1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,680 This episode of The Doctors of Running Podcast is sponsored by 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,080 Running Warehouse. Summer is all about logging 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,440 miles and gearing up for the busy fall racing season. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,080 New daily trainers from Hoka, Skechers, Adidas and more are 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,800 ready to help you tackle your training. 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,520 The Hoka Clifton Nine has been a favorite of the team in 2023. 7 00:00:18,050 --> 00:00:20,570 The shoe still provides the Max cushion and lightweight feel of 8 00:00:20,570 --> 00:00:23,130 its predecessors, with a responsive new midsole and 9 00:00:23,130 --> 00:00:26,370 surprisingly generous upper for those looking for something soft 10 00:00:26,370 --> 00:00:28,890 and fun. The new Sketchers Go Run Ride 11 11 00:00:28,890 --> 00:00:31,610 and Max Road 6 feature one of the squishiest new foams of the 12 00:00:31,610 --> 00:00:33,730 year with the introduction of Hyper Burst Ice. 13 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:36,370 And finally, for those looking for a shoe with all the bells 14 00:00:36,370 --> 00:00:39,130 and whistles as you prepare for fast marathon miles, the 15 00:00:39,130 --> 00:00:42,050 revamped Adidas Boston 12 provides a return to form with a 16 00:00:42,050 --> 00:00:44,730 new Light Strike 2.0 midsole that helps make the newest 17 00:00:44,730 --> 00:00:47,970 Boston feel lighter and softer than ever before you can find. 18 00:00:48,050 --> 00:00:50,610 Find all these new trainers and more at runningwarehouse.com. 19 00:00:57,650 --> 00:01:00,250 Hello everyone and welcome to the Docs of Running Podcast 20 00:01:00,250 --> 00:01:02,850 where we, a group of docs of physical therapy discuss the art 21 00:01:02,850 --> 00:01:05,090 and science of running and the stuff that we put on our feet. 22 00:01:05,410 --> 00:01:08,410 Today we have a full round table I'm Nathan and I'll be hosting 23 00:01:08,410 --> 00:01:10,050 today. We also have Dr. Matthew Klein 24 00:01:10,050 --> 00:01:13,120 and Dr. David Salas. And we have a very special guest 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,840 with us. It is Connor Blaylock, but you 26 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,080 probably know him as Connor from running warehouse. 27 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,800 So we have Connor with us. Thank you so much for joining 28 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,560 Connor. You forgot the goat part. 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:25,600 Thank you. Thank you, David. 30 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,680 That is very, very important. Really happy to be here. 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,560 And yeah, let's talk some shoes. Let's talk running. 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,290 Let's get at it. Great. 33 00:01:33,410 --> 00:01:35,530 Yeah. So we have Connor, the Goat 34 00:01:35,610 --> 00:01:37,730 Laylock from Running Warehouse. Is that better? 35 00:01:37,730 --> 00:01:39,370 David hit all the hit, all the things. 36 00:01:39,370 --> 00:01:41,810 OK. But if you don't know Connor, he 37 00:01:41,810 --> 00:01:43,970 is in charge of all of the video contents. 38 00:01:43,970 --> 00:01:46,130 He's kind of the video content lead for running Warehouse. 39 00:01:46,330 --> 00:01:48,650 You see him interacting a lot with different running shoe 40 00:01:48,650 --> 00:01:52,690 companies in their videos on YouTube and everything, getting 41 00:01:52,730 --> 00:01:55,490 kind of those first looks at the new models that are coming out. 42 00:01:55,490 --> 00:01:58,010 So what we're going to do today is we're going to dive into a 43 00:01:58,010 --> 00:02:00,610 little bit of what it's like to work in a position that he has 44 00:02:00,890 --> 00:02:02,730 and since it's a person that has so much. 45 00:02:02,970 --> 00:02:04,930 Experience with all the shoes that have been coming out this 46 00:02:04,930 --> 00:02:06,050 year. We're going to end the episode 47 00:02:06,050 --> 00:02:09,889 where we each go through our top five shoes of the beginning of 48 00:02:09,889 --> 00:02:12,810 2023. That's the year it is, right? 49 00:02:12,810 --> 00:02:15,570 So this is the road through. Halfway through 2023, we're 50 00:02:15,570 --> 00:02:19,410 going to talk about our favorite 5 shoes from any category and 51 00:02:19,410 --> 00:02:22,290 we'll hit that at the end. So Connor, what we want to ask 52 00:02:22,290 --> 00:02:25,250 first is I know you're the video content lead, but tell us a 53 00:02:25,250 --> 00:02:28,330 little bit about what your daytoday entails and then you 54 00:02:28,330 --> 00:02:31,410 know, what are some things about your job that we might not know 55 00:02:31,410 --> 00:02:32,890 even though that we see you on the screen. 56 00:02:32,970 --> 00:02:36,730 Screen often. Yeah, you know, there's a lot 57 00:02:36,730 --> 00:02:39,810 that goes into the job behind the scenes that a lot of people 58 00:02:39,810 --> 00:02:44,250 don't really realize because you put the video up, people see the 59 00:02:44,250 --> 00:02:47,610 final product, it looks pretty, But a lot goes into these 60 00:02:47,610 --> 00:02:50,530 videos. People think that maybe we do 61 00:02:50,530 --> 00:02:52,880 them. Right, a day before, two days 62 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,440 before and they go live. But a lot of these videos we're 63 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,040 doing, it's it's taking months in advance. 64 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,720 You know we're we're meeting up with the brands for five months 65 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,720 out, getting this product in hand, talking, going back and 66 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,840 forth, producing the video and then it comes back, we edit it, 67 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,800 we have it all ready to go and then it goes live on launch day. 68 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,320 And that's one of the things that. 69 00:03:16,460 --> 00:03:20,140 Is kind of crazy as we get these videos done so early, but a lot 70 00:03:20,140 --> 00:03:23,340 of times we have to hold on to these videos because we've got 71 00:03:23,340 --> 00:03:27,380 strict rules from the brand. But it is always excited, 72 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:30,460 exciting to get it up and live and let the people see the 73 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:32,860 magic. And I think what's interesting 74 00:03:32,860 --> 00:03:35,540 about your position too is you're not just the person 75 00:03:35,540 --> 00:03:36,980 making these videos. You're a runner. 76 00:03:37,020 --> 00:03:39,550 You're. A good runner and you run a lot 77 00:03:39,950 --> 00:03:42,550 and so you kind of bring that mix of perspectives. 78 00:03:42,950 --> 00:03:45,870 Can you tell us also a little bit about your kind of running 79 00:03:45,870 --> 00:03:48,190 history and how long you've been running and that kind of stuff? 80 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:52,030 Yeah, so I've been running for about 20 years now. 81 00:03:52,110 --> 00:03:56,830 I did my first race about 7:00 or 8 years old, did my first 82 00:03:56,830 --> 00:04:01,680 half marathon at nine years old. You know, maybe not something 83 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,520 that should have been done, but I did. 84 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,640 It broke two hours, which was a big deal at the time. 85 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,160 I don't think I even knew how crazy it was. 86 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,960 That's kind. Yeah, Kept running for fun 87 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,800 through middle school and then in high school. 88 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,720 Really got into it, probably about 15 years old. 89 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,839 Ran through college, ran post collegiately with the Hoka 90 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,200 Aggies. And here we are today. 91 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,200 So, you know, 20 years of lots and lots of miles, ups and 92 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,140 downs. Have ran against David before. 93 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:31,740 I think we raced maybe three or four years ago. 94 00:04:32,780 --> 00:04:34,260 Who won? Connor. 95 00:04:35,220 --> 00:04:38,540 I I took the W but I will only take it because David was maybe 96 00:04:38,540 --> 00:04:41,860 a month into training, so. Yeah, it was like, I would just 97 00:04:41,860 --> 00:04:44,180 started running again. Yeah, I remember like kicking 98 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:46,700 really hard. Like like I'm going to get this 99 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:48,660 guy. And I did like we were at the 100 00:04:48,660 --> 00:04:51,460 line and I didn't get him. And I just want to be like, 101 00:04:51,460 --> 00:04:53,260 yeah, we finished And I was like, wait a second, are you 102 00:04:53,420 --> 00:04:54,980 you're Connor? I know you. 103 00:04:55,570 --> 00:04:56,370 And then? Yeah. 104 00:04:58,010 --> 00:04:59,570 Oh, that's cool. I didn't know that well. 105 00:04:59,610 --> 00:05:01,290 I forgot about that story. That's great. 106 00:05:01,330 --> 00:05:03,730 Yeah, that was. So let's, I'll go ahead, David. 107 00:05:03,770 --> 00:05:07,010 No, no, that was, yeah, that was 4 ish years ago. 3-4 years ago, 108 00:05:07,050 --> 00:05:08,290 yeah. Wow. 109 00:05:09,130 --> 00:05:12,730 So if we kind of cycle back to all of this prep work that goes 110 00:05:12,730 --> 00:05:16,450 in, tell us a little bit about that process of meeting with the 111 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:18,290 companies. How much experience you get in 112 00:05:18,290 --> 00:05:20,130 these shoes before you create these videos? 113 00:05:20,130 --> 00:05:21,650 What does that process look like? 114 00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:24,700 Or is IT company dependent? Yeah, you know there there's so 115 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:27,340 much variability because we're doing, you know, if you look at 116 00:05:27,340 --> 00:05:32,940 it normal year we're putting out maybe 250 to 350 videos a year. 117 00:05:33,260 --> 00:05:35,700 So a lot of videos are coming through and there's lots of 118 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:38,740 different types of videos. We've got our in house videos 119 00:05:38,740 --> 00:05:42,060 that we we get samples maybe six months in advance. 120 00:05:42,180 --> 00:05:44,700 We take a look at it, we look at all the details. 121 00:05:44,780 --> 00:05:46,300 We don't really get to try these shoes. 122 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:51,260 A lot of people maybe are wondering like oh do you get to 123 00:05:51,260 --> 00:05:53,380 test these that far in advance when we do our. 124 00:05:53,460 --> 00:05:55,620 First looks, but usually it's a sample size. 125 00:05:55,820 --> 00:06:00,060 I can maybe slip 1 shoe on my foot and we give the people just 126 00:06:00,060 --> 00:06:03,780 the basic specs. Then we'll go out and a lot of 127 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:08,460 our more designer deep dives. We'll talk with the product line 128 00:06:08,460 --> 00:06:10,860 managers, we'll talk with the designers. 129 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:15,040 And that's something where, you know, maybe 3-4 months out will 130 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,280 go out to their headquarters or bring them in and we get the 131 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,960 full deep dive on a shoe. So that's really where we get to 132 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,800 see every part of the shoe and really get the behind the scenes 133 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,600 on, you know, the specs, the, the hidden stories that you 134 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,880 don't get to hear about. And that's really fun because, 135 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,160 you know, these designers pour their hearts and souls into 136 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,240 these shoes and a lot of people don't get to hear those stories. 137 00:06:41,220 --> 00:06:43,340 Then there's the athletes stories. 138 00:06:43,340 --> 00:06:46,140 So that's probably one of my favorite. 139 00:06:46,340 --> 00:06:50,220 You know, we get to go out and hang out with Jared Ward in Utah 140 00:06:50,220 --> 00:06:55,100 for a week, hang out with the people you see on TV, and that's 141 00:06:55,100 --> 00:06:58,740 really exciting because one, they're, they're stars in my 142 00:06:58,740 --> 00:06:59,980 mind. But then when you get to meet 143 00:06:59,980 --> 00:07:01,340 them, they're just normal people. 144 00:07:01,340 --> 00:07:04,180 They're they're cool guys. It's fun to go out and do 145 00:07:04,180 --> 00:07:07,020 workouts with them, see how fast they are in person and how much 146 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:09,750 work they're putting in. Someone like Jared Ward, we went 147 00:07:09,750 --> 00:07:13,750 out and trade with, trained with him in altitude and man, what he 148 00:07:13,750 --> 00:07:17,630 is doing is just it. It's no, there's no doubt in my 149 00:07:17,630 --> 00:07:23,270 mind that he was an Olympian because he's just superhuman and 150 00:07:23,350 --> 00:07:26,070 it's also fun. On that note, you get to see 151 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:29,110 some of the secret shoes that are coming down the road because 152 00:07:29,110 --> 00:07:32,670 the athletes other than me, the athletes are the ones that are 153 00:07:32,670 --> 00:07:36,230 getting a lot of these really secret shoes that are pretty 154 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:37,880 wild. Right. 155 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,800 And well, can we segue right from that about something you 156 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,760 kind of shared is you not only work for running warehouse, but 157 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,800 you are a sample size. So does that like lead you to be 158 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,800 Privy to testing shoes for these companies because those wear 159 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,000 testers influence what ends up coming in the industry. 160 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,400 So is that something that you get to do? 161 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,880 Oh for sure. I mean, so I'm sample size size 162 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,200 9 and pretty much every company other than maybe Nike and Ultra 163 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,360 are size 9 samples. So I'm trying. 164 00:08:05,810 --> 00:08:09,370 Every shoe, one that comes in the building when shoes come 165 00:08:09,370 --> 00:08:11,090 out. So I get every shoe on my foot, 166 00:08:11,090 --> 00:08:13,290 try it out and I'm testing most of those. 167 00:08:13,290 --> 00:08:18,730 But then in the months prior I'm I'm probably there's five or six 168 00:08:18,730 --> 00:08:22,050 brands right now that I'm on a regular testing cycle that I'm 169 00:08:22,050 --> 00:08:25,650 testing all the exciting stuff. I can't try everything but a lot 170 00:08:25,650 --> 00:08:27,930 of the race stuff, a lot of the innovation stuff. 171 00:08:29,010 --> 00:08:31,170 So I'll do that and then sometimes. 172 00:08:31,710 --> 00:08:34,789 When the real crazy stuff I can be working on shoes a year and a 173 00:08:34,789 --> 00:08:37,630 half, two years, sometimes 2 1/2 years out. 174 00:08:37,630 --> 00:08:41,870 So you know there there's been cases where you know the more 4 175 00:08:41,870 --> 00:08:44,470 hadn't came out yet and I was already testing the more 6. 176 00:08:44,470 --> 00:08:48,790 So. You get to be way so this could 177 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:52,150 be better good or bad where you can get to like really early 178 00:08:52,150 --> 00:08:55,310 stages with either going to be like well this is cool or like 179 00:08:55,310 --> 00:08:58,610 what what is going on here so. Exactly. 180 00:08:58,610 --> 00:09:01,330 And I've yet to get injured. Too bad. 181 00:09:01,330 --> 00:09:05,170 There's been a couple shoes and you know, I was doing a lot of 182 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:08,330 testing with Sketchers for a bit and I got a couple of there that 183 00:09:08,330 --> 00:09:11,370 were they were trying to blend lifestyle with running, doing 184 00:09:11,370 --> 00:09:15,330 some really wacky things with using like insoles as the 185 00:09:15,330 --> 00:09:17,930 midsoul cushioning. And I tested a couple of those 186 00:09:17,930 --> 00:09:21,330 and you know, I had to take them off and be like, I I can't, I 187 00:09:21,330 --> 00:09:24,330 can't use those. So I definitely prioritize my 188 00:09:24,330 --> 00:09:26,730 health first. If I notice anything weird, I I 189 00:09:26,730 --> 00:09:30,610 don't test it. I've had one instance where I I 190 00:09:30,610 --> 00:09:35,130 was where testing a very early prototype and it took me out for 191 00:09:35,130 --> 00:09:38,410 like 6 weeks because it was I got like this weird muscular 192 00:09:38,410 --> 00:09:41,650 strain. So it was, and it was, it was 193 00:09:41,650 --> 00:09:44,570 pretty early in the doctors of running years when we kind of 194 00:09:44,770 --> 00:09:47,890 had some of those opportunities and so I didn't have the the. 195 00:09:48,930 --> 00:09:52,330 The forethought or like the confidence to say hey this isn't 196 00:09:52,330 --> 00:09:55,530 the right shoot for me right now because it's going it could be 197 00:09:55,570 --> 00:09:57,690 it could be poor for me even though I knew I didn't have the 198 00:09:57,690 --> 00:09:59,610 confidence to kind of act for it in that. 199 00:09:59,610 --> 00:10:03,370 So that's smart that you've got that that kind of in your the 200 00:10:03,370 --> 00:10:07,640 forefront of your mind and. And I've worn thousands of shoes 201 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,200 over the years, like legit thousands. 202 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:15,600 So I'm so good that I can put on a shoe and very quickly know if 203 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,720 it's going to work for me. Very rarely do I put on a shoe 204 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,920 and say this is not going to work and then it ends up 205 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,680 working. So I've got a pretty good eye 206 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,720 and feel for shoes. And I'm sure you guys are in a 207 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,840 similar boat. Or are you guys, where do you 208 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,320 think you're at in terms of shoes you've tried on over the 209 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,560 years? I feel like, I feel like I'm 210 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:37,080 getting there. Like I feel like you put the 211 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,320 shoe on, you start like walking. You start jogging, like do a 212 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,800 couple of steps. You're like, oh, this is this is 213 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,080 it. Like, I like this and I think 214 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,440 I'm going to like this when I run, then you do, then you 215 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,760 actually do like it when you run and it all kind of lines up. 216 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,040 Yeah, I've I've had. Rarely at this point, you know, 217 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,800 because we're how many, Matt, when did you ask me to do this 218 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,760 2018? 20. 18, Yeah. 219 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,600 So five, five years for for me. And I can definitely say that 220 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,040 from then to now, my ability to know if a shoe's going to work 221 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,360 for me is, is very much improved. 222 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,600 I found a lot of it for me has to do with certain things with 223 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,720 fit and then the type of stiffness that's in the shoe and 224 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,320 if it lines up for me, but. Yeah, I I've rarely had a a 225 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,000 situation where I put on a shoe, I really don't like it. 226 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,560 And then I go running it and I'm like, actually, yeah, I do like 227 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,320 this. The one that I can think of is 228 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,360 the audios Pro two, I ran in that shoe the first time right 229 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,080 after like my marathon, and I think my body was just so 230 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,880 fatigued that it just was. I was like falling off the 231 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,440 outside. I'm like, how do you even run in 232 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,720 this thing? And then a month later? 233 00:11:44,510 --> 00:11:47,870 I tried it again and ended up like PR ING my five mile race in 234 00:11:47,870 --> 00:11:50,470 that shoe and it felt great and I think it was more that fatigue 235 00:11:50,470 --> 00:11:53,590 state. But otherwise, yeah, I've rarely 236 00:11:53,590 --> 00:11:56,790 had it where I put on a shoe and go for a run and don't like it 237 00:11:56,790 --> 00:11:59,270 and then a couple runs later it starts to work for me. 238 00:11:59,510 --> 00:12:02,830 Usually it's pretty consistent. Yeah, and that's actually a 239 00:12:02,830 --> 00:12:05,990 really good point, because I think even sometimes too. 240 00:12:06,420 --> 00:12:10,100 You hear from people and they, you know, they buy a shoe and 241 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:13,060 they say, ah, you know what I took this out for A run doesn't 242 00:12:13,060 --> 00:12:14,100 work. I'm returning it. 243 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:16,660 And sometimes, you know, but there's a lot of times, 244 00:12:16,660 --> 00:12:20,700 especially when I get up 8090 miles a week, when your body's 245 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:23,980 beat up, sometimes the shoe just doesn't feel as good. 246 00:12:23,980 --> 00:12:26,420 It doesn't have that pop. You bring it out a day, you're 247 00:12:26,420 --> 00:12:28,300 fresh and it almost feels like a new shoe. 248 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:30,780 And then on the same on the same and. 249 00:12:31,290 --> 00:12:33,690 When you're out of shape, you know, I've, I've had some times 250 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:37,250 when I'm coming back in and I'm like, wow, you know this shoe, 251 00:12:37,690 --> 00:12:42,210 the one that I can think of recently was the Razor or the 252 00:12:42,330 --> 00:12:46,690 the Sketcher Speed Elite. That was my top workout shoe 253 00:12:46,850 --> 00:12:49,130 when I was fit and I came back not fit. 254 00:12:49,130 --> 00:12:51,090 And I'm like, what? This shoe doesn't have anything. 255 00:12:51,090 --> 00:12:53,850 But sometimes that is when you're in peak shape, you have 256 00:12:53,850 --> 00:12:56,490 that efficiency. The shoe just works really, 257 00:12:56,490 --> 00:12:59,290 really well with your body. So that is another thing to keep 258 00:12:59,290 --> 00:13:02,770 in mind as well. So in that vein, I'm curious to 259 00:13:02,770 --> 00:13:04,810 hear, I know you talk about you put a shoe on, you kind of know 260 00:13:04,810 --> 00:13:07,650 if it's going to work for you. What characteristics of shoes do 261 00:13:07,650 --> 00:13:09,890 you feel like you gravitate towards personally? 262 00:13:10,130 --> 00:13:15,250 Oh yeah, very easy. As a higher mileage person, I am 263 00:13:15,250 --> 00:13:17,250 in the ballpark of higher stack the better. 264 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:19,010 I do like to change things up a little bit. 265 00:13:19,010 --> 00:13:22,930 I don't like to be in a high stack every day, but more V4 266 00:13:23,130 --> 00:13:28,130 Nimus 25 high stack shoes with new foams that are really soft, 267 00:13:28,130 --> 00:13:30,890 really cush. I I just love and then a 268 00:13:30,890 --> 00:13:33,410 geometry is really important. Something that's smooth, 269 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:36,970 something that just makes running easy feel easy. 270 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:40,570 And then for for workout day, I've been going more carbon 271 00:13:40,570 --> 00:13:44,810 plate stuff more recently. I do mix it up a little bit, but 272 00:13:45,130 --> 00:13:48,930 I think carbon plates now are probably half of my workout day 273 00:13:48,930 --> 00:13:51,650 shoes. Yeah, that makes sense. 274 00:13:52,050 --> 00:13:54,450 Matter, David, do you want to add on like when, what sort of 275 00:13:54,450 --> 00:13:56,290 things do you typically find that? 276 00:13:57,290 --> 00:13:59,370 If it's a shoe that's going to work for you, it has these 277 00:13:59,370 --> 00:14:01,250 factors. Do you have any thoughts about 278 00:14:01,250 --> 00:14:02,770 that? I'm curious to hear from David 279 00:14:02,770 --> 00:14:05,050 because I feel like I people probably know that I'm looking 280 00:14:05,050 --> 00:14:09,330 for a heel bevel and complain about they probably already know 281 00:14:09,330 --> 00:14:11,690 what I'm looking. For I don't feel bevel, heel, 282 00:14:11,730 --> 00:14:15,130 bevel and all the solid geometry, some solid sidewalk 283 00:14:15,130 --> 00:14:17,050 flaring. Some soft flaring. 284 00:14:17,210 --> 00:14:19,290 I. Think I think I could make this 285 00:14:19,330 --> 00:14:21,650 shoe for you without you. Probably could, yeah. 286 00:14:23,290 --> 00:14:26,330 No, I mean, for me it's really hard because we always joked 287 00:14:26,330 --> 00:14:28,250 that I kind of have this Unicorn foot, right? 288 00:14:28,250 --> 00:14:30,930 That like, I can pretty much put anything on and doesn't injure 289 00:14:30,930 --> 00:14:34,850 me. I've been surprised by several 290 00:14:34,850 --> 00:14:38,050 shoes where I'm like, I don't know about this, and then I end 291 00:14:38,050 --> 00:14:40,450 up really liking the shoe, you know? 292 00:14:40,450 --> 00:14:43,690 And it it's happened to me more times than I probably would like 293 00:14:43,690 --> 00:14:46,250 to admit, you know, where I'm not sold on it and then I am 294 00:14:46,250 --> 00:14:48,410 sold on it and I'm like, no, that is the shoe. 295 00:14:49,950 --> 00:14:52,310 But I think for the most part, the gut instinct that ends up 296 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:55,030 working, you know, as far as like you put it on, you start 297 00:14:55,030 --> 00:14:59,270 running in it and like that first one or two runs you do, 298 00:14:59,270 --> 00:15:01,870 you're like, no, this is it. Like like those gut feelings I 299 00:15:01,870 --> 00:15:05,230 think still stand true. And most of those shoes still 300 00:15:05,230 --> 00:15:06,830 end up being my favorites down the line. 301 00:15:07,270 --> 00:15:10,590 So I think one of the things that I notice it's, it's really 302 00:15:10,590 --> 00:15:13,150 funny because I'm going to say boring, but I mean, I mean it in 303 00:15:13,150 --> 00:15:18,280 the nicest way possible, like. It's some of the most boring 304 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,480 Traditional shoes have been the ones that I gravitate towards 305 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,600 the most. And I mean, we'll get into this 306 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,000 later into the show, but for like daily training miles, like 307 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,200 the Saucony Ride 16, it's just Eva. 308 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,000 It's just the power on Mitzel like that's been a shoe that's 309 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,480 worked really well for me. The Topo Phantom 3, like, it's 310 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,480 just their zip foam, you know, like it's just a basic shoe that 311 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,120 like has about a middle stack height with a slight rocker to 312 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,760 it. Nothing dramatic, has a little 313 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,800 bit of flexibility, you know, it's kind of like middle of the 314 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,070 line on almost everything. I was having this conversation 315 00:15:48,070 --> 00:15:51,710 with someone the other day and it's almost like if you went 316 00:15:51,710 --> 00:15:54,910 into a video game not knowing anything and you just pick the 317 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:58,190 middle character that just kind of has balanced stats, you'd 318 00:15:58,190 --> 00:16:00,870 probably be okay like going through the storyline. 319 00:16:01,790 --> 00:16:05,110 And that's kind of, I feel like where I fall, like the shoes 320 00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:08,470 that I like as far as daily mileage goes with the 321 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:11,630 performance shoes, it's it's kind of funny because I feel 322 00:16:11,630 --> 00:16:16,820 like I do hit a polarizing. Split where when I'm going fast 323 00:16:16,820 --> 00:16:19,180 and when I'm on the track and when I'm doing workouts. 324 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:22,660 I like slightly more flexible shoes where I can do what I want 325 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:25,620 and I can kind of transition the way I liked, like the way my 326 00:16:25,620 --> 00:16:28,300 body wants to transition. But I do like some of that 327 00:16:28,300 --> 00:16:30,220 stiffness and more responsiveness when I'm really 328 00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:32,460 trying to go fast, when I'm trying to race and do those 329 00:16:32,460 --> 00:16:34,460 types of things. But I don't always like it for 330 00:16:34,460 --> 00:16:37,420 regular workouts, so hopefully that answers it. 331 00:16:37,460 --> 00:16:39,620 I don't like. I feel like that might have TMI, 332 00:16:39,620 --> 00:16:43,140 but. That's great. 333 00:16:43,810 --> 00:16:47,690 David, right when you said boring shoe in my head before 334 00:16:47,690 --> 00:16:49,970 you even said it, I was thinking the Sokney ride. 335 00:16:49,970 --> 00:16:53,170 Let's go because yes. Because that is a shoe that I 336 00:16:53,170 --> 00:16:56,330 actually wear a good amount and it's one of those shoes that 337 00:16:56,930 --> 00:17:01,800 look, it is boring, but. Like half the half of my 338 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,400 mileage, I just want a shoe that I don't even think about. 339 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:06,960 You don't need a high stack shoe, you don't need a load of 340 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,640 the ground shoe, You don't need a carbon plate. 341 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:11,079 You just want the basic cushioning to get you through 342 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:12,280 the miles and you don't think about. 343 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,079 And I feel like the ride does a really good job at that. 344 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,680 That's awesome. Connor, our next question for 345 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,800 you kind of relates to some of this stuff that we just 346 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,119 highlighted is different features of shoes. 347 00:17:25,460 --> 00:17:28,620 From from your spot and kind of everything that you've seen and 348 00:17:28,620 --> 00:17:32,220 what you see coming, what sort of patterns or trends are you 349 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:34,860 seeing in the industry and what do you expect to happen? 350 00:17:35,660 --> 00:17:38,580 Yeah, this is a question that comes out, comes up a lot. 351 00:17:38,580 --> 00:17:42,620 I was actually just at Western States with Nike and we, we were 352 00:17:42,620 --> 00:17:45,780 talking with the designers about this because you know, 353 00:17:46,020 --> 00:17:48,700 everyone's always looking a year, two year. 354 00:17:48,820 --> 00:17:52,180 Sometimes with Nike they're looking 345 years out. 355 00:17:53,620 --> 00:17:56,460 And I think this is kind of a tough question, especially 356 00:17:56,460 --> 00:18:00,780 because we've had such crazy technology breakthroughs over 357 00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:03,260 the past four or five years with super phones. 358 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:07,300 You know what Vaporfly did just revolutionized the sport and got 359 00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:09,980 everyone thinking differently. So look. 360 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:14,270 Super foams and carbon plates are the easy answer here because 361 00:18:14,430 --> 00:18:16,710 it has made such a big difference and I think there's 362 00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:19,830 still room to go further. I think we can get some more 363 00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:22,830 responsive foams. We can do things to make them 364 00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:25,030 softer, firmer, better efficiencies. 365 00:18:25,150 --> 00:18:28,950 We can do things with plates that can work with the foams 366 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:32,230 differently. So I think there's still room 367 00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:35,070 there, but I think that's also the easy answer. 368 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,680 And I I I think there's only so much further we can get. 369 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,000 We've made such big improvements in the Super foams that I think 370 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,960 now it's going to be small improvements each year and every 371 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,440 every few years. I I think the one place that we 372 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,560 haven't seen maybe quite as drastic of a play and we have 373 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,560 seen a play in a in a sense, but I think there's a lot more 374 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,840 potential and room to get more aggressive is in geometries of 375 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,540 the shoes. And one shoe that I think of 376 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:09,940 that really kind of put the brand back on the map because no 377 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:11,700 one was thinking about it was Mizuno. 378 00:19:12,020 --> 00:19:15,620 Mizuno, you know, other than maybe if you've worn a writer or 379 00:19:15,620 --> 00:19:20,220 inspire and you just you've been on it year after year, There's 380 00:19:20,220 --> 00:19:24,260 not really a reason why I have been able to recommend that 381 00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:26,260 brand over the past four or five years. 382 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:29,740 Rebellion Pro came out and you know, we've got people like 383 00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:33,020 Shunskay on the Mizuno team who yes, you got, you got. 384 00:19:33,490 --> 00:19:35,490 You got the orange, I got the. You got your. 385 00:19:35,610 --> 00:19:40,250 The camo behind me, but they have gone all out on this and 386 00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:43,810 you know they they saw at the Ecodin that everyone was wearing 387 00:19:43,810 --> 00:19:46,690 Nike and they couldn't look away from it anymore. 388 00:19:46,690 --> 00:19:51,650 They had to go in and Mizuno's been on plates for a long time. 389 00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:55,330 So when that shoe came out, they did, they got a nice foam. 390 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,080 They did some cool things with the plates. 391 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,480 And then I think the biggest thing with that shoe is the 392 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,600 radical geometry of the shoe. And when you go through your 393 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,640 stride in it, it almost feels like a mechanical advantage and 394 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,440 how it kind of propels you. And I've been seeing what 395 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,600 they've been doing over the next couple versions, going even more 396 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,720 aggressive, doing even more wild things and seeing some other 397 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,280 brands kind of take note of that and do their own take. 398 00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:25,730 And I think there is a lot more room in geometries in affecting 399 00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:28,450 your stride and every stride is going to be different for a 400 00:20:28,450 --> 00:20:30,730 runner. So I always recommend with super 401 00:20:31,010 --> 00:20:34,130 super shoes you got to try every shoe cuz just cuz it doesn't 402 00:20:34,130 --> 00:20:38,850 work for you for this one brand, you know, you know everyone's so 403 00:20:38,850 --> 00:20:43,090 different in their gate, but to bring it all back around the 404 00:20:43,090 --> 00:20:46,770 geometries, I I think there's a lot of room to go there for both 405 00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:48,970 performance and for just easy running. 406 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,640 That's cool. I think one of the things that I 407 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,480 think about when it comes to the geometry side is exactly what 408 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,720 you said is everyone's going to respond so differently and 409 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,080 trying to figure out what, what part of the industry is going to 410 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,200 pick up the avenue to say, here's how you can try out these 411 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,040 shoes and figure out how it works for you. 412 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,960 Like there's got to be someone you know. 413 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,280 I think about like what Dustin Jobert is doing. 414 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,680 He's a exercise physiologist doing research in Texas in 415 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,920 Austin area. And you know, he has a lab that 416 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,720 people could bring shoes too. But it's like, how do people get 417 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,920 600 or $1000 worth of shoes to be able to test them on 418 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,560 themselves to see if it works mechanically and physiologically 419 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,520 so that you don't go out and pick a shoe that really doesn't 420 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,120 align with your strengths? And then that's where my PT 421 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:37,040 brain thinks about injury. If someone can figure out a way 422 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,520 to shuttle shoes, I think that'd be, that'd be cool. 423 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,960 That'd be a fabulous kind of model that somebody could figure 424 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,100 out, I'm sure. Matt, you're going to say 425 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:48,060 something too? Yeah, I think Connor, it's good 426 00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:49,940 to hear you say that. I'm going to quote David and 427 00:21:49,940 --> 00:21:52,220 I've done this a couple of times that I think a lot of what's 428 00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:55,540 come out in terms of the foams, the plates, all that stuff like 429 00:21:55,540 --> 00:21:57,980 it's there. And I think that not only, you 430 00:21:57,980 --> 00:22:00,260 know, there is still probably room for improvement, but I 431 00:22:00,260 --> 00:22:03,900 think it's like David said, they got to quote him on this, that I 432 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:06,100 think companies really need to refine that stuff. 433 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:09,580 And probably the biggest area that hasn't been refined has 434 00:22:09,580 --> 00:22:13,170 been geometry and not just. Within super shoes and within 435 00:22:13,170 --> 00:22:15,690 racing shoes, but also within daily shoes, that we Start 436 00:22:15,690 --> 00:22:19,970 learning more about biomechanics and how different people really 437 00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:21,810 respond very differently to rockers, right. 438 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:24,610 There was an assumption that not too long ago that, oh, the just 439 00:22:24,610 --> 00:22:27,050 this big rockered soul, that's all you need, move forward. 440 00:22:27,250 --> 00:22:29,210 And then other people like, oh, you don't want that Instead of 441 00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:32,890 realizing, yeah, there's this is a very fluid process because so 442 00:22:32,890 --> 00:22:36,690 much variability in human movement that I think there's 443 00:22:36,690 --> 00:22:38,890 some very cool ways for people to experiment with that and 444 00:22:38,890 --> 00:22:42,610 start thinking beyond. Just a rocker or what have you 445 00:22:42,610 --> 00:22:45,770 but start going how is this part of the midsole compressing when 446 00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:48,530 you land here How is that responding to this person? 447 00:22:48,530 --> 00:22:50,650 I think that's. I would definitely agree with 448 00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:54,170 you that there's a lot of cool ways that we can make shoes that 449 00:22:54,170 --> 00:22:57,010 not we but companies can make shoes that get to what you 450 00:22:57,010 --> 00:22:59,370 talked about where it's like you want to make the run 451 00:22:59,370 --> 00:23:01,250 comfortable, right? Because I I just had an 452 00:23:01,250 --> 00:23:04,290 experience where I was searching for old shoes that I ran in high 453 00:23:04,290 --> 00:23:06,450 school and I found it. I don't know if if anybody gets 454 00:23:06,450 --> 00:23:09,170 this reference was running in a found a pair of New Balance 9-O 455 00:23:09,170 --> 00:23:11,660 fives. Which is a lightweight, light 456 00:23:11,660 --> 00:23:13,980 stability shoe. And I grabbed a bear from eBay 457 00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:16,620 brand new, and I just had such good memories in the shoe and it 458 00:23:16,620 --> 00:23:20,540 felt so horrible. Now probably part of it is it's 459 00:23:20,540 --> 00:23:22,980 like 15 something years later, right? 460 00:23:22,980 --> 00:23:25,380 So there's that. But also like, the geometry was 461 00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:27,180 terrible. It was so clunky. 462 00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:29,900 And I was like, wow, I can't believe we used to run in that 463 00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:31,900 kind of stuff and how far we've come. 464 00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:34,860 But at the end of the day, like talking from a consumer 465 00:23:34,860 --> 00:23:37,060 standpoint, if something's not comfortable, you're either not 466 00:23:37,060 --> 00:23:39,060 going to buy it or you're not going to want to run. 467 00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:41,900 Because if you're new, you're going to assume, I guess this is 468 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:44,620 what running feels like. And the better we make shoes, 469 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:47,540 the better we make rides and make running that's really 470 00:23:47,540 --> 00:23:49,700 easier. But more enjoyable people are 471 00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:52,140 going to want to start running, which only benefits companies 472 00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:53,980 and obviously benefits running warehouse because people are 473 00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:55,540 going to want to buy more stuff because they want to keep 474 00:23:55,540 --> 00:23:57,820 running. So I think geometry is a great 475 00:23:57,820 --> 00:24:00,480 answer. Yeah, Matt, I was just going to 476 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,640 say that's a really good point because I have an issue of 477 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,600 getting rid of shoes and I do have a stockpile from the past 478 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,360 10-15 years, and I do bring out some shoes every once in a 479 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,400 while. And I think as runners, 480 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,160 especially over the past couple years, we've gotten really 481 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,760 spoiled with how good things have gotten. 482 00:24:19,210 --> 00:24:21,450 And yeah, you know, I've gotten on some shoes and they're 483 00:24:21,450 --> 00:24:23,610 actually are a few that still hold up. 484 00:24:23,610 --> 00:24:27,410 I've gotten on a pair of lunar racers, some piranhas. 485 00:24:27,610 --> 00:24:30,690 They they still feel fun, but it's a lot different. 486 00:24:30,690 --> 00:24:35,410 And there's some shoes that I put on now that I had such good 487 00:24:35,410 --> 00:24:37,770 memories of, and they're just junk. 488 00:24:38,170 --> 00:24:42,450 And it's one of those things where, you know, foams have just 489 00:24:42,450 --> 00:24:44,930 gotten so good. And I think there is also this 490 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:48,330 this thing where you think about this time of your life. 491 00:24:48,690 --> 00:24:50,450 That, you know, maybe you were really fit. 492 00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:52,650 You were. You ran your mile PR in high 493 00:24:52,650 --> 00:24:54,490 school and you just have good memories. 494 00:24:54,610 --> 00:24:57,170 You didn't know better because you haven't tried on the shoes 495 00:24:57,170 --> 00:25:00,690 that you have now. And probably the biggest or one 496 00:25:00,690 --> 00:25:03,290 of the most interesting stories with that here at running 497 00:25:03,290 --> 00:25:08,050 warehouses with the Clifton one. Everyone talked about Clifton 498 00:25:08,050 --> 00:25:10,050 one bring it back. Best shoe ever. 499 00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:12,770 Best shoe ever. So we did like we talked with 500 00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:16,170 Hoka and we were able to get the Clifton one remade. 501 00:25:16,580 --> 00:25:22,300 And obviously, when you get a shoe remade several years later, 502 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:25,460 there might be some small, small variabilities because there's 503 00:25:25,460 --> 00:25:29,100 different factories and whatnot. But overall, the shoe was 504 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:32,660 basically identical to that original Clifton one, and 505 00:25:32,660 --> 00:25:34,340 everyone was like, ah, no, it's not. 506 00:25:34,340 --> 00:25:36,980 It's no good, It's no good. And I remember this. 507 00:25:36,980 --> 00:25:40,220 We sat on a lot of pairs for a while because it just didn't 508 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:42,540 have the hype. And even part of that too is, 509 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:45,700 you know, it seems like online you have these people who love 510 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:47,500 to talk about. Bring this back, bring this 511 00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:49,780 back, and you'll have like 10 people. 512 00:25:50,020 --> 00:25:52,620 But those are like the only 10 people who want that chew. 513 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,820 I I have to give a little. Background information on this. 514 00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:59,660 This is why Nathan, David and the whole team have to remind me 515 00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:02,940 that there's certain things that I find online that may not be 516 00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:05,460 available in this country and several companies have had to 517 00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:07,620 talk to us. And I'll be like, I really want 518 00:26:07,620 --> 00:26:10,020 to try this and Nathan's like do not buy that. 519 00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:13,100 You're going to get interest from like 10 really loud people 520 00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:15,060 and it's going to irritate the company, like please. 521 00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:17,930 Don't do that. I know it's a cool bottle. 522 00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:20,690 I get it just waits. If it's not available in the 523 00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:22,610 United States, you can't, don't do that. 524 00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:26,130 But yeah, it's also interesting you you bring this up because 525 00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:28,250 there it. I got to give a shout out to 526 00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:31,890 Agresta, who's a great PT researcher on footwear up at UW 527 00:26:31,890 --> 00:26:33,890 in Washington. And one of the things that 528 00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:38,690 really influences your perception of, of your of the of 529 00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:39,450 ride. Right. 530 00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:41,690 So like, how do we characterize what a shoe feels like under 531 00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:43,940 foot? Is what we think it's for. 532 00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:46,380 So what would like our experiences with the shoe, all 533 00:26:46,380 --> 00:26:49,180 that kind of stuff. That being said, right, if you 534 00:26:49,180 --> 00:26:51,460 put the shoe you like, you're going to think, oh, this was so 535 00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:53,540 amazing, right? But then you put it on, your 536 00:26:53,540 --> 00:26:55,660 brain's going to readjust to now what you've experienced. 537 00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:57,540 Now you're going to go, the first couple steps would be, 538 00:26:57,540 --> 00:26:58,700 wow. And then all of a sudden you're 539 00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:00,020 like, oh, wait a minute, hold on. 540 00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:03,260 So it's interesting that like how much our memory and that 541 00:27:03,260 --> 00:27:05,740 kind of stuff will influence what we think about compared to. 542 00:27:06,210 --> 00:27:07,610 What we're actually experiencing now. 543 00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:09,410 So there's this whole area of science that's going into that 544 00:27:09,410 --> 00:27:11,290 right now, which is really fascinating, but it touches on 545 00:27:11,290 --> 00:27:15,290 exactly what you talked about. Yeah, it's also interesting on 546 00:27:15,290 --> 00:27:20,170 that note, I have some shoes that, you know, maybe a carbon 547 00:27:20,170 --> 00:27:23,770 plated super shoe that feels so great once you get under 6 548 00:27:23,770 --> 00:27:27,610 minute pace and then other shoes that feel so great when you're 549 00:27:27,610 --> 00:27:30,450 on your beat up and you're going over 8 minute pace. 550 00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:33,210 And they don't work for the other end of the spectrum. 551 00:27:33,410 --> 00:27:36,210 But then there are some shoes right now that I've been testing 552 00:27:36,490 --> 00:27:40,770 that surprisingly, they're carbon plated super shoes that 553 00:27:40,770 --> 00:27:44,610 feel really good for your fast days and still feel really good 554 00:27:44,610 --> 00:27:47,730 for your easy days. So it is interesting how certain 555 00:27:47,730 --> 00:27:52,370 shoes can work for certain paces and then how certain shoes can 556 00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:57,010 work for every pace totally. So here's our kind of final 557 00:27:57,010 --> 00:28:00,530 question before for you before we go into the other main 558 00:28:00,530 --> 00:28:03,010 segment talking about all of our top five shoes of the year, 559 00:28:03,170 --> 00:28:06,970 which part of it is because part of the reason we wanted you on 560 00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:09,490 for this is because of you're out of anybody. 561 00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:14,260 Maybe in the world you test more shoes than everybody just with 562 00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:17,740 the type of you know, the sample size, foot all and then your 563 00:28:17,740 --> 00:28:20,740 position that you have. So, but before we talk about 564 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:23,300 that, I think kind of the elephant is in the room that a 565 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:26,780 lot of people ask us about, even as people who don't work for a 566 00:28:26,780 --> 00:28:29,380 company that sells shoes like you work for a company that 567 00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:32,620 sells shoes. So how do you approach that idea 568 00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:36,700 of I'm going to introduce people to this new shoe, if people buy 569 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,700 it, it benefits the company I work for. 570 00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:40,700 How do you approach that? That reality. 571 00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:44,180 Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a tricky. 572 00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:47,740 There's a fine line because, yeah, at the end of the day we 573 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:50,500 are selling shoes, so that is our main goal. 574 00:28:50,780 --> 00:28:55,180 But I also, as a runner, as someone who loves shoes, I want 575 00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:58,260 to get people in the best shoe possible for them. 576 00:28:58,260 --> 00:29:03,060 So a lot of times I will try to highlight, you know, what is 577 00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:06,180 going to be the best purpose for this shoe and really try to 578 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:09,570 guide people. In the right direction you know 579 00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:12,370 you not everyone needs the carbon plated super shoe. 580 00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:15,450 Not everyone needs you know a track spike. 581 00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:20,850 But I think at the end of the day I want to try to be as 582 00:29:20,850 --> 00:29:23,850 accurate as possible. I try to give you know all the 583 00:29:23,850 --> 00:29:27,410 specs try to be as scientific as possible in terms of these are 584 00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:31,730 the facts of the shoe and then this is what I like, you know I 585 00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:37,030 think one of the things that. Is maybe a balancing issue is 586 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:41,110 you know maybe we can't be quite as negative as some of our 587 00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:44,550 favorite reviewers out there who sometimes will just completely 588 00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:47,590 trash a shoe. There have been some cases where 589 00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:51,470 the shoe just didn't live up to my expectations. 590 00:29:51,790 --> 00:29:55,510 And we just we we don't put the the review out because it's just 591 00:29:55,670 --> 00:29:57,790 you know what we'll have the shoe on our site for people who 592 00:29:57,790 --> 00:30:00,550 want to buy it, but it's not something that we're going to 593 00:30:00,550 --> 00:30:03,100 endorse. No, that's super helpful. 594 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:06,140 So thanks for I I think it was worth kind of hearing your, your 595 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:10,140 take on that because you know anybody who's in a in a position 596 00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:12,700 where you're teaching people about something, you have to 597 00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:15,380 consider that we consider our biases when it comes to even the 598 00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:18,500 reviews that we put out and we're not hindered by you know 599 00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:21,660 working for a company that has stock in this stuff. 600 00:30:21,660 --> 00:30:25,940 So thanks for sharing that. We are going to transition into 601 00:30:25,940 --> 00:30:30,860 talking about our top five shoes for this first half of 2023. 602 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:33,780 So we're trying to reserve this for shoes that have come out in 603 00:30:33,780 --> 00:30:37,320 the year 2023. And we're each going to go 604 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,000 through, give our top five in a very short, maybe 30 seconds to 605 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,600 a minute as to why that shoe is on our top five list. 606 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,000 Connor, we're going to save you for last. 607 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,640 We'll save the best for last, but we'll kind of run through, 608 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,640 run through ours and and we'll go there. 609 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,320 But Matt, we're going to start with you. 610 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,760 So why don't you, why don't you give us your top five. 611 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,200 I left it in the other room. Unfortunately I will say one of 612 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,930 my top five. Right now is actually the 613 00:31:03,930 --> 00:31:07,290 Kinvara Pro because it fits right with what Connor talked 614 00:31:07,290 --> 00:31:11,730 about, where it is technically a racing shoe, but it is also 615 00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:16,050 meant and it was tested to be a shoe that at easier paces or 616 00:31:16,050 --> 00:31:19,090 slower paces, depending on who you are, it will still work for 617 00:31:19,090 --> 00:31:20,970 you. So that means if you're somebody 618 00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:23,890 that's running super duper fast, right, it's going to work for 619 00:31:23,890 --> 00:31:27,210 you for maybe a long run, for maybe some easier efforts if 620 00:31:27,210 --> 00:31:30,210 you're also somebody who's maybe not as fast but still wants to 621 00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:32,570 compete or wants to have one of these shoes you don't have. 622 00:31:32,650 --> 00:31:35,530 To worry about some super aggressive super shoe that might 623 00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:39,850 potentially be something that might be too much or something 624 00:31:39,850 --> 00:31:43,210 that your body may not be ready for yet and it will also work 625 00:31:43,210 --> 00:31:45,010 super well for you at the pace you're going. 626 00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:48,890 So the Kevara Pro is one of the ones that I am really, really 627 00:31:48,890 --> 00:31:51,170 enjoying. I've shredded the the exposed 628 00:31:51,210 --> 00:31:53,250 out, so it's been a little challenging for me. 629 00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:56,210 But hey, I got a. Give them, give them some credit 630 00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:59,370 on that. So I'll say that one Sockety and 631 00:31:59,370 --> 00:32:02,450 Kevara Pro is been really, really exciting. 632 00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:06,170 I'm trying to think the endorphin elite obviously is 633 00:32:06,170 --> 00:32:08,250 another one. Not to profess all the love for 634 00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:09,370 sockety. Part of it's me. 635 00:32:09,370 --> 00:32:11,770 Part of also personally just watching David. 636 00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:15,250 Finally, I do enjoy the shoe. It's not just me watching David 637 00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:19,090 kill his marathon in that shoe. Finally complete a marathon. 638 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:23,620 And run a part of the potential that we see that David has. 639 00:32:23,620 --> 00:32:26,700 That was really exciting and I'm I'm really, really enjoying that 640 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:29,740 shoe. Let's going to see some trainers 641 00:32:29,740 --> 00:32:33,900 here the is super blast count do we get that. 642 00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:40,860 You've had you've had so much time to repair your top five. 643 00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:43,860 I know, but I'm now thinking, okay, give me a break. 644 00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:46,150 Hold on a second. So the. 645 00:32:46,350 --> 00:32:47,230 Other. Other. 646 00:32:47,230 --> 00:32:49,710 One, I have too many options. Second, guessing myself. 647 00:32:49,910 --> 00:32:52,510 The Hyperion GTS from Brooks is another one. 648 00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:54,990 Just because I'm excited that people are finally bringing 649 00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:57,710 about the light stability stuff because we're seeing stability 650 00:32:58,030 --> 00:32:59,670 change a lot. And I think one of the biggest 651 00:32:59,670 --> 00:33:01,630 changes, just seeing them disappear. 652 00:33:01,910 --> 00:33:04,870 So to actually still see some options for people that do want 653 00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:08,950 just a little bit there. And yeah, we talked about how to 654 00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:11,630 find other methods for that, like kind of more natural stuff, 655 00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:12,710 side walls, all that kind of stuff. 656 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,920 But I'm really excited to see what Brooks does and takes with 657 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,560 this with the Hyperion GTS. And I think a lot of people are 658 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,480 going to be really happy with an alternative to yes. 659 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,600 And Connor mentioned this that yeah, high stack shoes are 660 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,480 really fun, but sometimes you might want something a little 661 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,440 bit more flexible with just a little stability. 662 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,360 So it's really a unique ride that I'm really enjoying. 663 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,360 I've got about 60 miles of my pair right now that I have been 664 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,920 really enjoying, both for fast stuff and for daily training. 665 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,810 That's three, right? That's three. 666 00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:44,890 I have a PhD candidate I can't count. 667 00:33:44,890 --> 00:33:48,010 Give me a break. Gosh, why am I second guessing 668 00:33:48,010 --> 00:33:51,650 this now? I'd probably say to get it more 669 00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:55,610 training wise. The Keano 30 is also a favorite 670 00:33:55,610 --> 00:34:00,850 right now because I think what they did it was the Keano is 671 00:34:00,850 --> 00:34:03,650 just such a classic shoot, especially in its 30th round. 672 00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:06,730 It's such a popular shoot it to change it this drastically is 673 00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:09,820 definitely a huge risk. For ASICS, and I think it took 674 00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:12,020 everything that we've talked about in terms of stable, 675 00:34:12,020 --> 00:34:15,620 neutral and some of the concepts learned from the Keano Light 676 00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:19,580 series that to do this and go, yes, we are actually based on 677 00:34:19,580 --> 00:34:22,500 what we're seeing evidence wise from personal testing, from some 678 00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,260 of the internal evidence that they're finding that they can't 679 00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:26,739 publish, right because they don't have an IRB. 680 00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:29,580 But to do and take this new concept and say, hey, can we 681 00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:31,260 evolve this in such a popular shoe. 682 00:34:31,540 --> 00:34:35,060 I've really, really enjoyed running in this and thought 683 00:34:35,060 --> 00:34:37,460 they've done a really, really, really, really good job. 684 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,840 All right. I'd probably say the last one is 685 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,159 is probably a tie. No, I'm going to give it. 686 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,840 I'm going to give it to the Rebellion Pro, I'm going to give 687 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,199 it because I appreciate the geometry changes. 688 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,880 I can't take that shoe for super long periods because of that 689 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,840 medial cut out. And just I'm just this that was 690 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,040 about central. I was going to say I'm a 691 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,920 slightly unstable person as it is not in that way, but. 692 00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:06,810 I think it's really cool to watch that it's been a really 693 00:35:06,810 --> 00:35:09,690 fun shoe to experiment with, going what can this handle? 694 00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:11,930 And the durability has actually been surprisingly good, which is 695 00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:13,810 a very rare feature in a lot of super shoes. 696 00:35:13,810 --> 00:35:17,250 So I would say those are my top five, but I think those are 697 00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:20,650 going to drastically change. Not because they're not good, 698 00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:23,090 because we also got some great stuff coming out too that I 699 00:35:23,090 --> 00:35:24,770 can't talk about. Great. 700 00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:28,140 I'll go next. I've got my top five laid out in 701 00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:34,100 order here, so prepare. Just throwing shade. 702 00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:39,580 So Speaking of boring shoes, my #5 is in the daily training 703 00:35:39,580 --> 00:35:42,100 category. It's the Topo Phantom 3. 704 00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:46,420 The reason I picked this shoe I just it's fits my foot really 705 00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:49,940 well, so I love topo fit for myself, especially after my foot 706 00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:52,020 injury. I like the wider base. 707 00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:55,940 Zip foam is pretty standard Eva. It's kind of in that midpoint. 708 00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:58,820 Point of soft and firm. I like the flexibility, but 709 00:35:58,820 --> 00:36:01,740 still a little bit of rigidity and I mostly use it for easy 710 00:36:01,740 --> 00:36:03,380 days, but also just being on my feet. 711 00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:06,260 So like, I like having a shoe that I can use like at work and 712 00:36:06,260 --> 00:36:07,860 just walking around and that kind of stuff. 713 00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:10,100 So that's what the shoe has kind of fit for me. 714 00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:15,820 My number four is in the racing realm, it's the Vapor Fly next 715 00:36:15,820 --> 00:36:17,780 percent three. Or do they drop the next percent 716 00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:20,970 Vapor Fly 3? It's hard not to pick a shoe 717 00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:22,770 that you ran a really good race in. 718 00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:25,170 So I kind of reentered the racing scene a little bit this 719 00:36:25,170 --> 00:36:29,850 year after some time off and ran A20K in the shoe and ran. 720 00:36:29,850 --> 00:36:32,010 What if I would have ran another .8 miles? 721 00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:33,850 I would have PR D my half marathon. 722 00:36:33,850 --> 00:36:36,050 So it was really fun to get back in the shoe and it just feels, 723 00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:39,250 it feels so light. They opened up the toe box a 724 00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:42,490 little bit, it feels like. So that felt really good for me 725 00:36:42,490 --> 00:36:44,930 and just feels like it continues to move forward. 726 00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:49,290 Doesn't feel like it wastes any. Like, nothing feels wasted on 727 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:52,770 this shoe. So I really like that my next 728 00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:54,610 one, we're dipping into the trails. 729 00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:57,130 I've been doing a bit more trail running this year. 730 00:36:57,130 --> 00:36:59,650 I'm doing the parts of the Ice Age Trail, which is like 1000 731 00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:02,290 mile trail through Wisconsin. It's pretty cool. 732 00:37:03,340 --> 00:37:08,140 And it's the Ultra Glide from Solomon, Ultra Glide Two. 733 00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:12,300 So this one I have loose ankles just from lots of sprains. 734 00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:14,980 And so when I take a shoe out and I don't roll my ankle, I'm 735 00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:17,100 pretty pumped about it. And that's been the case for 736 00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,780 this one. I've taken down a 15 miler and 737 00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:23,540 then a 13 mile trail run and it's just been great. 738 00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:26,780 It's got relatively shallow lugs, so for like super muddy 739 00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:30,180 stuff it's not as great, but it's just got a very smooth 740 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:32,300 geometry. It's got, again, nothing super 741 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,860 fancy here. But the the transitions between 742 00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:37,780 are really nice and I like that it's not too soft because when 743 00:37:37,780 --> 00:37:40,100 I'm too soft on the trail, I just feel lost. 744 00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:43,060 So I feel grounded enough in this shoe and it's been been 745 00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:45,100 really nice. There's another trail shoe that 746 00:37:45,860 --> 00:37:47,340 we'll see by the end of the year, which one I end up 747 00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:50,020 choosing. But As for now, it's it's this 748 00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:54,420 one, my #2 is one that Matt said it's the Kinvarra Pro. 749 00:37:54,420 --> 00:38:00,300 I've gotten 65 or so miles on this and I just did yesterday. 750 00:38:00,710 --> 00:38:04,390 I did a 16 1/2 mile run, which is my longest run in two years, 751 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:08,990 and I feel great today. Like no soreness at all and it 752 00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:11,590 felt really good. The cushioning for me just works 753 00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:13,590 really well there, the stiffness. 754 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,720 Paired with the geometry I kind of mentioned that's what I look 755 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,000 for. It all just lines up for my foot 756 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,120 and my mechanics, so I just, I don't feel any clunkiness when I 757 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,960 land or when I'm rolling through. 758 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,480 So this one has just worked really well for me at those kind 759 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,440 of easy paces. I've also taken this on some 760 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,320 harder fart looks and like a pretty hard three mile tempo and 761 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,640 it kept up it, but it did feel a little bottom heavy. 762 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,160 So I like this more for like when I feel beat up, I go use it 763 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,200 for that. When I want to go do a long run. 764 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:43,840 This is what I'm reaching for so. 765 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,600 I bet by the end of the year I'll have like more miles on the 766 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,280 shoe than probably anything else, unless something else 767 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,040 comes out that that usurps the position that this one's sitting 768 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,280 in for me. And then my last one is my top 769 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,480 daily trainer so far this year, which feels again, maybe a 770 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,160 little boring, but it's the Clifton 9 and again this one. 771 00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:08,970 You know, I think I didn't know much about it. 772 00:39:08,970 --> 00:39:11,050 When it got shipped to my door and I put it on, I went for a 773 00:39:11,050 --> 00:39:12,410 run. I'm like, why does this actually 774 00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:15,810 feel bouncy? And I feel like the new foam is 775 00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:18,210 updated just enough that I felt a little bit of pop. 776 00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:22,410 And so I just like throwing this on for for daily runs even just 777 00:39:22,690 --> 00:39:25,610 like not the Super slow recovery stuff, but just a little bit of 778 00:39:25,610 --> 00:39:27,170 extra effort. I feel like it gives me that 779 00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:29,130 little extra pop, fits my foot well. 780 00:39:29,130 --> 00:39:31,210 Geometry is. I guess all of mine have a 781 00:39:31,210 --> 00:39:36,450 pretty similar geometry to them so I but Clifton Nine has been. 782 00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:38,890 The other one for me. All right, David, you're up. 783 00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:40,570 You're the third person here today. 784 00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:42,810 All right. Well, I mean, I'm a little less 785 00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:47,530 prepared than Nate, but mine, my first one, has a decent amount 786 00:39:47,530 --> 00:39:50,130 of traction, Pretty good upper security, not a lot of stretch 787 00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:51,810 to it. Decent lockdown. 788 00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:53,530 Never goes out of style. I'm going to have to go to 789 00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:59,370 Adidas Grand Court, I feel like. I feel like that's a solid one, 790 00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:02,820 like. No matter the year, the small 791 00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:05,820 updates they make like that's always a top five like. 792 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:09,740 Look at that like. That's my track workout shoe. 793 00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:16,380 That is a flat in the making. Oh my gosh, that was awesome. 794 00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:21,520 Okay, in all seriousness. I I I'm not prepared for this at 795 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,840 all. But as far as looking at top 796 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,760 five. David's judging me. 797 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,640 OK, cool. Judging me. 798 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,360 Why would we ever do this? Prepared Nate's a square Cotter. 799 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,880 I have spent weeks, maybe months preparing for this and I I'm 800 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200 this is just embarrassing. It's normal. 801 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,400 I definitely did not prepare for this. 10 minutes before this pod 802 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,880 that was. Never happened makes me feel 803 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:54,860 better. Right late on this, David, what 804 00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:57,300 do you got? In the it's just going to be. 805 00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:01,900 Five more casual shoes. I do have a pair of Puma Suedes 806 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:07,060 right here, but I will not play that so. 807 00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:09,340 Yeah, do you have the fast? You have the fast star with the 808 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:12,500 suede upper. No, that sounds awesome. 809 00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:16,290 I would love that. It's odd if you're out there, 810 00:41:17,130 --> 00:41:17,730 let's. Go talk. 811 00:41:17,770 --> 00:41:20,410 Yeah, come. On make this happen I was. 812 00:41:20,530 --> 00:41:22,930 Literally looking at that shoe like 5. 813 00:41:23,090 --> 00:41:26,850 Minutes before 5 minutes before we were on this, I was looking 814 00:41:26,850 --> 00:41:29,250 at that shoe and like, oh, that's oh, it's $300.00. 815 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:31,250 Like, oh, can I find that on eBay? 816 00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:34,490 Maybe. Well, I think for #5 I don't 817 00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:36,050 have to go soccer when you ride 16. 818 00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:38,810 I think it's in the honor of the boring shoes. 819 00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:41,730 But it works. And it doesn't break. 820 00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:44,450 It's durable. It works with my mechanics. 821 00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:47,100 There was a couple of small things they did to the upper to 822 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:48,780 make that lockdown a little bit better. 823 00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:51,220 They changed the traction profile under foot. 824 00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:55,820 As far as the overall package goes, it just made it a little 825 00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:59,820 bit smoother for me. Nothing huge, but it's a solid 826 00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:02,500 update and it's something that works for me and it's something 827 00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:04,060 I find that keeps going on my feet. 828 00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:06,420 So for that reason it's in my top five. 829 00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:12,340 Number four, let me see here. I think #4 I don't actually have 830 00:42:12,340 --> 00:42:16,980 next to me, but for similar reasons, I'm going to go with 831 00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:21,580 the Nike Vapor Fly. Next percent, three small 832 00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:23,580 updates again. I mean, they changed the upper. 833 00:42:23,580 --> 00:42:24,820 They've made it a little bit more airy. 834 00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:26,140 The lockdown got a little better. 835 00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:28,180 The heel lockdown wasn't great on the two for me. 836 00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:31,060 So for me, like, it made the shoe a little bit more dialed 837 00:42:31,060 --> 00:42:33,400 in. It made it just respond a little 838 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,520 bit better for me from a geometry standpoint, the 839 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,840 traction was improved in the forefoot, small improvements, 840 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,880 but it made a big difference in the experience. 841 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,400 And so for me, I'm going to have to go Nike vaporify next percent 842 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,760 3 for #4, this number. Did they officially drop the 843 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,040 next percent? I don't know. 844 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,800 I'm going to keep saying it. Connor, do you know? 845 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,280 It's as far as I know, it's still there, but I think, yeah, 846 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,800 it goes back and forth, you know, You never know with Nike. 847 00:43:00,110 --> 00:43:03,590 All right, next one up. I feel like I'm just like on 848 00:43:03,590 --> 00:43:05,350 repeat here, man. I don't know. 849 00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:07,510 I'm going to go tempo Phantom 3. That's Okay. 850 00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:10,310 That's a shoe that I'm also liking a lot. 851 00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:14,190 It's just, it's so simple, but it works like it's a balanced 852 00:43:14,350 --> 00:43:17,310 profile, very like, just gentle rocker. 853 00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:22,150 It's still flexible, natural transitions, wide tow box upper 854 00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:25,270 has good security. I just like running daily miles 855 00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:28,190 in that shoe and it doesn't seem to ever get boring. 856 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:31,180 I mean, like, it's like, again, boring in the nicest way. 857 00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:34,300 Like I get rhythmic, I forget about what I'm doing, the shoe 858 00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:36,660 works. All right, on to the exciting 859 00:43:36,660 --> 00:43:40,300 stuff. So #2 I actually, that's a lie. 860 00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:41,940 I got top six, I guess. I don't know. 861 00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:44,380 There's this shoe I can't talk about. 862 00:43:44,380 --> 00:43:49,140 I guess that makes it 7. But #2, I'm going to say the 863 00:43:49,140 --> 00:43:52,580 Saucony endorphin elite. So the Saucony endorphin elite. 864 00:43:52,580 --> 00:43:54,940 I mean, now my marathon PR is in this shoe. 865 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,640 I think it's a solid step in the right direction for the company. 866 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,520 I think they're playing with midsoles, they're playing with 867 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,560 geometry. They're really taking a look at 868 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,840 how this affects things, whether it's from a metabolic efficiency 869 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,400 standpoint versus the transitions later in the race 870 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,840 versus the field testing. I think it's a pretty large step 871 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,920 away from the traditional kind of model of doing things and it 872 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,360 and it differentiates itself from the rest of the endorphin 873 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,110 line. You know, it's definitely its 874 00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:27,630 own shoe. And I think it's, it's pretty 875 00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:29,830 boller to go out there and just be like, all right, this is a 876 00:44:29,830 --> 00:44:32,190 new racing shoe and like, this is the other one that's the 877 00:44:32,190 --> 00:44:34,150 people's champ. But like, we're going to make 878 00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:37,190 this one for, you know, whoever this may respond for and for 879 00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:39,470 those who it does work for, it's going to be awesome. 880 00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:42,350 And I tend to be one of the ones that actually responded to it. 881 00:44:42,350 --> 00:44:45,390 So I actually really like the shoe and it's a fun shoe for 882 00:44:45,390 --> 00:44:50,670 long rhythmic but fast efforts. So brand new model #2. 883 00:44:52,450 --> 00:44:55,650 The number one for me right now actually, and I'll have a bonus 884 00:44:55,650 --> 00:45:02,010 one in here, don't worry. But this is another shoe that 885 00:45:02,010 --> 00:45:06,370 it's a second line of the shoe, but they progressed it. 886 00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:09,530 They put a Peabacks Mitzel in it, no plate, relatively 887 00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:12,330 flexible up front locks down upper, a shoe. 888 00:45:12,330 --> 00:45:15,010 I can do literally anything I want in. 889 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,640 And it is just like one of the most fun shoes on the planet 890 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,680 that I've been able to run in and I just have so much joy 891 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,680 running in the shoe. And that's the Topo Cyclone too. 892 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,680 Like I if you asked me at the beginning of 2023, like what I 893 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,480 have two Topo shoes in the top five. 894 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,480 I'd say absolutely not. You know, like, I just, I 895 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,080 wouldn't think that, like, it's not no knock on Topo, but I just 896 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,280 wouldn't really think that to be in my top five. 897 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,200 But the Topo Cyclone Two has been a shoe. 898 00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:45,590 I've literally run 626030 second quarters in this shoe and I've 899 00:45:45,590 --> 00:45:50,150 run long tempos, you know like probably 9-10 mile tempos at 900 00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:52,390 like 525 thirty pace in this shoe as well. 901 00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:55,430 And it's a shoe I can literally whatever I want in, run easy 902 00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:58,990 runs, run hill repeats, run on the track in and if I have to 903 00:45:58,990 --> 00:46:01,910 pack one shoe with me when I'm going somewhere like this is 904 00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:06,160 probably going to be that shoe. And so it's very versatile. 905 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,840 It's still forgiving. It's not like super high up, but 906 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,720 there's still enough cushioning. I want to say it's 27 907 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,160 millimeters of stack, I want to say. 908 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,320 So it's just a fun, balanced shoe. 909 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,800 I kind of think of that same category of like the New Balance 910 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,360 Rebel or like just those non plated, but they still have a 911 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,120 fun foam in there and they're a little bit flexible, just fun, 912 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,720 dynamic, versatile shoes. But for whatever reason, that 913 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:34,360 shoe works with my mechanics and it's actually quite durable. 914 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,880 I have not been able to beat it into the ground yet and I've 915 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,720 been running a lot of miles in it, so I've been very happy with 916 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:45,240 my experience in that shoe. So that has been a fun one to 917 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,800 have on there. Other one on there. 918 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,520 Bonus Takumisen 9, Adidas. I'm a three striped guy, I will 919 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,680 say that, but they changed the upper a little bit. 920 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,880 The lockdown's better, the experience is better. 921 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,000 The traction has always been solid on that shoe. 922 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,430 It's responsive, it's fast. Same idea, except it's a little 923 00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:03,590 bit faster. So that's like the I can raise 924 00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:06,270 the 5K10K maybe even a half marathon. 925 00:47:06,270 --> 00:47:08,990 I did dabble the idea of racing 1/2 marathon in that and I am 926 00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:11,670 still dabbling the idea of racing 1/2 marathon in that so 927 00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:14,070 solitude. Great. 928 00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:17,150 All right. So what we really are here for 929 00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:20,110 is to hear Connor's top five again, the person who's ran in 930 00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:23,030 more shoes than any of us and so. 931 00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:25,660 You know, Connor, let us, let us hear what you're thinking about 932 00:47:25,660 --> 00:47:27,820 this year in 2023. What do you, what do you got? 933 00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:31,180 Yeah, you know there, there has been so much great stuff that's 934 00:47:31,180 --> 00:47:34,300 came out and then also still a lot to come. 935 00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:38,500 So it is a little bit challenging, but I'll start off 936 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,060 with the shoe that I've probably got the most miles in. 937 00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:45,180 You can see here I got my original pair of the Nimbus 20 938 00:47:45,180 --> 00:47:50,060 fives that I got maybe 607 hundred miles on probably back 939 00:47:50,060 --> 00:47:53,560 this past summer. And then Bob hooks me up with a 940 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,920 second pair a few months ago that I've already gotten maybe 941 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:01,160 another 300 miles in. So Nimbus 25, I mean, look, a 942 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,200 six has come in hot in every single Ave. over the past year 943 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,760 or two. And the Nimbus is so great 944 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,160 because I'm a high cushion guy. I like soft. 945 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,040 I like a good amount of cushioning under foot. 946 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,000 And the Nimbus just, they nailed the foam, they nailed the 947 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,490 geometries. For easy running, it just feels 948 00:48:21,490 --> 00:48:24,570 easy. I think if you've been a loyal 949 00:48:24,570 --> 00:48:29,730 Nimbus runner or just looking for Max cushioning, Nimbus 25 is 950 00:48:29,730 --> 00:48:33,050 probably right up there as I I, in my opinion the best on the 951 00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:36,050 market. I I would put more V4 as a very 952 00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:41,090 close competitor, but that's 2022 so we'll move past that. 953 00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:45,850 Second, you know, and there's no particular order here, but I'm 954 00:48:45,850 --> 00:48:48,250 going to echo what we've heard a lot already. 955 00:48:48,570 --> 00:48:51,090 The Vapor Fly, Three Vapor Fly, Next percent three. 956 00:48:51,090 --> 00:48:54,810 I mean, look, Nike led the charge in the Super shoe world 957 00:48:55,050 --> 00:48:57,930 every year. They've been just a little bit 958 00:48:57,930 --> 00:49:00,370 ahead of everyone. And I still think with the Vapor 959 00:49:00,370 --> 00:49:02,730 Fly, there's going to be that slight lean. 960 00:49:02,890 --> 00:49:05,450 Yeah, it looks good. Yeah, it's got the hype. 961 00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:08,250 So you're going to see it a lot on the feet of people on 962 00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:10,930 marathon day, but you're also going to see it on the feet 963 00:49:10,930 --> 00:49:13,530 because. It executes and I think David 964 00:49:13,530 --> 00:49:17,330 made a really good point on it didn't necessarily revolutionize 965 00:49:17,330 --> 00:49:21,610 the shoe, but it just made small little tweaks that you know 966 00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:25,450 every little percent of efficiency is going to be really 967 00:49:25,450 --> 00:49:28,810 important on race day. And I I think in my opinion, it 968 00:49:28,810 --> 00:49:33,130 felt just a little bit softer. The fits really good and you 969 00:49:33,130 --> 00:49:36,610 know for marathon 26 miles, when you're on your feet for that 970 00:49:36,610 --> 00:49:39,850 long, you want every advantage you put in all the training. 971 00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:43,610 So Vapor Fly three is still going to be my top super shoe 972 00:49:43,810 --> 00:49:47,850 with a few, a few other brands that are getting really close. 973 00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:50,690 And I think in the future, you know, a year, two years down the 974 00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:54,530 road, it might be another. It might, you know, be up for 975 00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:57,210 debate if Nike is going to stay the leader. 976 00:49:57,210 --> 00:50:01,290 But for now, I will give it to Nike #3. 977 00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:05,570 I'm in the same vein with Nike. What they did on the road, I'm 978 00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:07,290 going to bring it back to the trail. 979 00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:10,270 And we're going to go to Nike ultrafly. 980 00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:16,230 So this is battle worn. You know the Zoom X in this foam 981 00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:20,630 feels really, really good. It's it actually has a slightly 982 00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:23,790 different feel than what you get in the Vapor Fly. 983 00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:28,390 You know they they have a slight different formulation to cater 984 00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:30,670 it for the trails. But I think that's good you you 985 00:50:30,670 --> 00:50:32,660 don't. I I was a little worried with 986 00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:35,260 Zoom X if it was going to be stable enough on the trail. 987 00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:37,180 And this shoe delivers, you know. 988 00:50:37,180 --> 00:50:40,740 We already have seen two of the top three finishers at Western 989 00:50:40,740 --> 00:50:44,420 State wore ultrafly. It's responsive. 990 00:50:44,580 --> 00:50:47,700 The plate works really well to adapt in the trail. 991 00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:50,740 It's got a pretty good amount of stack, but surprisingly it 992 00:50:50,740 --> 00:50:54,140 doesn't feel like a bulky high stack shoe. 993 00:50:54,610 --> 00:50:56,970 Real good lockdown. And then the one thing that 994 00:50:56,970 --> 00:51:01,010 everyone's going to be talking about, yes, we finally did it. 995 00:51:01,010 --> 00:51:04,610 We got the Vibram out of soul. So no more. 996 00:51:04,610 --> 00:51:07,530 I don't want to hear anymore in the comments that they're 997 00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:10,530 slipping in the Nike shoes, they're ice skating out on the 998 00:51:10,530 --> 00:51:13,410 trails. You got a Vibram rubber and man, 999 00:51:13,410 --> 00:51:17,610 this thing sticks. So it'll be interesting to see 1000 00:51:17,610 --> 00:51:20,810 what happens on the trail side of super shoes, but I think Nike 1001 00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:25,740 has now taken the lead. All right, we're going to move 1002 00:51:25,740 --> 00:51:33,060 on to shoe #4 and you know, I'll give this one to the Boston 12A 1003 00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:37,100 new release and an interesting shoe because I think the Boston 1004 00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:42,580 went down the wrong Rd. You know, the Boston was a very 1005 00:51:42,580 --> 00:51:45,500 versatile performance shoe for 10 years. 1006 00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:49,820 And once we saw a Boston 10, it got all that extra stack. 1007 00:51:49,820 --> 00:51:51,460 It did the energy rods and I think. 1008 00:51:52,610 --> 00:51:55,570 I was wondering, is this still even a Boston at this point 1009 00:51:55,570 --> 00:51:57,090 because it was almost a new shoe. 1010 00:51:57,570 --> 00:52:02,530 And I think, you know, I tested an early Boston 10 and it was a 1011 00:52:02,530 --> 00:52:05,650 little bit softer and I thought it was going to be a really good 1012 00:52:05,650 --> 00:52:08,410 shoe. Once we got the Boston 10, it 1013 00:52:08,410 --> 00:52:12,130 came in a little bit firmer and a lot of people said they had to 1014 00:52:12,130 --> 00:52:15,370 get a 50, maybe 100 miles in the shoe till it felt good. 1015 00:52:15,610 --> 00:52:18,810 Same thing kind of with the Boston 11, once the Boston 12 1016 00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:21,810 came out and I got on my foot. There is so much more Light 1017 00:52:21,810 --> 00:52:25,170 Strike Pro in the shoe. And then there's just this small 1018 00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:30,210 carrier of the Light Strike 2.0. Now Light Strike 2.0 is softer 1019 00:52:30,490 --> 00:52:33,730 and I think because it's softer, it works really well with the 1020 00:52:33,730 --> 00:52:37,970 Light Strike Pro to give a more softer bouncier feel. 1021 00:52:38,090 --> 00:52:40,810 It's got the new Energy Rod system that they learned from 1022 00:52:40,810 --> 00:52:42,610 the Audios Pro that's full length. 1023 00:52:42,930 --> 00:52:46,160 So I think. You know, it's an interesting 1024 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,320 shoe. The only negative we we just did 1025 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,280 a review on it. The only negative that I have is 1026 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,880 I have a hard time figuring out exactly what to use it for 1027 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,120 because it does so many things really well. 1028 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,560 But it's someone like me who's got 150 shoes in my closet. 1029 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,000 I find a lot of shoes that have just that little bit better for 1030 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,840 workout day, just that little bit better for daily training. 1031 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,960 So it is a Jack of all trades. I think the one place I do find 1032 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,640 it's really good is if you're looking for a little bit faster 1033 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,960 long run. Something where you want an 1034 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,280 efficient, fast shoe, a lot of cushioning, but you're also, you 1035 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,680 know you're going 7-6, maybe dipping under 6 minute pace near 1036 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,460 the end. All right. 1037 00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:36,500 Shoe #5 is another really, you know, actually I guess has it 1038 00:53:36,580 --> 00:53:40,100 technically released yet? I it's going to be here any day 1039 00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:42,420 now is going to be the Cielo Road. 1040 00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:48,580 Now Hoka has been out of the picture for a long time, you 1041 00:53:48,580 --> 00:53:51,900 know. You know, Hoka is such a 1042 00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:55,340 relevant brand and they make such good shoes and they were 1043 00:53:55,340 --> 00:53:59,580 ahead in the Max cushioning side for so long, but for some reason 1044 00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:02,920 they chose. To slack a little bit on the 1045 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,920 Super foam. So we saw every shoe company 1046 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,200 even, you know, we're talking about Mizuno here. 1047 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,830 They even have the Super foam. Finally Hoka comes in with the 1048 00:54:13,830 --> 00:54:17,710 Peeba based foam and I think the weight was worth it cuz I think 1049 00:54:17,710 --> 00:54:20,750 they did a really good job with this shoe and I think it shows 1050 00:54:20,830 --> 00:54:24,550 what's to come from Hoka. I think if we look at like the 1051 00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:28,270 the most improved in terms of foam compound in different 1052 00:54:28,270 --> 00:54:34,310 models when you have Mach, XCLO, Road, CLOX, you know a lot of 1053 00:54:34,310 --> 00:54:36,430 good stuff coming from Hoka in that Peeba based. 1054 00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:40,560 Ballpark, but going back to the Cielo Rd. 1055 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:44,720 I think it's interesting because we haven't seen a lot of shoes 1056 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,520 in that low stack height for super shoes. 1057 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,320 And the ones that have come out, I'm not sure they've executed 1058 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,920 quite to what you were think a super shoe could be that's that 1059 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,990 lightweight now I think. With that being said, the Cielo 1060 00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:05,790 Rd. still has room to grow and I think there's still a lot more 1061 00:55:05,790 --> 00:55:08,870 that can be done in this space. But I think they executed well. 1062 00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:10,710 They did not put a plate in the shoe. 1063 00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:14,750 It has that piba based foam, a real track spike like upper. 1064 00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:18,470 So I think if you're looking for a shoe that is nimble, you know 1065 00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:21,310 maybe you're running a 5K10K with a lot of tight turns, 1066 00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:24,750 you're going to feel a lot of more confident in these shoes 1067 00:55:24,750 --> 00:55:27,470 and since you don't have that plate, I think it just. 1068 00:55:28,030 --> 00:55:30,670 You feel a little bit more connected with the ground. 1069 00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:34,190 I also think it's a really versatile shoe. 1070 00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:36,990 It is great for those fast days, but I think you're going to 1071 00:55:36,990 --> 00:55:41,150 bring them out for workout days and I think even just for, I 1072 00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:44,630 don't know, I've brought it out for a couple easy days where I 1073 00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:48,430 just pick it up a little bit and surprisingly I wouldn't 1074 00:55:48,430 --> 00:55:50,830 necessarily recommend it for that, but I think it shows the 1075 00:55:50,830 --> 00:55:53,930 versatility of the shoe and. You know it is a low to the 1076 00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:56,730 ground racing flat, but you go back a few years that would have 1077 00:55:56,730 --> 00:55:58,530 been a highly cushioned shoes. So. 1078 00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:05,450 Yeah, it's really interesting that that rounds out my 5:00, 1079 00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:10,330 but I I will just say to another one that I think I've been 1080 00:56:10,330 --> 00:56:14,410 bringing out quite a bit and maybe didn't hit as my very top 1081 00:56:14,410 --> 00:56:16,730 and I think maybe some of the shoes have been out for a little 1082 00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:19,290 bit. But probably the top brand that 1083 00:56:19,290 --> 00:56:21,570 came in hot, the new brand, I think it's Puma. 1084 00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:26,260 And Puma has really come in hot and there's very rarely do you 1085 00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:32,380 see a brand go from zero to you know 60 real quick. 1086 00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:37,540 And it's I, I I think what they're doing in terms of foam, 1087 00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:43,140 compounds, plates, unique avenues in terms of finding 1088 00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:47,340 shoes, yes, Fast forward right there is just a great example of 1089 00:56:47,620 --> 00:56:51,790 finding niches and. Creating unique product that is 1090 00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:54,870 going to fill that void and you know Fast forward, there's 1091 00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:56,590 nothing on the market that's quite like that. 1092 00:56:56,590 --> 00:57:00,350 And when we talk about close to the ground shoes, I think if we 1093 00:57:00,350 --> 00:57:04,070 did go Cielo Rd. versus Fast forward, if I was looking peak, 1094 00:57:04,070 --> 00:57:07,990 peak 5K, I'd give the lean to the Fast forward because you 1095 00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:11,830 have to be a extremely efficient runner to wear that shoe and 1096 00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:13,510 it's not going to work for everyone. 1097 00:57:14,070 --> 00:57:17,070 You know, I think probably 90% of the runners out there. 1098 00:57:17,580 --> 00:57:19,900 I don't know if I could recommend the shoe for maybe 1099 00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:23,660 even more, but if you are, you know, maybe a high high end, 1100 00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:29,300 high school, high end, cross college, post collegiate, trying 1101 00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:32,340 to break 15 in the 5K. I think it's a really, really 1102 00:57:32,340 --> 00:57:34,980 cool shoe. And you know, Puma's just been 1103 00:57:34,980 --> 00:57:38,500 doing that in terms of marathon, in terms of stability, shoes 1104 00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:40,380 that are using inherent stability. 1105 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,280 To do different things. So I'll give the lean to Puma 1106 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,560 and I I I think we're going to see some big things come over 1107 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,560 the next year or two. Cool. 1108 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,240 So I have a couple questions for you because now there we go, we 1109 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,000 got, we got the goats top five for the year. 1110 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,520 I also love that you have like 1000 miles on the Nimbus 25. 1111 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,280 That's like he's my favorite thing. 1112 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,760 We've we've all enjoyed that. Well, David, you may have 1113 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,080 enjoyed it the least of. All of us. 1114 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,200 That's Okay, though. Yeah. 1115 00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:10,260 But I know Matt and I have had a good time in that shoe. 1116 00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:13,300 It's a little soft for me, but I love that, you know when 1117 00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:16,620 somebody puts in that amount of miles and something, that's when 1118 00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:19,180 that's it for me. That's how I like pick what's my 1119 00:58:19,180 --> 00:58:21,420 top shoe of the year. Well, the one that I ran the 1120 00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:24,020 most in. You know, I had a couple 1121 00:58:24,020 --> 00:58:26,100 questions for you because there's some shoes that we 1122 00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:28,500 haven't tested yet and we don't have a lot of time, but we'd 1123 00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:31,660 love to get your thoughts on it. The 1st is on the on the 1124 00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:35,250 Ultrafly in the. Trail scene. 1125 00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:39,810 So how would you compare that to probably the one of the only 1126 00:58:39,810 --> 00:58:43,770 other super shoes out there Or super foams on the trail, which 1127 00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:48,970 is the endorphin rift and the endorphin edge too, So the edge 1128 00:58:48,970 --> 00:58:50,290 is the one with the with the plate. 1129 00:58:50,970 --> 00:58:53,570 How would you compare those two models to each other? 1130 00:58:54,190 --> 00:58:57,190 Yeah, well, I mean even to look at what we've seen on the trail 1131 00:58:57,190 --> 00:59:00,270 side, you have seen Tecton, maybe not a true super foam, but 1132 00:59:00,270 --> 00:59:03,910 a carbon plated shoe. North Face has a few shoes that 1133 00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:06,470 have a more super critical foam with plates. 1134 00:59:06,670 --> 00:59:09,230 So we're starting to see it a little bit more on the trail 1135 00:59:09,230 --> 00:59:11,510 side. Craft has a few as well. 1136 00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:15,790 But I think if we're going to compare it, I think the 1137 00:59:15,790 --> 00:59:19,790 endorphin edge and I haven't done much in the Rift, but those 1138 00:59:19,790 --> 00:59:23,550 two are I I think also the leaders because they have that 1139 00:59:23,550 --> 00:59:26,150 full length super foam, you get that responsiveness. 1140 00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:31,550 I think it's close, but I I do give the lean to the vapor, to 1141 00:59:31,550 --> 00:59:35,750 the ultrafly because I think the foam just feels a little bit 1142 00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:39,570 better on foot. I also think with both of those 1143 00:59:39,570 --> 00:59:43,090 shoes though they surprisingly work really well for the road 1144 00:59:43,290 --> 00:59:46,690 and the trail. So a lot of times I find if a 1145 00:59:46,690 --> 00:59:51,490 trail, a really good trail shoe can sometimes work well on the 1146 00:59:51,490 --> 00:59:54,090 roads and I I think both the case is there. 1147 00:59:54,690 --> 00:59:59,730 I I think though when we look at the plate they I believe they 1148 00:59:59,730 --> 01:00:04,370 both have a forked plate. So a similar philosophy correct 1149 01:00:04,370 --> 01:00:07,330 me if I'm wrong the the edge has the forked as well I believe. 1150 01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:09,500 I think they do. They have the carpet tax one 1151 01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:12,940 that has flex in One Direction. It's a it's not just you're like 1152 01:00:12,940 --> 01:00:14,860 it's not the same plate they use on the road. 1153 01:00:14,860 --> 01:00:18,100 So I know they've done some. And and I think that's where we 1154 01:00:18,180 --> 01:00:22,540 talk about the trails gets tricky because you're on very 1155 01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:25,420 terrain, things are unstable. So you have to do different 1156 01:00:25,420 --> 01:00:28,860 things with the plate. And I think over the years we're 1157 01:00:28,860 --> 01:00:32,420 going to see it get fine-tuned better and better and work as a 1158 01:00:32,420 --> 01:00:37,960 suspension system on the trails. So I think Edge and Ultrafly 1159 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,040 very close. Now I would probably recommend 1160 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,160 people to try both because it's going to come down to fit and 1161 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,040 how it works with your gate. I think for myself personally, 1162 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:50,000 the Ultrafly just worked a little bit better and I'm just a 1163 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,200 sucker for the swoosh. It looks great, but yeah, you 1164 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,960 know, I think it does get tricky on the trails. 1165 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,200 But it's interesting and you're going to start seeing that now 1166 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,960 with ultra marathoners, seeing what was done in the road and 1167 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,280 how do you get that efficiency? Because if we look at the 1168 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,320 marathon, we look at the 5K, people are looking at a 1169 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,000 dragonfly and how many seconds can I get. 1170 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,120 Then you go to the marathon and that just accumulates because 26 1171 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,040 miles, if you can get a second or two per mile, you know that 1172 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,480 could be another minute off your time. 1173 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,280 Then you go 100 mile race or maybe even a 200 mile race. 1174 01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:31,190 I mean how much that's going to add up, the efficiencies make 1175 01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:35,950 such a big difference. So is it a coincidence that two 1176 01:01:35,950 --> 01:01:38,670 of the top three were wearing Ultrafly? 1177 01:01:38,670 --> 01:01:42,350 And I think it's also worth noting the winner was wearing 1178 01:01:42,350 --> 01:01:48,310 the Adidas Super shoe, the Super Trail shoe, so again, super foam 1179 01:01:48,310 --> 01:01:50,940 plate, so. It's it's going to continue to 1180 01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:53,820 be seen on the ultra marathon scene and I I think we're 1181 01:01:53,860 --> 01:01:57,020 basically at the point where super shoes are going to be 1182 01:01:57,020 --> 01:02:00,260 needed at least for a more runnable course like Western 1183 01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:01,860 States. When you talk start talking 1184 01:02:01,860 --> 01:02:05,180 about UT, MB and really, really rough trails, then the 1185 01:02:05,180 --> 01:02:08,820 conversation changes a little bit because stability is even 1186 01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:12,780 more needed. So long long answer but yeah, I 1187 01:02:12,820 --> 01:02:16,060 I I think both shoes are really good and it'll be exciting to 1188 01:02:16,060 --> 01:02:18,500 see where the foams and plates continue to move. 1189 01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:19,980 That's great. Awesome. 1190 01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:23,980 I I that's all I have from my end. 1191 01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:27,900 We are so glad that you came to join us for this conversation. 1192 01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:29,380 We knew we like to do this every year. 1193 01:02:29,380 --> 01:02:31,620 People like to hear hey what's mid year update, how are things 1194 01:02:31,620 --> 01:02:33,820 going and we thought it'd be really fun to have you on with 1195 01:02:33,820 --> 01:02:36,500 us. Appreciate your perspective the 1196 01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:40,220 way that you really put things through their paces the way that 1197 01:02:40,220 --> 01:02:42,340 you've I mean you have a way with. 1198 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,400 Describing shoes, just because you've tried so many and you've 1199 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,320 had to create so much content, you have a great way of of 1200 01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,880 communicating what a shoe is like. 1201 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:54,280 And I my opinion and I think our opinion that despite the fact 1202 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,480 that you work for a company that like you said, sell shoes, I 1203 01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,960 think that your words are trustworthy and I think that's a 1204 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:02,800 valuable thing to have in somebody who sits in the 1205 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,000 position you do. So thanks for your work and 1206 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:09,880 thanks for joining us today too. If you want to find Connor, you 1207 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,640 can see him on his personal account, which is see Blade. 1208 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,680 His runs, so you can find him using that. 1209 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,800 And then obviously if you want to be following what he's doing 1210 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,920 through his work, you can follow running Warehouse on Instagram 1211 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,160 and YouTube and all of the social media stuff, then you'll 1212 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:28,920 you'll definitely see his face there. 1213 01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,400 So Connor, thank you so much for joining us again. 1214 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,600 It was a pleasure having you. Yeah, thank you. 1215 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,400 I, I just want to end this by saying, you know, I appreciate 1216 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,000 you guys. Bringing me on. 1217 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,800 You know, I love talking shoes and I I love talking with people 1218 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,040 that are as excited about shoes as I am, as you guys are. 1219 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,560 So that's fun. And you know, I, I, I appreciate 1220 01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,520 the kind words and I'm looking forward to doing this again. 1221 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:57,240 You know, this hour just flew by and I think we got to we got to 1222 01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,160 keep this conversation going because the people, the people 1223 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,840 need to hear what's the next greatest and you guys deliver. 1224 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:04,720 Great. I'd love it. 1225 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:06,200 Thank you all. Right. 1226 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,680 I'll see you soon. Bye.