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Everyone welcome to the doctors 

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running podcast. 
For we a group of doctors of 

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physical therapy, talk about the
art and the science of the stuff

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we put in our feet today. 
It is Andhra and myself talking 

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about a very special tree that 
we've been really excited to You

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we've got a full review on it 
out right now but that we would 

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add to it and talk a little bit 
more that being the Nike Vapor 

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fly next percent three. 
I understand they might be taken

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some of those words out. 
And now it's just Nike Vapor fly

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3. 
Did I misunderstand that? 

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We finally like shortening the 
names up of these shoes or did I

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misunderstand that? 
Well, that would be fabulous if 

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that was true. 
I'm not sure if it is though. 

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Okay, got it. 
Yes. 

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So we've both gotten some good 
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miles. 
You have four 88, right? 

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I have 29. 
So we've definitely tried to put

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it through our Paces. 
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talking about Racing shoes, 
always fun, right? 

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Because those are the sexy 
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This is really exciting 
especially when it comes to the 

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vapor fly because this is such a
shoe has such a long, I guess. 

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Not like it has an extensive 
history, wasn't that long ago 

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that came out, but it has quite 
an extensive history. 

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I think it's working really well
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It may not work well for others 
or hope today is to dive into 

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that a little bit more review 
and see how it's changed. 

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Whom It worked for who it might 
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And obviously since we're 
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subjective right now. 
For this podcast is what is your

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current favorite racing shoe and
why and Andrea I'm going to turn

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that to you. 
What is your favorite racing? 

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Sure right now and why is that 
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then I guess we're going to find
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Well it part half of the answer 
is the vapor fly 3 but the other

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half is the original Alpha fly 
which I've done my past three 

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races and We'll talk about this 
a little later but I love the 

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alpha fly for shorter distance 
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the vapor fly 3 is going to be 
my Marathon racing shoe for 

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grandmas in June. 
So kind of bucking the marketing

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trend of what Nike says the 
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for. 
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experienced the shoes. 
How about you? 

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You know, I've enjoyed some of 
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about this, it's not Stable 
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Most versions have been have not
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heel or mid-foot for me, my too 
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are the Hoka rocket X2 and I've 
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I'm just taking it for 5K. 
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endorphin Elite has kind of been
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able to race in it very often 
and I've been saving it but it's

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definitely been. 
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like hey if I'm ever going to do
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probably what I'm going to throw
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So So those we might I was 
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gave two shoes on - two issues 
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just answer with one shoe right 
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Definitely. 
So what for what are the big 

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updates that happen with the 
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Well, we know that they gave a 
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new flying. 
It material whereas I've got the

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two and the one right here. 
So the original next percent had

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this engineered and That was 
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breathable mesh, but still 
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Just, I found it a little bit 
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I think David mentioned that to 
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me is definitely the best 
fitting upper of the three Vapor

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Flies. 
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has like a little bit of Sure. 
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your foot. 
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shoe, it's not as much of a 
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one or the two. 
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one of the Nike guys gave with 
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that one of the main reasons, 
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three is to make it drain water 
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first informed, by their 
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Performance in the 2018, Boston 
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Monsoon, as probably when they 
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don't know, shoe development 
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So if you see issue, it's 
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It's probably started working on
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So that does not surprise me 
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we're going to work on this and 
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That was part of that. 
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that. 
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has remained the same I'm 
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of the outsole. 
We'll talk about that spec Wise,

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It's dropped weight, so it's now
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size-nine. 
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size 8, it has a 38. 
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sorry yeah he'll stack height 30
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removable insole is always an 
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it is still considered I would 
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is certainly which is 
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It more about Eastern mentioned,
its use and how it's being 

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reported, its kind of Nike is 
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the alpha fly to is narrowly the
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The Vapor 53. 
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marketing. 
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anything, go for it. 
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it for daily training but we can
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changed the tongue a little bit 
and some people when they try it

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on, might be a little put off by
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the medial part of the ankle. 
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thought, oh my gosh, I'm going 
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like bleeding from the front of 
my ankle, but you don't notice 

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it at all while you're running, 
but I'm just not quite sure why 

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it's so long and in my, in our 
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recommended that Nike clean That
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It's on the front of the ankle a
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split tongue. 
It's not that little part of the

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end but yeah, just a teeny bit 
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Yeah, we're going back to your 
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I'm actually really impressive. 
This might be the best fitting 

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Vapor fly this far. 
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nice hold in the heel and 
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counter in that padding on the 
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sensitive to heal counters know.
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but it's opposite just a little 
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forward. 
The forefoot was great. 

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You know, you just mention that 
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pressure for version 2. 
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I would say that there's a 
higher volume in the forefoot 

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where it's not necessarily the 
whitest thing, but the mesh kind

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of moves with you and it gives 
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very surprising to have in a 
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One of these. 
I mean, they were like, I mean, 

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the original, which I have a 
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Wider side. 
There's just a lot of volume 

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here. 
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volume in the forefoot, 
definitely an issue and it does 

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drain. 
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pink was probably not the best. 
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their still for those who are 
listening. 

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I have my hand in the shoe but 
it is, it's definitely a 

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breathable upper. 
So I think that is probably one 

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of the bigger updates that I 
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good job on, definitely. 
I agree. 

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It's the best fitting Vapor fly 
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And I would also say I've run in
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One was like they're unisex 
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I ordered my usual women's size 
9 and a half and it was too 

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small. 
Like my big toe is right at the 

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end. 
So I sent it back and got a 10 

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and that gave me enough room for
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I got a woman's nine and a half 
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the same as the women's 10 in 
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So people who were maybe in 
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might find that Three is true to
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I definitely wouldn't size up in
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think it would be too long. 
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't do 

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it because I usually Fortune to 
be pretty close at men's 10 

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across the board and I would not
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I would definitely make it too 
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So if you are true to size, stay
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If you're between sizes, you're 
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with maybe the lower one. 
Just based on how much volume 

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there is. 
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a lot man. 
Yeah, hesitate to go up. 

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Half a size. 
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That's on the fit. 
How do you feel about the 

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midsole and the soul? 
I feel like this is where our 

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and I'll be honest. 
So somebody we put out a I put 

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out of sub 2 and people were 
like oh I'm hearing all kinds of

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different things and it's great 
because our team actually had a 

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similar experience for had very 
different opinions on the 

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midsole. 
So Andrew, What were, what was 

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your feelings on the changes 
that happen and how you've what 

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you felt about them. 
So I've done three runs in the 

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vapor fly so far to 12 mile runs
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at threshold and some Hill 
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And then yesterday, I took it on
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six by two miles at marathon 
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And I did my warm up and cool 
down and it so all 20 miles, the

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first two runs it felt firmer 
than any vapor fly I've ever run

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in. 
I wrote in my written review 

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online, that the original Vapor 
fly when you land on it, it had 

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that like little bit Of sinking 
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And then you would get that, 
like, you know, that familiar 

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zoomx bounds and the propulsion 
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But three feels firmer. 
Like, there's not that sinking, 

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you still get that like super 
proposed a feeling the best way 

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that I can describe this version
3 shoe, is it all feels like, 

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forward motion to me. 
And there's like, nothing wasted

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in this shoe. 
I will say that on my run 

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yesterday. 
I finally noticed. 

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The midsole felt like it was 
softening up at touch but it's 

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still nowhere. 
Close to what one or two feels 

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like to me and what they felt 
like right out of the box. 

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How about you're wanted? 
You're fine with that. 

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I had the same thing and it was 
it was enough that I had to go. 

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Grab my pair of the original put
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has tons of miles on it but it 
just had that nice as soon as 

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you step in it sinks in so very 
compliant midsole but when you 

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load it it becomes very 
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As back where I feel like my 
first run in my well, it was 

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really like, my second. 
First one was breaking in a mile

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and a half and I was like this 
feels firmer than I was 

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expecting and then I race the 
next day in the rocket X2, and 

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grab this for a fort, like right
afterwards and going from the 

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rocket X2, which is a firmer 
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But the heel is very bouncy to 
this was kind of weird because 

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it didn't feel as soft 
initiatives, like, expecting 

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word, that zoomx, and it's taken
more miles for that feeling to 

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come. 
And I still would agree with you

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that it feels firmer. 
That's not necessarily a bad 

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thing. 
It just feels more efficient. 

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I think is the right term 
because I was, I put it on for 

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the workout going. 
I know what Zoom X is supposed 

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to feel like I know I'm how to 
go to, how I'm going to load it,

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and it was different. 
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it in, the more, its kind of 
slowly gotten that way, I would 

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say it's still a very resilient 
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bounces you gives you a good 
amount of energy return. 

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It's very efficient. 
Definitely run faster when I put

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this shoe on but it's not as 
cut, it doesn't feel as 

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compliant initially unless you 
land at the rear foot until I 

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was like I was getting up a 
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When I started loading the rear 
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little bit more of that, but the
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firmer and I think the outsole 
has a little bit to do with that

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but I'm not sure. 
It does not bad. 

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It's not a bad feeling, it just 
feels a little bit firmer than 

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what I've typically. 
What we've typically known for 

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From Vapor Flies. 
Yeah, yeah, I agree. 

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It's not a bad feeling at all. 
I love it. 

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Yeah, it just like you said. 
It's not as compliant as the 

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other, the previous versions. 
Yeah, and some people may feel 

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differently, right? 
David was like, I think it was 

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like a feels the same. 
We have set up. 

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You'll feel the same but for 
Angie and I we had the same 

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experience. 
Yeah. 

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Not a bad thing. 
Just a little bit firmer which 

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is interesting. 
So the plate is the same. 

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Somebody correct me on this. 
I think the stack height is the 

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same it erect. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So you know I what do you think?
But talking about the stack 

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height even though the stack 
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interview with the Nike guy on 
running Warehouse. 

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He said that the change to the 
outsole, allowed them to use two

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or three millimeters more foam 
as compared to version 2. 

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So even though the overall stack
is the same, there's actually 

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more zoomx in terms of Stack 
compared to the other shoes. 

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Got it compared to the outsole 
rubber they used in the formula 

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on the previous versions. 
That's interesting. 

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Because the other thing is 
really interesting. 

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I know lots of high schools. 
Lots of people love using Vapor 

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Flies for cross country, which I
would never ever use. 

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If those people like that, be 
the new outsoles, very much more

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waffle, like we're at grips a 
lot better. 

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So I think, even though this is 
not something I would ever 

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suggest, Cross-country because I
feel like you're going to roll 

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your ankle but that's just me 
that the grip is Al is 

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noticeably better and I've tried
this out on some wet surfaces 

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little bit on trail where I 
thought I was going to die and I

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turned out to be fine with no 
twisted ankles but I would not 

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do that again. 
Tractions a lot better. 

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Have you had any any issues with
traction has been? 

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How's it been? 
No. 

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I have so much confidence in any
Nike shoe in the rain as opposed

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to other brands, where I know if
it's going to rain. 

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I don't want to Use them because
I'm going to slit my first run 

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in these. 
I got caught in a surprise 

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rainstorm at the end of my 
workout where it went from dry 

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to like, massive puddles, very 
quickly and I had no issues and 

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I was still doing my intervals 
when it started raining. 

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So perfect upper for that. 
Oh absolutely yeah. 

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And you know when you're 
planning a racing Shear 

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particularly a marathon shoe, 
it's nice to know that you can 

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use it in any condition like 
there are other shoes that I 

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would love to use in a marathon.
I know if it's going to rain, 

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I'm not going to use it because 
of its poor traction. 

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So that is one big plus about 
the outsole of not only this 

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Vapor fly but the alpha fly in 
previous Vapor Flies. 

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Is you just you know how it's 
going to handle in the rain. 

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That's good. 
I would hope again. 

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I don't know where I'm making an
assumption here. 

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So feel free to people to call 
me out if you know that they 

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were the actual answer lies. 
That Nike is based in Portland 

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Oregon where I are Beaverton 
Oregon. 

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I grew up Ooh up in Portland 
about 45 miles away and it's it 

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rains there all the time. 
So if they'd abuse shoe that has

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bad traction, I'm certain 
they're going. 

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Come on like you rains. 
It's constantly wet there. 

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You should have at least like 
you've got plenty of things to 

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test to make sure this tracks is
pretty solid on wet pavement or 

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whatever. 
So yeah, now unless something, 

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tell somebody tell me if it was 
actually designed somewhere else

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but I know the headquarters are 
in Beaverton. 

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Well then you've also got to 
assume that a lot of their 

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athletes are testing them around
their Orders. 

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So you'd assume. 
So yeah, the unit for now. 

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So we've kind of touched on 
this. 

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I think Andrew you have more 
experience with the last couple 

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versions of the vapor fly than I
do. 

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And we, yeah, we have touched on
it but what would be your big 

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thoughts on the ride over all? 
Not just the firmness of the 

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midsole but the right overall 
compared to previous Vapor 

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Flies. 
So I've done a lot of running in

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the original next percent. 
I ran a marathon and a I've run 

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several five. 
K's five mile I think maybe a 

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half marathon. 
So I've put the original Vapor 

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fly through the paces and I 
would say, like, what we were 

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saying earlier, the original you
load it, you feel that sinking 

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in and then you get the bounce 
version 3, you don't think in 

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your just land and boom, you're 
pushing off and there's just 

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there's no for me. 
There's no medial lateral 

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instability. 
There's no feeling like I have 

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to do anything to get myself 
from initial contact to push 

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off. 
It's just bam, land and go and I

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think it's going to make this 
shoe even more versatile at for 

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a range of races because of 
that, most people tend to prefer

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a stiffer shoe. 
The faster you run and this shoe

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does feel stiffer. 
And that's not saying that the 

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previous versions of the blade 
Vapor fly were soft, or 

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Flexible, they weren't, but this
shoe just feels stiff and fast 

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and everything is directed to 
forward motion. 

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Yeah, I would, I would 
definitely agree where it's very

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efficient is probably the right 
one. 

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I do want to touch on the 
stability component because I 

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think maybe I gave this shoe 
hard a harder time than 

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necessary I think is at the the 
race that I was running. 

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It was the Orange County heart, 
at Heart and Stroke walk and 

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they had to have a run in my 
University. 

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Work for was down there 
sponsoring. 

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I was like right fine, I'll go 
run this and probably get my 

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butt beaten by some high school 
or now that I'm getting slower. 

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I'll be fine. 
So, I actually end up doing 

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super well one. 
I was like, great, but that's 

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cause I had no competition. 
So there's asterisk. 

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Sign behind that. 
It was interesting. 

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Course, going through, Angel 
Stadium, like not just through 

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the actual like, like the like 
feel, but, like up into the, 

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like, not the bleachers but, 
like, up the, what I can't even 

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talk right now, like, the ram, 
like, Errol the, yeah. 

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It was going up and forth 
through the ramps through the, 

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like, all around the thing down 
ramps and I was like, where am I

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going? 
It's super cool. 

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Following the, the cart in front
of me and I was like, do you 

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actually know where you're going
or you just like random then you

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pop out in the parking lot, then
come back in and went through 

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the field and then you're doing 
boring Loops of the parking lot.

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So it's actually pretty. 
It was a pretty abstinence 

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intercourse so that was in the 
rocket X2 and so that's a very 

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For shoe then this stability 
wise. 

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So to come from that which is 
just a little bit lower stack, 

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approximately little bit 
different setup in the heel to 

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the vapor fly was a little bit 
of a. 

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Whoa this is kind of like like 
this is just a different thing 

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so and I think that contrast may
have bias me a little bit. 

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The one thing that really kind 
of got to me was the very end. 

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They saw I saw a guy who came in
later that was wearing them. 

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I was like, hey, what do you 
think? 

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I literally just got this in 
their day and he goes, oh, it 

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feels so much more stable and 
I'm sitting there, And it is 

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like, his foot is hanging off 
the medial side and like, oh, 

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really stable. 
Huh. 

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I was like, you know, but 
everybody perceives that 

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differently and I will say there
is a sidewall on the medial and 

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lateral side, that definitely 
feels more prominent. 

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The arch definitely feels higher
to me on and they and they did 

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mention that the fourth and the 
heel I was kind of griping on 

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this but Andrew showed me and we
double-check this mid foot and 

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the heel are actually fairly 
similar in width to the previous

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version. 
So I can't give that a hard 

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time. 
The forefoot definitely has been

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extended on that medial side to 
improve forefoot stability, so 

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if you land further forward, 
you're going to like this. 

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But I think if you're someone 
like myself that, really that's 

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more of a heel Striker tends to 
fatigue. 

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If you need a little bit 
stability at the rear foot 

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mid-foot, that's, there's 
probably not going to be enough 

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of it. 
I will admit just for some basic

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components if the heel and the 
in the mid-foot are the same 

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width and they added a sidewall 
and extend the Forefront, I 

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guess. 
Technically this would be a 

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little bit more stable from the 
last version. 

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I will admit that out loud but 
it is still not a stability. 

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Shoot, like, I've done half 
marathons in the original next 

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percent and the it was at one 
was a downhill course. 

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One was a flat course. 
I definitely fatigued on the 

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downhill course, so if you need 
stability needs in the rear foot

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mid-foot, this is probably not 
going to be the best option. 

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If you need a little bit of that
in the forefoot, that ask this 

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actually might work really well,
just because of the extended 

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midsole on the forefoot. 
The mild Sidewall. 

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And the fact that it does, even 
though which blows my mind, 

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there's more zoomx. 
It does run a little bit firmer 

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and stiffer than previous 
versions. 

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I actually think this might work
really well for people that need

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just a teeny bit of guidance up 
front, but this is certainly not

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a stability shoe. 
I think correctly for on L8. 

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Heath was mentioning that if you
want a wider base or a little 

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bit more inherent, guidance is 
stability. 

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Which I don't think you should 
be allowed to use with this 

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shoe, but he mentioned using the
alpha fly to instead correct. 

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I'm not sure if you mentioned 
that particular video but he may

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have mentioned it elsewhere. 
Yeah. 

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And David McDavid told her. 
Okay. 

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He might be making like, pull my
leg but I don't know. 

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My experience of the alpha fly 
is one. 

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I don't like the to at all. 
So I haven't done much running 

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and the one is one of my 
favorite shoes like I said, but 

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I personally would not use the 
one for a marathon because it 

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feels to propulsive for me. 
Like I feel like I do Better in 

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it when I'm running faster and I
used it for a half and I didn't 

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feel like it was too much to or 
like to bouncy, or to 

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propulsive. 
But every time I've tried to do 

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like a marathon pace long 
workout in it, I'm like the 

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shoes too much. 
I don't want to run 26.2 in it. 

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It's too much. 
It has too much kissing. 

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Yeah, that gets that's gets the 
next point is, what would you 

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plan to you? 
So, we talked about Vapor, the 

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out. 
What would you plan to use the 

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vapor fly? 
Oh, three four. 

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Well, I'm there. 
I'm a very well, use it for 

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Grandma's Marathon next month. 
I've been trying to figure out 

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which you, I want to run this 
marathon in, and I have a pair 

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of two's that I haven't run in 
very much and I thought maybe 

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that would be it, but the upper 
update in the three is so nice. 

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It fits so much better. 
It's more comfortable. 

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Like I said, I did 20 in them 
yesterday. 

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Nothing bothered me. 
My feet felt amazing. 

444
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,000
I didn't have any Foot or ankle 
soreness afterwards, which I 

445
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,599
often do after long runs like I 
ran five miles this morning. 

446
00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:38,200
Like just a nice super easy 
recovery run. 

447
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,099
I didn't feel bad. 
Like I felt pretty good and so I

448
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:47,000
this she was definitely a top 
Contender for my Marathon shoe. 

449
00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:50,599
I did want to get back to what 
you were saying about how they 

450
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:53,500
shifted the platform in the 
forefoot. 

451
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:57,099
Medially so when I heard that, I
was like, oh no, I'm gonna hate 

452
00:23:57,099 --> 00:24:01,700
it because I have Have Island 
pretty excessively on my lateral

453
00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:05,200
mid-foot and I have trouble 
especially with my left foot 

454
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,000
because I've sprained it so much
like loading my first MTP. 

455
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,000
So I like shoes that have more 
lateral Sorrel soulflayer in the

456
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,500
forefoot as compared to medial. 
So it's like oh no they did the 

457
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:22,000
opposite to the vapor fly but if
it doesn't, I don't notice it at

458
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,799
all. 
And like I said the vapor fly 3.

459
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:27,799
Just feels like pure forward 
motion for me. 

460
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,099
Cause me, any issues didn't feel
like I was pushing off with my 

461
00:24:32,099 --> 00:24:35,000
lateral forefoot and just to 
compare. 

462
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,500
I had the 1 and the 2 on 
earlier, and I could feel that 

463
00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:43,599
in those shoes. 
I almost roll off the inside of 

464
00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:47,299
my first MTP, which is not 
something you want to do. 

465
00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:53,299
So, even for people who have 
stability issues, where they 

466
00:24:53,299 --> 00:24:56,599
need help, loading the medial 
aspect of their forefoot, The 

467
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:59,500
Vapor fly 3 might still work for
For you because it's working 

468
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:02,400
great for me so far. 
That's awesome. 

469
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,599
So didn't you didn't feel like 
he was pushing you one way or 

470
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:06,900
another was just facilitating 
that really definitely not. 

471
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:10,299
Yeah like it I think it just 
lines up really nicely with my 

472
00:25:10,299 --> 00:25:16,400
mechanics and it feels like it 
just helps me land and push off 

473
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:18,400
in the most efficient way 
possible. 

474
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,900
And I mean I've tested a lot of 
Super Shoes since I joined the 

475
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:28,099
team, almost two years ago and I
this one feels the most natural 

476
00:25:28,099 --> 00:25:30,299
to me Me, which is kind of 
crazy. 

477
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000
That was kind of crazy. 
I'm so you think again, just to 

478
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,000
reiterate, you, you're planning 
on thinking about using. 

479
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,200
Is there anybody else in 
contention for grandmas? 

480
00:25:41,299 --> 00:25:44,599
The other shoe that I really 
would like to use and grandmas 

481
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:48,599
is the Endorphin Elite, but I do
not trust the outsole in the 

482
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,599
rain. 
And I don't want to put, you 

483
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:57,000
know, all of my money in one pot
there and have it be raining. 

484
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,900
And then need to come up with a 
different shoe. 

485
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,299
Yeah, I love the Endorphin Elite
but I made the mistake of using 

486
00:26:03,299 --> 00:26:07,400
on a, on a wet track, and that 
was a terrifying experience, and

487
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,400
probably would not do that. 
Again, it's got to be, it's one 

488
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,900
of those shoes. 
You got to have the right. 

489
00:26:11,099 --> 00:26:14,900
Conditions for its very specific
tool whereas I could definitely 

490
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:18,200
see if my mechanics were more 
stable in the rear foot I can 

491
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,400
definitely see the vapor fly 
being a great shoe just because 

492
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,900
you know you can trust for 
drainage, you can trust it for 

493
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,700
traction. 
It's got a well obviously a 

494
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:31,700
proven right there so I can 
totally see that coming back to 

495
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:34,400
me. 
I think, I'm hoping so I'm going

496
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,500
to throw this out there. 
It'll still be too early by the 

497
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,799
time. 
This podcast comes out but 

498
00:26:40,099 --> 00:26:41,599
hopefully start. 
In June. 

499
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,900
I should be starting my full 
data collection for my, the main

500
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:47,900
part of my dissertation. 
So my methods is done this is 

501
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,799
off topic. 
So I'm realizing hey, the next 

502
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,200
month in May I'm going to try to
go hit some five. 

503
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,200
K's, maybe 10K races before I am
in the lab. 

504
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,000
Every breathing second when I'm 
not teaching or doing this 

505
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,299
collecting data. 
So yeah, I'm going to just I'm 

506
00:27:04,299 --> 00:27:06,799
gonna force myself to go. 
Yeah, I want to try this for a 

507
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:10,599
5k or 10K and just see what 
happens in a race environment 

508
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:13,099
because one Thing to use it in a
workout. 

509
00:27:13,099 --> 00:27:14,799
It's another thing to go. 
Hey, what happens on race day? 

510
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:18,000
So I'm going to use it for 
either 5K 10K just because I've 

511
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,900
got data collection coming, I've
got a child coming so that means

512
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,700
that I don't know what's gonna 
happen, race was so yep, I will 

513
00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:28,099
force myself to use it. 
I just I don't know the 

514
00:27:28,099 --> 00:27:29,200
stability thing in the rear 
foot. 

515
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,900
I think is what's guest me? 
But that's with a lot of Vapor 

516
00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:33,500
Flies so but it's still a solid 
shoe. 

517
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:36,400
I can definitely see with the 
amount of foam underfoot with 

518
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,500
the traction. 
It being as it continues to be 

519
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:41,599
one of the more 10 more. 
Racing shoes. 

520
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,200
It will obviously see on the 
feet of Runners and it makes 

521
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,400
sense. 
I think it's going to continue 

522
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,299
that tradition. 
I don't think it getting a teeny

523
00:27:48,299 --> 00:27:49,599
bit. 
Firmer is not a bad thing 

524
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:52,900
because it does and then some of
the changes I think are all 

525
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:56,799
positive. 
I can't think of anything - how 

526
00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,500
is durability been for you? 
I don't tend to wear out my 

527
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:03,799
shoes too much especially as 
long as they have rubber, so 

528
00:28:04,299 --> 00:28:09,299
unlike not like oh and that's my
guess there's a little bit of 

529
00:28:09,299 --> 00:28:14,299
wear like yeah. 
At the toes but otherwise just 

530
00:28:14,299 --> 00:28:18,200
dirt. 
So I think they should you know 

531
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,099
just looking at the rubber 
compared to the original Vapor 

532
00:28:21,099 --> 00:28:26,099
flying in my originals, have 
over 100 miles on them and you 

533
00:28:26,099 --> 00:28:32,000
can see there's not a lot of 
where they're just dirty, so I 

534
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,000
would expect the 3 to last even 
longer just based on the 

535
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,299
improved rubber coverage in the 
Fort Hood. 

536
00:28:40,099 --> 00:28:41,599
I would agree especially The 
forefoot. 

537
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,500
I am getting for the viewers on 
YouTube, you might be able to 

538
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:46,900
see that, I'm getting gum, 
chewing through the zoom X 

539
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:50,900
that's Exposed on the rear foot,
but those, this is pretty normal

540
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,000
for me. 
And I've done that with every 

541
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,599
pair I've had there is the, to, 
like, lateral and medial. 

542
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,299
What are these like this like 
thicker rubber coverages that? 

543
00:29:01,299 --> 00:29:05,599
And I'm not after 30 miles have 
not even begun to wear through 

544
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:06,900
them. 
Yeah, just some mild abrasion. 

545
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:10,700
So I think the vapor VIII has 
always been that shoe where we 

546
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:12,599
were. 
Toll like, hey, you should only 

547
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:17,599
use this for racing, but it does
as it breaks in overtime, it 

548
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:19,799
Loose a little bit of that pop. 
And then just feels comfortable 

549
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:21,900
and you can get this like a 
light like, hey, my legs are so 

550
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:23,599
messed up. 
I don't want to train her. 

551
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,200
I probably shouldn't be training
in this, but I may use this for 

552
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,299
a short run. 
It works it that longevity that 

553
00:29:28,299 --> 00:29:30,700
they flies is fairly good. 
Even on. 

554
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:32,900
That's coming from me. 
Who's the Destroyer? 

555
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,700
It's pretty good. 
So I would totally agree. 

556
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:38,599
I think it's going to last as 
long especially with the four 

557
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:40,900
foot coverage as long if not 
longer. 

558
00:29:42,299 --> 00:29:44,000
Then prior version. 
So they think that should be 

559
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,599
fine. 
Not a ton of change in that 

560
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,599
aspect. 
Yeah I'm ready for some 

561
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,599
Compares. 
Yeah over just to reiterate I 

562
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,599
Nike advertises The Vapor Flies 
there. 

563
00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,500
Do it all super shoe and I 100% 
agree. 

564
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,099
Like I could if I was going to 
racer Road Mi I do it in the 

565
00:30:04,107 --> 00:30:08,900
paper fly. 
I've used it for everything 

566
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:13,099
else. 5K 10K, 8. 
Okay, half marathon like, if 

567
00:30:13,099 --> 00:30:16,599
you're just buying one super 
shoe The Vapor Flies at like, I 

568
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:20,400
can't think of another Super 
shoot that I would confidently, 

569
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:28,299
choose for every distance. 
Can you not for the rear foot? 

570
00:30:28,299 --> 00:30:31,799
I would, I would definitely 
agree in terms of its 

571
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:35,400
versatility in that way, I think
the slight firmness actually 

572
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,599
makes it even better, which no 
offense Nike makes me kind of go

573
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:41,700
like, what's the point of this? 
Street fly. 

574
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,599
You know, I think, personally, 
I'm, you have this re quite 

575
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,099
right idea. 
And I'll tell you, the one thing

576
00:30:47,099 --> 00:30:50,000
that I enjoy using it for is 
Hill. 

577
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,799
Sprints ill, strides. 
Yeah, he'll stuff, but 

578
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,799
otherwise, it's too flexible. 
Like, it's fine. 

579
00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:02,400
It's really comfortable, but 
it's too flexible for most 

580
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,200
anything like it's fine to use 
for anything, but it's not my 

581
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,799
top choice for anything except 
long hill repeats, got it. 

582
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,900
Yeah but as a super shoe it is 
not that's not going to stack 

583
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,400
height neck at the plate. 
Yeah and so I you know I can 

584
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,000
definitely agree I think it's 
something you can use for any 

585
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,099
distance as long as you know how
to use this tool. 

586
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,900
It will probably find so we'll 
continue to see it during one 

587
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:28,799
mile races. 
Marathon efforts might probably 

588
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,900
obviously see in a couple Ultra 
marathons but it does have, but 

589
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:34,799
I think especially also now 
being at six and a half ounces, 

590
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,000
correct me if that I'm wrong I 
think that's the lightest super 

591
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,799
shoe on the market. 
Is that correct? 

592
00:31:43,099 --> 00:31:46,799
Because it beats out the Puma 
fast forward, which is six point

593
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,599
six ounces. 
It beats out the Adidas takumi 

594
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:53,200
send 9, which I think is also 
six point. 

595
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,500
Six ounces, which I've seen a 
couple things so there was one 

596
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:00,299
place that said, six point three
ounces, one place that said 6.6 

597
00:32:00,299 --> 00:32:03,700
but that doesn't have the stack 
height and the play. 

598
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:07,799
I mean it's got rods and some 
but it's just not that maximal 

599
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,400
level so I don't know that 
totally counts but six and a 

600
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,000
half ounces. 
For this tall of a stack height,

601
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,099
this much foam and a plate. 
It's yeah, I think it definitely

602
00:32:17,099 --> 00:32:20,200
took its place back in terms of 
that that being, that higher 

603
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,000
level thing now, fun Parts, 
we've done some couple 

604
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,599
comparisons, is there anything 
off the top of your head that 

605
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:31,000
you would compare this two terms
of other super shoots feels like

606
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,799
yeah. 
Those struggling with this like 

607
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,400
yeah I think of it just--there's
when you say Vapor Flies just 

608
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,000
that unique right? 
If there's not a lot of stuff 

609
00:32:40,099 --> 00:32:43,599
out there that similar, right. 
There's now the markets filled 

610
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:47,299
with Super Shoes every I think 
everyone has one. 

611
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:51,799
Does it necessarily fit the 
vapor fly my opinion? 

612
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,099
No, I think there's a couple 
shoes that yeah, still, no, I 

613
00:32:55,099 --> 00:32:59,099
think everybody's doing things 
so differently but let's say, so

614
00:32:59,099 --> 00:33:01,700
you mentioned one, how would you
compare this to the Endorphin 

615
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:04,299
Elite? 
I would say, the biggest 

616
00:33:04,299 --> 00:33:08,099
difference between the two shoes
is the difference in the spring.

617
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,299
So I've got the Endorphin Elite 
here. 

618
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:16,000
Yeah, I'm definitely, it has a 
really severe toe spring which I

619
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,299
happen to like, which is yeah, I
love shoes that look like this 

620
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,000
topos. 
The shoe. 

621
00:33:23,299 --> 00:33:25,400
If it looks like this, I'm 
probably going to like running 

622
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,700
in it. 
So the feeling at push off is 

623
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:32,500
very different in the Endorphin 
Ali. 

624
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:36,599
We as compared to the vapor fly 
because of the Steep toe spring,

625
00:33:37,299 --> 00:33:42,400
it definitely it feels like the 
shoe just kind of disappears 

626
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,000
under your foot particularly 
when you're running fast like 

627
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,700
the vapor fly. 
Like I said, I'd use it for any 

628
00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:53,000
Race distance, the Endorphin 
Elite, I probably would not use 

629
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,500
it for anything faster, the 
shorter than, like a 10K because

630
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:02,099
I think, the toe spring would 
feel strange at. 

631
00:34:02,099 --> 00:34:03,500
Yeah. 
Higher speeds. 

632
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,799
I would agree with in terms of 
like the Endorphin Elite feels 

633
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:12,099
more similar to the alpha fly. 
Does to the vapor fly. 

634
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,900
Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

635
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,500
Although and comparing the 
Endorphin Elite to the alpha fly

636
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:22,400
one based on where I land on the
alpha, fly one like the alpha 

637
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,699
fly one. 
I'll and, and it just gives me 

638
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:29,800
like this huge bounce because 
I'm landing like, right behind 

639
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,800
the ear pods. 
I think. 

640
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,500
That's why My opinion of the 
alphas lies so different just 

641
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:38,099
because I'm not Landing. 
Where, you know, a lot of people

642
00:34:38,099 --> 00:34:43,800
land in that shoe, the alpha fly
feels more explosive than the 

643
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,500
Endorphin Ali, but the Endorphin
Elite still has that highly 

644
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:51,000
cushioned feeling for mid-foot 
Landings. 

645
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,500
And then the toe spring of the 
Endorphin Elite kind of makes up

646
00:34:55,500 --> 00:35:01,599
for the lack of explosiveness 
compared to the are pubs of the 

647
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:02,500
alpha fly. 
Yeah. 

648
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:05,400
I would say probably being a 
rear foot Striker. 

649
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,800
I tend to load the Endorphin 
Elite really well where's the 

650
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,800
alpha fly to get to the forefoot
and load those pods takes me 

651
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,099
more time. 
So I found the opposite but I 

652
00:35:15,099 --> 00:35:18,800
think it's where we where we 
land, where the HG foam is a 

653
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,800
little bit firmer. 
I can move really quick in that 

654
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,800
shoe whereas the ALF fly tends 
to be a little bit slower for me

655
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,599
personally, but it's they still 
I think both are longer distance

656
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,300
kind of stuff. 
Whereas if you want to turn over

657
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:36,099
quick, those It would not be my 
first choices as opposed to 

658
00:35:36,099 --> 00:35:39,800
Vapor fly, which seems to be 
able to do a little bit of both.

659
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:41,599
Yeah, I mean. 
Ow, ow. 

660
00:35:41,699 --> 00:35:43,500
Yeah. 
Well when you look at the 

661
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,000
forefoot of the vapor flow and 
this is the same with other 

662
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,400
Vapor Flies. 
Yeah. 

663
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,000
The there's not a lot of toe 
spring in this shoe. 

664
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,099
It's, you know, you've got a 
4-foot rocker that isn't 

665
00:35:54,099 --> 00:35:58,199
particularly early, there's some
toe spring, but I mean, it's 

666
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:01,800
definitely not endorphin Elite 
level toe spring. 

667
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,300
So It's not right. 
That the The forefoot Rocker 

668
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:07,099
isn't early, but it's also not 
late. 

669
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:08,300
Right? 
Is interesting? 

670
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,599
Yeah, like it's kind of just 
moderate and there yeah, 

671
00:36:12,699 --> 00:36:13,500
moderate. 
Yeah. 

672
00:36:14,099 --> 00:36:19,500
And I think that feature make is
part of why the vapor fly is 

673
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:22,400
more versatile. 
It faster, Paces, got it. 

674
00:36:23,099 --> 00:36:26,500
Now, how would you compare this 
to something like the Endorphin 

675
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:28,800
Pro 3? 
Is there any more similarity 

676
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,199
between the Endorphin? 
Pro 3 and the vapor fly. 

677
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:35,900
Here's the Endorphin. 03 with 
another favorite about it 

678
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:38,900
differently, says, I didn't like
the replaces that came with this

679
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:43,000
one. 
The Endorphin Pro 3 for me, 

680
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:49,300
feels softer, initial contact, 
and the forefoot. 

681
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,199
And I'm not saying that the 
Endorphin Pro 3 feels unstable, 

682
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:56,800
but compared to the vapor fly 3,
feels less stable. 

683
00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:58,099
Got it. 
It's funny. 

684
00:36:58,099 --> 00:37:01,099
I have the the opposite 
experience where I think it's 

685
00:37:01,099 --> 00:37:02,699
because of the way the mid-foot 
setup. 

686
00:37:02,699 --> 00:37:07,400
And The Wider soul that that the
Endorphin Pro 3 fuels, really 

687
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,400
bouncy like the overall feel. 
When I put that thing on, I have

688
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,800
a my parents. 
Miles on them. 

689
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,099
So they're a little more subdued
now. 

690
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,599
But when I first put it on, I 
was like, whoa, this is really 

691
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,800
bouncy and I'm kind of afraid to
use this. 

692
00:37:20,099 --> 00:37:22,500
It was one of those shoes are 
like really kept it for specific

693
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:24,800
things mostly because it would 
just ruin other shoes which is 

694
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,800
exactly what the original 
vaporfi did too. 

695
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:32,000
As I broke it in. 
I found that the side wall and 

696
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,699
the rear foot and mid-foot 
worked better for me, in terms 

697
00:37:36,699 --> 00:37:41,199
of that stability aspect, but I 
can definitely see the forefoot.

698
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:45,599
NG a little bit different, with 
how soft and bouncy that shoe is

699
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,800
compared to the forefoot of the 
vapor fly where they've 

700
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,300
intentionally white it in that 
way, the contrast and thus a 

701
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:53,599
little bit firmer, I would have 
I think I would definitely agree

702
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,699
with you on the forefoot for 
sure. 

703
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:59,099
Yeah, I this is my second pair 
of endorphin, Pro 3 and the 

704
00:37:59,099 --> 00:38:02,699
original pair. 
I noticed that I had actually 

705
00:38:02,699 --> 00:38:07,199
ripped the overlay on the 
lateral forefoot. 

706
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:10,199
Yeah. 
And that pair is so much more 

707
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:13,900
comfortable for me. 
This new pair and I've really 

708
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:19,099
considered this cutting this 
overlay just see, but I think 

709
00:38:19,099 --> 00:38:23,699
that the Endorphin Pro 3 doesn't
work as well for my issue of 

710
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,099
having trouble loading my first.
MTP like, if I haven't kept up 

711
00:38:28,099 --> 00:38:31,000
on my exercises, if I haven't 
kept up on using the mobile 

712
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,599
board, I definitely feel like 
I'm more likely to push off at 

713
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:37,900
my letter or four foot in the 
Endorphin Pro 3. 

714
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:42,599
Whereas I The Vapor flow. 
It just doesn't feel that way at

715
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:45,099
all to me. 
It's probably the shape of the 

716
00:38:45,107 --> 00:38:48,599
plate and then the foam feeling 
softer in the Endorphin, Pro 3. 

717
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,699
So that's interesting. 
I uh I know you don't have. 

718
00:38:51,699 --> 00:38:53,400
Yeah, yeah. 
One other thing I think is 

719
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,800
different is the toes. 
Are the forefoot rocker in the 

720
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,300
end? 
Organ for three starts a lot 

721
00:38:58,300 --> 00:38:59,800
earlier. 
Wait. 

722
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,900
Yeah, bit more aggressive. 
How about the meta speed Sky 

723
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:05,900
plus? 
I have a I have a large number 

724
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:09,199
of miles on the I know you tried
those and they were like no 

725
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:11,099
thank you. 
It's just how much do you 

726
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:13,900
Verdict. 
I loved that shoe but it was too

727
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:16,000
low volume in the toe box for 
me. 

728
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000
So I was getting a ton of 
pressure on my toes but I think 

729
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:23,800
if they did to that shoe, what 
Nike did to the vapor fly? 

730
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,400
Were the upper kind of has more 
structure. 

731
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,900
So it's it's a little higher 
above your foot. 

732
00:39:29,099 --> 00:39:33,800
I think the biomechanics of that
shoe or the geometry of the shoe

733
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,500
would work really nicely with 
but my biomechanics but I just 

734
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:39,900
couldn't take the low volume 
upper. 

735
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,000
Yeah, it was interesting. 
Only The Meta speed Sky+ was the

736
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,400
shoe that I've kind of first 
thought of with the vapor fly in

737
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,900
terms of the changes because the
original motor speeds guy was 

738
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,500
very bouncy and a bit of a, it 
was a, I really enjoyed that. 

739
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,199
Obviously I was the psycho that 
took it on a trail race and I 

740
00:39:55,207 --> 00:39:57,599
really shouldn't have done that.
I was fine. 

741
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,699
I actually injured my achilles a
day after the race because I was

742
00:40:00,699 --> 00:40:02,500
felt so good. 
I wouldn't did hill repeats. 

743
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:06,699
Which that was the very me but 
also one of the dummer things 

744
00:40:06,699 --> 00:40:09,000
I've done I was like, yeah, I 
was walking back and like I 

745
00:40:09,099 --> 00:40:10,900
learned that. 
That was totally my fault, 

746
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:13,000
though. 
Dumbest thing you do it, he'll I

747
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,400
ran through it anyway, but yeah.
Just the the new meta speed Sky 

748
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,300
plus it's a bit firmer. 
It didn't feel as bouncy as the 

749
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:25,699
original, but it still sits 
weird and and Dustin Juber did 

750
00:40:25,699 --> 00:40:28,800
some tested this and found that 
it was just as good 

751
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:32,300
approximately as the original, 
it just feels firmer. 

752
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:35,900
So that kind of made me think of
the vapor fly but it's much 

753
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:39,699
lower volume. 
I the heel is similar in terms 

754
00:40:39,699 --> 00:40:43,099
of, I found the He'll mid-foot 
to be very unstable. 

755
00:40:43,099 --> 00:40:47,900
I probably would still choose 
the vapor Fly Over The Meta 

756
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:50,300
speed Sky+. 
Just because for me personally I

757
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:53,099
still feel like and I've said 
this before the middle speed Sky

758
00:40:53,099 --> 00:40:56,400
plus, if you have issues going 
too far, lateral the amount of 

759
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,699
solar flare laterally is going 
to be a great shoe because it 

760
00:40:58,699 --> 00:41:00,500
does push you on. 
There's a lot of media bias 

761
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:04,500
where the vaporfi for me is just
a little that heals a little 

762
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:06,699
unstable. 
Just both directions for me 

763
00:41:06,699 --> 00:41:09,099
personally and all of them 
medicine, beads guys, were 

764
00:41:09,099 --> 00:41:11,599
immediately Buys, so I would 
personally pick the vapor Why, 

765
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,099
but it's still kind of reminded 
me of that shoe. 

766
00:41:14,099 --> 00:41:16,500
Interesting that. 
Yeah, because they're very 

767
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,500
different shoes. 
They're very different shoes, 

768
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:22,300
but that's kind of what it 
reminded me of a little bit 

769
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:23,699
weird. 
Talk about the alphabet, how 

770
00:41:23,699 --> 00:41:26,400
about? 
Let's, let's throw one at like 

771
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,000
really weird contrasting shoe, 
the SC Elite. 

772
00:41:30,099 --> 00:41:33,699
Oh yeah. 
So for me, the yseali is the 

773
00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:37,400
super show you that like, I 
would actually take on a long, 

774
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,900
easy run and I actually did that
a few weeks ago. 

775
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:46,500
It's it's not so aggressive that
it feels weird running slow in 

776
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,500
it. 
And so if you have a long run 

777
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:53,099
where you've got some intervals,
but like a long warm up and cool

778
00:41:53,099 --> 00:41:56,300
down, it it's comfortable. 
It doesn't hurt your feet. 

779
00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:58,500
It doesn't feel weird running 
slow in it. 

780
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,000
I would to here's the A/C Elite 
V3. 

781
00:42:07,099 --> 00:42:11,500
Landings are definitely softer 
in the new balance as compared 

782
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:16,300
to the vapor fly the toe spring.
In this shoe doesn't feel super 

783
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:21,000
aggressive either. 
And that's also part of why it 

784
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:26,000
feels good running at slower. 
Pace has the upper of the SC. 

785
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,500
Elite is a little bit weird. 
I know a lot of people complain 

786
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:36,000
about like, where the laces sit 
in relation to the ankle I do. 

787
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:40,699
Get a lot of irritation there. 
The main problem I had with the 

788
00:42:40,699 --> 00:42:44,199
scl eat was the insole came 
unglued during one of my 

789
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:48,199
workouts and it creeped all the 
way up the back of the heel 

790
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:51,400
counter and that was very 
uncomfortable and it wouldn't 

791
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,500
know you pulled the kids. 
Okay. 

792
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:54,099
Yeah. 
How did that happen to him? 

793
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,800
Yeah it was this is long before 
the owl flies. 

794
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,500
By think it was a pair of 
streaks that he had were the 

795
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:02,900
insole slipped and he kept 
running and it was like you 

796
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:04,500
could see it hanging out, the 
Yale. 

797
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:09,199
It was from I want to say, like,
2004. 

798
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:10,000
Somebody? 
Correct me on. 

799
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,300
This is like 2014's long before 
Vapor Flies done but yeah, that 

800
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,500
was the famous incident. 
Oh yeah. 

801
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:19,000
Well, yeah. 
So, you know, that's probably 

802
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,099
like a fluke thing but I'm glad 
I wasn't using it in a race when

803
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:24,699
that happened. 
Yeah, I went and got it, glued 

804
00:43:24,699 --> 00:43:29,900
back in and now it's fine. 
But as far as comparing the two 

805
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:33,599
shoes, your they're more 
opposite than similar. 

806
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,699
Yeah, it's almost like comparing
a trainer. 

807
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:39,900
Yeah, yeah. 
And I would say the the SC Elite

808
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,099
the upper is kind of 
problematic, and I had some 

809
00:43:42,099 --> 00:43:45,099
slippage of the insole as well, 
but locking down, the upper was 

810
00:43:45,099 --> 00:43:47,900
really hard and like the 
previous version, I found the 

811
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:50,900
soul, it's super bouncy, it just
doesn't respond fast enough. 

812
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:56,099
So long runs are great, maybe 
some longer effort some longer 

813
00:43:56,099 --> 00:44:00,099
like intervals, stuff like that 
but racing I personally wouldn't

814
00:44:00,099 --> 00:44:01,500
wouldn't use it. 
I don't feel like it's 

815
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:03,599
aggressive enough and doesn't 
lock down enough. 

816
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,900
I can see it's one of those 
shoes where I think for a newer 

817
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:08,699
Runner who's just Getting into 
the stuff and goes what I want 

818
00:44:08,699 --> 00:44:10,900
to try a super shoe, but I'm 
afraid of how aggressive they 

819
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:13,300
are. 
That would probably be the SC L 

820
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:16,099
would be one of the bike. 
This is a great safe option just

821
00:44:16,099 --> 00:44:20,000
to try the vapor fly is still 
your tried and true classic 

822
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Super Shoe but it can be a 
little bit more aggressive and 

823
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,400
you might want to have a bit 
more experience first before, 

824
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,400
something like that. 
But especially as a newer 

825
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,800
Runner, the SC Elite is 
definitely more. 

826
00:44:33,099 --> 00:44:36,699
People in New Balance gonna hate
me if I call it tame, but it's 

827
00:44:36,699 --> 00:44:40,300
more approachable. 
Maybe is the better term for 

828
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:43,199
like training and stuff like 
that, where it's just can do 

829
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:47,599
that better. 
I don't know the other other 

830
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,599
shoe I would compare it to that.
It's not similar to it. 

831
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:54,699
All would be the hookah rocket X
and the only reason I'm doing 

832
00:44:54,699 --> 00:44:57,300
that is because I did a race in 
the rocket X and then put the 

833
00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:00,000
vapor fly three on right 
afterwards and it was night and 

834
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
day. 
So first off, obviously, It the 

835
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,699
rocket X2 is heavier. 
I found the heel to be obviously

836
00:45:07,699 --> 00:45:10,300
he'll and mid-foot to be much 
more stable and works really 

837
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:13,400
well for mechanics. 
The rocket X2 also feels super 

838
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,000
low Drop the a millimeter drop 
is actually fairly noticeable 

839
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,800
and comfortable for me in the 
vapor fly. 

840
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:21,699
The rocket X2 is super low Drop 
and I know this is a marathon 

841
00:45:21,699 --> 00:45:23,699
shoe. 
I would not use it for Marathon.

842
00:45:23,699 --> 00:45:26,599
I personally would stuck with 
stick to like 5K to maybe half 

843
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:28,900
marathon. 
I don't think I have the calf 

844
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,400
strength to take this to a 
marathon and kudos for those who

845
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,099
do Do whereas yeah, the vapor 
fly does feel like a more 

846
00:45:35,099 --> 00:45:36,699
versatile shoe shoe a little 
bit. 

847
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,199
Not so stable in the heel but 
the cushioning it feels like it 

848
00:45:41,207 --> 00:45:44,699
could handle a little bit more 
and it was easier for me to do 

849
00:45:44,699 --> 00:45:46,300
easier efforts not that you 
should do this. 

850
00:45:46,699 --> 00:45:49,300
In the vapor fly verse of the 
rocket X was like, oh, I want to

851
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:52,000
go all the time which is weird 
because if they were five know, 

852
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,699
it feels noticeably lighter. 
And the uppers are night and 

853
00:45:54,699 --> 00:45:57,400
day. 
The rocket X2 volume is super 

854
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,800
low. 
The volume of the vapor fly 

855
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,699
feels much more comfortable. 
In the forefoot. 

856
00:46:03,099 --> 00:46:05,900
And I don't know if you ever had
this, the rocket X2 upper like 

857
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:10,000
it gets like when I run in it, 
like a hard workout. 

858
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000
It's like the upper sweats and 
it's like this weird like 

859
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,099
material comes out and I wipe 
it, it's like almost looks like 

860
00:46:16,099 --> 00:46:19,400
soap a long and I know it's not 
for my socks because I've also 

861
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,099
were in this sockless, which was
not good. 

862
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,099
So kind of like sweats maybe the
shoes alive, I don't know, or 

863
00:46:27,099 --> 00:46:28,300
there's something wrong with my 
feet. 

864
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:31,400
I have no idea, but it only 
happens in that show. 

865
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,500
So very interesting. 
What is the material? 

866
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:39,699
Is it like a mesh or like? 
Yeah it's a light mesh. 

867
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,800
Yeah, I don't know. 
Something's going to comment 

868
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,000
like that's a terrible pathology
you need a check. 

869
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:51,099
Yeah you have a horrible foot 
skin condition, met and awesome.

870
00:46:52,099 --> 00:46:56,199
I've never run in the rocket X2,
I've yet to find a Hoka that the

871
00:46:56,199 --> 00:47:00,699
sidewalls, don't bother my feet.
So yeah someday hopefully but 

872
00:47:01,699 --> 00:47:05,500
for those listening I did do I 
forget where it was a discussion

873
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:08,800
on sidewalls and stability of 
what will work for people and 

874
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,500
what will not. 
That's a great example of I love

875
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:13,000
side walls, but other people 
side. 

876
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,500
Walls will just rip your skin 
apart or like, bother your feet.

877
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,500
So that's really person 
dependent. 

878
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:25,099
So, any other shoes you would 
compare, the Nike Vapor fly. 32,

879
00:47:25,699 --> 00:47:28,699
I think we've talked about the 
ones that it's most similar to 

880
00:47:28,699 --> 00:47:32,099
was. 
Yeah, yeah, one thing that I 

881
00:47:32,099 --> 00:47:36,099
thought of but I haven't put a 
ton of miles on this year so I 

882
00:47:36,099 --> 00:47:38,699
was hesitant to say it, but I 
think you can probably add more 

883
00:47:40,099 --> 00:47:41,800
the Mizuno. 
Hellion Pro. 

884
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,099
It feels similar. 
Now this is probably very 

885
00:47:47,099 --> 00:47:50,000
specific to people who are not 
rear foot Strikers. 

886
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,300
But for me, yeah, landing on the
mid-foot of the Rebellion Pro 

887
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:59,699
does feel somewhat similar to 
The Vapor fly three in terms of 

888
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:06,000
How firm it feels. 
And in terms of how you are like

889
00:48:06,099 --> 00:48:11,699
immediately propelled forward, 
yeah, I would kind of agree on 

890
00:48:11,699 --> 00:48:15,000
that but I think These are in 
mind with your to dip from as a 

891
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,000
rear foot structure. 
These are two different, very 

892
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,900
different shoes, whereas The 
Vapor fly 3. 

893
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:21,599
It feels like it's kind of like 
efficiently. 

894
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,800
Takes you forward? 
Whereas this one you're like you

895
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,099
better? 
Hold on. 

896
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,699
Cuz like we're when I like 
especially when I hit right that

897
00:48:28,699 --> 00:48:32,199
pivot point I'm like whoa it 
feels kind of hard to catch. 

898
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:34,699
I think it feels similar to your
experience with the original 

899
00:48:34,699 --> 00:48:38,199
outf life where I would not do a
marathon and I'm sure a lot of 

900
00:48:38,207 --> 00:48:40,900
people would I would not do it 
marathon in the Rebellion Pro 

901
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:42,500
because I would not be able to 
control it. 

902
00:48:42,699 --> 00:48:48,900
Mmm for that long but for like 
10K half, I could definitely see

903
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:52,099
myself utilizing that but the 
vapor flow I think is a more 

904
00:48:52,099 --> 00:48:56,800
versatile shoe where would be 
able to handle a 5K and be 

905
00:48:57,099 --> 00:49:00,599
controllable relatively for a 
marathon? 

906
00:49:01,099 --> 00:49:03,500
Whereas but I can see where 
you're going with that in terms 

907
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:06,599
of the feel at the mid-foot. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

908
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:09,400
Yeah, I think you know, whenever
you and I talked about cheers, 

909
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,099
we often have different 
experiences in them just because

910
00:49:12,099 --> 00:49:15,199
I totally do Landing mechanics 
are so different, but that's an 

911
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:16,900
important thing for our 
listeners. 

912
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:22,699
To keep in mind, is that if One 
reviewer hates a shoe that could

913
00:49:22,699 --> 00:49:26,300
be well, of course it is. 
It's because of their personal 

914
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:28,599
running Style by mechanics 
injury history. 

915
00:49:28,699 --> 00:49:31,000
Yeah. 
So it's really helpful to figure

916
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,900
out which reviewers have 
mechanics and issues similar to 

917
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:40,000
yours or which reviewer likes 
other shoes that you like right?

918
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,800
Because then that might make 
their Feedback more valid for 

919
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,199
you makes me want to see if I 
can find you a pair of the 

920
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:50,599
Underarmor velocity at leat 
because I was not super 

921
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:52,699
impressed by that but I feel 
like you might load load that 

922
00:49:52,699 --> 00:49:54,900
shoe better so we'll have to 
see. 

923
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,800
Yeah, I'll try it. 
Any any final thoughts you would

924
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,000
have? 
As I keep going off topic on the

925
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,000
vapor fly three. 
I would say, if anyone out there

926
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,800
has enjoyed running in the one 
and two, you'll probably enjoy 

927
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,300
running in the three. 
It's a great update for me. 

928
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:14,400
It's the best one yet. 
Yeah, I would say, definitely in

929
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,900
terms of the upper, for sure the
traction on the forefoot, 

930
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:22,599
definitely with the Nubs is much
better, but it's always been 

931
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:26,199
fairly good. 
The slightly firmer thing? 

932
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:28,300
Does I think work? 
It will break in. 

933
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:30,900
So don't panic. 
If you are like us and you try 

934
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:32,699
and you're like, whoa, this 
doesn't feel the same. 

935
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,300
It will break in, it'll still 
move. 

936
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:38,900
I've noticed that my like times 
improvement from between easy 

937
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:41,400
versus harder runs or still just
as good. 

938
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:44,400
I think it makes it It better 
for those who need a teeny bit 

939
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,000
of four-foot guidance. 
I think the changes work really 

940
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,900
really well. 
It's not a stability shoe if you

941
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:52,000
have heel and mid-foot stability
needs still, not going to work 

942
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,900
for you. 
But those some of the changes in

943
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:57,300
the forefoot actually work 
really well and I think this is 

944
00:50:57,300 --> 00:51:00,900
a great update as continue now 
taking its pot back as the 

945
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,599
lightest Super Shoe. 
I think it's great. 

946
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,599
I think it's a great update and 
I'm curious to see what they 

947
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,800
continue doing. 
I will try to get some miles on 

948
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,199
this and I promise I will get a 
5K in this and just see what 

949
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:13,900
happens. 
If I break my ankles, I'm just 

950
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:15,099
kidding. 
I'm not gonna break my ankles. 

951
00:51:15,699 --> 00:51:18,699
Just choose a course. 
That's just a straight shot 

952
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,400
point-to-point. 
No turns. 

953
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,000
Which no. 
I'm just going to do another 

954
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,599
Trail race and see what happens.
Oh, good idea. 

955
00:51:24,699 --> 00:51:27,599
It's the same. 
Yeah, that's exactly the same 

956
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:28,900
environment. 
Should be fine. 

957
00:51:29,699 --> 00:51:31,199
Awesome. 
Anything else? 

958
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,900
No, I think that's it. 
Thanks so much for joining me. 

959
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:36,699
Matt. 
And yeah, talking about our new 

960
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,300
racing shoe that we've been 
testing. 

961
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,599
Yeah, it's been fun. 
We got a lot of stuff at this. 

962
00:51:42,699 --> 00:51:45,500
Is what's really, really fun as 
the summer, the beginning of the

963
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:49,599
summer, usually things are just 
a bit quiet, but there is some 

964
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:53,300
cool shoes coming out that some 
of there's some very classic 

965
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:55,500
ones just some stuff from Adidas
that were really, really excited

966
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:57,900
for we haven't gotten yet but 
we'll see. 

967
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:01,699
What comes there this summer 
like like mid to late Summers, 

968
00:52:01,699 --> 00:52:03,699
weren't a lot of stuff drops, so
stay tuned. 

969
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:07,199
We always are updating stuff. 
We've always got new podcast 

970
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:09,599
coming out, we always have new 
shoe reviews coming out and if I

971
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:11,199
if we aren't getting see this 
stuff, I promise. 

972
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:13,400
I'm looking for it in various 
forms to That to us. 

973
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:16,900
We have some really cool 
interviews coming up. 

974
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:19,000
We did I just got off the phone 
with a couple people this 

975
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,400
morning that I'm very excited 
for that. 

976
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,300
I think we'll take our 
exploration of Footwear 

977
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:27,599
developments in a new and very 
exciting. 

978
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,900
Turn some other guests that are 
coming back on that were equally

979
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,000
excited for just in terms of 
helping people learn what the 

980
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,099
industry looks like, what goes 
into the stuff and being able to

981
00:52:37,099 --> 00:52:39,000
educate you more on your own by 
mechanics. 

982
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:42,500
You can find out a lot more 
about us, we always have stuff. 

983
00:52:42,699 --> 00:52:45,400
Coming out on the various social
media channels, we have B, it 

984
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,599
obviously, wherever you're 
listening to on this, right? 

985
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,199
Be it Spotify, iTunes for 
podcast, be it YouTube where we 

986
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:55,000
put up stuff constantly and of 
course the website and of 

987
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,800
course, as always, I make fun of
Bach. 

988
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:59,400
Look at LinkedIn, we have a 
surprisingly, huge follow it. 

989
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,099
Not surprisingly, I know Buck a 
large following and Linkedin and

990
00:53:03,099 --> 00:53:05,000
any other platform. 
You can think of where there 

991
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:08,800
feel free always to reach out, 
comment below, think about that 

992
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,099
subjective and we hope you have 
a great summer.