1 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,720 Hello everyone, and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,800 where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy, discuss the 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,280 art and the science of the stuff that we're putting on our feet. 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,360 I'm Andrea Myers, and today we've got 2 very special guests 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,320 from Topo Athletic here with us. We've got Carolyn Todd, public 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,200 relations specialist and Russ Stevens, product director. 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,120 Thank you both so much for joining us and welcome to the 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,800 podcast. Thanks, Andrea. 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,240 Let's just take a minute for each of you to introduce 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,440 yourselves, tell our listeners a little bit about your role at 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,480 Topo. So, Carolyn, if you want to go 12 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:47,480 first. Yeah, I've been at Topo for a 13 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:51,480 little bit more than two years. I work with our media team, our 14 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,040 athlete team and our influencers. 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,200 So lucky to work with the doctors and running team to send 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,160 out some shoes for everyone to get to review. 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,560 Yes, and we very much appreciate you sending them out. 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,880 So thank you. Of course. 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,400 How about your rest? Tell us what your role is at 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,560 TOPO. Yeah. 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,480 So I'm the product Director here at Topo. 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,960 So I oversee our product management and design teams 23 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:19,000 here, helping to bring products to market with a really talented 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,640 group of individuals. I've been a topo for a little 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,200 bit over 8 years now. So it's been a really exciting 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,840 journey, starting in customer service before, you know, 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,000 joining the product team and continuing to work my way up 28 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,440 from there. And I always do enjoy reading 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,160 the doctors and running reviews. You guys are so comprehensive 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,800 and good at what you do. So I'm thrilled to be on the 31 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,320 podcast with you today. Thanks so much. 32 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:42,880 It's always fun to have people to geek out on shoes with and 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,880 people from running shoe companies, especially people 34 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,800 involved with development are the best to have on. 35 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,640 So I appreciate you coming on to share your knowledge with our 36 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,920 listeners. So Topo in 2026 has some pretty 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,640 exciting updates and a number of updates too. 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,760 I was looking at the list of shoes that have an update for 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,199 next year and it's quite a few. So for 2026, we've got updates 40 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:17,120 to Atmos to Spectre 3, Ultrafly 6, Terra Venture 5ST6, Ultra 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,280 Venture 5 and I'm can't leave out or A2, right? 42 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,160 So that's a lot of shoes. So can you tell our listeners 43 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,160 first of all, what's if there is one? 44 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,480 What's topos overall theme for your 2026 design changes? 45 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,520 And then let's dive into the specific changes for each model. 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:37,760 Yeah. So from an overarching 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,920 perspective, we always just like to say that we we work to make 48 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:43,000 our products better every season. 49 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,320 So it's hard to say that there's one specific feature that we're 50 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,920 trying to change. In general, we're trying to 51 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:52,080 continue to improve the midsole foam technology in our shoes so 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,120 that it'll aligns with the use case of the end consumer, just 53 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,560 if it needs to be more comfortable, more stable, more 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,920 responsive, etcetera, in some cases more flexible like 55 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:04,000 something like the St. And then along with that, we're 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,280 always working to improve the aesthetic appeal of our product 57 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,680 too. So improving the design and 58 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,560 improving the color every season. 59 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:15,000 Aside from that, we really try and focus on what the product is 60 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,800 going to be used for and then make updates based on that. 61 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,600 That's great. And I've just got to say, 62 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,960 perhaps actually before we get into the details of your shoes 63 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,400 for our listeners who aren't familiar with your brand and I, 64 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:33,000 it's no secret I love a number of your shoes. 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,240 So I'm always raving about them to my patients or just runners. 66 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,640 I'm talking to you. But sometimes the response I 67 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,120 get, Topo, I haven't heard of them before. 68 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,960 So for someone who hasn't heard of Topo, what differentiates you 69 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,360 from other brands? That's a great question. 70 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,240 So Topo was founded in 2013 by Tony Post which is where we get 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,720 the name Topo Tony post the 1st 2 letters of his first and last 72 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,880 name. Before founding Topo Athletic, 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,280 Tony had been a veteran of the footwear industry for a long 74 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:05,960 time. Most recently he had been the 75 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,160 president to be from USA and helped to bring the five finger 76 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,240 product to the market. That obviously had a lot of 77 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,800 success, but ultimately he felt like it wasn't going to be a 78 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,000 product that fit every foot necessarily. 79 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,720 So he wanted to maintain some of those features when starting 80 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,000 Topo Athletic. So like you said, there are 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,080 three key characteristics that all Topo Athletic product has 82 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,640 that helps to differentiate our line from other shoes in the 83 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,920 market. Those are a roomy toe box that 84 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,920 allows your toes to spread and splay naturally while 85 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,760 maintaining a really locked in fit through the back half of the 86 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,760 shoe. So you get a lot of security 87 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,280 through the mid foot and heel while having that room up in the 88 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:45,840 toe box for that really nice blend of comfort while still 89 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:47,280 staying locked in over the platform. 90 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,840 Finally, all of our shoes are low drop, so the relative stack 91 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:54,000 height of the heel versus the four foot, but not necessarily 92 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,200 zero drop. So we have 5 millimeter, 3mm and 93 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,520 0 drop products. In general, we find the 5mm drop 94 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,440 is the most popular within our line. 95 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,520 I think in a large part because it's the most accessible for 96 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,160 folks that might be coming from a 10mm drop or 8mm drop. 97 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,560 They can go right into 5 generally without needing to 98 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,520 change their training or kind of lifestyle all that often, as if 99 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,200 they're going to 0 drop, maybe they need to take a little bit 100 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,320 more time to transition into that category issue. 101 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,600 Awesome. And you know, again, long time 102 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,560 listeners or readers will know one the main thing I really love 103 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,680 about your shoes is that wide toe box fits well. 104 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,040 It's so comfortable, but it's not so loose that you feel like 105 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,760 your foot is swimming in it. They just for me, the fit is 106 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,000 great and I also appreciate that all of them are lower drop, 107 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,360 which works well for my mechanic. 108 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,240 So yeah, if you haven't heard of Topo, you're going to learn a 109 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:51,320 lot about their shoes after today's podcast, so check them 110 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,480 out. So let's dive into the new well, 111 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,400 the updates to your current shoes, and then we can talk 112 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,880 about the new model that you have. 113 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:03,880 So let's start with Spectre 3. I think a lot of people are, 114 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,760 including myself, are excited about this update. 115 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,880 Yeah, I would count myself among those people too. 116 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,400 This is a shoe that I'm, I'm really excited about. 117 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,560 The Spectre is going to continue to be positioned as the high 118 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,240 cushion up tempo trainer within the topo athletic line. 119 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,240 So this is that shoe for the person looking for a shoe for 120 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,640 faster long runs, maybe a tempo workout or a longer session 121 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,880 where they want that additional cushioning or if someone just 122 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,000 wants a much more aggressive geometry and faster feeling 123 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,120 under foot for even a daily training shoe. 124 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,680 This product is a a full all new update over the previous version 125 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,560 starting with the midsole. So we've gone up in stock height 126 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:48,240 by 3mm. Now it's a 41 to 36mm midsole 127 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,720 platform, so even more stock cut under foot and we've updated the 128 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,320 midsole foam as well. Now moving to what we're calling 129 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,440 our Rev foam, which is an ATPU based foam, making it a little 130 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,840 lighter and more responsive under foot compared to the 131 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,840 previous version of the foam which was was P backed based. 132 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,360 In addition to that, we've actually increased the coverage 133 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,520 and thickness of the outsole a little bit just to allow for 134 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,760 increased traction and durability over the life of the 135 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,760 shoe. And then you can you can also 136 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,520 really see it. We've made the geometry of the 137 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,920 shoe a lot more aggressive as well, so that that rocker point 138 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,720 is just a bit further back in the shoe. 139 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,120 So it engages with the gate cycle a bit faster. 140 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,880 So you kind of move very quickly from mid foot to toe off through 141 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,000 the shoe. Moving on to the upper. 142 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Of course, like all of our shoes, we maintain that 143 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,280 signature topo athletic fit with that broomy toe box and security 144 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,200 through the mid foot and heel. And I have a very lightweight 145 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,760 and breathable engineered mesh upper. 146 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,480 Both Carolyn and I have been lucky enough to put some miles 147 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,080 on the shoe in the in the fit trial process. 148 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,280 And I have to say, I, I, I do think it's a really nice step 149 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,840 forward from the Spectre too, which is, which is also a fast 150 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,160 shoe, but this feels, feels just that much better and that much 151 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,440 quicker under foot. I haven't gotten a chance to 152 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,320 test Spectre 3 yet, but I'm hoping to soon. 153 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,720 So for me who hasn't run in it, how is the ride different than 154 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,360 Spectre 2? So in my opinion and, and I, I 155 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,320 look forward to hearing your feedback because obviously I'm 156 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,880 biased, so take it with a grain of salt. 157 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,760 It's the best shoe that's ever been made. 158 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,000 No, I feel like, no, I'm kidding. 159 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,840 It's, it's going to feel a bit softer under foot definitely 160 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,760 than Spectre 3. And I think you get a little bit 161 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,520 more of that sinking and bounce feeling within the platform. 162 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,000 Then in addition to that, with the more aggressive rocker 163 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,360 geometry, you really do feel that sensation of landing and 164 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,919 kind of rolling through toe off very quickly. 165 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,919 I think that it just feels a bit poppier and a bit more 166 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,240 responsive than the current Spectre as well. 167 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,800 And that's really interesting you say that because Spectre too 168 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,640 was 100% Peeba mental, right? It was. 169 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,840 And of course, as we've seen, as more and more companies make 170 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,640 Peeba based daily trainers or performance trainers, not every 171 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,600 PIPA based shoe is going to feel super bouncy and lightweight. 172 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,840 It depends on how the specific PIPA is designed. 173 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,800 So can you speak to the difference between the PIPA you 174 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,240 used, Inspector 2 and the ATP you midsole that's Inspector 3 175 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,720 and their specific properties and how that has contributed to 176 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,720 a totally different ride in version 3? 177 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,240 Yeah, I mean it to keep it to keep it pretty high level. 178 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,920 The the specific gravity of the ATPU foam that we're using is a 179 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,240 little bit lower. So you do get a a a little bit 180 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,120 more sink into the shoe and a bit more bounce. 181 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,200 The overall responsiveness of the shoe or energy return is 182 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,080 also higher with the ATPU based foam. 183 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,920 So you get something that's a little bit light, more 184 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,760 lightweight, you get a little bit more of that kind of 185 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,520 cushioned responsive feel under foot. 186 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,440 And that's really the reason that we made that transition is 187 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,920 that we feel that the customer who's going to be running 188 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,960 Inspector is appreciating that lighter weight feel and more 189 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,920 responsive right under foot. So it's not that we necessarily 190 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,040 think that there's anything wrong with the PIVA that we were 191 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,840 using Inspector. It's just that the ATPU was just 192 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,320 performing that much better. Sure, interesting. 193 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,440 What's the difference in weight between version 3 and version 2? 194 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,280 They're relatively close, but keep in mind we did make the 195 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,680 outsole thicker on Version 3 and also increase the stock height. 196 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,120 So in Immense 9, the Version 3 is coming in right around 8 197 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,240 ounces. OK. 198 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:25,200 And that's still decently lightweight for a performance 199 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,120 trainer, especially of that stack height. 200 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,480 Yeah, we think so. Yeah, exciting. 201 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,800 All right, let's move on to Atmos 2, which I've actually had 202 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,760 a chance to put some miles on. So can you tell us what's new in 203 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:46,000 version 2 and what Atmos 1 lovers like myself might notice 204 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,080 is different? Yeah, of course. 205 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:54,120 So Atmos is the high cushion or rather Max cushion neutral 206 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,080 trainer within our line. We like to talk about this as 207 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,000 one of the kind of Core 4 shoes of the Topo Athletic, Topo 208 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,960 Athletic line. Those four shoes are the 209 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,800 Phantom, the Atmos, the Ultrafly and the Aura. 210 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,560 Those 4 shoes within a road line account for about 75 to 80% of 211 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:12,600 our overall Rd. business. So they're they're really 212 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,040 significant part. This new version of the Atmos is 213 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,400 still going to be really designed for that person looking 214 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,240 for a running shoe or walking shoe with Max cushioning under 215 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,600 foot. The new version goes up in stock 216 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,200 height by a couple of millimeters. 217 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,480 So now it's a 40 to 35mm platform is using a slightly 218 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,480 softer and more responsive zip foam. 219 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,960 Zip foam being our Eva based daily training foam that we kind 220 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,680 of tweak the the formulation of depending on the the end use of 221 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:42,320 the product. And it also gets a new outsole 222 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,200 design as well with a bit more rubber coverage, just a slightly 223 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,880 wider platform throughout to provide more adherent stability, 224 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,160 and then maintains a really nice engineered mash to help wrap and 225 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,880 secure the foot over the platform. 226 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:55,240 I'm curious to hear your thoughts, Andrea. 227 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,280 I'm sure you can can tell me a bit more about it. 228 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,800 In my experience running in the shoe, I think it's even that 229 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,240 much better from a Max cushioning standpoint. 230 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,040 It feels a little softer under foot, maybe a little bit more 231 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,840 responsive. And it's still the go to shoe 232 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,320 that I like to run in on my recovery days or if I just want 233 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,960 to go out for a longer slower mile for some longer slower 234 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,680 miles without feeling too beat up. 235 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,240 Yeah, that's definitely what I've used at most 1/4 and what 236 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,160 I'm using at most 24 in my testing. 237 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,160 So I had to look back and see how many miles I have on at most 238 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,440 one, it's over 250 and that shoe still feels great. 239 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,040 The outsole is perfectly intact, like I'll keep running in it for 240 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,240 sure. At most two, I've got 30 miles 241 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,800 on and I've got to say it took until 20 for the midsole to 242 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:42,480 break in the 1st 20 miles. It felt pretty firm and not nice 243 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,440 and cushy like my super broken in at most one, but now it's 244 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,840 feeling much more like at most one in terms of that compliance, 245 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,440 that initial contact. And it's it's not a particularly 246 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,080 bouncy shoe, but it's just it's protective. 247 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,560 Like when you're tired, it just lets you roll along. 248 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:03,280 It doesn't really make you run faster than you want to run. 249 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:08,080 But it's always been one of my top go to shoes when I'm tired 250 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,800 and I've just got to get easy miles in. 251 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,640 I can't say I noticed the increase 2mm increase in stack 252 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,600 height, but I mean that's not really that significant. 253 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,800 At most one. I thought the traction of that 254 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,960 outsole is great and I had to when I read that at most 2 255 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,120 hadn't updated out. So I had to compare the two. 256 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:34,080 And I can see what you did to update it and it makes sense 257 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,960 that that probably will actually give a even better traction. 258 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:42,480 But my at most ones I'll just show this one because I didn't 259 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,080 bring at most one up. But basically at most one has 260 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,000 similar outsole rubber coverage heel to 4 foot. 261 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,560 This. It's just a little more filled 262 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:55,360 in here. But my at most ones there's no 263 00:13:55,360 --> 00:14:00,640 wear on any parts of the rubber. There's a little bit of wear on 264 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:06,400 the exposed midsole, but 250 miles in this outsole is not 265 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,760 going to be what limits my use of at most one. 266 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,520 It's probably going to be when the midsole finally gives way, 267 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,920 but it that doesn't feel like it's going to happen for a 268 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,600 while. So I definitely expect that for 269 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,280 Atmos 2, it's really not going to be the rubber outsole that is 270 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,080 the limiting factor in terms of its longevity. 271 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,720 But so far I've really enjoyed the miles I've put on Atmos too. 272 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,280 I enjoy them even more now that it's broken in and gotten a 273 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,760 little softer. The fit feels the same, you 274 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,040 know, very comfortable. No complaints there. 275 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,840 I know you updated the upper material a little bit. 276 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,560 It feels like a slightly thinner mesh. 277 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,000 Is that correct than Atmos 1? It's a pretty similar engineered 278 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,000 mesh. It might be marginally slimmer, 279 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,840 but if if it were, it would be maybe a 1/10 of a millimeter. 280 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,560 It's it's pretty comparable or at least it wasn't something 281 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,080 that we were specifically working towards doing with this 282 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,560 with the second version of the shoe. 283 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,160 Yeah, So I, I think it's a great update and I will definitely be 284 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,080 getting more miles on it and our full written review is probably 285 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,400 going to come out end of this week, early next week. 286 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:21,040 So you'll, I think both Matt and David have full miles on it as 287 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,160 well as myself. So yeah. 288 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,080 That's great. Well, I'm glad that you liked it 289 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,600 and look forward to reading the review. 290 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,120 Yes, let's move on since we're sticking with road first. 291 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,120 So tell us about the update to Ultrafly. 292 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,360 So Ultrafly is your lower stack stability shoe for the road. 293 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,920 That's exactly right. So Ultrafly, like you said, is 294 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,800 the lower stack height stability shoe with our line versus the 295 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,080 Aura, which we'll get to next, I'm sure, which is the Max 296 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,120 cushion stability shoe. In a lot of ways, we like to say 297 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,720 that Ultrafly is kind of the run to walk shoe within our line. 298 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,960 And from a stability perspective, while Aura might be 299 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,920 a little bit more walk to run. So for that true comfort you 300 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,720 customer or the person that's looking for maximum cushioning 301 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,520 and you know, a little bit more stability under foot, they tend 302 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,200 to gravitate towards Aura versus someone who's going to be 303 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,320 looking for a stability shoe primarily for running or likes 304 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,240 that slightly lower to the ground feel. 305 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,720 They're typically going to be using the Ultrafly. 306 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,280 This is also an all new update, so it does get a new midsole, 307 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,200 new outsole, as well as a new posting system, which we're 308 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,120 pretty excited about taking some cues from the Aura. 309 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,920 So rather than just having that posting system sit on the medial 310 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,880 side, because we've slightly increased the stack height also 311 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:42,440 2mm here and made the foam a bit softer, we wanted to bring that 312 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,680 posting system a little bit onto the heel as well. 313 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,000 So it began to engage when somebody was coming into the 314 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,600 ground right right away, especially for a heel striker. 315 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,800 So now as you can see with this black section of slightly firmer 316 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,000 foam, it wraps both on the little bit on the lateral side, 317 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,960 but wraps all the way around on the medial side as well, 318 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,920 providing light guidance to the gate cycle. 319 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,280 What we'd like to say with all of our stability shoes is that 320 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:07,920 they're not really in motion control shoes. 321 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,319 It's not meant to be something that's overly corrective. 322 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,680 It's more something that provides light guidance. 323 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,200 So it's a great shoe both for that person that does need light 324 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,760 stability or someone, you know, like me, I'll call myself out 325 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,480 who maybe I start my run as a neutral runner, but as I get up 326 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,200 into, you know, miles 78910 and my form starts to break down, I 327 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,240 can benefit from a little bit of added stability. 328 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,320 Then moving on from the platform, we now have a really 329 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,320 nice seamless jacquard mesh upper that provides that that 330 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,720 topo athletic fit just for capping off a really comfortable 331 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,920 feeling around the foot. So it's interesting you brought 332 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,640 up your, your stability needs as compared to someone who needs a 333 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,000 lot of motion control. And that's something of course 334 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,680 we talk about a lot here at Doctors of Running is that 335 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,760 people can benefit from different degrees of motion 336 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,840 control. The location of the motion 337 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,160 control that you need can vary. So some people need a lot of 338 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,960 support in the heel. Some people need more midfoot 339 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,160 stability. There are some people who even 340 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,240 need 4 foot stability or guidance. 341 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,200 So I like that you brought up that just because you are not 342 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,480 necessarily somebody who needs a ton of pronation control, you 343 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,080 can benefit from a mild amount of it because as you fatigue, 344 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,720 your body needs a little more guidance than it does at, you 345 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,440 know, miles one through 3. Yeah, exactly. 346 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,160 And ultimately I think that that's that's kind of been the 347 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,640 philosophy of Tobo is trying to at least how we approach 348 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,080 stability is trying to find that that balance where it's not 349 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,640 obtrusive, but it still works for hopefully a wide variety of 350 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,360 customers. Yeah, that's great. 351 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,640 All right, so let's talk about Aura 2, which as you mentioned 352 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,760 is your higher stack stability shoe. 353 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:59,600 So I, I received Aura one, but I'm a person who does not get 354 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,960 along with any sort of medial stability features. 355 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,800 So I did not get any miles on it. 356 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,320 But I'm interested here the updates for two because there 357 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,680 are a lot of people who are going to appreciate it. 358 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,600 Yeah, definitely Aura One was was really one of the most 359 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,960 successful first franchises that we we've ever brought out from 360 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,400 Topo. So we were really happy with how 361 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,040 the product was received in the market. 362 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,480 And it it seemed to resonate with a lot of those customers 363 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,520 who are looking for that, you know, Max cushion feel without 364 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,560 having a having the shoe feel unstable under foot. 365 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,120 And with that in mind, we didn't really want to reinvent the 366 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:37,280 wheel of this product. Working in retail myself, I I 367 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,720 know there was nothing more frustrated for frustrating for 368 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,680 customers then coming in and realizing their favorite shoe 369 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,040 had changed. So we've actually maintained the 370 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,320 same midsole and outsole as the Aura One on the Aura 2. 371 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,000 So it uses what we call our Y frame guidance system, where we 372 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,960 have the majority of the of the posting system here on the 373 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,800 medial side with just a couple of wings on the lateral side. 374 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,960 We designed it that way ideally so that it can kind of cradle 375 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,800 the back of the heel, keeping you centered over the platform 376 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,880 both when you're running, walking, or often times standing 377 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,440 in the shoe. You mentioned TR earlier, but 378 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,880 this is my my go to trade show shoe just because for long day 379 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,320 standing on concrete, it's it's really, really comfortable. 380 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,200 The upper is the biggest update here. 381 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,640 We're going to be moving to a new engineered mesh and then it 382 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,280 also updated the heel fit just a little bit, kind of shaping it 383 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,280 so that it really locks in the back of the heel, making sure 384 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,080 that we provide that, that locked in fit that's just so 385 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,320 essential to really nail the topo athletic fit that we're 386 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,360 trying to provide. Any changes to midsole weight? 387 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:43,560 Did stack height increase at all? 388 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,360 The stack height did not increase at all. 389 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:47,920 It's the same midsole and outsole platform that we used on 390 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,240 the previous version. The midsole does just get a 391 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,360 touch softer as we're continuing to refine the zip foam on, but 392 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:56,800 overall it's a a very similar under foot sensation. 393 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,280 We found that the folks that were were or right now really 394 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,720 liked a lot about it. So again, it's not something 395 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,480 that we wanted to to radically update. 396 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,960 We wanted to try and refine it, just kind of where I needed to 397 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,920 be. And it sounds like it's also 398 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,440 been a popular like standing or work shoe. 399 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,560 Is that what you're getting feedback from your retail 400 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,160 partners? Absolutely. 401 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,840 Yeah. It's, it's been really popular 402 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,440 not just with the running consumer, but also of the person 403 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,280 that might be coming into the store looking for a shoe for 404 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,880 walking or standing on their feet for an extended period of 405 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,480 time. So between the two stability 406 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,360 shoes, that's why we really say that the Aura is more of that 407 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:37,320 walk to run shoe, while the Ultra Fly is maybe a little bit 408 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,280 more runnable, but can also be walked in. 409 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,200 So it's maybe maybe semantic, maybe it's something we just say 410 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,440 to ourselves, but I think it's a nice way to differentiate the 411 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:49,280 product where Aura tends to be a little bit more popular if that 412 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,920 comforts you customer Ultrafly a little bit more with the run 413 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,280 consumer. Yeah. 414 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,960 And that's it's important to have a well differentiated line. 415 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,240 I think when you have too many shoes that are too similar, it 416 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,120 can be confusing for customers and retailers to know well, oh, 417 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:07,800 what's the right shoe for this person and their intended use. 418 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,040 Yeah, I completely. Agree. 419 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,680 Yeah, it seems like Ultraflyn or are pretty well differentiated 420 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,360 because the stack height difference is over 10mm, right? 421 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,240 Not quite 10 anymore. Right now it's I'm trying to 422 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,840 remember I. For whatever reason I'm having a 423 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,040 tough time remembering what our ultrafly stack height is off the 424 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,960 top of my head, but I think it's about a 6mm difference at this 425 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,200 .0. OK, got it. 426 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,600 All right, So let's actually let since we've been talking about 427 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,760 Rd. let's talk about your new kind of Rd. slash gym shoe. 428 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,200 I'm actually really excited to test this. 429 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,880 So you've got a new minimalist trainer for 2026, even more 430 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,000 minimal than ST6. So can you tell us about that? 431 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,400 Yeah, absolutely. So we've got the the Connect. 432 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,560 So Connect is, as you said, a brand new shoe from Topo and 433 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,800 it's going to be the most minimal shoe we've ever put out 434 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,320 within our line. So this is the first product 435 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,640 Topo has ever made that doesn't have a midsole. 436 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,480 It's a Vibram outsole bonded directly onto the upper. 437 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:09,960 So with the insole in the shoe, the Ortholoid insole in the 438 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,720 shoe, the total stack height is 10 1/2 millimeters. 439 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,960 But we know there are customers that want a little bit more 440 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,480 volume or even a closer ride. So what we've done is we've 441 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,280 finished the strobe board with a textile top cover. 442 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,760 So you can actually remove the insole and wear the shoe just as 443 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,080 is. And with the insole removed, the 444 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,280 total stack height is 5 1/2 millimeters. 445 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,200 So you're you're really very close to the ground. 446 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,240 Our our intention with the shoe was to clearly create a multi 447 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,320 terrain minimal option. So while the St. is a little bit 448 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,760 more Rd. focused, the connect lives within our trail line and 449 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,760 has a full coverage V room access track sole with light 450 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,960 lugging. That makes it great not just for 451 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,520 use on on the road or in the gym, but also on mild to 452 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,680 moderate terrain. So you can use it on on trail 453 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,960 without having to worry about losing a sense of traction or 454 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:02,720 confidence when you're walking in the shoe. 455 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,240 Something that we find for the minimal consumer, at least in 456 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,840 the way they engage with Topo is that often times the person 457 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,120 purchasing shoes in this category, like for example, with 458 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:16,360 the St. they weren't buying a minimal running shoe. 459 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,000 They were buying a minimal shoe because they want to have that 460 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,040 in all aspects of their life. They like that comfort of the 461 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,720 shoe. They like the idea that it's 462 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,360 continuing to strengthen their feet across a variety of 463 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:28,680 activities and they want something that they can wear 464 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,000 across multiple use cases. So that's really where we 465 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,640 started when we are developing the Connect is how do we create 466 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,560 a product that gives someone even that much more confidence 467 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,800 and that much more comfort across a variety of terrain in 468 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,880 the minimal category? OK, so comparing it to ST6, 469 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,280 let's see. ST6 has a stack height of 14. 470 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,240 Exactly. Yeah, No 14, you're right on. 471 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,680 All right. And so with the insulin connect 472 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,960 is 8. Without it, it's 5. 473 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,040 With the insulin, it's 10. 10 got it. 474 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,280 And how about the weight difference between the two? 475 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,560 I'm assuming that outsole of the Kinect is a little heavier than 476 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,800 the ST6. It it is a bit heavier, if you 477 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,200 want I can I can pull the weight. 478 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,960 I don't know the exact weight off the top of. 479 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:18,120 My head, no worries. So for someone who already has 480 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:22,440 the ST6 and is interested in the Kinect, how do you think it's 481 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,960 going to feel different for them besides just being a little bit 482 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,600 closer to the ground? So like you said with the St. 483 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,800 you do have that midsole phone, so the St. might feel a little 484 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,000 like a little softer, but you do get that feeling of a midsole. 485 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,360 So we do know that for some of the customers that are really 486 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,760 looking for that most minimal experience, they don't want a 487 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,360 midsole at all on the shoe. They want to be totally 488 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,360 connected to the ground with the rubber under foot. 489 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,400 So this ride on the Kinect is going to feel a little bit more 490 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,600 immediate. You're going to be really aware 491 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,120 of what's under foot and it's going to be that much more 492 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,760 natural or that much more kind of close to the ground than what 493 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,880 you get in the STI. Think that for the person that's 494 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,200 going to be using the shoe for running, especially road 495 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,400 running, I guess it depends on the consumer, but I think the 496 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,680 St. would take a little bit of the sting out of the road while 497 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,440 still giving you a nice minimal experience. 498 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,840 But if you really want that exceptionally close to the 499 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,960 ground ride or you want a shoe that maybe works in a variety of 500 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,040 terrain a little bit better, like you want to take that shoe 501 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,640 off road or in the gym, and you want the confidence that that 502 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,840 full coverage rubber gives you the connect is probably going to 503 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,560 be the way to go. Very interesting and I like that 504 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,600 you've made that shoe with the option to remove the insole and 505 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,080 you've got that nice refined strobel in there. 506 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,360 One, I love the St. five I've been using that at the gym for a 507 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,480 year, but I'd say my one gripe about it is I just don't get 508 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,000 along well with much having any arch support in a shoe at all. 509 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,640 And I started finding that the Ortho light in full of the St. 510 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,080 just kind of got in the way when I was doing certain exercises. 511 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,120 And I would love to just take the insole out of the ST5 and 512 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,120 then I think it would be the perfect shoe for me. 513 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,800 So I'll have to try the connect at the gym and see if that's 514 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,160 what I've been looking for. Yeah, I'm, I'm glad you brought 515 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,600 that up actually. So in most of our shoes and most 516 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,960 Hopewell athletic shoes, and I'm sure you've experienced this, 517 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,160 there is that slight built in arch support which comes from 518 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,040 the last that we use and we think also helps to really lock 519 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,680 in the fit through the mid foot and heel, which is why it exists 520 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,200 in our shoes. However, for something like the 521 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,360 like the Kinect, we know that that customer is really like you 522 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,320 looking for the most kind of flat under foot feeling they can 523 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,560 get. So we're actually using a 524 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,120 slightly different last on the Kinect that is totally flat. 525 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,320 So you really won't feel that arch at all. 526 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,640 It does still have the Ortholoid insole, but even then I don't 527 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,000 think you'll feel it quite as much. 528 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,680 And like you said, if you really want that most minimal 529 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,960 experience, you can just pull the insole and just be right up 530 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,360 against the rubber. Yeah, very interesting. 531 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,200 Excited to try that one. And actually before we move on 532 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,000 to trail shoes, let's talk about the ST6. 533 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,680 It's mostly a little bit of an upper update, right? 534 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,520 Exactly, so the midsole and outsole platform is going to 535 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,160 remain the same on the St. It's really just a refinement on 536 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,680 the upper, hopefully improving the visual aesthetic of the 537 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,240 product while still delivering the experience that people love 538 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,440 about their ST5. Awesome. 539 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,840 All right, so let's you've got a couple trail shoes that have 540 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,120 been updated, the Terra Venture and the Ultra Venture 5. 541 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,960 So can you tell our listeners the difference between the two 542 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,920 shoes and what the updates are? So I'll start with the Ultra 543 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,720 Venture. So the Ultra Venture is actually 544 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,520 the most popular shoe in our trail line today and one of the 545 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,320 most popular shoes in our line overall. 546 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,560 This is the high cushion option within our trail line that's 547 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,320 designed for use on mild to moderate train or road to trail 548 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,000 surfaces. Also what some people might call 549 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:52,960 the gravel category. So it uses a kind of moderately 550 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,040 lugged Vibram access track sole, so provides really nice traction 551 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,640 on mild to moderate train, but isn't so luggy that it is 552 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,240 uncomfortable if you have to run a section of Rd. before getting 553 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040 to the trailhead. The stack head of this product 554 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,400 remains the same as the previous version, so a 35 to 30mm 555 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,960 platform, but a new midsole design overall to improve visual 556 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,080 aesthetic and then a softer, more responsive version of zip 557 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,000 foam under foot. The upper here is a new 558 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,360 engineered mesh, so just a little bit thicker and more 559 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,760 robust than the previous version of the shoe with some 560 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,640 strategically placed overlays to add additional reinforcement, 561 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,280 both to improve the locking of the fit, but also the 562 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,280 durability. So just making sure that if you 563 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,240 do come into contact with any debris rock to root out on the 564 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,920 trail, the upper is going to stay in good shape. 565 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,240 Aside from that, all of our new trail shoes are getting a hook 566 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,040 and loop Gator attachment system, so a little bit more 567 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,760 universal. There's one attachment point 568 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,120 here on the heel and then the second attachment point here at 569 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,080 the base of the tongue. So that's the Ultra Venture. 570 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,320 Again, high cushion option for mild to moderate terrain. 571 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,240 And now what is the drop on that shoe? 572 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,280 Oh, it's a 5mm drop. Yeah, the Ultra Venture a couple 573 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,160 of years ago was like my go to work shoe for probably a year. 574 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,400 I found it very comfortable for being on my feet walking around 575 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,960 up and down from the floor doing bike fits or working with 576 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,920 patients. So I definitely agree that 577 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,560 because it's it is more of that like gravelly category, not like 578 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:32,120 to full on trail technical trail shoe, it works well for many 579 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,280 surfaces. For sure and it's it's a really 580 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,000 comfortable shoe. I know a lot of people here at 581 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,520 the topo office just use it as their day-to-day shoe too. 582 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,120 I think for exactly the reason that you're describing it is 583 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,760 that great step in comfort. The outsole works across 584 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,320 multiple terrains and I think even just the additional rubber 585 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,200 coverage compared to something on like the road provides a 586 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,560 little bit of inherent stability. 587 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,680 So it just feels, feels really nice under foot. 588 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,360 Right. And of course for a standing 589 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,080 shoe, at least for me, but I know for a lot of people having 590 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,440 a stiffer or firmer shoe is more comfortable for prolonged 591 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,200 standing than like a super soft flexible shoe. 592 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,600 I'd I completely agree. Yeah, sorry. 593 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:11,960 Go ahead. Oh. 594 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,120 So then the Terra Venture is the lower stack trail shoe that you 595 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,720 have, correct? Exactly. 596 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,920 So the Terra Venture, like you said, is a lower stock shoe. 597 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:28,080 It has a 3mm drop 25 to 22 millimeter platform and it's 598 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,160 really designed for more technical trail. 599 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,160 So the outsole here is more luggy and aggressive. 600 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,560 We have full coverage and deeper lugs and a Vibra Mega Grip 601 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,320 compound. So Megagrip is a bit of a tacky 602 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,040 rubber which offers better slip resistance, especially in wet 603 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,560 conditions. Despite the low stock height. 604 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,440 We do also have a rock plate here that provides some nice 605 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,920 protection from rocks and roots when you're out on technical 606 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,160 trail. We like to say that the Terra 607 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,960 Venture is a really nice run to hike shoe within our line. 608 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,000 We find that this is the shoe that a lot of people are 609 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,400 reaching for when they want a high quality shoe that does a 610 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,400 variety of activity out on the trail. 611 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,640 Oftentimes the customer who's purchasing the shoe might be 612 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,320 going out for a shorter trail run, something in that, you 613 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,000 know, 5 to 10 mile range. They want something that allows 614 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,560 them to feel the ground under foot while still having the 615 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,600 outsole that gives them the confidence to go on any types of 616 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,680 trail. And then maybe the next day they 617 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,480 would be going out for a for a hike. 618 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,520 Now that said, there are also plenty of people that use this 619 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:31,280 on the long trails around the US like the ATPCT or CDT, but we 620 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,440 really position the traverse more in that category. 621 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,920 But this new update kind of getting into what's new about 622 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,400 the shoe does use the same midsole and outsole as the 623 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,440 previous version. So like I said, that 25 to 22 624 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,600 millimeter platform beeper mega grip outsole. 625 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,920 The big update here is on the upper where we've moved to a 626 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,840 kind of a an overlaid mesh where we have this RIP stop material 627 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,040 close to the top line of the midsole, allowing for better 628 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,400 durability. Again, in case you're going to 629 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,200 be rubbing this up against anything sharper, brace it out 630 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,480 on the trail. But then we maintain this really 631 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,080 nice open engineered mesh over the top of the foot, which 632 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,160 allows for really nice ventilation, comfort and 633 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,720 drainage. Like many of our trail shoes. 634 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,000 Now we're also going to be using what we call our FKT insole, 635 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,640 which is a TPU based insole or uses TPU beads, which provides a 636 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,000 really nice soft and responsive step and feel and also doesn't 637 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,480 retain very much water. Again, just allowing the shoe to 638 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,320 drain and dry very quickly, which is especially important if 639 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,480 you're going to be spending longer days out on the trail. 640 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,960 And that shoe was also a 5 mil drop. 641 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,080 This one is a 3mm. Drop. 642 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:44,160 OK, great. So of course, I have the most 643 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,440 important question from my perspective and that is what are 644 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,640 you guys doing with my favorite topo shoe, the Cyclone? 645 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:58,160 There's no update for it in 2026, but what may be happening 646 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,320 with it in the years to come? If you can share anything? 647 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,760 I can give you a kind of a broader answer around that. 648 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,560 So with Cyclone, you know, you like many people really love it 649 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,600 for what it is as kind of our lower stock height up tempo 650 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:19,320 trainer. We think that right now there 651 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,159 might be a better way to even allow it to connect with more 652 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,440 consumers, maybe from a storytelling or a positioning 653 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,320 perspective. So we're still exploring just 654 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,679 different ways that we can maybe have a connect with a with an 655 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,960 even broader audience while still maintaining kind of the 656 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,760 core of what that shoe is or kind of the the intended use 657 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,560 case behind the product. You know, I think there's, 658 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,600 there's a real opportunity for that type of a shoe where people 659 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,679 are looking for something moderately cushioned, very fast, 660 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,800 very light under foot, both from a like kind of a track workout 661 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,840 or racing perspective, but even just from a daily training 662 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,199 perspective as well. So we're still refining exactly 663 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:56,960 how that's going to work when we go to market. 664 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,440 But we have, we have some ideas that I'm pretty excited about 665 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,760 and I, I hope you will be too once we're ready to, to share 666 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,680 with you, share them with you probably the next, you know, 6 667 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,080 to 8 months or so. That's awesome. 668 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:09,200 Yeah. And your comments about the 669 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,600 midsole change Inspector Three makes me wonder if perhaps 670 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,720 Cyclone might be getting a midsole change. 671 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,640 And then that also makes me wonder what might happen with 672 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,080 the other shoe that I really love, which is Fly Light 6. 673 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,840 Fly Light 6, for those who don't know, is a lower stack. 674 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,480 I think it's 2320 if I'm correct, but it's a little 675 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,640 heavier than the Cyclone, but I actually love using it for easy 676 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,840 runs. But I can do strides in it 677 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,560 really comfortably. But you know, in the back of my 678 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,520 mind I think, well, what would happen if you gave fly light a 679 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,240 peep, a midsole and really designed it as like you're 680 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:57,760 racing flat type shoe. So I don't know, just a it's 681 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,760 planting an idea there. Yeah, way to advocate. 682 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,960 Yeah, Yeah, that's an interesting idea. 683 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,920 I mean, there's different ways that we can go with that for 684 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,320 sure. I mean, there's a lot of 685 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,240 exciting opportunities I think with the new materializations 686 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,400 that we've had. So you know, as a definitely as 687 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,960 a growing brand, we have to be a little bit selective about where 688 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,520 we can can put our resources. But ultimately it would be great 689 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,520 to create, you know, a shoe to fill every every subcategory. 690 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,120 So on that topic, you know one thing that you guys really 691 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,640 haven't had is a true super racing shoe. 692 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,720 So is that something that is in the works? 693 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,960 I know you probably can't talk about it specifically, but like 694 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:46,720 will we see in the future a plated high energy return foam 695 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,040 racing shoe that's lightweight from topo in the next five 696 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,440 years? In the next 5 years, I, I think 697 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,680 you will, yeah. But you know, I think that there 698 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,080 is, there's a lot of really great racing product out on the 699 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,520 market today. So we've really want to take our 700 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,040 time and come to market with a product that we really think 701 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,480 competes and helps us be a little bit differentiated from 702 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,480 what's already on the market today, both with the topo 703 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,520 athletic fit and then making sure the technology is there to 704 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,840 compete. We we feel that you know, to to 705 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,160 stand out, we need to be careful with how we come to market with 706 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,640 that type of a product. And we we have been kind of 707 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,360 developing some different ideas in the background, but don't at 708 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,480 this point have a timeline of exactly when that's going to 709 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,760 hit. Market interesting along those 710 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,160 lines, you know, Cyclone two and three are really popular shoes 711 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,800 and not just with me, but I know a lot of people love them for 712 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,720 their performance trainer. Is that what you had in mind for 713 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,520 Cyclone 3? Did you think that it would 714 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,480 become like this, you know top lightweight performance trainer 715 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,760 that people love it for? Did you think it was going to 716 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,720 have a different type of years? That's a really good question. 717 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,360 When we were initially developing it, I think that we 718 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,520 were really just helping to create something that was 719 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,320 lightweight, fast and responsive. 720 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,880 Kind of I'm, I'm a bit older, so maybe dating myself date like 721 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,080 some of the, the shoes that I was running in in college, like 722 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,120 a Nike streak or something like that. 723 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,920 That just felt fast under foot, felt very lightweight and was a 724 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,600 nice kind of replacement to working out in spikes when you 725 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,480 wanted to save your calves. And that was that was kind of 726 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,160 the idea behind it. While we also wanted to have it 727 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,280 appeal to the the consumer who might be doing longer efforts on 728 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,960 the road. That's where we really felt 729 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,800 Spectre was going to shine. So we did hope that it would be 730 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,240 that more moderately cushioned up tempo trainer. 731 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,040 But beyond that, we try not to be too prescriptive with our 732 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,600 customers. So we're just happy that people 733 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,160 are enjoying the product, using it, you know, however however 734 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,120 they see best. Sure. 735 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,640 OK. So last question for you. 736 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,000 So just in general, where is Topo heading in the next five 737 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,680 years? Do you think we're going to see 738 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,960 a lot more innovation with foams, with geometry? 739 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,520 Both. And of course, when I think of 740 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,240 topo, I primarily think of the fit. 741 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:06,080 It's so comfortable. It's shaped like a foot, but 742 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,000 it's not sloppy. You guys do a great job with 743 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,400 geometries. You have some of my favorite 744 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,880 shoes, but where are your shoes in general headed in the next 745 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,720 several years? Well, first, thank you so much. 746 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,280 We really appreciate your support and I hope we can 747 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,360 continue to make shoes that that meet your expectations or hope 748 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,320 in some cases exceed them. Just because you mentioned the 749 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,600 fit. The first thing I'll say is that 750 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,560 we we have no plans to change our fit. 751 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,640 That's something that we we will not be changing. 752 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,000 We really use almost the same last across all of our product 753 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,360 and try and create a very consistent fit model to model 754 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,240 and that's going to continue to be our strategy going forward. 755 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,200 So hopefully someone can have an almost plug and play approach 756 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,480 when they're coming into the brand. 757 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:52,120 But looking ahead, I think that there's more opportunity for 758 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,120 Tofu to grow kind of kind of across different channels where 759 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,880 we've been really happy with the reception that we've gotten to 760 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,040 product like the cyclone inspector. 761 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,120 So we do hope to kind of continue to develop some more 762 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,840 product that maybe lives in what we would call more of a 763 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,560 performance category, which we're we're really excited 764 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,400 about. And then within the daily 765 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,160 training category, we want to just continue to evolve the 766 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,360 materials that we're using, always staying on the latest 767 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,000 trends, staying up with the latest materials, creating the 768 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,640 best consumer experiences that we can, both from a materials 769 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,240 and a geometry perspective. So it's always great to, you 770 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,440 know, see what's coming new at the different trade shows or 771 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,480 what's being introduced to us by our sourcing team. 772 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,120 But then also hearing feedback from customers on the geometries 773 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,760 that they're liking within Topo shoes within the market in 774 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,120 general or reading even, you know, doctors are running 775 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,720 reviews where you guys, like I said earlier, just just just 776 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,160 such a good job breaking down the components of the shoes, 777 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,040 what you like, what you feel can be improved. 778 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,440 I think there's there's a lot of opportunity and a lot of 779 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,720 excitement here at Topo about what the future holds. 780 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,400 Yeah, I mean, I think topo in my mind almost every other running 781 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,520 shoe company is chasing the maximum stack, you know, road 782 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,000 and more and more runners. And I have a friend who owns a 783 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,960 running store locally and she says more runners are coming in 784 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,080 and saying I just can't run in these, you know, 40 plus stack 785 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,000 height shoes anymore. I need something lower. 786 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,520 But the options are dwindling and Topo is one of the few 787 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,800 brands that is actually maintaining a number of shoes 788 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,600 with stack heights in the 20s and even the teens. 789 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:37,040 So I think in my mind, you're gonna be well positioned for, I 790 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,720 don't want to use the word backlash, but for people who are 791 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,080 tired of their only options being shoes where they can't 792 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,040 feel the ground and don't let them just run where you've got 793 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,240 these shoes that feel like they're running for you. 794 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:55,600 So I am personally very grateful for the shoes that you have 795 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,480 because I, I am one of those people who is kind of tired and 796 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,920 running the in all of these super high stack shoes. 797 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,040 So glad to hear that you won't be changing your fit anytime 798 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,720 soon. I know that you'll keep offering 799 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,720 all of your great lower stack options. 800 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,640 So excited for the years to come. 801 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,440 Thanks Sandra. Any other closing things that 802 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,080 you think our listeners should know about your 2026 line? 803 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,680 Anything that we didn't talk about that might be interesting 804 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,680 for our listeners. What do you think, Carolyn? 805 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,240 Was there anything that that we missed? 806 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:31,560 I. Think the only thing that we 807 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,240 didn't talk about was the introduction of Vortex, if you 808 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:35,600 want to speak about that a little bit. 809 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:41,920 Sure. So in fall 26, we're going to be 810 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,200 introducing Gore Tex as the waterproof membrane for Topo. 811 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,960 So that'll be coming on three products initially, which are 812 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,520 the Ultra Venture GTX, Terra Venture GTX and then our Trail 813 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,240 Venture boot. We're going to be using the Gore 814 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:57,960 Tex Invisible fit system, which is a a really great 815 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,800 waterproofing system, not only from its ability to hold water 816 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,840 out of the shoe and keep you feeling very dry and 817 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,760 comfortable, but it's also a very thin membrane. 818 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,080 So it's not a traditional booty system where there's a thicker 819 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,560 booty that's then cemented inside of the upper of the shoe. 820 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,320 This system is laminated directly onto the upper 821 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,400 material. What that means for the customer 822 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,440 is that it's even more lightweight and maintains a very 823 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,040 consistent fit between waterproof and non waterproof 824 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,200 product. And that's really what attracted 825 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,880 us to this this technology from Gore. 826 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,040 Like we were saying earlier in this conversation, we really try 827 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,880 and maintain thick consistency all through the Topo line. 828 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,280 And a challenge in the past has been transparently with our 829 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,360 waterproof product where just because of that booty, the the 830 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,000 product fit a little bit snugger than we really would want it to, 831 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,600 especially for people that are coming to Topo for the fit 832 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,680 experience that we provide. So we're we're really excited to 833 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,800 be introducing this technology and think that it provides that 834 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,160 much of A better experience for the person using waterproof 835 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,680 product within our line. Oh interesting, I would agree 836 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,560 that I've noticed that you're waterproof. 837 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,600 Some of your waterproof shoes fit more snug although you're 838 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,320 waterproof boot. I'm forgetting what it's called 839 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,160 but like the only above the ankle one. 840 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,880 The Trail Venture. Yes. 841 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,240 Is it the trail? Yeah, the Trail Venture. 842 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,320 That one fits just as comfortably as like Atmos does 843 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,160 for me. SO and I for some reason thought 844 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,200 that you were using Gore Tex previously. 845 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,680 What were you using for your waterproofing? 846 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:24,880 We were using event as our waterproofing previously. 847 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,200 OK, so. Again, we still think is a great 848 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,400 waterproofing system. The reason that we're moving off 849 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,080 of it had nothing to do with its ability to to keep the foot dry. 850 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,320 It had a lot more to do with just maintaining that 851 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,240 consistency of fit that we were trying to provide. 852 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,960 Great, so your Gore Tex shoes will be available fall of 26. 853 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,360 Exactly. Great. 854 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,920 Well, Russ and Carolyn, thank you so much for joining me 855 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,800 today. I've learned so much about your 856 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,880 2026 line and I have hope for my favorite topo topo shoes for the 857 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,200 future. Looking forward to seeing where 858 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,440 things head. So once again, for our 859 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,840 listeners, if you have any questions, throw them in the 860 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,240 comments down below. If you're watching on YouTube, 861 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,680 you can e-mail us at doctorsofrunning@gmail.com. 862 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,640 We'd love to hear from you and Russ and Carolyn. 863 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,040 Have a great rest of your day all. 864 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,200 Right. Thanks so much, Andrea. 865 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,160 Thank you. Thank you.