's been 1169 00:57:16,888 --> 00:57:18,668 awesome. It's worn super well. 1170 00:57:18,668 --> 00:57:21,614 It's really stable. It's kind of on that more 1171 00:57:21,614 --> 00:57:24,285 moderate to higher stability level without being like as in 1172 00:57:24,285 --> 00:57:26,434 your face. But it's a example of going, 1173 00:57:26,434 --> 00:57:29,349 this can be done. And it's been, so, it's, I keep 1174 00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:31,910 reaching for it whenever I'm nervous about something, this is 1175 00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:33,842 what I reach for, and it's been really awesome. 1176 00:57:33,842 --> 00:57:37,495 And probably need to buy a new pair, even though the outsole 1177 00:57:37,495 --> 00:57:41,059 has not come off yet. So yeah, this can be done, to 1178 00:57:41,059 --> 00:57:45,030 the rest of the industry: you can do it, and it can be good. 1179 00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:47,289 Although Saucony didn't even advertise this shoe, I don't 1180 00:57:47,289 --> 00:57:50,314 know, sometimes it's the ones they don't market, right? 1181 00:57:50,314 --> 00:57:53,741 Like, sometimes someone has a gem and they don't— I'm sorry if 1182 00:57:53,741 --> 00:57:55,656 the marketing came. We did market it. 1183 00:57:55,656 --> 00:57:57,567 Sorry. I haven't been online as much. 1184 00:57:57,567 --> 00:58:00,433 I totally missed that. But I was the one going, Nathan, 1185 00:58:00,433 --> 00:58:02,566 can we get this? And he's like, sure, Matt's 1186 00:58:02,566 --> 00:58:05,951 complaining again. And I was like, this is such a 1187 00:58:05,951 --> 00:58:08,391 great shoe. It's still in contention for 1188 00:58:08,391 --> 00:58:12,597 shoe of the year from me. Because it's just, like I said, 1189 00:58:12,597 --> 00:58:16,923 an example of you can do this. And when it does get done well, 1190 00:58:16,923 --> 00:58:20,492 it is absolutely awesome. So we, stability wearers, 1191 00:58:20,492 --> 00:58:25,935 deserve some bouncy stuff too. All right, well, I think we got 1192 00:58:25,935 --> 00:58:27,525 time for, like, one more, probably. 1193 00:58:27,525 --> 00:58:29,379 Oh, we are over the 60-minute mark. 1194 00:58:29,379 --> 00:58:31,992 We're over the 60-minute mark. I think, I just want to poke 1195 00:58:31,992 --> 00:58:35,128 your brain on something Oh, you okay with that? 1196 00:58:35,128 --> 00:58:37,477 Okay, sure, let's go. It's about the events that 1197 00:58:37,477 --> 00:58:41,399 happened this morning. Do you, are you aware of what 1198 00:58:41,399 --> 00:58:43,309 happened this morning? I am aware of what happened this 1199 00:58:43,309 --> 00:58:45,698 morning. Okay, so as of right now, we're 1200 00:58:45,698 --> 00:58:48,638 recording on August 23rd, this morning the world record went 1201 00:58:48,638 --> 00:58:52,796 down in the half marathon, sub-57 minutes, uh, 56:51. 1202 00:58:52,796 --> 00:58:59,300 I think it was Yomif Kejelcha. 4:19 mile for a half marathon. 1203 00:58:59,340 --> 00:59:00,733 I was curious about the mile split. 1204 00:59:00,733 --> 00:59:03,121 I knew it'd be around that. I was like, I think it's 1205 00:59:03,121 --> 00:59:05,131 sub-4:20. I'm not a hundred percent sure, 1206 00:59:05,131 --> 00:59:08,919 but like the math was mathing to roughly that, um, in my head. 1207 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,428 So that's fast. That's really, really fast. 1208 00:59:12,428 --> 00:59:16,989 But the question that I had for that conversation, And this has 1209 00:59:16,989 --> 00:59:20,239 been a spicy one on my social media today because I put a 1210 00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:23,227 couple of things up and I've had some people with some heated 1211 00:59:23,227 --> 00:59:25,219 comments and some that were very supportive comments. 1212 00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:28,984 And I don't know where I stand on this, but I thought it was a 1213 00:59:28,984 --> 00:59:30,840 genuine question that I think was worth asking. 1214 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,366 And the question is, can you make the argument for Yomif 1215 00:59:35,366 --> 00:59:37,760 Kejelcha being the GOAT of distance running? 1216 00:59:40,580 --> 00:59:44,940 Would you like me to give some accolades? 1217 00:59:44,940 --> 00:59:50,490 I don't need them. Not that I'm saying no, but I 1218 00:59:50,490 --> 00:59:54,387 think that his range, again, half marathon world record 1219 00:59:54,387 --> 00:59:58,711 holder, one of two people that have run sub-two-hour marathons 1220 00:59:58,711 --> 01:00:04,602 on a legal course. He's run 26, like, 26-what for 1221 01:00:04,602 --> 01:00:07,941 10K? It's like super, it's like world 1222 01:00:07,941 --> 01:00:11,280 record, very close to world record pace. 1223 01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:15,496 Same thing with the, he's been in contention for the 5K world 1224 01:00:15,496 --> 01:00:17,160 record. What's his 1500 time? 1225 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:22,176 His 1500 isn't as spicy. So he was running the 1500 and 1226 01:00:22,176 --> 01:00:25,330 the mile when people weren't running stupid times yet. 1227 01:00:25,330 --> 01:00:29,563 So he previously was the world record in the indoor mile. 1228 01:00:29,563 --> 01:00:33,271 He ran 3:47.0 when no one was doing that. 1229 01:00:33,271 --> 01:00:36,565 Now people do it. But he still stands. 1230 01:00:36,565 --> 01:00:38,973 I wrote this down earlier, just in preparation. 1231 01:00:38,973 --> 01:00:42,846 He's, as of right now, number 5 indoor mile all time. 1232 01:00:42,846 --> 01:00:48,090 A lot of people are running now, and 3:47 doesn't carry the same 1233 01:00:48,090 --> 01:00:53,545 weight now as it used to. But yeah, I don't know, what do 1234 01:00:53,545 --> 01:00:56,799 you think? I think he's close, um. 1235 01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:01,439 I think he's definitely, he's easily in contention, that, that 1236 01:01:01,580 --> 01:01:03,607 individual, he's worth the consideration, he's definitely 1237 01:01:03,607 --> 01:01:06,538 worth, I would not be opposed to it at all. 1238 01:01:06,538 --> 01:01:09,968 I mean, he's got close to, if not world record, times, and has 1239 01:01:09,968 --> 01:01:13,735 held the world record from, things from the mile all the way 1240 01:01:13,735 --> 01:01:17,000 to, you know, half, and is just off a little bit in the 1241 01:01:17,139 --> 01:01:19,665 marathon, from the fastest times you've ever seen. 1242 01:01:19,665 --> 01:01:21,870 I think that's a very valid consideration. 1243 01:01:21,870 --> 01:01:25,032 I don't think I have enough information about some other 1244 01:01:25,032 --> 01:01:27,159 individuals, or, like, comparing, and somebody's going 1245 01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:29,409 to bring this up about, like, super shoes versus non-super 1246 01:01:29,409 --> 01:01:32,274 shoes and stuff like that, you know, or super, or super spikes, 1247 01:01:32,274 --> 01:01:34,541 is probably the bigger thing that's going to be the 1248 01:01:34,541 --> 01:01:36,963 consideration. So I don't know how to do those 1249 01:01:36,963 --> 01:01:39,693 calculations, but I definitely think he is in contention for 1250 01:01:39,693 --> 01:01:42,864 one of the ones with the greatest range. 1251 01:01:42,864 --> 01:01:45,902 Yeah, um, just based on times alone. 1252 01:01:45,902 --> 01:01:49,769 Yeah, like, wild. And I've always given that to 1253 01:01:49,769 --> 01:01:53,816 Kenenisa Bekele. And so, like, that is, that is a 1254 01:01:53,816 --> 01:01:59,215 pretty big name to go against. So I just, to kind of go over 1255 01:01:59,215 --> 01:02:02,570 some of the accolades, because I, I was totaling this up 1256 01:02:02,570 --> 01:02:05,808 earlier, and it's not perfect, but as of right now, he's number 1257 01:02:05,808 --> 01:02:08,642 two all-time in the marathon, one of two to break two in the 1258 01:02:08,642 --> 01:02:12,324 marathon, and, uh, also he's on a generational run. 1259 01:02:12,324 --> 01:02:16,159 He's done two things, this, in the last 20, or last 12 months, 1260 01:02:16,780 --> 01:02:19,170 that have never been done before, which is break two, 1261 01:02:19,170 --> 01:02:22,405 granted he didn't win, but he still was part of that, you 1262 01:02:22,405 --> 01:02:26,288 know, uh, in that race, break two in the marathon, break 1263 01:02:26,288 --> 01:02:31,175 57:30, which has actually been done one other time, but was not 1264 01:02:31,175 --> 01:02:35,125 ratified, it was a weird one. Yeah, Jacob Kiplimo, a 1265 01:02:35,125 --> 01:02:38,389 phenomenal runner, maybe he'll come back and run a 56 in the 1266 01:02:38,389 --> 01:02:40,719 next year or two. It's in his legs, probably. 1267 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,756 But anyways, number two in the marathon. 1268 01:02:44,756 --> 01:02:48,579 Number one in the half marathon. Number four in the 5K. 1269 01:02:48,579 --> 01:02:54,073 So it's 12:38 is his PR. Only people ahead of him are 1270 01:02:54,073 --> 01:02:58,366 Cheptegei, Bekele, and I think it might be Aregawi. 1271 01:02:58,366 --> 01:03:01,936 I gotta pull that up. Wait, what was his 10K time? 1272 01:03:01,936 --> 01:03:04,659 He's got some solid... He's number seven in the 10K. 1273 01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:07,598 But doesn't he have the world record for the road? 1274 01:03:07,598 --> 01:03:09,479 He does have the world record in the road. 1275 01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:11,040 So that's where I was going to go with this. 1276 01:03:11,379 --> 01:03:17,566 So number seven on the track, 10K road, 10K world record, 1277 01:03:17,566 --> 01:03:21,500 26:31 on the roads, which is nasty. 1278 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,559 That was done, I think, at the Adidas world headquarters when 1279 01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:31,210 they hosted that race. Number two on the road 5K ever, 1280 01:03:31,210 --> 01:03:35,510 you know, number five indoor mile, number five indoor 1500. 1281 01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:39,056 Outdoors don't stack up quite as well, but everyone runs 3:27 1282 01:03:39,056 --> 01:03:41,594 these days. So I feel like that's a tough 1283 01:03:41,594 --> 01:03:44,694 one to make. Where he's lacking, and this is 1284 01:03:44,694 --> 01:03:48,555 where people will really get into the weeds on this argument, 1285 01:03:48,555 --> 01:03:51,210 is do you value the time trialing? 1286 01:03:51,210 --> 01:03:54,910 Do you value the times that are being put down? 1287 01:03:54,910 --> 01:03:59,396 Or do you value medals? And that's where it's a hard 1288 01:03:59,396 --> 01:04:04,296 thing to equate because he's always in the mix for gold, but 1289 01:04:04,296 --> 01:04:07,808 he only has two golds, not counting juniors. 1290 01:04:07,808 --> 01:04:12,671 He has two senior level gold medals, both indoors in the 3K. 1291 01:04:12,671 --> 01:04:14,483 Indoor is, like, almost not real. 1292 01:04:14,483 --> 01:04:18,037 I feel like people don't really look at indoor medals like the 1293 01:04:18,037 --> 01:04:21,418 same as they do outdoor medals. And he has two silver medals 1294 01:04:21,418 --> 01:04:25,975 outdoors in the world championships. 1295 01:04:25,975 --> 01:04:32,166 I'll just lump Olympic and world championships together. 1296 01:04:32,166 --> 01:04:35,755 But caliber, and I don't want this to go on longer than it 1297 01:04:35,755 --> 01:04:38,530 needs to. Kenenisa Bekele has eight golds, 1298 01:04:38,530 --> 01:04:41,867 three Olympic golds with one double, one silver and one 1299 01:04:41,867 --> 01:04:43,199 bronze. That's 10 medals. 1300 01:04:44,780 --> 01:04:48,016 Eliud Kipchoge, not quite as decorated, but a lot of people 1301 01:04:48,016 --> 01:04:49,780 would consider him the marathon GOAT. 1302 01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:54,119 I think where he really separated himself was he was 1303 01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:55,699 winning majors, like, clinically. 1304 01:04:56,540 --> 01:05:00,332 The dude was just executing and just winning major after major 1305 01:05:00,332 --> 01:05:03,815 after major, But you only have so many chances to actually go 1306 01:05:03,815 --> 01:05:07,916 for gold in the marathon. So he has two Olympic gold 1307 01:05:07,916 --> 01:05:11,580 medals in the marathon, one gold in the 5K at a world 1308 01:05:11,580 --> 01:05:16,790 championships back in 2003, and two silvers and a bronze. 1309 01:05:16,790 --> 01:05:20,507 Joshua Cheptegei has five international golds with two 1310 01:05:20,507 --> 01:05:25,240 Olympic gold medals and two silver at world-level meets. 1311 01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,479 But he hasn't really broken into the long... 1312 01:05:29,500 --> 01:05:32,930 He hasn't broken into the long stuff yet, but he is the current 1313 01:05:32,930 --> 01:05:36,588 world record holder on the track for 5K and 10K, breaking 1314 01:05:36,588 --> 01:05:39,859 Bekele's. So that's the only reason I 1315 01:05:39,859 --> 01:05:44,275 brought him up, because he obviously has quite a few more 1316 01:05:44,275 --> 01:05:46,732 medals than Kejelcha. So it's so hard. 1317 01:05:46,732 --> 01:05:50,718 It is so hard to make that determination, but I think if 1318 01:05:50,718 --> 01:05:53,237 you're looking at it from a time standpoint, it's like the 1319 01:05:53,237 --> 01:05:56,223 classic argument when you look at, like, do you look at career 1320 01:05:56,223 --> 01:05:57,679 statistics or do you look at championships? 1321 01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:02,234 You know, when you look at other sports and it's hard to say, I 1322 01:06:02,234 --> 01:06:05,839 think it's a blend of both, but I think he's worth the 1323 01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:08,239 conversation. I don't know if he gets an 1324 01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:10,639 Olympic gold medal in the marathon in 2028. 1325 01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:14,239 I think it might, he might just put his stamp on it. 1326 01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,923 'Cause I think you got, 'cause you got someone like, I still 1327 01:06:17,923 --> 01:06:22,527 think Kenenisa Bekele is one of the top, just 'cause he got so 1328 01:06:22,527 --> 01:06:25,311 many golds. He has been, like, world record 1329 01:06:25,311 --> 01:06:27,562 holder. He ran 2:01 for a marathon. 1330 01:06:27,562 --> 01:06:30,532 He was almost there. Just kind of wonder what he 1331 01:06:30,532 --> 01:06:33,100 would have done more, Like when he was younger in the marathon, 1332 01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:35,627 which probably would have prevented him from doing as much 1333 01:06:35,627 --> 01:06:38,682 as he did in the 5K/10K, but he's still out there. 1334 01:06:38,682 --> 01:06:41,313 Yeah. And those 12, the 12:36 I think 1335 01:06:41,313 --> 01:06:44,493 he ran in the 5K, and that was pre-super spikes. 1336 01:06:44,493 --> 01:06:48,342 Same with his 10K, at like 26: 20, it was sub-26:20. 1337 01:06:48,342 --> 01:06:51,526 I don't remember what it was, it's 26:17. 1338 01:06:51,526 --> 01:06:54,710 Yeah, and then Cheptegei ran 26:11, I think. 1339 01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:59,083 Yeah, so smoking fast And some smoking fast half marathons, and 1340 01:06:59,083 --> 01:07:02,069 obviously marathons as well, when things kind of line up for 1341 01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:04,480 him. But I don't have an answer. 1342 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,280 I think he's gone 57, I think, in the half. 1343 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,812 Yeah, so he's moved. I think I still have to give it 1344 01:07:10,812 --> 01:07:12,271 to Bekele. I think I do. 1345 01:07:12,271 --> 01:07:16,314 I'll go on record saying that. I think the guy is just 1346 01:07:16,314 --> 01:07:18,505 pedigree, winning as well as time-trialing. 1347 01:07:18,505 --> 01:07:20,728 But Kejelcha is always in the mix. 1348 01:07:20,728 --> 01:07:24,271 He will always be in the mix as long as he's of running age or 1349 01:07:24,271 --> 01:07:25,408 competitive age. I think. 1350 01:07:25,408 --> 01:07:28,576 And yeah, we'll see. I mean, he's one of those guys, 1351 01:07:28,576 --> 01:07:32,738 he's been so young, or so good for so long, we kind of forget 1352 01:07:32,738 --> 01:07:36,170 that, like, he feels ancient at this point, but he really isn't. 1353 01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:37,600 No, he's still young. Yeah. 1354 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,667 So he kind of has, like, the Jakob Ingebrigtsen effect of, 1355 01:07:40,667 --> 01:07:42,847 like, oh, he was internationally good at 18. 1356 01:07:42,847 --> 01:07:46,890 So he's been racing world-class races for 12 years, 13 years, 1357 01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:49,688 and he's 31 or something. I don't know. 1358 01:07:49,688 --> 01:07:52,436 I got to look him up, but like he's not that old. 1359 01:07:52,436 --> 01:07:53,804 So we'll see. I don't know. 1360 01:07:53,804 --> 01:07:56,399 I think, but if he gets an Olympic gold, I think that might 1361 01:07:56,399 --> 01:07:59,111 put the stamp on it. But as far as range goes, I 1362 01:07:59,111 --> 01:08:02,831 mean, it's hard to, it's hard to dispute the numbers. 1363 01:08:02,831 --> 01:08:05,896 He's up there. Um, road running, especially, I 1364 01:08:05,896 --> 01:08:08,949 mean, world record 10K on the road, world record half marathon 1365 01:08:08,949 --> 01:08:11,080 on the road, number two on the marathon. 1366 01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,600 Like, how, what, what do you want him to do? 1367 01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,925 What else? What more can he do at that 1368 01:08:15,925 --> 01:08:19,014 point besides win a gold medal? So win a couple more gold. 1369 01:08:19,014 --> 01:08:20,846 Yeah, exactly, that's hard. So Yeah. 1370 01:08:20,846 --> 01:08:22,981 Yeah, I don't know, I just thought I'd bring that up, that 1371 01:08:22,981 --> 01:08:24,220 was just kind of a closing thought. 1372 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,481 But yeah, I don't have a problem with it. 1373 01:08:27,481 --> 01:08:30,763 Apparently some people online do, so good luck with that. 1374 01:08:30,763 --> 01:08:33,904 I had someone, they were like, brother, like, I think they, 1375 01:08:33,904 --> 01:08:37,511 like, said, like, a whole thing. I was like, I mean, I get it, 1376 01:08:37,511 --> 01:08:39,359 they're like, they're like, basically like, a sorry take. 1377 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:43,412 I'm like, I don't know if it is, like, looking at it from a 1378 01:08:43,412 --> 01:08:46,151 numbers standpoint, I feel like objectively he deserves to be in 1379 01:08:46,151 --> 01:08:47,741 that conversation. That's fair. 1380 01:08:47,741 --> 01:08:49,750 Yeah. All right, so now we'll bring 1381 01:08:49,750 --> 01:08:52,809 those people over here and we'll see what they comment on, and 1382 01:08:52,809 --> 01:08:54,984 they'll send us emails about, or comments on our YouTube channel, 1383 01:08:54,984 --> 01:08:56,441 so that'll be fun. Yeah. 1384 01:08:56,441 --> 01:08:58,915 Anyway, speaking of which, appreciate you listening. 1385 01:08:58,915 --> 01:09:01,939 Yeah, back to the subjective "what do you think." 1386 01:09:01,939 --> 01:09:04,749 So, as always, you can find us on a variety of different 1387 01:09:04,749 --> 01:09:06,171 places. 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