1 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,300 Hey everyone, and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast, 2 00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:14,050 where we, a group of Doctors of Physical Therapy, talk about the 3 00:00:14,050 --> 00:00:16,798 art and the science of the things we put on our feet. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,538 Today we have quite the crew here. 5 00:00:18,539 --> 00:00:21,538 We have Dr. Myers, Dr. Salas, and me, Matthew Klein. 6 00:00:21,539 --> 00:00:25,091 We are going to talk about our mid-year favorites, and we were 7 00:00:25,091 --> 00:00:28,347 also really excited to celebrate our 300th episode, which I have 8 00:00:28,347 --> 00:00:31,298 been thinking about the whole morning being like, wow, like, 9 00:00:31,298 --> 00:00:33,658 this has been going on a good time. 10 00:00:33,659 --> 00:00:36,074 And it's kind of crazy because we, you know, this is something 11 00:00:36,074 --> 00:00:38,099 we do on the side. We all have our own lives. 12 00:00:38,100 --> 00:00:40,835 We all have our own careers. This is something we do for fun 13 00:00:40,835 --> 00:00:43,332 and try to support ourselves and each other and other people 14 00:00:43,332 --> 00:00:45,179 with. And crazy to be here. 15 00:00:45,179 --> 00:00:49,114 So happy 300th episode. Uh, I still remember one of the 16 00:00:49,114 --> 00:00:52,520 1st ones that David, um, Nathan and I did and just put this 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,136 together and started putting stuff out there and Andrea was 18 00:00:55,136 --> 00:00:58,529 nice enough to help come and join us and help clean things up 19 00:00:58,529 --> 00:01:01,139 and same thing with Block and BJ ever since then. 20 00:01:01,140 --> 00:01:03,840 So really thankful for the incredible team and hopefully 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,840 you all have enjoyed the content, whether you're an OG 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,938 listener and know some of the references. 23 00:01:08,939 --> 00:01:12,825 So if this shoe is a pizza, what kind of pizza would be, if you 24 00:01:12,825 --> 00:01:14,638 get that or if you're new, great. 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,338 We should start something at the end again. like that. 26 00:01:17,340 --> 00:01:21,333 But anyway, let's jump in to in for testing segments because 27 00:01:21,333 --> 00:01:25,191 we'll talk about some of the best stuff mid-year. we 1st got 28 00:01:25,191 --> 00:01:27,358 to tell you what, say, what we are testing right now. 29 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:30,358 So, Andrea, what are you testing at the moment? 30 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:33,079 Right now, I'm not testing anything because I'm taking a 31 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:36,343 little off-season right now, so I haven't run a few days, but 32 00:01:36,343 --> 00:01:39,058 I'll be back running at the end of next week. 33 00:01:39,060 --> 00:01:42,718 And I am so excited for all of the shoes that have shown up. 34 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:45,718 So, I've been complaining a lot this year. 35 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:51,478 I feel just about the lack of good normal daily trainers. 36 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,747 Like, I feel like everything we've got is high stack and 37 00:01:54,747 --> 00:01:58,014 soft, which makes me very crabby, but someone has heard my 38 00:01:58,014 --> 00:02:01,270 complaints because I've gotten a lot of shoes that I'm super 39 00:02:01,270 --> 00:02:03,663 excited to test. Starting with the Saucony 40 00:02:03,663 --> 00:02:08,175 Kinvara, which I ran in the original Kinvara way back in the 41 00:02:08,175 --> 00:02:12,687 day, I really loved that shoe up until, I don't know which 42 00:02:12,687 --> 00:02:15,695 number, but they started changing it, started getting 43 00:02:15,695 --> 00:02:19,831 narrower in the toe box, a little taller, a little stiffer, 44 00:02:19,831 --> 00:02:24,343 but this one is definitely the widest toe box Kenvara I have 45 00:02:24,343 --> 00:02:26,868 tested. Um, I can't wait to get some 46 00:02:26,868 --> 00:02:31,468 miles on it, so I can report back to you what I think, but I 47 00:02:31,468 --> 00:02:35,180 have high hopes for it. Another exciting shoe that came 48 00:02:35,180 --> 00:02:40,844 in, which I also haven't run in yet, is the Mizuno Waverider 30, 49 00:02:40,844 --> 00:02:44,638 which it's a total redesign. It's 8 millimeter drop. 50 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,079 It's lower stack, it's lighter. It feels awesome on foot. 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,532 So again, I'm just so pumped to get back to running and get some 52 00:02:53,532 --> 00:02:56,998 of these shoes on my feet. Sweet. 53 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,378 David, what do you got? Oh, sorry. 54 00:02:58,379 --> 00:03:00,641 Yeah. I have one shoe that I've 55 00:03:00,641 --> 00:03:04,194 actually gotten some miles on, which I'm excited to test more, 56 00:03:04,194 --> 00:03:06,778 and that is the Brooks Hyperion Elite 6. 57 00:03:06,780 --> 00:03:11,208 I don't think I've tested any of the Hyperion elites because I 58 00:03:11,208 --> 00:03:16,005 think they sent me the four, the five, the wrong size, like a 59 00:03:16,005 --> 00:03:19,318 really small one and they didn't have my size. 60 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:22,438 So this is the 1st one I've tested that is actually my size. 61 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:25,679 I think it'll be a really great marathon shoe. 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,630 Feels a little clunky for running faster paces, but I'm 63 00:03:29,630 --> 00:03:34,362 excited to test it in like some up-tempo medium long runs and 64 00:03:34,362 --> 00:03:37,378 see how it performs. Great. 65 00:03:37,379 --> 00:03:39,658 David, what about you guys? David, what do you got? 66 00:03:39,659 --> 00:03:42,239 Yeah, so I've got the Waverider 30 as well. 67 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,718 I like your color way. It's like very summery looking. 68 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:47,218 That's the 1st time I'd seen that one. 69 00:03:47,219 --> 00:03:51,179 Mine is very much like go USA. Oh, nice. 70 00:03:51,180 --> 00:03:54,424 Or like the those old popsicles, you know, with the little 71 00:03:54,424 --> 00:03:56,519 rocket. The firecracker pops? 72 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,918 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks kind of like that. 73 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:01,295 Are those still around? I haven't seen one of those in a 74 00:04:01,295 --> 00:04:02,459 long time. Oh, that's a good question. 75 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:04,978 Yeah. Anyways, yeah. 76 00:04:04,979 --> 00:04:06,718 But I think it actually went up, I believe. 77 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:09,666 I think it's like 41 or 42. Oh, really? 78 00:04:09,666 --> 00:04:13,206 The stack height might be the same or a little bit higher, the 79 00:04:13,206 --> 00:04:16,197 heel drop is the biggest thing, whereas now an 8 millimeter 80 00:04:16,197 --> 00:04:19,190 drop, which there has never been, to my knowledge, a wave 81 00:04:19,190 --> 00:04:23,182 rider that's been that. It's always been 12, if not 14, 82 00:04:23,182 --> 00:04:26,999 13, 14 millimeter drop. So it's it's a different shoe. 83 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,819 It's also not firm, which is very odd. 84 00:04:29,819 --> 00:04:31,890 Yeah. And I think they changed the 85 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:34,295 plate too. It's not like that classic like 86 00:04:34,295 --> 00:04:37,284 PEBA plastic wave plate. It a little bit more like, um, 87 00:04:37,284 --> 00:04:40,104 it almost looks like a nylon or something, like some kind of 88 00:04:40,104 --> 00:04:42,879 like family kind of plate. I think it is, and I would have 89 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:45,206 to look this up. I think it is still PEBA, but 90 00:04:45,206 --> 00:04:47,602 how it feels is very different from what they've done plate 91 00:04:47,602 --> 00:04:49,447 wise. So I think you are right, how 92 00:04:49,447 --> 00:04:50,772 exactly? I think it's still PEBA, but how 93 00:04:50,772 --> 00:04:51,959 they did it. I think it's different. 94 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:54,727 Yeah. So I brought the Waverider 30 as 95 00:04:54,727 --> 00:04:57,239 well. Initial step in is great. 96 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,459 I actually think I'm gonna really like that shoe. 97 00:04:59,459 --> 00:05:02,039 It's a new era for the Waverider for sure. 98 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,877 Like, it definitely feels different from previous 99 00:05:03,877 --> 00:05:06,473 versions. The other 2 that I have, both 100 00:05:06,473 --> 00:05:08,267 road trainers. Now, I've actually been kind of 101 00:05:08,267 --> 00:05:09,959 sick this last week, so I haven't run either. 102 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:12,239 So it's like, it's been kind of up and down. 103 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,072 If you've been following my running, unfortunately, but 104 00:05:14,072 --> 00:05:15,899 we're gonna try and get that consistency back. 105 00:05:15,899 --> 00:05:19,319 Um, but Hoka Clifton 11, excited for this one. 106 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:22,868 I've been a longtime fan of the Clifton, pretty much all the way 107 00:05:22,868 --> 00:05:26,099 back to like Clifton 5 or so. Clifton 5 or six. 108 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:29,858 Although that one I remember 6 like tore up the medial part of 109 00:05:29,858 --> 00:05:32,459 my arch because it was so narrow in there. 110 00:05:32,459 --> 00:05:34,199 But it's gotten better over the years. 111 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:36,280 And that continues here. I feel like the upper is a lot 112 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:38,040 better. Um, kind of a continuation on 113 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,235 the 10. I think it's still that 8 114 00:05:40,235 --> 00:05:43,292 millimeter drop, I believe. that they changed to, you know, from 115 00:05:43,292 --> 00:05:46,079 the previous versions, because they used to all be five. 116 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:48,899 And then the other one is the Clifton Pro. 117 00:05:48,899 --> 00:05:52,512 So this would be a supercritical EVA, um, and just kind of dial 118 00:05:52,512 --> 00:05:55,559 in rocker design, a little bit more of a podular outsole. 119 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,982 I think they're just trying to get you a little bit more of a 120 00:05:57,982 --> 00:05:59,922 plush experience underfoot. I think this one, ironically, is 121 00:05:59,922 --> 00:06:02,283 actually a little bit heavier than the regular Clifton, which 122 00:06:02,283 --> 00:06:05,587 I think is kind of a funny thing calling it pro and then making 123 00:06:05,587 --> 00:06:09,179 it heavier. Um, but it feels good. 124 00:06:09,180 --> 00:06:11,988 You know, I don't, it kind of feels like what I would expect 125 00:06:11,988 --> 00:06:14,580 the Bondi to feel to the Clifton, so I'm curious to see 126 00:06:14,580 --> 00:06:16,439 what they do with that. You know what I mean? 127 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:19,319 Like if you're going to have a premium version of the shoe. 128 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:22,155 Like it feels like the Bondi would be that to the Clifton 129 00:06:22,155 --> 00:06:24,479 like it's always been. So I don't know. 130 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,931 I'm just curious to see what they do down the road with the 131 00:06:26,931 --> 00:06:29,159 Bondi. Um, but it's nice, yeah. 132 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,643 And then the other one, this is one that I've been meaning to 133 00:06:31,643 --> 00:06:34,508 get that I would have had miles on if I didn't get sick, is the 134 00:06:34,508 --> 00:06:38,288 Ultra Venture 5 from Topo. So, I'm super excited about that 135 00:06:38,288 --> 00:06:40,775 one. It actually feels great on foot, 136 00:06:40,775 --> 00:06:44,197 nice and stable platform. Like it, it's kind of classic 137 00:06:44,197 --> 00:06:46,619 Topo, honestly, just good solid fit, lockdown. 138 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:48,719 It's not the lugs aren't super deep. 139 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,579 It's definitely like one of those shoes where you can kind 140 00:06:50,579 --> 00:06:53,160 of go alter terrain on. And, um, yeah, it's actually 141 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,633 surprisingly plush for a topo, but still feels, you know, 142 00:06:56,633 --> 00:07:00,797 secure and it's still on the firmer side of foams, I would 143 00:07:00,797 --> 00:07:04,880 say, but it's soft for topo. But yeah, you're holding up the 144 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,259 GTX version there. Yeah, I would definitely say 145 00:07:07,259 --> 00:07:09,867 I've loved the GTX version. Ironically, not, it hasn't 146 00:07:09,867 --> 00:07:12,399 rained that much here recently. Like we're definitely in this 147 00:07:12,399 --> 00:07:14,399 dry spot where it's actually been hotter, but the Ultra 148 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:17,010 Venture has just been a shoe. I really loved, and this version 149 00:07:17,010 --> 00:07:19,199 has been my go-to walking shoe. I have run in it. 150 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:20,759 The only challenge is with it being hotter. 151 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:23,811 The GTA, the Gortex version, it makes it really difficult to do 152 00:07:23,811 --> 00:07:26,351 that, but for everything else that's been great, I'm still 153 00:07:26,351 --> 00:07:29,145 running it and outside of my feet getting hot, which makes 154 00:07:29,145 --> 00:07:30,731 sense. Grips, good, cushioning's good, 155 00:07:30,731 --> 00:07:33,719 just really nice to have that whiter toe box. 156 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,415 Still with the 5 millimeter drop, which kind of offsets a 157 00:07:36,415 --> 00:07:38,374 little bit. And for whatever reason, it does 158 00:07:38,374 --> 00:07:41,434 feel like a more rockered ride. So if that's something you want, 159 00:07:41,434 --> 00:07:42,829 great. That's been nice for offloading 160 00:07:42,829 --> 00:07:45,767 my Achilles tendon a little bit, which is doing a lot better, but 161 00:07:45,767 --> 00:07:48,478 still nice to have that because I am recovering from doing a 162 00:07:48,478 --> 00:07:50,503 mile race in track spikes pushing a stroller, which 163 00:07:50,503 --> 00:07:53,203 definitely set that tendon back, but not as quick as I thought, 164 00:07:53,203 --> 00:07:56,019 and not as much as I thought. So it's actually doing pretty 165 00:07:56,019 --> 00:07:58,003 well, all things considered, basically racing in a 166 00:07:58,003 --> 00:08:00,039 negative-drop shoe. So, yeah, that's what I've got 167 00:08:00,039 --> 00:08:03,011 on my feet very frequently. Um, I have similar things to 168 00:08:03,011 --> 00:08:05,399 what you 2 have. The Waverider. 169 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:07,679 I got almost 40 miles in the shoe. 170 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,227 I really am enjoying this. I think the fit is back to being 171 00:08:11,227 --> 00:08:14,084 a Waverider, which is generally a little bit wider, especially 172 00:08:14,084 --> 00:08:16,799 wider toe box. The last version, 29 was weird. 173 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,799 It was like really narrow sole, narrow fit. 174 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,003 I did not like it, and it was not stable enough to me, and 175 00:08:23,003 --> 00:08:24,599 Wave Riders are typically pretty stable neutral. 176 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,719 This one moves back where the sole's wider. 177 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,999 You can see the foam is a lot softer. 178 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,578 So like the fit feels like a Waverider. 179 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:35,956 The midsole does not, like, it's got that, like, like the 180 00:08:35,956 --> 00:08:40,546 whispers of a spirit of it, and I can feel it a little bit, but, 181 00:08:40,546 --> 00:08:43,912 like, an 8 millimeter drop, lowers, like, lower heel drop is 182 00:08:43,912 --> 00:08:47,278 just so weird to feel in a writer, but it works. 183 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:49,259 And I am really enjoying this shoe. 184 00:08:49,259 --> 00:08:52,305 I done a workout in it. I've done long run, I've done 185 00:08:52,305 --> 00:08:54,060 easy runs. Like, I'm really, really 186 00:08:54,060 --> 00:08:57,828 enjoying it, and it might show up in a few minutes as a really 187 00:08:57,828 --> 00:09:01,056 solid shoe, just, I don't know, it's, It's a Waverider, but it's 188 00:09:01,056 --> 00:09:02,939 a different Waverider, which also makes sense. 189 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:07,319 Um, other shoe. I have the Clifton 11 as well. 190 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,778 Been walking in it, habit, running it yet. 191 00:09:09,779 --> 00:09:11,975 I think a little bit of my hesitation to running it just 192 00:09:11,975 --> 00:09:13,798 yet as my feet have been a little bit sore. 193 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:17,579 And the last version just took forever to break in. 194 00:09:17,580 --> 00:09:19,678 Like, even though it's definitely stable neutral. 195 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,259 It felt kind of clunky in the previous version. 196 00:09:22,259 --> 00:09:24,719 I'm getting a teeny bit of that. walking's been fine. 197 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,459 I just need to bite the bullet and go run it in. 198 00:09:26,460 --> 00:09:28,860 Probably going to do that this afternoon and be like, yeah, let 199 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:30,899 me just fine. The upper is a lot better. 200 00:09:30,899 --> 00:09:34,892 I feel like some of the a lot of Hoka is known to get like that 201 00:09:34,892 --> 00:09:36,899 more narrow fit. I feel like there's a little bit 202 00:09:36,899 --> 00:09:38,879 more room and it's a little bit more comfortable the upper. 203 00:09:38,879 --> 00:09:41,939 So normally I kind of poo-poo like, oh, it's an upper update. 204 00:09:41,940 --> 00:09:43,469 Why did you do that? This version, I'm like, oh, no, 205 00:09:43,469 --> 00:09:46,079 no, no, I think this was a good idea and it feels a lot better. 206 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,152 So that's that. And then the last one that I 207 00:09:50,152 --> 00:09:53,939 have when I'm not running in the Saucony Omni, where'd that go? 208 00:09:53,940 --> 00:09:59,412 Uh, which will also show up, is, as Andrea mentioned, the Brooks 209 00:09:59,412 --> 00:10:02,627 Hyperion Elite 6. And I have run in every single 210 00:10:02,627 --> 00:10:05,787 version of the Brooks Hyperion Elite, whether it was sent to me 211 00:10:05,787 --> 00:10:09,418 or I bought it. Um, this is just so much better. 212 00:10:09,419 --> 00:10:11,519 I don't think, again, Andrea mentioned this. 213 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:15,464 It's still not exactly where I would hope this to be, but I'm 214 00:10:15,464 --> 00:10:18,265 not the one designing shoes. I understand where they went 215 00:10:18,265 --> 00:10:20,639 with this. It is firmer. 216 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:21,959 I still have to go up a half size. 217 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,853 I've done in literally every Brooks recently, so this is a 218 00:10:24,853 --> 00:10:27,831 10.5 . normally I'm a 10. That does make the plate sit a 219 00:10:27,831 --> 00:10:30,387 little bit longer, so it's kind of like stiff and snappy under 220 00:10:30,387 --> 00:10:32,647 foot. It's not as soft as the previous 221 00:10:32,647 --> 00:10:34,470 version. I found the previous version and 222 00:10:34,470 --> 00:10:37,785 I got a decent number of miles in it really narrow, kind of 223 00:10:37,785 --> 00:10:41,399 felt mushy and not stable. That medial cutout killed me. 224 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:44,699 This one, they filled it in. There's a sidewall right there. 225 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:46,199 So it's definitely been a lot more stable. 226 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,769 I'm not ready to call it stable neutral yet, but Andrea also 227 00:10:49,769 --> 00:10:52,739 mentioned, it works really well for tempo and longer efforts. 228 00:10:52,740 --> 00:10:55,819 Trying to turn over really quick has been a bit of a struggle for 229 00:10:55,819 --> 00:10:57,775 me. I did one of the 1st things I 230 00:10:57,775 --> 00:11:00,379 did, and this was a track workout, and I just like, I 231 00:11:00,379 --> 00:11:02,974 could not get it to move until I started realizing that landing 232 00:11:02,974 --> 00:11:04,918 at the rear foot really helped propel it forward. 233 00:11:04,919 --> 00:11:07,574 The forefoot's firmer, stiffer. Rear foot is where it starts to 234 00:11:07,574 --> 00:11:09,058 break in and get a little bit more bounced. 235 00:11:09,059 --> 00:11:11,867 So I'm still figuring this shoe out at about 25 miles and still 236 00:11:11,867 --> 00:11:14,883 need to get some more stuff on it and got some races coming up 237 00:11:14,883 --> 00:11:18,108 trying to figure out if I want to use it for a race, but it's 238 00:11:18,108 --> 00:11:19,798 more stable. things are filled in. 239 00:11:19,799 --> 00:11:22,798 Um, fit if you go half size up is really nice. 240 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:24,899 Like I've got plenty of room in the forefoot. 241 00:11:24,899 --> 00:11:29,006 Um, I would not want to go true to size because I don't want 242 00:11:29,006 --> 00:11:31,793 something crushing my toes. Andrea, I don't know how you 243 00:11:31,793 --> 00:11:35,287 feel with the true size for you because yours is a women's men's 244 00:11:35,287 --> 00:11:37,439 8 women's 9.5 . How did you feel? 245 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,080 Actually, fits true to size for me, which is surprising because 246 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,751 if a shoe is on the edge, I normally do need to go up, but I 247 00:11:43,751 --> 00:11:46,139 have enough room for my big toe. It's plenty wide. 248 00:11:46,139 --> 00:11:48,418 Right. Yeah, that's great. 249 00:11:48,419 --> 00:11:51,331 So maybe I should have gotten with a 10 and that might be 250 00:11:51,331 --> 00:11:54,019 making it a little bit firmer, but it's a lot better than 251 00:11:54,019 --> 00:11:56,309 what's come in the past. And so I think they're moving 252 00:11:56,309 --> 00:11:58,356 things forward. I just think it, like you 253 00:11:58,356 --> 00:12:00,559 mentioned, it is more longer distance focused than 254 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,759 necessarily shorter, but it's also a lot lighter. 255 00:12:02,759 --> 00:12:06,026 Finally, finally, we're in that sub 7 ounce range, which is 256 00:12:06,026 --> 00:12:08,099 like, okay, good, because you're doing great. 257 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:09,839 I know who's responsible for this. 258 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,639 I know it took time to get the shoot of market. 259 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:13,739 You're doing great. Won't name names. 260 00:12:13,740 --> 00:12:18,239 BJ refers to her as best friend, but that's fine. 261 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,739 So yeah, that's what I got. Are we ready to move on? 262 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:25,678 Yeah. Oh, one more thing, actually. 263 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,415 Yeah. This is more in regards to the 264 00:12:28,415 --> 00:12:31,830 300th episode. Being in the corner of where I 265 00:12:31,830 --> 00:12:35,148 record. I am unable to do this, but I 266 00:12:35,148 --> 00:12:38,808 had this vision of having something standing, like in the 267 00:12:38,808 --> 00:12:43,200 middle of the frame, and then screaming, this is DOR, and then 268 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,859 kicking it in honor of 300 off of the screen. 269 00:12:46,860 --> 00:12:50,325 I just wanted to get... I had a similar thought, David, 270 00:12:50,325 --> 00:12:53,158 like, we should do something aligned with that movie. 271 00:12:53,159 --> 00:12:54,359 Yeah. Yes. 272 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,443 But you know, I could still replicate this in a reel or 273 00:12:57,443 --> 00:12:58,979 something for when this releases, right? 274 00:12:58,980 --> 00:13:03,322 So maybe if you're listening to this and then you see some crazy 275 00:13:03,322 --> 00:13:06,986 real of me kicking, who knows what, down some stairs or 276 00:13:06,986 --> 00:13:08,424 something. That's probably what that's 277 00:13:08,424 --> 00:13:11,640 about. Um, but yeah, I was like, it 278 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,558 just feels 300. I don't know. 279 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:19,043 I just, but I'm like, I couldn't do anything like rash, like 280 00:13:19,043 --> 00:13:21,283 crazy. Matt, just like dumping his 281 00:13:21,283 --> 00:13:25,199 whole sheer wall on the floor while yelling, this is 300. 282 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,613 Find a well somewhere and just kick the shoes that I don't like 283 00:13:28,613 --> 00:13:33,359 into the well. This is not stable enough, kick. 284 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,079 How many times do I talk about heel levels kick? 285 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,168 Yeah. 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So again, check that out if 321 00:15:15,344 --> 00:15:16,379 that's you're interested in apparel. 322 00:15:16,379 --> 00:15:18,719 He has pants 10 years old because they are 10 years old. 323 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,839 I know, I just realized that I said that right when... 324 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,849 I don't remember. He said something, but he did 325 00:15:23,849 --> 00:15:25,319 get something when they 1st opened. 326 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,542 I got like this teal. I think it was like welcome to 327 00:15:28,542 --> 00:15:29,820 the gun show. I think is what they were 328 00:15:29,820 --> 00:15:30,339 calling it. Yeah. 329 00:15:30,339 --> 00:15:33,532 It was like a singlet. Yeah, and it had like all the 330 00:15:33,532 --> 00:15:35,579 little rabbits like embedded in the actual material. 331 00:15:35,580 --> 00:15:38,530 It was kind of interesting. I still have one in white, but 332 00:15:38,530 --> 00:15:41,930 my TL one, I eventually, I finally donated it like last 333 00:15:41,930 --> 00:15:43,704 year. But that was that was probably 334 00:15:43,704 --> 00:15:45,896 pretty close. That was probably 8 years old or 335 00:15:45,896 --> 00:15:47,714 so. I'll have to ask him to clarify 336 00:15:47,714 --> 00:15:50,626 how old his pants are, which out of context would sound like a 337 00:15:50,626 --> 00:15:54,302 very weird question. So we're going to move on from 338 00:15:54,302 --> 00:15:57,298 that and talk about our mid-year awards. 339 00:15:57,299 --> 00:16:00,899 So we are now in June. This is going to come out in 340 00:16:00,899 --> 00:16:03,399 July approximately. And so we were halfway through 341 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:06,154 the year already of 2026. And we've seen some very 342 00:16:06,154 --> 00:16:07,558 interesting things to hit the market. 343 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:10,259 There's also some very, I'm going to be very honest with you 344 00:16:10,259 --> 00:16:12,113 2 in the audience. I kind of was thinking the 345 00:16:12,113 --> 00:16:13,379 other, I'm like, ah, we're kind of done. 346 00:16:13,379 --> 00:16:14,759 Like most of the stuff has come out boring. 347 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:16,139 And then I was like, wait a minute. 348 00:16:16,139 --> 00:16:19,835 And we're starting to get the early, like, oh, by the way, 349 00:16:19,835 --> 00:16:22,055 here's this thing. So very excited as you're seeing 350 00:16:22,055 --> 00:16:23,999 stuff with like Clifton Pro and all the stuff. 351 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,379 There's stuff from Hokka coming out. 352 00:16:25,379 --> 00:16:28,175 Um, there are some new stuff that I'm really excited for from 353 00:16:28,175 --> 00:16:30,959 Puma, and I'm sure I could say this is all the internet. 354 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,337 The Forever Run, Nitro 3, there's stability shoe is coming 355 00:16:34,337 --> 00:16:38,211 out in the next few months. So there is still more stuff 356 00:16:38,211 --> 00:16:40,283 coming. A lot of the rest of it in the 357 00:16:40,283 --> 00:16:42,635 later year, we don't know a lot about, but there is stuff 358 00:16:42,635 --> 00:16:44,399 coming, so there's still things to be cited for. 359 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:47,399 But we've still had a really good start to the year. 360 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:50,099 And I'm going to be also honest with the audience. 361 00:16:50,100 --> 00:16:52,426 When we sent out, we were talking about how to do this 362 00:16:52,426 --> 00:16:54,834 episode. We're trying to categorize it 363 00:16:54,834 --> 00:17:00,138 based on kind of the more simple things doing, you know, neutral 364 00:17:00,138 --> 00:17:02,790 trainer, stability trainer, performance trainers, racing 365 00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:06,378 shoe, and trail shoes. And I thought we were gonna do 366 00:17:06,378 --> 00:17:08,571 top five. So you can't see it, but had a 367 00:17:08,571 --> 00:17:11,289 massive mound of shoes around me going, okay, gosh, I got to get 368 00:17:11,289 --> 00:17:13,994 the top 5 for each category. And one of these is going to be 369 00:17:13,994 --> 00:17:16,179 a participation trophy because I don't think it deserves to be in 370 00:17:16,179 --> 00:17:17,999 the top five, but it's all I got, blah, blah. 371 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,387 And then I talked to Andrea and David and they're like, yeah, 372 00:17:21,387 --> 00:17:24,744 we're only doing like one. So I'm still going to have at 373 00:17:24,744 --> 00:17:28,080 least top three, and we're going to move forward from here, but 374 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,132 Andrea, why don't you talk about how we've decided in this 375 00:17:31,132 --> 00:17:34,456 category is because you and I were just talking about how we 376 00:17:34,456 --> 00:17:36,118 were trying to simplify things down. 377 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,038 Why are we choosing these as the categories? 378 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:41,757 Well, and we have a whole episode where we discussed this 379 00:17:41,757 --> 00:17:45,465 much more in-depth, but we just felt like there was some 380 00:17:45,465 --> 00:17:48,888 category creep. You know, we've got a super 381 00:17:48,888 --> 00:17:53,926 trainer and a maximal trainer and a max stack daily trainer 382 00:17:53,926 --> 00:17:58,964 and just all of these categories that didn't really make any 383 00:17:58,964 --> 00:18:02,628 sense anymore, especially considering that most shoes now 384 00:18:02,628 --> 00:18:04,918 could be considered maximal stack. 385 00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:09,492 Um, so simplifying them by more like old school categories, 386 00:18:09,492 --> 00:18:12,691 daily trainer, neutral, daily trainer, stability, performance 387 00:18:12,691 --> 00:18:16,049 trainer, and racing shoot. Like that makes it very clear 388 00:18:16,049 --> 00:18:19,618 what each shoe is going to be best for when it comes to use. 389 00:18:19,619 --> 00:18:23,939 And our goal here is to help our listeners out, right? 390 00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:26,459 Like that's, that's the whole reason we do all of this. 391 00:18:26,460 --> 00:18:30,420 So simplifying the categories just communicate what each shoe 392 00:18:30,420 --> 00:18:34,379 we're reviewing is best at or is intended for. 393 00:18:34,380 --> 00:18:37,277 Now, David, do you want to do your 300 thing now where you 394 00:18:37,277 --> 00:18:39,719 kick that over and dissent or do you agree with this? 395 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,459 Because you weren't there with us for that episode. 396 00:18:41,460 --> 00:18:44,802 Yeah, right. I mean, well, because I was 397 00:18:44,802 --> 00:18:47,521 like, I, so before coming on to the podcast, we were talking 398 00:18:47,521 --> 00:18:50,233 about, so he grabbed 5 different shoes for each one of these 399 00:18:50,233 --> 00:18:52,919 categories. I just grabbed like 5 shoes. 400 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,287 I was like, oh, yeah, we're going to do our 5 favorite shoes 401 00:18:55,287 --> 00:18:57,835 in 2026 so far and they're like, oh, yeah, we're going to go by 402 00:18:57,835 --> 00:18:59,759 the categories. I was like, what categories? 403 00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:05,077 So I had to make a pivot myself. Um, so I guess I could just do 404 00:19:05,077 --> 00:19:06,983 that little rant. I don't have to kick the mic 405 00:19:06,983 --> 00:19:07,919 down or anything. That's fine. 406 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,358 That's fair. Okay, got it. 407 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:10,919 My bad. Communication for sure. 408 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,838 Yeah, no, but actually communication. 409 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:15,118 Yeah, clearly not. It's fine. 410 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,745 With our patients, yes. With their patients, yes, with 411 00:19:18,745 --> 00:19:20,999 each other. No, that's a different story. 412 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,379 So can we start with daily trainers? 413 00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:28,679 And I'll you 2 choose who wants to go first? 414 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,558 I will go last, but I've got some interesting stuff. 415 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:35,324 I personally am going to do like a top or like top one to three, 416 00:19:35,324 --> 00:19:38,838 but that's why I will start with you 2 because you're going to be 417 00:19:38,838 --> 00:19:41,192 better organized than me. So whoever wants to take it, go 418 00:19:41,192 --> 00:19:43,139 for it. Go ahead, David. 419 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,386 Okay. I just want to say, is that 420 00:19:45,386 --> 00:19:46,919 peanut mural? that new? 421 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,356 Well, I thought that I should hang something up behind me and 422 00:19:51,356 --> 00:19:53,939 that's not actually a painting of peanut. 423 00:19:53,940 --> 00:19:56,459 It's just a regular dog. Just a regular dachshund. 424 00:19:56,460 --> 00:19:58,798 Isn't it hilarious? It looks great. 425 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:02,444 I was like, I don't remember that being in the background the 426 00:20:02,444 --> 00:20:05,879 last time we filmed together. It looks really good. 427 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,568 Come on, like, please get away. Like, these coworkers gave it to 428 00:20:08,568 --> 00:20:10,495 him for something. And it's been hanging somewhere 429 00:20:10,495 --> 00:20:14,009 else, but I was like, nope, this is going to be a good background 430 00:20:14,009 --> 00:20:16,618 on the podcast. Yeah, it's perfect. 431 00:20:16,619 --> 00:20:21,462 I like it. But yes, living on to daily 432 00:20:21,462 --> 00:20:24,074 trainers. Um, I'll go with an honorable 433 00:20:24,074 --> 00:20:26,312 mention first. I think it's one of those shoes, 434 00:20:26,312 --> 00:20:28,721 and I've said this countless times across the podcast now and 435 00:20:28,721 --> 00:20:30,323 this year. I don't think this shoe is 436 00:20:30,323 --> 00:20:33,025 actually going to end up getting an end of the year award for me 437 00:20:33,025 --> 00:20:35,727 and I feel like I feel sad about it because I think it's, they 438 00:20:35,727 --> 00:20:38,836 did such a good job on it. Um, but I think I just like 439 00:20:38,836 --> 00:20:41,338 another shoe in the category, just a little bit more. 440 00:20:41,339 --> 00:20:44,137 But that's the Saucony Triumph 24. 441 00:20:44,137 --> 00:20:47,399 It's an ATPU-based midsole, sub 9 ounces. 442 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,011 Like, this is like their, like, first, I think real big step in 443 00:20:51,011 --> 00:20:54,058 a while where it's like, nah, this is a premium trainer. 444 00:20:54,059 --> 00:20:56,939 It's plush. It's light. got a good rocker. 445 00:20:56,940 --> 00:21:00,041 It can do, like, it can go surprisingly quick if you needed 446 00:21:00,041 --> 00:21:02,879 to, but it, again, it's gonna feel best at daily efforts. 447 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,399 And I feel like it's styled in really well. 448 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,358 Um, I just, I like this other shoe better. 449 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,879 And that's the On Cloud Monster Hyper 3. 450 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,288 And this one, it kind of fits that stable neutral where you 451 00:21:15,288 --> 00:21:18,118 have that plush foam on the inside, that Helion HF. 452 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,858 It got a balance to it. It a super foam. 453 00:21:19,859 --> 00:21:22,778 You have the outer, like, layer of the cloud tech, kind of 454 00:21:22,778 --> 00:21:25,937 encompassing it to give it just a little bit of guidance and it 455 00:21:25,937 --> 00:21:28,853 firms up the bottom sole a little bit, gives it a little 456 00:21:28,853 --> 00:21:31,526 bit of snappiness, and then you have, like, a pretty solid 457 00:21:31,526 --> 00:21:34,199 spacing in terms of the upper, a good amount of volume. 458 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,239 It still locks down well, good amount of forefoot width. 459 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,228 It just kind of checks all the boxes, like, nice gentle rocker 460 00:21:39,228 --> 00:21:41,967 with a little bit of bounce through the forefoot, like, it, 461 00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:45,204 to me, it doesn't go super fast, but if I'm just like logging 462 00:21:45,204 --> 00:21:48,192 daily miles, like, it feels great and it feels stable on my 463 00:21:48,192 --> 00:21:51,179 foot and it feels like I could just keep running in it. 464 00:21:51,180 --> 00:21:55,065 And so I, yeah, I think as far as daily training and just 465 00:21:55,065 --> 00:21:58,939 getting out the door and running my miles, I'm going to say the 466 00:21:58,939 --> 00:22:01,919 Cloud Monster Hyper 3 is my daily trainer right now. 467 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,748 Wait, are we are we classifying the hyper as a performance 468 00:22:05,748 --> 00:22:08,759 trainer or daily trainer? Daily. 469 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:12,449 D daily. Okay, but again, again, all 470 00:22:12,449 --> 00:22:14,219 right. vetoed. Okay. 471 00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:18,634 Yeah, I mean, do you really? Are you ripping workouts in the 472 00:22:18,634 --> 00:22:21,959 Cloud Monster 3 hyper over Daily Miles? 473 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,578 That's a good. That's a good point. 474 00:22:23,579 --> 00:22:25,078 I have done a lot of workouts in it. 475 00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:27,298 It's, you're right. Okay. fair. 476 00:22:27,299 --> 00:22:29,153 Yeah, because if it's a performance trainer, it's like, 477 00:22:29,153 --> 00:22:31,979 okay, I'm going fast in this shoe when I put it on. right? 478 00:22:31,980 --> 00:22:34,695 Like, most likely. This is also why I was like, 479 00:22:34,695 --> 00:22:37,642 okay, I like 5 favorite shoes versus like let me categorize 480 00:22:37,642 --> 00:22:39,778 them because then it puts them into boxes. 481 00:22:39,779 --> 00:22:42,058 Right, that's why you categorize this stuff. 482 00:22:42,059 --> 00:22:43,919 Cool. Awesome. 483 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,934 But, yes, I mean, because, like, I, for my performance trainer, I 484 00:22:47,934 --> 00:22:52,610 think it could still be in the daily trainer for me, but, um, I 485 00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:54,629 don't know. There's there's overlap to this 486 00:22:54,629 --> 00:22:56,802 stuff. But yes, for my daily trainer, 487 00:22:56,802 --> 00:22:59,338 neutral, stable neutral, I guess you could say. 488 00:22:59,339 --> 00:23:02,399 Cloud Monster Hyper 3. Andrea, what you got? 489 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,199 All right. Well, I've got 2 your shoes. 490 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,150 One of them doesn't really count, but it does because we 491 00:23:07,150 --> 00:23:10,634 didn't get to talk about it at our end of your episode last 492 00:23:10,634 --> 00:23:12,778 year, and that is the Topo Atmos 2. 493 00:23:12,779 --> 00:23:17,114 I looked back and we reviewed it like end of December, so I don't 494 00:23:17,114 --> 00:23:21,833 think I talked about it. It is technic, it was a November 495 00:23:21,833 --> 00:23:24,719 2025 release. Oh, che I know. 496 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,738 Whatever. You're doing 3 shoes in each 497 00:23:27,738 --> 00:23:29,759 category, so I can talk about this shoe. 498 00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:34,584 So this year is basically the same. as the original Atmos, 499 00:23:34,584 --> 00:23:39,732 which I mean, I think I have over 250 miles on my original 500 00:23:39,732 --> 00:23:42,899 pair of Atmos, and it's still going strong. 501 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:46,987 I only have test miles on this because I'm still running in my 502 00:23:46,987 --> 00:23:49,499 original atmos, but basically they feel the same. 503 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:52,618 The upper is a little bit more refined than the original one. 504 00:23:52,619 --> 00:23:56,010 It's a little thinner mesh. But this year, by far, I can 505 00:23:56,010 --> 00:23:59,759 just eat up easy miles in it when my feet are tired. 506 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:03,719 They make my feet feel better. It's nice 5 millimeter drop. 507 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,318 The foam is not soft, but it's protective. 508 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:10,431 So it is a great shoe. I'll get more miles on my 509 00:24:10,431 --> 00:24:13,767 original pair of Atmos, and then when that shoe dies, I've got 510 00:24:13,767 --> 00:24:16,199 this one as backup. So there's that. 511 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,078 I broke the rules there. But then for a actual 2026 shoe, 512 00:24:21,078 --> 00:24:26,454 I also chose the Cloud Monster Hyper 3 because On shoes one, 513 00:24:26,454 --> 00:24:32,278 they just fit me so well. I love the squared off toe box. 514 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:35,679 It's wider. I never get any pinching at my 515 00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:38,500 MTPs in their shoes. The, like David said, the 516 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:42,659 overall feel of the shoe is on the firm side, which I like. 517 00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:46,236 It's perfect for running easy, but if I've got to run where 518 00:24:46,236 --> 00:24:49,811 I've got like some strides or pickups to do, it performs just 519 00:24:49,811 --> 00:24:53,016 fine at those too. I can do fast strides in the 520 00:24:53,016 --> 00:24:55,902 shoe, no problem. So, this is definitely my number 521 00:24:55,902 --> 00:24:59,946 one daily trainer of the year for now, but there's all these 522 00:24:59,946 --> 00:25:02,639 great shoes that I haven't run in yet. 523 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,058 So I'm not sure it's going to be my favorite at the end of the 524 00:25:05,058 --> 00:25:06,778 year. But we'll see. 525 00:25:06,779 --> 00:25:09,479 All right, so I'm going to do three. 526 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,659 You sure not paid for? Yeah, I'm not going to do four. 527 00:25:12,660 --> 00:25:17,335 So my honorable mentions, like David, it's going to be Triumph 528 00:25:17,335 --> 00:25:19,751 24. I want you 2 to hear this and 529 00:25:19,751 --> 00:25:23,471 let me know if I'm nuts that it is a very soft shoe, but it 530 00:25:23,471 --> 00:25:26,802 oddly has been stable for me. And I think it's because filled 531 00:25:26,802 --> 00:25:29,872 in midfoot, side walls are halfway decent, and the little 532 00:25:29,872 --> 00:25:32,939 bit, I just like the little bit higher drop, right? 533 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:34,886 There's not a lot of 10 millimeter drop shoes out there 534 00:25:34,886 --> 00:25:36,118 and not everybody's going to like that. 535 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,561 For me, it does take some pressure off Achilles tenon, so 536 00:25:38,561 --> 00:25:40,781 I'm really enjoyed that. And the way they've kind of 537 00:25:40,781 --> 00:25:42,778 rounded the heel has also worked really, really well. 538 00:25:42,779 --> 00:25:45,538 It is still just a tad bit too soft. 539 00:25:45,539 --> 00:25:47,739 I've actually found this shoe works a lot better if I'm 540 00:25:47,739 --> 00:25:49,139 picking up the pace a little bit. 541 00:25:49,140 --> 00:25:52,474 If I'm trying to do recovery, it's just a little bit too much 542 00:25:52,474 --> 00:25:54,778 for me, but like up-tempo has been really nice. 543 00:25:54,779 --> 00:25:58,934 So fits great. It also works very well as a 544 00:25:58,934 --> 00:26:02,188 walking shoe, weirdly enough. For me, that's probably the 545 00:26:02,188 --> 00:26:05,437 higher drop, but just really pinnacle Saucony, you know, 546 00:26:05,437 --> 00:26:08,686 hitting your foams hard, hitting really nice fit, really 547 00:26:08,686 --> 00:26:11,935 definitely in that, you know, premium daily training shoe 548 00:26:11,935 --> 00:26:15,298 that's really, really good. So that's all I'm mentioned. 549 00:26:15,299 --> 00:26:19,374 And I'm actually going to throw the wave writer 30 in there as 550 00:26:19,374 --> 00:26:21,838 well as an honorable mention. I think it's been great. 551 00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:25,844 I think the fit is back to where I like where it's just, it's not 552 00:26:25,844 --> 00:26:27,179 like voluminist where you're sliding. 553 00:26:27,180 --> 00:26:30,060 It's a little bit lower volume, a little bit wider fit, so 554 00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:32,940 there's plenty of room for the toes to move without being kind 555 00:26:32,940 --> 00:26:35,375 of anatomic, sloppy. The heel is a little bit wider, 556 00:26:35,375 --> 00:26:40,337 but lock's done really nice. And I got to admit, the energy 557 00:26:40,337 --> 00:26:43,356 NXT is great. Even if I'm a little annoyed, 558 00:26:43,356 --> 00:26:46,424 the drops a little bit lower and I think, hey, Mizuno, like, I 559 00:26:46,424 --> 00:26:49,718 think I was a little bit upset at 1st to hear 8 millimeter drop 560 00:26:49,718 --> 00:26:51,598 because even though it's not a bad thing. 561 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:54,654 When I think Mizuno, I'm like, hey, how are you guys going to 562 00:26:54,654 --> 00:26:56,999 differentiate yourselves because you used to be the high drop? 563 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,024 And I, for some people that work super well and you're moving 564 00:27:00,024 --> 00:27:02,849 away from that. But man, with what they're doing 565 00:27:02,849 --> 00:27:06,982 with the foams, like, they have moved from being like the firm 566 00:27:06,982 --> 00:27:10,078 hydrop company to the now, like, crazy bouncy foams. 567 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:12,532 I don't know what you guys are smoking, but it's clearly 568 00:27:12,532 --> 00:27:14,759 working because you guys are coming out with crazy stuff. 569 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:18,778 Like the once super conservative company now wild. 570 00:27:18,779 --> 00:27:22,433 And so it is very fun to see this and I really enjoyed this 571 00:27:22,433 --> 00:27:24,778 shoe, especially weight has kind of pulled back down. 572 00:27:24,779 --> 00:27:28,007 It's a little bit heavier than 29, but the bounce and how it's 573 00:27:28,007 --> 00:27:30,239 a little bit more stable just works so well. 574 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,298 It's like, I had that feeling, and we talked about this. 575 00:27:33,299 --> 00:27:35,802 I remember one of the original rave riders that we reviewed 576 00:27:35,802 --> 00:27:37,618 going, all of us were like, it's snappy. 577 00:27:37,619 --> 00:27:40,618 We can do workouts in it. It's back to where that is. 578 00:27:40,619 --> 00:27:44,098 And so I think for that reason, really good honorable mention. 579 00:27:44,099 --> 00:27:49,429 But just like you all, for daily trainers so far, the On Cloud 580 00:27:49,429 --> 00:27:53,258 Monster Hyper 3 is awesome. You know, I give on a really 581 00:27:53,258 --> 00:27:55,798 hard time being like, you guys make overly firm shoes. 582 00:27:55,799 --> 00:28:00,239 They're really expensive. This is the upper is fantastic. 583 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,085 The soul is great. It's one of those shoes where I 584 00:28:03,085 --> 00:28:05,428 was arguing with like, I'm going, isn't this a performance 585 00:28:05,428 --> 00:28:07,763 trainer, but you are right. It is more in that training 586 00:28:07,763 --> 00:28:10,169 realm, but it can still do it. I've done lots of longer 587 00:28:10,169 --> 00:28:12,570 workouts and things like that. We'll talk about the other 588 00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:15,809 version of this shoe for me in just second, but it's been 589 00:28:15,809 --> 00:28:17,818 awesome. And yeah, it's expensive. 590 00:28:17,819 --> 00:28:20,038 I have well over 100 miles in this. 591 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:23,794 And Outsole is doing fine. So you're going to get tons of 592 00:28:23,794 --> 00:28:25,919 stuff out of it. It's holding up well. 593 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,111 Very stable neutral. It has been one of the better 594 00:28:29,111 --> 00:28:31,478 stable neutral shoes out there this year and something that I 595 00:28:31,478 --> 00:28:34,964 just keep reaching for. So I agree with you too, on 596 00:28:34,964 --> 00:28:37,387 this. Yeah, I just ran in it the other 597 00:28:37,387 --> 00:28:40,964 day, too, before I got sick and I was like, just to try it 598 00:28:40,964 --> 00:28:42,719 again. It had been a while. 599 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,528 I tried the Azura again as well, because like some of the shoes 600 00:28:45,528 --> 00:28:48,118 that I liked really a lot in the beginning of the year. 601 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:49,919 It's been a while now, so I put them back on. 602 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,251 And yeah, it held up. you know I was like, yeah, this run is 603 00:28:54,251 --> 00:28:58,843 really nice. Um, So I guess we'll transition 604 00:28:58,843 --> 00:29:03,838 to the next one, probably. Great. 605 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:06,179 So are we ready for stability shoes? 606 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:08,639 We are. Great. 607 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,278 All right. So, David, do you want to start? 608 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:12,719 Yeah, yeah. I can go. 609 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,838 For stability? Now, I will preface this. 610 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:19,019 I have not gotten quite as many stability models this year. 611 00:29:19,019 --> 00:29:24,815 Um, so a little bit of a limited sample, but uh, with this one, 612 00:29:24,815 --> 00:29:27,298 again, daily training slash easy running. 613 00:29:27,299 --> 00:29:32,555 This is not really the fastest shoe by any means, but for the 614 00:29:32,555 --> 00:29:34,979 moderate stability category, mild to moderate. 615 00:29:34,980 --> 00:29:36,298 I feel like they do a really good job. 616 00:29:36,299 --> 00:29:38,278 I feel like on hit it on the head again. 617 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:40,139 I'm going to go with the on Cloud Runner 3. 618 00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:43,439 And, you know, very wide base underfoot. 619 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,612 It's got an excellent upper, one of the nicest uppers of the year 620 00:29:46,612 --> 00:29:49,517 so far. And the foam's a little bit 621 00:29:49,517 --> 00:29:51,635 firmer. You know, it's not really like a 622 00:29:51,635 --> 00:29:54,563 super bouncy, like lively foam and the shoe does have a little 623 00:29:54,563 --> 00:29:57,735 bit of weight to it, but it's really like it just holds its 624 00:29:57,735 --> 00:30:00,419 structure super well and the rocker is styled in pretty well. 625 00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:02,098 You have a posterior lateral bevel. 626 00:30:02,099 --> 00:30:04,679 You have just a gentle rounding to the forefoot. 627 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,782 I've actually found that I really love it for standing and 628 00:30:07,782 --> 00:30:10,318 walking, but even for running, it's actually really nice. 629 00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:14,075 It's just slow, easy paces. There's not that much life to 630 00:30:14,075 --> 00:30:16,439 the foam if you try and push it. It's just not going to do it. 631 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,679 It's not what that shoe does. But for just easy rhythmic 632 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:23,679 miles, you know, it works. And I've actually been very, 633 00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:27,160 very happy with it. So, um, yeah, I mean, for my 634 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,080 stability shoe this year so far, I'm gonna have to go with the on 635 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,519 Cloud Runner 3. Yep. 636 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:34,798 And I will agree. It's especially walking. 637 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,919 It's one of my top like stability walking shoes by far. 638 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,549 It's great. It does take a while to break 639 00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:43,715 in, like the other ones. So once you break it in, though, 640 00:30:43,715 --> 00:30:47,138 it's nice, but yeah, you're not going to pick up the pace in it, 641 00:30:47,138 --> 00:30:49,199 it's meant for easy miles. Don't push it. 642 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,699 Um, great. Can I do you mind if I go now? 643 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,098 Go for it. Okay, I've obviously got a few. 644 00:30:56,099 --> 00:30:59,278 So this is going to be a hot topic. 645 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,208 I think some of the best stability shoes have come out 646 00:31:02,208 --> 00:31:06,283 this year compared to while. Um, and there was there's a trio 647 00:31:06,283 --> 00:31:10,199 for sure of shoes that I'm like, these are fantastic. 648 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,600 There's also one I'm going to talk about later that I feel 649 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,600 like, personally, is technically a stability shoe, but it's not 650 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,199 actually in this category and it'll show up. 651 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:21,444 But my runner-ups, 1st one is going to be the Hoka, I'm going 652 00:31:21,444 --> 00:31:23,459 to say this wrong. Gaviota? 653 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:25,139 Gaviota. God, I did it right. 654 00:31:25,140 --> 00:31:28,990 Okay, great. I, this update has been 655 00:31:28,990 --> 00:31:30,837 fantastic. I think in the past they had 656 00:31:30,837 --> 00:31:33,027 this, but you couldn't see it. The full-length H-frame where 657 00:31:33,027 --> 00:31:36,233 you got this great medial stability from the heel all the 658 00:31:36,233 --> 00:31:40,259 way to the forefoot is great. It's lighter, it's rocker. 659 00:31:40,259 --> 00:31:44,118 It's just a, it's not a fancy foam, but it's just been such a, 660 00:31:44,118 --> 00:31:47,418 the wide toe box has also been something that's so pleasant for 661 00:31:47,418 --> 00:31:49,618 me that it's been a great mileage shoe. 662 00:31:49,619 --> 00:31:52,739 I've got 100 miles on it. I do have a 100 mile review. 663 00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:55,139 We didn't use it because I was so sick. 664 00:31:55,140 --> 00:31:58,078 My voice was totally off and BJ was like, no, we're not gonna, 665 00:31:58,078 --> 00:32:00,420 the audio is awful. Like, so at some point, maybe 666 00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:02,338 I'll redo that or maybe it's too late. 667 00:32:02,339 --> 00:32:05,518 But, hey, holding up 100 miles, holding up super well, really 668 00:32:05,518 --> 00:32:08,399 enjoyed it both as a walking and a running shoe. 669 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,054 So that's a runner-up. My 2nd runner-up is also one of 670 00:32:12,054 --> 00:32:15,814 my favorites, but there was the deciding factor that kind of 671 00:32:15,814 --> 00:32:18,774 moved it into 2nd place. It's still a great shoe. the 672 00:32:18,774 --> 00:32:22,586 lighter of the two, what I think are the best ability shoes on 673 00:32:22,586 --> 00:32:25,809 the market, but the Saucony Hurricane 26 is going to move 674 00:32:25,809 --> 00:32:28,739 into my runner-up, and I'll talk about the top ones. 675 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:31,739 But this is a great shoe. It's secure. 676 00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:35,536 It's got the, gosh, I want to forget the PWRRUN Lux foam, so 677 00:32:35,536 --> 00:32:38,162 very bouncy underfoot, little bit more snappy, little bit 678 00:32:38,162 --> 00:32:40,199 lighter in that low 9 ounce range. 679 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,999 So it's great. Durability's been good. 680 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,219 Also got 100 miles in this, really enjoying it. 681 00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:47,100 The only challenges they, just a little bit of EVA foam, but 682 00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:49,500 what's really nice about this and what differentiates for the 683 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:51,899 next shoe is it's got more of a wedge design. 684 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:56,408 And so that's got a dual layer foam, so it's got PWRRUN Lux on 685 00:32:56,408 --> 00:33:00,594 top, and then PWRRUN on the bottom, and your foot sits in a 686 00:33:00,594 --> 00:33:02,657 slightly inverted position. For people that just want to 687 00:33:02,657 --> 00:33:05,035 stay in a neutral position, have a medial post, this is not going 688 00:33:05,035 --> 00:33:07,199 to work. If you have any lateral 689 00:33:07,199 --> 00:33:08,495 instabilities. This is not going to work 690 00:33:08,495 --> 00:33:09,899 because you're going to be sitting in this position. 691 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:13,750 For those who like that, it's great for those who want to go a 692 00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:16,490 little faster and have a lighter superfoam stability shoe, it's 693 00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:18,219 really good. It's not the lightest stability 694 00:33:18,219 --> 00:33:21,509 issue out there, but it is one of the lighter if you want like 695 00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:22,919 a marathon shoe, things like that. 696 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,039 It's been really really nice. Also a little better for those 697 00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:29,159 with little narrow feet as the toe box tapers a bit, but great 698 00:33:29,159 --> 00:33:30,778 shoe. Really love where they're going. 699 00:33:30,779 --> 00:33:34,900 But my top shoe of the year is the Saucony Omni 23 ST, and I 700 00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:38,462 actually have 200 miles on this shoe right now, and I can't stop 701 00:33:38,462 --> 00:33:41,750 reaching for it because every time I'm beat up, it's what I 702 00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:44,399 reach for. Full-length PWRRUN PB. 703 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,056 It's got a large medial post with also a little, um, what do 704 00:33:48,056 --> 00:33:53,069 they call this? Um, I'm forgetting the name, but 705 00:33:53,069 --> 00:33:56,579 they usually, Saucony's done these kind of plastic, uh, 706 00:33:56,579 --> 00:33:59,540 concave kind of thing. What am I, what word am I 707 00:33:59,540 --> 00:34:01,362 looking for? They're like, um, I remember 708 00:34:01,362 --> 00:34:05,054 like back when they had like pro grid, but that was like the 709 00:34:05,054 --> 00:34:07,318 phone. Yeah, that's the phone. 710 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:10,797 It was, oh, I don't know. So they're Adidas. 711 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,418 It was like, what, torsion system or something? 712 00:34:12,420 --> 00:34:14,697 Yeah, that's like Trussic system. 713 00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:18,869 Yeah, Adidas or Saucony calls it the stable zone, but it's this 714 00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:21,297 plastic archpiece plus a dual density foam. 715 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:23,578 I believe of power, and I might be wrong. 716 00:34:23,579 --> 00:34:27,058 But what's nice is it extends also into the medial side. 717 00:34:27,059 --> 00:34:29,878 So rather than just get pushed way farther over. 718 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,400 It keeps you locked in, but it's still a moderate to high 719 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,500 stability shoot. And there's not a lot of these, 720 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:37,380 and there's certainly no other ones that have PWRRUN PB in it, 721 00:34:37,380 --> 00:34:40,018 and it's really nicely balanced. Not the fastest shoe. 722 00:34:40,018 --> 00:34:43,498 It's meant for easy miles, long runs, but man, it is stable. 723 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:46,853 It's great balance of stability and having some bounce in the 724 00:34:46,853 --> 00:34:47,998 foam. I really like this. 725 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,820 So yes, by the way, you can have superfoams and stability shoes, 726 00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:53,875 and it works just fine because a lot of the arguments like, we 727 00:34:53,875 --> 00:34:56,217 can't put superfoams in there because we'll make it unstable. 728 00:34:56,219 --> 00:34:58,198 That's not true. You can totally do that. 729 00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:01,510 The only thing I would be aware of is initially the fit is a 730 00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:03,658 teeny bit snug. It breaks in very nicely. 731 00:35:03,659 --> 00:35:07,230 This is also not a walking shoe. It's bouncy enough that it 732 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:10,124 really is a running shoe. There's some other great options 733 00:35:10,124 --> 00:35:14,282 for walking, but for running, it is by far my top shoe of the 734 00:35:14,282 --> 00:35:16,777 year. And I don't know if it's going 735 00:35:16,777 --> 00:35:20,306 to get unseated, to be honest. Like, I'm really excited for the 736 00:35:20,306 --> 00:35:22,498 Forever Run Nitro from Puma in version 3. 737 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:24,298 I don't know if that's going to be able to push that out. 738 00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:25,618 We'll have to see what they do with that. 739 00:35:25,619 --> 00:35:29,634 And I don't really know what else people are doing stability 740 00:35:29,634 --> 00:35:31,978 wise. And we'll have to see. 741 00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:37,198 But those trio have been awesome, and I really love them. 742 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:40,738 Andrea, do you have any stability shoes to mention? 743 00:35:40,739 --> 00:35:43,209 Well, I don't have any medial stability, serious to mention, 744 00:35:43,209 --> 00:35:46,162 because I definitely don't get along with those, but I do have 745 00:35:46,162 --> 00:35:48,718 2 I want to talk about. Yeah. 746 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,158 The 1st one, I just did a 105 mile update, yes? 747 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:56,914 And I will note, by the way, we are working through some things 748 00:35:56,914 --> 00:36:00,082 on the website, there will be a lateral, people that need 749 00:36:00,082 --> 00:36:02,253 lateral stability. There will be a guide coming 750 00:36:02,253 --> 00:36:03,803 out. We've got a couple emails there, 751 00:36:03,803 --> 00:36:05,938 and Angie, I probably should consult you on this too. 752 00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:09,780 Um, but that that guide is coming out for people that are 753 00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:11,698 looking for that. Yeah. 754 00:36:11,699 --> 00:36:15,598 So that would be the Mizuno Hyperwarp Pro. 755 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,028 Um, for people with lateral stability needs like myself, 756 00:36:19,028 --> 00:36:23,598 this is, without question, the my favorite shoe, in terms of a 757 00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:28,158 shoe that keeps me from landing and staying too far lateral, it 758 00:36:28,158 --> 00:36:30,058 definitely helps guide me immediately. 759 00:36:30,059 --> 00:36:34,438 The reason for that is the shoe has a lot of lateral sole flare. 760 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,786 Not as much medial sole flare, particularly in the rear foot 761 00:36:37,786 --> 00:36:40,739 and the midfoot. It does have a little more 762 00:36:40,739 --> 00:36:44,479 medial forefoot sole flare, but it doesn't quite balance out how 763 00:36:44,479 --> 00:36:46,858 wide it is in the lateral forefoot. 764 00:36:46,860 --> 00:36:51,911 So it's very medially biased. So for me, it just, it meets all 765 00:36:51,911 --> 00:36:55,733 of my stability needs in terms of not wanting a shoe that keeps 766 00:36:55,733 --> 00:36:58,378 me on the outside of my foot too long. 767 00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:02,435 Um, and I'm going to talk about it a little more in another 768 00:37:02,435 --> 00:37:06,167 category about why I like it for other reasons, but for lateral 769 00:37:06,167 --> 00:37:08,579 stability. There's nothing like it right 770 00:37:08,579 --> 00:37:10,438 now. I would agree. 771 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,538 And I think that's why I hated that ju so much. 772 00:37:12,539 --> 00:37:17,038 I was like, And then I just have one other shoe. 773 00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:20,584 I wouldn't really categorize it as a overall stability issue, 774 00:37:20,584 --> 00:37:24,478 but I think the 4 foot stability is done really well. 775 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,996 I'm going to be writing their review on this this week, but 776 00:37:27,996 --> 00:37:30,420 that's the Topo Spectre 3. Oh, yeah. 777 00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:34,438 So the 1st Spectre was fine. It was pretty firm. 778 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,718 I could use it for like easy in long runs. 779 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,048 The 2nd specter I didn't like, it had a ton of posterior sole 780 00:37:41,048 --> 00:37:43,378 flare, which made it feel really clunky. 781 00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:46,789 Matt and I had a pretty extensive discussion on it, I 782 00:37:46,789 --> 00:37:48,478 recall. Yep, how much we hated it. 783 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,918 Yes. Uh-huh. 784 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,238 This shoe is special. They have a new foam. 785 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,616 It's an ATPU foam. I really hope that when they 786 00:37:57,616 --> 00:38:00,760 update the cyclone that that's the foam they put in it because 787 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,118 this is the best foam that Topo has used. 788 00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:07,727 It's bouncy without being soft. Like it's just the right bounds 789 00:38:07,727 --> 00:38:10,846 of compliance and resilience. I've had a lot of fun testing 790 00:38:10,846 --> 00:38:13,649 the shoe. The reason it's not at the top 791 00:38:13,649 --> 00:38:17,926 of my list, this forefoot rocker is way too early, and it just 792 00:38:17,926 --> 00:38:22,532 feels like if I try to run fast in it, I'm just immediately up 793 00:38:22,532 --> 00:38:26,809 on my toes and it actually pinches my big toe quite a bit 794 00:38:26,809 --> 00:38:29,441 when I'm trying to run fast in it. 795 00:38:29,441 --> 00:38:32,402 But for easy runs, it's bouncy, it's comfortable, it's 796 00:38:32,402 --> 00:38:35,399 protective, you roll along. I really enjoyed it for easy 797 00:38:35,399 --> 00:38:38,759 runs, but why am I talking about it in the stability category? 798 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,759 Look at that forefoot sole flare. 799 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,998 That is super wide laterally and medially. 800 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,446 And I think this sole flare really saves the shoe because 801 00:38:49,446 --> 00:38:52,678 you've got a pretty aggressive heel bevel here. 802 00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:57,238 You've got a bouncy foam and a really early forefoot rocker. 803 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,430 So this wide sole flare, both medially and laterally in the 804 00:39:01,430 --> 00:39:05,238 forefoot just helps keep you centered on what would otherwise 805 00:39:05,238 --> 00:39:08,998 be a very unstable forefoot. And I really like how it feels. 806 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,588 If the rocker wasn't so early, this would probably be one of my 807 00:39:12,588 --> 00:39:15,898 favorite shoes of the year, but it's just a little too early. 808 00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:20,371 I hate running fast in it because of how I just feel like 809 00:39:20,371 --> 00:39:23,458 I'm immediately on my toes and it's quite uncomfortable. 810 00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:28,874 But this is an exciting shoe. I can't wait to see this foam in 811 00:39:28,874 --> 00:39:32,350 more topo shoes and I really hope it's what they're updating 812 00:39:32,350 --> 00:39:35,366 the cyclone with. And I will clarify, the reason 813 00:39:35,366 --> 00:39:39,150 Andrea is adding these in is because there is no lateral 814 00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:41,556 stability category. The Gaviota is probably one of 815 00:39:41,556 --> 00:39:44,988 the few that also has, like I was talking about like the 816 00:39:44,988 --> 00:39:48,703 full-length medial post, the way they do an H frame is they also 817 00:39:48,703 --> 00:39:52,408 do it on the lateral side, which goes into lateral forefoot and a 818 00:39:52,408 --> 00:39:56,376 lot of the heel as well. So there's not a lot that do 819 00:39:56,376 --> 00:39:57,914 that. That's something, again, that I 820 00:39:57,914 --> 00:40:01,073 really like this shoe for, but most of them are going to be 821 00:40:01,073 --> 00:40:03,963 biased immediately. So a lot of times people that 822 00:40:03,963 --> 00:40:07,736 have lateral stability needs are going to look for things like 823 00:40:07,736 --> 00:40:10,480 sole flare, like sidewalls, other mechanisms because there 824 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,538 is no official lateral stability shoe. 825 00:40:12,539 --> 00:40:15,393 So that makes total sense. And I think those are great 826 00:40:15,393 --> 00:40:16,994 choices. I actually have struggled a 827 00:40:16,994 --> 00:40:20,338 little bit with the Spectre 3, even though I've loved the foam. 828 00:40:20,340 --> 00:40:23,090 Midfoot's a little bit narrow and that extra lateral sole 829 00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:25,558 flare has bugged me a little bit and pivot. 830 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:28,439 I still got decent amount of miles in those, but that lateral 831 00:40:28,439 --> 00:40:31,078 sole flare does pivot me and we're just like the pro. 832 00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:34,329 So people that want that, that is probably going to be a shoe 833 00:40:34,329 --> 00:40:37,318 to look out for if you have more of those lateral stability. 834 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,723 A, people that have excessive, either excessively invert off 835 00:40:39,723 --> 00:40:43,456 the lateral toes or when you do, one of the rare people that when 836 00:40:43,456 --> 00:40:46,116 you collapse, when you land, you actually invert rather than 837 00:40:46,116 --> 00:40:48,510 pronate or supinate rather than pronate, that's something to 838 00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:50,638 look for as that can help guide you. 839 00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:52,858 So that makes sense. All right. 840 00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:54,538 We ready for the performance category? 841 00:40:54,539 --> 00:40:55,978 Is the train in the background telling us that? 842 00:40:55,980 --> 00:40:59,836 Yes. That would be the in my 843 00:40:59,836 --> 00:41:00,958 background. Okay, got it. 844 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:01,978 Okay, perfect. All right. 845 00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:05,195 I was like, wow. It's bringing in the 846 00:41:05,195 --> 00:41:06,178 performance. Okay, got it. 847 00:41:06,179 --> 00:41:07,978 Andrew, on that note, why don't you go first? 848 00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:12,238 Yeah, get on the train. Okay. 849 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,858 Um, so back to the Mizuno Hyperwarp Pro. 850 00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:19,438 Gross. I'm just kidding. sorry. 851 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,858 Matt, it's great. I'm just kidding. 852 00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:26,025 This doesn't work for me. So why do I love this year so 853 00:41:26,025 --> 00:41:28,440 much? So, yeah, one, Mizuno says it's 854 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,354 a racing shoe. Look, it's $250, it's priced 855 00:41:31,354 --> 00:41:35,647 like a racing shoe. For me, there are 3 hyperwarp 856 00:41:35,647 --> 00:41:39,220 shoes. The elite and the pure are much 857 00:41:39,220 --> 00:41:41,878 more aligned with my racing needs. 858 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,259 I would actually race like a 5 K 10 K half marathon in the pure. 859 00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:50,310 This year was just a little too heavy and not snappy enough for 860 00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:52,798 me to choose it for a racing shoe. 861 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,538 There's just too many good options now. 862 00:41:54,539 --> 00:41:58,259 I kind of viewed the shoe like a sockony endorphin speed. 863 00:41:58,260 --> 00:42:02,460 Like it is a performance training companion to a super 864 00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:06,030 racing shoe. So I use the shoe primarily for 865 00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:08,327 my long run. They're often around marathon 866 00:42:08,327 --> 00:42:12,551 pace, and when I say long run now, I mean like 8 to 10 miles, 867 00:42:12,551 --> 00:42:17,109 I can use it for easy pace. I can use it for intervals at 868 00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:21,058 like threshold 10 K effort. It's fine faster than that. 869 00:42:21,059 --> 00:42:24,862 It's not the best shoe, but I can certainly use it for like 5 870 00:42:24,862 --> 00:42:29,250 k pace intervals if I need to. But again, the geometry just 871 00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:34,722 works great for me because of its medial bias, the PEBA 872 00:42:34,722 --> 00:42:38,698 midsole is, again, not soft, it's really bouncy. 873 00:42:38,699 --> 00:42:44,159 The platform is really stiff. The rocker is not too early, but 874 00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:47,338 it certainly gives you that propulsive ride. 875 00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:50,830 And it's actually really impressive how versatile it is 876 00:42:50,830 --> 00:42:53,916 in terms of paces. Because you wouldn't often 877 00:42:53,916 --> 00:42:58,524 expect a shoe like this to be comfortable for a long easier 878 00:42:58,524 --> 00:43:01,978 run and to perform well at for threshold reps. 879 00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:07,899 So I think it's a great value. It, because of Mizuno's awesome 880 00:43:07,899 --> 00:43:10,451 outsoles. This year is going to get a lot 881 00:43:10,451 --> 00:43:13,558 more miles. There's no wear at all. 882 00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:16,614 It's just dirty. So even though it's $250, I 883 00:43:16,614 --> 00:43:21,532 would spend 250 on it, simply because it works so well for my 884 00:43:21,532 --> 00:43:24,178 mechanics, and it's such a versatile shoe. 885 00:43:24,179 --> 00:43:27,598 So without question, that's my performance trainer of the year. 886 00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:32,262 I will say, Mizuno, too, historically, have, like, just 887 00:43:32,262 --> 00:43:35,218 bulletproof outsoles. Oh my gosh, yeah. 888 00:43:35,219 --> 00:43:39,230 Like I could get back to like Waverider like 23 and I, I had 889 00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:41,518 probably 3 or 400 miles on my pair. 890 00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:43,078 I didn't even make a dent in that rubber. 891 00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:44,458 Yeah, couldn't kill it. Yep. 892 00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:47,458 Bulletproof and excellent traction. 893 00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:49,678 Like, we had a terrible winter here. 894 00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:54,344 And if I knew there was going to be like slush or some snow on 895 00:43:54,344 --> 00:43:58,068 the roads, I had all confidence taking the hyperwarp pro or the 896 00:43:58,068 --> 00:44:02,098 pure or the elite out because I knew it would grip so well. 897 00:44:02,099 --> 00:44:05,529 Same thing with my wave rebellion flash shoes, which I 898 00:44:05,529 --> 00:44:09,298 do have 350 miles on, and the outsole isn't worn out. 899 00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:12,917 Traction is still great. It's because it has that, what, 900 00:44:12,917 --> 00:44:15,178 I think they call it their G8 outsole. 901 00:44:15,179 --> 00:44:17,158 Yeah. It's just grippy. 902 00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:22,021 It's got little, not lugs, but it's got a little bit of tread, 903 00:44:22,021 --> 00:44:25,378 which gives it a little bit of better grim. 904 00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:29,008 They also like the kind of the old school wiry kind of designs 905 00:44:29,008 --> 00:44:32,635 on some of the outsouls where they can be a little bit more 906 00:44:32,635 --> 00:44:35,704 tacky, like, where like in the literal sense, not tacky in 907 00:44:35,704 --> 00:44:40,243 terms of like a social sense. But like, where it's just like I 908 00:44:40,243 --> 00:44:43,893 go to, you know? Yep. almost like scratchy on the 909 00:44:43,893 --> 00:44:47,578 ground, but they hold up really well and have great traction. 910 00:44:47,579 --> 00:44:50,549 I feel like, yeah, they're one of the few companies that 911 00:44:50,549 --> 00:44:52,438 haven't really moved completely away from that. 912 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,169 Because I feel like, what, 15 years ago. everyone was doing 913 00:44:55,169 --> 00:44:56,938 that. Yeah, a little bit. 914 00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:58,978 Yeah. And now racing models. 915 00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:01,544 Yep. Well, because it's so easy to 916 00:45:01,544 --> 00:45:05,031 shave weight off a shoe by reducing the outdoor rubber, but 917 00:45:05,031 --> 00:45:08,518 then you see how poor the durability is as a result. 918 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:11,570 Yeah, I did see someone like in a triathlon or something like 919 00:45:11,570 --> 00:45:15,126 eat it on a turn, like on a slick little road, like in the, 920 00:45:15,126 --> 00:45:18,179 I think it was the Atty Zero SL. Oh. 921 00:45:18,179 --> 00:45:23,038 Yeah, attraction's not... like, why does it have to be the SO? 922 00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:26,382 You know? Because so many people like that 923 00:45:26,382 --> 00:45:28,618 too. Yeah, that's fair. 924 00:45:28,619 --> 00:45:32,425 All right, David, what you got? Yeah, so we're going performance 925 00:45:32,425 --> 00:45:33,538 trainer, right? Yep. 926 00:45:33,539 --> 00:45:35,878 So I'm gonna go. I got 2 here. 927 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,678 I'll go honorable mention first. Now, this is also in wake of 928 00:45:40,678 --> 00:45:45,566 recent running, and this was the top of the list and now has 929 00:45:45,566 --> 00:45:48,482 switched positions. But I'm going to go with the 930 00:45:48,482 --> 00:45:50,638 Saucony Endorphin Azura for my honorable mention. 931 00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:54,611 PWRRUN PB midsole. It got a late stage rocker, 932 00:45:54,611 --> 00:45:56,218 stiffer platform, very stable underfoot. 933 00:45:56,219 --> 00:45:59,963 The power on PB is firmer, but it is snappy and bouncy. 934 00:45:59,963 --> 00:46:02,458 The weight's lower, the price point's like 150. 935 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:06,391 Like, it's just that versatile, can do a little bit of 936 00:46:06,391 --> 00:46:10,318 everything, just solid shoe, and I've been really happy with it. 937 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,836 The one thing that I'm noticing, though, is that I forgot that 938 00:46:13,836 --> 00:46:18,218 when I 1st got it, I did kind of have to figure out the geometry 939 00:46:18,218 --> 00:46:22,014 just a little bit, it kind of, the way the heels beveled and 940 00:46:22,014 --> 00:46:24,058 the how late the forefoot rocker is. 941 00:46:24,059 --> 00:46:26,818 It can feel a little bit like a stiff shank in the midfoot. 942 00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:29,158 If you don't land on it quite right. 943 00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,098 And I can see why not everyone gets along with this shoe. 944 00:46:32,099 --> 00:46:35,333 But, uh, once I figure it out and I kind of lean forward just 945 00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:38,098 to touch more and you get you get it down, it's great. 946 00:46:38,099 --> 00:46:41,006 You know, and I feel like I can still run rhythmically and 947 00:46:41,006 --> 00:46:44,394 decently easy, but it does feel like I can turn over and go fast 948 00:46:44,394 --> 00:46:46,579 as well. So especially at the price 949 00:46:46,579 --> 00:46:48,178 point. I think it's an excellent shoe. 950 00:46:48,179 --> 00:46:51,427 I just like the other shoe that I'm about to say, a little bit 951 00:46:51,427 --> 00:46:54,584 more. And ironically, it is in the 952 00:46:54,584 --> 00:46:57,178 same category. Also $150. 953 00:46:57,179 --> 00:47:00,273 You probably know what I'm about to put up and that's going to be 954 00:47:00,273 --> 00:47:04,320 the Puma Deviate Pure Nitro. Wow, that shoe was like, I don't 955 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:09,187 get wild very often, you know, and it's just like, It just 956 00:47:09,187 --> 00:47:11,518 packs a punch at the price point. 957 00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:14,989 And it's the same thing. Moderate stack, like 37, I 958 00:47:14,989 --> 00:47:17,719 think. Something like that, 37, 20. 959 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,556 Yes. 29? Yeah. 8 millimeter drop with 960 00:47:20,556 --> 00:47:23,038 just full length, just nitro foam. 961 00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:26,580 Nothing insane about it. It's just a, like a soft but 962 00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:29,280 still pretty responsive foam, really good traction with the 963 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,195 Puma Grip outsole. And the upper is super simple, 964 00:47:32,195 --> 00:47:34,913 but it's really comfortable. Like, it's one of those shoes 965 00:47:34,913 --> 00:47:37,858 where it's like pure neutral. Just not a whole lot of frills 966 00:47:37,858 --> 00:47:40,678 to it, but everything on it, there's like no wasted space. 967 00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:45,358 And like in my in like men's 9. It's like 7.5 ounces. 968 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,358 So it's just like, I can run easy in it. 969 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,392 I can run fast in it and it's just a versatile shoe that feels 970 00:47:52,392 --> 00:47:55,318 good across a variety of things. Not quite as rockered. 971 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,948 You know, you definitely have a bevel and you definitely have a 972 00:47:57,948 --> 00:48:00,795 little bit of rounding, but it feels like when you load it, it 973 00:48:00,795 --> 00:48:03,423 just has just a slight little bit more time on the forefoot 974 00:48:03,423 --> 00:48:06,270 where it feels a little bit more natural where you could dig into 975 00:48:06,270 --> 00:48:09,863 the ground and kind of take off. Yeah, so if you're looking for 976 00:48:09,863 --> 00:48:12,949 like a really rocket experience. It isn't that, but it's 977 00:48:12,949 --> 00:48:15,685 definitely kind of like that neutral, simple trainer and it's 978 00:48:15,685 --> 00:48:16,618 good. It's really good. 979 00:48:16,619 --> 00:48:22,120 I will say and adding on to that, that the pure is one of my 980 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,633 runner-ups for sure. And it's, again, I think the 981 00:48:24,633 --> 00:48:26,278 pure, they got the pure name down. 982 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,384 I think I just put up a review and I was kind of like, I was 983 00:48:29,384 --> 00:48:31,518 hoping for something just a teeny bouncy, but that would go 984 00:48:31,518 --> 00:48:33,514 against the name. Like, they have the velocity, 985 00:48:33,514 --> 00:48:35,474 nitro 4. They have others with like the 986 00:48:35,474 --> 00:48:37,954 ATPU foams. I think this is a good job at 987 00:48:37,954 --> 00:48:40,213 the price point of being a simple, versatile performance 988 00:48:40,213 --> 00:48:42,472 trainer, meaning it's not necessarily the best of those 989 00:48:42,472 --> 00:48:43,978 things, but it does training well. 990 00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:46,996 I will say one of the reasons it's a runner-up is it took 991 00:48:46,996 --> 00:48:49,078 forever to break in, and I was very surprised. 992 00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:50,969 And somebody mentioned that there might actually be some 993 00:48:50,969 --> 00:48:53,363 kind of shank in here. We'd gone back and forth where 994 00:48:53,363 --> 00:48:55,379 that's not listed, but it wouldn't surprise me because 995 00:48:55,379 --> 00:48:57,843 again, like the Azure, it's a little stiffer than I would 996 00:48:57,843 --> 00:49:00,298 expect, but I think that's just because the midfoot's so wide. 997 00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:03,382 So once it breaks in, actually, like borderline stable neutral 998 00:49:03,382 --> 00:49:06,770 in the midfoot, really smooth transition, a great do it all 999 00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:08,591 shoe. I got 100 miles in these, I 1000 00:49:08,591 --> 00:49:10,678 really enjoyed it. Upper is definitely more snug. 1001 00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:14,739 It does break in and gives you a really nice close fit, but a 1002 00:49:14,739 --> 00:49:17,922 great shoe for being able to do kind of everything without 1003 00:49:17,922 --> 00:49:20,218 having that aggressive rocker. So I think the pure name. 1004 00:49:20,219 --> 00:49:23,997 They did a really good job with on the same vein. 1005 00:49:23,997 --> 00:49:26,398 Another runner-up is for me, the Azura. 1006 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,438 And for the same reasons, David was talking about. 1007 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,957 I love this shoe for daily training, and especially for 1008 00:49:31,957 --> 00:49:35,818 long workouts, for long runs and long tempo runs, it's great. 1009 00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:38,782 It's not the bounciest phone, but that forefoot rocker just 1010 00:49:38,782 --> 00:49:40,558 rolls so nicely at longer efforts. 1011 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:44,070 And again, it's probably one of my top stable neutral shoes just 1012 00:49:44,070 --> 00:49:47,021 because midfoot's filled in. Side wall is pretty decent, and 1013 00:49:47,021 --> 00:49:49,986 the lateral cutout makes this actually feel like a medial 1014 00:49:49,986 --> 00:49:52,709 stability shoe. There is no true perform, like 1015 00:49:52,709 --> 00:49:55,900 stability performance trainer, unless you want to talk about 1016 00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:59,440 this, which technically isn't supposed to exist on the US 1017 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,330 market, so we won't talk about it. get in trouble, but people 1018 00:50:03,330 --> 00:50:05,578 have already heard me talk about that shoe. 1019 00:50:05,579 --> 00:50:09,359 If you can see it, uh, It's the, for the listeners, I am talking 1020 00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:12,329 about the Saucony Tempest 3, which, for those that watch a 1021 00:50:12,329 --> 00:50:14,489 lot. I was like, we're not going to 1022 00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:17,020 talk about it. It's just in case you really 1023 00:50:17,020 --> 00:50:19,259 want to know. In case you really want to know. 1024 00:50:19,260 --> 00:50:21,726 But for those who want something available in the U.S. market, 1025 00:50:21,726 --> 00:50:23,518 the Azura is also really good for that. 1026 00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:27,457 Not necessarily full and like short racing, but as a like 1027 00:50:27,457 --> 00:50:30,316 stable, long, like marathon, half marathon shoe, really, 1028 00:50:30,316 --> 00:50:32,458 really good option in the regard. 1029 00:50:32,460 --> 00:50:34,978 Just know the forefoot rocker is pretty aggressive. 1030 00:50:34,980 --> 00:50:36,598 Like, David mentioned a little later. 1031 00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:39,935 For me, it just feels massive, like I'm almost falling off it, 1032 00:50:39,935 --> 00:50:43,259 which again feels better on long efforts, not as good on short. 1033 00:50:43,260 --> 00:50:46,498 So I just talked about $250 shoes. 1034 00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:48,118 I'm going to go the exact opposite direction. 1035 00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:52,619 My performance trainer of the year by far is the On Cloud 1036 00:50:52,619 --> 00:50:56,429 Monster Hyper 3 LS. I have almost 200 miles in the 1037 00:50:56,429 --> 00:50:58,380 shoe. Those who are watching can see 1038 00:50:58,380 --> 00:50:59,998 the outsoles intact, those are listening. 1039 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,738 There's like no wear on the outsole. 1040 00:51:01,739 --> 00:51:05,518 The upper is still working well. It's also aggressively stable. 1041 00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,711 Like, if you didn't tell me, and you, or if you told me, hey, 1042 00:51:08,711 --> 00:51:11,447 this is a like a medial stability show, I'd be like, no, 1043 00:51:11,447 --> 00:51:13,978 I think you're right. The arch is super high. 1044 00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:18,358 The side walls are super high, and it's also extremely light. 1045 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,906 Like it's lighter than a lot of the super racing shoes out 1046 00:51:20,906 --> 00:51:23,009 there. So it's like 44 millimeters in 1047 00:51:23,009 --> 00:51:25,678 the heel. Um, it's 38 in the forefoot. 1048 00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:28,054 I believe it's a 6 millimeter drop, I think, someone can tell 1049 00:51:28,054 --> 00:51:30,418 me if I'm wrong, but I had to use this for everything. 1050 00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:33,864 I've used it for every type of workout from track workouts to 1051 00:51:33,864 --> 00:51:35,518 long tempos. I've used it for long runs. 1052 00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:38,789 I've used it for easy runs. I've done everything and it does 1053 00:51:38,789 --> 00:51:42,022 everything well. So this is my definition of a 1054 00:51:42,022 --> 00:51:45,652 performance trainer, although I've actually put it in with the 1055 00:51:45,652 --> 00:51:48,174 racing shoes. And if I have to do a longer 1056 00:51:48,174 --> 00:51:50,862 race, I'm going to either use this or grab another pair of 1057 00:51:50,862 --> 00:51:53,326 these because the only thing that's stable enough for me and 1058 00:51:53,326 --> 00:51:55,259 it's just fast. It's 7.3 ounces. 1059 00:51:55,260 --> 00:52:00,030 I think in my men's size 10. Um, super light and just really 1060 00:52:00,030 --> 00:52:03,383 snappy underfoot. If you told me there was a plate 1061 00:52:03,383 --> 00:52:06,261 in this, I would also believe you, but there isn't, 1062 00:52:06,261 --> 00:52:08,844 supposedly, sniff, stiff, snappy, and the upper is working 1063 00:52:08,844 --> 00:52:11,578 out well. The light spray upper does work. 1064 00:52:11,579 --> 00:52:14,278 We were very hesitant with this thing. 1065 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,711 It really does work and I've been very impressed, but that's 1066 00:52:16,711 --> 00:52:18,478 also why it's at a $280 price point. 1067 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,938 So, yes, and you can't find these online. 1068 00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:22,678 Somebody comment, they're like, oh, I can't find them. 1069 00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:24,598 Running warehouse has them. A lot of people have a, you're 1070 00:52:24,598 --> 00:52:26,098 just not going to be able to get them on discount. 1071 00:52:26,099 --> 00:52:28,260 That's just the way it goes. But yeah, this is my performance 1072 00:52:28,260 --> 00:52:30,899 trainer of the year. It has been absolutely awesome, 1073 00:52:30,899 --> 00:52:33,778 just really expensive and durability and performance wise. 1074 00:52:33,780 --> 00:52:36,323 I kinda get it. There are racing shoes that do 1075 00:52:36,323 --> 00:52:38,698 not perform as well that cost that same amount. 1076 00:52:38,699 --> 00:52:43,248 Yeah, I like the pick. For me, I feel like the foam, 1077 00:52:43,248 --> 00:52:46,270 however, I run. I just can't seem to engage that 1078 00:52:46,270 --> 00:52:50,366 HF foam the way I'd like in the LS, where like, I can totally 1079 00:52:50,366 --> 00:52:53,286 see why people are saying that that's like the performance 1080 00:52:53,286 --> 00:52:55,199 trainer. To me, they're both the same 1081 00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:56,818 with the LS being slightly better. 1082 00:52:56,820 --> 00:52:59,698 I kind of just I lump them together for me personally. 1083 00:52:59,699 --> 00:53:02,398 But with the massive drop in weight, though. 1084 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,110 It automatically throws it into that, like, potential where you 1085 00:53:05,110 --> 00:53:08,633 have a nice foam and it's sub 8 ounces, like, so there's no 1086 00:53:08,633 --> 00:53:12,148 reason why you can't turn it over, even if it's not the most 1087 00:53:12,148 --> 00:53:15,778 poppy thing on the planet. So I like the pick. 1088 00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:17,573 Yeah. Speaking of poppy, ready to do 1089 00:53:17,573 --> 00:53:19,558 your racing shoes of the year so far? 1090 00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,471 I thought I was going to have a little bit more competition for 1091 00:53:22,471 --> 00:53:25,498 this one. Um, I'll give a shout out. 1092 00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:28,678 So there are still some super shoes I still have to try. 1093 00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:33,874 So I will say that I still need to run in, I have it right here 1094 00:53:33,874 --> 00:53:35,947 somewhere. The sock and endorphin will eat 1095 00:53:35,947 --> 00:53:38,372 three. So this one I still need to run 1096 00:53:38,372 --> 00:53:41,298 in. And uh, we just had one come in 1097 00:53:41,298 --> 00:53:44,259 recently that I'm blanking on. Oh, the Brooks Hyperion elite 1098 00:53:44,259 --> 00:53:46,198 six. So those 2 I have not run in. 1099 00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,778 So you can exclude that from this conversation. 1100 00:53:48,780 --> 00:53:50,849 Who knows? Maybe they'll blow my mind away 1101 00:53:50,849 --> 00:53:55,199 and then I'll change my mind. I thought the Puma Deviate Nitro 1102 00:53:55,199 --> 00:54:01,829 Elite 4 was going to make a push, and it didn't rival the 1103 00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:04,992 shoe for me. It felt like this shoe, just not 1104 00:54:04,992 --> 00:54:08,714 as good. And that is the Brooks, my gosh, 1105 00:54:08,714 --> 00:54:11,429 Brooks. Oh my gosh, Mizuno Hyperwarp 1106 00:54:11,429 --> 00:54:12,778 Pure. Why did I say? 1107 00:54:12,780 --> 00:54:15,418 I thinking Hyperion elite for some reason in my head. 1108 00:54:15,420 --> 00:54:21,598 Yeah, the Mizuno Hyperwarp Pure. And I've got reasons for it. 1109 00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,472 You know, it's not, it's not at the 40 millimeter stack, like a 1110 00:54:24,472 --> 00:54:27,058 lot of the other super shoes. It's a moderate stack height. 1111 00:54:27,059 --> 00:54:29,038 It's like right in around that 35 range. 1112 00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:33,298 And it's sub 5 ounces. It's like feather light. 1113 00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,304 Like, this is like one of those shoes when someone hands it to 1114 00:54:35,304 --> 00:54:36,509 you. You're like, whoa, what the 1115 00:54:36,509 --> 00:54:38,013 heck? Like, you start playing with it, 1116 00:54:38,013 --> 00:54:40,378 you're like, there's no way it could be this light, right? 1117 00:54:40,380 --> 00:54:42,478 Like there's a few shoes on the market that are that light. 1118 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,056 You know, when you have like the Metaspeed Ray, you have the Mira 1119 00:54:47,056 --> 00:54:52,330 from 361, like, and then now the new Adios Pro Evo, uh, 3 or Evo 1120 00:54:52,330 --> 00:54:55,138 Pro 3, which I have not held yet. 1121 00:54:55,139 --> 00:54:59,699 But when you start getting down to 4 ounces, like, it starts 1122 00:54:59,699 --> 00:55:01,978 getting noticeably lighter than everything else. 1123 00:55:01,980 --> 00:55:04,259 And I feel like it's not unstable. 1124 00:55:04,260 --> 00:55:06,958 Where the ray, I had a little bit of an issue with stability. 1125 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,718 I feel like it feels grounded enough. 1126 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,358 The forefoot's super wide, very stable underfoot. 1127 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,578 The heel is definitely neutral, but it's not bad. 1128 00:55:14,579 --> 00:55:18,454 And I feel like it's just rocket enough for me to still be able 1129 00:55:18,454 --> 00:55:20,969 to fall into rhythm. Initially when we 1st got seat 1130 00:55:20,969 --> 00:55:24,022 of the hyper warp pairs, I thought I was going to be more 1131 00:55:24,022 --> 00:55:27,298 in the elites camp, which is the next one down, I guess you could 1132 00:55:27,298 --> 00:55:29,638 say, in the list, but it's higher up in stack. 1133 00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:34,282 It's the more traditional, like 39.5 to whatever it is in the 1134 00:55:34,282 --> 00:55:36,598 forefoot, probably more for the marathon. 1135 00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,382 But then like as I ran more in the hyperwarps, I was like, you 1136 00:55:39,382 --> 00:55:41,035 know what? Like, this one's lighter and 1137 00:55:41,035 --> 00:55:43,918 it's just a little bit down. It still has enough cushioning. 1138 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,363 And I was like, I feel like I just like the pure better than 1139 00:55:47,363 --> 00:55:49,078 the elite, even for the longer distances. 1140 00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:51,118 I just got to train myself up for it a little bit. 1141 00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,303 Admittedly, right now, I don't know if I can run a marathon in, 1142 00:55:53,303 --> 00:55:55,991 but I don't know if I can run a marathon in a lot of shoes right 1143 00:55:55,991 --> 00:55:57,720 now. So, like, when I'm in shape to 1144 00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:59,727 actually run a marathon, competitively, I think I could 1145 00:55:59,727 --> 00:56:02,998 run a marathon in it. Uh, but yeah, great. 1146 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,759 I mean, definitely no hesitation for 5K 10 K half. 1147 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,707 Like this shoe can rip. And, uh, yeah, PEBA, you know, 1148 00:56:09,707 --> 00:56:13,124 full-length PEBA midsole, good outsole traction on the 1149 00:56:13,124 --> 00:56:15,718 forefoot, durable. It's nice. 1150 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,898 I think for how light they got it and how responsive it is. 1151 00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:20,878 It's not unstable, and I think that's a huge win. 1152 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,079 Um, because it's hard to go that light without sacrificing 1153 00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:27,468 stability. So I think they did a great job 1154 00:56:27,468 --> 00:56:29,592 with it. So I'm going to go with the 1155 00:56:29,592 --> 00:56:31,199 hyperwarp pure. Again, I thought the Deviate 1156 00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:33,478 Nitro Elite 4 was going to give it a run. 1157 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,946 And when I put it on, it felt basically like this, except just 1158 00:56:36,946 --> 00:56:39,872 a little bit heavier and honestly not quite a snappy up 1159 00:56:39,872 --> 00:56:41,665 front. And I know a lot of people 1160 00:56:41,665 --> 00:56:44,499 really like the Deviate Nitro Elite 4 and I did like it for 1161 00:56:44,499 --> 00:56:46,678 what it's worth, but I just like this one more. 1162 00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:49,858 That makes sense. Andrew, you ready? 1163 00:56:49,860 --> 00:56:52,318 All right. I've got an honorable mention. 1164 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:57,058 Um, and that is the Saucony Endorphin Elite 3. 1165 00:56:57,059 --> 00:57:01,216 I really love the foam. Like when I put when the shoe 1166 00:57:01,216 --> 00:57:04,120 came, whenever shoes come, I like get them out of the box, 1167 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,298 walk around the house, like bounce around in them. 1168 00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:10,055 It's like, this foam is special. I haven't felt a shoe that feels 1169 00:57:10,055 --> 00:57:14,329 like this in a while. Super bouncy, feels light on 1170 00:57:14,329 --> 00:57:16,438 foot. I was excited to run in it. 1171 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,184 It's fast, it's responsive, felt great if I was doing like 5 K 10 1172 00:57:21,184 --> 00:57:24,035 K pace work. The only negative and it's kind 1173 00:57:24,035 --> 00:57:27,538 of a big negative. is it's so unstable if you corner. 1174 00:57:27,539 --> 00:57:32,313 Like, I just felt like it was going to like bounce me in the 1175 00:57:32,313 --> 00:57:34,018 opposite direction I was turning. 1176 00:57:34,019 --> 00:57:37,978 I would never use it in a race that had a ton of tight corners. 1177 00:57:37,980 --> 00:57:41,760 But I would consider using it in a race that was just in a 1178 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,640 straight line. But that being said... 1179 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,978 Boston Marathon special specialist. 1180 00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:50,098 Yeah, or like grandma's marathon special. 1181 00:57:50,099 --> 00:57:52,381 Be careful. Hills can also be very odd in 1182 00:57:52,381 --> 00:57:54,658 that shoot, and I'll tell you from personal experience. 1183 00:57:54,659 --> 00:57:56,998 So yeah. I've done hills in it. 1184 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,459 I didn't I didn't think it was bad on hills, but cornering is 1185 00:58:02,459 --> 00:58:04,738 just... Mario Karting experience. 1186 00:58:04,739 --> 00:58:08,878 CIM only has a few corners too. It's mostly straight. 1187 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,869 There's a couple of sweeping turns, but... 1188 00:58:11,869 --> 00:58:16,138 But I mean, kudos to Sockane for developing this foam. 1189 00:58:16,139 --> 00:58:18,958 Incredible. Incredible. 1190 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,848 Yeah. It is a very special foam, and 1191 00:58:21,848 --> 00:58:25,198 I'm excited to see what else they do with it. 1192 00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:29,640 But my number one racing shoe. And again, I've got a caveat, 1193 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,240 this with the only races I've done this year are track races, 1194 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,740 and I've done all of them in the Nike Victory 2 Spike, which is a 1195 00:58:37,740 --> 00:58:40,618 2026 shoe. I do love the victory 2 spike. 1196 00:58:40,619 --> 00:58:42,778 I've tested a few spikes this year. 1197 00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:47,304 The only one I've really liked so far is the on Cloud Spike, 1198 00:58:47,304 --> 00:58:50,002 Sidious 2. I think that might be a good 1199 00:58:50,002 --> 00:58:53,549 like mile racing spike for me. But for anything shorter, I've 1200 00:58:53,549 --> 00:58:57,900 really liked the victory too. So this is a theoretical racing 1201 00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:01,119 shoe award. If I was going to race, say, 1202 00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:06,899 like a 5 K or a 10 K or a half, I would also be choosing the 1203 00:59:06,899 --> 00:59:09,598 Mizuno Hyperwarp Pure. That's right. 1204 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:13,259 So, just like David said, this shoe is crazy light. 1205 00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:18,200 And it's nearly as light as the Streakfly 2, but it has a 1206 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,098 completely different field in it. 1207 00:59:20,099 --> 00:59:23,323 Like the Streakfly 2. I probably wouldn't use it for 1208 00:59:23,323 --> 00:59:26,455 anything longer than a mile. I've used it for several road 1209 00:59:26,455 --> 00:59:30,972 miles and a mile on the track. This shoe I would not use for a 1210 00:59:30,972 --> 00:59:33,324 mile. It doesn't feel fast enough for 1211 00:59:33,324 --> 00:59:35,409 that. But I could absolutely see 1212 00:59:35,409 --> 00:59:37,858 myself racing a half marathon in it. 1213 00:59:37,860 --> 00:59:40,366 Again, like David, I'm not sure about a marathon because I just 1214 00:59:40,366 --> 00:59:42,238 haven't done that type of training in a while. 1215 00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:49,099 But this shoe is wild in terms of its weight, how snappy it is, 1216 00:59:49,099 --> 00:59:53,500 but it is also like the Hyperwarp Pro, immediately 1217 00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:55,978 biased shoe. It's not. 1218 00:59:55,980 --> 01:00:00,913 I wouldn't say it is quite as aggressive in terms of feeling 1219 01:00:00,913 --> 01:00:05,023 that medial bias, but it's lighter and you can definitely 1220 01:00:05,023 --> 01:00:09,774 feel it pushing you immediately. It just, it feels like it moves 1221 01:00:09,774 --> 01:00:13,618 exactly how my feet want to move while supporting them. 1222 01:00:13,619 --> 01:00:18,305 Very responsive midsole. Again, like David said, the 1223 01:00:18,305 --> 01:00:21,982 forefoot rocker isn't anything aggressive, but it's just well 1224 01:00:21,982 --> 01:00:24,838 shaped to help you very quickly transition. 1225 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,584 And I've done a lot of workouts in the shoe, you know, ranging 1226 01:00:28,584 --> 01:00:32,328 from threshold pace down to 5 k pace and it can handle anything 1227 01:00:32,328 --> 01:00:35,496 I throw at in. Um, I'm sure it could handle 1228 01:00:35,496 --> 01:00:39,528 mile pace, but it just wouldn't be my top mile racing shoe 1229 01:00:39,528 --> 01:00:43,558 simply because the Streakfly 2 is truly the best shoe for that. 1230 01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:48,118 But, Mizuno hyperwarp, pure, very well done. 1231 01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:51,658 I'm excited to see what direction they take the shoe in. 1232 01:00:51,659 --> 01:00:54,929 All right. You know, I will say, the 1233 01:00:54,929 --> 01:00:56,518 opposite direction. Go for it, dude. 1234 01:00:56,519 --> 01:00:59,639 I was just going to say ever since Chrissy Gere won like that 1235 01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:02,759 one, was it 5th Avenue or there was that really fast road mile 1236 01:01:02,759 --> 01:01:05,158 she ran and won it in the Cloud X one. 1237 01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:08,648 Ever since then, I was like, everything's a mile shoe at this 1238 01:01:08,648 --> 01:01:09,658 point. I don't know. 1239 01:01:09,659 --> 01:01:11,779 Either she's Superwoman or like... 1240 01:01:11,779 --> 01:01:16,018 Now that she's been a phenomenal runner through that year. 1241 01:01:16,019 --> 01:01:19,618 That shoe version one was insanely bouncy. 1242 01:01:19,619 --> 01:01:22,499 Like, I remember that. And I was like, yo, you know 1243 01:01:22,499 --> 01:01:23,698 what? I wasn't fully surprised. 1244 01:01:23,699 --> 01:01:26,104 It would be heavier than I would choose, but based on the things 1245 01:01:26,104 --> 01:01:28,318 I felt in it, I'm like, nope, I kind of get that. 1246 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,898 Yeah, you know, so it is what it is. 1247 01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:34,134 All right, I have three. I'm going to do 2 honorable 1248 01:01:34,134 --> 01:01:36,323 mentions and both of them are simpler and it's because I 1249 01:01:36,323 --> 01:01:38,908 cannot control these things to save my life, but as long as I'm 1250 01:01:38,908 --> 01:01:40,378 running in a straight line. They great. 1251 01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:45,308 Um, the Saucony Endorphin Elite 3 is just incredible to run in, 1252 01:01:45,308 --> 01:01:48,229 sorry. Um, it's it's insanely soft, 1253 01:01:48,229 --> 01:01:52,738 it's insanely bouncy, great for flat, straight line efforts. 1254 01:01:52,739 --> 01:01:55,438 Anything outside of that, I cannot control. 1255 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,679 The foam is so soft. I had a rough race that was a 1256 01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:01,738 very hilly turny course and it just ripped me a new one. 1257 01:02:01,739 --> 01:02:04,079 And part of it was I was also overtraining and very sick when 1258 01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,599 I ran it and got really upset and had a pity party and then 1259 01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:09,952 turn around from it. But I think fit wise, feel wise, 1260 01:02:09,952 --> 01:02:14,458 so much better than version two, where this isn't a elite shoe. 1261 01:02:14,460 --> 01:02:18,014 You're going to see it on a lot of people's feet running, 1262 01:02:18,014 --> 01:02:19,198 especially marathons, half marathons. 1263 01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:22,403 If you can control it for that long, me personally, I cannot 1264 01:02:22,403 --> 01:02:25,866 control it for that long of a distance, but it is so bouncy 1265 01:02:25,866 --> 01:02:27,847 and fun. It's like a really fun shoot to 1266 01:02:27,847 --> 01:02:29,651 run it. So definitely an honorable 1267 01:02:29,651 --> 01:02:31,318 mention. Another honor mentioned. 1268 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,033 Yes. Can I say something about that 1269 01:02:33,033 --> 01:02:33,838 show? Yeah. 1270 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,400 Um, yes. One of the best fitting racing 1271 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,002 shoes out there. Wide at the ball of the foot, 1272 01:02:40,002 --> 01:02:43,498 squared off toe box. Good job, Saucony. 1273 01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:47,172 This is a great... No heel counter, super, like, it 1274 01:02:47,172 --> 01:02:50,831 is by far the best fitting upper of any super shoe racing shoe 1275 01:02:50,831 --> 01:02:52,798 out there and probably for a while. 1276 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,718 Another... Yep. 1277 01:02:57,719 --> 01:02:59,638 Yeah, okay. Yep. 1278 01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:04,079 I will say a fan of that upper. I'm super excited for version 1279 01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:05,649 six. That might topple all this 1280 01:03:05,649 --> 01:03:07,480 stuff. But another honorable mention is 1281 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,640 going to be the Hoka Cielo X1 version 3, just because it's in 1282 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,498 the same vein. It's wild. 1283 01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:16,198 It's crazy rocker. bouncy. It's not stable. 1284 01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:19,083 So running in a straight line. going to be great. got to have 1285 01:03:19,083 --> 01:03:21,495 good ankle stability for this, but been really fun and got lots 1286 01:03:21,495 --> 01:03:24,418 of miles on this shoe. I haven't raced in it. 1287 01:03:24,420 --> 01:03:27,174 I'm trying to figure out. ready to race a mile here in a couple 1288 01:03:27,174 --> 01:03:29,398 weeks and trying to figure out, do we use something like this? 1289 01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,892 Do I grab the fast R 3 because it's the fastest thing I have, 1290 01:03:31,892 --> 01:03:34,018 or do I use the next shoe that I'm going to grab? 1291 01:03:34,019 --> 01:03:37,289 It's a really fun shoe. It does fit very snug and low 1292 01:03:37,289 --> 01:03:38,818 volume. It does open up over time. 1293 01:03:38,820 --> 01:03:41,454 Heel counters really flexible, upper fits close, like a racing 1294 01:03:41,454 --> 01:03:43,558 shoot, like a lot of racing shoes do. 1295 01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:46,138 Some very interesting rolling geometry. 1296 01:03:46,139 --> 01:03:49,265 Four foot strikers don't work for me. like landing forward 1297 01:03:49,265 --> 01:03:50,818 doesn't work like it lands really well. 1298 01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:54,447 You got to hit that like answer your midfoot heel, but you get 1299 01:03:54,447 --> 01:03:56,398 there, it bounces you along really great. 1300 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,328 So another shoe, if you've got stable mechanics, it's going to 1301 01:03:58,328 --> 01:04:00,828 be great. But my racing shoe of the year 1302 01:04:00,828 --> 01:04:04,512 so far has been some of the things I've gotten the best 1303 01:04:04,512 --> 01:04:08,194 workouts out of, and I should have raced in, is the Puma 1304 01:04:08,194 --> 01:04:11,034 Deviate Nitro Elite 4. And to David's point, getting up 1305 01:04:11,034 --> 01:04:14,800 on your toes doesn't feel like the best, but for me as a heel 1306 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,678 striker, smashing that heel is so quick. 1307 01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:18,118 It's one of those shoes where warming up. 1308 01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:19,438 I'm like, this is not going to be that great. 1309 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,018 But then once I really hit the end of the workout. 1310 01:04:22,019 --> 01:04:24,478 I'm like, oh, I got it. It's stiff. 1311 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,934 It's very, like it will put what you, it will give you what you 1312 01:04:27,934 --> 01:04:30,552 put into the shoe. Upper is very classic puma, very 1313 01:04:30,552 --> 01:04:33,534 light, very close fit, little more room than you'd expect for 1314 01:04:33,534 --> 01:04:36,382 some of these shoes. But I also think it's very 1315 01:04:36,382 --> 01:04:39,605 approachable for a lot of people going, it's not the softest 1316 01:04:39,605 --> 01:04:40,980 thing. In fact, it's probably a little 1317 01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:43,138 bit of the opposite end. still really responsive. 1318 01:04:43,139 --> 01:04:45,144 So I think it's going to be more approachable for a lot more 1319 01:04:45,144 --> 01:04:47,940 people. I am also going to say it's not 1320 01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:50,278 stable neutral. I wish it was. 1321 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,879 It's not. There's a lot of people saying 1322 01:04:52,879 --> 01:04:54,778 it's stable neutral. They don't have stability needs. 1323 01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:57,922 I will tell you it's not, but it is a fun shoe that I would use 1324 01:04:57,922 --> 01:05:00,689 like up to the 10 K. I don't know if I could get 1325 01:05:00,689 --> 01:05:02,278 beyond a half marathon in this shoe. 1326 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:06,098 And I am hoping the SC Elite 6 is that shoe, but I haven't 1327 01:05:06,098 --> 01:05:08,818 tested yet and it's supposed to be on the way. 1328 01:05:08,820 --> 01:05:11,518 But I have no other information outside of that on it. 1329 01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:13,978 Yeah, I just wanted to add something. 1330 01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:18,622 I feel like the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 4 is like this newer 1331 01:05:18,622 --> 01:05:22,549 generations version of like the baseline vapor fly from like 5 1332 01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:25,762 years ago, where it's like pretty familiar design, nothing 1333 01:05:25,762 --> 01:05:28,618 overly crazy, but it's a really nice foam. 1334 01:05:28,619 --> 01:05:30,418 It's light. It's got a good geometry. 1335 01:05:30,420 --> 01:05:32,578 Like, it's easily, like, you can race. it. 1336 01:05:32,579 --> 01:05:35,578 It's not like, I'm not saying this to down it at all. 1337 01:05:35,579 --> 01:05:37,018 You know, it's a really good shoe. 1338 01:05:37,019 --> 01:05:39,419 But it's gonna be a more familiar option, I think, for a 1339 01:05:39,419 --> 01:05:41,419 lot of people. So I think people will do well 1340 01:05:41,419 --> 01:05:42,950 in it. And then if you want something 1341 01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:44,278 crazy, They got the fast R, right? 1342 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,758 And I feel like that's kind of what a lot of these companies 1343 01:05:46,758 --> 01:05:49,655 are starting to do. where they kind of have like a baseline 1344 01:05:49,655 --> 01:05:53,114 like this will be your familiar kind of safe option and this is 1345 01:05:53,114 --> 01:05:56,397 our like insane one. But I feel like out of all of 1346 01:05:56,397 --> 01:05:59,167 the shoes, that's probably the most, like, quote unquote, like, 1347 01:05:59,167 --> 01:06:01,800 traditional super shoe. Can we say traditional now for 1348 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,434 super shoes? They've been out for like 10 1349 01:06:03,434 --> 01:06:05,970 years, right? I guess we can. 2016 is when 1350 01:06:05,970 --> 01:06:07,530 they got debuted. Yeah. 1351 01:06:07,530 --> 01:06:11,440 Like, so, like, if you could say traditional, like the 1352 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,350 traditional Super Shoe, I feel like that's probably like the 1353 01:06:15,350 --> 01:06:19,558 gold standard right now for the modern generation. absolutely. 1354 01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:21,997 All right. Are we ready for trail and then 1355 01:06:21,997 --> 01:06:25,655 we can get out of here? Yeah, and you wanted to do 5 in 1356 01:06:25,655 --> 01:06:28,062 each category. how long do you think this episode's going to 1357 01:06:28,062 --> 01:06:29,538 be? He's like, oh, yeah, it'll just 1358 01:06:29,538 --> 01:06:32,099 be 30 seconds a person. I'm like, that is highly 1359 01:06:32,099 --> 01:06:33,778 optimistic. Yeah, okay. 1360 01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:37,558 I was wrong. I was wrong. 1361 01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:41,580 Let's go. And I could be a little bit like 1362 01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:44,218 concise on my words sometimes and even me. 1363 01:06:44,219 --> 01:06:46,378 I'm like, bro, I'm not getting that out in 30 seconds. 1364 01:06:46,380 --> 01:06:50,338 Yes, I was I was wrong. I accept that I was wrong. 1365 01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:53,309 Let's go. Vamos. 1366 01:06:53,309 --> 01:06:55,259 Okay. All right, who wants to go? 1367 01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:57,833 Andrew, why don't you go first? you're actually going to talk 1368 01:06:57,833 --> 01:06:59,332 about something different. I don't have a trail share to 1369 01:06:59,332 --> 01:07:01,439 talk about. Yeah, I don't really test trail 1370 01:07:01,439 --> 01:07:03,818 shoes anymore. It's too technical here in 1371 01:07:03,818 --> 01:07:07,723 Connecticut and I'm just not willing to risk rolling an ankle 1372 01:07:07,723 --> 01:07:10,918 doing something I don't really choose to do anymore. 1373 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,681 So I'm going to talk about my favorite strength training share 1374 01:07:13,681 --> 01:07:16,438 of beer because I've been lucky to get to test several. 1375 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,578 So without question, my favorite is the Xero HT Max. 1376 01:07:20,579 --> 01:07:25,091 Um, I had before I got all these strength training shoes this 1377 01:07:25,091 --> 01:07:29,979 year, I had been using the Xero HFS 2 as my strength training 1378 01:07:29,979 --> 01:07:33,120 shoe, which I really liked. I just felt like the upper was 1379 01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,243 like a little bit loose. So when Xero sent me this one, I 1380 01:07:36,243 --> 01:07:39,021 was thrilled because the upper definitely has a little more 1381 01:07:39,021 --> 01:07:42,134 structure. Um, the sole is designed for 1382 01:07:42,134 --> 01:07:45,178 strength training. So it's flat, it's grippy. 1383 01:07:45,179 --> 01:07:49,987 It's flexible in the toe, less flexible in the heel, although 1384 01:07:49,987 --> 01:07:53,990 still some flex. So it's stable for when you're 1385 01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:58,022 doing like heavy, lower body lifts, dead lifts, lunges, 1386 01:07:58,022 --> 01:08:01,000 Bulgarians, whatnot. Um, but it's also really great 1387 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,615 for agility work. I do a ton of like jump 1388 01:08:04,615 --> 01:08:07,918 variations, ladder stuff, and it's been perfect for that. 1389 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,477 I've even used it for like sled pulls, you know, resisted 1390 01:08:11,477 --> 01:08:13,738 sprints and it can handle that too. 1391 01:08:13,739 --> 01:08:16,106 So most of my use of it is indoors. 1392 01:08:16,106 --> 01:08:19,259 So you can see the outside. It's still in pretty good shape. 1393 01:08:19,260 --> 01:08:24,156 I wonder how well it would handle if I was doing like 1394 01:08:24,156 --> 01:08:27,104 sprints on pavement. Probably it would probably get 1395 01:08:27,104 --> 01:08:30,634 worn out faster. Um, but if you're looking for a 1396 01:08:30,634 --> 01:08:33,482 minimalist strength training shoe, this is definitely my 1397 01:08:33,482 --> 01:08:35,903 favorite. The one thing I changed, this 1398 01:08:35,903 --> 01:08:39,374 shoe came with speed laces. I really didn't like them 1399 01:08:39,374 --> 01:08:43,928 because I had to like readjust the tension every time I put it 1400 01:08:43,928 --> 01:08:45,633 on. So I just put some normal laces 1401 01:08:45,633 --> 01:08:48,962 on here. Um, but this is, of course, a 0 1402 01:08:48,962 --> 01:08:51,898 drop shoe with a very low stack height. 1403 01:08:51,899 --> 01:08:55,175 So you've definitely got to be ready for that type of shoe, but 1404 01:08:55,175 --> 01:08:58,187 if that's what you're looking for, this is by far been my 1405 01:08:58,187 --> 01:08:59,671 favorite. Definitely want to emphasize 1406 01:08:59,671 --> 01:09:02,751 that as another favorite from Xero that's been really, really 1407 01:09:02,751 --> 01:09:03,898 good. Yep. 1408 01:09:03,899 --> 01:09:07,939 All right, David, Trail? Technically any choose a trail 1409 01:09:07,939 --> 01:09:10,978 shoe for you, right? No, no, I don't. 1410 01:09:10,979 --> 01:09:13,139 You just have to believe... Yeah. 1411 01:09:13,140 --> 01:09:15,478 I don't misbehave as much as I used to. 1412 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:20,336 I think I'm also just not as light on my feet as I used to be 1413 01:09:20,336 --> 01:09:23,049 either. Um, yeah, I've got a three-way 1414 01:09:23,049 --> 01:09:27,059 tie and I'll go into kind of wide that is. 1415 01:09:27,060 --> 01:09:31,424 You are the one that's talking about 3 shit. for every single 1416 01:09:31,424 --> 01:09:34,438 category. giving me a hard time for it, then you do it, so fine. 1417 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,064 Okay, whatever. No, but it was going to be a 1418 01:09:36,064 --> 01:09:37,497 three-way time no matter what. All right, fine. 1419 01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:38,578 Okay. Yeah. 1420 01:09:38,578 --> 01:09:41,999 And so I will preface this because 2 of them are like 1421 01:09:41,999 --> 01:09:44,894 practically the same shoe. It's kind of like the Cloud 1422 01:09:44,894 --> 01:09:48,982 Monster 3 to the Cloud Monster 3 or Cloud Monster 3 hyper to the 1423 01:09:48,982 --> 01:09:51,719 3 hyper LS. Those are still completely 1424 01:09:51,719 --> 01:09:53,938 different shoes, but fine. Keep going. 1425 01:09:53,939 --> 01:09:57,323 That same platform. I actually don't know. 1426 01:09:57,323 --> 01:09:59,938 I know they added the Pea in the, yeah. 1427 01:09:59,939 --> 01:10:01,559 Yeah, for the foot bed. I know. 1428 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,794 Got it. Anyways, so we'll go down the 1429 01:10:03,794 --> 01:10:05,836 line here. I'll hold them all up at first 1430 01:10:05,836 --> 01:10:09,059 so so we can see them. So I'll go down the line. 1431 01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:12,360 So holding these 3 up. I'm going to try and just get 1432 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:13,978 them in. get my shirt all dirty now. 1433 01:10:13,979 --> 01:10:20,631 So we have the Salomon S/LAB Ultra Glide 2, Salomon S/LAB — I 1434 01:10:20,631 --> 01:10:24,719 mean, sorry — Salomon Ultra Glide 4, right? 1435 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:25,918 That's what they're on. Yes. 1436 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,878 Yes. And then the Adidas Agravic SL. 1437 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:35,930 Uh, and I've been a huge fan of the Ultra Glide 4 for most of 1438 01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:38,694 the year now. EVA midsole, but it's kind of 1439 01:10:38,694 --> 01:10:41,801 bulbous and it comes off much softer than it feels like it 1440 01:10:41,801 --> 01:10:44,458 should. Very balanced platform to it. 1441 01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:48,859 It's got full contact lugs. Everything about this shoe is 1442 01:10:48,859 --> 01:10:51,540 just nice and versatile. If I'm going on a long outing, I 1443 01:10:51,540 --> 01:10:53,519 feel like I can run, I can hike, I can do whatever. 1444 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,278 And then the upper is pretty plush. 1445 01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:57,719 The speed laces work pretty well. 1446 01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,476 But it's good. Now, however, the foam, it's not 1447 01:11:01,476 --> 01:11:04,590 the most lively foam. It can flatten out a little bit, 1448 01:11:04,590 --> 01:11:06,358 and that's where the S-lab comes in. 1449 01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:09,329 It's basically the same platform, except it uses a 1450 01:11:09,329 --> 01:11:11,891 slightly nicer foam. It uses the Opta foam Plus 1451 01:11:11,891 --> 01:11:15,019 versus the regular Opta foam. Full contact outsole, still that 1452 01:11:15,019 --> 01:11:18,289 bulbous design, a little bit more streamlined matrix upper, 1453 01:11:18,289 --> 01:11:21,610 more race ready. And I feel like it can go slow, 1454 01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:25,019 but it can also go fast. However, it costs a lot. 1455 01:11:25,020 --> 01:11:28,426 So I feel like if I'm like looking at price points and I'm 1456 01:11:28,426 --> 01:11:31,565 only buying one, I might end up going ultra glide because this 1457 01:11:31,565 --> 01:11:34,175 one's right around 160, I believe, versus the S-lab being 1458 01:11:34,175 --> 01:11:37,626 in the 250 range. Uh, so is it like $90 better 1459 01:11:37,626 --> 01:11:40,390 than the other one? I don't know, but it is better 1460 01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:43,819 than the other one, I think. And then also in that 160 area, 1461 01:11:43,819 --> 01:11:48,442 is that a graphic SL? And this is basically like a 1462 01:11:48,442 --> 01:11:53,975 baby between the Agravic Speed series and the Adizero Evo SL 1463 01:11:53,975 --> 01:11:56,329 lineup. So light Strike Pro, full-length 1464 01:11:56,329 --> 01:11:59,056 continental. If we hold it up here, like it's 1465 01:11:59,056 --> 01:12:02,290 very neutral through the heel and midfoot, but I wouldn't say 1466 01:12:02,290 --> 01:12:04,780 it's unstable. And the forefoot actually is 1467 01:12:04,780 --> 01:12:07,812 decently stable up front. The upper is surprisingly 1468 01:12:07,812 --> 01:12:10,078 spacious for an Adidas lineup shoe. 1469 01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:11,854 I feel like they tend to be a little bit more snug and a 1470 01:12:11,854 --> 01:12:14,141 little bit more narrow. I feel like it actually has 1471 01:12:14,141 --> 01:12:17,102 ample space and the synthetic mesh holds itself well through 1472 01:12:17,102 --> 01:12:19,468 trails. It gives a nice like kind of 1473 01:12:19,468 --> 01:12:23,348 more poppy feel to the shoe. And the heel is has one of the 1474 01:12:23,348 --> 01:12:25,978 nicer initial contacts I've had out of any trail shoe. 1475 01:12:25,979 --> 01:12:28,618 So super large bevel, very gradual. 1476 01:12:28,619 --> 01:12:31,019 I thought it was going to be too much at first, but then it ended 1477 01:12:31,019 --> 01:12:34,230 up being fine. So I have to get more miles on 1478 01:12:34,230 --> 01:12:36,958 it before I can truly choose a side. 1479 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:41,506 I feel like I'm torn between the 2 sides, but I kind of lump the 1480 01:12:41,506 --> 01:12:43,627 ultra glides respectively together because they're similar 1481 01:12:43,627 --> 01:12:47,869 enough, even though I like the S Lab, now that I've run it better 1482 01:12:47,869 --> 01:12:50,939 than the regular. I just don't know if I like it 1483 01:12:50,939 --> 01:12:53,099 enough. If I was purchasing my own pair 1484 01:12:53,099 --> 01:12:55,259 to spend the extra 90 bucks on it. 1485 01:12:55,260 --> 01:12:58,259 But for what it's worth, I do think it's better. 1486 01:12:58,260 --> 01:13:00,719 Um, so that's why I have a three-way tie. 1487 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,378 It's kind of like, 2 of them I almost lump together. 1488 01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:08,998 See, that's fair, as opposed. I think the Cloud Monster LS is 1489 01:13:08,998 --> 01:13:11,568 a different beast, although it's built on a somewhat similar 1490 01:13:11,568 --> 01:13:13,618 platform, but yeah, that you were totally right. 1491 01:13:13,619 --> 01:13:16,434 So, yeah. Yeah, so that's where I'm like, 1492 01:13:16,434 --> 01:13:19,277 I don't know, they're both ultra glides, like, and like the 1493 01:13:19,277 --> 01:13:21,599 S-lab's just a little bit nicer across the board. 1494 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,055 Um, but they both still feel similar enough to where I'm 1495 01:13:26,055 --> 01:13:29,219 like, ah, I don't know. makes sense. 1496 01:13:29,220 --> 01:13:33,363 So my trail sheer of the year so far has been a very pleasant 1497 01:13:33,363 --> 01:13:36,179 surprise. It is the Cascadia Elite from 1498 01:13:36,179 --> 01:13:38,158 Brooks. I have loved this shoe. 1499 01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,294 It's probably the best usage of DNA gold I've experienced thus 1500 01:13:41,294 --> 01:13:43,315 far. Upper took me a 2nd to break in 1501 01:13:43,315 --> 01:13:46,127 just because the heel counter is a little bit stiff once I got 1502 01:13:46,127 --> 01:13:47,639 past that. It's awesome. 1503 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,698 Do definitely wear socks, obviously, with a lot of shoes. 1504 01:13:50,699 --> 01:13:53,906 It fits me just a teeny bit short, but on the run, I don't 1505 01:13:53,906 --> 01:13:55,738 notice that at all, and it's been great. 1506 01:13:55,739 --> 01:13:58,124 Wider toe box. Definitely, definitely stable, 1507 01:13:58,124 --> 01:14:02,039 neutral, wonderfully stable, neutral, but the way this thing 1508 01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:05,219 responds underfoot is awesome. Climbing downhills, trying to 1509 01:14:05,219 --> 01:14:09,899 pick up the pace, I've enjoyed this shoe so, so much, and yeah, 1510 01:14:09,899 --> 01:14:13,858 it's why it's been the best one for me thus far. 1511 01:14:13,859 --> 01:14:16,059 There's some decent stuff out there, like the Vectiv Enduris 1512 01:14:16,059 --> 01:14:17,818 500 has been a good stable neutral shoe. 1513 01:14:17,819 --> 01:14:21,403 Um, Kip run sent us the Kip run, uh, Summit Max, which has also 1514 01:14:21,403 --> 01:14:23,963 been really great, but man, the Cascade elite, especially if 1515 01:14:23,963 --> 01:14:27,284 it's price point, as it better be, has been night and day above 1516 01:14:27,284 --> 01:14:30,360 a lot of this stuff. And so really, really, really 1517 01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:34,740 enjoying these thus far. So, those are top shoes at the 1518 01:14:34,740 --> 01:14:37,679 halfway point of this year of 2026. 1519 01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,716 We will have to see if that maintains, because you never 1520 01:14:40,716 --> 01:14:43,108 know what comes out. As I mentioned, the very 1521 01:14:43,108 --> 01:14:46,706 beginning of this, we have some idea of some of the stuff, but a 1522 01:14:46,706 --> 01:14:50,047 lot of the end of the year, we really have are totally blinded 1523 01:14:50,047 --> 01:14:52,100 to what's happening. So we'll have to see if we 1524 01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:54,288 maintain and you'll have to come back and see what happens toward 1525 01:14:54,288 --> 01:14:56,784 the end of the year. As always, we really appreciate 1526 01:14:56,784 --> 01:14:59,128 you listening. We also want to know, hey, what 1527 01:14:59,128 --> 01:15:01,318 are your top shoes of the year thus far? 1528 01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:03,298 Is there anything we missed probably, right? 1529 01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:06,251 Is there anything you would put in exchange or do you agree with 1530 01:15:06,251 --> 01:15:07,897 us? Just let us know in the comments 1531 01:15:07,897 --> 01:15:09,593 below. You can follow us on all the 1532 01:15:09,593 --> 01:15:12,043 different channels. You can find us on the various 1533 01:15:12,043 --> 01:15:14,229 places, um, for listening. if you're listening to this 1534 01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:15,840 podcast, right? Spotify, the various places 1535 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,688 there. If you want to find this 1536 01:15:17,688 --> 01:15:20,784 visually, you can see us on YouTube every week, we post the 1537 01:15:20,784 --> 01:15:23,872 video, and then, of course, you can find all of our other 1538 01:15:23,872 --> 01:15:26,699 content on our main website, on Instagram, on LinkedIn, any of 1539 01:15:26,699 --> 01:15:28,498 those areas you consume, let us know. 1540 01:15:28,500 --> 01:15:31,019 You're also always welcome to send us emails. 1541 01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:33,204 We are a little bit slow right now because we get such a high 1542 01:15:33,204 --> 01:15:35,658 volume, but we turn those in. To things like mailbags would be 1543 01:15:35,658 --> 01:15:38,686 a better way to kind of reach out and express how answer 1544 01:15:38,686 --> 01:15:40,198 questions, the ways that help everybody. 1545 01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:40,331 We really hope you enjoy this and as always, hope you're 1546 01:15:40,331 --> 01:15:40,463 enjoying this wherever you are on the run, wherever, and hope 1547 01:15:40,463 --> 01:15:40,595 it helps you figure out more about what you're putting on 1548 01:15:40,595 --> 01:15:40,619 your feet.